Trying to understand the Monoprice Delta Pro
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ธ.ค. 2018
- Monoprice are selling the Delta Pro as a variant of their sub $200 "Delta Mini" - and that makes little, yet surprisingly much sense. Find out how this $1299 3D printer stacks up and why I'm having trouble understanding it as a product.
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4:30 Tom is finally building a MPCNC! Nice!
I thought those parts looked kinda burly! Glad to see the updated parts, not the older ones.
First thing I noticed!
well, not anymore
Great review Tom. THIS is why I love your videos. It is so much more than just a review of feature lists, and look at prints - you delve into the details - the WHY of the machine. They WAY it may or may not stack up. Thanks again for such high quality output.
LOL, "You guys know which one I'm talking about." Love it, thanks for the review Tom. Very well done as always.
lmaoo Right!
I love your reviews. You look at it from so many perspectives. It adds so much to your credibility.
Best 3DP reviews on youtube is back!
This review was incredibly thorough! I didn't expect to learn so much about printers in a review about a delta
Awesome, that was the goal!
Loving how honest this review is (and you other ones too). Thanks for being awesome Tom ;)
Your expectations are not "off", Tom. You are so right about this unit missing so many things that should be standard and expected, most especially at this price point, they should be above and beyond. Still, a pretty darn sexy looking machine, and it's got potential.
Wait until you see the Ultimaker printers, how much they cost, their proprietary hardware, having to pay for every single upgrade, how many features they have in comparison to similar priced models, etc. and their most loved feature: they don't have direct customer support on a printer that costs over 2 grand.
Thank you for making another video about 3D printer hardware, it feels like a long time and I've missed this kind of content from you.
A well rounded review.. many many thanks
A great review Thomas, thank you!
Happy New Year! Thanks for all the content in 2018!
When you have a printer for 400 bucks that is better than a printer for $1300
STONKS ↗
1:25 The build voulume cannot get taller, because to move the nozzle to the side, one or more arms must lower, moving the nozzle to the side AND down. So technically the build volume is a cylinder with a cone on top.
Glad to see reviews back, good coverage Tom!
Good video as always bro !
Watching you from Flint Michigan
I enjoyed your review and found the info you provided very helpful. Thank you!
So its basically a solid mechanical starting point to building a better unit, after tossing more money at it.
Its sad really that we were at this point ~ 2 years ago and nothing has changed much.
Thanks for the review and happy holidays.
Cheers,
- Eddy
Imagine spending $1300 and getting the same extruder as an Ender 3
Ender 3 still has a better drive gear XD.
this is now 700 usd. a steal
@@ggs1019 599.99 now.
My LK4 Pro (Ender 3's less popular cousin) was $180, and it has the same type of extruder, only slightly smaller build area (220x220x250), and a touchscreen that doesn't suck.
Auto-leveling is nice, but I'm pretty sure for the $1120 difference, I could put some servos on the build plate adjustment knobs, add a small contact switch beside the nozzle, and modify the firmware to add that feature. I could upgrade to an all-metal direct drive extruder too. And add ruby nozzle. And a heated enclosure. And a wifi enabled camera.
And I'd still have enough budget to buy a few rolls of filament.
@@Nazarim $499 now
Great informative review and a top quality video, nice!
Nice review! Thank you Tom. Speaking of delta machines, you should check WASP Delta Printers (especially the 2040 and the 2040 turbo). They're pricey, but work great. I've used an old version of the 2040 at work and I think they're great machines with a unique "suspended" bowden solution. Oh, the "Turbo" prints REALLY fast.
I had no idea how massive this printer is! Wow, it’s crazy!
- Oooh, nice printer!
- ...closed source...
- Goodbye
Honestly tho, I don't see reason why closed source tech is despised. Sure it will limit 3rd party modification, but unless the stock units sucks so bad, I don't see reason why 3rd party customization is required. Besides, closed source would give some time for the company to continue before some chinese companies eventually copy it and sell it dirt cheap because they barely spend time on development and use lower grade components.
Actually when I watch video again, it doesn't seem to be that bad. As Thomas said, it can read normal G-code from USB (I didn't notice that at first), which is pretty nice :)
On the other side, "there may be improvements in future" nicely sums up what I think about closed source. They can improve their product, but they can also let it as it is or even make many things much worse with update. And if they really f**k it up, maybe you won't be even allowed to switch back to older version which worked better. When buying something closed source, you should ask yourself if you're happy with actual state, because there might be no updates at all since you buy it. You can never be sure.
About Chinese companies - it will be cheaper and much simpler to just use board from different printer they already produce, just change firmware, maybe make some test prints to tune values on one printer and then just copy it to all of them. And that's all. It's always three motors for movement, one for extruder and two heating zones. I don't say there can't be improvements in electronics, but main challenge is in hardware that literary holds everything together. If you make robust printer where everything sits perfectly where it should, then it will probably work at first try with no extra tuning.
In my opinion, if they will struggle with something while trying to copy existing printer, it will be whole mechanics and keeping it together. Whole electronics boards are open source and many of them are produced in China, so that is really no problem for them.
@@Envinite A part of this is because 3dprinting is a growing field/hobby and no one has a printer that ticks every box. Even the prusa, which has massive love, has its flaws. The difference is next week when someone suddenly discovers trinamic drivers, or that x motor is better than y, closed source is at a disadvantage.
Customers can look at the new tech and decide if they want it. New tech developers can build to a known set of standards and have a market for their device. If Im happy with the machine and don't need the new tech I keep it as is.
A closed source company is then forced to develop fixes to their problems that will only work on their own product, for problems they developed in the first place. New tech will have to be developed as a one off, AND customers have to wait for them to decide its worth and to make it before its available. Not a very nimble option.
When you go with closed source, when the community moves on or your company simply decides not to make printers anymore, you're stuck. Get yourself a new printer. Everyone else can adapt and improve.
Yeah open source has been so extremely important for my prusa /s
Love the review! What configuration did you use in sli3er for this printer?
Hooray for Captions!
Honest review. Thanks a lot.
Top review. thank you for that.
Nice video Tom (as always), are you finally going to be reviewing the MPCNC? See the center section print test at 4:31
Hello! Cool video!! Are you always near the printer, when you printing? Do you use a mask or something alse to not breathe harmful vapors?
I still think I’m going to pick one up after Christmas, it does the things I want it to do, and I will pick up an E3d hot end once they are available
I am printing an mpcnc over christmas as well :)
Great video Tom, interesting to hear your thoughts on this printer. You should have a look at the Trilab DeltiQ L. It’s an amazing delta. Could be the best delta I’ve ever used. I think you’d like it! I’ve been using Kisslicer to on the Trilab too. It’s pretty good.
Great video, as usual ;) I wonder if you could make a video or even just a few pics of your printing/electronic/mechanic accessories that are visible at 11:17 I use a very similar storage system and I am always looking for some inspiration of what to get after christmas :) Thanks for your great work!
Lerdge user here yeah same first impressions but after a day or so you'll get used to it and love it! Ow it's optional to put an encoder knob beside the LCD board if you dont like the Touch screen at all.
That's very similar to my experience with my Monoprice select mini, V1. It gets the job done, costs the right price, but lacks finished engineering and creature comforts. If they do come out with a V2, cleaning up the UI, and re-designing the extruder and hot end would be the top two things.
Thank you Mr Thomas
Hey Thomas - any chance you’d be reviewing a less expensive delta? I was thinking of adding a FLSUN Q5 to my mk3, but am not even sure if it’s worth the money. They seem well reviewed, but I’d be interested in hearing your opinion.
The top clearance is deceptive. For the head to move towards one of the struts, the minimum radius would move the head down. When I first saw it, it looked huge but the print volume as you said it is about the same as my A1 (which is not to say that there are not other benefits or good reasons to do it that way but...)
Thom, I am curious, have you ever tried Klipper Firmware? What are your thoughts on it?
Tom, where to get your pullover from? Nice review guy!
I remember the Tevo little monster was priced similarly as well. You can get Deltas for a fraction of the price with just as much features these days- that's how much 3d technology has moved in 2 years.
Hi Tom, thanks so much for your educative and informative videos. I have enjoyed the latest videos with E3D and Adrian Bowyer a lot !! More of that please. I wonder is there a chance you could do a video about the RailCore II 300ZL ? I have seen a very short non detailed thing on 3D Printing Nerd That machine looks like it has the potential to become a reference for the next generation of home used 3D printers. Many similarities to E3D's "budget does not matter" toy with the tool changer..... Thanks, Jan.
are these parts you listed an upgrade to the stock parts that give better performance?
A bit off the video's topic, but what do you think about the Slice Engineering Mosquito hot end?
Thanks Tom for the review....As long as there are closed siystems in reference to firmware, there is no way to buy such thngs.
I have a few printers, which have Marlin on it, and that is how it should be.
ABL :-) yes I use exactly that „leveler“ for all my printers. Only disadvantage, everything has to be cold....
But can be easily integrated within Marlin
And now it's 2020 and the Monoprice Delta Pro is currently on sale for $ 450 / € 425. So I bought one, because at this price, it's very attractive. My machine doesn't have issues with pause/resume - the 4 times I tried it, it worked perfectly as expected.
The weird "lights" menu item is still in the menu, and yeah it still does nothing as the printer doesn't have any lights equipped. I haven't tried the all-metal hot-end yet.
I've worked a bit around the bed heating "time-to-heat" issue by simply printing at 60 ºC bed temp rather than the stock setting (70 ºC).
I have the same extruder on mine as in this review, but mine does an ok job at extruding. I run at 120 mm/s speed and 2000 mm/s acceleration for my fastest print profile and it works fine with no under extrusion.
The fans are still too audible/noisy. I'm planning on changing the lot because if they would just shut up, this machine would be really silent.
A tip for all Monoprice Delta Pro buyers: Check the towers; are they loose? They can be easily tightened. Some users have experienced that one or more of their towers needed a bit of tightening. As a result, they experienced layer shifts. By tightening them, the layer shift issue is resolved (unless it's caused by something else, such as belt tightening - but I haven't seen anyone having that issue yet).
I don't know how this is a step down from a CR10 when this is worse at what it tries to do across the board.
I'm very thankful for the review nonetheless, it's still very interesting and informative.
not related to this video but, will you eventually make a Prusament review? :) cheers
Brilliant review. I thought "Looks Nice", listened to review then thought "Narrrr". Best 3D printer reviewer on the internet :-) !
what number of microstep dose it use with those lv8729 drivers? can u see any resolution improvement on delta system?
Tom. It looks like your Kiss settings are unlocked, fattening 1 layer is done by increasing bed roughness in printer profile.
Would you get this over the FlashForge Adventurer 3? Right now it's cost is down significantly.
How do you tighten the belts properly? I haven't anycubic predator (a large delta) and I can't get my belts tensioned correctly.
Power loss detection on the AnyCubic printers saved my prints twice in Cyprus during thunderstorms.
I did enjoy this video BUT that Sweater is the STAR of the show! Is that Pima Cotton?
Review the FLSUN QQ-S / pro it's so nice.
Have you checked out the SeeMeCNC Rostock Max V3.2 or the Artemis?
Please make a video on the Klipper Firmware! pretty much no reputable youtubers have really made a video discussing the pros & cons. I'm about to receive my V6 & BMG & plan on setting up Direct Drive on my CR-10S. I was looking into Marlin features like Linear Advance, S Curve Acceleration, & Junction Deviation But I've just come across the Klipper Firmware & discovered that the small detailed movements that i see the printer kind of pause on could be resolved by using Klipper... but does Klipper have any similar features to the ones I was looking at in Marlin?!
Tom sends the Delta Pro to E3D, it comes back a month later with a Duet Wifi, Panel Due screen, Delta Smart Effector and a V6.1 with an Ultinozzle, oh, and a Titan extruder of course :P
I know this video is a year old, but have you looked at firmware updates or swap outs? the mini delta does so I wouldn't be surprised if there are updates/ upgrades in from the interweb communities
Thanks for the review. I picked up a Monoprice Select Mini as my first 3D printer at a good price as it needed minor repair. I like it but I've been thinking of getting a delta as my next printer. I like the idea of a (partially) assembled unit. I could assemble one myself but I'd rather spend my time using the printer instead of having to debug it and fine tune it before I could use it effectively. While this printer is tempting it isn't (for me) at the current price. I'm instead looking at the FLSUN QQ although I've heard that it may only be using an 8-bit controller. It's cost is 1/3 this one for a 260mm dia. x 370mm print volume.
I just returned a QQ due to a few problems. Mine kept crashing the hot end into the bed on day one and burned the build plate all over. Touchscreen is nice and the build is good but if i tried another i would get the glass plate one they have now. I may have just got a bad one, who knows but it's to bad since i did like it otherwise. I just don't do second chances anymore, tierd of being burned. Got a cetus mk3 due to makers muse reviews and it's very very wierd with the odd build plate and closed slicer but it is very reliable and prints are great but you use a raft alot with the silly build plate. I wish my ender 3 would stop screwing up because i really like it the best.
@@carbide1968 Thanks for the comments about it. I have also just had it confirmed by FL Sun that they are using an 8-bit controller in this 3d printer. It's a shame that they still use an 8-bit controller with all the other nice things they have done in the design and manufacture of this printer.
Hi Thomas, I have trouble with Delta Pro. On the screen the temperature of nozzle is 0. But in reality they are warmup. Then they show notice "hotend temperature fault or power is insufficient". Did you confront same issue? Thank
It doesn't looked like you peeled off the protective plastic on the touch screen (evidenced by the bubbling). Is that making it hard to detect touches?
If it comes with that plastic stylus, it's a resistive touchscreen, so it would be prtty terrible no matter what they do to it. Resistive touch (with the exception of very high end ones for very specific purposes) belongs back in 2003.
you generally don't want to use a resistive screen with your fingers, and resistives are pretty good if you use a somewhat pointy thing.
tom can you help me.
I have this problem whit my printer.
Its plastic particals.
Never seen a topic about using hepa filters and closing in the 3d printer.
Its particals that is dangerus for longcancer.
and you do need space for the printer.
My qeustion to you is do you need special space.
Some have them in there living room others in the bedroom.
and other in there workshop.
witch ione do you prefer.
what kind of mesure do you have to take when building a sucktion system and hepa filters to build in the 3 d printer.
My last qeustion are 3d printer case complete system.
I hope you can help me how it is about the particals plastic thing.
Is it save!
Tom was the board in the machine a Lerdge K or a Lerdge X/S?
It's the 4-driver version, I believe the Lerdge X.
You definitely lost me at closed source board (and stylus) haha
yoooooo sending this to E3D? niiiice, so we could get a V6/Lite6 effector, or, even more interesting, a titan Aero effector, those high inductance motors in the base seem like they could deal with the increased weight
@thomas sanladerer Any chance you know what diameter the steel balls at the end of the arms are?
I laughed at the "Distance: 1(one) meter", I don't know why XD
Hey, have you tried changing the drive current for the extruder stepper on the extruder stepper driver?
I've had good results tweaking the stepper current after being assaulted by the "clicks" so many times on my sketchy Chinese machine.
Looking at the footage again, it looks like the drivers were not adjusted at all, which might be counterproductive. I did not adjust them.
@@MadeWithLayers For the price they definitely ought to come adjusted from the factory but maybe not.
they should just sell the hardwares without electronics, also with a good manual unassembled is acceptable. that would be a great machine
Indeed! Their electronics just suck.
Put a Duet WiFi on it and have it all including open source.
Hi Thomas, I just bought a Delta Pro, but forgot to order the filament. Do you recommed any filament brand, type, source for this printer?
I've tried mine with 3 different PLA filaments. It runs fine with the 3 brands I've tried - so I don't think this printer is very particular with filament. Just get a good quality with low thickness tolerance and I think you'll be fine :)
Whats that darker orange color? it looks close to the one KTM uses. Tried hard to find something dark to print bike parts with but what I have is still a hair too light.
The orange filament? That's Proto-pasta Tangerine Orange Metallic go.toms3d.org/ProtoTom
Great review tom, at first i said wow thats really nice and i want one. But you just saved me over a grand, tyvm.
Now that it is $699 USD at Monoprice, would you recommend this? I'm on the fence and just want to know.
Nuclear powered AND bringing mr. Steve Jobs back from the dead. holy ballz! Great quality review!
Technically, I'm buying hydropower-only electricity, but you're right - realistically, it's nuclear + solar pushing the electrons here.
Hey I am not judging. Nuclear is supposedly even more clean than my Danish Hippie Windmill power. But hydro+solar is pretty neat as well
Why aren't delta printers higher? I mean a lot of it's height is taken up by the arms, the base, etc. On a 1 meter tall machine you can easily have 60cm taken up by that. Why don't they make something like a 2 meter tall one so that the lost 60cm don't matter as much? (the mentioned sizes are arbitrary, but you got the point)
My point is that making a desktop sized delta printer defeats it's purpose of being a tall printer.
If you make it taller but not wider, it'll lose its rigidity. You really don't want a wobbly delta printer.
question: This machine just went on sale for 449.99 (62% off the original 1,199.99!), for this price would you recommend it? I am a beginner and would likely only be using PLA. Things I would be building are mechanical toys like automata and puppets.
I've had very little luck with auto leveling a lerdge k and bltouch.
Tom could you please do another video on DOLLY?
Hi Tomas, maybe you are interested in reviewing our Max-k 3D printer, we have made the official launch at CES 2019, it is the first printer to incorporate google assistant and astroprint, you can print and control the home
You should review the FLsun-qqs
Hey Tom! Can you please make a video covering converting a china 3d printer to Closed loop stepper motors. I see many advantages, no more losing steps. Faster, more accurate, higher quality prints. Things like what boards are capable of using closed loop. Can it be done on ender, Tevo, TronXY, ect. What firmware changes need to be done? And comparisons in prints. This is a big topic in the cnc router guys not not much out there for this topic on 3d printers. Also another video idea.. compare a smoothie VS duetWiFi. Dont see any videos for that. Thank you for your time! Cheers
Funny that you mentioned that line on the benchy becasuse i sliced a Benchy through Simplify3D last night and it turned out perfect but had that weird line through it lol i thought maybe it was just the STL i picked from Thingiverse maybe!!
Tom you're right, this is weird. This is half done. Closed source electronics -- if it was cheaper, it would be OK, just swap the extruder for a bondtech, hotend for an e3d and electronics for a duet, but that's too many parts to swap and throw away to make this a good machine -- it looks like good kinematics with garbage everything else at a non justifiable price point.
Atom 3D are working on the next 3D printer that will be available under their own brand, too - I know they're talking feedback very seriously, so you may just end up seeing those exact parts on the Atom 3!
It's strange that no one batted an eye when Ultimaker started doing it.
@@crimsun7186 pretty sure ultimaker Marlin is open source. This lerge board weirdness is a non starter.
@@kazolar Of course it is. But not because Ultimaker wants it, but because Marlin sort of forces you to put it on open hardware, as it's a bit hard for the Marlin guys to program firmware on hardware they can't have access to or reverse engineer due to it being proprietary.
@@crimsun7186 Ultimaker also developed Cura and made it open source, you can say it's due to them using underlying code from other open source slicers, but they do appear to believe in OS
Excellent professional review, but i will stick with my Anycubic Chiron 400x400x450 at a fraction of the price of the Delta without many of the shortcomings !
What’s the difference between auto leveling and semi auto leveling? The Chiron says it has semi auto leveling but it senses 25 points and sounds a lot like auto leveling.
Hello. help to solve the problem. on the DELTA printer, I print a circle, an oval. I changed belts, changed motors, changed pipes that hold the extruder, the table is calibrated. I can't print a smooth circle, thanks in advance
Have there been any updates to the firmware since you made this video?
The Delta Pro was a loaner unit, I've not followed development since.
DO you know the gcode or profile for cura ?
Ok, I know this is from 2018 but how did no one ask for that gorgeous bin file?! I haven't been able to find it but does anyone have any clue as to where I can get it?
Watching this at 4am
Can anybody tell me where to find that lovely bin model?
Watching Tom struggle with a resistive touch screen is hilarious. (Hint: Use a fingernail or a stylus)
KISSlicer: "Overall it produces good prints". Well, it's one of the best slicers ever. I've been using it sing 2013, and the results were always astonishing. In the other hand must say that the interface is not the best.
Is hairspray a good thing to stick on the bed
@thomas or anyone for that matter. Just got this printer, and i'm having the toughest time finding a Cura profile for it. Anyone have any luck?
Ditto. Did you ever find one Nick?
@@KK4CNM dude so weird you are just now commenting this, I literally just found a working simplify 3d profile 10 minutes ago. Join the Monoprice delta pro Facebook group. A few posts from the top. Remove G29
Sorry I'm a year late to the party. I've made my own printer profile and 2 well working printing profiles. I've only had it for a few days so there's still plenty of room for improvements, but if you still need a solid Cura profile (made for the currently latest version of Cura, version 4.8), I can send mine to you :)
So, how large are you making your MPCNC? :)
50x50cm work area 😎
@@MadeWithLayers Looking forward to some tips and tricks for our already built machines!
So, about 40x40cm working area? That should wind up being a pretty nice size. I built mine with right around a 65x55cm working area (translated from the inches it was built using.. haha). It's on its own roll around stand, but it might be taking up too much room at that size. I'm sure I'll like it when I get into bigger projects, though.
16:48 I don't know which one he is talking about. Can someone give me a hint?
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Yeah MPCNC coming !!!! wait to see that. By the way the bed leveling sensor is rubbish on the monoprice due to the price of the machine. Tevo Little Monster is cheaper and bigger and anyway you will have to go through some upgrades to make it perform better.