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People want "cool" motorcycles. Meaning, they need to stop building single cylinder bikes like the DR650, and start putting a parallel twin on every motorcycle, even the small 250cc trail bikes. This is 2024, and they have been building the exact same single cylinder trail bikes since 1984, that's 40 years with no real change. A parallel twin is smoother, but more importantly it sounds amazing and is incredibly exciting to drive. The fun factor of a small parallel twin is priceless.
First of all Z650rs is overpriced. Looks nice but shouldn't be over 8k. Cfmoto is just going to get bigger. New riders are going to get a 300nk/450nk/450ss as a beginner bike have a good experience and stay in the cfmoto ecosystem. The Big 4 need to open their eyes
Girlfriend got a 300nk demo bike for $2400, absolute steal. She loves it and is planning on upgrading to the 800nk in a few years. Cfmoto will soon be commanding the beginner category and carry customers into the intermediate zone
I bought a transalp 750 last year, which comes with nothing basically. After u add heated grips, fog lights, crash bars, luggage u are talking 13-14k, but for 10k I could have gotten the cfmoto, which is tubeless and has cruise control. Why did i pay 4k extra for...less? Only one reason, the brand name (and my stupidity perhaps) would I currently buy the transalp again over the cfmoto? hell no. I would buy the cf, have a better bike and spend 4k elsewhere
I’ve owned: A Yamaha vstar 650 A Harley 883 A Honda cb300f A Buell 1125r And now have A Suzuki drz400sm And A Kawasaki z650 I’m thinking of trading the kawi for a cfmoto ibex 450
@@wasawasablingbling i do the same thing with my 2024 triumph Daytona 660, iv been riding for 18+ years, ridden a lot of fast bikes (that to be honest u can't use all the power on the road), just the right amount of useable power, handles amazing, and looks great as well. I think CF moto bikes look awesome, however i have a mate that bought a cf moto 300ss (i believe that was the model), after 300km from new the cam chain tensioner completely crapped itself (putting me off after i researched that it was a common problem) :(
I was certainly skeptical in 2022 when I bought my first CFMOTO. After two years of ownership, I'm convinced. CFMOTO is here to stay and its market share will increase for the reasons you stated in your video. CFMOTO makes an excellent product at a value price. There will be other CFMOTOS in my future.
As someone looking in to grabbing a smaller displacement "fun bike" the Zx4-RR is extremely attractive...but that price is painful. If the 500SR sits at a nicer price point, I'd be disgustingly tempted to pick one up. (Assuming they even make it to the US)
Let's not forget insurance. The ZX4RR is an expensive little bike to insure. More than likely because it's in the supersport category. Let's see what the VOOM is classified as.
@@jerrymorales6501 First year insurance can be goofy; insurance companies generally don't have enough data to properly judge the risk of such bikes. For example, my Yamaha XSR900 was given high insurance premiums, and then dropped into the low risk category. The Suzuki GSX8S (which I was looking to buy) had low insurance for the first year, then doubled afterwards; apparently the GSX8S was being crashed in huge numbers. And Suzuki's GSXS1000, which is similar to a GSXR1000, has some of the lowest insurance rates in the motorcycle industry.
The problem with brands like Honda is that they're so big and wealthy they don't need to try very hard. They will intentionally hold out on us to keep their profit margins big. Whereas lesser-known CFMOTO needs to give it all they've got in order to compete. They give you more for less money.
I picked up an 800nk for me and a 300nk for my wife a couple weeks ago. One of the best purchases ive made. Less then 13k for 2 bikes, both are a blast to ride and seem as well put together as any of my japanese bikes have been.
CFMOTO from the looks of it is taking shots to the bow of the Big 4. Between the 500SR and 675SR-R there's one company they seem to have direct aim at, Kawasaki. Love the format by the way. Sometimes it's nice to have a sit down chat.
I feel like CFMOTO has Kawasaki in particular in their sights. It doesn't make sense to go after Honda, but Kawasaki's kind of an easy target. Especially since the 700s are using the Kawasaki motor.
You hit the nail on the head. Let’s be realistic. The A2 restriction much as I loathe the idea of restrictions in general is well thought out. 48 hp is more than enough to get a bike up to speed and break every speed limit in the country. The Honda 500 CC parallel twin engine is widely panned as one of the least exciting engines available in the small displacement market. As the owner of a CB 500 X I can attest that that statement is 100% accurate. Regardless, even with my 300 pound when fully geared ass on it, the bike easily hits 90 miles an hour according to the GPS. As riders we don’t actually need 100+ horsepower bikes. I own three of them, but I don’t kid myself that those bikes need 100 hp. Although it certainly does help the Goldwing get out of its own way at 900 pounds. For the majority of riders, just looking to get out on two wheels and have a good time with a bike that looks nice and has a reasonable degree of modern technology, the current offerings from the big four are actually pretty awful. Seriously why do I need to pay $15,000 to get into a bike with cruise control? The CLX 700 has cruise standard and you can buy last year‘s model all day long for 4500 bucks (5500 bucks out the door with all the dealer fees) I’m an old man so I could give a shit about phone integration, but I understand that people under the age of 50 do care about that kind of thing and all of CF Moto lineup offers it . Were I in the market for a new bike I have a really hard time, not walking into the nearest CF Moto dealership and giving them my money.
I would hope the major consideration of anyone buying a performance standard/supersport would be doing trackdays on it, and for that racetracks seem to suck the HP right out of most bikes. This is my list of bikes from the big four that I think are reasonable powerful, do OK on the track, have modern tech, and are reasonably priced. Yamaha MT09/XSR900 Kawasaki Z900 Suzuki GSX8S Suzuki GSXS1000 Honda CB650 All those bikes have ABS/TC, make decent power and can handle trackday duty. Also, all these bikes are fairly cheap to insure.
Spite, I bought a new CF Moto 650 Adventura two years ago. I have rolled up 25K miles on it. I'm on my third chain, 2nd set of sprockets, and my 3rd set of tires. It's a Timex.
@@equinox6851 i know a guy with a 650mt with 110k km, (about 63k miles). Only changed tires, oil, chain, sprockets and a ABS sensor (literally a 5 min job).
I am on my second CFMoto bike. The problem I have with CFMOTO is that as soon as I get a cool bike they bring out something cooler 😮 Looks like I will need to stay with them for a while now.
new fun news segments woo! i like. motorcycle gossip is always fun. so many people looked at the CF Moto papio design and begged for a full size version of it and CFMoto listened! they're listening to their consumers they're making those changes they're building the things that people want and they're not resting on their reputation to sell their motorcycles they're building cool shit and selling it because it's cool.
Lovely! Reminds me of my old GSXR400RR. Those days the 400cc supersports were literally downsized replicas of the 750 supersports. The trouble with these inline 4 pocket rockets was that there was absolutely nothing below 6000rpm, you had to keep the engine on the boil all the time. Plenty fun though.
Aprilia tried the V-twin route in the dirtbike segment many years ago. The cost was wild, the reliability was nil, the parts were expensive and hard to get, and the thing fell off the market quickly. SXV550.
Brand new rider this year and I was between a Ninja 500 and 650 until I found a CLX 700 for comparable pricing. So far no regrets on my purchase it’s such a handsome bike. With how much I’ve rode so far I probably would’ve been bored of the 500 by now
Cfmoto also have a cruiser with the 450 engine, the clc 450. Belt drive, usd fork, comes with bar end mirrors from factory, dual exhaust that sounds *chef’s kiss*.
really happy to see so many people like cfmoto,in China you can see cf's bikes everywhere and it's the most common brand.I've owned 3 cfmotos from 150nk,400nk and I just got a 800nk.since I get 800nk the only thing I use is street mode instead of sport mode because I think I don't need that fast,I need is just a cool bike but not a fast one.
I own a 450ss and shortly after gotca cbr600rr. Now i ride the 600 every day (power) but i love the 450 to death. Once the 675 comes out im getting that, but the 500 voom id LOVE for power to weight / size ratio for the mountains. CFMoto is a perfect thing we all needed
First time I came across your channel and I liked it. Short to the point and no BS, so I subscribed. I drive bikes for more than fifty years and yes they are too expensive, I don't pay more than 10.000 euro for a bike. Now I am looking at the new Triumph Speed 400 or the CFMoto NK450 or one of Voge.
I own a 4th gen 400nk, or version 4 as they call it here, its the last gen of the 400 line before they pulled the plug and introduced the 450 line.. and cfmoto hooked me, waiting for the 675RR to land here in the island and im going the cfmoto way again.. love ur content btw
I own a CFmoto 650GT and let me tell you: I'm very happy with my purchase ❤, I love that bike. Yes, it's a bit heavy to daily it but that's a bonus when when you're on the open road and it's also not that fast (fully loaded it will do 180kmh/111mph, without top case and bags 200kmh/124mph) but I wasn't looking for a super fast bike anyway! I wanted a mid-cc that I could daily, looked cool and that I could take for long rides comfortably! ...and I got it $60K MXN ($3,300-ish USD) cheaper than a Versys 650!!
I had a 700CL-X Heritage, and now have an 800NK Advanced (we get the upgraded model here in Australia) in my garage, alongside a VT750C Shadow. Been very happy with both CFMotos, despite 20 years of owning Japanese bikes. If they bring the 500SR over here, I'd seriously consider one as a commuter. Doubly so if they bring out a larger capacity version of it.
Living in Greece with way shorter commutes than almost anywhere else in the world, it actually makes more sense to get a smaller (under 900cc) bike and with that in mind I am all for getting a CFmoto which is much cheaper that the rest. Currently got my eyes on a 450 MT but that 500SR is a beauty.
My 450SS has honestly been one of the best purchases I've ever made. It has looks that gets people asking questions, a devilishly good exhaust note, flickable weight, and high tech user friendly features for the price. It is easily the best beginner bike on the market by far.
I was the first person in my country to buy Benelli TRK702x and I love it, amazing bike for super cheap. They even gave free aluminium set of panniers. I’d love to see you talk about smaller brands like Benelli, moto Moroni, cf moto ..
My wife has been riding a CFMoto 650NK for a few years now, and that bike has been great. It talked me into getting my 800NK when it was released. They're really good bikes so far.
When the dealer network is fleshed out, and if the reliability is high, they'll sell a ton of bikes. They see the hole in the market they can fill. Love the intro, caught the reference!
I agree with you that others in the industry ignore CFmoto (and a few other Chinese manufacturers) at their peril. I was considering a CFmoto nk450 and Ninja 400, but ended up going with a lightly used QJ srkr550 (aka Benellie Tornado 552R). While at first I was not completely happy with it, I did some minor adjustments and got the rear shock preload adjusted to my weight (220 lbs/100Kg), adjusted the clutch free play and lever position and removed the giant crash bars the previous owner put on for some more reasonable (smaller) drop bars. Now I’m very satisfied with the motorcycle. I got 60 hp, dual disk front brakes 270 crank, KYB (semi- adjustable) suspension for a lot less than a Ninja 400 and the same price was an nk450 in this market. While some minor adjustment (not repair) was needed, if you can buy a bike from a reputable dealer in your area that can access parts and take care of any small issues/adjustment, than I think a brand like CFmoto represents really good value. If there are no dealers or a way to get parts (if you’re handy at wrenching) then I would still go with a more established brand. At the very least, the traditional players have to watch their game to make sure they stay competitive.
hello spike, I think it's nice to have companies like CF MOTO that give a breath of freshness to motorcycles and not stick to one shape because then production is cheaper which, as you mentioned in the video, doesn't necessarily translate into price. Over the last few years, only KTM has been different than everyone else, and recently they joined it suzuki work the sharper features . I believe that CF MOTO, with its apricots and prices, will attract the attention of many motorcyclists who will want to have their motorcycle. 😎🤜🤛
Thanks Sprite for taking the time to show the statistics that Harley and other manufactures are ignoring and just failing to comprehend we motorcycle buyers are looking for quality reliable sub 10k bikes with decent quality and reliability. I really hope CF moto will continue to prosper and bring us a faired sport touring bike with cruise control and bullet proof engine.
Awesome comparison 👍 I knew a lil wee bit about the cf moto’s and the advertising push , but there is quite an exceptional value in these various 2 wheeled machines , but it’s good to see that they are not completely junky ❤❤❤
The styling on the Voom is awesome. It genuinely looks like a custom build. I just wish it was smaller capacity to keep the weight down so that flickability matches the looks.
After months of research for best bang for buck i went to get a 450ss as a first bike, I saw a clx 700 and fell in love and got it! 4 months and 2,000 miles later i feel like i couldn't have made a better choice for the under 5k price!
One of the pluses with CFMoto is I have heard their offices (in the US) actively seek out feedback so that they can make the changes that the consumer wants. That's part of the reason you've seen the rapid changes in offerings from them. They already know how to manufacture given their ATV experience and partnership with KTM. Now they are making the connection with consumers in order to grow. And yes price matters also. It doesn't really matter Where something is made when Honda is making their small bikes in Thailand, Brazil and India, and apparently have longevity issues with the small bikes. It's a global market now, so just get the best bang for your buck, whether it's Royal Enfield, CFMoto, or one of the more est brands... but be aware that many "established" brands are farming out bikes to other companies anyway (like BMW using TVS, and KTM partner with CFMoto).
I picked up a 2023 CL-X700 Heritage model with 1 mile out the door for $6k USD. I have put 7k miles on it since March and it has been pretty great. Stock cruise control, fully adjustable KYB front suspension, ABS, 3 ride modes, traction control that can be turned off in any ride mode, rear abs can be turned off in off-road mode. Not really any other bike that looks quite like it. Sadly it has been discontinued for the U.S. market for 2025. It seems the SS and NK lines sold much better here than the CL-X.
Think you nailed it. The euro and japanese makers think low cc = budget model. People have been screaming for an updated drz400 or a wr400r from Yamaha. Instead Suzuki updated the vstrom 650 to a 800 and doubled the price 🤦♂️
First off, love the Beau intro. But I did vote $10-13k in that poll. For me it’s the bikes that come equipped with what I want without sacrificing anything. I’d gladly spend what I bought my 21’ MT-09 for $9.5k for the MT-07 if it had they same suspension and brakes, slipper clutch, and upgraded swing arm with rear link for the shock. Maybe closer to 100hp to keep up with its competitors. While I do enjoy the electronic suite on my MT-09 I don’t need it with an MT-07 so they can go back to their previous lcd dash, no need for dbw w/ bi-directional qs. Just give me enough to ride it sporty in the mountains as a heavier human. The closest thing to that is the 790 with upgraded WP suspension which I’m pretty sure is as or more expensive than the current MT-09 that has everything as the 990, although that 990 really has my attention if I could trust the engine
It's important to factor in that whilst CF Moto are doing a great job of showing up the big brands when it comes to value, remember that KTM, CF MOTO, Husqvarna, MV Augusta and Gas Gas are all part of the same parent company - PIERER MOBILITY AG. This is a good move for a number of reasons; - They can share platforms, engines and components out a larger variety of parts bins - They can cross design languages - As they are owned by a single parent company, they can manage their diversification of the product easier and it not affect profits. - As they are a consolidated group of manufacturers they have a bigger economy of scale, which ultimately means they can pass savings (if they chose to), on to the customer. Its a clever strategy, whilst people see a single brand and may tie themselves to that brand for a time, they are actually supporting the other brands in the group as well. I will definitely be looking at the bigger output bikes CF Moto bring out in the future, in particular the new "Daytona" killer, - 675SR-R... what Triumph should've made.
On the speed question I assume the average motorcycle owner isn’t really interested in massive speeding tickets or running from the police. “Oh no! My bike can only go 110 MPH!!”
If this voom engine is anything like the ZX-4RR it's definitely not underpowered. They have over 70hp that's about the same as the CP2 engines from Yamaha, but they deliver it in the higher rev range. I absolutely loved the ZX-4RR. Awesome bike, the Voom is similar but with cooler design.
CF Moto been on my radar since they brought the 300ss to the states. Im still heavily considering buying a 450ss as my first sport bike. It looks cool as heck, has great specs and tech and a pretty reasonable price. Oh and if i get one ill definitely be switching to the GP shifting mode.
That being said, if I was at home in Canada the price of CFmotos make no sense and you can’t get QJ’s or Benellie motorcycles so I would definitely go with one of the Japanese big 4. I think you have to consider your local situation as a big part of your motorcycle purchase .
As a ninja 400 owner, can’t wait for CF Moto 450 MT to arrive. My wish was always to have a Versys with a little bit more power than the current 300’s. KLR’s single would be hard for my 80% freeway rides. Just need a comfortable, simple, cheap to mantain but keeping some fun into the mix. Used to own also the CBR 600F4i back in the days! Now rather keep my temptations to ride too fast at bay.
I'm rooting for CFMoto, and I am considering one in the near future though I'm concerned about the electronics, e.g. the menu buttons for the dashboard don't work, or the both blinkers stay on and cannot be turned off somehow. I've actually experienced this myself, and I just hope they fix this soon
feedback for Spite: shorter videos = good. I skip a lot of videos due to length. You can cover pretty much any single topic in depth within 8-12 minutes.
I really like the style of the 500 voom. Another reason to consider this bike, is hp/ weight ratio. For some particular situation, I have been riding a small 250 machine, ínstead of my other 1200 cc bikes. And even I miss the big power, the light bike makes me feel very secure, and in heavy traffic it’s the way to go. So maybe this new 4 cilínder 500, will have the best of both worlds
I ride a Svartpilen401 and I agree, I choose this bike because it's looks cool more than cold raisoning ^^ The Voom (very bad name though, ridicule) caught my eye, sadly I dont have a dealership in Toulouse - France, so I can't test it and have a trusted place for maintenance
CF Moto is putting all the other manufacturers on notice. I suspect the 450 MT is going to dominate, and the Voom is going to reignite the 4 cylinder small displacement class.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY like the Voom!!! The retro front end, the stubby little tail and the dual, beside the tail?, exhaust looks moto GP'ish....what a great little bike!!!
I do appreciate this conversational style video. I do agree that CF Moto bike looks interesting, and yes, we all don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of money on a bike. T-700 is a nice sweet spot for me
Nailed it. Saw the papio ss and had to have it. Is grom better in every way? By miles, obviously, except the way that swayed my decision. The papio ss looks sick and I love it. I spent 2k more for it when I was looking for a used grom. I'll probably get a voom as well.
You've got a ground loop somewhere; I can hear it. HumX eliminators and in-line ground loop isolators will do the trick. The latter is significantly more reasonable a solution.
I would love to know what you think of the 800MT/Ibex 800 Explore version, if you ever get your hands on one👍🏼 CFMoto are really making an impression with their motorcycles!
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i shall call it the VEE-HUNDRED M 💖
People want "cool" motorcycles. Meaning, they need to stop building single cylinder bikes like the DR650, and start putting a parallel twin on every motorcycle, even the small 250cc trail bikes. This is 2024, and they have been building the exact same single cylinder trail bikes since 1984, that's 40 years with no real change. A parallel twin is smoother, but more importantly it sounds amazing and is incredibly exciting to drive. The fun factor of a small parallel twin is priceless.
word from reps that theres more of a line up for 2025 including the 500 vroom and some of the classic style like the 450cl-c
Why do we need to talk about it? It wont be sold in America.
First of all Z650rs is overpriced. Looks nice but shouldn't be over 8k. Cfmoto is just going to get bigger. New riders are going to get a 300nk/450nk/450ss as a beginner bike have a good experience and stay in the cfmoto ecosystem. The Big 4 need to open their eyes
Absolutely. If CF hooks them when they start, they'll have a life long customer.
Girlfriend got a 300nk demo bike for $2400, absolute steal. She loves it and is planning on upgrading to the 800nk in a few years. Cfmoto will soon be commanding the beginner category and carry customers into the intermediate zone
@@spitescorner True. I'm on my second in two years and probably going to get another soon.
I bought a transalp 750 last year, which comes with nothing basically. After u add heated grips, fog lights, crash bars, luggage u are talking 13-14k, but for 10k I could have gotten the cfmoto, which is tubeless and has cruise control. Why did i pay 4k extra for...less? Only one reason, the brand name (and my stupidity perhaps) would I currently buy the transalp again over the cfmoto? hell no. I would buy the cf, have a better bike and spend 4k elsewhere
I’ve owned:
A Yamaha vstar 650
A Harley 883
A Honda cb300f
A Buell 1125r
And now have
A Suzuki drz400sm
And
A Kawasaki z650
I’m thinking of trading the kawi for a cfmoto ibex 450
I own a 2023 CFMoto 450ss. It’s my first bike. Sometimes I’ll just go in my garage just to look at it because it’s that cool looking.
I was at my local dealership recently shopping for something totally different but I couldn’t stop looking at the 450ss. Very sharp looking bike
@@wasawasablingbling i do the same thing with my 2024 triumph Daytona 660, iv been riding for 18+ years, ridden a lot of fast bikes (that to be honest u can't use all the power on the road), just the right amount of useable power, handles amazing, and looks great as well.
I think CF moto bikes look awesome, however i have a mate that bought a cf moto 300ss (i believe that was the model), after 300km from new the cam chain tensioner completely crapped itself (putting me off after i researched that it was a common problem) :(
that's why I want to get a house with a garage.
@@photographerjonathan if you own the house, park your bike wherever you want. I have a supermoto in my dining room right now. Lol
Yea I love my bike in my living room…. *wife enters the house after work*
Enfield also knows the "build it cool looking and affordable" I understand it's working well for them hehe
I think they look soo boring. I know people love them, I don't see it.
@@RobDaKid87 and that's fine, if we all had the same personal tastes, the world would be a boring place
@@Legotruck82 damn right.
I was certainly skeptical in 2022 when I bought my first CFMOTO. After two years of ownership, I'm convinced. CFMOTO is here to stay and its market share will increase for the reasons you stated in your video. CFMOTO makes an excellent product at a value price. There will be other CFMOTOS in my future.
As someone looking in to grabbing a smaller displacement "fun bike" the Zx4-RR is extremely attractive...but that price is painful. If the 500SR sits at a nicer price point, I'd be disgustingly tempted to pick one up. (Assuming they even make it to the US)
The last part's the real question. It's currently SE-Asia only, but I think there's an appetite for another small bore inline four in the states.
in the same boat here. If the price is right, I can see myself getting one for sure
It looks nice. Cfmoto is turning out to be a decent brand. If the price is right (read cheaper than the ZX4), I'd definitely check it out.
Let's not forget insurance. The ZX4RR is an expensive little bike to insure. More than likely because it's in the supersport category. Let's see what the VOOM is classified as.
@@jerrymorales6501 First year insurance can be goofy; insurance companies generally don't have enough data to properly judge the risk of such bikes. For example, my Yamaha XSR900 was given high insurance premiums, and then dropped into the low risk category. The Suzuki GSX8S (which I was looking to buy) had low insurance for the first year, then doubled afterwards; apparently the GSX8S was being crashed in huge numbers.
And Suzuki's GSXS1000, which is similar to a GSXR1000, has some of the lowest insurance rates in the motorcycle industry.
I can't believe CF Moto is the first to come up with those intake-style halos on a bike.
The problem with brands like Honda is that they're so big and wealthy they don't need to try very hard. They will intentionally hold out on us to keep their profit margins big. Whereas lesser-known CFMOTO needs to give it all they've got in order to compete. They give you more for less money.
@@DanTube2010For sure.
But they are becoming a Real powerhouse.
Just that... ccp...
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I picked up an 800nk for me and a 300nk for my wife a couple weeks ago. One of the best purchases ive made. Less then 13k for 2 bikes, both are a blast to ride and seem as well put together as any of my japanese bikes have been.
got about 10k miles on my 300nk and it's still going.
I really like this new format and I look forward to more videos like it
CFMOTO from the looks of it is taking shots to the bow of the Big 4. Between the 500SR and 675SR-R there's one company they seem to have direct aim at, Kawasaki. Love the format by the way. Sometimes it's nice to have a sit down chat.
I feel like CFMOTO has Kawasaki in particular in their sights. It doesn't make sense to go after Honda, but Kawasaki's kind of an easy target. Especially since the 700s are using the Kawasaki motor.
Looks like West Taiwan is starting to make some pretty interesting bikes
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What a stupid comment
Uncle Xi told me that "Taiwan is not a real country .... "
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You hit the nail on the head. Let’s be realistic. The A2 restriction much as I loathe the idea of restrictions in general is well thought out. 48 hp is more than enough to get a bike up to speed and break every speed limit in the country.
The Honda 500 CC parallel twin engine is widely panned as one of the least exciting engines available in the small displacement market. As the owner of a CB 500 X I can attest that that statement is 100% accurate. Regardless, even with my 300 pound when fully geared ass on it, the bike easily hits 90 miles an hour according to the GPS.
As riders we don’t actually need 100+ horsepower bikes. I own three of them, but I don’t kid myself that those bikes need 100 hp. Although it certainly does help the Goldwing get out of its own way at 900 pounds.
For the majority of riders, just looking to get out on two wheels and have a good time with a bike that looks nice and has a reasonable degree of modern technology, the current offerings from the big four are actually pretty awful.
Seriously why do I need to pay $15,000 to get into a bike with cruise control?
The CLX 700 has cruise standard and you can buy last year‘s model all day long for 4500 bucks (5500 bucks out the door with all the dealer fees)
I’m an old man so I could give a shit about phone integration, but I understand that people under the age of 50 do care about that kind of thing and all of CF Moto lineup offers it .
Were I in the market for a new bike I have a really hard time, not walking into the nearest CF Moto dealership and giving them my money.
I would hope the major consideration of anyone buying a performance standard/supersport would be doing trackdays on it, and for that racetracks seem to suck the HP right out of most bikes.
This is my list of bikes from the big four that I think are reasonable powerful, do OK on the track, have modern tech, and are reasonably priced.
Yamaha MT09/XSR900
Kawasaki Z900
Suzuki GSX8S
Suzuki GSXS1000
Honda CB650
All those bikes have ABS/TC, make decent power and can handle trackday duty. Also, all these bikes are fairly cheap to insure.
You’re right no one needs 100 hp bikes. We all need 200hp 1ks
Spite, I bought a new CF Moto 650 Adventura two years ago. I have rolled up 25K miles on it. I'm on my third chain, 2nd set of sprockets, and my 3rd set of tires. It's a Timex.
No reliability issues?
It's a 2006 Kawasaki engine. Of course it's not going to break.
Takes a lickin and keeps on ticking?
It's a 180° firing interval parallel twin. One of the blandest noises in the bizz.
@@equinox6851 i know a guy with a 650mt with 110k km, (about 63k miles). Only changed tires, oil, chain, sprockets and a ABS sensor (literally a 5 min job).
The style of the video was nice I like the format and definitely the length you got straight to the point thank you for that
I am on my second CFMoto bike. The problem I have with CFMOTO is that as soon as I get a cool bike they bring out something cooler 😮 Looks like I will need to stay with them for a while now.
No joke. I want the 450ss as a second bike but I'm trying to wait since this bike is coming out, but I'm ready for an upgrade😩
My thoughts are the video was nice, fast paced, engaging
I’ts nice to see what your channel has become.
Keep going ❤
new fun news segments woo! i like. motorcycle gossip is always fun.
so many people looked at the CF Moto papio design and begged for a full size version of it and CFMoto listened!
they're listening to their consumers they're making those changes they're building the things that people want and they're not resting on their reputation to sell their motorcycles they're building cool shit and selling it because it's cool.
Many times, less is more. Thanks for one of the best videos you've made in a long time. Happy 4th!
CFMOTO has finally arrived. Just bought a 450MT and loving it.
Lovely! Reminds me of my old GSXR400RR. Those days the 400cc supersports were literally downsized replicas of the 750 supersports. The trouble with these inline 4 pocket rockets was that there was absolutely nothing below 6000rpm, you had to keep the engine on the boil all the time. Plenty fun though.
I like this style of video! Nice, condensed, straight to the point. Good b-roll placement too. Good work mr Spite
2022 CFmoto clx-700 sport owner here, nearly 2k miles in and loving every single mile. Out the door well under 7 grand brand new
Wanna see that 450 motor in a supermoto next.
A potentially affordable supermoto. Yes plz
Hell yeah!
650!
Aprilia tried the V-twin route in the dirtbike segment many years ago. The cost was wild, the reliability was nil, the parts were expensive and hard to get, and the thing fell off the market quickly. SXV550.
That's a nice Beau of the Column shout out
watched a beau video just before this and did a double take, lol
@@joshuaford4460 same here
Dude...
Wasn’t sure if I’d be the only one who caught that
I was like thst’s Beau’s intro and then he said he copied someone else’s intro 😅
Brand new rider this year and I was between a Ninja 500 and 650 until I found a CLX 700 for comparable pricing. So far no regrets on my purchase it’s such a handsome bike. With how much I’ve rode so far I probably would’ve been bored of the 500 by now
Cfmoto also have a cruiser with the 450 engine, the clc 450. Belt drive, usd fork, comes with bar end mirrors from factory, dual exhaust that sounds *chef’s kiss*.
really happy to see so many people like cfmoto,in China you can see cf's bikes everywhere and it's the most common brand.I've owned 3 cfmotos from 150nk,400nk and I just got a 800nk.since I get 800nk the only thing I use is street mode instead of sport mode because I think I don't need that fast,I need is just a cool bike but not a fast one.
I own a 450ss and shortly after gotca cbr600rr. Now i ride the 600 every day (power) but i love the 450 to death. Once the 675 comes out im getting that, but the 500 voom id LOVE for power to weight / size ratio for the mountains. CFMoto is a perfect thing we all needed
First time I came across your channel and I liked it. Short to the point and no BS, so I subscribed. I drive bikes for more than fifty years and yes they are too expensive, I don't pay more than 10.000 euro for a bike. Now I am looking at the new Triumph Speed 400 or the CFMoto NK450 or one of Voge.
I own a 4th gen 400nk, or version 4 as they call it here, its the last gen of the 400 line before they pulled the plug and introduced the 450 line.. and cfmoto hooked me, waiting for the 675RR to land here in the island and im going the cfmoto way again.. love ur content btw
Love this. I ride a 24 MT09 but also just bought a papio SS and the thing makes me giggle every time I ride it. Gets so many looks on the road
I own a CFmoto 650GT and let me tell you: I'm very happy with my purchase ❤, I love that bike. Yes, it's a bit heavy to daily it but that's a bonus when when you're on the open road and it's also not that fast (fully loaded it will do 180kmh/111mph, without top case and bags 200kmh/124mph) but I wasn't looking for a super fast bike anyway! I wanted a mid-cc that I could daily, looked cool and that I could take for long rides comfortably! ...and I got it $60K MXN ($3,300-ish USD) cheaper than a Versys 650!!
Like the new format. Spite's Tech Talk. Good idea.
I had a 700CL-X Heritage, and now have an 800NK Advanced (we get the upgraded model here in Australia) in my garage, alongside a VT750C Shadow. Been very happy with both CFMotos, despite 20 years of owning Japanese bikes. If they bring the 500SR over here, I'd seriously consider one as a commuter. Doubly so if they bring out a larger capacity version of it.
Living in Greece with way shorter commutes than almost anywhere else in the world, it actually makes more sense to get a smaller (under 900cc) bike and with that in mind I am all for getting a CFmoto which is much cheaper that the rest. Currently got my eyes on a 450 MT but that 500SR is a beauty.
$10k is an important price point. anybody with a job can wrangle up $10k without their wife getting too mad.
I have a papio ss and it’s been such a kick mini moto I’m going to get a 300 ss now too.
nice, cfmoto have some great deals on the cl700x sport etc in the uk selling at £4999 down from £6500.
Loved it, man!!
Spite, love your content. I would recommend a way to ground your camera/audio setup to prevent the static noise.
I have the 800MT Explore brand new and LOVE IT we also have the 400EPS quad for the farm
My 450SS has honestly been one of the best purchases I've ever made. It has looks that gets people asking questions, a devilishly good exhaust note, flickable weight, and high tech user friendly features for the price. It is easily the best beginner bike on the market by far.
Love my 650nk, got a new 2023 for 5k out the door. 👌🏻great content
I was the first person in my country to buy Benelli TRK702x and I love it, amazing bike for super cheap. They even gave free aluminium set of panniers.
I’d love to see you talk about smaller brands like Benelli, moto Moroni, cf moto ..
If Honda brought out a new CB400 4cyl or similar I'd get one for commuting. Such a great bike.
My wife has been riding a CFMoto 650NK for a few years now, and that bike has been great. It talked me into getting my 800NK when it was released. They're really good bikes so far.
When the dealer network is fleshed out, and if the reliability is high, they'll sell a ton of bikes. They see the hole in the market they can fill.
Love the intro, caught the reference!
I agree with you that others in the industry ignore CFmoto (and a few other Chinese manufacturers) at their peril. I was considering a CFmoto nk450 and Ninja 400, but ended up going with a lightly used QJ srkr550 (aka Benellie Tornado 552R). While at first I was not completely happy with it, I did some minor adjustments and got the rear shock preload adjusted to my weight (220 lbs/100Kg), adjusted the clutch free play and lever position and removed the giant crash bars the previous owner put on for some more reasonable (smaller) drop bars. Now I’m very satisfied with the motorcycle. I got 60 hp, dual disk front brakes 270 crank, KYB (semi- adjustable) suspension for a lot less than a Ninja 400 and the same price was an nk450 in this market. While some minor adjustment (not repair) was needed, if you can buy a bike from a reputable dealer in your area that can access parts and take care of any small issues/adjustment, than I think a brand like CFmoto represents really good value. If there are no dealers or a way to get parts (if you’re handy at wrenching) then I would still go with a more established brand. At the very least, the traditional players have to watch their game to make sure they stay competitive.
I want one. It looks so freaking cool man. And it doesnt sound like it will be boring to ride
hello spike, I think it's nice to have companies like CF MOTO that give a breath of freshness to motorcycles and not stick to one shape because then production is cheaper which, as you mentioned in the video, doesn't necessarily translate into price. Over the last few years, only KTM has been different than everyone else, and recently they joined it suzuki work the sharper features . I believe that CF MOTO, with its apricots and prices, will attract the attention of many motorcyclists who will want to have their motorcycle. 😎🤜🤛
Thanks Sprite for taking the time to show the statistics that Harley and other manufactures are ignoring and just failing to comprehend we motorcycle buyers are looking for quality reliable sub 10k bikes with decent quality and reliability. I really hope CF moto will continue to prosper and bring us a faired sport touring bike with cruise control and bullet proof engine.
Awesome comparison 👍 I knew a lil wee bit about the cf moto’s and the advertising push , but there is quite an exceptional value in these various 2 wheeled machines , but it’s good to see that they are not completely junky ❤❤❤
I'll give them one thing, I freaking love that teal blue color they've been using. If they put it on the 800 Ibex I'd be halfway tempted.
My first bike was a Kawasaki Z250, and for community and town riding you don’t really need anything bigger. That Zoom looks fresh.
The styling on the Voom is awesome. It genuinely looks like a custom build. I just wish it was smaller capacity to keep the weight down so that flickability matches the looks.
After months of research for best bang for buck i went to get a 450ss as a first bike, I saw a clx 700 and fell in love and got it! 4 months and 2,000 miles later i feel like i couldn't have made a better choice for the under 5k price!
This bike is / looks incredible. CFMoto is changing the game for sure. It's on my list
I sold my r3 and starting to save for the 675sr can't wait for it to come out
One of the pluses with CFMoto is I have heard their offices (in the US) actively seek out feedback so that they can make the changes that the consumer wants. That's part of the reason you've seen the rapid changes in offerings from them. They already know how to manufacture given their ATV experience and partnership with KTM. Now they are making the connection with consumers in order to grow. And yes price matters also. It doesn't really matter Where something is made when Honda is making their small bikes in Thailand, Brazil and India, and apparently have longevity issues with the small bikes. It's a global market now, so just get the best bang for your buck, whether it's Royal Enfield, CFMoto, or one of the more est brands... but be aware that many "established" brands are farming out bikes to other companies anyway (like BMW using TVS, and KTM partner with CFMoto).
I picked up a 2023 CL-X700 Heritage model with 1 mile out the door for $6k USD. I have put 7k miles on it since March and it has been pretty great. Stock cruise control, fully adjustable KYB front suspension, ABS, 3 ride modes, traction control that can be turned off in any ride mode, rear abs can be turned off in off-road mode. Not really any other bike that looks quite like it. Sadly it has been discontinued for the U.S. market for 2025. It seems the SS and NK lines sold much better here than the CL-X.
Love my Ibex!!! Wanted a Triumph Tiger but have everything I want in the Ibex and save like $8k
I have a 22 clx 700 sport and I can’t stop looking at it
Think you nailed it. The euro and japanese makers think low cc = budget model. People have been screaming for an updated drz400 or a wr400r from Yamaha. Instead Suzuki updated the vstrom 650 to a 800 and doubled the price 🤦♂️
I hope it's offered in the US. I'd buy it in an instant. Awesome job with the design.
675ss is here for 2025.
First off, love the Beau intro. But I did vote $10-13k in that poll. For me it’s the bikes that come equipped with what I want without sacrificing anything. I’d gladly spend what I bought my 21’ MT-09 for $9.5k for the MT-07 if it had they same suspension and brakes, slipper clutch, and upgraded swing arm with rear link for the shock. Maybe closer to 100hp to keep up with its competitors. While I do enjoy the electronic suite on my MT-09 I don’t need it with an MT-07 so they can go back to their previous lcd dash, no need for dbw w/ bi-directional qs. Just give me enough to ride it sporty in the mountains as a heavier human. The closest thing to that is the 790 with upgraded WP suspension which I’m pretty sure is as or more expensive than the current MT-09 that has everything as the 990, although that 990 really has my attention if I could trust the engine
Very solid market analysis.
It's important to factor in that whilst CF Moto are doing a great job of showing up the big brands when it comes to value, remember that KTM, CF MOTO, Husqvarna, MV Augusta and Gas Gas are all part of the same parent company - PIERER MOBILITY AG. This is a good move for a number of reasons;
- They can share platforms, engines and components out a larger variety of parts bins
- They can cross design languages
- As they are owned by a single parent company, they can manage their diversification of the product easier and it not affect profits.
- As they are a consolidated group of manufacturers they have a bigger economy of scale, which ultimately means they can pass savings (if they chose to), on to the customer.
Its a clever strategy, whilst people see a single brand and may tie themselves to that brand for a time, they are actually supporting the other brands in the group as well. I will definitely be looking at the bigger output bikes CF Moto bring out in the future, in particular the new "Daytona" killer, - 675SR-R... what Triumph should've made.
On the speed question I assume the average motorcycle owner isn’t really interested in massive speeding tickets or running from the police. “Oh no! My bike can only go 110 MPH!!”
Yeah, I guess this would only matter on track or highway
If this voom engine is anything like the ZX-4RR it's definitely not underpowered. They have over 70hp that's about the same as the CP2 engines from Yamaha, but they deliver it in the higher rev range. I absolutely loved the ZX-4RR. Awesome bike, the Voom is similar but with cooler design.
My cfmoto was great. Had no issues. Eventually, i moved to a cruiser, but i still have respect for them, and i would get another.
CF Moto been on my radar since they brought the 300ss to the states. Im still heavily considering buying a 450ss as my first sport bike. It looks cool as heck, has great specs and tech and a pretty reasonable price. Oh and if i get one ill definitely be switching to the GP shifting mode.
That being said, if I was at home in Canada the price of CFmotos make no sense and you can’t get QJ’s or Benellie motorcycles so I would definitely go with one of the Japanese big 4. I think you have to consider your local situation as a big part of your motorcycle purchase .
Well said Spite. Absolutely right.
As a ninja 400 owner, can’t wait for CF Moto 450 MT to arrive. My wish was always to have a Versys with a little bit more power than the current 300’s. KLR’s single would be hard for my 80% freeway rides. Just need a comfortable, simple, cheap to mantain but keeping some fun into the mix. Used to own also the CBR 600F4i back in the days! Now rather keep my temptations to ride too fast at bay.
I'm rooting for CFMoto, and I am considering one in the near future though I'm concerned about the electronics, e.g. the menu buttons for the dashboard don't work, or the both blinkers stay on and cannot be turned off somehow. I've actually experienced this myself, and I just hope they fix this soon
Bro, I will re-live my days with a Genesis 600 with this bike 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 Isn’t it absolutely awesome?
I like this style of video its cool quick and to the point
feedback for Spite: shorter videos = good. I skip a lot of videos due to length. You can cover pretty much any single topic in depth within 8-12 minutes.
I really like the style of the 500 voom. Another reason to consider this bike, is hp/ weight ratio. For some particular situation, I have been riding a small 250 machine, ínstead of my other 1200 cc bikes. And even I miss the big power, the light bike makes me feel very secure, and in heavy traffic it’s the way to go. So maybe this new 4 cilínder 500, will have the best of both worlds
I ride a Svartpilen401 and I agree, I choose this bike because it's looks cool more than cold raisoning ^^
The Voom (very bad name though, ridicule) caught my eye, sadly I dont have a dealership in Toulouse - France, so I can't test it and have a trusted place for maintenance
Like the Grisso more then the glasses. And that even rhymes! 😁
I have never preferred the look of multiple exhaust outlets before, but dam does the dual exhaust look nice on that bike
CF Moto is putting all the other manufacturers on notice. I suspect the 450 MT is going to dominate, and the Voom is going to reignite the 4 cylinder small displacement class.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY like the Voom!!!
The retro front end, the stubby little tail and the dual, beside the tail?, exhaust looks moto GP'ish....what a great little bike!!!
I got the Papio XO-1. This looks like a more beefy version. However it's really difficult to find parking for "heavy motorcycles" where I live..
I do appreciate this conversational style video. I do agree that CF Moto bike looks interesting, and yes, we all don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of money on a bike. T-700 is a nice sweet spot for me
Nailed it. Saw the papio ss and had to have it. Is grom better in every way? By miles, obviously, except the way that swayed my decision. The papio ss looks sick and I love it. I spent 2k more for it when I was looking for a used grom. I'll probably get a voom as well.
If the price is right and they seem reliable i would be interested in one for my next toy.
I wouldn't be worried about resale on something like this.
This 500SR Voom maybe making it to the US market. CF Moto Mexico is already running advertisements for this bike.
I has a face that makes it look like it goes "AHHHHHH" as you drive by. I can't stop seeing this, haha.
😂😂😂
You've got a ground loop somewhere; I can hear it. HumX eliminators and in-line ground loop isolators will do the trick. The latter is significantly more reasonable a solution.
Spite out here doing Gods work 🙏
the white/gold version looks great
Over 2k miles on a 450ss by my son. He still loves it and it out performed the ninja400 for less money.
If they made a 100 Hp version of it it'd be at the top of my list. Such a cool looking bike.
I would love to know what you think of the 800MT/Ibex 800 Explore version, if you ever get your hands on one👍🏼 CFMoto are really making an impression with their motorcycles!
I feel like that about my mt-10 - always checking her out
CFMoto is the Hyundai of the 2 wheel world. When you can’t rest on your laurels, you have to make cool stuff to be competitive.
Love the shorter video. Love my 450mt by cfmoto. Cheers