dlrarmy welll.... I haven’t seen the video your referencing ... but I have a 500exc....and it did flame out bad until I put a programmer on it drilled out the screen on the muffler endcap and deleted the emissions.... got even better when I took the silly reeds out of the intake ... and changed the fuel filter out... stock ... I was kinda disappointed with the 500... but after I did what I did... it is now the bike I believed I was buying.
@dlrarmy Yeah he does stall a shit load of times its was pretty bad. I don't believe a good rider on a 4 stroke would stall that many times. He was boggin the shit out of it
He used a 16 350xcf, and a 17 300. The 17 ktms have much better forks. Would like to see the 17s compared, I think it would flip a couple of the riders to the other side.
the nod for me is the 350 fuel injection is always spot on no need to re jet or fouled plugs better ride quality does not deflect over roots and rocks perfect power delivery
Not surprised but some folks are saying last years carb setup was better word is that the Mikuni carb has issues also a bad reed cage! Electron carb and force v reeds are in order
Wish you did some Videos of test riding back East. steep hills and slick roots, I was really wanting to step into the 4 stroke game, the more videos I watch has me leaning to the 300 xc-w tpi. I like the idea of the oil injection. my question is, well two questions, the best fuel to use (pump gas or race gas) and the best oil for the injection system? I know Maxima makes some as does Klotz.
I noticed a lot of your riders making the front suspension a main focal point when explaining they preferred the 300. Of course the 300 has the new WP 48 AER where as the 350 has the 4cs fork. It would have been a lot better if you had actually compared both 2017 models so the poor fork of the 2016 350 wouldn't have been an issue. Nice video none the less.
Love the video and how many people you had review the bikes. Maybe include rider skill and weight and current bike next to their name. Idk just an idea for the next video. Keep them coming.
Great video - Thanks for all the work you put into it and it was quite informative. Watching it just convinced me to go 300 over the others(350, 450) for my first dirt bike in 12 years. I hope I made the right choice!
Cool video, thank you. Both are great bikes, but if the trail is truly gnarly, the 2T wins hands down. 2Ts don't boil over easily, and the 300 grunts off idle like crazy, and the engine's smoothness is eerie. It is truly strange to ride a 2T and not have my hands go numb. The 350 has a never ending holy sh%t top end, but I am not good enough to use that. The 300 is plenty fast when it is on the pipe. The 300 is cake to maintain too compared to a 4 stroke. I like that the XC still has a carb and I did choose - just bought an '18 300 XC! What, no video comment on the crazed Bambi at 3:15? :P
The 17 models were a major revamp in both 2 stroke and 4 stroke, new engines, less weight and different suspension. Be good to see a 17 350 up against the 300, apples vs apples. The 2 stroke is always going to be lighter and better in the really gnarly stuff, I'm just curious if the changes to the 17 350 closed the gap a bit more.
I wish modern two-strokes had an oil reservoir. I often go on 2-6 day off-road rides, and for that reason a 2-stroke isn't useful. I used to have a KDX but carrying a bunch of oil bottles adds a lot of weight to a rider's backpack and takes up limited space. I know they're not designed for multi-day events with far away gas stops, but having a reservoir would be pretty nice.
They both have their pro's and cons. I think comparing the XCF-W to the XC-W might be s better comparison for single track. I own. 350 and would love to have a 300 in the garage sitting next to it.
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Thanks for a good comparison and the result was a clear. Interesting to se that so many different sized guys agree on the 300 without changing setup. I'm now on a Husky 501 which is a great bike but for more open terrain. Next time the budget allows for a change out the 300 KTM or Husky it top on my list.
Question, what would you think of the 2017 Kim 300 xcw I heard it's more for technical single track does anyone else no? I personally do more tight single track and if the xcw is better for that I would get that instead of this xc
I've had mine since july. it was set up for moto cross tracks, carb and suspension.had the jetting and suspension adjusted and put in the red power valve spring for more bottom end power. i love the bike its nice and light and is a joy to ride. i ride all different types of trails in canada,rocks to sand.will be tinkering with it this winter after watching numerous you tube videos on the bike to fix a few things.ex. reed cage and air box ventilation.
I realize this video is a bit dated but I have the same question for all of these 300XC vs. 350XCF comparisons - Why not compare to the 350XCF-W?? Most complaints about the thumper relates to stall outs which you really don't have with the wide ratio transmission.
Nice. Would like to see a 2017+ 250xcf vs 2017+ 250xc. I don’t want to race open class nor do I want to ride anything over a 250 in the woods. Hay I like my 450’s as much as anyone but the GNCC champ rides a 250xcf for a reason. Russel has his choice of Kim factory bikes and he preferred the 350xcf for a couple years until he was shown the lap times... he was faster on the 250xcf 90% of the time. Anywho, please do the 250 4t vs 2t please.
This doesnt seem very fair. Most of the complaints about the 350 seemed to stem from the suspension which was changed to AER forks in 2017 (which the 300 in this video has). Both bikes should have been 17's
Looks like if I didn't just buy a Ducati to rebuild, I would get the 350. Not because I'm against 2 strokes I love them, I'm just a heavy rider, and most of my riding is high speeds trails with wider banked turns (wide relatively, my trails are about 4 feet wide vs a single track having basically a 1 foot wide trail) so most of the time I'm in the woods at around 30-45 mph with some jumps I put in with the bulldozer. The more firm suspension sounds like it would be better for those jumps and to not bottom out and stay firm during the high speed banked corners. Too bad I'll have to wait until mid summer or even next spring before I have the funds again for another motorcycle :( Great video though, glad to see more than one person riding it both bikes, especially since they are of varying heights and weights. Earned yourself a subscriber just for that.
I get a kick out of the new riders who grew up on 4 strokes thinking they are faster than 2 strokes, as a former AMA Expert License holder in both 125cc and 250cc Motocross back when 2 strokes were the standard in motocross, when the AMA decided they wanted to go to 4 strokes they made the 2 strokes run in the up class, so 125cc 2 strokes had to run in the 250cc class and the 250cc 2 strokes had to run in the 450cc class...and even then for the first few years the 2 strokes were still competitive.
Haha....well. I have a 300xc on order, but the dealer has NO CLUE when it might arrive. With some of the jetting issues with the 300, I went in this past Tuesday intent on walking out with one of the floor model 350's. I got convinced to wait for the 300.
Nice! People are just all over the place with the jetting. Some people say that the stock jetting works fine, other people say the JD kit fixed it, other people say the JD kit made it worse. Some people are saying lectron solved, it but had to be tuned a little richer, Jeff slavens doesn't quite have his lectron dialed yet. Another guy said that the problem is that the Reeds don't seal so he replaced them with aftermarket, the air box is too closed up, so he drilled holes in his plastic, then he filed the little slot in the bottom of the carburetor slide so that it would transition better off of idle. He then said once that was all done that the stock jetting chart worked much better and the bike pulled very strongly similar to last year's model. INSANITY! I'm glad yours is straightened out though man.
if your going to test multiple riders, then test varying proficiencies as well, these guys seem more suited to a ttr than a 54hp 300. At least show people what the bikes are capable of
Just look to which platform the pros ride in hard enduro or enduro x racing. The 2t cant be beat when the going gets ugly, if that is your thing. I know alot of guys that have had top end issues with the 350f. Big money and they were not ridden hard by average trail riders.
markmtbrider True for hard enduro but I believe Kailub Russell has earned a few awards a broad XC-Fs. Not being argumentative, just bringing up another point of view.
8:15 OH DEAR (Deer). LOL Seriously, I would have gotten even more out of the video if I knew the skill levels of the test riders as they commented. Thanks for posting.
what are they talking about? go check Ktm.com and the 300 xc 2017 is half kg heavier than the 350 xc f.. I think its mental because usually the 2 strokes are lighter but not in this case
masterutd even at the same weight the 2 stroke will always feel lighter because the mass of its weight is lower in the frame and closer to the ground so it feels lighter to the rider
why they are saying 350 f has tons of power like its stronger than the 300? 300 produces more hp and doesnt rev as high but still 300 must be much stronger
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This is a coo coo match up. Do you want an expert rider running a two stroke at the local track for the win? Hell no. Do you want a weekend warrior that is out of shape but can still ride pumping a full out four stroke 450 going through single tracks and going over crazy obstacles? Hell no. So situate you test in a much better manner.
what a fucked comparison, 16 350 V's 17 300 is a no brainer. For trail riding the 350 is not that great but racing is another story. All the 17 bikes are lighter than their previous models so they already put the 350 on the back foot. I would possibly consider the 300 now it has a balance shaft but if I was looking at a 16 model it would be a 450 or 500exc
there is no difference between the 2016 and 17 as far as weight goes the only difference is he has the new Air Forks and a map switch. They totally revamped it for 2016
Kick ass review. you nailed it. I wish they'd stay allowing 300cc and 350cc 2T to race the 450F class. such a punk assed move by the AMA to basically try and kill off the 2T. I'm glad you guys see the light. 4T are for novices and less athletically inclined.
Have I not been saying this for a few years? :) Glad to see others coming around!
Can you make a video of what's better a 2 stroke or 4 stroke
He has like 5 of them on his page...
dlrarmy welll.... I haven’t seen the video your referencing ... but I have a 500exc....and it did flame out bad until I put a programmer on it drilled out the screen on the muffler endcap and deleted the emissions.... got even better when I took the silly reeds out of the intake ... and changed the fuel filter out... stock ... I was kinda disappointed with the 500... but after I did what I did... it is now the bike I believed I was buying.
dlrarmy gotcha thanks I’ll have to check it out
@dlrarmy Yeah he does stall a shit load of times its was pretty bad. I don't believe a good rider on a 4 stroke would stall that many times. He was boggin the shit out of it
He used a 16 350xcf, and a 17 300. The 17 ktms have much better forks. Would like to see the 17s compared, I think it would flip a couple of the riders to the other side.
the nod for me is the 350 fuel injection is always spot on no need to re jet or fouled plugs better ride quality does not deflect over roots and rocks perfect power delivery
Not surprised but some folks are saying last years carb setup was better word is that the Mikuni carb has issues also a bad reed cage! Electron carb and force v reeds are in order
Wish you did some Videos of test riding back East. steep hills and slick roots, I was really wanting to step into the 4 stroke game, the more videos I watch has me leaning to the 300 xc-w tpi. I like the idea of the oil injection. my question is, well two questions, the best fuel to use (pump gas or race gas) and the best oil for the injection system? I know Maxima makes some as does Klotz.
I noticed a lot of your riders making the front suspension a main focal point when explaining they preferred the 300. Of course the 300 has the new WP 48 AER where as the 350 has the 4cs fork. It would have been a lot better if you had actually compared both 2017 models so the poor fork of the 2016 350 wouldn't have been an issue. Nice video none the less.
Toby Won Kinoby 300 still would have won
Noticed that immediately when they started talking about the 350 being stiff. I was like, wait what year are these bikes?
Love the video and how many people you had review the bikes. Maybe include rider skill and weight and current bike next to their name. Idk just an idea for the next video. Keep them coming.
That sounds like a good idea, thanks!
No brained on the 2 stroke, both beautiful bikes!!!!
Great video - Thanks for all the work you put into it and it was quite informative. Watching it just convinced me to go 300 over the others(350, 450) for my first dirt bike in 12 years. I hope I made the right choice!
Just picked up my new kawahondamazuki 12 stroke
What kind of skid plate do you have on the 350 xc-f?
Works Connection Full Coverage Skid Plate.
Cool video, thank you.
Both are great bikes, but if the trail is truly gnarly, the 2T wins hands down. 2Ts don't boil over easily, and the 300 grunts off idle like crazy, and the engine's smoothness is eerie. It is truly strange to ride a 2T and not have my hands go numb.
The 350 has a never ending holy sh%t top end, but I am not good enough to use that. The 300 is plenty fast when it is on the pipe. The 300 is cake to maintain too compared to a 4 stroke. I like that the XC still has a carb and I did choose - just bought an '18 300 XC!
What, no video comment on the crazed Bambi at 3:15? :P
haha, what is disturbing is that the rider didn't even
drop 1 rpm. lol, it was like fkem....
The 17 models were a major revamp in both 2 stroke and 4 stroke, new engines, less weight and different suspension. Be good to see a 17 350 up against the 300, apples vs apples. The 2 stroke is always going to be lighter and better in the really gnarly stuff, I'm just curious if the changes to the 17 350 closed the gap a bit more.
when the video finally ended I found that I was drooling over the bikes.. awesome video, awesome bikes.
That's great. Thanks for watching!
I wish modern two-strokes had an oil reservoir. I often go on 2-6 day off-road rides, and for that reason a 2-stroke isn't useful. I used to have a KDX but carrying a bunch of oil bottles adds a lot of weight to a rider's backpack and takes up limited space. I know they're not designed for multi-day events with far away gas stops, but having a reservoir would be pretty nice.
Beta does.
Sean Johnston air box is huge on the Ktm just saying
They both have their pro's and cons. I think comparing the XCF-W to the XC-W might be s better comparison for single track. I own. 350 and would love to have a 300 in the garage sitting next to it.
KE8AMR You and me both the difference is I have a 08 300 and would not mind a 350 sitting next to my 300.
To the production and editing team.Nice work and many thanks for not subjecting me to a horrible, torturous teenage angst soundtrack by somebodies cousin Larry..
We're glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for a good comparison and the result was a clear. Interesting to se that so many different sized guys agree on the 300 without changing setup. I'm now on a Husky 501 which is a great bike but for more open terrain. Next time the budget allows for a change out the 300 KTM or Husky it top on my list.
They're both amazing bikes! Thanks for watching and sending your feedback.
What was the set up on the 300xc, jetting, suspension, parts, etc?
im not surprised the 300 won
Best skid plate for my kx250f? 2009 model
'17 300xc vs '16 350xc-f, has the xcf changed much in '17?
Anyone know if there any diff between a stock 300 xc and a 250 xc with a 300 big bore kit?
Question, what would you think of the 2017 Kim 300 xcw I heard it's more for technical single track does anyone else no? I personally do more tight single track and if the xcw is better for that I would get that instead of this xc
It almost looked like you had dinner set for all the boys at 3:16, better luck next time.
I've had mine since july. it was set up for moto cross tracks, carb and suspension.had the jetting and suspension adjusted and put in the red power valve spring for more bottom end power. i love the bike its nice and light and is a joy to ride. i ride all different types of trails in canada,rocks to sand.will be tinkering with it this winter after watching numerous you tube videos on the bike to fix a few things.ex. reed cage and air box ventilation.
I realize this video is a bit dated but I have the same question for all of these 300XC vs. 350XCF comparisons - Why not compare to the 350XCF-W?? Most complaints about the thumper relates to stall outs which you really don't have with the wide ratio transmission.
Because the 300xc dosent have the wide ratio either
Well done guys. Great video for anyone choosing between the two !! 👍🇺🇸
I'm glad we have both. They both have their strong points. One of each.......
what do you have suspension setup with, air pressure and springs im 6'2" 225lbs running 135psi and 5.0 rear spring
Nice. Would like to see a 2017+ 250xcf vs 2017+ 250xc. I don’t want to race open class nor do I want to ride anything over a 250 in the woods. Hay I like my 450’s as much as anyone but the GNCC champ rides a 250xcf for a reason. Russel has his choice of Kim factory bikes and he preferred the 350xcf for a couple years until he was shown the lap times... he was faster on the 250xcf 90% of the time. Anywho, please do the 250 4t vs 2t please.
Nice video - Where is the single track located? I'm a northern Utah rider who's been on a lot of trails. I didn't recognize this one. Thanks
Wow, many riders these days have been brainwashed into thinking 4 strokes are God's gift to off reading. Glad to see the 300 come out on top.
Its not a battle or argument
Its what you want to ride. And you customize it...
I mean 4t is on top for a reason m8
Why the trials rear tire?
This doesnt seem very fair. Most of the complaints about the 350 seemed to stem from the suspension which was changed to AER forks in 2017 (which the 300 in this video has). Both bikes should have been 17's
Looks like if I didn't just buy a Ducati to rebuild, I would get the 350. Not because I'm against 2 strokes I love them, I'm just a heavy rider, and most of my riding is high speeds trails with wider banked turns (wide relatively, my trails are about 4 feet wide vs a single track having basically a 1 foot wide trail) so most of the time I'm in the woods at around 30-45 mph with some jumps I put in with the bulldozer. The more firm suspension sounds like it would be better for those jumps and to not bottom out and stay firm during the high speed banked corners. Too bad I'll have to wait until mid summer or even next spring before I have the funds again for another motorcycle :(
Great video though, glad to see more than one person riding it both bikes, especially since they are of varying heights and weights. Earned yourself a subscriber just for that.
I get a kick out of the new riders who grew up on 4 strokes thinking they are faster than 2 strokes, as a former AMA Expert License holder in both 125cc and 250cc Motocross back when 2 strokes were the standard in motocross, when the AMA decided they wanted to go to 4 strokes they made the 2 strokes run in the up class, so 125cc 2 strokes had to run in the 250cc class and the 250cc 2 strokes had to run in the 450cc class...and even then for the first few years the 2 strokes were still competitive.
Haha....well. I have a 300xc on order, but the dealer has NO CLUE when it might arrive. With some of the jetting issues with the 300, I went in this past Tuesday intent on walking out with one of the floor model 350's. I got convinced to wait for the 300.
put jd jetting kit on mine worked like a charm might do lectron next year
Nice! People are just all over the place with the jetting. Some people say that the stock jetting works fine, other people say the JD kit fixed it, other people say the JD kit made it worse. Some people are saying lectron solved, it but had to be tuned a little richer, Jeff slavens doesn't quite have his lectron dialed yet. Another guy said that the problem is that the Reeds don't seal so he replaced them with aftermarket, the air box is too closed up, so he drilled holes in his plastic, then he filed the little slot in the bottom of the carburetor slide so that it would transition better off of idle. He then said once that was all done that the stock jetting chart worked much better and the bike pulled very strongly similar to last year's model. INSANITY! I'm glad yours is straightened out though man.
theres also a reason why that guy your talking about doesn't allow comments on his videos, he talks out his ass and his way fixes everything
I guess that's the point I was trying to make. The only reason I'm all over this stuff is I have one coming, and I'm not exactly a jetting expert.
if your going to test multiple riders, then test varying proficiencies as well, these guys seem more suited to a ttr than a 54hp 300. At least show people what the bikes are capable of
Just look to which platform the pros ride in hard enduro or enduro x racing. The 2t cant be beat when the going gets ugly, if that is your thing. I know alot of guys that have had top end issues with the 350f. Big money and they were not ridden hard by average trail riders.
markmtbrider
True for hard enduro but I believe Kailub Russell has earned a few awards a broad XC-Fs. Not being argumentative, just bringing up another point of view.
Kelly Dastrup you got that right. Look the year he won a race on the 150 2t. The 300 may the one bike he hasn't won on , or a 500 4t. Gncc
almost hit a damn deer at 8:42.lol
haha lucky day for deer, almost fucked up. :D
3:14
where are these trails located?
8:15 OH DEAR (Deer). LOL Seriously, I would have gotten even more out of the video if I knew the skill levels of the test riders as they commented. Thanks for posting.
Looking at these. The price is right now that they are a couple of years old.
What make/model tire are you running on the 300?
We mounted the Dunlop 803GP Trials Tire: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1433/55309/Dunlop-D803GP-Trials-Tire
Nice area guys and great video.. 👍🎥
Thanks so much . Exactly what I was looking for.
Great video and surprising results.
Makes me a happy 300 owner
what are they talking about? go check Ktm.com and the 300 xc 2017 is half kg heavier than the 350 xc f.. I think its mental because usually the 2 strokes are lighter but not in this case
masterutd even at the same weight the 2 stroke will always feel lighter because the mass of its weight is lower in the frame and closer to the ground so it feels lighter to the rider
The two bikes I'm debating between.
Awesome video
Thanks
I've had 25 KTM's 12 of them were 300's.Number 26 will be a 300 also.
haha that's awesome.
damn you must spend a lot of money lol
You know they weren't to pricey till after the 2008 models than getting a new bike every year didn't seam very appealing.
I got my 1st one in 1990.
John Fisher wow why so many? do they fall apart easy?
Should have compared w, s
jetting? I guess if I don't know what jetting is I should stick to the 4 stroke??? loL
Fuel Injection.. Got him! Ha
R just get a Lectron carb
why they are saying 350 f has tons of power like its stronger than the 300? 300 produces more hp and doesnt rev as high but still 300 must be much stronger
No the 350 has more power. The 350 is pretty much equal to the 450 and my older 450 has much more power speed wise than my new 300.
2021 ... To bad the dealers are asking over 12,000 for the 300
The 300 has more torque and will lug at lower rpms than the 350.
Do love a two stoke though 🤘
I don't think this is a surprise to anybody who rides Trail. I have both these bikes for 300 is hands-down a better trail bike
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Can you motocross a 300xc?
you can enduro it
add some air for the heavy guys
This is a coo coo match up. Do you want an expert rider running a two stroke at the local track for the win? Hell no. Do you want a weekend warrior that is out of shape but can still ride pumping a full out four stroke 450 going through single tracks and going over crazy obstacles? Hell no. So situate you test in a much better manner.
There is a 2 pound difference between those models
Book Weight doesn’t matter. The engine is what changes the ‘feel’ and ‘weight’ of these bikes.
next time don't use trials tires.... :)
I think you guys are promoting the 300 😑🤣🤣
Mix gas. Unless your not real smart at figures. If so, get a 4 stroke.
what a fucked comparison, 16 350 V's 17 300 is a no brainer. For trail riding the 350 is not that great but racing is another story. All the 17 bikes are lighter than their previous models so they already put the 350 on the back foot. I would possibly consider the 300 now it has a balance shaft but if I was looking at a 16 model it would be a 450 or 500exc
there is no difference between the 2016 and 17 as far as weight goes the only difference is he has the new Air Forks and a map switch. They totally revamped it for 2016
the SX got the big revamp in 16 and enduro models in 17 including weight reduction and air forks www.ktm.com/enduro/350-exc-f-1/
NitroAl the 2016 350 XCF got the remodel along with the SXF.
Kick ass review. you nailed it. I wish they'd stay allowing 300cc and 350cc 2T to race the 450F class. such a punk assed move by the AMA to basically try and kill off the 2T.
I'm glad you guys see the light.
4T are for novices and less athletically inclined.
Thats it..I'm selling my 350-XCF..Nobody likes it anywhere..They should stop selling it to suckers like me.
Two strokes... is where it's at. OH YEAH js
Yamaha 4 Life
2 stroke sucks, 4 stroke rules. You're all biased fanboys
You're not a fan of speed if you don't like 2 strokes
tosgem with that face on your profile ... looks like YOU suck 😘😘