Damn I was like when the hell am I gonna find a good Master Raven player. I mean even JDCR didn't play her this good! Thanks for sharing Aris beat down nopants! Really appreciated.
Games'n' Guitar You don't need to be a high level Raven(or even play Raven at all) to say what that guy said. I'm not going to say KongoJack's Raven is garbage(quite the opposite actually), but I'm pretty sure there's better Raven players out there. Regardless though, I do agree with you guys that this guy's Raven is phenomenal and other Raven players should take some notes on his usage of her.
I like batman More so the player himself. His movement and fundamentals of the game are superb and that's stuff that universally transfers to all characters. People should aspire to the level of the player more than the usage of the character, I feel.
You're right, that last string is a frame trap. Techinically, it puts her at -2, but her jab in backturn is 8 frames, so it will trade with any regular jab, and outspeed anything else. You're best best is probably crouch jab, but if you get too predictable with it, she can counter it with bt f+1+2 and throw you. If you want to cheat, 4,1 is both high and high, and I don't believe it jails, so you can duck the 1 if you're quick enough and avoid the mixup all-together.
TheHartmann Yoshi's 2+3(counter... actually I forgot the actual command... but u know wut I am talking about) is 6 frames for crying out loud. Most reversals are 9 frames.
it's a common mistake he prolly means she has some nice TnA, people don't really know that term is more for bbw's, or girls with a lil more meat on their bones
Thicc is for large thighs and ass and a 'thick' but not fat midsection. If her belly droops or sags at all she isn't thick. She's a BBW. But M.Raven isn't thicc. She's fit; the ass and thigh game just so happen to be on-point.
When Kongojack beats you 10-0 with Master Raven, demotes you twice while you are using arguably the best character in the game? KongoJack knows what he is doing.
Good data ≠ best character. As we've seen with Jack being horrible on paper but there being mirror matches with him in Top16... Even Nobi gets owned these days as so many people have started to use Sir Gay that you start to pick up on the little difference between his lows, mids, and high animations. It sucks because my friend is new and like him but I'm too used to seeing that shit that I just end up punishing or low parrying that shit. Even so, there are still good Drag players who aren't slouches. Good player = good character performance. That's what it boils down to
Kongojack is no joke! You have alot of balls to upload a 30 minute video of you getting rekt 👏You're better than those who only upload videos of their wins.
PsyPath that is so funny, back at mk9 i played with noob saibot and i could win pretty easily against good players, tiers matter more on tournament though
Hakim Durand More emphasis should be placed on the "hard-hitting" part of his comment. The way Aris put it, the weird characters and low skill-ceiling/easy execution characters are the good tournament characters.
Roderick Wrong. You got it the other way around. Tiers only matter if you're going to do a prolonged deathmatch. Otherwise, anything can happen if you're only doing best of 3 or best of 5. That is why tiers don't mean shit during tournaments.
How does aris maintain his composure so easily. I'd be chucking my fight stick at the tv calling the other guy obscene names after the 3rd straight loss. But Aris just keeps his quan and rolls with it blaming himself for mistakes and trying to improve.
You answered your own question. Tekken is a game you can't get mad at because it's 99.9% your fault for your mistakes. You just gotta learn from getting your ass beat.
I love how quickly he changes tones. He goes from "fuck you dude, you suck" to "thanks for the donation, i appreciate it." All at the same person in a matter of 5 seconds. That shit kills me.
Did you stick with her? This is my first Tekken and I'm in my third week only learning Raven. wondering if it will pay off or should i learn the game with someone with more fundamentals. because this is hella difficult.
Lol ur reaction is funny and u stayed very calm I main Raven too and I usually do well against Dragunovs for some reason. Maybe it's Dragunovs Achilles heel
Keanu Linkers I wondered that as well. uf3+4,4 & b2,2,3 are the most common wall enders but this guy sticks with b2,3 b1 for some reason. Maybe it gives better oki or wall setups
ONLY fighting game I know atm where tiers dont matter is tekken just because it's all hard reads. Only time it matters are in tournaments where sets can be longer than 2. Thats when tiers start showing their colors
Kongojack has been practising for a tournament & Aris has never played against a really good Raven so he didn't really know the matchup...despite this being his 2nd encounter with Kongo
Thanks for the post NoPants. I'm 25 min in and have to stop watching this. Seeing Aris dropping combos he rarely drops. Combos that even I can pull off.... guess it's just one of those days. I'm sure he'll be back in form tomorrow after some big dinner and time in the lab w/ Master Raven.
I'm not sure about what the optimal combos are or anything, but I think it's muscle memory to him at this point. And Aris is a big advocate of sticking with the combos you know you can pull off consistently rather than the ones that are harder. So I'm guessing it's more of just that that's what he's used to.
It feels good to see Drag getting fucked up. 😂😂 I got fucked up by so many Drag online. I even know how to punish most of his moves without going to practice, just to show much I got fucked up by this character.
Aris my dude I think you spent too much time away from your boy dragunov. And for everyone saying he's better with King, I'm pretty sure any tournaments he's been in the past he's used Dragunov. Distance makes the skills go 💩
I used to main raven, but i was really more combo focused rather than mix up focused and thats what caused me to lose so much with raven. Gonna try and pick her up again and see if i can get good with her.
Lucifer Verone it's not just about mix-ups. You need to learn how to think while fighting and how to learn your opponent's habits while fighting them. I think he mentioned a few books to read to get better at fighting games. One I've read specifically is The Art of War. It's a good read regardless if you play fighting games or not.
Now I'm not acting like I know everything about Tekken; hell, I'd have a hard time convincing anyone I even know how to competently play it, but it seems like Raven needs way too much work for way too little payoff. Maybe it's easier to pull off then it looks but all those combos and strings looked like chip damage
"Call the cops guys and send them to my house."
- Aris 2017, Famous last words
I am kinda scared of facing Kongojack someday.
And i don't even play the game.
I REALLY recommend paying close attention to the web camera from 3:48 to 3:52
People should aim to have that sort of mentality!
The feel of a true robbery, this is home invasion
ak252m he's streaming of course he won't rage
Damn I was like when the hell am I gonna find a good Master Raven player. I mean even JDCR didn't play her this good!
Thanks for sharing Aris beat down nopants! Really appreciated.
Thomas Light you need to watch Goattack. Undoubtedly the best MRaven.
kongojack stream and have yt channel
Thanks everyone! gonna check em out
Damn, Kongojack, you have the Raven everyone should strive to have.
Hooded Streetmonk hia raven is good but i wouldn't go that far.
Righteous Kung Fu is your raven overlord? If so, congrats!! You're awesome! If not, shut up and pay attention.
Games'n' Guitar You don't need to be a high level Raven(or even play Raven at all) to say what that guy said. I'm not going to say KongoJack's Raven is garbage(quite the opposite actually), but I'm pretty sure there's better Raven players out there. Regardless though, I do agree with you guys that this guy's Raven is phenomenal and other Raven players should take some notes on his usage of her.
Hooded Streetmonk have you ever scene 'go attack's' revan ?
I like batman
More so the player himself. His movement and fundamentals of the game are superb and that's stuff that universally transfers to all characters. People should aspire to the level of the player more than the usage of the character, I feel.
Aris the type of nigga to rig an explosive to a space ship and "That's launch punishable"
Damn dude, never seen Aris get tore up like this before. And on his main man Dragonuv to boot.....
Cain Bartlett Nah, Aris was on that Dragunov train back in TTT2, and maybe before
Matt Gade don't know why he continues fighting him Iam done after 3 matches bro
Mo_ Musashi_28 because he wants to get better?
^
Matt Gade his main is Josie
be respectful. he didn't have to upload this but he did to educate your asses and all yall do is flame the dude smh
Actually it's n0pants that uploads this stuff
ws2 -9f
ws1(14f launcher) -11
uf3+4 launch punishable (beware of '4' as second hit as low counter launch, and 3+4 as mid)
uf4 safe
uf44 -13 - 15f
db4 -13 - 14f
db3 -11
fc3 -15
f23 -10
You're right, that last string is a frame trap. Techinically, it puts her at -2, but her jab in backturn is 8 frames, so it will trade with any regular jab, and outspeed anything else. You're best best is probably crouch jab, but if you get too predictable with it, she can counter it with bt f+1+2 and throw you.
If you want to cheat, 4,1 is both high and high, and I don't believe it jails, so you can duck the 1 if you're quick enough and avoid the mixup all-together.
Raizex I believe some Ravens try bt f+3+4 in that scenario to crush lows but I haven't labbed it myself to see how viable it actually is
Her backturn jab is 8 Frames? Wow that's crazy
TheHartmann most chars with a bt stance have an 8frame jab to compensate
TheHartmann Yoshi's 2+3(counter... actually I forgot the actual command... but u know wut I am talking about) is 6 frames for crying out loud. Most reversals are 9 frames.
Fahd Furugi yeah Yoshi's flash is a bit special... i didnt know it was 6 frames (holy shit) but yeah...
love me some cyber punk ninja waifu
that is also thicc
Not thicc at all yo
it's a common mistake he prolly means she has some nice TnA, people don't really know that term is more for bbw's, or girls with a lil more meat on their bones
thicc doesn´t mean thick at this point...thicc is everything with a nice body (or most of the time nice and or big ass)
Thicc is for large thighs and ass and a 'thick' but not fat midsection.
If her belly droops or sags at all she isn't thick. She's a BBW.
But M.Raven isn't thicc. She's fit; the ass and thigh game just so happen to be on-point.
When Kongojack beats you 10-0 with Master Raven, demotes you twice while you are using arguably the best character in the game? KongoJack knows what he is doing.
too many drag players online. They become too predictable the more you fight them.
@hl co - Thanks. Original comment edited for clarity.
Good data ≠ best character. As we've seen with Jack being horrible on paper but there being mirror matches with him in Top16...
Even Nobi gets owned these days as so many people have started to use Sir Gay that you start to pick up on the little difference between his lows, mids, and high animations. It sucks because my friend is new and like him but I'm too used to seeing that shit that I just end up punishing or low parrying that shit.
Even so, there are still good Drag players who aren't slouches. Good player = good character performance. That's what it boils down to
Man it's tough seeing my dawg get trashed like this
please don't joke about sending cops to your house Aris
Aris 'bout to get swatted on stream
CaesarCJ15 we need new material for those compilations man
*swat team comes in* Aris: "thats ok, but please be cool and keep it down."
ima rewatch this so much for the tech and info on raven
That is exactly what I'm doing
Sad the part where he goes training mode against her isnt here :s
this player makes aris look bad
Devil Jin your not kidding
Aadrian S of course I'm kidding. they're both aris and kongojack are great players
Devil Jin my mistake
Aadrian S we forgive u bby
*lord aris for you stoner
Kongojack is no joke! You have alot of balls to upload a 30 minute video of you getting rekt 👏You're better than those who only upload videos of their wins.
Damn it kongo stop showing the world how sick Raven is. I like that there's only about 3 of us on PS4.
StaunchKillah There's four of us now ;) picked her up a few days ago
We are also uncommon on PC
I am in Team Raven
Yeah I consider her my alt but I use her more than any other character these days. Her playstyle is just too dope.
I tried using her for a couple weeks then got lazy lol
This is a perfect example of how tiers don't matter if you're not a fuckin scrub.
PsyPath that is so funny, back at mk9 i played with noob saibot and i could win pretty easily against good players, tiers matter more on tournament though
Lili aint hard hitting. ~Goodnight~
Hakim Durand More emphasis should be placed on the "hard-hitting" part of his comment. The way Aris put it, the weird characters and low skill-ceiling/easy execution characters are the good tournament characters.
Roderick Wrong. You got it the other way around. Tiers only matter if you're going to do a prolonged deathmatch. Otherwise, anything can happen if you're only doing best of 3 or best of 5. That is why tiers don't mean shit during tournaments.
Fuck a tier, play who you really dig... who knows, you might just flip that arbitrarily decided horse shit onto
its empty fucking head.
Always hype to see some good MR.
Well this makes me feel better about my recent ranked run, thanks Aris! lol
The beginning is too much gold.
Never seen Aris get wrecked like this before. Damn. Kongojack knows his shit!
good shit
xd
The beginning of a beautiful relationship!
Man, the things you can do with Master Raven. She has so much tools.
How does aris maintain his composure so easily. I'd be chucking my fight stick at the tv calling the other guy obscene names after the 3rd straight loss. But Aris just keeps his quan and rolls with it blaming himself for mistakes and trying to improve.
You answered your own question. Tekken is a game you can't get mad at because it's 99.9% your fault for your mistakes. You just gotta learn from getting your ass beat.
AF Raider Aris wasn't just handed this Quan on a silver platter. Search "Aris rage protect your ears" on YT
And to think he was a different man years before in the TTT2 age.
I love how quickly he changes tones. He goes from "fuck you dude, you suck" to "thanks for the donation, i appreciate it." All at the same person in a matter of 5 seconds. That shit kills me.
Aris got stomped harder than the yard
I love watching raven. She's so difficult to pick up for this beginner, but now I want to even more.
Did you stick with her? This is my first Tekken and I'm in my third week only learning Raven. wondering if it will pay off or should i learn the game with someone with more fundamentals. because this is hella difficult.
I've never seen Raven in this game (or at all really) before but she has some crazy shit with the teleport.
Nopants must of been mad at aris. Why else would you upload this humiliation!?
Deee Beee he upload anything good even he embarrassed himself.
he upload a story about him been drunk
Master Raven players are more rare than wi-fi warriors on ps4 ... Oh wait ...
makes my day when he loses demotion risks
Man. Master Raven looks pretty damn dope in the hands of this guy
kongojack raven just so fluid its crazy
"British Rupies"
Hey guys I wanna ask u a question is there a way I can play with anyone around the world with good connection?
TheFightingGamer look up internet connection latency. you'll figure it out once you start reading about it.
Lol ur reaction is funny and u stayed very calm
I main Raven too and I usually do well against Dragunovs for some reason. Maybe it's Dragunovs Achilles heel
That first game tho
jeeez imagine if that raven ended combos with BT3+4, uf3+4,4,2 instead of BT2,3, b1
Keanu Linkers I wondered that as well. uf3+4,4 & b2,2,3 are the most common wall enders but this guy sticks with b2,3 b1 for some reason. Maybe it gives better oki or wall setups
jay kj tourney players always seem to favor Oki/mixup reset options- this being my observation/opinion as a longtime tekken and blazblue fan
Jesus Kongojack is such a beast
What do you guys feel about a Dark Souls fighting game?
agha jan try Soul Calibur
+rd nx
I have. I'm just interested in what would people think about a fighting game based on Dark Souls' lore.
agha jan damn, never thought of that... Gwyn Vs Seath in the Dregg Heap lol
+Will Yaz
I'd be really down for that.
His Maven custom in Godly.
SAVE THE RECEIPT!!!
Am I going crazy or are there beep noises throughout this video
GO KONGO! GO KONGO! GO GO GO KONGO!
Got damn Raven got more leg than a bucket of chicken.
ONLY fighting game I know atm where tiers dont matter is tekken just because it's all hard reads.
Only time it matters are in tournaments where sets can be longer than 2. Thats when tiers start showing their colors
Ghost1170 tell that to JDCR, Saint, and Anakin. All Jack players...
Aris had to keep it down after these matches
Most of the damage was wall based, but ggs. nothing like some good Tekken
Is M. Raven a hard counter to Dragunov or is Aris unfamiliar with the match-up? I've never seen him get drug like this.
neither really. this guy's just a better player
asher Well they both play multiple characters, Dragunov isn't Aris's best pick.
Kongojack has been practising for a tournament & Aris has never played against a really good Raven so he didn't really know the matchup...despite this being his 2nd encounter with Kongo
hi man it is a sony 4 or xbox
I wish my Raven was this good...I guess I better take some notes, train hard and often, and MAYBE my Raven will reach his/her level one day
Final score?
Khandar William Something like 13-1 I think
Thanks for the post NoPants.
I'm 25 min in and have to stop watching this. Seeing Aris dropping combos he rarely drops. Combos that even I can pull off.... guess it's just one of those days. I'm sure he'll be back in form tomorrow after some big dinner and time in the lab w/ Master Raven.
Call the amberlance
Why does aris prefer iWS 4 instead of d2 after counter hit fff2?
I'm not sure about what the optimal combos are or anything, but I think it's muscle memory to him at this point. And Aris is a big advocate of sticking with the combos you know you can pull off consistently rather than the ones that are harder. So I'm guessing it's more of just that that's what he's used to.
range. d+2 leaves you a 2 frames forward, getting close with ws4 is closer.
iws4 makes drag closer to opponent instead of d2
I use iws4 too cuz my muscle memory locked to iws4 and doing d2 kindda weird for me now
I like his set ups. Him and Goattack are go to MR players
She can wall carry me anytime 😍
Woah she got teleport canceles... dope
lol it's not useful. it's mostly there for style
Cusses homeboy out then says welcome to the chatroom atpRtsd
oh i saw this live, it was brutal
Is aris better with drag or king?
Benjamin Lee king
Definitely King.
Benjamin Lee He's a higher rank with King also.
It feels good to see Drag getting fucked up.
😂😂 I got fucked up by so many Drag online.
I even know how to punish most of his moves without going to practice, just to show much I got fucked up by this character.
Aris looks desperate in this game lol.
after that first fight hahahahaha holy shit drop city.
duude, you got rekt
Aris got rekt
son of a bitch, his raven is too good...
The great british rupee
Aris my dude I think you spent too much time away from your boy dragunov. And for everyone saying he's better with King, I'm pretty sure any tournaments he's been in the past he's used Dragunov. Distance makes the skills go 💩
solid Raven player
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAALL THEEE COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPSS!!!!!!
I used to main raven, but i was really more combo focused rather than mix up focused and thats what caused me to lose so much with raven. Gonna try and pick her up again and see if i can get good with her.
Lucifer Verone it's not just about mix-ups. You need to learn how to think while fighting and how to learn your opponent's habits while fighting them. I think he mentioned a few books to read to get better at fighting games. One I've read specifically is The Art of War. It's a good read regardless if you play fighting games or not.
🙏
i think it's better to block the qcf2 of mraven
JESSROCKED Gaming Yes qcf2 is launch punishable on block. But she can quickly change it to a mid during the animation or cancel the move all together.
I think hat raven player is a Filipino. Filipino tekken players love to put pressure and unnecessary movement on their characters
and... i gotta get gud w/ Master Rave haha she so fun to play
28:37 harada.
I think aris is tilted in this video, i mean his brain wont move his finger to do what he wants. Are u tired or something aris?
Freeline Crosser He mentioned on one stream something about not enjoying playing with Dragunov as much as the other characters he plays.
Ok
Rival match
Your dragonuv blows but your king is insanely good
i wonder how his king would be against kongo raven.
Install scp server for the dualshock 3 controller, so it works in every game.
Wtf! Arise playing horrible
It still really bothers me that Aris hasn't customized his costumes yet
Kadeem The Dream whos stoner is this?
He never will
"Yet". LOL. He's not going to.
he says customize is for bitchs
I usually don't customize my characters when i play ranked. Idk why tho lol
Wow..
Since when is raped allowed on youtube?
Poor aris.
I will report this video for rape
Aye
ggs, that was me
I wanna learn raven but my god is she complex
She is not very complex bro
+Ayy Lmao master*
she's easier to learn than Nina. the complexity is in the movelist but definitely fun
git gud :)
Now I'm not acting like I know everything about Tekken; hell, I'd have a hard time convincing anyone I even know how to competently play it, but it seems like Raven needs way too much work for way too little payoff. Maybe it's easier to pull off then it looks but all those combos and strings looked like chip damage
Raven is fine. Her combos do massive dmg if there is a wall. Infinite stages is where she lacks. Tell that to lee who is harder than raven to master.
lee is way safer though. the real challenge is having good defense as a raven player.
Defense applies to every character, not just Raven.
Duh?
"the real challenge is having good defense as a raven player" You make this sound like this is exclusive to her when it's not. Raven isn't hard tbh.
51 views but 4 likes?
butter beef that makes sense though
lol someone got his shit pushed in