Crashing Just 20 Seconds After Takeoff (The Invisible Killer)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Pan Am Flight 759 is a regularly scheduled domestic passenger flight from Miami to San Diego, with en route stops in New Orleans. However, an invisible force causes the Boeing 727 flying this route to crash immediately after taking off from New Orleans. 12 Years later, under similar bad weather conditions, a Qantas Boeing 747 crashes after landing in Bangkok. Find out what really happened.
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That was a bad one. But it's also the clearest explanation I've seen of wind shear and microbursts. Well done!
Its unfortunate even though over the years implemented or installed equipment that was able to detect micobursts or wind shear (s). Also over the years systems in place on aircraft with more updated capability of meteorological forecasts.
The question is if certain parts of the United States, mainly southern states, are so prone to thunderstorms, hail. Why even at that time even consider implementing equipment at airports to prevent aircraft flying in/or out to prevent any incident (s).
@@kay9549 We all know it’s money. And that’s the sickening thing. I have heard some carriers require them but not all. An air journalist would have a better idea.
@@marcdraco2189 perhaps so, in some respects, passengers that travel using either bus, train or air they do expect to get from point a to point b w/o any worries. We are generally speaking of air travel, passengers expect or not more from the aircraft and flight crew to have them travel in safety.
Pilots learn early on, you don't mess with thunderstorms! On one of my training flights, we saw a thunderstorm settle over the airport while my instructor and I were still out at the practice area. We wait for the thunderstorm to pass before returning to landing. The edge of the thunderstorm was a good 5 miles away and everything looked clear, but as I came in to land, just before crossing the threshold, the aircraft was pushed sideways by a good 60 feet such that I was no longer over the runway. Of course, I immediately performed a go-around, came back and landed safely, but that was quite the learning experience.
Great job!
@@nenblom Thanks! It scared the shit out of me when it happened!
Sad part is that in New Orleans we always have thunderstorms, but many people never even heard of microburst because we're used to dealing with Hurricanes and Twisters in our area (which usually occurs during the night). If flights were cancelled due to bad weather there no aircraft would ever take off nor land there, unfortunately.
Unfortunately they perhaps were unaware on takeoff, they were flying directly into a microburst, unable to recover from it.
If the weather was so, could they have waited and taken off later on
Have to admit when I see TWA, Panam or Eastern I relax knowing this was a long time ago.
Those three were great airlines.
@@JL-db2yc yes do remember those airlines as well, such beautiful crafts, why ahead of there time/era, in design of the craft.
Just going to add pan am was such a beautiful craft w/the upper level and bulbous nose. Pan am was known as "clippers".
I see twa
@@kay9549 Clipper (not plural) was their call sign ding dong. A nod to the flying boat era.
Great video's. I look forward to them weekly, yesterday I was missing them. And coincidentally, I had re-watched the Kenner one this morning. Before this appeared. Wind shear and microbursts, powerful weather phenomenon. And I had not seen the Quantas incident before.
Microbursts are terrifying. Delta 191 also crashed because of one, and 137 people died. Never underestimate Mother Nature!
Eastern 66 is another famous microburst crash (1975, JFK airport)..113 of 124 on board killed.
Zenphire this happen so long ago 40 + have they learnt how dangerous micobursts can be. The weather from the airport perhaps have not been updated, if it was not relayed to crew. The question is why would they consider flying in such bad weather. Hopefully after all this time have learnt "mother nature" does not play. Were they aware on takeoff that they were flying right into an existing microburst that they were not able to recover.
It's especially those too crashes, as well as Eastern 66 in New York 1975 that led to the introduction of Radar based windswept detection systems and no microbust crash has happened with Airliners since
Why didn’t the airport close down the airport?
@@henrymcmiller2527 that an excellent question, they should have suspended all incoming/outgoing flights until the weather improved. If they were expected any incoming flights have them use there alternative (s) airports.
I met this Southwest captain who was flying that day and they were ahead of the Pan Am for take off, he lined up, looked at the weather and canceled his takeoff and decided to wait. He knew it did not look good. He said he saw the Pan Am lift off, bank a little and flew into the wall of rain and clouds and never saw him again
If I had known of the bad weather I wouldn't have gotten on the plane.
Thanks - that's interesting - 2 different perspectives of the same situation leading to different outcomes for the respective passengers - very sad
It’s almost like saying look mom no hands!
@joelt4416 a question is if this area experiencing bad weather; thunderstorms, rain, hail. Why did not the airport suspend any incoming/outgoing flights till weather improved. Or close airport till weather improved. The craft involved; were they given updated metrological weather report (s) or not. Over all a great call for Southwest captain, even though lined up on runway; decided not to roll out, take off for flight. This happen so many years ago; homes that were situated unfortunately beyond the airport runway threshold. Many lives lost, aircraft, also on ground. After all these years equipment were put in place to avoid an incident to ever happen again.
@@kay9549 that is a valid question indeed
Microbursts are incredibly strong. Last one here snapped my large beech tree in half. I was hoping for some survivors of this accident.😢
@cherrynarb4651 not sure, this happen so long ago, don't believe there was any, unfortunately.
@cherrybarb4651 hopefully we have learnt from previous experiences. They say over the years air travel is safe. Have not flown for many a year; if I did would either car pool; or take the train. Be well 👧.
Since you did a plane crash in New Orleans.. do a stimulator on a plan crash involving a News Anchor.. her name is Nancy Parker.. she did a story on an old airplane at the LakeFront Airport in the East of New Orleans.. she did the story and minutes later she got into airplane with the Captain and flew but minutes later something went wrong the plane and it crashed.... Nancy Parker was a kind beautiful and caring news reporter who work in New Orleans for almost 3 decades before death
@missyTL did check on ms parker, news anchor for NO channel for many years. At that time she was doing an interview w/pilot unfortunately craft did crash unfortunately. What a beautiful individual, dearly missed, leaving a husband, three children. I'm not from NO, just saying many years my schooling was in the southern states, Alabama, Georgia. Love the southern hospitality, such a slower pace.
@@kay9549We need that southern hospitality up here in the North (Chicago)
@@kay9549 Nancy was a real treasure for New Orleanians. Her loss was severely felt by all and she is very sorely missed, but remembered with love.
@@Alexaklr yes absolutely, viewed a few videos. Nancy was a transplant from Alabama to New Orleans, but she never forgot where her roots began. Nancy was a beautiful person, inside and out. Yes agree, Nancy is dearly missed.
they can't do a simulator reconstruction because there is no data. They need black box data for that and there was none. Not sure why you call it an "old" plane...
A situation I haven't seen yet on The Flight Channel is one I remember long ago, a plane was either taking off or landing at Newark Airport in NJ and it ended up landing on the NJ Turnpike. The cause was identified as wind shear. I think this was when wind shear was first being recognized.
I remember watching your videos 6 years ago. Great job on every video you made.
My father always said, when you're not gaining altitude, the throttles go thru the instrument panel and you pray.
Fun fact, the Qantas 747 was repaired and put back into service. Qantas are still ranked #1 in safety for never having a 'hull loss' accident. Mentour pilot has a good reaction video to a turboprop encountering a microburst on take off. Scary to see!
It really was a hull loss, but Qantas decided to repair it simply to avoid it being counted as one.
I remember when this happened because I was home and lived in New Orleans East. The aircraft crashed one block from my friend's house (he was at home when it happened) and saw the carnage. NTSB tried to blame the crash on "pilot error", then changed their accusation when they discovered that a microburst had occurred at that moment. It went down as we were going thru a typical thunderstorm which happened all the time in the South. All souls on the aircraft and some on the ground were lost and it was a very long time before the neighborhood recovered from the tragedy.
@mw5673 yes unfortunately the southern states do experience unusual metrological phenomenons. Hopefully after all these years, metrologicical weather reporting has much improved; for aircraft, passengers, overall everyone that may be in the vicinity of airport (s); whether location southern states or elsewhere. Just a side note lived in Alabama/Georgia. Understand weather abnormalities; that those states are unfortunate to experience metrologicical abnormalities. You don't mess with mother nature; overall she will be the winner.
@mw5673 quite sure in was; to recover from such a tragic even
event
This is a great video shows the visual of the plane and how it reacted while explaining it.
I remember the terrible accident in Kenner (near New Orleans airport). It was a gloomy rainy day. The tragic loss of lives on the airplane and in the neighborhood was devastating. It was summer and kids were home, most who died or injured were children and their mothers. One infant girl miraculously survived because she was covered by a mattress or other type cushion. I knew three families who lived nearby but were not in the direct path. Thank you for the informative video.
I was a very frequent flyer years ago. I never liked the 727. Always felt underpowered to me. Taking off from Mexico City was a white knuckle ride on a 727 because the plane used every inch of the runway before lifting off.
I used to fly out of Chicago midway on ATA back in the day and their 727’s used all 6500 feet of 31C to get airborne!
@robsoto6340 And that was basically sea level. Mexico City city sits a 7350ft. That 727 was sucking wind to get off the ground. They would taxi the plane to the point where the dirt ended and the runway started. We'd be rolling down the runway, then passed the landing stripes at the other end of the runway, and still hadn't lifted off. This is why I always ordered doubles in first class before pulling away from the gate.
@@nvpoolshooterto
I've seen an incident where a 727 landed safely after it went through multiple G+/- forces that would break into pieces any new generation aircraft.
This kind of made me respect the old 727.
Fantastic graphics as always, and the new shorter format is great , thanks
The industry simply didn’t know that much about microbursts at the time. It wasn’t until Delta 191 went down in Dallas in 1985 did a more aggressive stance toward the phenomenon Take place. With the technology and procedures in place the last 30 years neither the PanAm nor the Delta accident would have happened.
they knew about microburst in 1975 when Eastern 66 crashed on approach to JFK. That was a landmark crash that lead to development of the LLWS or Low Level Wind Shear alerting system.
Wiki says: The damage was such that the aircraft was initially a write-off, but to preserve its reputation Qantas had it repaired at a cost of approximately AU$100 million (the exact figure was never disclosed by Qantas).[4] Returning the aircraft to service enabled Qantas to retain its record of having no hull-loss accidents since the advent of the Jet Age, and also proved to be the more economical option for the time, as a new 747-400 was listed close to $200 million.
This was the reply I was hoping to find, since I was questioning Qantas’ zero hill loss record.
Aw, this was a very sad and tragic accident which I clearly recall. Pan Am (1980) had acquired National Airlines which gave PA immediate access to domestic routes in the US. Pan Am had previously been well known for her international destinations. This Miami, New Orleans, Las Vegas, San Diego trip was formerly National's - a solid airline back in the day.
In the second crash, there was poor communication between the Captain and First Officer, which would have also been a contributing factor in the overrunning of the runway.
Yes, poor CRM, followed by the mistake made by the Captain when retarding only three of the four throttle levers. He had the authority in that cockpit and should have set the example by communicating clearly the decision to cancel the go-around, communicating he would take control of the aircraft, for example.
I had a retired airline captain tell me a long time ago that he and a group of pilots flew that New Orleans scenario in one of the airline's simulators multiple times and none of them could make that plane fly no matter what they did.
But how could they have prevented this accident?
@raybates3119 unfortunately even w/equipment in place after this incident. You mentioned the same scenario utilizing the simulator; no recovery at all. Realizing you don't mess with mother nature; unfortunately she does have the upper hand; she will prevail. Hopefully after all these years we have better guidelines, metrological updates that are current.
Great vid, as always. Sterling work.
It's still fascinating to see the brand new N.O. International Airport terminal in the video.
Question on first scenario: Takeoff thrust is usually determined by a combination of the plane's takeoff weight, runway length, and environmental conditions, so that if you don't have to burn fuel at maximum thrust, you can save the airline some money. Can I assume that, given the bad weather, the 727 pilot would have selected maximum thrust for takeoff?
Thanks. I was wondering, too, as the full thrust of three engines and a light load should have done it, maybe. Too bad about the noise.
Yes, and if you listed to the CVR, they turned the packs OFF for more power, which are the air cycle machines for the air conditioning and pressurization.
@@skyboy1956 Thank you.
I'd be fibbing if I said that I didn't hold a carrier like Qantas to a higher standard of flight crew communication and risk management standards. The accident flight, Flight 1, was an absolute crap show of preventable errors.
Luckily the grass outside the runway was wet and boggy to help the plane slow down, glad no injuries or fatalities
Anyone else finding it hard to get on a plane.....after watching too many of these videos ?
Me! I can't fly any longer. I was supposed to go to Japan and my Doctor refused to prescribe an Rx for valium. I'd definitely need a minimum of 10 mgs just to get on the plane. As it turned out, our plans changed and now the trip is up in the air, so to speak.
I have always had a fear of flying, and then I read about these crashes, and with my luck, I will never fly again
I think we must remember these videos are mostly about past accidents because there are so few such crashes today. In the US, only a single passenger has died aboard a commercial jetliner on a domestic flight in the last 23 years !! Of course, given that Boeing is now run by sociopaths, such confidence could be wiped out at any time.
@@cchris874 Right....instead of fear of Flying...it's now Fear of Boeing.!
Maybe with a non American flight crew
Just completed a buffalo-atlanta flight and the return trip. Happy to say, my flights will NOT be featured on this channel 😅
Amigo thanks I always wanted a good explanation on this kind of fenomenonds that can ocurre at any time that's one of situations any pilot wants to avoid from Barranquilla Colombia 🇨🇴 😀
Im born and raised in New Orleans. I was 11 years old when flight 759 crashed and will never forget hownit affected people here.
Im now a mail carrier in Kenner where the airport is located. Ive walked the mail route where 759 crashed and if you stand in the spot where the main wreckage came to rest at the corner of Taylor St and 18th St. and look back in the proper direction the plane came in at, you can actually still see the line through the trees leading right where the plane hit the ground.
It actually gradually rolled left as it descended and the left wing hit first.
Of all the death and destruction, there was one amazing survival story when a few hours after the crash and 8 month old(i believe) young girl was pulled from a destroyed home. In 2022, on the 40th anniversary of the crash the local news did a story on her and the firefighter who saved her.
I remember the PanAM Flight 759 crash. I lived in nearby Metairie, LA.
The reason why, if you move near an airport, probably not the best idea to locate in-line with the runway.
Honestly that would be the least of my worries. How much would it suck to live that close to a runway in general...the constant noise/commotion...I'd be praying for a plane to come into my living room to put me out of my misery.... especially if you owned.
Or is there something I'm missing?
@@Craig-dm5tw Personally, I would *love* to live by my local airport, but it would be the light airplane airport, where I incidentally have an aircraft. However, shortsighted people have made that area a depressed hellhole, go figure.
This doesn't really change anything, since where I live we are under the flightpath of the major airport. I can usually count one every 20 minutes or so. They don't bother me. I just look up to see what kind of aircraft it is. My grandfather used to live under the flightpath of LAX, a very busy airport, and I just thought of it as the normal background noise. Since I was a child, an airplane flying overhead was to me a source of wonder, and eventually an urge to go up there myself. If you are the kind of person that gets annoyed by the fact people fly, ok. That ain't me.
Frankly, idiots drag racing on the boulevard a few blocks away are more annoying. They seem to want to make as much noise as possible.
@@scottfranco1962 I don't care if people want to fly...where did you get that idea?... I just don't like loud noises.
@@scottfranco1962 actually, to be honest, I have to live in the middle of nowhere...I kinda hate everybody....I mean I'm binging disaster videos...
@@Craig-dm5tw Bad news on that... loud noises and flying tend to go hand in hand.
Good video. Thank you.
Not trying to be sarcastic but when reading the notes I dumbed it down to, "oh windshear is just air pushing the plane to the ground." Got it
It could also lift it or move it left/right. But yes, the downdraft is the most dangerous.
The Pan Am crash was just so sad. They really never had a chance. RIP 145 souls. Quantas was really caused by the Captain, just interfering with his First Officer without letting him know what he was doing and why. Luckly no deaths, but there were 38 injuries.
Well, in regards to the first incident, it's my hope that planes no longer simply take off in bad weather and are held until it passes away from the take-off or landing area.....I would think that unless it's an emergency, that is the only time worthy of trying to land a plane with this kind of severe weather present.........I guess "we" always have to learn the hard way....meaning, human lives, sadly............
It would have been nice to do Delta 191 for a microburst video. If we ever can get to it, I would like to see FedEx 705, the US Airways-Metroliner incident at LAX, Turkish 981, and Alaska 261.
thank you for not starting the video with the end.👍
The weather in this part of the country s*cks. Rain storms, thunder, lightning, and the highest humidity you can imagine.
I am saddened by the fact that these pilots were not aware enough to wait until the weather had passed.
I think the 747 was repaired despite deemed uneconomical so Qantas could claim no loss of hull.
That's True !
That’s how to plough a field!
With a forecast like that, I'm staying home - especially nowadays when you might have a couple of DEI hires in the cockpit, incapable of flying their way out of a wet paper sack with a radar vector.
Who buys a house at the end of a runway
Discounts are not always a safe buy!
I buy a house at the back of the runway😂
Can we assume all souls onboard flight 1 survived ?
Yup. All survived.
Probably not the most significant Quantas incident as it says at 08:59. That would be the one in 2009 involving an Airbus. It lead to broken bones, broken spine, broken lives. The documentary on that incident was very sad to watch.
Weather wise July/Aug are probably more risky than winter.
microbursts :double whammy hits you on the way in hits you on the way out
C'mon TheFlightChannel, PanAm 759's next schedule stop was Las Vegas. The flight went from Miami to San Diego with stops in New Orleans and Las Vegas.
Are there any modern radar systems to identify this?
Yes, there are.
Yes there are, and ATC regularly gives us advisories for low-level wind sheer. Additionally, modern commercial aircraft can detect the effects of wind sheer and will provide an warning to the pilots.
Yes. Aircraft also give windshear advisories and warnings to pilots in the cockpits. Advisory is advising of potential windshear and then the warning requires the pilots to execute the windshear escape manoeuvre (TOGA and other things must be done, mem items).
Yeap, every once in a while you hear a Delta airliner “going around due to WS warning”.
Pan Am plus 3 engines what could go wrong?
Will be a sad day when an A380 video is made
Not sure how these two incidents are related, other than pilot error…
Greetings. How do you do sirs?
New video let's watch
Was Longreach the name of this Qantas 747 or were they all called Longreach?
My goodness, the Qantas incident sure was a cluster fcuk of epic proportions. The Captain sure was a moron. If he had let the co pilot just land or once the thrust leavers were advanced continue with the go around he had ordered things would have turned out fine.
Not sure the pilots of the Pan Am flight could have done anything in the short time space and I'm not sure how you train for this situation either. Puzzled as to why the Qantas flight was part of this video: was microburst a factor here too?
How about all the people on board? Any casualties?
My uncle was a lawyer in New Orleans and said that an acquaintance of his missed this flight because he was so drunk.
Is this TheFlightChannel? Something has changed. The quality is lacking.
Dear tfc i hope you read this i have a question when will we get and actual new video?
We'll never find out what's really going on with TFC I fear. It's sad because I found this to be a wonderful channel in the past. When nobody catches the misspelled Septemberly, which was in the previous video, you know something is happening behind the scenes.
@@JaniceWithTheTarlovCysttwa airlines flight 800 has crashed on a fuel tank
The story of a very lucky plane, and a very unlucky plane.
Says the pilot in the 727 took off at 7200 feet down the runway. Did those old 727's take that long to get airborne??? Or did the pilot perform a reduced power takeoff?? You would think that with a thunderstorm you would want full power, those engines screaming to get you airborne and build up airspeed(more lift) and altitude as quick as possible.
That second one was just plain stupid, as opposed to the first crash which was unavoidable due to lack of winds shear technology.
That is why I would never have a house near the ends of runways either end. Side on is much safer if you have to live near an airport.
Microbursts are Mother Nature body-slamming a plane out of the sky. Shit is no joke.
Quantas flight 1 must have been devastating to Rainman.
You did remaster Qantas Flight 1, which is a good thing.
Before anyone says this channel got sold off to a new owner, it didn’t. If it did, either the original owner or the new owner would have told us.
or at least Santa Claus would have told us the truth, right? Come on, Santa and/or this channel owner wouldn't tell us lies.
Is it a new video or Reupload?
Reupload
@@LuchinoBruttomesso thanks. Gonna skip it then.
another
or
Should start reporting it...
1:29 sería bueno que para ciertas zonas de sudamérica pudieran hacer el video en español y gracias
Hey could you do the recent fedex landing (when theirs more info)
What’s the use? They shouldn’t even allow the plane to even leave the ground and bad weather like that. I used to live in Louisiana. I live there for seven years. I know the weather can play hell it’s very dangerous. I wish they would get their heads out of their butts and start thinking about the people and stop killing them in bad weather. This is sad and terrible.😢😢😞😡🤷♂️ I myself will not fly in bad weather.👎✈️🛩️
Why didn’t they just wait until the storm was past?
Let me say, Any Take off or Landing accidents where most people or pilots are Okay, Let us praise they are good souls.
Don't say you take a break in your channel
8:52 most dangerous qantas flight
Dear Lord this has to be one of the worst I’ve seen.
Curious what was the point of combining these two incidents? They didn’t seem to have any significant correlation. And I’d say the quantas flight got off easy given how many mistakes were made.
I would never live near a airport...never.
it would be pretty loud, but there is a very very low chance of a crash that affects you. but because the planes can be annoying pretty much only aviators would love to be there.
I don't worry about Windshear in my Nissan.
fianlly, not re-upload
actually, this is a re-upload.
@@aviationreid >:c
Why would they travel in bad weather?
You kind of have to in the gulf, as there are thunderstorms practically daily. The whole system would be chaos, as the delays spread across the entire country. BUT, I believe it is official FAA manate that flights shall not be intentionally conducted near T-storm activity. At least it used to be.
Looking at the title and not watching the video I'm guessing, and I'll be right, that windsheer is the culprit.
I don't fly and this, along with a handful of other reasons, is why.
Greed for profit kills.
Watch the video then point to the greed. Keep in min the people in control of the aircraft are sitting up in the pointy end too so generally self preservation rules over greed.
@@glennrishton5679 The greed is the company forcing the plane off the ground. When weather conditions are risky, planes should stay on the ground.
Old re-uploaded video
always was a poor excuse for an airline and to be avoided
3K VIEWS IN 1 HOUR!?
With a million and a half subscribers, of course.
The pilots should never of left the Airport.
I guess that's debatable.
microburst whars about the frist one DAL191 L1011 captain
Just crashed into trees
Another reupload...
It’s a repost
Sneed
Another reupload?!?! Done with this channel, will stick with GreenDot Aviation...
That was a cheap flight. What the hell do they expect for thirty bucks?
100th comment :D
138th here hahahaha
😂😂😂😂
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Aww all the little crybabies won’t be able to cry about a re-upload. Aww poor ittle babies.
it's re uploaded pretty sure some people are confirming don't know for sure though
It is reuploaded @@637wywrd
That's interesting they found the cause of the accident 42yrs ago when technology didn't even exist back then for investigators to piece together. Microbursts musta been somewhat new to aviation, not knowing exactly how it worked.
Please sey it new video 😭😭😭😞😭
Unfortunately No.
First here 😊
Damn... 😂
If I wanted to read, I'd pick up a book. It's TH-cam, not Youread...(& listen to annoying, invasive, loud plane sounds.)