I was indoctrinated at 3 years of age. Spent 49 years slaving for the corporation. I did not have critical thinking skills. I served as an elder and pioneer for many years. I gave my life, energy, finances, youth, mental health to this ugly grift. Only to be spit out because I was no longer useful. Asked to many questions. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Colorado. 🙋
I was born in the religion and lived half my life in Australia and refused to salute the Australian flag at school, I always felt alone in making these sacrifices, I met Nathan Knorr in 1969 at the Melbourne assembly when I was 6 years old. I vividly remember Frederick Franz giving a talk about 6000 years of mans existence coming to an end in 1975, they were getting ready for you know what.
I was held up by my hair in grade school for not saluting the flag. Yes what a shame it was all for nothing. They needed the persecution check box and we kids suffered for it. @@MartySeeks
@@MartySeeks lol Matthew 16:16 Simon Peter answered [To Jesus]: “You are the Christ, the SON.. of THE LIVING GOD.” Jeremiah 10:10 But Jehovah is truly God. HE IS... - THE LIVING GOD - and the eternal King. Because of his indignation the earth will quake, And no nations will endure his denunciation. John 17:3 Jesus said praying to Jehovah: This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Ya, because when we were young, Watchtower said “If you’re a young person, you will have to face the fact that you will never grow old in this system of things.” What a lie.
❤ woke survivor here, having been born into both the abusive cult & and abusive practicing family, my heart aches from all the painful memories, yet i thank God for surviving & for the strength to escape both, as soon as i came of age to do so; soon thereafter, my father began questioning “the organization,” too much, on various topics & ultimately stepped down as an elder, so much damage done
I got baptized in 1975 . I serve WT faithful until I became informed about CSA. Australian Royal Commission was a HUGE desapointment for me. I honestly can't believe WT could hide 1006 unreported cases of child abuse in Australia alone since 1959 up to 2015 ...and same time telling the sheep 🐏: We need to keep the congregation clean... I almost lost my mind... I,m out. But I,m still a believer because is not Almighty GOD,s fault, or Crist fault.... No worries Almighty GOD YHVH appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring the correct judgment to everyone individually including the GB. There is a separation going on right now, and many people don't take note it. Registered in Matteus chapter 13. Our responsibility as Cristians is to fallow Crist foot steps and stay faithful to the very end. Don't lose your faith. You are not the only one who feels this way... But Almighty GOD YHVH and Crist still loves and protects the faithful ones.
I have been feeling just what you said. It is tiring to figure it all out. It saddens me that religion has destroyed the faith of many, or maybe they never had faith? All I know is this life is way too short to waste time on pointless debates! Very profound thoughts and good luck trying to help the younger generations get it!
I appreciate a real man, masculine, like you speaking your heart. It’s a misogynistic raping by weak men… how apathetic it is is the hardest part. Thanks for those shoulders we didn’t have.
Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts. I am a former JW, I left the cult 20 years ago. It takes time, but you will find your place and a worldview you are at peace with. Best regards.
Consider that atheists are people of faith. Christians are people of belief and hope. So much more conversation is needed to find out more than we really know.
I was raised in and left the WT in 1999 at the age of 38, in order to escape my abusive JW husband. I married him at the age of 17. It took many years of counseling to get past his abuse and the fear of the dying at the hands of a loving God! I have never looked back. We are each accountable by our own lives and acts toward others, not by the discretion of JW’s. They say they were doing Jehovah’s work, yet not inspired by his Holy Spirit. I look forward to seeing the local body who professed to know things that I was doing, that even I did not know! They judged me apparently with the knowledge of things that I did not do. I look forward to asking what was the source of such knowledge…
I'm always saddened to hear of sisters who have had an controlling husband and the effect and footprint it leaves on them, the elders are just hopeless at spotting this.
There’s a malevolent, hateful old elder in the congregation were fading from who cuts people off and jabs his finger at them and then a voice. It sounds like it’s from hell itself tells them that they did things they never did before. It’s like he’s got a demonic crystal ball that he knows everything even though you’ve never even spoken to the creep before. A real hateful piece of work and I thought it was just him and I’ve come to realize there are these types of men in all of the congregations around the world. The one that we thought was a friend he was the more covert narcissist who like to hide behind the over one that was always pointing his fingers. They’re both in their 80s and their children are so scarred and want nothing to do with anybody.the younger generation is just like them. They have the green light to be from Bethel itself. The fish always stinks from the head down.
Gentle hugs, sister. I survived an attempted murder from my violent ex. I wasn’t expected to survive. Thank goodness I did. Where are three-year-old son who watched him try to kill me would’ve been killed too. The elders refused to do anything about it. As soon as I was safe to move, I had to be hidden by Quaker woman because they were pounding down. The doors of suspected sympathizers to drag me back to him. And then when my son got older, I came to find out he was also and still as a violent pedophile.
I'm in my late 60s and totally agree, blink and you missed it. Brought up as a JW, been fully out 25 years, and know I wasted the best younger years in a cult. Fortunately I was successful in business so now have a very comfortable retirement, but acknowledge I'm one of the exceptions amongst xjws or JWs, so many waste their best years and now struggle.
I faded around 1990 and married a Catholic girl, I was savvy with some shares, so I should retire on a sizable amount and no debts or mortgage, but my life has whizzed by and I didn't see it coming.
@@MartySeeks I found once I hit 50, the years just whiz pass, it's scary. After I left WT, early 40s,and getting a divorce from my fanatical ex wife who was a devout but highly hypocritical person, life just got better year by year. Now remarried to an amazing woman who never was a JW so have an uncomplicated marriage. BTW are you in UK or Australia?
As an Atheist, I fully agree with you. I'm not sure why you think your argument is compelling. It may feel more comfortable to convince yourself that you get two lives, but that isn't a persuasive argument. If you dedicate this life to the promise of a second, well, at least you will be spared the disappointment.
It was a difficult day when I came to the conclusion I was going to die even though I was DF'd at the time. I was out for many years and still believed they had the truth until I started to research the child abuse claims. The 2 major things that made me realize they are just a con game were in court under oath a heavy said 1. "the only thing JW's offer is a spiritual protection" 2. G Jacksons ARC response to question "are the GB the only path to salvation"? and he said with his creepy smirk "that would be presumptuous". It was a gut punch. I'm embarrassed I supported these clowns.
I remember Jackson saying that, quite honestly, he missed an opportunity to propel his faith here, if he really believed they have the truth he should of stated it clearly. He was not courageous enough when it mattered most.
That's what I was thinking, they are constantly lying, why not lie about this? My guess is they didn't want the legal issues it might cause. Their goal is to protect the organization at all costs. What a sick group of men. @@MartySeeks
Exactly. I feel exactly same way. I got baptized in 1975...my parents, my brothers got baptized 1976, other family members too. I served WT faithful for decades. CSA was a turning point for me. I was, deeply desapointment when I observed Jeffrey Jackson trying to measlesding the lawyer at Australian Royal Commission!!! The lawyer had to ask him the same question several times until he finally got the correct answer!! What an hypocrite!!. I,m out . I,m still a Biblia believer.. No worries Almighty GOD YHVH appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring the correct judgment to everyone individually including the GB. There is a separation going on right now and many people don't take not of it. Registered in Matteus chapter 13. Our responsibility as Cristians is to fallow Crist foot steps and stay faithful to the very end. The rest is history.
Ex JW and atheist here. On your discussion of the atheist having nothing but the tangible and the person of faith having "the sure expectation of things although not yet beheld" I'd have to make a polite rebuttal. The moments I have with my wife, my family, the good and bad moments with people I care for (whether personally or professionally) I know are temporary and will never come again and therein lies the beauty, the wonder and the awe. To borrow from your present biblical perception of things a little more while faith may be likened to expectation, "expectation postponed makes the heart grow sick". The weight of expectation, the weight of longing for some indistinct future time is like being soaked to the bone in heavy clothes and waiting to dry off while standing in perpetual torrential rain. The answer isn't coming from the sky above I'd suggest the answer is going to come when you get somewhere warm and weather proof and take off the damp garb and appreciate being in the warmth with something meaningful to you. If some sort of religiosity gives you meaning then by all means, you do you. I honestly just felt better when I cast off the chains of superstition. As I've tried to get at, not trying to convert you to my way of thinking (I've done far to much of that when I was a JW) just trying to offer an alternative perspective for your consideration. All the best!
I like your reply, and I love illustrations to convey impactfull meaning, I think I should also use an illustration, we all have been given a promise of everlasting life if we exercise faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ, we all hold a IOU slip of paper, and on that slip it says, I the Creator do promise to give you life eternal on the condition you remain in the Christ. The slip of paper only has value if you endure to the end when God delivers on his promise, this is why people remain in the Christ to be rewarded by showing unshakeable faith that God will honour his promises.
@@MartySeeks Your argument isn't really that different from the JW position I was brought up with. Again, respectfully, I have to ask if your ideological position is not that different why are you outside of the JW's? Are you looking to build a congregation of your own on small differences or have you not been out that long and not fully appraised your stand point yet? It took me a long while to re-appraise my thinking when I left because it becomes a reflex action to cite JW talking points and ways of thinking.
@jodders619 No, my opinion is my own, and my hope isn't yet dashed, but only time will tell whether it remains that way. I always give hear to others who have been and no longer are fully attached to their former beliefs.
Hello Marty., I just watched your video as well as a few other channels, and I’m amazed that anyone could go for this nonsense ! It’s absolutely bananas ! I have a question for you, Why in the world would anyone want to be a Jehovah witness ?
Good question, the promise of something better did it for me, the support for God's Messianic Kingdom was also a factor, the free choice to dedicate your life was alluring. Believing that pain and suffering and death will be a thing of the past under GMK, living forever in full health also got me.
I must say this is your perspective about the religion if everyone on the planet was a JWS then everyone will be at peace. If jws do not have the truth there is NO truth IT DOES NOT EXIST 😂😂 This is coming from someone who was disfellowshipped as a teen.
My english is not so good but i'll try to explain what I think: the matter is as simple as what Paul said about a haus being built by someone and not being randomly brought to existence by caos. We are able to recognise that most of the existing things have a function. Logic sais that if a thing has a function, most likely, has to be a part of a larger design. Thus there must be an intelligent mind behind that. Thus faith is something tangible Next step:why the bible and not any other text. The book of Genesis for example offers the pattern to understand human history. Archeology prooved that everything started in the middle east: diffusion of man, agricolture, farming, fruit plants, first citys, schools and so on. No other text reporter that. The major reported events like the flood are impressed in the memory of almost every people around the world. The first discovered cultures around the world were peaceful and egualitarian as the faithfull people after the flood should have been. (War is supposed to start whit Nimrod).The pantheon of most indoeuropean religions match the fallen angels and the nephilim. Most of colture and religions of the world retain the serpent figure as either evil or wisdom related. And so on. There are endless evidences to sostein the faith. Next step: why the theology of Jehova's witnesses. Genesis talks about a tree of life. Jehova created spiritual being to live in heaven and fleashy beings to live on hearth. Thus no need for an immortal soul that lives independently of the body. Thus no need for an "hell"(what loving person would condemn someone to be burn forever ). Long story short: I think Jehova used this bunch of unperfect people to spread his "Word" across the earth.The main doctrines are correct. The slave is probably saing "The lord is being late" and started sharing whit the drunkhards.
Certainly history tells us that God always uses and has a people for his name who at times drop in and out of favour with him, logic tells me that he is using some group today, that group must be in support of his coming Kingdom.
Mark Twain 1835 to 1910 ,,I,m not afraid of being dead I was dead for billions upon billions of years before I was born and I never suffered the slightest inconvenience from it,, Justin Porter ex jw
Come out, Virginia, don't let me wait You Catholic girls start much too late Aw, but sooner or later it comes down to fate I might as well will be the one Well, they showed you a statue, told you to pray They built you a temple and locked you away Aw, but they never told you the price that you pay For things that you might have done Well, only the good die young That's what I said Only the good die young Only the good die young You mighta heard I run with a dangerous crowd We ain't too pretty, we ain't too proud We might be laughing a bit too loud Aw, but that never hurt no one So come on, Virginia, show me a sign Send up a signal, I'll throw you the line The stained-glass curtain you're hiding behind Never let's in the sun Darlin', only the good die young Whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa I tell ya only the good die young Only the good die young You got a nice white dress and a party on your confirmation You got a brand new soul Mmm, and a cross of gold But, Virginia, they didn't give you quite enough information You didn't count on me When you were counting on your rosary Oh-whoa-whoa And they say there's a heaven for those who will wait Some say it's better, but I say it ain't I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints The sinners are much more fun You know that only the good die young, oh, baby I tell ya only the good die young Only the good die young Said your mother told you all that I could give you was a reputation Aw, she never cared for me But did she ever say a prayer for me? Oh-whoa-whoa Come out, come out, come out, Virginia, don't let me wait You Catholic girls start much too late Sooner or later it comes down to fate I might as well will be the one You know that only the good die young Tell you, baby You know that only the good die young Only the good die young Only the good Only the good die young Ooh-ooh, ooh-hoo Ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo Ooh-ooh, ooh-hoo Ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo Ooh-ooh, ooh-hoo Ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo Only the good die young Only the good die young
The Great Famine of 1315 to 1317 ; (1315 + 1317) divided by 2 1316 . Genesis 47 : 28 (death in Egypt) . What was the reason for being in Egypt ? 47 x 28 .
How Old Is Your Church? If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry. If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744. If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605. If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865. If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder. If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century. If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
As an atheist I believe in a sort of eternal life through our genes. I carry my ancestors within me and my children carry me and them as well. This can be observed in all animals. There are a lot of misconceptions about not believing in religions, but we are all atheists in some sense. A Christian is an Atheist when it comes to Islam for example. Originally the word atheist refers to people who didn’t believe in the ancient Roman gods, so Christians where considered atheists by the Romans.
Christians didn't bow down to false God's, the 3 Hebrews who were thrown into the furnace for not worshipping pagan God's. The Christian knows these false God's exist but chooses not to bow down to them.
@@MartySeeks well, there’s no proof for the Roman’s gods not existing, but personally I don’t believe in them, so I’m an atheist when it comes to Roman gods.
@Solbrick I believe that man would rather worship a clay structure than an invisible entity source. Man created what he felt comfortable with, that is why the Isrealites created the calf image because in Egypt they were surrounded by graven false idols.
@@Solbrick there is another angle to this also - as Marty has pointed out your misunderstanding thus far, i see you had made yourself “a god” by wrongly putting others into a place they otherwise might not be.
@@srich7503 Here's wikipedia's explanation: Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists. :: With that said, it's interesting from a cult perspective if we would say that science is a deity and as a Jehovas Witness you can't have other gods, well then you're not allowed to believe in science, so the belief in gravity is believing in a false god. Maybe we just replaced a god that is pulling everything down to Earth with gravity, and we should be shunned for believing in gravity and other things like the science of lettering, or the science of agriculture.
Isn’t it ironic how some families particular brothers can be so different, like my dad who’s generally a man of peace but his brother my uncle is a cage fighter and wrestling 🤼 champion
I was indoctrinated at 3 years of age. Spent 49 years slaving for the corporation. I did not have critical thinking skills. I served as an elder and pioneer for many years. I gave my life, energy, finances, youth, mental health to this ugly grift. Only to be spit out because I was no longer useful. Asked to many questions. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Colorado. 🙋
I was born in the religion and lived half my life in Australia and refused to salute the Australian flag at school, I always felt alone in making these sacrifices, I met Nathan Knorr in 1969 at the Melbourne assembly when I was 6 years old. I vividly remember Frederick Franz giving a talk about 6000 years of mans existence coming to an end in 1975, they were getting ready for you know what.
thx for sharing. the attendees don't know what you guys were going through back there
I was held up by my hair in grade school for not saluting the flag. Yes what a shame it was all for nothing. They needed the persecution check box and we kids suffered for it. @@MartySeeks
@@MartySeeks lol Matthew 16:16
Simon Peter answered [To Jesus]: “You are the Christ, the SON.. of THE LIVING GOD.”
Jeremiah 10:10
But Jehovah is truly God. HE IS... - THE LIVING GOD - and the eternal King. Because of his indignation the earth will quake, And no nations will endure his denunciation.
John 17:3 Jesus said praying to Jehovah:
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Ya, because when we were young, Watchtower said “If you’re a young person, you will have to face the fact that you will never grow old in this system of things.”
What a lie.
Yes, here we all are in our 60s looking back and scratching our heads for an explanation.
❤ woke survivor here, having been born into both the abusive cult & and abusive practicing family, my heart aches from all the painful memories, yet i thank God for surviving & for the strength to escape both, as soon as i came of age to do so; soon thereafter, my father began questioning “the organization,” too much, on various topics & ultimately stepped down as an elder, so much damage done
I got baptized in 1975 .
I serve WT faithful until I became informed about CSA.
Australian Royal Commission was a HUGE desapointment for me.
I honestly can't believe WT could hide 1006 unreported cases of child abuse in Australia alone since 1959 up to 2015 ...and same time telling the sheep 🐏:
We need to keep the congregation clean...
I almost lost my mind...
I,m out.
But I,m still a believer because is not Almighty GOD,s fault, or Crist fault....
No worries Almighty GOD YHVH appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring the correct judgment to everyone individually including the GB.
There is a separation going on right now, and many people don't take note it.
Registered in
Matteus chapter 13.
Our responsibility as Cristians is to fallow Crist foot steps and stay faithful to the very end.
Don't lose your faith.
You are not the only one who feels this way...
But Almighty GOD YHVH and Crist still loves and protects the faithful ones.
I have been feeling just what you said. It is tiring to figure it all out. It saddens me that religion has destroyed the faith of many, or maybe they never had faith? All I know is this life is way too short to waste time on pointless debates! Very profound thoughts and good luck trying to help the younger generations get it!
I appreciate a real man, masculine, like you speaking your heart. It’s a misogynistic raping by weak men… how apathetic it is is the hardest part. Thanks for those shoulders we didn’t have.
I had to read your reply 3 times before I could get the train of thought. Don't like to reply on first read in case I've not understood.
Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts. I am a former JW, I left the cult 20 years ago. It takes time, but you will find your place and a worldview you are at peace with.
Best regards.
Hello from Arizona
Consider that atheists are people of faith. Christians are people of belief and hope. So much more conversation is needed to find out more than we really know.
Having spoken with so many atheists over the years, I honestly believe that it takes a lot more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a Christian
The day your baptized is the beginning of the end ......they watch you like an ex con on parole ......
Psalm 121:8 so fear of man or fear of god you choose!
@@mrm8850 I choose fear of STUPIDITY .......every damn time 😯
@@kingofthedots3835 so your stupid!
I was raised in and left the WT in 1999 at the age of 38, in order to escape my abusive JW husband. I married him at the age of 17. It took many years of counseling to get past his abuse and the fear of the dying at the hands of a loving God! I have never looked back. We are each accountable by our own lives and acts toward others, not by the discretion of JW’s. They say they were doing Jehovah’s work, yet not inspired by his Holy Spirit. I look forward to seeing the local body who professed to know things that I was doing, that even I did not know! They judged me apparently with the knowledge of things that I did not do. I look forward to asking what was the source of such knowledge…
I'm always saddened to hear of sisters who have had an controlling husband and the effect and footprint it leaves on them, the elders are just hopeless at spotting this.
There’s a malevolent, hateful old elder in the congregation were fading from who cuts people off and jabs his finger at them and then a voice. It sounds like it’s from hell itself tells them that they did things they never did before. It’s like he’s got a demonic crystal ball that he knows everything even though you’ve never even spoken to the creep before. A real hateful piece of work and I thought it was just him and I’ve come to realize there are these types of men in all of the congregations around the world. The one that we thought was a friend he was the more covert narcissist who like to hide behind the over one that was always pointing his fingers. They’re both in their 80s and their children are so scarred and want nothing to do with anybody.the younger generation is just like them. They have the green light to be from Bethel itself. The fish always stinks from the head down.
Gentle hugs, sister. I survived an attempted murder from my violent ex. I wasn’t expected to survive. Thank goodness I did. Where are three-year-old son who watched him try to kill me would’ve been killed too. The elders refused to do anything about it. As soon as I was safe to move, I had to be hidden by Quaker woman because they were pounding down. The doors of suspected sympathizers to drag me back to him. And then when my son got older, I came to find out he was also and still as a violent pedophile.
I'm in my late 60s and totally agree, blink and you missed it. Brought up as a JW, been fully out 25 years, and know I wasted the best younger years in a cult. Fortunately I was successful in business so now have a very comfortable retirement, but acknowledge I'm one of the exceptions amongst xjws or JWs, so many waste their best years and now struggle.
I faded around 1990 and married a Catholic girl, I was savvy with some shares, so I should retire on a sizable amount and no debts or mortgage, but my life has whizzed by and I didn't see it coming.
@@MartySeeks I found once I hit 50, the years just whiz pass, it's scary.
After I left WT, early 40s,and getting a divorce from my fanatical ex wife who was a devout but highly hypocritical person, life just got better year by year. Now remarried to an amazing woman who never was a JW so have an uncomplicated marriage.
BTW are you in UK or Australia?
@@denishartley3828 I'm in the UK since October 1979.
@@MartySeeks same here I'm in London /Essex
@@MartySeeks if you want to meet up in the new year for a drink or a meal, be pleased to meet you.
As an Atheist, I fully agree with you. I'm not sure why you think your argument is compelling. It may feel more comfortable to convince yourself that you get two lives, but that isn't a persuasive argument. If you dedicate this life to the promise of a second, well, at least you will be spared the disappointment.
It was a difficult day when I came to the conclusion I was going to die even though I was DF'd at the time. I was out for many years and still believed they had the truth until I started to research the child abuse claims. The 2 major things that made me realize they are just a con game were in court under oath a heavy said 1. "the only thing JW's offer is a spiritual protection" 2. G Jacksons ARC response to question "are the GB the only path to salvation"? and he said with his creepy smirk "that would be presumptuous". It was a gut punch. I'm embarrassed I supported these clowns.
I remember Jackson saying that, quite honestly, he missed an opportunity to propel his faith here, if he really believed they have the truth he should of stated it clearly. He was not courageous enough when it mattered most.
That's what I was thinking, they are constantly lying, why not lie about this? My guess is they didn't want the legal issues it might cause. Their goal is to protect the organization at all costs. What a sick group of men. @@MartySeeks
@@rockpadstudios I guess we need to find out who's on the narrow road before the END.
Lamb chops Lett leading the way :)@@MartySeeks
Exactly.
I feel exactly same way.
I got baptized in 1975...my parents, my brothers got baptized 1976, other family members too.
I served WT faithful for decades.
CSA was a turning point for me.
I was, deeply desapointment when I observed Jeffrey Jackson trying to measlesding the lawyer at Australian Royal Commission!!!
The lawyer had to ask him the same question several times until he finally got the correct answer!!
What an hypocrite!!.
I,m out .
I,m still a Biblia believer..
No worries Almighty GOD YHVH appointed his son Crist Jesus to bring the correct judgment to everyone individually including the GB.
There is a separation going on right now and many people don't take not of it.
Registered in Matteus chapter 13.
Our responsibility as Cristians is to fallow Crist foot steps and stay faithful to the very end.
The rest is history.
Lovely hair ❤
Why thank you Lady Penelope.
Ex JW and atheist here.
On your discussion of the atheist having nothing but the tangible and the person of faith having "the sure expectation of things although not yet beheld" I'd have to make a polite rebuttal.
The moments I have with my wife, my family, the good and bad moments with people I care for (whether personally or professionally) I know are temporary and will never come again and therein lies the beauty, the wonder and the awe.
To borrow from your present biblical perception of things a little more while faith may be likened to expectation, "expectation postponed makes the heart grow sick". The weight of expectation, the weight of longing for some indistinct future time is like being soaked to the bone in heavy clothes and waiting to dry off while standing in perpetual torrential rain. The answer isn't coming from the sky above I'd suggest the answer is going to come when you get somewhere warm and weather proof and take off the damp garb and appreciate being in the warmth with something meaningful to you.
If some sort of religiosity gives you meaning then by all means, you do you.
I honestly just felt better when I cast off the chains of superstition.
As I've tried to get at, not trying to convert you to my way of thinking (I've done far to much of that when I was a JW) just trying to offer an alternative perspective for your consideration.
All the best!
I like your reply, and I love illustrations to convey impactfull meaning, I think I should also use an illustration, we all have been given a promise of everlasting life if we exercise faith in the ransom sacrifice of Christ, we all hold a IOU slip of paper, and on that slip it says, I the Creator do promise to give you life eternal on the condition you remain in the Christ.
The slip of paper only has value if you endure to the end when God delivers on his promise, this is why people remain in the Christ to be rewarded by showing unshakeable faith that God will honour his promises.
@@MartySeeks Your argument isn't really that different from the JW position I was brought up with. Again, respectfully, I have to ask if your ideological position is not that different why are you outside of the JW's? Are you looking to build a congregation of your own on small differences or have you not been out that long and not fully appraised your stand point yet? It took me a long while to re-appraise my thinking when I left because it becomes a reflex action to cite JW talking points and ways of thinking.
@jodders619 No, my opinion is my own, and my hope isn't yet dashed, but only time will tell whether it remains that way.
I always give hear to others who have been and no longer are fully attached to their former beliefs.
Hello Marty., I just watched your video as well as a few other channels, and I’m amazed that anyone could go for this nonsense ! It’s absolutely bananas ! I have a question for you, Why in the world would anyone want to be a Jehovah witness ?
Good question, the promise of something better did it for me, the support for God's Messianic Kingdom was also a factor, the free choice to dedicate your life was alluring.
Believing that pain and suffering and death will be a thing of the past under GMK, living forever in full health also got me.
ASK the Atheist if he can see gravity, or energy, NO. But it exists.
We need to look at the simplest of things to reinforce the existence of a creator.
I must say this is your perspective about the religion if everyone on the planet was a JWS then everyone will be at peace. If jws do not have the truth there is NO truth IT DOES NOT EXIST 😂😂 This is coming from someone who was disfellowshipped as a teen.
@@shawnmcanthony5724 I can't argue with that.
My english is not so good but i'll try to explain what I think: the matter is as simple as what Paul said about a haus being built by someone and not being randomly brought to existence by caos. We are able to recognise that most of the existing things have a function. Logic sais that if a thing has a function, most likely, has to be a part of a larger design. Thus there must be an intelligent mind behind that. Thus faith is something tangible
Next step:why the bible and not any other text. The book of Genesis for example offers the pattern to understand human history. Archeology prooved that everything started in the middle east: diffusion of man, agricolture, farming, fruit plants, first citys, schools and so on. No other text reporter that. The major reported events like the flood are impressed in the memory of almost every people around the world. The first discovered cultures around the world were peaceful and egualitarian as the faithfull people after the flood should have been. (War is supposed to start whit Nimrod).The pantheon of most indoeuropean religions match the fallen angels and the nephilim. Most of colture and religions of the world retain the serpent figure as either evil or wisdom related. And so on. There are endless evidences to sostein the faith.
Next step: why the theology of Jehova's witnesses.
Genesis talks about a tree of life.
Jehova created spiritual being to live in heaven and fleashy beings to live on hearth. Thus no need for an immortal soul that lives independently of the body. Thus no need for an "hell"(what loving person would condemn someone to be burn forever ).
Long story short: I think Jehova used this bunch of unperfect people to spread his "Word" across the earth.The main doctrines are correct.
The slave is probably saing "The lord is being late" and started sharing whit the drunkhards.
Certainly history tells us that God always uses and has a people for his name who at times drop in and out of favour with him, logic tells me that he is using some group today, that group must be in support of his coming Kingdom.
Oh my God, you are so deep!!! Yes, we knew basics from organization! Slave is just sleeping 😴 💤
Mark Twain 1835 to 1910 ,,I,m not afraid of being dead I was dead for billions upon billions of years before I was born and I never suffered the slightest inconvenience from it,, Justin Porter ex jw
Great way to look at it.
Good point!!
Come out, Virginia, don't let me wait
You Catholic girls start much too late
Aw, but sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well will be the one
Well, they showed you a statue, told you to pray
They built you a temple and locked you away
Aw, but they never told you the price that you pay
For things that you might have done
Well, only the good die young
That's what I said
Only the good die young
Only the good die young
You mighta heard I run with a dangerous crowd
We ain't too pretty, we ain't too proud
We might be laughing a bit too loud
Aw, but that never hurt no one
So come on, Virginia, show me a sign
Send up a signal, I'll throw you the line
The stained-glass curtain you're hiding behind
Never let's in the sun
Darlin', only the good die young
Whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa
I tell ya only the good die young
Only the good die young
You got a nice white dress and a party on your confirmation
You got a brand new soul
Mmm, and a cross of gold
But, Virginia, they didn't give you quite enough information
You didn't count on me
When you were counting on your rosary
Oh-whoa-whoa
And they say there's a heaven for those who will wait
Some say it's better, but I say it ain't
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun
You know that only the good die young, oh, baby
I tell ya only the good die young
Only the good die young
Said your mother told you all that I could give you was a reputation
Aw, she never cared for me
But did she ever say a prayer for me?
Oh-whoa-whoa
Come out, come out, come out, Virginia, don't let me wait
You Catholic girls start much too late
Sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well will be the one
You know that only the good die young
Tell you, baby
You know that only the good die young
Only the good die young
Only the good
Only the good die young
Ooh-ooh, ooh-hoo
Ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo
Ooh-ooh, ooh-hoo
Ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo
Ooh-ooh, ooh-hoo
Ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo
Only the good die young
Only the good die young
Much mention of Catholic girls, I of course, married an Irish Catholic girl, no JW little wifey for Marty.
@@MartySeeksdo you want a partner or are you happy single?
@mrm8850 I tried to make my marriage work, but now I'm content being single.
@@MartySeeks understandable 😁
Great title for a fear laden tube ......never blink is the solution 😂😂😂
The Great Famine of 1315 to 1317 ; (1315 + 1317) divided by 2 1316 . Genesis 47 : 28 (death in Egypt) . What was the reason for being in Egypt ? 47 x 28 .
Not my strongest subject was maths.
How Old Is Your Church?
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
As an atheist I believe in a sort of eternal life through our genes. I carry my ancestors within me and my children carry me and them as well. This can be observed in all animals. There are a lot of misconceptions about not believing in religions, but we are all atheists in some sense. A Christian is an Atheist when it comes to Islam for example. Originally the word atheist refers to people who didn’t believe in the ancient Roman gods, so Christians where considered atheists by the Romans.
Christians didn't bow down to false God's, the 3 Hebrews who were thrown into the furnace for not worshipping pagan God's. The Christian knows these false God's exist but chooses not to bow down to them.
@@MartySeeks well, there’s no proof for the Roman’s gods not existing, but personally I don’t believe in them, so I’m an atheist when it comes to Roman gods.
@Solbrick I believe that man would rather worship a clay structure than an invisible entity source. Man created what he felt comfortable with, that is why the Isrealites created the calf image because in Egypt they were surrounded by graven false idols.
@@Solbrick there is another angle to this also - as Marty has pointed out your misunderstanding thus far, i see you had made yourself “a god” by wrongly putting others into a place they otherwise might not be.
@@srich7503 Here's wikipedia's explanation: Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
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With that said, it's interesting from a cult perspective if we would say that science is a deity and as a Jehovas Witness you can't have other gods, well then you're not allowed to believe in science, so the belief in gravity is believing in a false god. Maybe we just replaced a god that is pulling everything down to Earth with gravity, and we should be shunned for believing in gravity and other things like the science of lettering, or the science of agriculture.
If you are not a JW's you were never here.
Had to of lived through it to understand it.
Is this a no to pagan ritual? Jeremiah 10:2-5
Do not learn the ways of the Nations, and for so long I didn't.
@@MartySeeks is that a no to the pagan bacon?
Isn’t it ironic how some families particular brothers can be so different, like my dad who’s generally a man of peace but his brother my uncle is a cage fighter and wrestling 🤼 champion
Who would of thought, but the earliest example of brothers being so different is Cain and Able.