I don't think so, man. My friend got their e-bike, and it is a piece of crap. He had to put another grand into it to have it perform the way that was promised to the market.
@@treasurewuji8740 interesting. Regardless though. If they hit every pain point and at least offer 50 miles range in city proven by reviewers then I’ll pick this bike up. My only concern at this point aside from the range is the hub motor seals. Most all manufacturers don’t pay attention to them in the ebike world.
I could easily design a bag that fits into that open space that A) Adds storage, B) Is removable, and C) Is stable enough to grip with your thighs and knees.
that was what I was thinking at first! .. also the missing tank will effect your riding, cause you will have no contact with your knee's to the bike. The result is you will be not "one" with the bike (thats literally translated from german ;-)
Sondors design - Love it! To solve the knee grabbing tank area - a custom made luggage bag could fit in that space which would then allow you to grip that area with your knees.
This was what I was going to say, even a blanking plate with adjustable knee grips so you can dial them in for your riding style, Also it'd be a useful space for Helmet storage (probably not a full face by the looks of it) or added batteries for or a rapid charging system . . . . . . loads of useful ways to use that space.
UPDATE from an electrek article: The negative space in the frame will ultimately offer three different accessory packages: an approximately 3 kWh auxiliary battery, a Level 2 fast charger, and a storage box.
I was going to ask if it had a quick charger. No need for that negative space. Double the battery, a bit of bodywork, storage mimicking a gas tank so you have grip, and for God's sake A COMFORTABLE SEAT!!! One question - Does this futuristic bike use tube tires???? Spoke wheels generally mean yes.
@@Wabbit1961 Yeah!! They should use that negative space for another battery pack to fit those dimensions. Apparently they are using that space for an additional/optional levl2 fast changer and a storage box.
Finally! I've been waiting for someone to make a $5K electric motorcycle for a commuter bike, and this ticks all the boxes with bonus points for the futuristic styling. I like the looks of the open frame, but I wish they'd enclosed that space for storage - a frunk, to serve the purpose of a tank bag. Maybe offer an optional battery to fit there for extended range, but until the range is good enough for a full day of touring, I personally would not add the weight and expense beyond what is needed for a daily commute. I just bought a $5K BMW G310GS to use for commuting and mild old man adventures. I have a home brew electric bicycle that I made from my old Trek mountain bike, but I'm still very tempted to get this new e-bike!
@@speculativeauthor - According to the pinned comment, Saunders is offering a case, a fast charger or a 2000 watt hour range extending battery for the open space. I'd go for the case and I'd carry a slow charger inside the case if I expected to need the extra range and I'd be somewhere I could plug it in... although if I commuted, I could probably leave a charger at work so it could charge while I'm at work.
There is no way you will get 50mi out of this. They are marketing like Zero did when they had smaller battery bikes. However, a 10kwh battery in a Zero will get you about 40mi on highway and this has less than half the battery. I would expect 20 miles range at 55mph. 30 miles mixed 30-55mph riding. 50-60 miles at purely 30mph speeds.
@@alwaysplaythegame If it's 20 miles at 55 mph then only 10 miles at 80 mph. I think it will do a little better than that because the weight is so low, 200 lbs.
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Once this thing is released, there will be about 30 seconds until someone produces or just improvises a storage bin to fit in that hole that you can also grip with your legs.
They are gonna have a hard case, or an added battery, or a public charger in that spot. I’m not using anything I like how it looks. Ordered one in black today.
No, they just advertise fake low prices to get hype. They aren't even delivering them and they've ALREADY jacked up the price by 20% in just a year...and who knows if they'll raise it more by the time they're actually delivering them.
@@AwesomeBlackDude how do you plan to use this range ? it's pretty easy to charge a e motor cycle at work, curbside on you driveway, in your front yard, or in your condo parking. unless you are planning to do long stretches at highway speed...I don't see the pointAnd if you are planning that it's probably the wrong bike fr the job rather keep it lighter/quicker/cheaper. but optional battery would be nice for those who really need it, with poor charging infrastructure or that are willing to take the weight/price/performance/higher COG hit for more freedom to do whatever you want without charging.
@@AwesomeBlackDude yeah why have literal empty space when you could fit more battery, I get keeping the costs down for other people, but hopefully they'll have an option when the bike releases
being able to grip the tank with your knees helps with: - hanging off the bike in high speed corners - properly controlling the bike at low speed, like in a car park - allows the rider to take pressure off their wrists, helping with longer rides - gives the rider a way to grip the bike without excess steering input when accelerating and decelerating my guess is, not having something there to grip with your knees, will make this bike a PITA to ride safely.
Great post. I think they sacrificed rideability for a cool look. They missed the memo that bikes are used on streets, not put in museums. Lol. The seat is another place where they seem to have sacrificed rideabililty for looks. Looks uncomfortable.
Don't just think of a removable battery as something you have to lug around.. it makes it easier for you to replace the battery should it die, or they release a higher capacity battery in the same size. Rather than having to send your bike in to have the battery swapped you can just have them send you the battery and switch it yourself. Just because it's removable doesn't mean you have to take it out, car batteries are technically removable but you don't see people taking em out when they get home 😅
It's also a make-or-break feature for most of the target audience, city dwellers who would use that bike for their work commute and don't have electrified parking spots.
@@doctadrey3000 I wasn't contradicting your comment. I think I'll get myself an electric two wheeler in the coming 5 years and unless those 10-minute-to-80%-charge batteries start showing up, I simply won't be able to own an electric bike that does not have removable batteries.
This is a direct competitor to onyx like yikes. A lot of people who’ve gotten rid of their onyx for an actual bike do so because their desire to go on highways and miles beyond the city completely outweighs the novelty of being able to “bike” anywhere with it in the city or on trails And if they release any sort of off road mods or aftermarket pulls through on that. Then it’s RIP Onyx unless they slash their prices in half lmao
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Amen to that. That is precisely what I am looking for. I asked them what their IPX rating was on their motor to see if it was wash down duty and could handle the dirt and water. They said they are still testing that when I talked to customer service 2wks ago
"Priced at $5000. Of course that's a lot more than gas motorcycles." - On what planet? A brand new "starter" motorcycle (Ninja 400, CBR300R, YZF-R3) are all priced at about $5k+. For the most part, this bike is not that far off on performance compared to some of the "starter motorcycles" in the same price range.
@@FalkonNightsdale what's the point of owning a motorcycle? if you can't go touring. All the trouble and expense of a proper bike. Yet is barely more useful than a moped class machine.
@Benjamin Muller the 80 mile range is for slow city riding. This bike couldn't even get out of the city. You tour on a ninja 400 if you're interested in out of the way fun roads.
Awesome work Micah. As a daily motorcycle rider and former racer, I'm glad to hear you calling out the hole in the frame. I think it looks amazing, but I wouldn't know how to hold onto it during hard braking. -Paul from ESG
I'm sure there will be at least after-market storage for the negative space for storage (helmet/groceries), which could also account for the knee grip like a gas tank.
@@tjam4229 You are not wrong. And I agree. I think the issue is form and function. Sort of like buying a version 1.0 of anything. Might be best to wait for v2.0 once consumers and designers figure the functional use of the item.
On SONDORS website they offer 3 solutions for that "unsightly" hole everyone seems to notice. A storage bag, larger battery, or level2 charger for public charging. just wanted to say because Ive seen many commenta of people offering hole-filling options xD
Bikes seem like the perfect route to go down for electric vehicles and this has huge potential. For a commute this would be great. My only fear is no sound can be dangerous. No blipping the throttle on that to let people know you're there. But this is great keep up the good work
Rumor has it that it has a anti theft system that can sniff your asshole as a "fingerprint" smell. Just sit and fart and away you go!!!!!! No problemo hombre
Stick a battery in the gap as well ! Thats your gripping knee scenario sorted, most of us don't have storage so having more oomph and more mileage is a bonus we would accept I reckon !
Honestly I just started looking for a new motorcycle and this looks perfect for my first electric motorcycle , and since my city is not very motorcycle friendly i can get away with parking it in the bike rack at my work
perfect for commuting in the netherlands, especially when there is heavy rain and wind and you are tired of pedalling but have to cycle 20-40 km to work (round trip). with this you just glide. i love that it is so light. l have been trying to ride my husband's 240 kg motorcycle and l definitely do not feel confident with it in the traffic. this one is perfect for light tiny women who need something compact and powerful and electrical for commuting.
I want some of what you're smoking if you think any kind of open vehicle like a bike or motorcycle, is perfect for commuting where there is heavy rain and wind. Has anyone ever called you a masochist?
TC Max still falls a bit short. 100 km/h top speed and 5 kW does not feel safe for highway rides. This bike pushes it a bit further, what makes it highway capable.
Very interesting idea - I've been working from home now for a year and we're at some point going to go back into the office at least 2 to 3 days a week. I'm using a Versys 1000 at the moment but am looking to shift my commute to an affordable electric bike and am following this one with particular interest. Got a 40 mile roundtrip commute to do with 2/3 Highway with a speed limit of 70mph so I'm thinking with this generation of battery tech it won't cut it since even at the start with a 100% battery I would only expect to barely get to work and back without charging in the office (which I wouldn't be able to guarantee) and as soon as the battery starts to degrade I'll have major range anxiety or will have to limit myself to much slower speeds, which defeats the purpose of the bike... I'm hoping that a bike like this can come in at about 100 to 120 mile range in 3-5 years at around $7000 which will make it very interesting for a lot of people.
Appreciate honesty thanks. That said anyone interested enough to buy the bike is not a novice. And if they follow your channel and so educated know the mileage is padded. These sellers are at some point going to realize as popularity breeds knowing. The public is wise to their b.s. points and raise an eyebrow to what else they are hiding? Honesty is always, always the best tactic always too, simply the right thing to do. It’s good business.
I want one right f'now! This is what I've been waiting for. I think if they split the battery into two then it will be manageable, for me I prefer to carry water bottles two at a time, it evens the weight load out. Good looking bike.
Great suggestion (splitting the battery). A balanced load much easier to carry. You'd have to put them down to open doors, etc but I'd prefer it that way.
Absolutely love it!!!!😍........as an avid MTBer and now an ebike commuter, this thing is totally complete and the price is right! I will most definitely be the first to get one!
Very interesting look. I would definitely give it a full matte black paint job tho. And the $5,000 price tag almost makes me want to buy it as soon as it comes out.
Thanks Micah. This is the bike I was looking for when you emailed me about the FXS, just didn’t know it then. Looking forward to your ride review. Thank you so much for what you do.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Federal Law states the turn signals have to be at least 16 inches apart, so these integrated blinkers would not be acceptable by themselves and you would need additional units. They had to do this with some new imported Vespa models as the units recessed into the front legshield were not up to US spec and additional stem signals were added. A small detail but something to consider.
The empty space looks kind of cool. BUT it could be used for some small storage space that could fit something like glasses, gloves, or anything else. Also closing the empty space would help aerodynamics of the bike, and the range.
Please check the Ultraviolette F77 which is a bike for the Indian market and has a higher top speed of 147kmph. It is expected to be launched at a price of 4800$ once you do the conversion.
Micah, you should ask Storm to fly you to Shenzen, China to do an update. And Storm Sondors, you should say yes. We fans/supporters/paid customers have been waiting a long time to see the actual production model we'll be getting, get a better estimate of ship date, and see an unbiased rider review like the ones Micah does so well. (and a look at or review of the "negative space" accessory options)
Well-produced piece that provides an exceptional review to this new electric motorcycle. Helmets off to Michah Toll for this overall. Looking forward to his review once he has a chance to get one out on the road!
@3:00 you nailed it. I love the bikes unique design, but it would feel very awkward to ride with no where to grip your thighs. Also curious about the apparent lack of foam on the seat.
I am very excited about the design here. I hope more companies are taking notes. Maybe some kind of plastic add-on compartment box could act as both comfort for knees and luggage? It could be clear if they want to play with the idea of negative space.
I've been seeing this design for a while now (or something similar) and I was expecting it to either never come out or have a ridiculous price (I'm a little impressed if that really is the price,) although I guess this goes beyond the simple Ebike that you can ride withought an actual motorcycle license. It seems a bit more subastantial than a Ebike or even a moped styled like a bike (or vice versa.)
You won't... they show vaporware prototypes. Only 1% of what is rendered or displayed makes it to actual solid 1000s of units produced type production. As Tesla has found out a world of difference between a few handmade prototypes and mass producing hundreds of thousands of them. And like Tesla has shown it is the ONE who did it. The rest are just wannabes and even the legacy crap ICE-manufacturers have no experience building electrics or anything not containing an internal combustion engine.
@@nereanim You are aware, aren't you?, that Sondors is an established company that puts out what they announce. For instance, they recently announced a new line of mid-drive e-bikes added to their regular line which are a cut above what they had been selling which you can buy. They've been around a while. I post this comment in the spirit that it seems you may be unaware they are an established company.
@@ivok9846 Pretty much. lol. It looks like a bicycle to me. lol. I think if I'm going to go electric, I'd go with Zero Motorcycles, but I can't deny that $5K for an electric motorcycle is pretty much untouchable.
It's probably not a lie, not sure where anyone got the false impression that a city commuter bike should be rated at speeds higher than the average city commuter speed which is probably around 30MPH if not less.
@@stinkycheese804 These manufacturers of vehicles electric or gas powered have problems with the truth. With MPG, true speeds or range it all fabrication. This whole world has a problem with truth why would vehicles manufacturers be any different?
Great discussion thanks so much. For ages we have watched the fabulous Zero bikes leading the e motorcycle market wondering why there were no "real competitors" aside from the recent HD Livewire. I hope Sondors are successful and cant wait to see them out in New Zealand. Cheers.
Range is always a gray area, most manufacturers are extremely conservative on a range test. And I doubt the price, starting price might be 5k and probably end up being 7-10k realistically
Non Bike guy here, but seems like the lack of a fuel tank to grip with your legs would be just bad all around. They should make it a hollow tub for storage and to hold your legs in place :) ALSO you're right about the tiny battery - the Livewire has 4x the capacity and doesn't go 320 miles... :D
Perfect for commuting in the city. I’d still prefer my 2020 R3. Considering Yamaha’s best selling motorcycle is in fact the R3, beginner bikes are hot right now.
@@geemy9675 I have raced tuned up 125 Honda Cubs. Trust me, you just adapt. Yes you will not be riding this bike like an R1 but that doesn't make it any less rideable.
@@JohnSmith-dt3iw if it lives up to its claims it could be an awesome bike. I'm just not comfortable shelling out that sort of money with that little info. maybe after it's been reviewed. hoping the price won't go up after the preorders
@@JohnSmith-dt3iw sure it's just not the same commitment as buying a $50 item. I'm already not very comfortable buying a vehicle without a test drive/ride. plus I'll be back in europe in 2022,
Exactly - a great, practical bike that suits most needs for a reasonable price. Couldn't have said it better. I've been waiting for this kind of thing....
I love the bike... Having an easily removable battery will allow for future battery upgrades... It would be nice to charge it at a charge point in the standard model..... Very cool bike....... 👍👍
I think what they should do for that "open" area is make a light weight storage compartment that fits in there. That way you could grip on with your knees and store valuable stuff in there. Thats what i would do.
You can stick a cushy pillow in that hole where the tank would be and have a comfortable knee squeeze. A custom backpack would also be an option. Basically a true tank bag.
At the first set of tires, I'd install 50% off road tires to use this as an urban assault dual sport bike. It seems to have adequate ground clearance and suspension.
I think the missing gas tank is a great opportunity to put a bag. I can imagine a really good look inner-frame bag. It could even have some structure to it so that you can grip it with your legs.
Thanks bruh I almost bought the Livewire and reconsidering it thanks to you. They are located in Commers, Ca, and if they allow, or have any available for test drives, I'm so buying one. I'll sell my stocks to have one. lol
For the gas tank area they should design it a grocery compartment as well as a place to grip your knee in. Common guys, it could be your selling point right here on top of the pricing you promote ! Oh yea it would look totally better if you can customize the color of those compartment gas tank instead of seeing through
If they can hit all these points at 5k I will straight up buy this.
I don't think so, man. My friend got their e-bike, and it is a piece of crap. He had to put another grand into it to have it perform the way that was promised to the market.
@@treasurewuji8740 this bike? A Sondors E- bicycle? Or are you just generalizing?
@@MichaelMaurakis Their first e-bike which is built on a snow bike frame.
@@treasurewuji8740 interesting. Regardless though. If they hit every pain point and at least offer 50 miles range in city proven by reviewers then I’ll pick this bike up. My only concern at this point aside from the range is the hub motor seals. Most all manufacturers don’t pay attention to them in the ebike world.
Annnnd they couldn't.
I could easily design a bag that fits into that open space that A) Adds storage, B) Is removable, and C) Is stable enough to grip with your thighs and knees.
Brilliant!!!!!
@@spartanmediaworks my thoughts exactly, if you're in for serious commuting, or like a top box that also could fit a helmet
Or just carry a back pack and build a holder in the middle.
that was what I was thinking at first! .. also the missing tank will effect your riding, cause you will have no contact with your knee's to the bike. The result is you will be not "one" with the bike (thats literally translated from german ;-)
You should. After market parts make up a huge percentage of sales for a lot of vehicles.
Sondors design - Love it! To solve the knee grabbing tank area - a custom made luggage bag could fit in that space which would then allow you to grip that area with your knees.
This was what I was going to say, even a blanking plate with adjustable knee grips so you can dial them in for your riding style, Also it'd be a useful space for Helmet storage (probably not a full face by the looks of it) or added batteries for or a rapid charging system . . .
. . . loads of useful ways to use that space.
My thoughts exactly.
UPDATE from an electrek article: The negative space in the frame will ultimately offer three different accessory packages: an approximately 3 kWh auxiliary battery, a Level 2 fast charger, and a storage box.
Do you have a link ? I wanna check it out
Hard choice but I guess it's interchangeable anyway
I was going to ask if it had a quick charger. No need for that negative space. Double the battery, a bit of bodywork, storage mimicking a gas tank so you have grip, and for God's sake A COMFORTABLE SEAT!!!
One question - Does this futuristic bike use tube tires???? Spoke wheels generally mean yes.
@@Wabbit1961 Yeah!! They should use that negative space for another battery pack to fit those dimensions. Apparently they are using that space for an additional/optional levl2 fast changer and a storage box.
Gimme the batt
Finally! I've been waiting for someone to make a $5K electric motorcycle for a commuter bike, and this ticks all the boxes with bonus points for the futuristic styling. I like the looks of the open frame, but I wish they'd enclosed that space for storage - a frunk, to serve the purpose of a tank bag. Maybe offer an optional battery to fit there for extended range, but until the range is good enough for a full day of touring, I personally would not add the weight and expense beyond what is needed for a daily commute.
I just bought a $5K BMW G310GS to use for commuting and mild old man adventures. I have a home brew electric bicycle that I made from my old Trek mountain bike, but I'm still very tempted to get this new e-bike!
I'm sure a case will come out for the hollow spot.
@@speculativeauthor - According to the pinned comment, Saunders is offering a case, a fast charger or a 2000 watt hour range extending battery for the open space. I'd go for the case and I'd carry a slow charger inside the case if I expected to need the extra range and I'd be somewhere I could plug it in... although if I commuted, I could probably leave a charger at work so it could charge while I'm at work.
I love it if it's all true, even if I can have a range of 50 miles with getting to 80mph, perfect for work commute
There is no way you will get 50mi out of this. They are marketing like Zero did when they had smaller battery bikes. However, a 10kwh battery in a Zero will get you about 40mi on highway and this has less than half the battery. I would expect 20 miles range at 55mph. 30 miles mixed 30-55mph riding. 50-60 miles at purely 30mph speeds.
Thanks for keeping it real
Is it street legal?
@@alwaysplaythegame If it's 20 miles at 55 mph then only 10 miles at 80 mph. I think it will do a little better than that because the weight is so low, 200 lbs.
That range works for me too. lol
They should put a storage compartment in the empty space in the centre of the bike.
done
An opportunity for an after market company.
I like your style, thank you for getting right into the details! Unlike those other videos that bait people to keep them watching their video. Keep up the good work!
Once this thing is released, there will be about 30 seconds until someone produces or just improvises a storage bin to fit in that hole that you can also grip with your legs.
It is more likely that Sonders offers it as an option, as well as a tail bag. (we don't ALL want to wear backpacks when we ride)
Case of beer.
They are gonna have a hard case, or an added battery, or a public charger in that spot. I’m not using anything I like how it looks. Ordered one in black today.
The styling is great, looks like a purpose-made movie prop from a sci fi film.
If by great you mean a theft magnet, yes it is.
great, a hole to shove my crate of beer in, which I can protect with my knees
A smaller size keg would fit better in that hole if size becomes a factor.
we can slot in a walmart predator engine in that empty hole and turn it into a gasoline hybrid too!!
You could probably ratchet cargo in there.
Knees to protect your crate with
Shaken or stirred?
This is it. The absolute automotive dream. I hope it lives up to the hype!
This is exactly the electric bike i've been waiting for.
They nailed it, functionality and design AND A REASONABLE price!
Well Done Sondors!
No, they just advertise fake low prices to get hype. They aren't even delivering them and they've ALREADY jacked up the price by 20% in just a year...and who knows if they'll raise it more by the time they're actually delivering them.
I'd love to see a storage compartment option to fill that open center gap
I was thinking that would be a great spot for a removable hard sided bag.
More battery more batteries... I need roughly 160 miles. 😬
@@AwesomeBlackDude how do you plan to use this range ? it's pretty easy to charge a e motor cycle at work, curbside on you driveway, in your front yard, or in your condo parking. unless you are planning to do long stretches at highway speed...I don't see the pointAnd if you are planning that it's probably the wrong bike fr the job
rather keep it lighter/quicker/cheaper. but optional battery would be nice for those who really need it, with poor charging infrastructure or that are willing to take the weight/price/performance/higher COG hit for more freedom to do whatever you want without charging.
Hell No!!! That’s what makes this bike look so cool. Do you want it looking like every-other bike?!
@@AwesomeBlackDude yeah why have literal empty space when you could fit more battery, I get keeping the costs down for other people, but hopefully they'll have an option when the bike releases
being able to grip the tank with your knees helps with:
- hanging off the bike in high speed corners
- properly controlling the bike at low speed, like in a car park
- allows the rider to take pressure off their wrists, helping with longer rides
- gives the rider a way to grip the bike without excess steering input when accelerating and decelerating
my guess is, not having something there to grip with your knees, will make this bike a PITA to ride safely.
Great post. I think they sacrificed rideability for a cool look. They missed the memo that bikes are used on streets, not put in museums. Lol. The seat is another place where they seem to have sacrificed rideabililty for looks. Looks uncomfortable.
Nice bike but i would rather have storage in that open space.
Easily solved aftermarket with a bag or hard case.
I was thinking it would be good to fab some metal doors to screw on, maybe tank shaped with hinges
Maybe a big fish bowl.
Water bottle
Agreed. Storage should be a priority.
Another item to resist using my savings on. The seating and leg position looks like it could use some minor adjustments though
... and if by the term minor adjustments, you mean major adjustments - you'd be right. People's legs will go numb pretty quickly over bumps.
Don't just think of a removable battery as something you have to lug around.. it makes it easier for you to replace the battery should it die, or they release a higher capacity battery in the same size. Rather than having to send your bike in to have the battery swapped you can just have them send you the battery and switch it yourself.
Just because it's removable doesn't mean you have to take it out, car batteries are technically removable but you don't see people taking em out when they get home 😅
Good point!!
I think he's talking about when you need to recharge the battery and you maybe need to take it indoors and you live in an upstairs apartment.
It's also a make-or-break feature for most of the target audience, city dwellers who would use that bike for their work commute and don't have electrified parking spots.
@@bcb7655 if you cant "lug" a 25-50 lb battery up and down your stairs, you probably shouldn't be riding a motorcycle.
@@doctadrey3000 I wasn't contradicting your comment. I think I'll get myself an electric two wheeler in the coming 5 years and unless those 10-minute-to-80%-charge batteries start showing up, I simply won't be able to own an electric bike that does not have removable batteries.
Really interested in this. Was eying an onyx for a while but this is much more appealing.
This is a direct competitor to onyx like yikes. A lot of people who’ve gotten rid of their onyx for an actual bike do so because their desire to go on highways and miles beyond the city completely outweighs the novelty of being able to “bike” anywhere with it in the city or on trails
And if they release any sort of off road mods or aftermarket pulls through on that. Then it’s RIP Onyx unless they slash their prices in half lmao
@Aea Alfaro What's wrong with a hub motor, how often are you changing wheels?
@Aea Alfaro lol as a matter of fact I do.
Oh shit they actually have a functional bike and not a bunch of 3d renders.
I was thinking about the same with Sondors e-car thingy :D
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Looks uncomfortable
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Such a comfortable and eco-friendly motorcycle should definitely be promoted in the world
Sarcasm
Comfortable 😂
Now they just need to make a dual sport version
Amen to that. That is precisely what I am looking for. I asked them what their IPX rating was on their motor to see if it was wash down duty and could handle the dirt and water. They said they are still testing that when I talked to customer service 2wks ago
All you’d really need to do is put dual sport skins on the rims...
i think the best you can do for something like that atm is a sur ron light bee x
$5k is better than harleys entry level 30k electric bike. looks like alot of fun
But the Harleys Limewire is only the Emotorcycle that performs better than an ICE motorcycle.
"Priced at $5000. Of course that's a lot more than gas motorcycles." - On what planet? A brand new "starter" motorcycle (Ninja 400, CBR300R, YZF-R3) are all priced at about $5k+. For the most part, this bike is not that far off on performance compared to some of the "starter motorcycles" in the same price range.
Yeah, but they go 300 miles on a tank of gas and are mature products with more features.
@@sl600rt Which is pretty much useless, when all you need is go 1/10 of that distance per day, when commuting to work and back...
@@FalkonNightsdale what's the point of owning a motorcycle? if you can't go touring.
All the trouble and expense of a proper bike. Yet is barely more useful than a moped class machine.
@Benjamin Muller the 80 mile range is for slow city riding. This bike couldn't even get out of the city.
You tour on a ninja 400 if you're interested in out of the way fun roads.
Bruh, this bike puts down 80ft•lbs of torque nominally, that’s close to super sport levels of torque.
Awesome work Micah. As a daily motorcycle rider and former racer, I'm glad to hear you calling out the hole in the frame. I think it looks amazing, but I wouldn't know how to hold onto it during hard braking. -Paul from ESG
Perfect for work and back √
I'm sure there will be at least after-market storage for the negative space for storage (helmet/groceries), which could also account for the knee grip like a gas tank.
If you fill the negative space, then the bike loses a large part of its design appeal; and would look like any other.
@@tjam4229 You are not wrong. And I agree. I think the issue is form and function. Sort of like buying a version 1.0 of anything. Might be best to wait for v2.0 once consumers and designers figure the functional use of the item.
On SONDORS website they offer 3 solutions for that "unsightly" hole everyone seems to notice. A storage bag, larger battery, or level2 charger for public charging.
just wanted to say because Ive seen many commenta of people offering hole-filling options xD
I think this is going to be my entry into this space. I love this! $5000??? Yeah take my money 💰
Cool.re-sale....5000
Bikes seem like the perfect route to go down for electric vehicles and this has huge potential. For a commute this would be great. My only fear is no sound can be dangerous. No blipping the throttle on that to let people know you're there. But this is great keep up the good work
Honk ya horn lol
One thing that worries me is that because it’s light weight, it’s easy for someone to just lift it on to a truck/van and steal it...
this is a real concern for these newer lighter electric vehicles
Doesn't matter if it weighs 4-500lbs, only takes 2 people to snag it.
Rumor has it that it has a anti theft system that can sniff your asshole as a "fingerprint" smell. Just sit and fart and away you go!!!!!! No problemo hombre
@@pauljames4991 - agreed, but that would pair really nicely with storage for that heavy really strong chain.
Attach some lead weight on it, it will be heavier,
Stick a battery in the gap as well ! Thats your gripping knee scenario sorted, most of us don't have storage so having more oomph and more mileage is a bonus we would accept I reckon !
Right, I have about 3 miles at 60mph, 6 miles at about 45mph, and another 3 at 30mph or less. Then again to get home. This sounds perfect.
I would seriously buy one. I commute to work 30 miles one way and this would be a great way of getting to work every day
Same
Honestly I just started looking for a new motorcycle and this looks perfect for my first electric motorcycle , and since my city is not very motorcycle friendly i can get away with parking it in the bike rack at my work
i legitimately thought that the title read "first _foldable_ motorcycle" 😆
You can put it in your glove compartment when you are done with it
I think it did! I saw that too!
Lol maybe in 5 years
That was a different article
Motorcycles CAN fold up! Semi trucks easily fold up a motorcycles!
I live on an Island and would love to get one. It would be perfect for my trips. Can't wait.
I agree I need one for my favorite Caribbean island vacation spot 😃
Lots of great things about this bike! Looks, speed, rear hub. I like it!
When is it coming to production? Did I miss that in the video? Selling in the USA?
They said on their website delivery should be end of October 2021.
perfect for commuting in the netherlands, especially when there is heavy rain and wind and you are tired of pedalling but have to cycle 20-40 km to work (round trip). with this you just glide. i love that it is so light. l have been trying to ride my husband's 240 kg motorcycle and l definitely do not feel confident with it in the traffic. this one is perfect for light tiny women who need something compact and powerful and electrical for commuting.
I want some of what you're smoking if you think any kind of open vehicle like a bike or motorcycle, is perfect for commuting where there is heavy rain and wind. Has anyone ever called you a masochist?
6:00 sounds like the Super Soco TC Max which was released last year.
TC Max still falls a bit short. 100 km/h top speed and 5 kW does not feel safe for highway rides. This bike pushes it a bit further, what makes it highway capable.
This is so amazing.A friend showed it to me today.I have always been a Harley girl,but this is affordable,smooth,and electric.
Very interesting idea - I've been working from home now for a year and we're at some point going to go back into the office at least 2 to 3 days a week. I'm using a Versys 1000 at the moment but am looking to shift my commute to an affordable electric bike and am following this one with particular interest.
Got a 40 mile roundtrip commute to do with 2/3 Highway with a speed limit of 70mph so I'm thinking with this generation of battery tech it won't cut it since even at the start with a 100% battery I would only expect to barely get to work and back without charging in the office (which I wouldn't be able to guarantee) and as soon as the battery starts to degrade I'll have major range anxiety or will have to limit myself to much slower speeds, which defeats the purpose of the bike...
I'm hoping that a bike like this can come in at about 100 to 120 mile range in 3-5 years at around $7000 which will make it very interesting for a lot of people.
Asking the right questions. Thank you.
Appreciate honesty thanks. That said anyone interested enough to buy the bike is not a novice. And if they follow your channel and so educated know the mileage is padded. These sellers are at some point going to realize as popularity breeds knowing. The public is wise to their b.s. points and raise an eyebrow to what else they are hiding? Honesty is always, always the best tactic always too, simply the right thing to do. It’s good business.
Unless we're just looking for 'transport', would be nice to see one of these designed by someone who actually 'gets' the primal appeal of motorcycles.
Have you looked around any? As already mentioned, double or more the price point for those.
I think crazy-man Sondors may have just become the Henry Ford of electric motorcycle manufacturers.
The only way e bikes could become a viable option is when solid state batteries will be available
@God Is good lol
Awesome! ...if it kicks off other manufacturers keeping in the same class, we're going to be very very stoked
I want one right f'now! This is what I've been waiting for. I think if they split the battery into two then it will be manageable, for me I prefer to carry water bottles two at a time, it evens the weight load out. Good looking bike.
I would be OK with using a lightweight hand truck, the folding kind.
Great suggestion (splitting the battery). A balanced load much easier to carry. You'd have to put them down to open doors, etc but I'd prefer it that way.
@@spareplanet Is z.
Absolutely love it!!!!😍........as an avid MTBer and now an ebike commuter, this thing is totally complete and the price is right! I will most definitely be the first to get one!
The range - is the first thing that anyone talking about electric bike or vehicle should mention, really.
Very interesting look. I would definitely give it a full matte black paint job tho. And the $5,000 price tag almost makes me want to buy it as soon as it comes out.
They actually have a full matte color option when you pre order it
@@craigdavis690 theyre already doing pre-orders??
@@InternationalSpaceForce yeah thats right. Go to there website at sondorsx.com. let me know when you checked it out man
Thanks Micah. This is the bike I was looking for when you emailed me about the FXS, just didn’t know it then. Looking forward to your ride review. Thank you so much for what you do.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Federal Law states the turn signals have to be at least 16 inches apart, so these integrated blinkers would not be acceptable by themselves and you would need additional units. They had to do this with some new imported Vespa models as the units recessed into the front legshield were not up to US spec and additional stem signals were added. A small detail but something to consider.
Could you do a review on the Sondors Madmods?
The empty space looks kind of cool. BUT it could be used for some small storage space that could fit something like glasses, gloves, or anything else. Also closing the empty space would help aerodynamics of the bike, and the range.
I had some beans last night and “tooted” around the city myself today
You haven't converted from gas yet
Please check the Ultraviolette F77 which is a bike for the Indian market and has a higher top speed of 147kmph. It is expected to be launched at a price of 4800$ once you do the conversion.
Hmmmm if that rides well that could be a great option. It reminds me of Husqvarna’s Svartpilen.
I think they used a load of bits off one.
Micah, you should ask Storm to fly you to Shenzen, China to do an update. And Storm Sondors, you should say yes. We fans/supporters/paid customers have been waiting a long time to see the actual production model we'll be getting, get a better estimate of ship date, and see an unbiased rider review like the ones Micah does so well. (and a look at or review of the "negative space" accessory options)
Wow!! That's beautiful!!! I have an E-Bike called the Aventon Sinch. I love my bike, but I would really love that electric motorcycle. 😮😖
Well-produced piece that provides an exceptional review to this new electric motorcycle. Helmets off to Michah Toll for this overall. Looking forward to his review once he has a chance to get one out on the road!
This is exactly what I've been waiting for, sounds like a perfect commuter bike.
I really dig this. Just purchased my first PEV (Kaabo Mantis 8 dual 500W) and I've become obsessed with these devices. Cheers!
@3:00 you nailed it. I love the bikes unique design, but it would feel very awkward to ride with no where to grip your thighs.
Also curious about the apparent lack of foam on the seat.
yes, that seat looks pretty harsh.
Like every scooter? It will be fine, it's not a gsxr
I am very excited about the design here. I hope more companies are taking notes. Maybe some kind of plastic add-on compartment box could act as both comfort for knees and luggage? It could be clear if they want to play with the idea of negative space.
I've been seeing this design for a while now (or something similar) and I was expecting it to either never come out or have a ridiculous price (I'm a little impressed if that really is the price,) although I guess this goes beyond the simple Ebike that you can ride withought an actual motorcycle license. It seems a bit more subastantial than a Ebike or even a moped styled like a bike (or vice versa.)
Your hat off to that AGV helmet :)
Makes sure that you can have a hat on when ever you feel like
Great recap! I hope they add an option for some wide panels where the negative space exists. Maybe the aftermarket will fix this issue.
A guy just buzzed by my house on one. Brand new test ride. We chatted a bit. It is super cool to see in person. Needs tags on it being a motorbike.
After hearing about this, I’m definitely considering leaving the e scooter behind and going after this while getting a license.
Assuming they can build it.
Can't wait for you to review it.
Thanks Micah, you are the best. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Where can I get one!
You won't... they show vaporware prototypes. Only 1% of what is rendered or displayed makes it to actual solid 1000s of units produced type production. As Tesla has found out a world of difference between a few handmade prototypes and mass producing hundreds of thousands of them. And like Tesla has shown it is the ONE who did it. The rest are just wannabes and even the legacy crap ICE-manufacturers have no experience building electrics or anything not containing an internal combustion engine.
@@nereanim You are aware, aren't you?, that Sondors is an established company that puts out what they announce. For instance, they recently announced a new line of mid-drive e-bikes added to their regular line which are a cut above what they had been selling which you can buy. They've been around a while. I post this comment in the spirit that it seems you may be unaware they are an established company.
It'd be nice if they offered a storage cover for that hole. Lockable storage and the ability to properly grip the bike is a win win.
The bike looks so nice
this is your 1st comment regarding any type of motorcycle, right?
@@ivok9846 Pretty much. lol. It looks like a bicycle to me. lol.
I think if I'm going to go electric, I'd go with Zero Motorcycles, but I can't deny that $5K for an electric motorcycle is pretty much untouchable.
Great review, can't wait for my two!
When a manufacturer lies about one thing everything else is suspect.
It's probably not a lie, not sure where anyone got the false impression that a city commuter bike should be rated at speeds higher than the average city commuter speed which is probably around 30MPH if not less.
@@stinkycheese804 These manufacturers of vehicles electric or gas powered have problems with the truth. With MPG, true speeds or range it all fabrication. This whole world has a problem with truth why would vehicles manufacturers be any different?
Absolutely beautiful design..somany options for storage room ...come in any colors or battery chemistry options for range?
I don't like the negative space... It could have hold more batteries
Yea but then it would be more expensive and weight added
That space would be great for a removable hard sided bag for cargo.
Yes and the extra weight would be up hi and not down low so that would affect handling.
Great discussion thanks so much. For ages we have watched the fabulous Zero bikes leading the e motorcycle market wondering why there were no "real competitors" aside from the recent HD Livewire. I hope Sondors are successful and cant wait to see them out in New Zealand. Cheers.
Energica is leading the eMotorcycle segment. Faster, longer range, better build quality, better looking, faster charging and Italian.
Range is always a gray area, most manufacturers are extremely conservative on a range test. And I doubt the price, starting price might be 5k and probably end up being 7-10k realistically
Non Bike guy here, but seems like the lack of a fuel tank to grip with your legs would be just bad all around. They should make it a hollow tub for storage and to hold your legs in place :) ALSO you're right about the tiny battery - the Livewire has 4x the capacity and doesn't go 320 miles... :D
Take my money! :)
Perfect for commuting in the city. I’d still prefer my 2020 R3. Considering Yamaha’s best selling motorcycle is in fact the R3, beginner bikes are hot right now.
You don't need a tank to support you. Like a motocross bike. You just learn to ride it differently.
motocross bikes don't have a huge hole in the frame
@@geemy9675 I have raced tuned up 125 Honda Cubs. Trust me, you just adapt. Yes you will not be riding this bike like an R1 but that doesn't make it any less rideable.
@@JohnSmith-dt3iw if it lives up to its claims it could be an awesome bike. I'm just not comfortable shelling out that sort of money with that little info. maybe after it's been reviewed. hoping the price won't go up after the preorders
@@geemy9675 I'm the same with most kickstarter products
@@JohnSmith-dt3iw sure it's just not the same commitment as buying a $50 item. I'm already not very comfortable buying a vehicle without a test drive/ride. plus I'll be back in europe in 2022,
Exactly - a great, practical bike that suits most needs for a reasonable price. Couldn't have said it better. I've been waiting for this kind of thing....
Onyx Motorbikes is shook.
The negative space should hold a helmet, excited to see finished product.👌
*Goes 70 MPH*
*Battery dies 5 exits later*
I love the bike...
Having an easily removable battery will allow for future battery upgrades...
It would be nice to charge it at a charge point in the standard model.....
Very cool bike....... 👍👍
Style over function. The designer has obviously never ridden a bike.
I think what they should do for that "open" area is make a light weight storage compartment that fits in there. That way you could grip on with your knees and store valuable stuff in there. Thats what i would do.
Great point about its mid-market mid-role positioning. Let's hope this baby delivers!
You can stick a cushy pillow in that hole where the tank would be and have a comfortable knee squeeze. A custom backpack would also be an option. Basically a true tank bag.
At the first set of tires, I'd install 50% off road tires to use this as an urban assault dual sport bike. It seems to have adequate ground clearance and suspension.
I think the missing gas tank is a great opportunity to put a bag. I can imagine a really good look inner-frame bag. It could even have some structure to it so that you can grip it with your legs.
They said if 80 miles is not enough range, you can install a second battery in that negative space to extend your range.
Thanks bruh
I almost bought the Livewire and reconsidering it thanks to you. They are located in Commers, Ca, and if they allow, or have any available for test drives, I'm so buying one. I'll sell my stocks to have one. lol
Sondors makes such cool looking budget electric bikes
For the gas tank area they should design it a grocery compartment as well as a place to grip your knee in. Common guys, it could be your selling point right here on top of the pricing you promote ! Oh yea it would look totally better if you can customize the color of those compartment gas tank instead of seeing through
Pre-ordered mine months ago still psyched