.04mm is four hundredths of a millimeter. I’m not sure of any woodworking that needs to be that accurate. So 1.04 mm is remarkably close to 1mm, more than accurate enough. Having said that, I bought a combination square from banggoood which died after three weeks of light use, and a pocket hole clamp which was just garbage.
I would tend to agree with you bruce! I know I'm not that accurate. Thanks for sharing your experience with banggood, I think its good to hear everyone's experiences. Thanks so much and I appreciate you watching and commenting!
Sorry but I don't trust electronic calipers one bit! Its more likely the caliper that is wrong, than the setup set. apart from the bend .You can get a caliper to messure the same thing many times and it will be different each time! paterns do expire, and some some tools have patern pending on them, that means nothing if the company does not follow through to the end, and many do not ,as price is to great. Try some festool domino accessories that festool don't even make, like their repeatable guide 59" inch long with 4 adjustable hole settings and many thickness adapters included, and its red too! also this is high quality. ENJOYWOOD M1 PRO Telescope Miter Gauge Fence Extended Support for Woodworking Miter Gauge Table Saw Router Table and its no copy of any company
Thanks for sharing chris, yes that is correct they have 17 years for patents. My biggest concern is with the websites though, there are a some very interesting articles regarding many companies trying to get products taken off of banggood and temu that are direct copycats, and these websites, make it very difficult for the companies to get these copycat products off of their websites. I kind of went down a rabbit hole when I was making this video and really got kind of disgusted with the practices of these websites. And I'm with you on the digital calipers. I did multiple tests off camera and I was getting the same results, just to make sure, but yes you are correct, they can give false reads. Thanks for watching!
I think its awesome you read and thought about the comments from the last video. Having a second look at the honing guide shows your commitment to your community comments! High 5 to you on that my dude! You have greatly helped in sorting through the junk to find the gems. I vote for continuing this series/theme to locate the gems as you discover them. I gave you a like and subscribe on this one for following up just because we commented. We asked you acted 👍 Smash the like button for our dude! He earned and deserves it!🎉
The set up blocks are fine from a variance pov. However that bow is more concerning. If you use them for a thickness gauge they are going to be way off. If you stack them to create a inbetween measurement that bow will throw off the measurement. Perhaps you can put them inbetween two flat surfaces with a clamp or some weight to remove the bow. In the end you should not have to do that. If they cheap enough that might be acceptable. Otherwise bang bad.
Thank you so much for sharing Michael! I would tend to agree with you. I think the bow is the most concerning part. I can understand the bow on the smaller 1mm piece, but the larger one I was surprised by. Thank you so much for sharing and watching!
Yep! That’s why I posted you could flip it around but still doesn’t matter because it isn’t very accurate. But yes! You are totally correct! Thanks for watching!
Anxious to see the shop reno! Another good video. I have many good tools from Banggod. The best brands that I have found at this point are anything from Hongdui, Veiko, WNew, and Enjoywood.
There are other setup blocks on Banggood that are much more accurate. Some of them include a DIN certificate that show the tolerances of each block. As mentioned in previous comments, machinist standards far exceed wood working standards. My take on it is that if you can find measuring tools that meet machinist or lab quality at a really great price then go with that. But to be fair in a review of accuracy it would make sense to have compared the Fonson blocks against a set of certified DIN or ISO certified blocks. You could still use the digital calipers to check the deviation between the two block sets and thus take any inaccuracies of the calipers out of the mix.
I have a few Banggood tools, after seeing reviews on a Dutch woodworker's channel here. His recommendations have been spot on. I have the right angle corner clamps, which, as you say, work perfectly well. I try, but often don't succeed, to avoid buying things that are just copies of British or American etc. manufacturers' products. However, the prices are very competitive and within my price range when many western products aren't. I'd not seen your first item reviewed here, that shonky little angle guide before, but as soon as it was pulled out of its packaging I thought "That *must* be crap. The scale#s way too small and, for anything like that, I'd want a vernier scale. Keep up the good work!
I have those corner clamp and they work great, but i usually use trigger clamps to hold them in place and not the mechanism it comes with because its much faster.
What a great idea oralndozoli! That is my only frustration with those clamps is the stupid screw mechanism to tighten them down. Thank you so much for sharing, now I'm going to do that! (When I remember!) Thanks for watching!
Fun Saturday morning video again, Yes the setup blocks are junk, the honing guide looked very nice. I try to buy local if I can, but our woodworking store closed a few years ago and while we have Ace, Lowes and Home Depot, we really don't have anything that supplies more specialized/higher end tools, so I tend to hit up Amazon for my purchases. Get going on that remodel, I'm excited for you and excited to see how it turns out. Enjoy your weekend.
Thanks so much Pat for watching! That sucks that you only have the big box stores nearby. I'm fortunate enough to have a rockler and woodcraft nearby. But a lot of times, they don't tend to have what I need in stock, so I end up on amazon just like you! Thank you so much as always for commenting. I got your email, I'll be responding soon! I've been trying to catch up on some real life chores here at home. Contractor starts on Wednesday! Very excited. I'm not sure what I'm going to be doing for videos, but I'm going to try and still post!
Always enjoy you videos, Flynndogg. Thank you. I have my first Woodpecker item arriving soon. I should have bought it years ago instead of buying lousy knockoffs. I noticed in the comments that some people questioned your caliper set that you used to test with, but no one questioned your tests with your Woodpecker tools :-)
Oh nice! And great points. I think you will really enjoy your new woodpeckers tool. They work great, just so darn expensive! Thanks so much for watching!
It’s good for the price. The amount of them available at the value price range is kind of a mess. I like the General Tools brand calipers. I don’t buy anything at Rockler without a coupon and they email them every other week. Can also catch the calipers on sale if you’re patient.
I questioned it because the error seemed to increase with the length measured. This would indicate an error in the stationary half of the measurement element. I'd compare it against another, perhaps even different manufacturer's caliper to see if they agree. I don't think the error is going to matter that much for woodworking, though.
@@FearsomeWarrior Excellent point on the coupon. I always forget about that. I'll have to check the General tools brand out. I've had good experience with that brand in the past!
Great point Stephenebertrand! Thanks for sharing. I don't like the fact that that 1mm gauge doesn't sit flat though. But maybe that is because it is so thin... might have the same problem with all setup blocks. Thanks so much for watching! :)
As the set-up blocks go, I would personally have no issue with them, the reason being the standard that they were checked with is a very inexpensive digital caliper. that and we are talking about wood. and we all know that wood can and will move way more than the valances that were found! So, mark the BANG GOOD in my book.
Thanks so much for commenting Dusty! I hear you loud and clear about the calipers. I may even get on amazon tonight and check out some higher quality calipers. I rely on those things all the time, so probably need to step it up a bit. Thanks so much for commenting and watching!
Im not sure on the set up blocks as most wood will move more than a mm over a year, as to the bowing I’m not sure, do they bend flat if you press them 🤔. I think that you where a harsh on the angle ruler thingimagic as you can probably calibrate it somehow. Are the wheels on the honing guide brass? And does it feel as if it would hold up after multiple sharpenings, i.e angle will stay accurate.
I actually tried to bend the 1mm back into straight but in doing so, it ended up making more of a mess. You may be correct on the angle ruler thing. It could probably be worked with but, I also wasn't really impressed with how well the locking knobs worked. They didn't really hold the angles well at all. I have no complaints about that honing guide. It is by far the most secure tool out of all of them. Seems very well made, holds solid and yes, Brass or at least brass coated wheels, etc. So it should resist rust. Thanks so much for commenting and thanks for watching farmterminator!
It may have already been said, but some of the copycat tools available on Temu or Banggood may be coming from the same manufacturer that sells the identical item in the US. I’m not saying WoodPeckers or other companies are sourcing their tools from China, but there are many, many products on Amazon or sold through Home Depot or Lowe’s which are likely coming from the same factories. This also isn’t to argue that patent infringement is ok. On the other hand, I would argue that US corporations off-shoring manufacturing infrastructure and labor to China and other low-wage countries has resulted in China now having the technical expertise and infrastructure to eat our proverbial lunch, economically speaking.
Good points meowmixphd. The labor is so much cheaper in china that its hard for any company to be competive on prices without taking advantage of the cheaper labor. I also agree I don't think companies like woodpeckers are doing that, but some of the tools may be being made in the same facotry and just have logos/brands just slapped on for temu and banggood. I went down a huge rabbit hole with these companies after making this video and it is quite surprising when you dig into it about some of the questionable ethical practices of many of these websites. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective as I think it is probably very accurate in some circumstances.
Aluminium measuring tools are CNC'ed and lasered, then anodised using super expensive machines. If Chinese companies trust 8 y.o. kids to operate $100k machines then we really have zero chance competing against these 500 IQ human variant.
Hi Brian Once again I must commend you on an excellent presentation and the good work that you put I to it. I would think that the setup block thicknesses would fall within a more than acceptable tolerance for woodworking. I am thinking that the compression/relaxation of the wood during the machining process would far outweigh these relatively small tolerances. Of course it would be a different story if you were precision machining steel etc (think slip gauge territory). The one think I would agree with you on is the matter of flatness...the 1mm unit will be absolutely useless if not flat but in fairness I find it difficult to understand how something in 1mm aluminium (a little more than 1/32nd-ish in old money with an even bigger tolerance 😂) could be practical as any grade of aluminium that I know of couldn't hold an effective degree of flatness in this thickness for very long in practical real world use compared to other materials more appropriate materials..in short my vote is "Bangimpractical" for this thickness in this item. I do have excellent working experience with a couple of Banggood tools. I have a 300mm (footlong-ish in old money) precision square with mark out holes for each mm. I absolutely love this tool and it is my go to when marking out precision work. My old 30-ish year old Stanley combination square is my goto for normal work. I also have a pair of Bangoood Veiko Brand Rail Clamps. I picked up 2 of these for less than the price of one Festool/Bessey Clamp. They work fantastic, so much so that I probably only use them 10% of the time with the Tracksaw Rail, as I mostly use them for quick clamping and holding workpieces through the dog holes on my homemade 2100x1200 (7ft x 4ft in old money) multifunction cutting and assembly table (think Ron Paulk (table) on steroids). I do absolutely agree with your comment that the Inventors of the tool concepts should be rewarded for their efforts. In many cases I was not aware of the original creators / designers when I purchases (for example I hadn't heard of "Woodpeckers" until I started watching US TH-cam Creators. PS...I was going to ask if when you Made the Mickey Stand for the Mrs...was it Banggood or...other.. but I thought I shouldn't because I didn't want to upset you with more of my innuendo... 🤭
Haha! Thank you so much for making me smile this evening antomac! Now you have me wanting to check out those items you shared that you had good experiences with from banggood. It sounds like most people have gotten a few good items from them, and I definitely think they are much higher quality than Temu. Thank you so much for sharing and your well thought out ideas on the setup blocks. Thank you so much for watching and I really appreciate your comment! :)
Regarding Patent Protection, what may often appear is that a 'local business' in USA (Or UK, or Australia, or wherever) has a design but wants their manufacturing cost to come way down, so off they go to China, or India, or other Asian countries, Who tell the manufacturer, yes, we can make these for you. And some of their production (Up to spec) get rebranded with the maker's own name, but on some items, the maker looks at the original business' design, and says 'We can improve on this' and their own R&D does just that, and soon, you have a competing product and the only 'flaw' on that competing product is that it is stamped 'Made in China', and yes, I have bought stuff before where the 'Chines Version' WAS better than the original Some Chinese stuff may also involve processes or materials that Western manufacturers are not allowed to use. BTW, Banggood is NOT a manufacturer, nor is TEMU, or AliExpress, or DhGate etc etc, they are just a marketplace, no different to what Amazon does
Yup this is very common in trading cards. You know a Magic: the Gathering card is a counterfeit when it's made using a thicker stock, better prints and better finish.
H intersting video, I'm thinking of checking out the corner clamps, with regard to the set up blocks, I'd say for the average home woodworker they variance is probably ok, not sure about the bowing though. Also, Ihave found that plastic calipers like the one you used can give variable results depending on the amount of pressure you apply to the slider. looking forward to your nest video.
Great points mick! I do probably need to upgrade my calipers. I rely on them way too much not to have a really nice pair. They have really been pretty accurate for me, but I totally get everyone's concerns. Thanks so much for for commenting and watching Mick!
My biggest hurdle with the setup blocks is their unpredictability. Sure, after converting to decimal inches, one might be .04 or.0016, which is negligible, but the 100mm block was .22mm off, which converts to .00787”. That’s further off than I want to be for a reference measurement.
Yep, it was a tough call. I wish I had my regular setup blocks where I could get to them, to give them a real test... That would have made my decision a little easier to do. I suspect they are a little off as well. The bow those does concern me!
Another great video Brian think that I will take a look at a couple of these tools they seem to be much better then the Temu tools thanks for sharing as usual.
Thanks so much Jim! I appreciate that, and thanks for watching. Much more pleased with Banggood than temu, but it's definitely not perfect. Thanks as always for watching!
The first tool was a great concept, but poor execution. For the second, I’d see how much variance there is on the freedom unit blocks and if they’re close.
I totally agree! I think maybe if they made the plate just a little bit bigger so that you could see the markings better and made the holes bigger on the tool this would be an excellent option. Totally agree with you on the freedom unit conversion. Another person mentioned that as well! Thanks as always for watching! :)
Another entertaining informative video. You're getting the hang of this TH-cam stuff !! Are your cool shirts in storage, too? I have a few Woodpecker tools. They are more expensive than the Chinese knock-offs, but I have never paid full price. If you join the Woodpecker E-Club, you will get notices of discounted items. I recently bought their 3-wing, carbide insert, 1/2" shank rabbetting router bit kit for $85. It's a beaut. I also purchased the 50" "Stealth" stop fence micro-adjuster at $120 for the tablesaw. It has eliminated the tap-tap-tap-crap,too far-tap-tap adjustment process I've used for decades. Both tools were below or very near the cost of other premium products. They also sell innovative products from other small businesses. Thx.
Thank you so much richpeggyfranks! :) I appreciate the nice words. I was on that woodpeckers e-club but I think I discontinued my subscription because I was getting so many darn emails from them. You are exactly right it was a great way to see the one time tools and get alerted to their discounts. Probably need to reconsider joining back up again. Thank you so much as always for commenting and watching! :)
Don’t be too confident at what the caliper display, it could be wrong, don’t trust its accuracy until you have tested its accuracy on some real blocks and over a larger scale, most calipers are made in China too you know… errors could drift and differ all along the scale.🤔 Even for a cheap setup block those errors are too much, such a tool is meant to be more precise than using plain drills as spacers.😕
I totally agree with you in all respects! Excellent points, and after reading a lot of these comments, It sounds like I probably need to invest in some higher end calipers. At the time I bought the calipers I used in the video, I felt like you can't get much better than rockler calipers, but I think I could probably step it up, as I rely on my calipers way too much to have some that may be not etirely accurate. Thanks so much for sharing and thanks for watching Bamsebrumbansebrumen!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork I’d say nah to buy new, a machinist should have some precise stuff laying around, like a real collection of set-blocks, but I suspect strongly that you were not wrong about those red blocks being out of dim. 🙂 I fear I will now have to go and measure my own box of red stuff; I’d hate going back to drill bits.🤔 Tanks for the a good program.🙂
Love the letterkenny reference in there and setup blocks I'd say pass cause if using setup block your error looking is more than that, especially as you get older and eyes are not that good
Cheaper, but don't try to return anything Banggood. They make it impossible even when item is clearly defective. They ask to include pictures and youtube link then tell you they can't accept your files. Pay more and deal with honest dealers ... NOT Banggood. Their motto: "If you can cheat ... cheat"
I would tend to agree with you on this one. You should check out my video on my final impressions on dealing with all these chinese websites. I'm sticking to amazon in the near future. Thanks so much for sharing and watching Signsofsuccess!
How do you not know that bangggood is not a manufacturer? They're like amazon. Didn't notice the different tools have different names? They have top quality tools as well as mediocre. Just have to know what's good and what isn't. There are sites that grade their stuff.
I'm very aware of how banggood works, but they are responsible for the products they sell. They do not check to see if there is infringement on other other tools designs. There are plenty of articles about the problems manufacturers have with getting websites like these to stop selling products that are copycatting products that have not been designed by the manufacturers that are selling them..
@@FlynndoggWoodwork This guy rates a lot of banggood stuff. I stumbled across this site a while back and it piqued my interest. It's an older site so pricing is not set. th-cam.com/video/LEVjJSsZi9wh/w-d-xo.htmlttps://th-cam.com/video/pGGKtE_KDBM/w-d-xo.html As far as being ripoff clones... I disagree... mostly. If you compare it with woodpecker, the only thing that's the same is the color. If you're choosing a red tool. They are not the same. The sharpener you like is unique to them. The company is Mohoo. th-cam.com/video/TSDEbF3EdS8/w-d-xo.html
If you make furniture that you care about a deviation of 4 hundredths of a millimeter, then it should be a blow to you that 99% of buyers will not notice a deviation of 10mm. Not to mention at least putting the handmade cabinet you bought exactly. Come on, you're not Stradivarius...
For me, it's bangBAD. I bought the "Adjustable Angle Drill Guide Drill Holder Stand Positioning Bracket for Electric Drill," it lasted 20 seconds. LOL! Seriously, I am not kidding. The tool is mostly flexible plastic that will not give any accuracy or positive control when using. Aside from poor flex of the tool, is the bearing, it lasted for 20 seconds after I attached my drill and pulled the trigger. The fail of this tool was so bad, it made me laugh. I was "HAD" by the deal that was too good to be true. Avoid Banggood, purchase local or carry out your diligence before buying.
Oh man! I wonder if that is similar to the milescraft drill guide. I have the rockler one and it works pretty well and is really secure but it still has it's problems as well. Thank you so much for your comment and thank you for watching rauladame!
A few weeks after I was done laughing at myself I picked up the Rockler Drill Guide. You are correct, the Rockler drill could take a lot of effort to set up. The effort may seem like over kill sometimes but for that one hole that has to be just right, it can make a build or leave a builder thinking "I should have done it." The stability of the Rockler drill guide after set is really nice. myself@@FlynndoggWoodwork
@@rauladame2105 That's awesome to hear Rauladame! I agree with you the rockler drill guide can be much steadier with proper set up. I need to add a larger base to mine! Thanks for sharing! :)
il faudrait avant effectuer un contrôle du pied à coulisse avec des plots certifiés de métrologie afin de s'assurer que les données mesurées sont correctes ....
I am in UK and have been shopping with banggood for a few years and I use PayPal personaly, and they are a lagit company and very good to deal with. I have never had a failed delivery. It takes about 7 to 10 days to get stuff, but if its from their UK warehouse its only up to 3 days
Pretty sure they take paypal. But it's not a small fly-by-nite company. They've been around for a while. They have shipping warehouses all over the place.
Oh, man! A price like that I guess was too good to be true! Thank you so much for sharing! I think I saw that router on there, and was thinking about testing it, but I'm glad I caught your comment on it before hand! Thanks for watching Alan!
Dogg, man, be careful, you may be on some kind of watch list doing all this business with the CCP. Now did you say, "Paolini pocket rule?" Thanks, we finally got the push-ups back on track with all the Woodpecker references and uses in the video. So I guess it will be months before we see the router sled, now that we are all packed up for your upcoming renovation? Bang on, Dogg man.
I brought out that paolini pocket rule just for you Mr Meat. It wasn't getting enough play time in recent videos and frankly I don't want you turning soft on me! :) Funny you ask about that router sled, I'm actually going to try and do a video on that this week. It is one of the few things sitting in my empty shop right now. I'm realizing that many of the tools I need for things though were packed away, so I'm umpacking a few items. Construction starts wednesday, Fingers crossed!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Dogg man, the construction is going to be bang good. I can't say that we aren't jealous of the size of your work space. After the improvements you've noted are done, you'll never have to return to the main house. We've watched the Paolini for awhile now and I may (just maybe) have my guys get me one. Good luck with the shop!
The variance in your descriptions seems to be pretty consistent and is a percentage of the number and the distance measured not just a larger or smaller number. You also need to do repetitions and increase your sample size. Measuring a single tool is not statistically significant, you need at least 7 to 10 samples. This is the problem with many of these so-called TH-cam "tests and evaluations". If you want to do more stuff like this and be credible then go take some math and stat courses at your local community college. Every measuring device has an error and is reflected as 0.01% or similar reading depending upon the test results. Statistically and mathematically this video is manbad.
I did do many off camera measurements, more than 10 on every measurement I did. My education includes undergraduate at the University of Notre Dame, Masters in Business Administration From the Kelly School of Business at Indiana University. I don't think I need to justify my tests. Everything I show on this channel is 100% transparent and accurate to the best of my abilities. TH-cam has a limited timeframe to keep viewers interested. I'm not going to go over standard deviations of testing on this woodworking channel.
As stated in the video the cost of research and development is figured in. Bangood just steals the design and goes right to production. That's why China has no Festool equivalent. When was the last time you saw a high quality original design tool from china?
You'd be surprised how much of our stuff is developed in China. While we propagandize ourselves to think we are superior, China actually has some really high tech stuff. China is just as modern as we are (and perhaps in some ways more).
@@seanbrotherton542 not too much R&D required in a square.....90 degrees has been square for thousands of years. But I get that for more complex stuff. It's pretty terrible to charge $125 for a square tho.
@@wesandell I don't think that it's about superiority, it's just about supporting people that have businesses in our own country as often as it is practical to do so. Woodpeckers doesn't make it practical.
@@TomL- please don't misunderstand me. I'm all for promoting American manufacturing. The problem is it's just so much cheaper to produce goods in China, especially at scale. There are political reasons why that is though. NAFTA destroyed US manufacturing and the terrible economic policies of our government over the last 50+ years has made it so we cannot compete. I get that for many middle class hobbiests, spending an extra $100 on a square to promote a local business is a good thing. But for the average joe, that's too much. Of course, you could make the argument that none of these types of tools are really necessary anyway and are just luxuries, lol. I get the IP considerations and that's unfortunate. If I made something, I'd want protection too. But, let's be honest, most people don't care. They want the best tool at the cheapest price. People respond to incentives. Until our govt deals with our currency and trade issues that make our manufacturing so much less competitive and the value of our money crap, nothing in that arena is going to change much.
I would buy the honing guide set. Although it is stolen from Woodpecker it was a limited production tool and Woodpecker no longer offers it. To me that says they made there money back on research and development as well as a fair profit. If thats true then I still struggle to accept the long term high prices on Festool, Woodpecker and others. Surely the Domino has paid for itself and all development cost right? But i digress. If Woodpecker chooses to no longer produce the honing guide then so be it. Banggood it is!
That makes me feel better Sean! :) Plus I don't think woodpeckers is is hurting in anyway for profit, but who knows, it costs a lot to product those tools. I agree with you on the honing guide. Excellent tool and it will be replacing my veritas honing guide, which was always a little bit of a pain in the a$$ to set up!
@FlynndoggWoodwork I'm glad you mentioned the Veritas. I've been looking at that one. But now I'm seeing this one as cheaper, dummy proof, and seemingly we'll built. If the actual guide and rollers hold up then it'll be good! Woodpecker talked about the rubber grommets going on the brass wheels in those grooves. But I'm wondering how much and if it throws off the degree setting? But they say it saves the brass on diamond stones and easier on wet stones.
@@seanbrotherton542 That veritas is nice, but definately not as easy to set up as this one. I suspect my veritas will start to gather dust with this new one... that is unless I fun into something I'm not expecting!
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.04mm is four hundredths of a millimeter. I’m not sure of any woodworking that needs to be that accurate. So 1.04 mm is remarkably close to 1mm, more than accurate enough. Having said that, I bought a combination square from banggoood which died after three weeks of light use, and a pocket hole clamp which was just garbage.
I would tend to agree with you bruce! I know I'm not that accurate. Thanks for sharing your experience with banggood, I think its good to hear everyone's experiences. Thanks so much and I appreciate you watching and commenting!
Sorry but I don't trust electronic calipers one bit! Its more likely the caliper that is wrong, than the setup set. apart from the bend .You can get a caliper to messure the same thing many times and it will be different each time!
paterns do expire, and some some tools have patern pending on them, that means nothing if the company does not follow through to the end, and many do not ,as price is to great. Try some festool domino accessories that festool don't even make, like their repeatable guide 59" inch long with 4 adjustable hole settings and many thickness adapters included, and its red too! also this is high quality. ENJOYWOOD M1 PRO Telescope Miter Gauge Fence Extended Support for Woodworking Miter Gauge Table Saw Router Table and its no copy of any company
Thanks for sharing chris, yes that is correct they have 17 years for patents. My biggest concern is with the websites though, there are a some very interesting articles regarding many companies trying to get products taken off of banggood and temu that are direct copycats, and these websites, make it very difficult for the companies to get these copycat products off of their websites. I kind of went down a rabbit hole when I was making this video and really got kind of disgusted with the practices of these websites. And I'm with you on the digital calipers. I did multiple tests off camera and I was getting the same results, just to make sure, but yes you are correct, they can give false reads. Thanks for watching!
I think its awesome you read and thought about the comments from the last video. Having a second look at the honing guide shows your commitment to your community comments! High 5 to you on that my dude! You have greatly helped in sorting through the junk to find the gems. I vote for continuing this series/theme to locate the gems as you discover them.
I gave you a like and subscribe on this one for following up just because we commented. We asked you acted 👍
Smash the like button for our dude! He earned and deserves it!🎉
You are way too kind Sean! Thank you so much for that! :)
Very helpful thanks.
@@dtork47 Thank you for watching dtork47!
The set up blocks are fine from a variance pov. However that bow is more concerning. If you use them for a thickness gauge they are going to be way off. If you stack them to create a inbetween measurement that bow will throw off the measurement. Perhaps you can put them inbetween two flat surfaces with a clamp or some weight to remove the bow. In the end you should not have to do that. If they cheap enough that might be acceptable. Otherwise bang bad.
Thank you so much for sharing Michael! I would tend to agree with you. I think the bow is the most concerning part. I can understand the bow on the smaller 1mm piece, but the larger one I was surprised by. Thank you so much for sharing and watching!
The ruler that had degrees on it, both sides have zero on it
Yep! That’s why I posted you could flip it around but still doesn’t matter because it isn’t very accurate. But yes! You are totally correct! Thanks for watching!
On those corner clamps I use the clamps parts to hold a sacrificial fence on my dewalt table saw also 👍
Oh nice! Good idea! Thanks for sharing baddog! Never thought of that!
Anxious to see the shop reno! Another good video. I have many good tools from Banggod. The best brands that I have found at this point are anything from Hongdui, Veiko, WNew, and Enjoywood.
That's great to know NPOAfterMidnight! Thank you so much for sharing. Shop reno starts on Wednesday, Excited to see how it turns out as well!
There are other setup blocks on Banggood that are much more accurate. Some of them include a DIN certificate that show the tolerances of each block. As mentioned in previous comments, machinist standards far exceed wood working standards. My take on it is that if you can find measuring tools that meet machinist or lab quality at a really great price then go with that. But to be fair in a review of accuracy it would make sense to have compared the Fonson blocks against a set of certified DIN or ISO certified blocks. You could still use the digital calipers to check the deviation between the two block sets and thus take any inaccuracies of the calipers out of the mix.
Thank you so much for the comment and the suggestions. Really appreciate it hastingb. Great points and I appreciate you watching!
As for the variance setup blocks the fuzz or movement of the wood most likely is more that. I use a 0.7 mm pencil for 90%+ of my marking
That is an excellent point Monte with the wood movement, thanks for bringing that to my attention! Thanks so much for watching!
I have a few Banggood tools, after seeing reviews on a Dutch woodworker's channel here.
His recommendations have been spot on.
I have the right angle corner clamps, which, as you say, work perfectly well. I try, but often don't succeed, to avoid buying things that are just copies of British or American etc. manufacturers' products. However, the prices are very competitive and within my price range when many western products aren't.
I'd not seen your first item reviewed here, that shonky little angle guide before, but as soon as it was pulled out of its packaging I thought "That *must* be crap. The scale#s way too small and, for anything like that, I'd want a vernier scale.
Keep up the good work!
Dennis from Hooked on Wood - his reviews are very fair and accurate.
@@barryallin8161 Yeah... I just wasn't sure about the etiquette of name checking another channel in Bryan's messages!
I'm all about hearing about other channels! :) Love learning about other channels with good information! Thanks for sharing Mark!
I have those corner clamp and they work great, but i usually use trigger clamps to hold them in place and not the mechanism it comes with because its much faster.
What a great idea oralndozoli! That is my only frustration with those clamps is the stupid screw mechanism to tighten them down. Thank you so much for sharing, now I'm going to do that! (When I remember!) Thanks for watching!
I have a set as well, though I’ve yet to have a project to use them on. 😂
Fun Saturday morning video again, Yes the setup blocks are junk, the honing guide looked very nice. I try to buy local if I can, but our woodworking store closed a few years ago and while we have Ace, Lowes and Home Depot, we really don't have anything that supplies more specialized/higher end tools, so I tend to hit up Amazon for my purchases. Get going on that remodel, I'm excited for you and excited to see how it turns out. Enjoy your weekend.
Thanks so much Pat for watching! That sucks that you only have the big box stores nearby. I'm fortunate enough to have a rockler and woodcraft nearby. But a lot of times, they don't tend to have what I need in stock, so I end up on amazon just like you! Thank you so much as always for commenting. I got your email, I'll be responding soon! I've been trying to catch up on some real life chores here at home. Contractor starts on Wednesday! Very excited. I'm not sure what I'm going to be doing for videos, but I'm going to try and still post!
Always enjoy you videos, Flynndogg. Thank you. I have my first Woodpecker item arriving soon. I should have bought it years ago instead of buying lousy knockoffs.
I noticed in the comments that some people questioned your caliper set that you used to test with, but no one questioned your tests with your Woodpecker tools :-)
Oh nice! And great points. I think you will really enjoy your new woodpeckers tool. They work great, just so darn expensive! Thanks so much for watching!
Are you sure that Rocker caliper is good?
It's the main one I use for my measurements. I've never had any problems with it, but great question! Thanks for watching kwilliams!
It’s good for the price. The amount of them available at the value price range is kind of a mess. I like the General Tools brand calipers. I don’t buy anything at Rockler without a coupon and they email them every other week. Can also catch the calipers on sale if you’re patient.
I questioned it because the error seemed to increase with the length measured. This would indicate an error in the stationary half of the measurement element.
I'd compare it against another, perhaps even different manufacturer's caliper to see if they agree. I don't think the error is going to matter that much for woodworking, though.
@@FearsomeWarrior Excellent point on the coupon. I always forget about that. I'll have to check the General tools brand out. I've had good experience with that brand in the past!
@@kwilliams2239 Great point kwilliams!
Everything I’ve bought from Banggood has been really nice. Shame we can’t do it in the Western world at that quality and price.
I hear you! I guess that is the price we pay for living in a 1st world country. Thanks for watching Tony!
you need to convert your mm to inches. the 1 mm block was .04 mm off. That converts to .0016 in. in woodworking that's negligible
Great point Stephenebertrand! Thanks for sharing. I don't like the fact that that 1mm gauge doesn't sit flat though. But maybe that is because it is so thin... might have the same problem with all setup blocks. Thanks so much for watching! :)
As the set-up blocks go, I would personally have no issue with them, the reason being the standard that they were checked with is a very inexpensive digital caliper. that and we are talking about wood. and we all know that wood can and will move way more than the valances that were found! So, mark the BANG GOOD in my book.
Thanks so much for commenting Dusty! I hear you loud and clear about the calipers. I may even get on amazon tonight and check out some higher quality calipers. I rely on those things all the time, so probably need to step it up a bit. Thanks so much for commenting and watching!
Great video!
I especially enjoyed the interjected memes.
Thanks.
Haha! Thanks so much! I really appreciate you watching Franklinkarrass!
Im not sure on the set up blocks as most wood will move more than a mm over a year, as to the bowing I’m not sure, do they bend flat if you press them 🤔. I think that you where a harsh on the angle ruler thingimagic as you can probably calibrate it somehow. Are the wheels on the honing guide brass? And does it feel as if it would hold up after multiple sharpenings, i.e angle will stay accurate.
I actually tried to bend the 1mm back into straight but in doing so, it ended up making more of a mess. You may be correct on the angle ruler thing. It could probably be worked with but, I also wasn't really impressed with how well the locking knobs worked. They didn't really hold the angles well at all. I have no complaints about that honing guide. It is by far the most secure tool out of all of them. Seems very well made, holds solid and yes, Brass or at least brass coated wheels, etc. So it should resist rust. Thanks so much for commenting and thanks for watching farmterminator!
It may have already been said, but some of the copycat tools available on Temu or Banggood may be coming from the same manufacturer that sells the identical item in the US. I’m not saying WoodPeckers or other companies are sourcing their tools from China, but there are many, many products on Amazon or sold through Home Depot or Lowe’s which are likely coming from the same factories. This also isn’t to argue that patent infringement is ok. On the other hand, I would argue that US corporations off-shoring manufacturing infrastructure and labor to China and other low-wage countries has resulted in China now having the technical expertise and infrastructure to eat our proverbial lunch, economically speaking.
Good points meowmixphd. The labor is so much cheaper in china that its hard for any company to be competive on prices without taking advantage of the cheaper labor. I also agree I don't think companies like woodpeckers are doing that, but some of the tools may be being made in the same facotry and just have logos/brands just slapped on for temu and banggood. I went down a huge rabbit hole with these companies after making this video and it is quite surprising when you dig into it about some of the questionable ethical practices of many of these websites. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective as I think it is probably very accurate in some circumstances.
Aluminium measuring tools are CNC'ed and lasered, then anodised using super expensive machines. If Chinese companies trust 8 y.o. kids to operate $100k machines then we really have zero chance competing against these 500 IQ human variant.
So, you said, "touching your wood to scribe lines"...I had to take a deep breath & laugh about that one
Haha! I'm glad I'm not the only one with a sense of humor like that. Missed opportunity! :) Thanks for watching bansheeindahouz!
Hi Brian
Once again I must commend you on an excellent presentation and the good work that you put I to it.
I would think that the setup block thicknesses would fall within a more than acceptable tolerance for woodworking. I am thinking that the compression/relaxation of the wood during the machining process would far outweigh these relatively small tolerances. Of course it would be a different story if you were precision machining steel etc (think slip gauge territory). The one think I would agree with you on is the matter of flatness...the 1mm unit will be absolutely useless if not flat but in fairness I find it difficult to understand how something in 1mm aluminium (a little more than 1/32nd-ish in old money with an even bigger tolerance 😂) could be practical as any grade of aluminium that I know of couldn't hold an effective degree of flatness in this thickness for very long in practical real world use compared to other materials more appropriate materials..in short my vote is "Bangimpractical" for this thickness in this item.
I do have excellent working experience with a couple of Banggood tools. I have a 300mm (footlong-ish in old money) precision square with mark out holes for each mm. I absolutely love this tool and it is my go to when marking out precision work. My old 30-ish year old Stanley combination square is my goto for normal work.
I also have a pair of Bangoood Veiko Brand Rail Clamps. I picked up 2 of these for less than the price of one Festool/Bessey Clamp. They work fantastic, so much so that I probably only use them 10% of the time with the Tracksaw Rail, as I mostly use them for quick clamping and holding workpieces through the dog holes on my homemade 2100x1200 (7ft x 4ft in old money) multifunction cutting and assembly table (think Ron Paulk (table) on steroids).
I do absolutely agree with your comment that the Inventors of the tool concepts should be rewarded for their efforts. In many cases I was not aware of the original creators / designers when I purchases (for example I hadn't heard of "Woodpeckers" until I started watching US TH-cam Creators.
PS...I was going to ask if when you Made the Mickey Stand for the Mrs...was it Banggood or...other.. but I thought I shouldn't because I didn't want to upset you with more of my innuendo... 🤭
Haha! Thank you so much for making me smile this evening antomac! Now you have me wanting to check out those items you shared that you had good experiences with from banggood. It sounds like most people have gotten a few good items from them, and I definitely think they are much higher quality than Temu. Thank you so much for sharing and your well thought out ideas on the setup blocks. Thank you so much for watching and I really appreciate your comment! :)
Regarding Patent Protection, what may often appear is that a 'local business' in USA (Or UK, or Australia, or wherever) has a design but wants their manufacturing cost to come way down, so off they go to China, or India, or other
Asian countries, Who tell the manufacturer, yes, we can make these for you. And some of their production (Up to spec) get rebranded with the maker's own name, but on some items, the maker looks at the original business' design, and says 'We can improve on this' and their own R&D does just that, and soon, you have a competing product and the only 'flaw' on that competing product is that it is stamped 'Made in China', and yes, I have bought stuff before where the 'Chines Version' WAS better than the original
Some Chinese stuff may also involve processes or materials that Western manufacturers are not allowed to use.
BTW, Banggood is NOT a manufacturer, nor is TEMU, or AliExpress, or DhGate etc etc, they are just a marketplace, no different to what Amazon does
Thank you for sharing this Paul! All great things to consider. Really appreciate you watching!
Yup this is very common in trading cards. You know a Magic: the Gathering card is a counterfeit when it's made using a thicker stock, better prints and better finish.
H intersting video, I'm thinking of checking out the corner clamps, with regard to the set up blocks, I'd say for the average home woodworker they variance is probably ok, not sure about the bowing though. Also, Ihave found that plastic calipers like the one you used can give variable results depending on the amount of pressure you apply to the slider. looking forward to your nest video.
Great points mick! I do probably need to upgrade my calipers. I rely on them way too much not to have a really nice pair. They have really been pretty accurate for me, but I totally get everyone's concerns. Thanks so much for for commenting and watching Mick!
My biggest hurdle with the setup blocks is their unpredictability. Sure, after converting to decimal inches, one might be .04 or.0016, which is negligible, but the 100mm block was .22mm off, which converts to .00787”. That’s further off than I want to be for a reference measurement.
Yep, it was a tough call. I wish I had my regular setup blocks where I could get to them, to give them a real test... That would have made my decision a little easier to do. I suspect they are a little off as well. The bow those does concern me!
Another great video Brian think that I will take a look at a couple of these tools they seem to be much better then the Temu tools thanks for sharing as usual.
Thanks so much Jim! I appreciate that, and thanks for watching. Much more pleased with Banggood than temu, but it's definitely not perfect. Thanks as always for watching!
The largest error in the blocks was 0.22 mm. That is 0.0087 in. I don't see a problem.
That's not bad! :) Thanks for watchign Donald!
The first tool was a great concept, but poor execution. For the second, I’d see how much variance there is on the freedom unit blocks and if they’re close.
I totally agree! I think maybe if they made the plate just a little bit bigger so that you could see the markings better and made the holes bigger on the tool this would be an excellent option. Totally agree with you on the freedom unit conversion. Another person mentioned that as well! Thanks as always for watching! :)
Another entertaining informative video. You're getting the hang of this TH-cam stuff !! Are your cool shirts in storage, too? I have a few Woodpecker tools. They are more expensive than the Chinese knock-offs, but I have never paid full price. If you join the Woodpecker E-Club, you will get notices of discounted items. I recently bought their 3-wing, carbide insert, 1/2" shank rabbetting router bit kit for $85. It's a beaut. I also purchased the 50" "Stealth" stop fence micro-adjuster at $120 for the tablesaw. It has eliminated the tap-tap-tap-crap,too far-tap-tap adjustment process I've used for decades. Both tools were below or very near the cost of other premium products. They also sell innovative products from other small businesses. Thx.
Thank you so much richpeggyfranks! :) I appreciate the nice words. I was on that woodpeckers e-club but I think I discontinued my subscription because I was getting so many darn emails from them. You are exactly right it was a great way to see the one time tools and get alerted to their discounts. Probably need to reconsider joining back up again. Thank you so much as always for commenting and watching! :)
Yep. Too many damn e-mails. I'll probably get tired of it eventually. Haha@@FlynndoggWoodwork
Found the same problem
Good to know Donschweltzer! I haven't bought anything from them since i did this video. Thanks for watching!
Don’t be too confident at what the caliper display, it could be wrong, don’t trust its accuracy until you have tested its accuracy on some real blocks and over a larger scale, most calipers are made in China too you know… errors could drift and differ all along the scale.🤔
Even for a cheap setup block those errors are too much, such a tool is meant to be more precise than using plain drills as spacers.😕
I totally agree with you in all respects! Excellent points, and after reading a lot of these comments, It sounds like I probably need to invest in some higher end calipers. At the time I bought the calipers I used in the video, I felt like you can't get much better than rockler calipers, but I think I could probably step it up, as I rely on my calipers way too much to have some that may be not etirely accurate. Thanks so much for sharing and thanks for watching Bamsebrumbansebrumen!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork I’d say nah to buy new, a machinist should have some precise stuff laying around, like a real collection of set-blocks, but I suspect strongly that you were not wrong about those red blocks being out of dim. 🙂
I fear I will now have to go and measure my own box of red stuff; I’d hate going back to drill bits.🤔
Tanks for the a good program.🙂
Love the letterkenny reference in there and setup blocks I'd say pass cause if using setup block your error looking is more than that, especially as you get older and eyes are not that good
Haha! I 100 percent agree with you! The older I get the harder and harder it is for me to see anything up close! :) Thanks for watching littlebro!
Cheaper, but don't try to return anything Banggood. They make it impossible even when item is clearly defective. They ask to include pictures and youtube link then tell you they can't accept your files. Pay more and deal with honest dealers ... NOT Banggood. Their motto: "If you can cheat ... cheat"
I would tend to agree with you on this one. You should check out my video on my final impressions on dealing with all these chinese websites. I'm sticking to amazon in the near future. Thanks so much for sharing and watching Signsofsuccess!
Ah yes the tremendous R&D associated with... A square... A tool that has been around for hundreds of years.
Haha! You make a very valid point. How does woodpeckers charge so much for this old fashioned tool! :). Thanks for watching Segphalt!
How do you not know that bangggood is not a manufacturer? They're like amazon. Didn't notice the different tools have different names? They have top quality tools as well as mediocre. Just have to know what's good and what isn't. There are sites that grade their stuff.
I'm very aware of how banggood works, but they are responsible for the products they sell. They do not check to see if there is infringement on other other tools designs. There are plenty of articles about the problems manufacturers have with getting websites like these to stop selling products that are copycatting products that have not been designed by the manufacturers that are selling them..
@@FlynndoggWoodwork This guy rates a lot of banggood stuff. I stumbled across this site a while back and it piqued my interest.
It's an older site so pricing is not set.
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As far as being ripoff clones... I disagree... mostly. If you compare it with woodpecker, the only thing that's the same is the color. If you're choosing a red tool. They are not the same. The sharpener you like is unique to them. The company is Mohoo.
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If you make furniture that you care about a deviation of 4 hundredths of a millimeter, then it should be a blow to you that 99% of buyers will not notice a deviation of 10mm. Not to mention at least putting the handmade cabinet you bought exactly. Come on, you're not Stradivarius...
If I was, I'd probably need to start taking violin lessons! :). Thanks so much for watching maxxrumm!
For me, it's bangBAD. I bought the "Adjustable Angle Drill Guide Drill Holder Stand Positioning Bracket for Electric Drill," it lasted 20 seconds. LOL! Seriously, I am not kidding. The tool is mostly flexible plastic that will not give any accuracy or positive control when using. Aside from poor flex of the tool, is the bearing, it lasted for 20 seconds after I attached my drill and pulled the trigger. The fail of this tool was so bad, it made me laugh. I was "HAD" by the deal that was too good to be true. Avoid Banggood, purchase local or carry out your diligence before buying.
Oh man! I wonder if that is similar to the milescraft drill guide. I have the rockler one and it works pretty well and is really secure but it still has it's problems as well. Thank you so much for your comment and thank you for watching rauladame!
A few weeks after I was done laughing at myself I picked up the Rockler Drill Guide. You are correct, the Rockler drill could take a lot of effort to set up. The effort may seem like over kill sometimes but for that one hole that has to be just right, it can make a build or leave a builder thinking "I should have done it." The stability of the Rockler drill guide after set is really nice. myself@@FlynndoggWoodwork
@@rauladame2105 That's awesome to hear Rauladame! I agree with you the rockler drill guide can be much steadier with proper set up. I need to add a larger base to mine! Thanks for sharing! :)
Thank you for sharing this review of banggood
You're welcome Norm! Thanks for watching!
il faudrait avant effectuer un contrôle du pied à coulisse avec des plots certifiés de métrologie afin de s'assurer que les données mesurées sont correctes ....
Thanks for your suggestion! It's always important to ensure accurate measurements for reliable data.
Good job!
Thanks so much Paul! I appreciate it, thanks as always for watching!
pour les serre-joint d'angle il fallait prendre des modèles plus grands !
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment! I value your feedback and will keep it in mind for my next vide!.
How do you pay for the Banggood tools?
I would not use my credit card with this Chinese company.
I've always used PayPal and I've never had a problem
I am in UK and have been shopping with banggood for a few years and I use PayPal personaly, and they are a lagit company and very good to deal with. I have never had a failed delivery. It takes about 7 to 10 days to get stuff, but if its from their UK warehouse its only up to 3 days
The money conundrum. To have cuz it’s affordable. And hurt Americans VS. Not to have cuz it’s $$$$$ And still not help American small business.
Very good point
Pretty sure they take paypal. But it's not a small fly-by-nite company. They've been around for a while. They have shipping warehouses all over the place.
I bought a trim router for €30. Absolute useless piece of crap i binned it after a couple of uses 😂😂
Oh, man! A price like that I guess was too good to be true! Thank you so much for sharing! I think I saw that router on there, and was thinking about testing it, but I'm glad I caught your comment on it before hand! Thanks for watching Alan!
Dogg, man, be careful, you may be on some kind of watch list doing all this business with the CCP. Now did you say, "Paolini pocket rule?" Thanks, we finally got the push-ups back on track with all the Woodpecker references and uses in the video. So I guess it will be months before we see the router sled, now that we are all packed up for your upcoming renovation? Bang on, Dogg man.
I brought out that paolini pocket rule just for you Mr Meat. It wasn't getting enough play time in recent videos and frankly I don't want you turning soft on me! :) Funny you ask about that router sled, I'm actually going to try and do a video on that this week. It is one of the few things sitting in my empty shop right now. I'm realizing that many of the tools I need for things though were packed away, so I'm umpacking a few items. Construction starts wednesday, Fingers crossed!
@@FlynndoggWoodwork Dogg man, the construction is going to be bang good. I can't say that we aren't jealous of the size of your work space. After the improvements you've noted are done, you'll never have to return to the main house. We've watched the Paolini for awhile now and I may (just maybe) have my guys get me one. Good luck with the shop!
@@themeat5053 I may have them add on a bedroom. Seriously! :)
Amazon sells a whole bunch of Chinese products!
Thanks for watching Gerard!
set up blocks.. bang bad.
I would agree with you Roy. It's the bow that scares me.
The variance in your descriptions seems to be pretty consistent and is a percentage of the number and the distance measured not just a larger or smaller number. You also need to do repetitions and increase your sample size. Measuring a single tool is not statistically significant, you need at least 7 to 10 samples. This is the problem with many of these so-called TH-cam "tests and evaluations". If you want to do more stuff like this and be credible then go take some math and stat courses at your local community college. Every measuring device has an error and is reflected as 0.01% or similar reading depending upon the test results. Statistically and mathematically this video is manbad.
I did do many off camera measurements, more than 10 on every measurement I did. My education includes undergraduate at the University of Notre Dame, Masters in Business Administration From the Kelly School of Business at Indiana University. I don't think I need to justify my tests. Everything I show on this channel is 100% transparent and accurate to the best of my abilities. TH-cam has a limited timeframe to keep viewers interested. I'm not going to go over standard deviations of testing on this woodworking channel.
On a sample size of one?@@FlynndoggWoodwork
I have no issues buying the the Chinese tools. If the original tools didn't have opportunistic pricing the Chinese versions wouldn't exist.
Thanks for watching Julesc!
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Thank you so much Michael, and thanks for watching!
These smaller businesses would have to worry less about companies like Banggood if they didn't sell simple woodworking squares for $125, lol.
As stated in the video the cost of research and development is figured in. Bangood just steals the design and goes right to production. That's why China has no Festool equivalent. When was the last time you saw a high quality original design tool from china?
You'd be surprised how much of our stuff is developed in China. While we propagandize ourselves to think we are superior, China actually has some really high tech stuff. China is just as modern as we are (and perhaps in some ways more).
@@seanbrotherton542 not too much R&D required in a square.....90 degrees has been square for thousands of years. But I get that for more complex stuff. It's pretty terrible to charge $125 for a square tho.
@@wesandell I don't think that it's about superiority, it's just about supporting people that have businesses in our own country as often as it is practical to do so. Woodpeckers doesn't make it practical.
@@TomL- please don't misunderstand me. I'm all for promoting American manufacturing. The problem is it's just so much cheaper to produce goods in China, especially at scale. There are political reasons why that is though. NAFTA destroyed US manufacturing and the terrible economic policies of our government over the last 50+ years has made it so we cannot compete. I get that for many middle class hobbiests, spending an extra $100 on a square to promote a local business is a good thing. But for the average joe, that's too much.
Of course, you could make the argument that none of these types of tools are really necessary anyway and are just luxuries, lol. I get the IP considerations and that's unfortunate. If I made something, I'd want protection too. But, let's be honest, most people don't care. They want the best tool at the cheapest price. People respond to incentives. Until our govt deals with our currency and trade issues that make our manufacturing so much less competitive and the value of our money crap, nothing in that arena is going to change much.
I would buy the honing guide set. Although it is stolen from Woodpecker it was a limited production tool and Woodpecker no longer offers it. To me that says they made there money back on research and development as well as a fair profit. If thats true then I still struggle to accept the long term high prices on Festool, Woodpecker and others.
Surely the Domino has paid for itself and all development cost right? But i digress. If Woodpecker chooses to no longer produce the honing guide then so be it. Banggood it is!
That makes me feel better Sean! :) Plus I don't think woodpeckers is is hurting in anyway for profit, but who knows, it costs a lot to product those tools. I agree with you on the honing guide. Excellent tool and it will be replacing my veritas honing guide, which was always a little bit of a pain in the a$$ to set up!
@FlynndoggWoodwork I'm glad you mentioned the Veritas. I've been looking at that one. But now I'm seeing this one as cheaper, dummy proof, and seemingly we'll built. If the actual guide and rollers hold up then it'll be good! Woodpecker talked about the rubber grommets going on the brass wheels in those grooves. But I'm wondering how much and if it throws off the degree setting? But they say it saves the brass on diamond stones and easier on wet stones.
@@seanbrotherton542 That veritas is nice, but definately not as easy to set up as this one. I suspect my veritas will start to gather dust with this new one... that is unless I fun into something I'm not expecting!
I’m sorry woodpeckers is ridiculously expensive
I agree, I've found so many other great alternatives, I would have a hard time spending the money on them today.