I think i quite understand why HG would give his wolf such a stat. First, because he's a vanguard stereotype which is the cheapest DP unit in the game and with his wolf don't need any DP to deploy at all. Second, he's a free vanguard that you will eventually obtained as long as you play the Il Siracusano event. Third, HG might possibly don't want us as a player to heavily rely on Vigil not only as our DP printer, but also a cheap summon that ignore deployment limit with 3 blocks on their future level. I mean when you think about what would happen if Vigil's wolf has around 2000 HP with 400-500 ATK and 350-400 DEF, he's technically become a 2 unit (ranged and melee) which only cost 14 DP, only consume 1 deployment slot and additionally can also generate DP constantly depends on which skill you pick. If i think about it, Vigil would be pretty broken if HG buff his wolf. But yeah, as of now i should agree with Kukki that Vigil IS THE WORST 6* OPERATOR RIGHT NOW. What kind of balancing would be good for our Vigil? I don't know, i'm a noob doctor after all.
@@drsnorlax_felineknights the argument that he is free is kinda stupid tho. We have gladia. She is broken. His wolves could have those stats maybe a little less and keep some of the block but rn it doesnt make any sense.
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052 Even without her busted module, Gladiia by herself is a solid unit. She's a great puller. Vigil really has no excuse to be this bad for a 6*, free or not. Edit: Lumen as well is also another great free 6*
One important point absent from this analysis is that Vigil and his wolves ignore 200 DEF when attacking enemies blocked by the wolves. That talent, combined with the Tactician trait and all of his multi-hit mechanics, lets Vigil punch way above his numbers with respect to lane holding which is why he can lane hold almost as well as Mountain - one of our best 6 stars - against low to mid DEF despite being a welfare vanguard. His 6 star rating is justified. The problem is that because Vigil's power is tethered to his wolf stacking spirits and blocking things, the wolf needs to be able to actually take hits *without* relying on spirits - which they can't. If Shining's Talent worked on Vigil's wolf, he'd be A LOT more effective. If the wolf had regen, he'd be a lot more effective. If Vigil could bank Wolf Spirits...etc. etc. He ALMOST works, but really needs to solve the durability issue. A module alone could probably do it.
Part of his issue is that as a 6*, he may be a welfare operator, but he still costs so much to upgrade. Unless you have everyone at E2 already, the resources are better spent on almost anything else. If he was a 4*, he’d be a fun niche unit to play with. You touch on his main flaw - he’s close to being good at a lot of things, but suffers from hybrid units being very hard to balance. And he’s just underwhelming in every role.
He cant lanehold as good as mountain unfortunately because his 3rd skill is not infinite, takes ton of sp to use again, and way too short time for that sp cost. Also dont ignore the fact that if an enemy passes wolf, vigil *DOES NOT* prioritize the enemy blocked by the wolf lmao, making vigil even worse once enemies start to pass wolf.
I think a good change for his module to buff him would be to make it so whenever he adds a wolf to the pack, he makes them immediately deal 165% ATK as Arts damage twice to all surrounding enemies and Stun them for 2 seconds, then release a Sword Rain at up to 4 different targets within range every second that deals 130% ATK as Arts damagve and Stun for 0.2 seconds.
I've maxed him, no regrets. Only wish the devs will later FIX the fact that he should PRIORITIZE targeting enemies blocked by Wolfpack FIRST!! P.S: Sorry for the outburst.
Only way to do that with the tacticians is placing the summon at the range edge closest to the box, not always feasible. What I want to see is s2 storing charges and healing based on damage, with a minimum of 15% max hp like it is right now.
I think that would be worse. Imagine the wolfpack is blocking a super tanky dude. Wouldn't you want Vigil to kill the crap units that would just walk past the wolfpack otherwise?
it's especially painful because i love him genuinely but the devs just decided to massacre him and his kit and kick him while he's down. still maxed him and brings him to any stages though. but still, thanks for the video, kukki :"))
It's terribly depressing that ever since passenger and abjurers not a single op has ever gotten a buff. It feels like balancing is barely even a concern anymore Hg drops texter, a busted broken op, but just drops vigil in the rain and hasn't even looked at him once. I love Vigil and use him wherever i can, but hg just didn't even try to give him a chance. Then they release mumu who vastly outclasses vigil in both dps and tanking just as fat middle finger to everyone wanting vigil to get buffed.
if i have to say, one way to adjust vigil is by updating his S2 & S3, with S2 being a duration skill with 20 SP cost and the wolves able to hit all blocked enemies and reducing the SP cost of S3. he's designed to be a lane blocker, but with the kit of a brawler.
or an even simpler way of buffing S2 is to give it more stacks and give the wolves more range, it's like if you tried to use siege but you face her towards a wall at all times, it can theoretically work but the fact it can't store any charges nor do the wolves have range, makes his S2 *really* bad to use S3 could also do with like a -25% SP cut, 45-35SP is a lot to ask for just 15 seconds of damage and *12 DP* that is at best, 0.24 DP a second. for context, myrtle is almost double this at 0.4666667 DP/s
Another thing I've seen people complaining about is how high his DP cost is too, he just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify it being as high as it is. It's a shame, because with some adjustments I think he'd be really fun to use...I'm not hopeful that will happen though given he is a free 6*. Maybe a module could help him in the future.
And come to think of it, from all 6* freebies, they're on their own league (gladia's for aegir strats core, jordi's massive debuff cleaner, silence being what should abjurer support done in the first place plus extra free immortality), and this also stands true for vigil. Sadly for him, it's on reverse
I mean Siege isn't even a welfare 6* and module didn't help her much. (And she's _still_ altogether more useful than Don Virgin here cuz even with Flagpipe meta a second decent laneholder that can also print DP comes in handy at times.)
It's obviously because it can stack more than once. COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT? It'd be a beast, since their wolves can attack so nicely and do decent damage while tanking like a 6* vanguard. So they balanced them like that. Why are they so fragile? COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THEY WEREN'T? With how fast the wolves stack, if they didn't die fast you could permanently block 3!!! Good thing they balanced the wolves so that you cannot always stall with them, since he's a vanguard of the tactician branch, which clearly isn't designed to stall out enemi- Wait, they did what? Put both together? You're being silly, he'd be fucking useless past the first few stages on any place if both of those were true at the same time! And he's clearly very good :)
@@yuurina5092They are definitely being sarcastic! The first few paragraphs go through the general thought process that the devs may have gone through, while their last paragraph mentions how all these nerfs combined into making an operator... pretty bad
To clarify, Vigil's wolf takes 25 seconds to get another head due to his talent. However, if the wolf is fully killed, it has the same respawn time as the others with 15 seconds.
I feel like what he REALLY needs is just some way of healing his wolves. Maybe a module that gives them Mountain-level HP regen when it's maxed out? He's in dire straits.
Wolf Pack is healed each time Wolf Shadow is gained (25s), even if stacked up to the three. Other Tactician's either require a skill for it that is longer or just don't restore HP at all, having a pet to go down.
@@swame Reminder that retreating the pet makes it enter respawn and pop up at full health afterwards. And that's 15s for Tacticians who aren't Don Virgin.
@@swame Wouldn't it be great if there was a unit that could not only heal itself but also block and attack 2 enemies and it didn't have a downtime? That would be absolutely wild. Hope hypergryph adds that at one point.
I think the most reason why is he "bad" - upcoming banner with limited operator in same class, and it`s very annoing. None of 6* welfare operators had no competitors among 6* in the same class, except for him
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When I get him I’m very confused why HG give his kits this bad, Almost like when Passenger came out for the first time, I agree this boy needed all rework, I really want him to shine like Gladiia and Lumen
Love trashy 6* men with bad skills. First, it was Passenger. Then, it was Ebenholz. Now, Vigil. They're all instant M9 lvl 90s for me~ Granted - Passenger is no longer trash, but he sure was on release. Good times. As for how I feel about them, they are definitely not 'good'. HG just has a weird tendency to attach really good designs to really bad skills, and it's always the cute boys. smh. I agree with Vigil needing a rework - it's just not likely. :-( Thanks for the video~
If the wolf had at least double the amount of HP, i might use him. His kit revolves around doing damage, yet the wolf had 0 range, but instantly vaporized the moment a slightly stronger enemt touches them.
Vigil Get his nuke damage if he attack the enemie blocked by his summon. So the better way to fix him is to make her summon block only one enemy, And vigil has to prioritize attacking the enemy blocked by the wolf. I wish HG will fix him someday :(
It has multiple heads whose HP is like stacks, 3 × 1k～ (E2 50). Doubling it would be a Mon3tr lvl absurd to see at Vanguard op. Wolf Pack's unique ability is when reinforcement is defeated - it doesn't die, instead losing head and proceed to attack again. Losing block due to it could even help to leak someone off on tactic purpose, it's gimmick as much as when Dreadnought hold Elite enemy while trifle mobs pass through.
I'm really upset with the Vigil kit situation. They gave him a good kit on paper but an absolute trash numbers (duration, HP, SP). I love to use him more often because of the magnificent Italian dub. But he's literally just an emotional support if brought to battle its saddening
So, the atk stat is fine, the def could be buffed, but not necessary, whats actually NECESSARY is buff his wolf packs hp. You see, Def is not a problem with heidi or skalter, cause his damage kit is insane and worth such investment, but the hp problem - 1100 hp? Are you even serious? I literally see every bit of damage on his wolf, not to mention that the cycle is so long, and if you decrease it, what is s1 even made for? So the way to buff him is just add some hp to his summon, and he will be absolutely incredible of an operator
I think Tactician's are fine overall. Ex: Beanstalk trades DP gen for situational width. Able to attack air, has decent dps (including pet+bonus), puts two bodies for one deployment slot, pet revives, pet can bait, dp gen on a range tile, etc. She's 4star which limits her a lot just on base stats. 6star Beanstalk would be better then Vigil. (Also flagpipe's set a crazy bar for vanguards) Vigil's design is trying to make an even harsher trade for high DPS...and then his mechanics don't work so you don't get the benefit. The pet just dies and all stuff his does turns off. My smallest fix for vigil is making his wolf have +1 range. That way they get a couple attacks off before dying to blocked enemies. This change may also require S3 tweaked. More indepth there's tons of room for changes. S2 could have an expire timer so it's a decent DP gen. Wolfpack could not gain block so they take less damage. The redeploy timer could be lowered to normal tactician level. The Wolfpack could have normal tactician def instead of being -100 def vs Beanstalks crab....
@Hozumi Ch. ホズミ Most folks are easily dismissing vigil when skalter s2 is brought up. Ironic when exusia needs buff army to Swiss cheese bosses The inspiration from bards like Heidi/Skalter s2 helps with wolf survivability and continuous hp regen. Skalter S2 is ideal but limited operator
@@ahmedfalahy9337 AA Snipers aren't meant for "antitank" duty in the first place. They do their actual job just fine as is, being able to meme bosses with buff/debuff army is just bonus. A _Vanguard_ needing specialised support to be half decent at his _main job_ OTOH is just kinda sad. Especially when he's a damn 6* (ie. expensive as shit to develop).
waiting for 50% dmg reduction on wolf pack because I don't find any other way to save him, currently max Vigil and I'd say I prefer his s1 most because 3 head wolf pack is somewhat useful so I s1m3 him
So, even though I've almost fully invested in Vigil and use him regularly, I can't exactly deny anything in this video. Having him at 90 is pretty much a requirement in order to buff the wolves and his skill 1 needs to be M3'd as it's, oddly enough, his best skill. What's funny is that, despite skill 2 recovering a percentage of the wolve's HP, skill 1 heals it up to full, even if it has full stacks. The golem was probably a bad example to use since 1 attack kills a wolf immediately, but they can tank most other big bois pretty well. That said, I still haven't figured out a good situation to use skills 2 or 3. I've already stated that sk1 has better staying power than sk2 and generates more DP on top of that. And as for sk3, well, he's not killing anything huge to begin with and you want to wolves on the field as long as possible, since they do most of the work. And remember, he's a vanguard, so there's a limit to what he can achieve on his own. All in all, I can't really refute what kukki states in this video. Had I not discovered how amazingly good the wolves are at stalling with skill 1, even being able to stall the first form of the wolf boss indefinitely, I'd have regretted heavily investing in him. But if you're not someone with an account that can easily clear all the content in the game, definitely put him on the back burner for like, ever, lol!
Skill 3 can be used for Helidrop. It's a very slow and painful way to use him for assassination. I wish he was the first tactician vanguard with redeployable summon. Skill 2 really need to give wolf extra range. They always take free hit before they can proc that attack that is awful.
@@yuurina5092 True. Again, I'm not defending Vigil. He can be used to stall, but there are a lot of better options for lower investment and bigger payoff.
Vigils S3 shreds low to mid defense enemies due to his attack modifier, him doing 3X hits, wolves doing up to 3 hits and doing an additional 50% arts damage with each attack, his innate 1.5X damage multiplier on blocked enemies and his talent helping both him and the wolves ignore 200 DEF makes him absolutely melt people who aren't tanky as hell The reasons S3 suffers : his wolves are terrible at tanking anything, but if you added let's say a Skalter S2 buff to help them tank (and a lil more damage) they are significantly strengthened overall, in fact skalter kinda removes most of the faults of Vigil's wolves (they still have a depressingly low HP pool tho at slightly more than 1k...that's lower than Castle-3) the other reasons are his SP and DP which I don't need to explain all that much but I'll do so anyway, SP is too fat costing 45-35 SP and DP gain is abyssmal since you aren't getting it very often sadly also S2 is basically if you took Siege S2 and crippled it tbh, no stored charges, no range on wolves and low HP gain, the only upside is that it costs literally *5SP* and is a pretty good source of DP, the biggest problem is the one siege has, neither can gain DP without enemies in range
I guess the only hope left is his modules. Since he's a *6, HG have 2 chances to make either his X or Y mod fix his issues (or better complement each other depends on usage). and HG better do that or I'm gonna cry because they did him and especially his wolf summon so dirty 😭 Already invested e2 s3m3 on vigil too, so hard coping that one day his modules drop and it will be worth the wait
I mean, him being good at handling trash mobs is exactly what vanguards are meant to do, right? I can imagine that he is pretty good in early rush maps with weak mobs, because he can easily kill those mobs and the wolf can even tank multiple mobs after a few seconds. It feels less like he is weak, but that he appears weak because of the powercreep that got into the game over the last year or so. We are just accustomed to an insane powerlevel now, like Mountain competing with freaking Blaze or even operators like Goldenglow deleting whole maps during her S3, not to even mention the absolutely bonkers limited units we got.
yeah sure. vanguards that cost way less dp than him and print way more.. you're just proving everyone's point lol. you don't see that's exactly the problem?
I use him for S1 as really bad DP production and early lane holding. It works ok... Slightly better than using Mountain and natural DP regeneration. Only difference is Mountain can sit there whole stage while Vigil needs to be replaced lol
I think if they would makes some changes I think these would be good. (Not in any particular order) 1. give wolves more range, literary just the tile ahead. 2. Allow vigil to gain dmg bonus to all enemies within range of Wolfpack (this works with idea 1) 3. Make wolves more defensive, I think rather than having dmg relying of the wolfpacks attacks, making them more like defenders and allowing vigil to do dmg could be good. 4. Reduce time it takes to gain a shadow, 5. Make stats stronger based of number of wolf heads 6. give wolf pack some form of regeneration besides s2
The only use I could think of for this one is being a solo laner to hold back trash mobs for awhile if s2 or s3 if there are some tougher ones. Taking advantage of his range and dmg bonus you can use it where 2 tiled ranged mobs on the ground won't reach him
Man, I was so hyped for Vigil, especially with now broken Gladia and Lumen has been, and Yii hyped him up so much. I also watched the CC#12 Video of him helping to stall the boss with his summon. Until I did more research and found out that he's not that good. If the wolves had more stats, especially health, and if Virgils skills cooldown wasn't so high, he would have been so good to use. And his e2 artwork is so badass, HG really done my boy dirty 😒
All I can say is vigil actually pretty damn good at lane holding mobs I do not reccomend building him if you want someone who holds lanes until endgame since the dog would die if bosses and elites started popping up but overall he's not that bad if you want to build him for sp he also wouldn't be bad but myrtle exist He's both early game dps+so recovery also he's free 6 star so I got no complaints😁
_Punctuation motherfucker, do you speak it?!_ Also being 6* is NOT a merit here because that just means he's expensive as shit to raise all the more so for giving such poor returns. With like 4*s it's no biggie if they suck (*cough*Quartz*cough*) or are "so mid", they're cheap enough to be developed just for funsies and memes with spare mats. Not so 6*s - those need to give halfway decent payoff to justify the opportunity costs.
Weird enough, I'm a very casual player and found myself using Vigil quite a lot because his wolf's 3 block count and defense ignoring trait is really good at handling trash mobs, and generating DP that way can be faster than flagbearer.
I'm a husbandoknights enjoyer but i really cannot bring my self to M3ing any of his skill (at least for now) his skill masteries cost way too much materials for how little you gain from it For example his s3: what do you get from masteries ? M1: -1sp cost, +1 initial sp, 5% more arts damage M2: -1sp cost, +1 initial sp, 5% more arts damage M3: -2sp cost, +1 initial sp, 1 additional dp, 10% more arts damage (the additional arts damage is % base on his atk which isn't even that high to begin with but it's fine) Even though i love him but i still have some other husbandos i haven't raise yet so yeah he's gonna be stuck at M1 for idk how long Edit: for anyone curious here's his s3 at M0 and M3 M0: 39sp cost, 7 initial sp, generates 11dp, deals 30% of atk as arts damage M3: 35sp cost, 10 initial sp, generates 12dp, deals 50% of atk as arts damage
i feel compelled to e260 all 6s (dont ask me why) and he's got a very cool design, great seiyuu (even his english voice is great and ive not liked most of them thus far). however, as an operator...yeah. its hard to beat the flagbearer + bagpipe for dp generation in general. he looks to be more dmg oriented. sure! great! except why does his wolfpack have no range and is squishy as hell? why doesnt vigil prioritize enemies blocked by the wolfpack especially on s3? the two biggest issues with vigil that i can see are 1) the squishy wolf and 2) not prioritizing blocked enemies. if the wolf gains a block for every wolf head, i feel like its hp should also go up. when you did the hosf stage on the second usage of his s3 he straight up ignored the guys blocked by the wolfpack. all your dmg is gone. i like vigil, and ill e260 sl7 him (albeit after a few others..) but i dont see myself using him. he also cant generate dp if his wolf isnt out. idk if the other tacticians are like that, i should probably check bc i have a maxed beanstalk lol. but yeah i wish he was better esp with how amazing gladiia and lumen are. even silence alter shes pretty amazing and her class is...definitely a class in arknights.
I don't understand why Hypergryph felt the need to gut Vigil like this. Sure, he's a welfare operator, but so are Gladiia and Lumen, and Silence Alter coming in the future, and they're all SOLID 6-stars. Sure, none of them are actually damage dealers (except maybe Gladiia) but that's no excuse for Vigil to be so underwhelming in his own role, in comparison or otherwise. They really need to give his wolf stats that are not total garbage. Either actual stat changes or a good module at the very least.
Flametail: Look at what they did to mimic a fraction of our power. A laneholder-esque vanguard who doesn't generate a lot of DP but can be used as laneholder if necessary. At least Flametail has ways to stay alive because of her quick cycle SP for S3 which gives her chance to survive longer. Vigil on the other hand only has damage, which isn't really impressive.
Flametail is one of those VGs that can be kept around as legitimate secondary laneholders cum Guard stand-ins after the early-phase DP printing needs have been fulfilled, which is if nothing else useful role compression. Saga is another and has her SP-feeding gimmick for added team support too, and Tacticians That Aren't Vigil all have useful niches they can fill. Pimp Wolf here is just ;_;
*Placing vigil to hold a lane* "at that point you can just place a mountain" duh but mountain isn't free to get max pot + he is the best 6* lane holder.... vigil worked tho or didn't he? Instead of building *insert guard* you can just use Surtr at that point. Bro whats your point?
My point is that Vigil's niche seems to be his wolf pack not having deployment limit while he uses one. In that case, other six stars who also only uses one deployment limit can be the lane holders, replacing Vigil and his wolfpack, so the confusion becomes, why have him
Yes. Unmoduled OG!Skadi isn't exactly brilliant but does Dreadnought kinds of things perfectly capably - with Modules (never mind now the legit seriously broken AH synergy buffs) she's stronk af. Vigil? Fucking Beanstalk already does Tactician kinds of things a whole lot better and cheaper.
4:37 That would be broken for Tactician Vanguards to generate DP in mass amounts, it's too much of an operator of one kit. You want an all-in-one unit that would break balance. There isn't Tactician who is capable of constant fast-cycling regen like his skill 2, and there AREN'T always maps where you can allow yourself make early enemies pass in exchange of generating DP like what Flagbearer arc offers while lacking own control. You also didn't really make objective calculation (relying on different scenarios) on his DP efficiency to prove that, which provokes doubts knowing potential of low cooldown skills. You don't assume where this could do a trick, and this is a game of circumstances causing you to be flexible, thence such approach is a mistake You fucking offer to use oodles of operators no matter of case. "Why wouldn't i use Myrtle instead?" Because it depends on scenario. As much as Agent Vg's deployment cost goes too expensive at Annihilation so you don't rely on them. It's not like you have to use only one Vanguard in the face of Vigil, the fact he present just gives you much of flexibility. You don't always wanna make shit ton of dp. You even can bring Vergil himself and one perfomance Vg screwing out surplus DP income for what wolfie can offer, compared to just regular Vg's that wouldn't do thing demanded by map so you will have to use key op's early due to their lacklustre, which can even fuck your timing rotation where you need key skill on. Your takes aren't objective enough It's not analysis, it's confounding opinion (made of feelings), uncle.
I think they tried to make him too well-rounded. Ranged operator with good attack speed, 3 block + small sustain, deals good damage when attacking blocked enemies, small DP generation on the side. But I think as a summon operator, they should expand his summon better. As you said he excels at holding trash mobs, but as a 6 star shouldn't he do that by default? Maybe give wolf some kind of damage reduction, scaling relative to the damage it takes? For example taking 300 damage gets reduced by 10% = 270, while taking 1500 gets reduced by 50% = 750? Would make more sense to have wolf tank for a little longer so Vigil's extra damage gets some use. What good is it against elite mobs if they one-shot wolf? Tweak the numbers and I feel like that would make him synergize better with his talent, and give S2 sustain a purpose.
5:53 both potential and lv.3 Module gave you 24 plus 30 ATK stat on Blue Posion, while also having higher level than Vigil. It's not so fair. *Not only that you have broken Mastery 3 which escalates her DPS by half,* while his own skill was at Level 7 without mastery where you generally start speking of timings comfort state, *and still done the job not even being air-focused sniper.* Your thesis was that he is doing same as BP below, but you forget of different skillsets they hold. Darn, Blue Poison is one of the most busted snipers due to multi-targeting (it's a big crowd control feature), huge ATK scaling on S1 hits and Arts posion from passive, while your Vigil is picked with S3 and not even S2 that would be auto. Why didn't you pick a second skill on BP, then? It's like saying that Specter is bad in combat while not pressing her skill at all. Come on. Do you even understand how stats work? I guess you do, then why? >.
He seems to do a bit better with Skalter, who can buff him and heal his summon. Also, his wolves has 20 RES. Each wolf is 1k HP, so total HP is #wolf x 1,000, which on paper is not bad. I am more of a waifu player. So I don't see myself E2-ing him anyway. Maybe his modules will be broken. Hey 6 stars are supposed to get two modules, right?
swapping with Mountain just overkill even for 6*. just put scavenger in mountain spot, there is medic there anyway. HG already kill his existance with the appearance of Mumu. thanks for raising him for sake of entertainment
Hilariously enough Vigil would have the potential to be one of the best Vanguards if his skill 2 acted like Flametail S1 instead of Siege S2. IE: It procs automatically even if there is no enemy in range instead of only procing if the wolf is alive and has an enemy to attack. Combine that with ~500 more HP on the wolf, S1 being manual activation and S3 having better cycle or up time and you would have one hell of a unit. OFC that will never happen as HG seems to be allergic to buffs 95% of the time outside of talent quackery via modules. . .
They should have given him better DP generation. A mediocre line unit that produces DP might be outperformed by Flagpipe, sure, but not everyone has Flagpipe. Then he’d at least have a role, instead of using two map spaces for a mediocre unit with a paper summon.
i was excited to try out Vigil when i got him and saw the other hypes around him. I lv-ed him to E2 lv 10 and went to one of the event stages. The wolves just kept on dying on me and leaked. Meanwhile, my Myertle was doing a better block on the other lane.... Vigil's attack was so low when enemies were not blocked by the wolves. AND the wolves could not be healed unless it's by passive healing like Skater or Perfumer's. Then, that's like... allocating two slots just to use the wolves. In my IS 3 run, I also tried him. He leaked in the very first stage - that was when I knew it was done for me to use him. The character art is definitely cool, but it's prob not meant for me.
Ok, but seriously though, how much of it is his skill fault vs how much is it just a stat buff required moment? Like as an early unit, his skill is not half bad, the effect are decent. The wolf and vigil himself just need some stat buff really.
Why blacknight's summon have additional range but vigil's not? Also my struggle with tactician is they can't attack enemy if you put their summon at the edge of their range and the enemy come from outside of their range.
ngl his S1 and S2 are pain to use as sub DP printer since he wont generate any DP if the wolf is not deployed (S1) or attacking enemies (S2) which tactic that control deployment order by placing the summon last just wont work with him. blacknight and beanstalk doesnt have this issue since they still generate dp even when the summon are not deployed...
I'd say a redeeming quality for Vigil is that you get him for free cuz as someone that just started playing the game like 3 months ago it's still cool having another 6star that does a lot without needing to upgrade him too much. Wasn't as hype when I got both tex alt and penance as a f2p but hey, free 6star amiright?
One thing to note about his s3 is, it deals arts dmg every time Vigil or his Wolfpacks deal damage to the enemy that are blocked by it. So if you're able to keep his Wolfpacks alive, he's able to deal 6 hits of arts dmg to enemies blocked by his Wolfpacks. It's not a huge deal, but still something.
If they gonna adjust and buffing the operator which I don't think it is gonna implement without nerfing something down. which I suggest to do it yearly like what they did on the dossoless event Anniversary.
I wrote under other similar videos, I will write here too - His "Wolf Pack" should receive armor for each "Wolf Shadow". Not even 100% of the initial, but at least 30% for each shadow + summon shadow every 25 seconds is a very long time, very 15-17 seconds is optimal
8:03 you *think* that the timings are too short, or you have a established methodic by which you can judge whether it's comfortable enough? I wouldn't call 1/2.3(3) (15/25) window too long enough, it looks like all vanguard skills that provide some short utility you're able to manage. Why not call Ely ASPD buff absurd, then? Did you see window on both of his skills? And it's just for snipers. And damn, oh, crap, old Texas also offers 3 second stun for 40 sec downtime and have a 25% higher DP efficiency by her combat skill, but it's burst attack while Vigil offers DoT with his S3. To this moment you shall already understand that these are always used depending on situation, because immediately understandable that Texas does arts dmg Crowd Control hit, while Vigil applies high-ATK multi-instance burst with Arts ticks that is still being assisted by his and Wolf Pack's DEF ignore passive. By being a guider, you should give people image of how to use operator's flexibility smart. You didn't even mention where fast arts hits could be usable (it's not only limited to Invitation to Wine event, but also may potentially help to wash off enemy shield), didn't say how much Tactician Vanguards carried Stultifera Navis event by blocking off spreading Nethersea Brand even while having summon buried down. (Black Rosemary made use of it very much in guides) This point of view is really as shortsighted as the bound of own nose distance.
While I respect your efforts to write long comments, I think there's too much issues with your comments that you don't even seem to realize. There's a lot of the why didn't you do this, or why didn't you talk about this, which my short answer is, it's not significant enough to do this, or it's not relevant to do so. You have to realize I give screentime to one specific operator in every operator showcase and as far as possible I do not make comparisons unless I deem necessary, which over here, the problem is not Vigil vs. one specific named person, but Vigil vs. practically any operator in the game. Also, I don't care about stats, I am not sensitive to stats, and a lot more people don't as well than people who do, because people just wants the straightforward answers of tell me how this operator is really good or not as good, or just show me what this operator can do. If you don't like this presentation, don't watch these videos, get out, because I don't cater to such audiences. My goal of any operator videos is to tell people objectively about an operator, both the goods and the problems. Unfortunately, Vigil clearly has way more problems than any redeeming factors. Whatever the points you want to talk about, I would vouch better in videos for Beanstalk, Blacknight or Muelsyse. Henceforth the problem of Vigil. It's pointless to counter every view you put in a span of three comments, but I think you need to understand I did not present this video falsely, and I should not be sugarcoating things either.
@@kukkikaze Few video ago you was "Use your brain! People grow better only thru practice!" and now you just tell that stats aren't the point, and you serve a simplified answer for "most people". How would you expand complex gameplay understanding for others if you don't even handicraft on own practice?
@@swame The two things you said have little to no correlation, I think you are the real confused one here, please don't make a fool out of yourself unnecessarily before you become a negative face of the community. I don't really gain anything out of furthering this. I repeat myself that if you don't like the presentation, leave the channel, I know what I'm doing and I stand by what I'm doing. I've made attempts to explain what that is and if you fail to understand it, what else am I to do, make a whole video response to you and you alone? It's not worth it, it only makes you the enemy
Wait! I can summarize my own video!
How to use Vigil?
You don't
I'm sad, I hope you have a nice day
LETS GO KUKKI TRASHED A UNIT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just use him in base, he's ok in base
I think i quite understand why HG would give his wolf such a stat.
First, because he's a vanguard stereotype which is the cheapest DP unit in the game and with his wolf don't need any DP to deploy at all.
Second, he's a free vanguard that you will eventually obtained as long as you play the Il Siracusano event.
Third, HG might possibly don't want us as a player to heavily rely on Vigil not only as our DP printer, but also a cheap summon that ignore deployment limit with 3 blocks on their future level. I mean when you think about what would happen if Vigil's wolf has around 2000 HP with 400-500 ATK and 350-400 DEF, he's technically become a 2 unit (ranged and melee) which only cost 14 DP, only consume 1 deployment slot and additionally can also generate DP constantly depends on which skill you pick.
If i think about it, Vigil would be pretty broken if HG buff his wolf. But yeah, as of now i should agree with Kukki that Vigil IS THE WORST 6* OPERATOR RIGHT NOW. What kind of balancing would be good for our Vigil? I don't know, i'm a noob doctor after all.
@@drsnorlax_felineknights the argument that he is free is kinda stupid tho. We have gladia. She is broken. His wolves could have those stats maybe a little less and keep some of the block but rn it doesnt make any sense.
@@passiveaggresivesquirrel2052 Even without her busted module, Gladiia by herself is a solid unit. She's a great puller. Vigil really has no excuse to be this bad for a 6*, free or not.
Edit: Lumen as well is also another great free 6*
Vigil's purpose is to make the professional breeder look even better.
Vigil should learn more breeding techniques from the professional breeder
He’s not up to Beanstalk’s standards for breeding material.
@@blackhammer5035 "lmao imagine being a canid" - some sassy hyena, probably
Vigil has really good E2 art work which i like but his kit is just... I don't know what to say and Hypergryph did him real dirty.
module copium (which will never happen because muelsye)
@@no_1dea sounds like bro needs more than a module to fix him
@@crispy_doggo9117 naah man that won't happen even with a module.
You saw what happened to Siege
@@srijitmajumder99 well considering when passenger got buff then get a banger module that fix him. This is why everyone want a module
@@iloveknife8798 Passenger got buffed 2 times before module
One important point absent from this analysis is that Vigil and his wolves ignore 200 DEF when attacking enemies blocked by the wolves. That talent, combined with the Tactician trait and all of his multi-hit mechanics, lets Vigil punch way above his numbers with respect to lane holding which is why he can lane hold almost as well as Mountain - one of our best 6 stars - against low to mid DEF despite being a welfare vanguard. His 6 star rating is justified. The problem is that because Vigil's power is tethered to his wolf stacking spirits and blocking things, the wolf needs to be able to actually take hits *without* relying on spirits - which they can't. If Shining's Talent worked on Vigil's wolf, he'd be A LOT more effective. If the wolf had regen, he'd be a lot more effective. If Vigil could bank Wolf Spirits...etc. etc. He ALMOST works, but really needs to solve the durability issue. A module alone could probably do it.
Part of his issue is that as a 6*, he may be a welfare operator, but he still costs so much to upgrade. Unless you have everyone at E2 already, the resources are better spent on almost anything else. If he was a 4*, he’d be a fun niche unit to play with. You touch on his main flaw - he’s close to being good at a lot of things, but suffers from hybrid units being very hard to balance. And he’s just underwhelming in every role.
He cant lanehold as good as mountain unfortunately because his 3rd skill is not infinite, takes ton of sp to use again, and way too short time for that sp cost.
Also dont ignore the fact that if an enemy passes wolf, vigil *DOES NOT* prioritize the enemy blocked by the wolf lmao, making vigil even worse once enemies start to pass wolf.
Part of me wonders if they make a lappland alter if theyll get a theme buff like the aegirs when sharing the field
Add skalter, ez.
i can't tell if this is a genuine rant or copypasta
I think a good change for his module to buff him would be to make it so whenever he adds a wolf to the pack, he makes them immediately deal 165% ATK as Arts damage twice to all surrounding enemies and Stun them for 2 seconds, then release a Sword Rain at up to 4 different targets within range every second that deals 130% ATK as Arts damagve and Stun for 0.2 seconds.
sounds like a helidropped texalter
Kekw
I've maxed him, no regrets. Only wish the devs will later FIX the fact that he should PRIORITIZE targeting enemies blocked by Wolfpack FIRST!!
P.S: Sorry for the outburst.
Only way to do that with the tacticians is placing the summon at the range edge closest to the box, not always feasible. What I want to see is s2 storing charges and healing based on damage, with a minimum of 15% max hp like it is right now.
I think that would be worse. Imagine the wolfpack is blocking a super tanky dude. Wouldn't you want Vigil to kill the crap units that would just walk past the wolfpack otherwise?
@@Brettlaken well a deadeye modifier would probably work.
I Just Need Wolf Permanently Block 1 . . .
Or Block 3 But Please Increase The Wolf Stats
it's especially painful because i love him genuinely but the devs just decided to massacre him and his kit and kick him while he's down. still maxed him and brings him to any stages though. but still, thanks for the video, kukki :"))
It's terribly depressing that ever since passenger and abjurers not a single op has ever gotten a buff. It feels like balancing is barely even a concern anymore
Hg drops texter, a busted broken op, but just drops vigil in the rain and hasn't even looked at him once.
I love Vigil and use him wherever i can, but hg just didn't even try to give him a chance. Then they release mumu who vastly outclasses vigil in both dps and tanking just as fat middle finger to everyone wanting vigil to get buffed.
if i have to say, one way to adjust vigil is by updating his S2 & S3, with S2 being a duration skill with 20 SP cost and the wolves able to hit all blocked enemies and reducing the SP cost of S3. he's designed to be a lane blocker, but with the kit of a brawler.
Also add a 3 sec stun
or an even simpler way of buffing S2 is to give it more stacks and give the wolves more range, it's like if you tried to use siege but you face her towards a wall at all times, it can theoretically work but the fact it can't store any charges nor do the wolves have range, makes his S2 *really* bad to use
S3 could also do with like a -25% SP cut, 45-35SP is a lot to ask for just 15 seconds of damage and *12 DP*
that is at best, 0.24 DP a second. for context, myrtle is almost double this at 0.4666667 DP/s
There aren't a single connection with typical Traits of Brawlers
@@swame He hit a rediculous ammount of time but does little damage, The typical trait of brawler is... You guessed it fast attack, ignorable attack
@@iloveknife8798 generally, you keep in mind 3rd skill, right?
Another thing I've seen people complaining about is how high his DP cost is too, he just doesn't bring enough to the table to justify it being as high as it is. It's a shame, because with some adjustments I think he'd be really fun to use...I'm not hopeful that will happen though given he is a free 6*. Maybe a module could help him in the future.
And come to think of it, from all 6* freebies, they're on their own league (gladia's for aegir strats core, jordi's massive debuff cleaner, silence being what should abjurer support done in the first place plus extra free immortality), and this also stands true for vigil. Sadly for him, it's on reverse
I mean Siege isn't even a welfare 6* and module didn't help her much. (And she's _still_ altogether more useful than Don Virgin here cuz even with Flagpipe meta a second decent laneholder that can also print DP comes in handy at times.)
Also is no one going to talk about why beanstalk and blacknight summon respawn time is 15s while vigil's is 25s?
It's obviously because it can stack more than once. COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT? It'd be a beast, since their wolves can attack so nicely and do decent damage while tanking like a 6* vanguard. So they balanced them like that.
Why are they so fragile? COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THEY WEREN'T? With how fast the wolves stack, if they didn't die fast you could permanently block 3!!! Good thing they balanced the wolves so that you cannot always stall with them, since he's a vanguard of the tactician branch, which clearly isn't designed to stall out enemi-
Wait, they did what? Put both together? You're being silly, he'd be fucking useless past the first few stages on any place if both of those were true at the same time! And he's clearly very good :)
@@KuroeNezumi i dont know if you are sarcastic or not but wolfs stats are 3 star vanguards stats NOT 6 star yet alone a 4 star
@@yuurina5092They are definitely being sarcastic! The first few paragraphs go through the general thought process that the devs may have gone through, while their last paragraph mentions how all these nerfs combined into making an operator... pretty bad
Well, it's apparently the same as Mulsyse so that's probably just a 6 star thing
To clarify, Vigil's wolf takes 25 seconds to get another head due to his talent. However, if the wolf is fully killed, it has the same respawn time as the others with 15 seconds.
I feel like what he REALLY needs is just some way of healing his wolves. Maybe a module that gives them Mountain-level HP regen when it's maxed out? He's in dire straits.
Most of his issues come directly from the wolves being actual trash tbh. Damn things need a serious overhaul in general if he is ever to be fixed.
Wolf Pack is healed each time Wolf Shadow is gained (25s), even if stacked up to the three. Other Tactician's either require a skill for it that is longer or just don't restore HP at all, having a pet to go down.
@@swame Reminder that retreating the pet makes it enter respawn and pop up at full health afterwards. And that's 15s for Tacticians who aren't Don Virgin.
@@broadbandislife during this downtime you don't have a block, and, though, it is mutually true that you can regain Wolf Shadow's HP this way
@@swame Wouldn't it be great if there was a unit that could not only heal itself but also block and attack 2 enemies and it didn't have a downtime? That would be absolutely wild. Hope hypergryph adds that at one point.
I think the most reason why is he "bad" - upcoming banner with limited operator in same class, and it`s very annoing.
None of 6* welfare operators had no competitors among 6* in the same class, except for him
специально напишу по русски...а то утопят мой коммент - сука!!! сломать потенциально лучшего опера в классе ради ФАНСЕРВИСНОЙ ШАБОЛДЫ...это настолько несправедливо....
When I get him I’m very confused why HG give his kits this bad, Almost like when Passenger came out for the first time, I agree this boy needed all rework, I really want him to shine like Gladiia and Lumen
“Don’t expect a tactician to be very good at killing drones”
Well just wait for 6 more months😂
After I build my Pennance, imma e2 him bc his post office base skill is beri nice
Fellow base enjoyer
RIIC gaming
Thank you for the showcase, the one that Yii made is hard to tell if hes sarcastic or actually serious 😭
fuck that i e2-ed vigl cause of that vid
Yii was sarcastic, duh.
bro your sarcasm detector needs new batteries even harder than Viggy's wolf needs buffs
Love trashy 6* men with bad skills. First, it was Passenger. Then, it was Ebenholz. Now, Vigil. They're all instant M9 lvl 90s for me~
Granted - Passenger is no longer trash, but he sure was on release. Good times.
As for how I feel about them, they are definitely not 'good'. HG just has a weird tendency to attach really good designs to really bad skills, and it's always the cute boys. smh. I agree with Vigil needing a rework - it's just not likely. :-( Thanks for the video~
HG just really hates boys for some reason
How to use Vigil?
e2, put him in the lv2 TP with Proviso.
New player here! I found your channel under recommended. I'm loving the showcases! please keep them coming, it's growing my love for this game haha :D
If the wolf had at least double the amount of HP, i might use him. His kit revolves around doing damage, yet the wolf had 0 range, but instantly vaporized the moment a slightly stronger enemt touches them.
Vigil Get his nuke damage if he attack the enemie blocked by his summon. So the better way to fix him is to make her summon block only one enemy, And vigil has to prioritize attacking the enemy blocked by the wolf. I wish HG will fix him someday :(
@@kepalakuda226 They probably forgot he even exist :D
@@bartekrudy1161 As they should. 🚮
@@broadbandislife he's trash precisely because they forgot about him ya dolt 💀
It has multiple heads whose HP is like stacks, 3 × 1k～ (E2 50). Doubling it would be a Mon3tr lvl absurd to see at Vanguard op. Wolf Pack's unique ability is when reinforcement is defeated - it doesn't die, instead losing head and proceed to attack again. Losing block due to it could even help to leak someone off on tactic purpose, it's gimmick as much as when Dreadnought hold Elite enemy while trifle mobs pass through.
How to fix Vigil step-by-step:
1. Give him the Yamato
2. Bring him a white Chair
3. Make him motivated
4. Enjoy
To borrow a quote from The Godfather:
*"Look how they massacred my boy".*
damn, what did he do just to get this treatment as a 6*
I'm really upset with the Vigil kit situation. They gave him a good kit on paper but an absolute trash numbers (duration, HP, SP). I love to use him more often because of the magnificent Italian dub. But he's literally just an emotional support if brought to battle its saddening
So, the atk stat is fine, the def could be buffed, but not necessary, whats actually NECESSARY is buff his wolf packs hp. You see, Def is not a problem with heidi or skalter, cause his damage kit is insane and worth such investment, but the hp problem - 1100 hp? Are you even serious? I literally see every bit of damage on his wolf, not to mention that the cycle is so long, and if you decrease it, what is s1 even made for? So the way to buff him is just add some hp to his summon, and he will be absolutely incredible of an operator
To me, whoever the operators are, if their trust is not 200%, they'll farming rock with me lol.
In other words, I will use him XD
Let's hope for a better future with modules.
I think Tactician's are fine overall. Ex: Beanstalk trades DP gen for situational width. Able to attack air, has decent dps (including pet+bonus), puts two bodies for one deployment slot, pet revives, pet can bait, dp gen on a range tile, etc. She's 4star which limits her a lot just on base stats. 6star Beanstalk would be better then Vigil. (Also flagpipe's set a crazy bar for vanguards)
Vigil's design is trying to make an even harsher trade for high DPS...and then his mechanics don't work so you don't get the benefit. The pet just dies and all stuff his does turns off.
My smallest fix for vigil is making his wolf have +1 range. That way they get a couple attacks off before dying to blocked enemies. This change may also require S3 tweaked.
More indepth there's tons of room for changes. S2 could have an expire timer so it's a decent DP gen. Wolfpack could not gain block so they take less damage. The redeploy timer could be lowered to normal tactician level. The Wolfpack could have normal tactician def instead of being -100 def vs Beanstalks crab....
HG: oke skadi has been the worst 6* for a while , how do we fix that
Vigil: ...
Skadi has not been the worst 6* in a long ass time. Modules made her and the other AH ansolutely insane.
i knew some smartass was going to say that , i just didnt expect it within the first 5min LUL
@@stieviero lol
Lemme summarize
Want a good tactician?
Cope for mumu
Have a good day
I mean Beanstalk and Blacknight exist already. Mumu is just broken.
nah, I love my Blacknight
Story accurate Vigil - gets Texas to do all the heavy lifting.
I mean you're not _wrong..._
Ling module strengthens her dragons so maybe a future vigil module would do the same for wolfpack?
For now, skalter s2 is enough to buff
Before giving him module, pls buff the wolf stats first. Unless the module somehow give vigilion stats or something lol
@Hozumi Ch. ホズミ
Most folks are easily dismissing vigil when skalter s2 is brought up.
Ironic when exusia needs buff army to Swiss cheese bosses
The inspiration from bards like Heidi/Skalter s2 helps with wolf survivability and continuous hp regen. Skalter S2 is ideal but limited operator
The biggest issue is Muelsye
NOTHING can make vigil even a sidegrade to mumu so it hurts alot
@@yuurina5092
Mumu requires a whale account to get her whole potential
@@ahmedfalahy9337 AA Snipers aren't meant for "antitank" duty in the first place. They do their actual job just fine as is, being able to meme bosses with buff/debuff army is just bonus.
A _Vanguard_ needing specialised support to be half decent at his _main job_ OTOH is just kinda sad. Especially when he's a damn 6* (ie. expensive as shit to develop).
waiting for 50% dmg reduction on wolf pack because I don't find any other way to save him, currently max Vigil and I'd say I prefer his s1 most because 3 head wolf pack is somewhat useful so I s1m3 him
and the worst about Vigil is that we probably won't even get yellow certs in rerun :p
Got tricked by Yii's satire vid thinking he was actually dope 6 star that i can max pot ;-;
Yeah yii is a troll
"Vigil is Adnachiel that occasionally become a Kroos" - by kukkikaze
So, even though I've almost fully invested in Vigil and use him regularly, I can't exactly deny anything in this video. Having him at 90 is pretty much a requirement in order to buff the wolves and his skill 1 needs to be M3'd as it's, oddly enough, his best skill. What's funny is that, despite skill 2 recovering a percentage of the wolve's HP, skill 1 heals it up to full, even if it has full stacks. The golem was probably a bad example to use since 1 attack kills a wolf immediately, but they can tank most other big bois pretty well.
That said, I still haven't figured out a good situation to use skills 2 or 3. I've already stated that sk1 has better staying power than sk2 and generates more DP on top of that. And as for sk3, well, he's not killing anything huge to begin with and you want to wolves on the field as long as possible, since they do most of the work. And remember, he's a vanguard, so there's a limit to what he can achieve on his own.
All in all, I can't really refute what kukki states in this video. Had I not discovered how amazingly good the wolves are at stalling with skill 1, even being able to stall the first form of the wolf boss indefinitely, I'd have regretted heavily investing in him. But if you're not someone with an account that can easily clear all the content in the game, definitely put him on the back burner for like, ever, lol!
Skill 3 can be used for Helidrop. It's a very slow and painful way to use him for assassination. I wish he was the first tactician vanguard with redeployable summon.
Skill 2 really need to give wolf extra range. They always take free hit before they can proc that attack that is awful.
Well the boss you are talking about has the weakest 1st phase in the game
Even mountain can do the same at that point
@@yuurina5092 True. Again, I'm not defending Vigil. He can be used to stall, but there are a lot of better options for lower investment and bigger payoff.
Vigils S3 shreds low to mid defense enemies due to his attack modifier, him doing 3X hits, wolves doing up to 3 hits and doing an additional 50% arts damage with each attack, his innate 1.5X damage multiplier on blocked enemies and his talent helping both him and the wolves ignore 200 DEF makes him absolutely melt people who aren't tanky as hell
The reasons S3 suffers : his wolves are terrible at tanking anything, but if you added let's say a Skalter S2 buff to help them tank (and a lil more damage) they are significantly strengthened overall, in fact skalter kinda removes most of the faults of Vigil's wolves (they still have a depressingly low HP pool tho at slightly more than 1k...that's lower than Castle-3)
the other reasons are his SP and DP which I don't need to explain all that much but I'll do so anyway, SP is too fat costing 45-35 SP and DP gain is abyssmal since you aren't getting it very often sadly
also S2 is basically if you took Siege S2 and crippled it tbh, no stored charges, no range on wolves and low HP gain, the only upside is that it costs literally *5SP* and is a pretty good source of DP, the biggest problem is the one siege has, neither can gain DP without enemies in range
I guess the only hope left is his modules. Since he's a *6, HG have 2 chances to make either his X or Y mod fix his issues (or better complement each other depends on usage). and HG better do that or I'm gonna cry because they did him and especially his wolf summon so dirty 😭
Already invested e2 s3m3 on vigil too, so hard coping that one day his modules drop and it will be worth the wait
Hopefully it's not another case of Angelina module
2 whole DP?! BROKEN
I mean, him being good at handling trash mobs is exactly what vanguards are meant to do, right? I can imagine that he is pretty good in early rush maps with weak mobs, because he can easily kill those mobs and the wolf can even tank multiple mobs after a few seconds. It feels less like he is weak, but that he appears weak because of the powercreep that got into the game over the last year or so. We are just accustomed to an insane powerlevel now, like Mountain competing with freaking Blaze or even operators like Goldenglow deleting whole maps during her S3, not to even mention the absolutely bonkers limited units we got.
yeah sure. vanguards that cost way less dp than him and print way more.. you're just proving everyone's point lol. you don't see that's exactly the problem?
He appears weak because he is less useful than Blacknight and Beanstalk.
No he sucks even against trash mobs
His wolves ger overrun easily and they also die immediently
There's something you need to consider when ppl say beanstalk is better than him despite being 4 star
Male six stars are eith "great i can put you in all my team with 0 consequences" or "This fucking sucks why am i doing this" with almost 0 in between
I use him for S1 as really bad DP production and early lane holding. It works ok... Slightly better than using Mountain and natural DP regeneration. Only difference is Mountain can sit there whole stage while Vigil needs to be replaced lol
And yes, I run another Vanguard before him so I ensure I get better DP production lol
Lmao, imagine dropping dp regen vanguard to drop another dp regen vanguard 😂
Well E1 max level skill rank 6 is already good
They could just have added sort of immunity to wolf on one of the skills, or do 6* trap master trick.
I think if they would makes some changes I think these would be good. (Not in any particular order)
1. give wolves more range, literary just the tile ahead.
2. Allow vigil to gain dmg bonus to all enemies within range of Wolfpack (this works with idea 1)
3. Make wolves more defensive, I think rather than having dmg relying of the wolfpacks attacks, making them more like defenders and allowing vigil to do dmg could be good.
4. Reduce time it takes to gain a shadow,
5. Make stats stronger based of number of wolf heads
6. give wolf pack some form of regeneration besides s2
Make wolf defence stack and gi e it res that also stacks. Would be way fucking tankier
The only use I could think of for this one is being a solo laner to hold back trash mobs for awhile if s2 or s3 if there are some tougher ones. Taking advantage of his range and dmg bonus you can use it where 2 tiled ranged mobs on the ground won't reach him
Which is pretty damn sad for a 6*.
Man, I was so hyped for Vigil, especially with now broken Gladia and Lumen has been, and Yii hyped him up so much. I also watched the CC#12 Video of him helping to stall the boss with his summon. Until I did more research and found out that he's not that good. If the wolves had more stats, especially health, and if Virgils skills cooldown wasn't so high, he would have been so good to use. And his e2 artwork is so badass, HG really done my boy dirty 😒
All I can say is vigil actually pretty damn good at lane holding mobs I do not reccomend building him if you want someone who holds lanes until endgame since the dog would die if bosses and elites started popping up but overall he's not that bad if you want to build him for sp he also wouldn't be bad but myrtle exist
He's both early game dps+so recovery also he's free 6 star so I got no complaints😁
_Punctuation motherfucker, do you speak it?!_
Also being 6* is NOT a merit here because that just means he's expensive as shit to raise all the more so for giving such poor returns. With like 4*s it's no biggie if they suck (*cough*Quartz*cough*) or are "so mid", they're cheap enough to be developed just for funsies and memes with spare mats. Not so 6*s - those need to give halfway decent payoff to justify the opportunity costs.
Weird enough, I'm a very casual player and found myself using Vigil quite a lot because his wolf's 3 block count and defense ignoring trait is really good at handling trash mobs, and generating DP that way can be faster than flagbearer.
I'm a husbandoknights enjoyer but i really cannot bring my self to M3ing any of his skill (at least for now) his skill masteries cost way too much materials for how little you gain from it
For example his s3: what do you get from masteries ?
M1: -1sp cost, +1 initial sp, 5% more arts damage
M2: -1sp cost, +1 initial sp, 5% more arts damage
M3: -2sp cost, +1 initial sp, 1 additional dp, 10% more arts damage (the additional arts damage is % base on his atk which isn't even that high to begin with but it's fine)
Even though i love him but i still have some other husbandos i haven't raise yet so yeah he's gonna be stuck at M1 for idk how long
Edit: for anyone curious here's his s3 at M0 and M3
M0: 39sp cost, 7 initial sp, generates 11dp, deals 30% of atk as arts damage
M3: 35sp cost, 10 initial sp, generates 12dp, deals 50% of atk as arts damage
i feel compelled to e260 all 6s (dont ask me why) and he's got a very cool design, great seiyuu (even his english voice is great and ive not liked most of them thus far). however, as an operator...yeah. its hard to beat the flagbearer + bagpipe for dp generation in general. he looks to be more dmg oriented. sure! great! except why does his wolfpack have no range and is squishy as hell? why doesnt vigil prioritize enemies blocked by the wolfpack especially on s3? the two biggest issues with vigil that i can see are 1) the squishy wolf and 2) not prioritizing blocked enemies. if the wolf gains a block for every wolf head, i feel like its hp should also go up. when you did the hosf stage on the second usage of his s3 he straight up ignored the guys blocked by the wolfpack. all your dmg is gone. i like vigil, and ill e260 sl7 him (albeit after a few others..) but i dont see myself using him. he also cant generate dp if his wolf isnt out. idk if the other tacticians are like that, i should probably check bc i have a maxed beanstalk lol. but yeah i wish he was better esp with how amazing gladiia and lumen are. even silence alter shes pretty amazing and her class is...definitely a class in arknights.
They gave this character lots of good things. Except a great or even atleast a decent kit.😢
plus : cool looking dude, cool art, cool skill animation.
minus : horrible skills
His best use? To give ASPD with tactical gear to ranged operators in SSS mode
You forget that he can be use as base slave
If he summons a wolf instead of a fuckin pup with 3 heads maybe he would actually be decent
Still remember someone said vigil is stronk at his job tho
Yes he is decent, but there are better operators to use anyway kappa
Imagine being a 6* with the stats of a 3* and worse DP generation than a 4*...
Vigil why are you so weak so weak you make sakura more useful than you
I don't understand why Hypergryph felt the need to gut Vigil like this. Sure, he's a welfare operator, but so are Gladiia and Lumen, and Silence Alter coming in the future, and they're all SOLID 6-stars. Sure, none of them are actually damage dealers (except maybe Gladiia) but that's no excuse for Vigil to be so underwhelming in his own role, in comparison or otherwise.
They really need to give his wolf stats that are not total garbage. Either actual stat changes or a good module at the very least.
Becose of Mumu, who needs a limit operator if there is already a _free_ with such a kit? her banner will be pulled out only because of fanservice
Vigil is so bad even FrostByte says no straight up to him
Can I request a Operator showcase on Dorothy?
Raised him due to my rage not getting texter, and got her a day before the banner ended. Goodshit
Look at what they did to my boy 😢😢
They would legit have to give vigil a 50% stat boost on his summon for him to be okay
Flametail: Look at what they did to mimic a fraction of our power.
A laneholder-esque vanguard who doesn't generate a lot of DP but can be used as laneholder if necessary. At least Flametail has ways to stay alive because of her quick cycle SP for S3 which gives her chance to survive longer. Vigil on the other hand only has damage, which isn't really impressive.
Flametail is one of those VGs that can be kept around as legitimate secondary laneholders cum Guard stand-ins after the early-phase DP printing needs have been fulfilled, which is if nothing else useful role compression. Saga is another and has her SP-feeding gimmick for added team support too, and Tacticians That Aren't Vigil all have useful niches they can fill.
Pimp Wolf here is just ;_;
*Placing vigil to hold a lane* "at that point you can just place a mountain" duh but mountain isn't free to get max pot + he is the best 6* lane holder.... vigil worked tho or didn't he? Instead of building *insert guard* you can just use Surtr at that point. Bro whats your point?
My point is that Vigil's niche seems to be his wolf pack not having deployment limit while he uses one. In that case, other six stars who also only uses one deployment limit can be the lane holders, replacing Vigil and his wolfpack, so the confusion becomes, why have him
I E2 him for his base skills
Beanstalk still do better
Its vigiling time
Finaly! Explain, smart man!
Even worse than regular Skadi?
Yes. Unmoduled OG!Skadi isn't exactly brilliant but does Dreadnought kinds of things perfectly capably - with Modules (never mind now the legit seriously broken AH synergy buffs) she's stronk af.
Vigil? Fucking Beanstalk already does Tactician kinds of things a whole lot better and cheaper.
4:37 That would be broken for Tactician Vanguards to generate DP in mass amounts, it's too much of an operator of one kit. You want an all-in-one unit that would break balance. There isn't Tactician who is capable of constant fast-cycling regen like his skill 2, and there AREN'T always maps where you can allow yourself make early enemies pass in exchange of generating DP like what Flagbearer arc offers while lacking own control. You also didn't really make objective calculation (relying on different scenarios) on his DP efficiency to prove that, which provokes doubts knowing potential of low cooldown skills. You don't assume where this could do a trick, and this is a game of circumstances causing you to be flexible, thence such approach is a mistake
You fucking offer to use oodles of operators no matter of case.
"Why wouldn't i use Myrtle instead?" Because it depends on scenario. As much as Agent Vg's deployment cost goes too expensive at Annihilation so you don't rely on them. It's not like you have to use only one Vanguard in the face of Vigil, the fact he present just gives you much of flexibility. You don't always wanna make shit ton of dp. You even can bring Vergil himself and one perfomance Vg screwing out surplus DP income for what wolfie can offer, compared to just regular Vg's that wouldn't do thing demanded by map so you will have to use key op's early due to their lacklustre, which can even fuck your timing rotation where you need key skill on.
Your takes aren't objective enough
It's not analysis, it's confounding opinion (made of feelings), uncle.
I think they tried to make him too well-rounded. Ranged operator with good attack speed, 3 block + small sustain, deals good damage when attacking blocked enemies, small DP generation on the side.
But I think as a summon operator, they should expand his summon better. As you said he excels at holding trash mobs, but as a 6 star shouldn't he do that by default? Maybe give wolf some kind of damage reduction, scaling relative to the damage it takes? For example taking 300 damage gets reduced by 10% = 270, while taking 1500 gets reduced by 50% = 750? Would make more sense to have wolf tank for a little longer so Vigil's extra damage gets some use. What good is it against elite mobs if they one-shot wolf?
Tweak the numbers and I feel like that would make him synergize better with his talent, and give S2 sustain a purpose.
5:53 both potential and lv.3 Module gave you 24 plus 30 ATK stat on Blue Posion, while also having higher level than Vigil. It's not so fair. *Not only that you have broken Mastery 3 which escalates her DPS by half,* while his own skill was at Level 7 without mastery where you generally start speking of timings comfort state, *and still done the job not even being air-focused sniper.*
Your thesis was that he is doing same as BP below, but you forget of different skillsets they hold. Darn, Blue Poison is one of the most busted snipers due to multi-targeting (it's a big crowd control feature), huge ATK scaling on S1 hits and Arts posion from passive, while your Vigil is picked with S3 and not even S2 that would be auto. Why didn't you pick a second skill on BP, then? It's like saying that Specter is bad in combat while not pressing her skill at all. Come on.
Do you even understand how stats work? I guess you do, then why? >.
I would talk about whatever you said in a Blue Poison video, and not here, end of story, think before you speak
@@kukkikaze you should too, uncle
Piss poor wolves
He seems to do a bit better with Skalter, who can buff him and heal his summon.
Also, his wolves has 20 RES. Each wolf is 1k HP, so total HP is #wolf x 1,000, which on paper is not bad.
I am more of a waifu player. So I don't see myself E2-ing him anyway.
Maybe his modules will be broken. Hey 6 stars are supposed to get two modules, right?
swapping with Mountain just overkill even for 6*. just put scavenger in mountain spot, there is medic there anyway.
HG already kill his existance with the appearance of Mumu.
thanks for raising him for sake of entertainment
Hilariously enough Vigil would have the potential to be one of the best Vanguards if his skill 2 acted like Flametail S1 instead of Siege S2. IE: It procs automatically even if there is no enemy in range instead of only procing if the wolf is alive and has an enemy to attack. Combine that with ~500 more HP on the wolf, S1 being manual activation and S3 having better cycle or up time and you would have one hell of a unit.
OFC that will never happen as HG seems to be allergic to buffs 95% of the time outside of talent quackery via modules. . .
They should have given him better DP generation. A mediocre line unit that produces DP might be outperformed by Flagpipe, sure, but not everyone has Flagpipe. Then he’d at least have a role, instead of using two map spaces for a mediocre unit with a paper summon.
i was excited to try out Vigil when i got him and saw the other hypes around him. I lv-ed him to E2 lv 10 and went to one of the event stages. The wolves just kept on dying on me and leaked. Meanwhile, my Myertle was doing a better block on the other lane....
Vigil's attack was so low when enemies were not blocked by the wolves. AND the wolves could not be healed unless it's by passive healing like Skater or Perfumer's. Then, that's like... allocating two slots just to use the wolves. In my IS 3 run, I also tried him. He leaked in the very first stage - that was when I knew it was done for me to use him.
The character art is definitely cool, but it's prob not meant for me.
Ok, but seriously though, how much of it is his skill fault vs how much is it just a stat buff required moment? Like as an early unit, his skill is not half bad, the effect are decent. The wolf and vigil himself just need some stat buff really.
Why blacknight's summon have additional range but vigil's not? Also my struggle with tactician is they can't attack enemy if you put their summon at the edge of their range and the enemy come from outside of their range.
ngl his S1 and S2 are pain to use as sub DP printer since he wont generate any DP if the wolf is not deployed (S1) or attacking enemies (S2) which tactic that control deployment order by placing the summon last just wont work with him.
blacknight and beanstalk doesnt have this issue since they still generate dp even when the summon are not deployed...
I'd say a redeeming quality for Vigil is that you get him for free cuz as someone that just started playing the game like 3 months ago it's still cool having another 6star that does a lot without needing to upgrade him too much. Wasn't as hype when I got both tex alt and penance as a f2p but hey, free 6star amiright?
If only he prioritized targeting the enemy who was blocked by the reinforcement. I will use him more
One thing to note about his s3 is, it deals arts dmg every time Vigil or his Wolfpacks deal damage to the enemy that are blocked by it. So if you're able to keep his Wolfpacks alive, he's able to deal 6 hits of arts dmg to enemies blocked by his Wolfpacks. It's not a huge deal, but still something.
thing is, with the up-to-date contents, all it takes is one touch and the wolves start respawning
@@cs_derp Yeah, that's really unfortunate
Actually thats wrong
Only FIRST hit of vigils s3 deals the arts damage and its uncertain why
@@yuurina5092 You mean his kit isn't just poorly designed but _bugged_ to boot? That's pretty _sugoi._
@@yuurina5092 Really? I'll need to test that out
Don't :(
Hi , I wanna ask , do you have every operators you own levelled to e2?
how much PO would it cost potentially
base slave it is
If they gonna adjust and buffing the operator which I don't think it is gonna implement without nerfing something down. which I suggest to do it yearly like what they did on the dossoless event Anniversary.
when even kukki cant positively speak about an operator, you know its bad
you didnt mention that when vigils wolf dies only one of the wolf shadow dies, so he has 3000 hp not 1000 hp
I wrote under other similar videos, I will write here too - His "Wolf Pack" should receive armor for each "Wolf Shadow".
Not even 100% of the initial, but at least 30% for each shadow + summon shadow every 25 seconds is a very long time, very 15-17 seconds is optimal
Could you do a showcase for Kafka? I think a lot of players would benefit from that.
8:03 you *think* that the timings are too short, or you have a established methodic by which you can judge whether it's comfortable enough?
I wouldn't call 1/2.3(3) (15/25) window too long enough, it looks like all vanguard skills that provide some short utility you're able to manage. Why not call Ely ASPD buff absurd, then? Did you see window on both of his skills? And it's just for snipers. And damn, oh, crap, old Texas also offers 3 second stun for 40 sec downtime and have a 25% higher DP efficiency by her combat skill, but it's burst attack while Vigil offers DoT with his S3. To this moment you shall already understand that these are always used depending on situation, because immediately understandable that Texas does arts dmg Crowd Control hit, while Vigil applies high-ATK multi-instance burst with Arts ticks that is still being assisted by his and Wolf Pack's DEF ignore passive.
By being a guider, you should give people image of how to use operator's flexibility smart. You didn't even mention where fast arts hits could be usable (it's not only limited to Invitation to Wine event, but also may potentially help to wash off enemy shield), didn't say how much Tactician Vanguards carried Stultifera Navis event by blocking off spreading Nethersea Brand even while having summon buried down. (Black Rosemary made use of it very much in guides)
This point of view is really as shortsighted as the bound of own nose distance.
While I respect your efforts to write long comments, I think there's too much issues with your comments that you don't even seem to realize. There's a lot of the why didn't you do this, or why didn't you talk about this, which my short answer is, it's not significant enough to do this, or it's not relevant to do so. You have to realize I give screentime to one specific operator in every operator showcase and as far as possible I do not make comparisons unless I deem necessary, which over here, the problem is not Vigil vs. one specific named person, but Vigil vs. practically any operator in the game. Also, I don't care about stats, I am not sensitive to stats, and a lot more people don't as well than people who do, because people just wants the straightforward answers of tell me how this operator is really good or not as good, or just show me what this operator can do. If you don't like this presentation, don't watch these videos, get out, because I don't cater to such audiences. My goal of any operator videos is to tell people objectively about an operator, both the goods and the problems. Unfortunately, Vigil clearly has way more problems than any redeeming factors. Whatever the points you want to talk about, I would vouch better in videos for Beanstalk, Blacknight or Muelsyse. Henceforth the problem of Vigil. It's pointless to counter every view you put in a span of three comments, but I think you need to understand I did not present this video falsely, and I should not be sugarcoating things either.
@@kukkikaze Few video ago you was "Use your brain! People grow better only thru practice!" and now you just tell that stats aren't the point, and you serve a simplified answer for "most people". How would you expand complex gameplay understanding for others if you don't even handicraft on own practice?
@@swame The two things you said have little to no correlation, I think you are the real confused one here, please don't make a fool out of yourself unnecessarily before you become a negative face of the community. I don't really gain anything out of furthering this. I repeat myself that if you don't like the presentation, leave the channel, I know what I'm doing and I stand by what I'm doing. I've made attempts to explain what that is and if you fail to understand it, what else am I to do, make a whole video response to you and you alone? It's not worth it, it only makes you the enemy
@@kukkikaze can you provide an argument?
Wait who are the worst operator now except vigil?
Frostleaf and Quartz immediately come to mind.
Tsukinogi
He's a nightmare because he broke the balance of the game. The absolute operator
He is a vanguard not a defender or gaurd, he is not supposed to hold lane without support alone. Vangaurds cost less for a reason.
Bagpipe,saga,flametail all these vgs can hold a lane on their own for longer than him.
man i really hope his module does good things for him the way passenger's does