Discussion | Zimbabwe exemption permits ‘cul-de-sac’
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- Thousands of Zimbabweans living in SA might find themselves stranded after the government decided to do away with Zimbabwean Exemption Permits. Advocate Simba Chitando from the Zimbabwean Exemption Permit Holders' Association and activist and member of the Soweto Parliament, Nhlanhla Lux speak to#eNCA Courtesy #DStv403
When the permits were negotiated in 2009 where was Chitando?South Africans have been good to us, as a fellow developing country they have their own problems as well,we need to sort our issues at home.Thank for hosting us South Africans,we will find a way.Nhlanhla,ukhuluma inyani mfowethu.
Good Fences enforce good neighborliness
@@WNdaba Zim is worth fighting for. Go home fellow brothers and sisters don't be misled. Zim will rise again.
@@ellenzodwa536 Zimbabweans and deflecting and projecting 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I am not a Zimbo and never will. I dont have relatives and never will. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@ellenzodwa536 I fully agree. It would be so wonderful if Zimbabwe would rise again and be a dormant economy in Africa. Surely its worth fighting for.
zimbos have the guts to take a host nation Government to court in that Governments own country but can not fight the ZANPF Government back home sies
Shocking, this Chitando must be Zimbabwe govt project
This lawyer needs to go fight for our rights in Zimbabwe and stop harassing a country that has been good to us for years
True there he is a coward.He is representing himself.
He is representing 💰 🤑 💸 that's what matters most for Mr lawyer
Exactly🙌🙌🙌 where was he with a big head when Mugabe was running the country down.
@@ellenzodwa536 he does looks like a zanupf thug.
Kamwana kemunhu wezanu hakuna kwaanoenda kuzimbabwe koita human right work
We as Zimbabweans we should be grateful for what South Africa has done for us,South Africa has every right to say this is as a far as i can go to assist you.The help we need as Zimbabweans is beyond going back home or staying in South Africa
@Nonchalant M not South Africa alone it seekd help from neighbouring countries Nd international community
Ah you are crazy, grateful for anc helping zanu stay in power. And pacify us by allowing us to live in south Africa??????
@@tafadzwa6712 yes blame everyone else except you.....im done with your excuses for real
@@tafadzwa6712 So true. ANC kept corrupt Mugabe in power forcing millions to go over the border. The new guy is just Mugabe's military man.
@@thembekilefono3126 fusek wena
God bless Zim. There is nothing impossible with u. Lokhu okubhekiselwa phansi, one day you will uplift it. One day it's going to be a testimony. It is well. He is still in control. We cant run forever. All Zimbabweans are now here. It is time to fix what is really ours. Let's keep praying. Nothing lasts forever. Everything has an expiry date.
So u r waiting for SA fall, so we must carry Zim burden bcoz we r scared of a future failure and Zim will not host us when tables have turned? Lol u r paralyzed mentally, just use all that effort by going back to yo country
@@somnandizwidetv They did during apartheid your leaders current ministers were hosted by Zambia 🇿🇲 under late Kaunda and Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 under Mugabe. What is important should be for South Africa 🇿🇦to play a political role as expected in SADC.This is important for democracy, human rights and rule of law. The elections in Zimbabwe 🇿🇼were never free and fair but South African plus other election observers declared them fair causing the current economic vacuum.This is one of the reasons they started issuing permits because of political and economic unrest and hardship.This is not diplomacy.How do you expect them to transform an economy that lost opportunism ,social services and human rights 🙄🤔 held by powerful dictatorial governance. Africa should observe this from an economic perspective!!!
Kodwa nina maNguni ase Zim bekumele nifumane permanent citizenship, ngoba lamaShona akanifuni eZimbabwe. May God keep all the Zim Ngunis safe .
@@vaeterua Few leaders not the entire country.
Nkosi sikeleli Zimbabwe. Maliphakanyiswe iphondo lwayo😅😅😅
South Africa has been good to us. It’s time we looked into our own situation as a country and stopped this. These permits said we will never have our status change.
If you guys start to help yourselves, we as South Africans will join. You will see the comradery. We want to see the same energy that crosses the border for December holidays also cross the border to go and vote in 2023.
@@jozigalm8159 you are right there. We Zimbabweans don’t really know were to waste our energy on. We can’t be doing this to South Africa they have been good to us. Very. We need to start working on our own countries issues in our own countries
Finally someone with common sense
@@jozigalm8159 well said
Good to you ?not to usyou talking nonsense do you know how many Zimbabweans dying here becoz of xenophobic I promise you one day wi will reply u they kill us a lots
Nhlanhla you are right, if i as a Zimbabwean do not qualify for a suitable permit next year then i must go back home. I am a Zimbabwean and did come in 2009 and got the special exemption permits, 12 years has gone by now and our hosts have extended an olive brach time and again to assist us. Now again out of goodwill we have been given 12 months to apply for suitable permits depending on which one best suits your situation, i have no doubt this is to benefit us. If one has spent the 12 years wisely and worked towards freedom from the desperation and helplessness that drove us here then there will be no need to panic. Some of us joined the formal industry and have proven to be industry leaders, some have established businesses legally, some have one way or the other abided by the rules and will definitely be awarded permits suitable to their various situations. Those who will be declined will definitely be given valid reasons and yes a few will be unfairly declined but it happens in any country. We need to be thankful for SA hospitality in accomodating us in our great numbers and not fight for what was never ours to begin with. Simba needs to accept this as fact!!!
Simba is a lawyer who wanna get paid. I was embarassed. I am feeling sorry for my country mates but it's their country.
Sometimes one needs to be tougher to make the other stronger. They say strong wall fences make good, friendly and united neighbors. Zimbabweans get another 12month chance to gather strength and money, good. SA must hold on their frustration a little longer and depend on Holy Spirit and Jesus mercy on who's gonna help them to be able to get employed and give them places to stay. I'm very glad for Zimbabweans and I'm still very much sad for my SAn brother and sisters suffering. My Zimbabwe fellow Africans that stay in my family house for long time now, will stay until they are ready to go back home. My electrician who installed my whole house inside out and all electrical appliances and repairs, I'll miss him very much. But those things they do for living, was great help to us. Now even so, I want so badly that Zimbabwe, the beautiful country must rise to its beauty again. Nobody will do it better but the owners of the country. That country is big, has resources and it's fertile and they have big lands too, I wish I was one of their citizens because of that.
Forward sister country don't be afraid. You are a strong nation with your heads on your shoulders and you will make it. Make us SA Botswana, Namibia proud.
While we SAns and Swaziland struggle, dealing with our hectic problems. Grow, shine and prosper for others, when you will say one day " fellow Africans, we know this journey and its ups and downs." You feel for them when you you'll give them a net and a bait and teach them how to fish." We wish for another perseverance SAns. God bless both countries and Swaziland and Mozambique.
I have been to Zim in the 90s, but this entitlement mentality that I have seen in the past 15 years has made me vow never to set foot in that country, ever!
Good
The time shall come, we will return to Canaan( nyika yehuchi nemukaka) . Like all great nations we will return to our original glory, Not to sound unappreciative ,south Africa has been good to us we thank you , its time to go back home mwana wevhu. This is the push we needed. Nguva ahimbofe yakakwana kuti chidzokerai.
@Nonchalant M Yes people were killed every where. Those who worked in the farms have horror stories to tell. My mother is one of them. If you collapse in the potatoes field you would be buried there without your family's consent. They didn't care. They would slapped a fully grown man/woman in front of their colleagues and enticed their children to treat like shit. We've been through the most while people come to our country and call us LAZY.
@@nokuthulahlongwane6086 Always looking backwards..Ever wondered why people from all these countries come to SA?There's so much opportunity in SA..For anyone who's willing to learn,to work and dream..
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
@@mandlenkosihlazo977 The jews are some of the richest people in the world today because they always look back where they come from. What is meant to be an insult to South Africans exposes your shallowness. Besides, who fought and opened the opportunities for people to come and exploit? The same black government that you are trying to despise!
@@mandlenkosihlazo977 Why you don't tell that to your brothers when they talk about liberated you, there fore have a right to be in SA? Why you don't tell them that they like looking back because all that is in the past because the present is different and have it's own challenges.
Zimbabwe let’s use this energy to fix our county.
U talking sense Tariegh
Enda wega usatikoka
@@chapter9363 Tariegh is spot on. Sure ungatye EDiot zvekubva warambira kunyika kwevaridzi dzokai kumusha kwenyu?...
@@chapter9363 wakokwa nani ndini ndakati usiye wapisa musha kuda kuita noise munyika dzevamwe.
Factssssss
After watching this I find that the education given to our youngsters is very minimal if not useless.These young people should be arguing as to why South Africa and Zimbabwe has all the Minerals and resources yet both countries are so poor?Which referee is sponsoring hate between Zimbabwe and South Africa.Why do we have very few Minority whites owning our resources? and dictating who moves where?
Roll.out your superior education and start debate. Leave us alone. What did Zimbabwe gain from their education..mmxceeeeww..
Zimbabwe is an independent country so is South Africa. Why are you putting them in the same sentence? One has white dictators as you mentioned and the other has the black detector, and I know which detector I would rather eat crumbs under the table of. Which one is worse for you as a black person? Eating crumbs under the table of the black master or the white one? I would rather eat crumbs under the white master's table because he/she's not an enemy in disguised.
And why they should debate about resource when the topic is immigration? Even those who talk smart are not smart at all. Maybe it's that reason we have billions of people on the world. One has to widen their horizons
I knew it was only a matter of time before a race card is thrown from a well known source in order to cause more chaos than necessary. South Africa is a multiracial country leave out the race issue out of this discussion as its got nothing to do with it.
Cape independence is what y'all need to focus on
E NCA definitely needs to set a debate between these two individuals with more time, they are DAMN INTRESTING. E NCA HAT'S OFF FOR HAVING THIS DEBATE.
The lawyer's lame answers should have been challenged. As it is, his mumbo jumbo was allowed to be the last word. His position needed a critical mind to challenge it.
Close yo mouth wenanja
I had to leave a job in Zim because I could not get a permit but they want SA to be different ?????????????
Sorry Mark. I can bet it was because of race. Zimbos and Nigerians are racist when they are in their countries..
I had to leave Mozambique
@@simsnyandeni3828 sorry. That gives us all the ammunition to reciprocate what theh do to SA in their countries.
Yep, Zimbabwe is for Zimbabweans while SA is for all
We need to fight for our South African youth to create and get jobs, we have a world wide pandemic,our health and municipality are for our South African people. We need space, we want to strengthen our economy. We and our young people are not stupid. Do not take advantage of our government and our citizens. Our borders will remain where they like they have been there for soooooooo many years. Give us our space. Our country cannot accommodate all of you. Please we cannot deal!!!!!
The number of undocumented Zimbabwean nationals in our criminal justice system is shocking!
So true. And they are giving birth hey🙄🙄🙄
Nhlanla my daughter has a child with her husband South African and is a South African please come help me from Eldorado Park home affairs don't want to help me I will tell you the story
I think Nhlanhla nailed it with his analogy of the mother and presents to child!
Nhlahla shoild have further supported his analogy by asking Chitando why he as a guest would even consider litigating if told he had overstayed his welcome and has to move out!
Come on guys...in countries like the UK naturalised citizenship can be revoked
This is just nothing .....we are not getting grant here in South Africa and we don't wish to...we eat what we work for.
@@momohannah6433 what is worse... leaving all your lives like that instead of going back home to rebuild Zimbabwe for future generations to come?🤔
He did but l aso think that if that child is contributing towards the household chores that child must also be acknowledged and be given some sort of recognition/ previlleges .ln this case l think if the mother buys you a pair leather boots then for the neighbour child who is being hosted in your house can get a pair of tommy tenis shoes .#myopinion and l am not trying to impose it on anyone
@@maimiagire26 axacley!...thats it again.
@@hopes9451 tell Trevor Noah to come back home
We needed to have this talk a long time ago.....Somalis, Zimbos , Indians , Chinese, Nigerians..ect every neighbouring country..... to let them know that we cannot host them any longer....
But remember there is a distinctive difference between hosting visitors with low skills and currently occupying jobs that could have been occupied by South Africans, and those with critical skills. We need to cut back on allowing everyone into the country just because we're a country that believes in the idea that everyone is welcomed. We need to narrow it down to those we need to contribute immensely with the much-needed skills.
@@fishdawn1804 People can only do what they know. Even with those critical skills, most of them are from corrupt countries they will never take our country to the next level. If they could do that, they would have done it their own countries. We are a developing country, we need people with expertise or train our own. But private companies have their our agenda to push. That is why the government should not leave them out of sight at all times.
If our government can be lenient on Zimbabweans again with our current high unemployment rate people on the ground will take law into their own hands come 2022 xenophobic attacks may surface n people already saw how weak is the security cluster it failed to contain recent kzn n gauteng lootings so if xenophobic attacks spread throughout the country it will be catastrophe.
@@nokuthulahlongwane6086 That's true! I think we need a monitoring and evaluation system for skills transfer and if there is one, then it has been proven to be ineffective. It's a pity that everything that our leadership in this country stands for is all in vain because they only care about kickbacks and what they can benefit from these private companies.
@@nokuthulahlongwane6086 i agree with you 100%. Good example..... South Korea.
Why is simba worried about SA more than Zimbabwe?
@Moe no he is concerned because he wants to force the SA government to continue taking in Zimbabwean citizens. Why not take zanu-pf to court for being an oppressive and brutal regime? He won't because he is part of zanu-pf. You Zimbabweans who support him are supporters of zanu-pf.
@@IamBarati exactly
Funny when we protest and march against Zanupf they keep quite. Who is he representing vele. We have Ngqbutho Mabhena who can talk sense not this legal what what in SA...too much entitlement.
He knows he is going to make more money from poor Zimbabweans by promising to have their permits extended. Scam.
He is only speaking fer few documented Zimbabweans. Theres many undocumented who jumped the fence.
Nhlanhla Lux, you do South Africa Proud, but let me tell you that Zimbabwe is not the only problem, Pakistan, India and Bangladeshi foreigners take millions out of the country everyday, if you want to save South Africa start by not renewing their papers and let all foreigners leave and reapply to enter because most of the ones here now bought their papers, IDs, if you going to cleanup the country then be fair, I remember very clearly when telkom went bankrupt 20 years ago it was because Pakistanis were stealing the cables and making overseas calls ultimately resulted in the beginning of our troubles, as they were employing Zim, then it made other countries clever that were are a naieve country and the we became the haven for corruption, its good to see the new generation taking the reigns I salute you.
Tell us Sister. We need the truth.
The cleanup will reach every one believe me my Sister SAns are tired of all these uncaring both illegal and legal migrants and ANC knows that their punishment has only just reached the tip of an iceberg as people on the ground are watching daily.
Hats off ....every foreign notional must go you are right
He was including all those nations.. Government is failing dismally
Foreign nationals must be here with legal documents, not elligal documents. It is unfair on us South Africans.
We don't have to explain ourselves to them,SA is overcrowded with illegal immigrants and government is doing nothing about it
Surely having a permit means one is here legally
@@millicentsifisomthunzi3799 are you one of them? You sure defend em a lot
@@isis6093 lol. There's "us" & "them"?
No they should not be here with or without legal documents
So this lawyer is saying our economy depends on Zimbabwe, so if their economy is so good why are they refusing to go back home. He also says they are not illegal so why are they demanding automatic citizenship coz they can apply the normal way like everyone else
Yu didn't get him right we are yr customers thus we make the economy better we are buying goods from here think outside the box
You miss the point here.
Yes and its true
That's besides the point, the point is, Zim want SA to create jobs for their citizens even when SA economy is on its knees, can't even provide jobs for their citizens......the SA economy is diversified and mixed ... ranging from finance to industrialization.....by the way SA government has been popping a lot of money into corrupt ZANU-PF... Go home and let's restore Zim situation back to normality permanently...stop being selfish and and arrogant.....let's be honest that SA can't carry all problems of AFRICA...we too have our own problems
@@mawishamafifi5201 Yeah, these guys are arguing like children and are completely missing the point purposefully, Zimbabweans must just fix Zimbabwe instead of being crybabies in other countries. This is simple and not rocket science. We would love to see Zimbabwe successful.
They must face ZANU PF head on. That is the permanent solution.
Our brothers and Sisters from Zimbabwe are creating a problem for everyone, the Zimbabwean government is the "main" problem for Zimbabweans, and S.A cannot just cut if off because without S.A things will get both Economic and Political worse for our brothers and sisters who choose to remain, hence the Mbeki and Zuma debacles we South Africans chastise our governments for till this day. The unfortunate reality is that our Zim brothers and sister are actually competing with the poorest S.Africans for jobs. Many if not all of them are actually absorbed by the very same poor communities and as a result end up adding more strain on the medical and electrical supply in that area,. My Zimbabwean brothers and sisters stop drinking the potion of "middle-class" South Africans who are trying to undermine the S.African poor every chance they get, a South African whose actually in touch with the poor masses of South Africa just told you "How dare you, come into my house and take my mother to court", please understand the sentiment because what you are doing or trying to do offends us, and is alienating us from the Pan-Africanist cause. if you think you've seen xenophobia, think again. Together we can find a more prosperous way to live rather than squeezing each other for resources to survive which will create conflict we all don't want.
It was foolishness to even imagine going to court..Common sense.
The Zim lawyer’s smart and intelligent, except he doesn’t wanna use all that to fix his country.
His energy and intellectl is misplaced, he should b holding his govn accountable but nooo instead he is busy fighting the neighboring country, the very same country that is hosting him
South Africans forget that Zim is a dictatorship
South Africans forget that Zim is a dictatorship
Papino well said
@@iifuctxtxtxyc6145 Ramaphosa has displayed signs of dictatorship and abuse of state power. You disagree with him he jails you or remove you. Good example is Ace Magashule, and some social media ordinary citizens. That never happened during Zuma times. People criticized him anyday. We are no different.
No South African can go into Zimbabwe without legal documentation.
On that note it's not about us remember border officials are just also corrupt. Zimbabweans don't use flying brooms to enter South Africa
Taking responsibility for entering SA legally and being legally but won't take responsibility for being illegal because I'm not but will take responsibility for being Zimbabwean because I am
My issue is of being truthful don't blame one party a coin has 2 sides
You are so stupid to say that when you have war in South Africa where were you running to
Let them take their locusts mentality to Zimbabwean. One gets employed, one thousand show up? It's madness. Zimbabwe have no economy to trade with. They are our "biggest trading partner" how? Or he's talk about history like they always do.
As Zimbabwean's let's respect the law full stop and move to other Visa's
Which visas? And how many are going to qualify those visas? Its one in a thousand. Let ask something here, is it only Zimbabwean who are foreigners in South Africa? One maSouth Africans iNgwenya zizobe zidla lina trying to escape to Zimbabwe. Mark my words. Umpathe kahla umakhelwane wakho, uzomdinga kusasa
@@madambate2111 we will cross that bridge when we get there 4 now we are saying people must go home and rebuild their economies, stop being so emotional, u are a visitor meaning thez time for arrival and time to leave, if u overstay your visit u end up irritating your host cos u know start to have entitlement, this is the case with Zim and SA
Lol move to your own country.You are not even trying to solve situation back home,you are just comfortable here.
No!! Ad Zimbabweans we need to mobilise get 6 months military training and go back to reclaim our country and rebuild it, like Rwanda, Singapore, South Korea, Israel and all other countries that were once lost but now found , it takes wisdom and courage to achieve greatness..
@@mabhodlelajj1195 how many times have Zimbabweans tried to lift their heads and protest problem is Zimbabwe does not have human rights live ammunition is used on them people get get arrested or killed for trying to lift their heads unless UN or SADC get involved in these issues zim will always be under dictatorship
I can't believe south Africans are so easily manipulated by Zimbabweans and these other African countries. Its a shame.
Don't worry South Africa... Very soon tables will turn.
We are fighting against that. Human Rights Organizations have been pacifying us for a long time and enough is enough. We told them that SA rights are Human rights too.
Its so annoying ANC has turned this country into a laughing stock as they want to please all these African countries who don't care about this country. Its too annoying and they will be punished in 2024 at the polls mark my words
@@hopes9451 so who will you put? Malema who already support kwere kweres?
@@twahtwah2479 the basic thing that South Africa is not seeing from Zimbabwe is the southafrican economy is bemefiting from the dead Zimbabwean economy . 90% of the things that are in Zimbabwe are made from southafrica therefore the government knows that the moment Zimbabwe liberate its own Economy there will be less exports to Zim therefore low sales . 😉 open your eyes you uneducated fools . We are benefiting from these foreign countries that have dead economies
At one point we must stop running we have a home
Well said. I hope they listen and start packing and stop listening to the lawyers who are just misleading them.
We are not declaring a war between RSA and ZIM we are saying let's trade while you are home. We are already trading with South Africans in South Africa so why can't Zim be minimal in RSA
It's sad that Zimbabweans came and settle in South Africa, it was seen as the last thing that one could do, very desperate situation because of our brutal government, but we need to go back, home is home
I already move before the announcement of the permits in Nov home is the best, I am still by all means to establish in my country after I left Zim in 2007. I am very encouraged by a lot people developments, most of Zim people owns big houses worth millions of rands they never left Zim. I left Zim but own no property in Zim becz of hand to mouth situation in SA.
Can you imagine going to the US or the Middle East and talk like this? They’d deport you the next day. More SAs i jobs means more SAs to spend money in SA
We a in south to stay, and we a basically taking over, 1st with your jobs most middle management in SA is Zimbabwean, then next your education most uni lectures are zimbos then after that we now taking your women, personally I have 4 kids w 4 south Africans. Next we are taking positions in political parties. By 2030 there will be a zimbo president in south africa
@@tafadzwa6712 🤭🤭 bragging about kids you make all over. Those are bas..tards that will amount to nothing because of your irresponsible decisions. I have observed many of these mixed national kids. Total failure. MAYBE IN 100 YEARS we may have a Zimbabwean politician. In this century, haaai forget it🙅🏾♀️ 🤣🤣🤣
@@tafadzwa6712 Lol you see such statements will infuriate SAns, and you'll be restricted in all sectors of the economy and be chased away
@@WNdaba jolidee matongo became a mayor didn't he, Banda is very high up in ANC. Naledi Chirwa, And Dali Mpofu are Powerful in EFF. U south Africans are lazy, very lazy u don't go to school and u just expect things to happen, zimboz will stay in south Africa, the business world will make sure of that mark my words
@@Funi_ no one will chase away anyone, these truck drivers that are trying to chase zim drivers, they forget they will need to deliver to zim, Zambia, drc Malawi also, wait till they start getting a hiding when ever they cross the border, who ever leads these driver unions is extremely daft.
The economy of south Africa is dependent on it's SADC consumer base, once u restrict SADC pple movement the respective gvt will heavily tax your goods and collapse your industry. A lot more jobs will be lost then. That's why thabo mbeki created those permits
We need a longer discussion on this topic . The two young men are very well spoken. We don’t have an issue with foreigners but you need documentation to show who you are, where you live and if you’re paying tax.
Cha, for now we dont need them all together unless they have scarce skills. The same scarce skills list that we will soon challenge. When is the government planning to invest on Human resources? We are tired of hearing about scarce skills. When are they gonna close the gap?
We don't need anymore discussions they must go home and our government needs to look after its own, health care, employment ect.
The is no longer descusion that is needed here,Zimbabweans need to understand that SA can not carrey their problems,we have enough of our own too
the time for discussion has long come and gone,
you can not be discussing the same issue for over a decade and think it will yield different results, that is foolhardy,
and these non-productive discussions are going on, SAns continue to be jobless,
DELAY AND OR PROCRASTINATION IS DANGEROUS,
WHAT SOUTH AFRICA NEEDS RIGHT NOW IS DECISIVE LEADERSHIP OVER THIS MATTER,
not discussion....PERIOD1
South africa as a regional power must have intervened in brutal and destructive regimes like in Zim and eSwatini to stop those economies collapsing and sending millions of illegal immigrants to SA.
Anything that will or is affecting you is your problem to.
We going to fight for our country 💜💯🔥
Tell others. We cannot stay unemployment..
Learn how to do business..What skill did you learn during the 12 months of 2021?
What about the Nigerians let them go home aswell y its seems like its all about Zimbabweans
the subject at hand is specifically about Zimbaweans
What's the point of us buyng water from Lesotho and then have Lesotho nationals drinking all that water nd more?
Lol
lol 💯
Best comment so far.
They must also start packing their blankets 🙉🙉🙉
Lol! When must annex Lesotho.
Zimbabwe should look after there own. South African youth need jobs. This is ridiculous 😒.
Looking at the colour of your skin Debbie, who is close to being a South African between you and Zimbabweans?
(Jokes) 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@brianmazorodze4860 She is more South African than a Zimbabwean.
You call that a joke?
@@ctjhaba6668 She looks Indian from the pic and they appear more acceptable here than other native Africans (that is what surprises me). Their race “Indian” actually has a name of another country so far away from both SA and Zim. Yet Zimbabweans are……..
I declared it a joke to avoid drawing unintentional connotations of racism.
@@brianmazorodze4860 Debbie is a south african
@@brianmazorodze4860 this racial debate that the zimbos like using is very boring truth be told, u love telling us that we sick up to white people buy yet yall kicked them out of Zim only to follow them her and work for slave wages, to top it all of yall are fleeing to the EU in numbers following the very same people, haai cumon man stop it already
Well said, they must go home
You are right Nhlanhla
I thank you south africa for what you did You helped us a lot.Personally I m going back.Simba should have thanked the RSA.
Zimbabwe is our biggest trading partner we benefit a lot than we loose from them ...only people without business think if they depart and start getting services elsewhere things will get better for us ...sorry the business shrinks as well ... thousands of our trucks cross everyday to that country it's business ....a sour relationship with Zim is bad for business ...anything bad for business is bad for jobs let's use brains my fellow people
You dont get it. We want that business and revenue to go to Zim. We wants a successful Zimbabwe and not one sided success
Wrong SAs biggest trading partner is China. Zims biggest trading partner is SA. These things are not the same
@@WNdaba Yes, I feel like our Zimbabwean brothers and sisters are completely missing the point, we are not beefing or hating on Zimbabwe, we just want them to fix their country and be successful in it. We will rejoice with them. We have a lot of problems in SA, we can't be dealing with illegal immigrants.
Truck cross with most stolen goods
@@nostramashego4226 is it though? Given what recently happened to Uganda do you think china is in it to boost your economy or they just waiting for something like this to happen that may cripple the economy leading to unpaid debts thus finding SA also losing main businesses.......China owns Zim well partially but hey sothin aboThomas seeing is believing
I'm failing to understand why our neighbors are taking an offense to this. They have other permits they can apply for, or go home and fix the issues you have there. As for the litigation our neighbors have initiated, they're challenging the sovereignty of the country now.
No offense taken bro... The guy is ZANU PF... he doesn't represent all ZEP holders. The court case though, it doesn't challenge sovereignty of RSA, it is a mere court challenge meant to test the law. If they were serious they would have waited, and done a proper court challenge in a lower court citing the Promotion of Administrative Justice Act 3 of 2000, and the Bill of Rights. The handling of of the ZEP debacles leaves a lot of the logistics vague and potentially causes disenfranchisement for Zimbabweans while waiting to change their permits
@@AllHope23 Do you even take the government to court? Even for issues of life and death.? Mnangagwa and his cabinet so comfortable with no court cases to deal with although their people have fled their homes. No challenges going their way.
I love SA.One time we don't want foreigners then when foreign borders and flights are closed and canceled everybody cries
Hayi maan it's clear we need people who would contribute to the economy not you and we also want to travel A Y I S E C A C E.
@@japrosper1258 You don't even know me but you can talk about me behind your phone.Why do you wana travel when you don't want people to come to you?
Did you ever been at the airport or in a plane? FYI I am not Zimbabwean by the way.
what about the hit in our schools , my SA child has not been placed in a school for 3 years now , no one is willing to help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think our learned friend here is confusing issues. Zimbabweans buy from South Africa. South Africa receives money, they receive goods. It’s a simple transaction. There’s no other expectations. I cannot move into Checkers and expect them to give me a place to stay because I occasionally buy food there. I pay I go. Simple. And most importantly, they need us as much as we need them. Honestly, if they stop buying from South Africa where else can they buy? Let’s be rational here and stop scoring points. Arrogance won’t solve this issue. Finding common ground is the only solution. Stop taking South Africa to court because they are enforcing the law of their country, sit down and negotiate.
They can buy in other countries
@@zodwamhlanga8797 😄😄 which ones? The ones that buy from South Africa too?
@@kckc121 Did you know that SA get electricity from Mozampique
Even if SA gets electricity from Mozambique it's not free it's paid for unless there was an agreement I don't know of that it's in exchange of illegal immigrants 🤷🏿
@@zodwamhlanga8797 you think S.A. can stand firm without it's neighbours? Use your common sense it's not sold it's for free
foreigners l know the struggle is real in your home countries ,its hard for all of us as africans especial the youth....we need to appreciate and respect and admire them south africans for hosting us in their country ,and giving us everything that we have ,lets not insult them, let us all thank them.....our african ancestors will be very proud of us if we do that.....on behalf of foreigners l say thank you south africans God bless you....we will try to go and fix our own countries so that one day when you need our help too we will be able to assist you.....lets not fight one another africans we are one....lets not make our enemies who want to seperate us happy....as the youth lets be one lets fight for our africans brothers and help where we can for future purposes.....in zimbabwe the youth is being oppressed, in nigeria,ghana,ethopia forgive me if my spellings are wrong,etc...lets help them fight for their rights....l respect you south africans for your tolerance...ONE LOVE.......Lets now fix africa its time.
Im just wondering if it really makes a difference since most foreigners are undocumented.
Don't worry , sooner or later they'll be begging to go home ✌️
@@ntombizodwamahlangu2829 How so may I ask. Some have been there for 20 plus years undocumented. With children born and raised in SA.
It does make a difference,if you don't have SA IDs you won't be burden for the most part to SA govenment
@@cc35506 if they have no IDs,they won't be burden for the most part to SA govenment.These ones they want permanent residence so that they can have IDs,and become SA citizens,witch is just nonsense coz SA can carry Zimbabweans when it can barely carey SA people. Trust me,if the can be a political party that is willing to deport people back home,that's not hard to do.
@@mabhodlelajj1195 Majority of foreigners are undocumented and theyve survived 20 plus years in SA so this permit issue affects just a small percentage. Unless if there is a deportation order where any illegals are detained on the spot and sent back to their countries. Which is again tricky coz most dont even have passports and they can come back illegally. Looks like an unending cycle here.
Zimbabweans are not SA's biggest consumers, but add a lot to the GDP burden of the country.
Surely there has to be a better of dealing with the matter than to have more people who may not be economically productive and beneficial to a country that is already overburdened with its own domestic challenges.
ZIMBABWEANS MUST REALISE THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MUST CHANGE THEIR COUNTRY & NOT WAIT FOR OTHER COUNTRIES TO FIX ZIMBABWE FOR ZIMBABWEANS TO GO BACK TO ZIMBABWE!!!
One question.I do not intend to offend anyone. Did Black South Africans change apartheid and the problems as a result of it? It took a very long time and grace for the White apartheid government to let go off power. Till date has everything been fixed? It is not a quick fix and so is the situation with Zimbabwe after a 'Liberation struggle' and a bush war fought by black Africans to remove white settler governments. You have a period of peace and prosperity then another big problem arises. South Africa is not immune to that too and does not live in a bubble. Both nations are totally interdependent on each other dating back in history economically ,politically and culturally. South African refugees were looked after in Zimbabwe for decades , receiving benefits and social housing in our time of prosperity, no one complained. Zimbabwe was bombed for protecting South Africans no one complained , never attacked or kicked out their guests. Zim trained freedom fighters for South Africa and supported it enormously as its neighbour never treating it a a stranger. Peace and love to all!
It's ok home is home we are going
Yes dear we will go asixoshwanga ekhaya it's not like ezulwini ungena ma ungum south africa
@@beatricezulu8386 hai braz go,you guys don't even try to fix problems back home,you are just comfortable in SA while Zanu PF is enjoying wealth of Zimbabwe with their families and friends
@@mabhodlelajj1195 comfortable yomsuzo uyake usithengele ipapa wena ungazo khuluma amanyala,wena wenzani to fix your country ngoba layo I SA is going down soon iyafana le Zim
We need a debate between these two.....Nhlanhla is speaking truth.
Nhlanhla Lux for President✊🏿
This Zimbabwean gentleman clearly does not know his politics. They, are only but one of many trade partners, he must get rid of that chip on his shoulder. Zim most definitely needs us more than we need them and if you look at the Beitbridge situation, they need to stop fleeing from the destruction that they have created in their own country.
U may be correct, but I think the day South Africa stop stealing zimbabwe platinum 'the best Quality in the world ' and stop Supporting Zanu Pf, then we can start seeing Zimbabweans going back.
I am just pleased that Zimbabweans struggle so much but yet Achieve success. Those pple are educated and hard working.
U go to UK and see Zimbabwe Professionals all over.
These people are amazing.
But I feel for South Africa because their gvt isn't helping to create employment. They are just damn corrupt.
I admire how Simba was so cool and collected.
He is a devil's advocate, that's why. He is pushing SA purposely for his ZanuPF
He was so cool because I knew well that South Africa is not an island.
We need to rebuild both our countries Zimbabwe and South Africa and can you imagine what a powerhouse we would be….
South Africans, are hard working people, please employers of all sectors employ them,let them benefit from their micro economy of their Country...
God bless our Country...
Action SA
Thank you...
Yes as a South African I agree fully. It is about time that we South Africans voice our rights. You do not find thousands of South Africans in neighboring countries. We are being choked by foreign nationals and many foreigners has false documents!!!!!
Why a permit if it was black American we have to get visa and bring lots of money millions of rands and only hire south African which I have no problem with rather hire black then to take my business to china... they can do the
Same
Not thousands but Millions
915,000
In 2020, cumulative South African emigrants amounted to roughly 915,000. The vast majority settled in the United Kingdom (around 247,000), followed by Australia (nearly 200,000).
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Stock of emigrants from South Africa in 2020, by country of destination.
South Africa is paying for water from Lesotho is not free
Amen
Zimbabweans are also paying taxes so we ain't here for free also. Some Zimbabweans even have companies and they are on the ZEP but to change those permits to other Statuses isn't easy however let's not assume that every Zimbabwean is bringing down this country. As for illegal immigrants blame it on corrupt Home Affairs officials if the border was "Tight" then none of this would have happened and I'f the Visa System of 2008 had been kept no one would jump the border people would still be using Visas. This issue has a lot of people to blame get the facts straight and then start pointing fingers
@@oliviamanungo7395 border officials make you cross into SA by force.
1.Border officials make one of your own to produce mass fraudulent ID, drivers license, birth certificates?
2.Border officials make Zimbo women to come to SA to give birth in SA by force.
3. Border officials force ZamaZamas to transport people to SA by force.
Haaaaai akhona bo lama-officials. It's never your fault but always someone else's fault. Every none national know their standing in the country, but they intentionally stay to benefit from our " bad education", health system and infrastructure. There are no innocent immigrants her.
The taxes you claim you pay are statutory obligation and not an elective. You are in SA, use our roads, our municipal services, electricity, government services. No one invited you in the first place, you came voluntarily so you have to respect our statutory obligation but it doesn't mean you are entitled to anything.
@@oliviamanungo7395 free or not, you are not entitled and no one invited you to SA. If you feel like the statutory tax you pay is too much, stay in your hellhole. We never asked for your taxes. Your taxes are not a piggy bank to access goverment hospitals, schools etc. Moreover you were supposed to have a medical insurance if you go legally and by the book. Don't be delusional that your taxes in any form mean you are entitled. You go to UAE, US, UK etc you pay statutory airport taxes and that doesn't mean you are entitled to live inside the airport.
@@oliviamanungo7395 We don't care. Those who fail to obtain legal documentation they must just go home please. Home is where the heart is.
I ask the people who hired Simba to replace him and withdraw the case.
Simba comes off as someone who is not in touch with the plight of Zimbabwe immigrants and has this sense of entitlement which makes us all seem as being ungrateful.
How can he say he is "dismayed by the decision" (0:47) that is not how you engage. You are a disgrace Simba, withdraw that case and apologize
It is also important that we fix our own country. The south africans have been kind to us for a long time.
Salute.
Thank you. 🙏
@simbachitando I had never seen this interview, interesting. You stood your ground. Brave.
They're too comfortable in South Africa with attitude
Agree
Zimbabwe has to deport SA, also
Miliions of North Eastern , North Western, Central African, and and and the list goes on and on!!
Brilliant Nhlanhla and well said
If this lawyer was as smart as he pretend to be, he would fix problems in Zimbabwe, not in S.A
Bravo Nhlanhla 👏👏keep it up
Living in South Africa was viewed as a failure when we were young, 😢
We are even prepared to help Zimbabweans fix their country it is them who are reluctant. so therefore they shouldn't blame SA when it stops these permits, we are also struggling. Danko nhlahla we are led.
When mbeki was supposed to have said the truth about the situation in zim rwgarding the 2008 election,he knew that south africa was ready to accomodate as many zimbabweans as they can,when montlante and his commision of enquiry got the chance to resolve things in zim back in 2018,they lied to the world again about the situation in zim,one thing for sure,south african leaders know the potential that zimbabwe has once it has the leaders that can put the interest of the people at heart,so they do all they can to making sure that zimbabwe will never have the freedom it deserves,i wonder why UN is still putting so much trust in south africa to dialogue the political dilema in zim,ANC supports 100% the current situation in zim,so south africans please just know this that,as long as you dont tell your government whenever they are sent to advocate in zim to do the right thing,as long as they go on a mission to meet and dine with a handful of dictators,we will always continue to be your day to day neighbours zisohlala sonke and we will always say sibanye ,if you are interested in making zim a better nation,you should tell the world the truth and not to lie and say that zimbabwe is so peaceful,there are no abductions,not terrorising of people by the state regime because some of you owns businesses there,you should respect the will of the zimbabweans when they vote,you should know that zimbabweans needs change,and wants we have that,trust me 12 months will be nothing and before that we will be gone and all those houses that you build to make money with us will be empty as no south african can rent for another south african,proven point,so please before anything else tell your leaders that zimbabweans dont need their help if they cant tell the truth about zim whenever they are send by either UN or EU,AU etc
@@nesbertonealchinyoka7161 even now you re still using that old mbeki excuse? We cant help zim if it is not willing to help itself.
Zim problems can only be solved by Zimbabweans.
As a Zimbabwean, Simba is such a disgrace
As a South African, I think you need Simba and other Zimbabwean professionals around the world to come together to challenge current ZW government.
I think God wants us to go home by forsee
The sad thing is that animals are more free than humans. Everyone eats to make the whole body healthy, however the continent is divided into 54 different part something that just will not work. The eyes work for the benefit of the whole body the legs do the same the mouth the lungs not a single one works for itself. Follow example from the creator and things will get better. Human are here to take care of the land ,trees, Animals and the weak. That is their duty and they constantly run away from it.
The idea of taking the SA government was dumb. This is where we should have humbled ourselves and negotiated. Nhlanhla makes sense. How would you come into one's house, they accommodate you, then you take them to court for not buying you clothes? Zimbabweans on ZEP should stop being entitled although the variant point is a misfit.
Half of people on that permit don't know Simba.
That boy is gonna complicate things for his countrymen resident in SA..
South Africa's economy will not survive without Zimbabweans, I hope these politicians knows what they are doing
South Africans fought against apartheid government.... Zimbabweans must also fight against their government
The Zim guy seems to think the two countries (SA and Zim) are on equal footing regards economy, tourism etc? If that is so why are there not 2 million South Africans living in Zim? Seems to me Zim is reliant on SA and SA is not reliant on Zim.
Zimbabwe maybe South Africa's biggest trading partner. The gentleman made a valid point on that part but I think he must also know there's a distinctive difference between a trading partner and a person who comes into the country and expect the laws of the hosting country to bend backward for them. Let's just follow the rules and the laws of other countries.
50% of Zim industries moved to SA bringing jobs to SA no wonder everyone followed. Hope it stabilise in Zim and Investors go back there creating jobs that side.
This is the group that demanded citizenship, wow!
What a wow!
Nhlahla !!! Nhlahla!!!! Is our saviour let's support him 🙋
As a Zimbabwean living abroad, it's amazing how African way of thinking differs sharply to other regions of the world, Zanu pf regime under both Mugabe and Mnangagwa committed a genocide in the 1980s killing over 40 000 people, they then began to mismanage and loot the country of $ billions , oppressed any opposition or media, oppressed minority groups, finally destroyed the whole economy forcing millions into poverty and to emigrate to other countries, yet some people in Africa give them space and regard them as heroes.
At this rate of thinking, Africa might never catch up to the rest of the world.
Well people are different. Regions differ. We dont have to be the same. I am not condoning corruption and looting
Well said.
I stopped reading your comment when you exaggerated and said 40 000 people. The correct estimate is between 3000 - 6000 Einstein
@@h.m.5724 He is a Zimbabwean living overseas , sometimes we lose touch 😆 🤣
Things went bad later but Mugabe actually did his best to educate us and give us the potential to be appreciated abroad. He was a good leader in the first twenty years. so stop blaming him for all our problems
These “Zim activists “ are delusional in my opinion, South Africa’s progress will not happen without Zim , actually South Africa can press ahead unhindered without Zim, we’ve got ocean and harbours that Zim doesn’t have so what’s this gentleman talk about SMH=🚮
Yes. Zim need South Africa more then South Africa need Zim
Go to beitbridge border and see if the goods entering in and out of south africa are passing through any ocean and Harbour last time I checked there is no ocean and harbor at Beitbridge
@@oliviamanungo7395 my man if that’s level of thinking you bring forth I’m not sure if I wanna dignify your utterances with a response
Us w're educated than any other country in Africa so don't shiy wid things of God shy wid yuh things man yuh hve done
I just feel for those 250 000 Zimbabwe's with permits because they are the people who were legal in South Africa what about millions of Zimbambweans who are here using fake South African Id's
Removing the permits will increase all the problems, increase in illegal immigrants , increasing health risks and escalating the pandemic in South. It becomes a serious health hazard if illegal immigrants can not access public health services and houses and worse if they are unemployed . It also increases modern slavery which I'm sure South Africa is a signatory to the prevention of modern slavery if Zimbabweans work illegally in South Africa. My point is giving them permits and permanent residency to work freely will not just eradicate the issues I raised above , but will encourage free movement where Zimbabwean are free to return home. If they are illegal most will definitely remain in South Africa or underground. If an individual holds a permit he has better choices and options where he or she will definitely go home. Zimbabweans have been very welcoming to South Africa in the apartheid era, they received benefits as refugees on Zim soil no one complained. Zim was bombed ..remember the Avondale shopping centre bombing and others simply because Zimbabwe was looking after South African refugees..no one complained. South Africans in Zimbabwe gained a lot , worked, their children got the best education in Zimbabwe and still they returned home freely to South Africa simply because they had permits or refugees. No issues. Did anyone know when Apatheid who end at that time no. When things got better they returned home. Remember South African apartheid took longer than the Zimbabwean liberation. Yes Zimbabweans have their issues at home , it is just a matter of time just as South Africans went through decades of different dimensions of Apatheid governments to their liberation. South Africa does not exist in a bubble...if a gigantic tsunami floods South Africa not all South Africans will afford to fly to the UK or other Western Countries, the majority will definitely heard north to Zimbabwe and other neighbouring nations.Denying those permits is totally in violation of fundamental human rights which South Africa claims to uphold. It will even worsen the humanitarian crisis which may or has began happening due to the pandemic, serious health risk not only to foreigners but also spreading to South Africans if they are no better options to afford Zimbabweans access to work, better social housing ,health services and general livelihood.
Let's wait and see how they will deal with that but what know from experience is police officers and home affairs officers are going to be rich becz of corruption, I rest my case here. Every official would die to work along Beitbridge boarder post and the route to Jobuk route.
No policy will work in an environment of corruption..Foreigners are now part n parcel of SA society..Attempting to eject them out all at once will have seismic socio-economic side-effects.. There are some businesses which will simply close down if that were to happen.
from today I have totally lost respect for Zimbabweans since this guy doesn't want to fix his country at all he's more vicious he even imposed sanctions on South Africam products
So you are going to lose respect for a whole population because of one person who probably doesn’t represent the views of the majority. 🤔🤔🤔😮😮
@@ndanatseyichibanda9082 So you going to call the whole of SA xenophobic just because we want our citizens to be put first?
Those who can get papers can stay those who can not must go, pple must not attack each other n guys e other reasons why south Africans prefer employn foreigners not of small wages thgh in some cases yes its cause of e atttakes, let's nt spoil it for all. U dnt feel safe in ur own home to employ ur fellow citizen 😢
It’s sad that SA people think Zimbabwe is the problem in their mess!
I wish all Zimbabweans could come back and we see what will happen
No, stop it already! When someone does you good, you do not repay them with evil: even the Bible is clear about that, infact it says by so doing: evil will not depart your house.
SA's root problem is corruption. Zimbabweans can all go but the problems facing SA won't go with them. Another thing that few seem to realize: Foreigners have become part n parcel of SAn society and forcing them out en masse will have serious ramifications..
Nhlanlha lux plz ask that zimbabwean guy why can't they go back 2 their country & fix their problems
The only problem I have with this is giving all those guys the free permits and they provide labour for 10 years + then just tell them to make a plan afterwards that just sounds just like slavery
The permits were not free, they paid just as you would for other permits.
Slavery how? We provided you with opportunity that your government failed to provide on its own people. We paid you salaries higher than in your own country for the same job. We afforded you with a high quality of life and this is how you repay us??. Slavery?? YOU UNGRATEFUL SON OF A !#@ 😡😡😡
We love Zimbabweans they are our brothers, however the way things are going are unsustainable. South Africans need to hold hands with Zimbabwe to fix what’s wrong with both countries.
"Some of the electricity comes from Lesotho, a foreign country." I like that.
That's the kind of business we should be doing with neighboring countries, not exchanging people.
Mr Lawyer we are two sovereign states. We are not merged. Shut up.
Why these people thy don't want to go home they is no better place than home go home Zimbabweans plz 🤣🤣🤣✋🤣😂
It's not they are refusing , they have settled for a long time , plans and life is there .its not only Zim in SA , the problem is SA views Blacks as only foreigners , whites are SA residents
@@gchimaks4404 total rubbish. There are SA working in the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc for over 10yrs. Their contracts are renewed every year and they don't have this entitlement Zimbabweans have. You are sent by your governments to get citizenship so as to later work for our government entities and spy on SA government for Zimbabwe government. You are pathetic set of people. Go home. We are not one. We are not relatives. We are not linked. The more you push yourselves into us,the more we despise you. Moreover he wants waitresses, burger flippers, domestic worker to get citizenship. They knew from the onset they do not qualify for any of the visas prescribed by the Act.
@@WNdaba I don't leave in SA Bro , I don't even want to stay there , i saw video of SA people burning people alive , can you do that to white people , u hate you skin Bro , al
@@gchimaks4404 thank goodness you don't live in SA, soo you are in no moral position to comment about things that don't concern you. Anyone who feels their lives are in danger should go to where it's safer. The funny part is the same people who claim they are unsafe, keep on crossing into SA and continue staying despite the fact that theirs lives are threatened..
@@gchimaks4404 Not everything is about race .
Simba should tell his father, Wnston Chitonda , Zim Minister of Mining that RSA cannot do any further for his compatriots. While at it, as the chairperson of the Zanu pf Sandron branch...that Zim problems cannot be outsourced to 3rd parties anymore
I just have a simple question to the reasonable minded people and be honesty please.... Do you think if SA gvt remove all Zimbabweans back to their home, SA economy will be at a good state again?????? 🤔
Unfortunately, WISDOM doesn't stay where anger, hatret, jealousy and ignorance is function more.
That's a point to ponder... I don't think people are especially concerned about that... I. Love your way of thinking
There will be employment for our people
Let's go back home and rebuild our nation.
Yes its fair..Zim to fix their mess and we are tired of them stealing
We not going anywhere, we will continue to steal your jobs till ANC stops helping zanu rig
What arrogance yoooo guys. It's like the camel story. So eloquent, Zim needs that eloquent speaking guys. Pls just go we will see who will buy from us. It will he our problem not yours. Worry abt your own hle, pleaaaase!!!!!
It's only 180,000 permit holders ,these don't have a huge impact on jobs because most actually ru their own companies.In terms of resources they use private services mostly.
Mr Chitando is so incorrect in almost all of his points and statements;
- Most South African water and electricity comes from South Africa, only a small percent is bought from other countries.
- South African economy is not tied to Zimbabwe, when the economy collapsed in Zimbabwe that didn't affect South Africa. South African economy can progress independent of Zimbabwe, however its always good for us to work together and build each other up.
- South Africa's biggest trade partners ('customers') is China, UK, USA, Germany and many other African and European countries. Not doing business with Zimbabwe won't affect South Africa that much, so please stop making those treats, we are not trying to break ties with Zimbabwe we are simply saying fix your home land, Zimbabwe is a very beautiful country. Zimbabwe will rise again
Tht number of pple was having permit its nothing compared without so I dnt cee how it Wil work
Even before 🇿🇼 came to south africa their economy was the best,that's the reason why we went there in the first place.so I disagree with my fellow man who is saying the without 🇿🇼 South africa will be nothing.it was there even before we went there and it had the best economy.we as Zimbabweans we're using the power and fire at the wrong place nomatter how we can try to sweet talk ourselves. This fire and power it needs to be taken over the boarder.not in someone home.
As a South African, the problem is not Africa but Europe. Southern Africans and other African countries we are one. Open your eyes and deal with the elephant in the house.
We are not one but different country in Africa.
kazi kwakhala nyonini kuwe mzonsundu kutheni inzondo engaka. The hatrage is so deep towards each other. This zimbabwean permits issue is a tool used by politicians to divert your attention by the time you are tired of this foreign issue they'll have find something to distract you again. So they keep you away from holding them into account, votes were done now can they start delivering their promises nope they push you to something to keep them going until another election.
We will always sympathies we our brethren. But Simba's reasoning is weak because it fails to deal with the core issue. This permit and that permit is the same permit. Also, we can trade with our brethren across the lines. Asking you to go home is not saying that we dislike you. We love you deeply but you must go home.
Let Zimbabweans stop buying SA goods. Come what may come. We have had enough. Nhlanhla tried, but failed to state intrinsic points ranging from unemployment, the fact that the ZEP holders majority are not scarce skills, crime rate- ( police:citizen ratio ), health- ( nurse:patient ratio ), education ( teacher: student ratio)
Also the fact that the permits were clear in terms of the end dates and the fact that they cannot be renewed and not a pathway to citizenship. So there was no expectation created by the government.
I guess one gets emotional and they forget the points they prepared.
why
Where will you get goods after stopping buying goods from South Africa 🇿🇦 Mr intrinsic ,no Where ,your government is doing nothing ,leave Nhlanhla lux Dlamini alone.,go and tell Zimbos. Youths to do like Nhlanhla lux , fix Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 Zim people ,fix your country .
@@dorothythoane6957 awufunde kahle sisi..I am a South African mina and #PutSouthAfricansFirst member.
Simba you are smart enough that's why you are so called lawyer