Pc engine manages to make the smoke and destruction effects look like they're sprite scaled. Not like the megadrive couldn't do that but like Why didn't it
One of the 1st games made. If it had been made a few years later, I'm sure it'd have more effects like you say. Coders were just getting to grips to what was possible.
I like them both. I find PC Engine closer to the arcade - player sprite's walking animation - tighter AI that really keeps you on your toes - the jump physics, just like the arcade, there is a slight delay before actually jumping off the ground. Jumping is instantaneous on the Genesis. You can't use Genesis/Mega Drive tactics on the PC Engine. It forces you to rethink and change up your strategy.
Funny that the PC-Engine version did not have the voice samples when it technically had more advanced sampling support (it has polyphonic samples even).
Para mim, a versao do PC Engine não fez feio... mas o do Mega Drive é sensacional. Mais um game que envelheceu bem e que continua sendo legal (apesar de ser curto).
In my opinion Turbografx ... better animations and atmosphere graphic sega... but the gameplay much better on PC ENGINE, if only I knew that this amazing machine was exist, I was not going to get a Mega Drive
@@enricomazzarellosimracing6502 The PC-Engine port has more and better animations in game, with the transformation cinema aside, More colors too on the enemies too
@@txray3409 i wish i discovered this machine at her own time... i really never loved Megadrive ( snes even worse, i hated Nintendo of that period , changing every cabinet conversion as Final Fight ) beside when i bought a 32X, because the horrible colours and flat atmosphere ( 32X, was actually different, i loved 32X for the same reason, amazing colours and also amazing atmosphere in the conversions from cabinets ), for me PC Engine, was the perfect machine, even if less powerfull... but most of the coin-op conversion for PC-Engine, were just what can be expected from a gamer of my kind at that period...
the pc engine has sprites that better resemble the arcade and animation the genesis left out. like the scaled body parts flying was a cool effect the arcade had. boulders in level 2. the backgrounds look better on the genesis tho. i think i would rather play the turbo version cause it seems to be harder on regular mood. genesis was too easy compared to the arcade!
The PCE version was mostly harder because you only have two buttons to work with and had to press UP to jump. Extremely awkward and hard to get used to. The game was designed as a 3 button gameplay showcase.
@@Prizrak-hv6qk I like the aspect of Up to jump actually. It's not like they needed to toggle weapons or use a finisher move, it's a simple side scrolling game.
The PC Engine is the closer to arcade port. They changed up the MD port, quite a bit, for the Genesis, “altering” it’s gameplay and improving it over the arcade. So if you want the arcade experience on a console, the pc engine is much closer to the original. The Genesis is the best playing version, and has nice scrolling effects added to it, as well.
Both PC Engine versions (there's also a CD version) were made by NEC Avenue. But yeah, they are a bit weak especially considering their release date while the Mega Drive version even as a launch title already provide higher standards with digit speech, higher resolution, bigger sprites and added parallax scrollings.
Lo único que le me gusta más de la pc-engine es que cuando muere un enemigo es más parecido al arcade,por lo demás gana la mega Drive,aunque la comparación es un poco injusta,ya que la pc-engine es de 8 bits, aunque tenga un chip gráfico de 16 bits
The PC Engine supposedly has a higher color count than Sega, so it's weird to see that most their games don't look nearly as good (except Dracula X, which was a CD title) as Genesis games.
Why is it weird? On-screen colors is just one aspect of the graphics. TG-16 had the same 512 color palette but a lot more on-screen colors and larger max sprite size. At the same time, the Genesis had more scrolling planes, higher max sprite count, more sprites per line, etc. Plus, its brisk CPU config (very capable 16-bit CPU + a separate 8-bit Z80 for sound) allowed skilled devs to do many extra effects in software, which is why many of the best Genesis games go far beyond the baseline graphics hardware specs. Even the 64 color barrier was broken by games like Ranger X and Toy Story. Panorama Cotton in particular, goes way beyond the Genesis graphics specs using all that CPU power to produce a super-colorful, smooth, software sprite and background scaling-based 3D game which almost looks like something from the 32-bit era.
I played this for a solid year in the arcades before playing it on Genesis. Here's my take: PC Engine Pros: Better zombies and zombie deaths. More vibrant color palate. More faithful rendering of Nef. Sega Pros: Everything else. Winner=Sega.
Genesis version here. The main problem with the PCE version is that it controls like s**t. Even the CD version still controls like s**t. Fixing the controls and adding a few graphical tweaks would have made a lot of difference.
The Mega Drive port, even as a *very* early release (almost a launch title), is better than both PC Engine HuCard and CD ports despite the fact that the latters were released 2 years after the PC Engine launch which speaks volume about the quality that Sega provided right from the start with their newly released console! See also Golden Axe, Daimakaimura (a.k.a. Ghouls 'n Ghosts) or Tatsujin (a.k.a. Truxton) for more kickass early Mega Drive ports!
SuperHyphyOne Yep but in US, as the Sega Genesis, but the system was already released in Japan as the Mega Drive in october 1988 & Altered Beast came out only 1 month later on it.
And forgotten worlds is nearly arcade perfect.on turbo but not genesis also turbod street fighter 2 with 512 colors actually bested genesis in many ways
Em se tratando de conversão do Arcade, Mega Drive ganha. Mas o PC Engine tem efeitos mais detalhados nas mortes e cores dos inimigos mais fieis ao original, assim como sprites maiores (os lobos estão idênticos ao arcade). Mas em contra ponto, parece que tudo esta meio ''achatado'' e falta quadros de animação, e no mega drive, a proporção esta correta!! Ponto pro mega em mais este embate!!!
No really surprising because that "bit" stuff is actually pretty meaningless. While the PC-Engine's CPU was technically "8-bit", the graphics hardware went far beyond the NES and Master System and in some aspects bested both the Genesis and SNES.
Mega Drive wins. Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Columns, Outrun... Sega arcade games are often better on Mega Drive, which is expected. edit: I also prefer Gain Ground on Mega Drive, PC Engine version feels cramped and lacks 2 players option.
OutRun is better on Mega Drive, check the VCDECIDE video about it! :) And Shinobi on PC Engine is a port of the arcade and a mediocre one at that while the Mega Drive got exclusive Shinobi games and great ones at that. It's like night and day overall the Mega Drive has a much better offering.
i thought pc engine outrun was better than the mega drive. Thunderblade is better on PC Engine as was space harrier Wonderboy 3 is better on PC Engine to
+RETRO GAMING ARCHIVE Outrun is good on PC Engine but overall better on Mega Drive. Thunderblade dunno. Space Harrier aren't the same game but again the Mega Drive has the best version of Space Harrier 2 + the 32X option with an impressive port of the original Space Harrier so it wins by a landslide! Wonderboy 3 however is better on PCE (but mostly due to limited cart size on Mega Drive side, with a bigger one this version would have been better as well).
lol, the Master System version of Shinobi is better than the PC Engine even. They really screwed the pooch on that one. The PCE version is broken. Whoever did some of those Sega ports for the rival console didn't know what they were doing or didn't care. Not any of those games RGA mentioned are better on the PC Engine, in fact worse.
The Mega Drive/Genesis port is better with better presentation, much better audio and, most important, better gameplay. And there's also a PC Engine CD version which is just as mediocre as the HuCard version (it improves the hits detection and bring back the digit voices but on other hand it lacks co-op and doesn't even have CD music. Typical messy PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 stuff: a lot of things required for not that much of results...).
Genesis is the overall winner, but the fact that some of the sprites in the tg 16 version more closely match the arcade version does win it some points.
But why did sega had ported some of their games on the pc engine??? Did they had.a deal with nec or was it because sega didn't had a succeeded console at the time?
Genesis versions better cause it was a launch title turbo cd games were better do to 512 colors faster speed in japan pc engine actually beat sega it peaked with castlevania still amazing to this day
I wanna say that because pc engine is 8-bit it could not morph smoothly into the beast cut scene like sega genesis does. However if the programmers would have been creative they could have went around that by just copying the cut scene from sega genesis version or arcade version by using the cd-rom. Pc engine used the cd-rom just for sound and used the 8-bit processor for music. A bad idea because pc engine sound for music is weak.
A versão do Mega é melhor, mas se levarmos em conta que o processador principal do pc engine é de 8 bits, temos que admitir que fizeram um grande trabalho nele!!
+vida infinita É de 8bits, mas possui o mesmo clock do Mega Drive nele. E o chip gráfico é de 16 bits com um clock grande para um console doméstico no ano em que foi lançado. O que ajuda mais o Mega mesmo é que a programação foi mais bem feita nele. O PC Engine tinha potencial para fazer muito mais em um jogo simples como Altered Beast.
***** Apesar do clock ser quase igual ao do mega, o barramento (quantidade de bits que podem ser transmitidos ao mesmo tempo) do pc engine ainda é de 8 bits, o que, o limita. Mas concordo com vc sobre a programação do jogo Altered Beast. Poderia ter ficado melhor, vide Street Fighter 2 de pc engine!!
Não creio que limita muito nesse ponto, visto que o PC Engine conseguiu trazer muitos jogos bons e que só seriam rodados em um hardware tão poderoso como o do Mega Drive na época. After Burner, R-Type, Soldier Blade, o próprio Shinobi entre outros são jogos que aproveitam muito do potencial gráfico e de cpu do videogame. Apesar de os melhores títulos do videogame terem sido lançados em CD, o PC Engine mostra que precisava apenas de uma equipe competente para programar no console.
Sim, programação é tudo. Mas, existe uma diferença enorme em um jogo muito bem programado para um barramento 8 bits e um jogo muito bem programado para um barramento de 16. É só comparar o shinobi de pc engine e super shinobi 3 de mega. Ambos foram bem programados mas diferem em qualidade gráfica entre si. Pois são arquiteturas diferentes, separadas justamente pelo tipo de barramento!
vida infinita são jogos diferentes. Não tem como comparar o Shinobi com o Shinobi 3. Se for ver o Shinobi 3 é mais bem feito que o Shinobi original do Arcade em tudo.
Only thing I see better on PC Engine body parts explode in more of a 3d gets closer to the screen and looks more challenging other than that Genesis wins on everything else closer to the arcade.
Inspite of the enhaned color palette, the TG16 version does not look nor sound as good as the Genesis/MD one. The sprites look fat, short, and stretched out on the TG16 and the sound effects + music sound very 8-bit on the TG16.
Efectivamene como dice nuestro compañero de stephen Queen, aqui gana megadrive, es que los colores la pantalla, la musica , todo esta muy bien equilibrado y como es SEGA pues saben hacerlo en su maquina.
I never u understood ,engine had the same color palette as genesis but could do more colors on screen...it’s always been an anomaly and another boneheaded decision by Sega ...they should have kept the system in for another year and had a larger color palette and more ram for their sound chip ..
One other note that people need to consider with this conversion is it very difficult to port a game to a different Assembly Language everything including the game engines have to be Rewritten. A perfect example to this is out of this world we should all be able to agree that the Super Nintendo is a more capable unit than the Mega Drive but when you see the Super Nintendos port of it it's awful and the Mega Drive is quite accurate other than some downgrading of the graphics but the game play is all there because that game was ported from a Motorola 68k processor on the amiga to sega's 68k processor and Super Nintendos 16 bit version of the 6502.
Umm...no, the Snes is not a more capable machine than the Genesis. The Sega Genesis can emulate every single Mode the Snes does through sheer brute force alone. Everything the Genesis does is through pure bone stock hardware without the need of helper chips. Further, the Motorola 68K microprocessor in the Genesis runs circles around the Snes's. Hell, even the Z-80 co-processor in the Genesis has a higher clock speed. Why do you think indy developers are still making games for the Genesis but have largely left the Snes alone? It has better hardware pure and simple. My God just take a look at Wolfenstein 3D, the fan fix of Street Fighter Champion Edition, Mortal Kombat, and Mortal Kombat 2. Every single one absolutely wipes the floor with their Snes counterparts. The Mortal Kombat fan fix is damn near arcade perfect in visuals and Wolfenstein 3d plays/looks almost as good as the PC port with pure bone stock hardware. You won't find an MMC or FX type chip anywhere in these games. You should also take a look at Thunder Force IV for a store bought game that looks good enough to be a second generation Neo Geo game.
@@Sinn0100 all good examples of great programming but technically the SNES was quite a bit superior in almost everyway clock speeds alone do not determine speed of an operation taking place.
@@jasonmarch1983 Oh I agree that clock speed alone doesn't do it but...it's not just a single processor that we're talking about. When you include the Genesis's second processor and ability to brute force anything the Snes can do without any specialized helper chips things begin to look a bit different. Having said that, the Genesis does have a severe weakness and that is its poor color limit. Even when developers broke the 64+shadow limit it's still less than an Snes. You have to wonder with so many options available to Sega by 1988 why they chose such a limited color pallet? I mean the PC Engine was blowing well passed that in 1987 and was a direct competitor. You would think Sega would have saw this and realized they needed more future proofing. They did this with the 68000 but not the VDP. Strange...
@@Sinn0100 while having less total pallettes than the PCE they both shared the same 9 bit color depth. I was encoding some photos recently for both and you would be surprised the difference was not as great as expected. I being a long time pcengine fan would have died for native parallax scrolling over more colors on screen
@@jasonmarch1983 Speaking of the PC Engine you know what's a damn shame? I was one of those idiots that bought into the TG-16 was inferior and not worth my time line back in 1989-1994. I didn't find out I was dead wrong until the PS1 was long out. The reason I bring this up was it was the lack of parallax scrolling that made me act that way or "confirmed my bias" on the matter. What I didn't know was there were some PC Engine/Core Grafx/TG-16/Super CD ROM ROM that had parallax scrolling. That technical feat was considered very impressive back in 1989-1992. After 1992 it was almost expected with every game. Of course there in stands the problem...graphics do not a good game make. I stopped being a fanboy and began playing everything from that point forward. I have a very stupid question but did you perchance get a PC Engine/Core Grafx/TG-16 mini? I couldn't find the TG-16 so I snagged a Core Grafx Mini and my God man, it is amazing. It is the best, bar none mini ever created. I love my Genesis and Snes Minis' but my Core Grafx stomps their guts out. It has PCE. TG-16, Super CD ROM ROM, and even the holy grail Super Grafx games on it. If you don't have one yet...you have to get one! ;)
Not agree... gameplay is far better on PC ENGINE, I love this console so much, the best atmosphere is always there... look Outrun another Sega franchise, but the atmosphere of the PC ENGINE, was superb...
Sega wins but there are a lot little things that are not the same as arcade. PcEngine maintain that little details like some musics (when the head arises from grave to stole all power balls), some animations, smoke effects or the enemy pieces when you destroy them (with a little zoom like arcade)
Mega Drive easily wins. ... Sega did an excellent job with the 16-Bit hardware they had, because it really was the "best" hardware with the fastest CPU and the most friendly to developers. Graphics and sound are both far better in the Mega Drive version. ... I also think it is interesting that the Genesis versions of both Altered Beast and Golden Axe are better than the Arcade versions, because they "play" so much better than the Arcade versions.
Well of course the MD version is the best version but bear in mind the PC Engine system is still an 8 bit at heart?! I think NEC's version is alright and way better than the SMS version as well etc.
Colours and graphical effects are better on the PCE - like the way the body parts and rocks fly out of the screen - unlike megadrives weaker explosion effect. Many sprites bigger on the PCE - like the two headed wolves - they look like little wild boar on the MD version. Also the arcade features no layered scrolling - so to me the PCE is more Arcade perfect overall.
Some details are better on PC Engine but the Mega Drive version looks better overall, almost like next gen with its higher resolution, fullscreen, bigger sprites and even added parallax. Also PC Engine lacks digit speech and plays poorly while Mega Drive plays like a dream. And all this despite the fact that it was a very early Mega Drive game vs a game released 2 years after the PC Engine launch so it's pretty revealing as a later Mega Drive port with more knowledge of the hardware + bigger cart size would have been even better :D
Yohko M. Nope - most sprites are way bigger on the PCE and definitely way more colourful, most of the enemy player animation is more arcade like on pce also - even the end of level baddie pre transform "sprite scale effect" are only on PCE & Arcade. Explosion clouds more like arcade on pce - wolves more like arcade on pce - power up pods more like arcade on pce - incidental details like boulders only on PCE - all those are missing from MD version. Ok, the background graphics have layers on MD - but Arcade did not have them lol. Ok regards the foreground grass and speech missing - but imo the rest looks better on pce . Ateotd it plays same on the PCE and MD. PCE version leaves a feeling if like a slightly larger Card would have been used it would have clearly beaten the MD version by a mile ;-)
So wrong and a 'fanboy' because you disagree... the facts I stated are the reason I think the PCE port is maybe a little better in some ways than the MD and less in others. I'm no fanboy as I own and rate many SFC and MD games highly and many are just as good if not better than the best PCE games, games like Axelay on SFC are awesome. Golden Axe on MD is another awesome title compared to the rubbish PCE CDRom2 port - the PCE hardware has its pro's and cons like any other hardware. But of course yes you do use some nice logic there regards me being a fanboy eh ;-) lol
Pc engine, a de bien meilleur effet zoom, rotation , fumée , déformation etc...la Megadrive n'a aucun effets de se genres, màis la Megadrive a de plus jolis décors et couleurs, màis c'est un peu logique, la NEC c'est une console classée 8bits, contre une true 16bits, Je n'ose pas imaginez si NEC aurais fait une vraie 16bits......je suis sur qu'il aurait mi de le 3D temps réel sur leurs 16bits NEC si Better
Y'a pas de rotation sur PC Engine et les zooms c'est pas du vrai zoom mais du pre-rendered, bien foutu pour les bosses par contre pour les mobs y'a aucune tentative de scaling, c'est juste une seule frame volontairement grossie. Et la version Mega Drive a aussi la fumée lors de la transformation des bosses. Après la version MD tourne en + haute résolution, en plein écran et a des parallax d'ajoutés, la version PC Engine est larguée dans l'ensemble. Et côté son idem, sur PC Engine y'a même pas de voix et la ziq fait plutôt penser à une NES. Et pour finir la PC Engine coûtait déjà aussi cher que ses concurrentes malgré qu'elle offrait moins de possibilités donc si NEC avaient fait une "true 16-bit" et en + avec de la 3D comme tu dis, ça aurait été trop cher et leur console se serait fait encore + distancer que ça n'a déjà été le cas. Regarde la Supergrafx, c'est une PC Engine avec juste quelques améliorations côté GPU et malgré ça elle coûtait nettement + cher qu'une MD ou qu'une SNES.
Parallax Craze bien sur, mais excuse moi de ma non connaissance du monde vidéos ludiques, mais les rotation, zoom, deformation, tous ceci existe sur nec, mais doit être programmé ( à la main , à l'ancienne) mais la petite est bien capable de faire de petite prouesse , il faut juste voir Star Parodia, qui est une démo technique plus que Shoot, mais bon comme parodius c'est fort sympathique à jouer même si le Challenge n'y est pas , si tu regarde la version de Street fighter 2 sur MD et sur Nec, je suis désolé mais la version Nec doit être sensiblement meilleure, et la petite savait aussi faire dès choses que la Snes avait bien du mal à faire. Et si elle était aussi cher, c'est juste à cause d'une chose, l'import, et pardonne moi du peu, mais une Nes coutait très cher à l'époque, une Snes aussi ( ayant acheté une Nes à sa sortie avec Rob, je peut te l'assurer, elle coûtait bien plus que la mini nes sur ebay.....) d'ailleurs si je compare le Prix de la ps2 en mars 2000 en import ( 1800 euro ) et le Prix d'une PC engine ....la PC engine était bien moins cher . D'ailleurs le Prix de N64 import était aussi plus cher qu'une CoreGrafX et son system CD ( voir le même prix je cois 2990FF ) La Nec est souvent comparée à la Dreamcast, trop en avance sur sont temps, comparé au autres constructeur ( mettre des CD sur une console en fin des années 80 , quelle idée pour une console grand public au Japon ). Enfin si Hudson aurait remplacer Big N, il n'y aurait jamais eut cette engouement pour le JV, pas de motion contrôle à la con, et au moins si il avait ressorti une Mini nec, il aurait fait sa correctement
@@parallaxcraze958 Graphiquement la version Megadrive est au dessous de la PC Engine. Il suffit d'avoir les 2 consoles, voir mettre 2 émulateurs cote à cote. Oui, effectivement il ont rajouté un parallax qui n'était pas présent dans la version arcade sur la Megadrive, mais chaque fois que tu appuis sur un bouton pour lancer un coup, le jeu ralenti même sans ennemi à l'écran (pas sur PCE). Pour la musique ça se discute aussi. Ensuite tu veux parler de hardware mais encore faudrait que tu saches ce qu'est un adressage. Donc c'est bien beau de comparer un jeu dont la vidéo est redimensionnée , réencodé et donc altérée et peut laisser penser que la version Mégadrive à plein de couleurs, dans la vraie vie il n'en est rien. La version Megadrive est pauvre et inferieure à la PCE. A noter qu'avant de rediger ce message j'ai lancer les 2 versions sur le materiel original, pas sur des émulateurs à 2 francs. Ton profil est bourré de video Megadrive donc on a aussi compris que t'étais un fanboy.
+edec 16 The PC Engine looks AND sound 8-bit with poor music/sound effects and doesn't even have the digit voices. Also, even worse, it plays like crap! And the PC Engine CD port is not better since it lacks co-op and doesn't even have CD music lol. The PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 is overrated anyway, it's a good system but that's it, it has so many issues/limitations: only one controller port; no light gun support; no online support; no support for a second background layer; etc. and despite all these things it was slightly more expansive than the Mega Drive/Genesis back then while Sega's console has MUCH more to offer! Also the TurboGrafx-16 only output RF and needs a TurboBooster just to output composite while the Genesis natively output RGB and a fantastic quality at that.
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Pc engine manages to make the smoke and destruction effects look like they're sprite scaled. Not like the megadrive couldn't do that but like
Why didn't it
One of the 1st games made. If it had been made a few years later, I'm sure it'd have more effects like you say. Coders were just getting to grips to what was possible.
I like them both. I find PC Engine closer to the arcade
- player sprite's walking animation
- tighter AI that really keeps you on your toes
- the jump physics, just like the arcade, there is a slight delay before actually jumping off the ground. Jumping is instantaneous on the Genesis.
You can't use Genesis/Mega Drive tactics on the PC Engine. It forces you to rethink and change up your strategy.
Funny that the PC-Engine version did not have the voice samples when it technically had more advanced sampling support (it has polyphonic samples even).
They probably weren't thinking of that at the time
The CD version has the voice samples.
Para mim, a versao do PC Engine não fez feio... mas o do Mega Drive é sensacional. Mais um game que envelheceu bem e que continua sendo legal (apesar de ser curto).
The PC-Engine CD-Rom release of Altered Beast has the sound effects from the coin-op.
World of Retro Gameplay but the music sucks!!!
Segaaaaaaaa! 😻
Very close again. i like the PCE trees, but the MD's grass layer is very nice.
Sega easily, but this was one of their marque titles
In my opinion Turbografx ... better animations and atmosphere graphic sega... but the gameplay much better on PC ENGINE, if only I knew that this amazing machine was exist, I was not going to get a Mega Drive
@@enricomazzarellosimracing6502 The PC-Engine port has more and better animations in game, with the transformation cinema aside, More colors too on the enemies too
@@txray3409 i wish i discovered this machine at her own time... i really never loved Megadrive ( snes even worse, i hated Nintendo of that period , changing every cabinet conversion as Final Fight ) beside when i bought a 32X, because the horrible colours and flat atmosphere ( 32X, was actually different, i loved 32X for the same reason, amazing colours and also amazing atmosphere in the conversions from cabinets ), for me PC Engine, was the perfect machine, even if less powerfull... but most of the coin-op conversion for PC-Engine, were just what can be expected from a gamer of my kind at that period...
@Neko Koshaichi better graphic, and above all, a more authentic atmosphere. .. is incredible, which kind of miracles came out from this machine
the pc engine has sprites that better resemble the arcade and animation the genesis left out. like the scaled body parts flying was a cool effect the arcade had. boulders in level 2. the backgrounds look better on the genesis tho. i think i would rather play the turbo version cause it seems to be harder on regular mood. genesis was too easy compared to the arcade!
The PCE version was mostly harder because you only have two buttons to work with and had to press UP to jump. Extremely awkward and hard to get used to. The game was designed as a 3 button gameplay showcase.
@@Prizrak-hv6qk oh geez. i didnt know that :r
@@Prizrak-hv6qk I like the aspect of Up to jump actually. It's not like they needed to toggle weapons or use a finisher move, it's a simple side scrolling game.
Genesis, larger sprites, better animation, sound, and scrolling. The PCE has more color, some cool detail, mostly Genesis
The PC Engine is the closer to arcade port. They changed up the MD port, quite a bit, for the Genesis, “altering” it’s gameplay and improving it over the arcade. So if you want the arcade experience on a console, the pc engine is much closer to the original. The Genesis is the best playing version, and has nice scrolling effects added to it, as well.
interessante como conseguiram colocar vozes tão limpas no mega nesse jogo
A versão do Mega Drive ganha de lavada kkk
1:28
That is the most realistic synthesized scream I've ever heard.
PC Engine's 8bit-ness shows through in this port. Either that or Sega made a bad version on purpose ;)
Both PC Engine versions (there's also a CD version) were made by NEC Avenue. But yeah, they are a bit weak especially considering their release date while the Mega Drive version even as a launch title already provide higher standards with digit speech, higher resolution, bigger sprites and added parallax scrollings.
NEC AV converted this and its closer than the MD version in many respects - see my other comments...
The PCE is a great machine though!
As if SEGA would have made it, duh. Fuck sake....
@@TheKayliedGamerChannel-TH-cam How is it better?
Lo único que le me gusta más de la pc-engine es que cuando muere un enemigo es más parecido al arcade,por lo demás gana la mega Drive,aunque la comparación es un poco injusta,ya que la pc-engine es de 8 bits, aunque tenga un chip gráfico de 16 bits
The PC Engine supposedly has a higher color count than Sega, so it's weird to see that most their games don't look nearly as good (except Dracula X, which was a CD title) as Genesis games.
Why is it weird? On-screen colors is just one aspect of the graphics. TG-16 had the same 512 color palette but a lot more on-screen colors and larger max sprite size. At the same time, the Genesis had more scrolling planes, higher max sprite count, more sprites per line, etc. Plus, its brisk CPU config (very capable 16-bit CPU + a separate 8-bit Z80 for sound) allowed skilled devs to do many extra effects in software, which is why many of the best Genesis games go far beyond the baseline graphics hardware specs. Even the 64 color barrier was broken by games like Ranger X and Toy Story. Panorama Cotton in particular, goes way beyond the Genesis graphics specs using all that CPU power to produce a super-colorful, smooth, software sprite and background scaling-based 3D game which almost looks like something from the 32-bit era.
I played this for a solid year in the arcades before playing it on Genesis. Here's my take:
PC Engine Pros: Better zombies and zombie deaths. More vibrant color palate. More faithful rendering of Nef.
Sega Pros: Everything else.
Winner=Sega.
Mega Drive. Not even a contest.
Genesis version here. The main problem with the PCE version is that it controls like s**t. Even the CD version still controls like s**t. Fixing the controls and adding a few graphical tweaks would have made a lot of difference.
While every one is screaming sega port, I 'd noticed the better colours and zombies bursting at the screen in 3-d , good job Nec !
The Mega Drive port, even as a *very* early release (almost a launch title), is better than both PC Engine HuCard and CD ports despite the fact that the latters were released 2 years after the PC Engine launch which speaks volume about the quality that Sega provided right from the start with their newly released console! See also Golden Axe, Daimakaimura (a.k.a. Ghouls 'n Ghosts) or Tatsujin (a.k.a. Truxton) for more kickass early Mega Drive ports!
psyance it was the original pack-in game when the Genesis was first released.
SuperHyphyOne
Yep but in US, as the Sega Genesis, but the system was already released in Japan as the Mega Drive in october 1988 & Altered Beast came out only 1 month later on it.
psyance indeed good port for such an early release. PC Engine version pales in comparison...
It was a launch title and they worked on it for months other games look better on turbo it just depends
And forgotten worlds is nearly arcade perfect.on turbo but not genesis also turbod street fighter 2 with 512 colors actually bested genesis in many ways
Em se tratando de conversão do Arcade, Mega Drive ganha. Mas o PC Engine tem efeitos mais detalhados nas mortes e cores dos inimigos mais fieis ao original, assim como sprites maiores (os lobos estão idênticos ao arcade). Mas em contra ponto, parece que tudo esta meio ''achatado'' e falta quadros de animação, e no mega drive, a proporção esta correta!! Ponto pro mega em mais este embate!!!
Genesis is the winner no doubt.
Before i even clicked on the vid i was like.. this is a ssssslaughter lol. Genesis W
thats kinda surprising how close they are because the Pc-Engine is just a 8-bit system where the Mega-drives been a 16-bit system
iPone Punker no pc engein is 16 bit
PC Engine is 8 bit. It has 2 8-bit Registers and a single 16-bit Thread.
iPone Punker probably because PC engine graphics processor is 16-bit
No really surprising because that "bit" stuff is actually pretty meaningless. While the PC-Engine's CPU was technically "8-bit", the graphics hardware went far beyond the NES and Master System and in some aspects bested both the Genesis and SNES.
On the PCEngine version stage 1 the gardener cave and pulled al the weeds 😆
Chad Mulligan less foliage
Mega Drive wins. Altered Beast, Golden Axe, Columns, Outrun... Sega arcade games are often better on Mega Drive, which is expected.
edit: I also prefer Gain Ground on Mega Drive, PC Engine version feels cramped and lacks 2 players option.
outrun was better on the pc engine i reckon, shinobi on pc engine is more faithful to the arcade than the megadrive
OutRun is better on Mega Drive, check the VCDECIDE video about it! :)
And Shinobi on PC Engine is a port of the arcade and a mediocre one at that while the Mega Drive got exclusive Shinobi games and great ones at that. It's like night and day overall the Mega Drive has a much better offering.
i thought pc engine outrun was better than the mega drive. Thunderblade is better on PC Engine as was space harrier Wonderboy 3 is better on PC Engine to
+RETRO GAMING ARCHIVE
Outrun is good on PC Engine but overall better on Mega Drive. Thunderblade dunno. Space Harrier aren't the same game but again the Mega Drive has the best version of Space Harrier 2 + the 32X option with an impressive port of the original Space Harrier so it wins by a landslide! Wonderboy 3 however is better on PCE (but mostly due to limited cart size on Mega Drive side, with a bigger one this version would have been better as well).
lol, the Master System version of Shinobi is better than the PC Engine even. They really screwed the pooch on that one. The PCE version is broken. Whoever did some of those Sega ports for the rival console didn't know what they were doing or didn't care. Not any of those games RGA mentioned are better on the PC Engine, in fact worse.
The Mega Drive/Genesis port is better with better presentation, much better audio and, most important, better gameplay. And there's also a PC Engine CD version which is just as mediocre as the HuCard version (it improves the hits detection and bring back the digit voices but on other hand it lacks co-op and doesn't even have CD music. Typical messy PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 stuff: a lot of things required for not that much of results...).
They did a better job with the PC Engine port of Altered Beast but I don't know what happened with the Golden Axe port on the PC Engine?
MD for sure.
turbo is an 8 bit system also. with a 16 bit processor . jus sayn.
"Wise from your gwave!!"
MD version is far better, but both pale in comparison to the arcade original.
The ONLY thing that makes the PC Engine version better is that they have sprite scaling. The Geneis/Megadrive version beats it in every way possible.
I like altered beast for the Sega Genesis still play it
Genesis is the overall winner, but the fact that some of the sprites in the tg 16 version more closely match the arcade version does win it some points.
Is that a bullet ricochet sound that I hear when the zombies gib? lmao!
Quem votar na versão de PC engine, ou é pela nostalgia! Ou tem sérios problemas mentais!!
Genesis Wins
No geral o Mega leva, mas gostei de alguns detalhes do PC Engine, como os efeitos dos golpes serem melhores. Não sei opinar sobre a jogabilidade.
Ja joguei meu amigo e acredite. A jogabilidade é ruim mesmo.
But why did sega had ported some of their games on the pc engine???
Did they had.a deal with nec or was it because sega didn't had a succeeded console at the time?
I dunno but, I just prefer how the sprites look in the PC Engine port, but hey, that’s just my opinion.
You like 8 bit
Genesis versions better cause it was a launch title turbo cd games were better do to 512 colors faster speed in japan pc engine actually beat sega it peaked with castlevania still amazing to this day
eu tenho um PC-engine e ele é muito bom^^
Mesmo sendo de 8-bits o port foi muito bem feito.
a versão de PC Engine tem algumas coisas na parte gráfica que são melhores,mas no geral o Mega é melhor.
Pc engine a frente do seu tempo nem vi na época só revistas
I wanna say that because pc engine is 8-bit it could not morph smoothly into the beast cut scene like sega genesis does. However if the programmers would have been creative they could have went around that by just copying the cut scene from sega genesis version or arcade version by using the cd-rom. Pc engine used the cd-rom just for sound and used the 8-bit processor for music. A bad idea because pc engine sound for music is weak.
No it's not weak... just a lot of composers had no idea what they were doing... listen to music from the Soldier Blade and tell me it's weak.
A versão do Mega é melhor, mas se levarmos em conta que o processador principal do pc engine é de 8 bits, temos que admitir que fizeram um grande trabalho nele!!
+vida infinita É de 8bits, mas possui o mesmo clock do Mega Drive nele. E o chip gráfico é de 16 bits com um clock grande para um console doméstico no ano em que foi lançado. O que ajuda mais o Mega mesmo é que a programação foi mais bem feita nele. O PC Engine tinha potencial para fazer muito mais em um jogo simples como Altered Beast.
***** Apesar do clock ser quase igual ao do mega, o barramento (quantidade de bits que podem ser transmitidos ao mesmo tempo) do pc engine ainda é de 8 bits, o que, o limita. Mas concordo com vc sobre a programação do jogo Altered Beast. Poderia ter ficado melhor, vide Street Fighter 2 de pc engine!!
Não creio que limita muito nesse ponto, visto que o PC Engine conseguiu trazer muitos jogos bons e que só seriam rodados em um hardware tão poderoso como o do Mega Drive na época. After Burner, R-Type, Soldier Blade, o próprio Shinobi entre outros são jogos que aproveitam muito do potencial gráfico e de cpu do videogame. Apesar de os melhores títulos do videogame terem sido lançados em CD, o PC Engine mostra que precisava apenas de uma equipe competente para programar no console.
Sim, programação é tudo. Mas, existe uma diferença enorme em um jogo muito bem programado para um barramento 8 bits e um jogo muito bem programado para um barramento de 16. É só comparar o shinobi de pc engine e super shinobi 3 de mega. Ambos foram bem programados mas diferem em qualidade gráfica entre si. Pois são arquiteturas diferentes, separadas justamente pelo tipo de barramento!
vida infinita são jogos diferentes. Não tem como comparar o Shinobi com o Shinobi 3. Se for ver o Shinobi 3 é mais bem feito que o Shinobi original do Arcade em tudo.
Nossa, a versão do Mega Drive é superior em todos os aspectos.
Only thing I see better on PC Engine body parts explode in more of a 3d gets closer to the screen and looks more challenging other than that Genesis wins on everything else closer to the arcade.
Inspite of the enhaned color palette, the TG16 version does not look nor sound as good as the Genesis/MD one. The sprites look fat, short, and stretched out on the TG16 and the sound effects + music sound very 8-bit on the TG16.
Am I the only one to notice that the crosses in the PC Engine version are Armenian crosses?
Tá aí um jogo que nunca teve uma continuação *à altura* do original
The Megadrive wins it hands down.
Gen/MD version has parallex scrolling and looks solid for an early 16 bit game, PCE version looks like they didn't even try
hepwo91222 Sega did that to make up the loss of scaling the tree boss.
PC Engine is better, it didn't have sprite flicker issue that genesis had !
I would sure hope a Sega game would look better on a Sega system
master system games nope
At leaste the TGfx16 looks great and framerate is great unlike the PC version compared to sega master system which was an asshat at best,
Efectivamene como dice nuestro compañero de stephen Queen, aqui gana megadrive, es que los colores la pantalla, la musica , todo esta muy bien equilibrado y como es SEGA pues saben hacerlo en su maquina.
Boards look better on Sega by a HUGE margin. Characters look better on PC by a smaller margin. Given this, Sega wins.
Genesis wins handily for this one.
Some SEGA games turned out well on PCE but this was not one of them
Sega Genesis Mega Drive Wins
Ambas as versões são boas mas a do mega drive é a que se destaca melhor pelos gráficos que ficou bem parecido com a versão do arcade
Pc dos vs mega drive altered beast
mega drive concerteza,mas a versão pc engine é ate boa,fez feio não.
Nem sabia dessa versão...
I never u understood ,engine had the same color palette as genesis but could do more colors on screen...it’s always been an anomaly and another boneheaded decision by Sega ...they should have kept the system in for another year and had a larger color palette and more ram for their sound chip ..
One other note that people need to consider with this conversion is it very difficult to port a game to a different Assembly Language everything including the game engines have to be Rewritten. A perfect example to this is out of this world we should all be able to agree that the Super Nintendo is a more capable unit than the Mega Drive but when you see the Super Nintendos port of it it's awful and the Mega Drive is quite accurate other than some downgrading of the graphics but the game play is all there because that game was ported from a Motorola 68k processor on the amiga to sega's 68k processor and Super Nintendos 16 bit version of the 6502.
Umm...no, the Snes is not a more capable machine than the Genesis. The Sega Genesis can emulate every single Mode the Snes does through sheer brute force alone. Everything the Genesis does is through pure bone stock hardware without the need of helper chips. Further, the Motorola 68K microprocessor in the Genesis runs circles around the Snes's. Hell, even the Z-80 co-processor in the Genesis has a higher clock speed. Why do you think indy developers are still making games for the Genesis but have largely left the Snes alone? It has better hardware pure and simple.
My God just take a look at Wolfenstein 3D, the fan fix of Street Fighter Champion Edition, Mortal Kombat, and Mortal Kombat 2. Every single one absolutely wipes the floor with their Snes counterparts. The Mortal Kombat fan fix is damn near arcade perfect in visuals and Wolfenstein 3d plays/looks almost as good as the PC port with pure bone stock hardware. You won't find an MMC or FX type chip anywhere in these games. You should also take a look at Thunder Force IV for a store bought game that looks good enough to be a second generation Neo Geo game.
@@Sinn0100 all good examples of great programming but technically the SNES was quite a bit superior in almost everyway clock speeds alone do not determine speed of an operation taking place.
@@jasonmarch1983
Oh I agree that clock speed alone doesn't do it but...it's not just a single processor that we're talking about. When you include the Genesis's second processor and ability to brute force anything the Snes can do without any specialized helper chips things begin to look a bit different. Having said that, the Genesis does have a severe weakness and that is its poor color limit. Even when developers broke the 64+shadow limit it's still less than an Snes. You have to wonder with so many options available to Sega by 1988 why they chose such a limited color pallet? I mean the PC Engine was blowing well passed that in 1987 and was a direct competitor. You would think Sega would have saw this and realized they needed more future proofing. They did this with the 68000 but not the VDP. Strange...
@@Sinn0100 while having less total pallettes than the PCE they both shared the same 9 bit color depth. I was encoding some photos recently for both and you would be surprised the difference was not as great as expected. I being a long time pcengine fan would have died for native parallax scrolling over more colors on screen
@@jasonmarch1983
Speaking of the PC Engine you know what's a damn shame? I was one of those idiots that bought into the TG-16 was inferior and not worth my time line back in 1989-1994. I didn't find out I was dead wrong until the PS1 was long out. The reason I bring this up was it was the lack of parallax scrolling that made me act that way or "confirmed my bias" on the matter.
What I didn't know was there were some PC Engine/Core Grafx/TG-16/Super CD ROM ROM that had parallax scrolling. That technical feat was considered very impressive back in 1989-1992. After 1992 it was almost expected with every game. Of course there in stands the problem...graphics do not a good game make. I stopped being a fanboy and began playing everything from that point forward. I have a very stupid question but did you perchance get a PC Engine/Core Grafx/TG-16 mini? I couldn't find the TG-16 so I snagged a Core Grafx Mini and my God man, it is amazing. It is the best, bar none mini ever created. I love my Genesis and Snes Minis' but my Core Grafx stomps their guts out. It has PCE. TG-16, Super CD ROM ROM, and even the holy grail Super Grafx games on it. If you don't have one yet...you have to get one! ;)
Much higher Mega Drive version.
Sega does what TB 16 don't
Me gusta más la de megadrive
Obvious that MD version is better. But I have liked the PCE version if his playability had been ruined.
a bit one sided how the music only plays from the genesis and not the pce
@@billybobs1705 I have the two versions and my opinion comes from playing both versions.
@@1985dossantos pity the sound doesn't
entre o mega drive e pc engine os dois jogos são bom
So the Genesis version is based off of the PC Engine version?
Genesis does what pc engine dont
Not agree... gameplay is far better on PC ENGINE, I love this console so much, the best atmosphere is always there... look Outrun another Sega franchise, but the atmosphere of the PC ENGINE, was superb...
Hey, guess what? The Genesis is still trash.
All-Turd Beast
#nintendofalida
Arcade forever
Excellent 8-Bit PC engine version!
Esse pc engine me raxa a cara. Mega drive da de mil a zero.
a comparison even foolish because it is clear that Sega Genesis is infinitely superior.
Mega drive ganhou de lapada
Sega wins but there are a lot little things that are not the same as arcade. PcEngine maintain that little details like some musics (when the head arises from grave to stole all power balls), some animations, smoke effects or the enemy pieces when you destroy them (with a little zoom like arcade)
Mega Drive easily wins. ... Sega did an excellent job with the 16-Bit hardware they had, because it really was the "best" hardware with the fastest CPU and the most friendly to developers. Graphics and sound are both far better in the Mega Drive version. ... I also think it is interesting that the Genesis versions of both Altered Beast and Golden Axe are better than the Arcade versions, because they "play" so much better than the Arcade versions.
Joguei as duas versões. Prefiro a do mega dríve.
PCエンジン版サウンドが厳しい。
The PCE version looks like a slightly better master system version of the game, Just ugly. It could have done much better than that.
Sega
MD #1
Megadrive destroyed Pcengine here
A versao do pc engine ficou melhor do que o mega drive. Mais detalhes do arcade!
Sega better then pc engine. After burner 2 pc engine shits on sega
totalmente mejor la version de sega genesis
Well of course the MD version is the best version but bear in mind the PC Engine system is still an 8 bit at heart?! I think NEC's version is alright and way better than the SMS version as well etc.
Segaaaaa hehe
Colours and graphical effects are better on the PCE - like the way the body parts and rocks fly out of the screen - unlike megadrives weaker explosion effect.
Many sprites bigger on the PCE - like the two headed wolves - they look like little wild boar on the MD version.
Also the arcade features no layered scrolling - so to me the PCE is more Arcade perfect overall.
Some details are better on PC Engine but the Mega Drive version looks better overall, almost like next gen with its higher resolution, fullscreen, bigger sprites and even added parallax. Also PC Engine lacks digit speech and plays poorly while Mega Drive plays like a dream.
And all this despite the fact that it was a very early Mega Drive game vs a game released 2 years after the PC Engine launch so it's pretty revealing as a later Mega Drive port with more knowledge of the hardware + bigger cart size would have been even better :D
Also PC Engine version lacks the foreground grass unlike arcade and Mega Drive port.
Yohko M. Nope - most sprites are way bigger on the PCE and definitely way more colourful, most of the enemy player animation is more arcade like on pce also - even the end of level baddie pre transform "sprite scale effect" are only on PCE & Arcade.
Explosion clouds more like arcade on pce - wolves more like arcade on pce - power up pods more like arcade on pce - incidental details like boulders only on PCE - all those are missing from MD version. Ok, the background graphics have layers on MD - but Arcade did not have them lol.
Ok regards the foreground grass and speech missing - but imo the rest looks better on pce . Ateotd it plays same on the PCE and MD.
PCE version leaves a feeling if like a slightly larger Card would have been used it would have clearly beaten the MD version by a mile ;-)
THE RGB OUT AT 60HZ CHANNEL - The Kaylied Gamer So wrong lol, but you sound like a fanboy so ^^'
So wrong and a 'fanboy' because you disagree... the facts I stated are the reason I think the PCE port is maybe a little better in some ways than the MD and less in others. I'm no fanboy as I own and rate many SFC and MD games highly and many are just as good if not better than the best PCE games, games like Axelay on SFC are awesome. Golden Axe on MD is another awesome title compared to the rubbish PCE CDRom2 port - the PCE hardware has its pro's and cons like any other hardware.
But of course yes you do use some nice logic there regards me being a fanboy eh ;-) lol
o som do pc engine é horrível!
turbografx sound is horrible!
Sega best! PC its supose to be better...
PC? No, it's PC Engine, a 8/16 bit console release one year before the Mega Drive. But yeah Mega Drive version is better.
Pc engine, a de bien meilleur effet zoom, rotation , fumée , déformation etc...la Megadrive n'a aucun effets de se genres, màis la Megadrive a de plus jolis décors et couleurs, màis c'est un peu logique, la NEC c'est une console classée 8bits, contre une true 16bits,
Je n'ose pas imaginez si NEC aurais fait une vraie 16bits......je suis sur qu'il aurait mi de le 3D temps réel sur leurs 16bits
NEC si Better
Y'a pas de rotation sur PC Engine et les zooms c'est pas du vrai zoom mais du pre-rendered, bien foutu pour les bosses par contre pour les mobs y'a aucune tentative de scaling, c'est juste une seule frame volontairement grossie. Et la version Mega Drive a aussi la fumée lors de la transformation des bosses.
Après la version MD tourne en + haute résolution, en plein écran et a des parallax d'ajoutés, la version PC Engine est larguée dans l'ensemble. Et côté son idem, sur PC Engine y'a même pas de voix et la ziq fait plutôt penser à une NES.
Et pour finir la PC Engine coûtait déjà aussi cher que ses concurrentes malgré qu'elle offrait moins de possibilités donc si NEC avaient fait une "true 16-bit" et en + avec de la 3D comme tu dis, ça aurait été trop cher et leur console se serait fait encore + distancer que ça n'a déjà été le cas. Regarde la Supergrafx, c'est une PC Engine avec juste quelques améliorations côté GPU et malgré ça elle coûtait nettement + cher qu'une MD ou qu'une SNES.
Parallax Craze bien sur, mais excuse moi de ma non connaissance du monde vidéos ludiques, mais les rotation, zoom, deformation, tous ceci existe sur nec, mais doit être programmé ( à la main , à l'ancienne) mais la petite est bien capable de faire de petite prouesse , il faut juste voir Star Parodia, qui est une démo technique plus que Shoot, mais bon comme parodius c'est fort sympathique à jouer même si le Challenge n'y est pas , si tu regarde la version de Street fighter 2 sur MD et sur Nec, je suis désolé mais la version Nec doit être sensiblement meilleure, et la petite savait aussi faire dès choses que la Snes avait bien du mal à faire.
Et si elle était aussi cher, c'est juste à cause d'une chose, l'import, et pardonne moi du peu, mais une Nes coutait très cher à l'époque, une Snes aussi ( ayant acheté une Nes à sa sortie avec Rob, je peut te l'assurer, elle coûtait bien plus que la mini nes sur ebay.....) d'ailleurs si je compare le Prix de la ps2 en mars 2000 en import ( 1800 euro ) et le Prix d'une PC engine ....la PC engine était bien moins cher . D'ailleurs le Prix de N64 import était aussi plus cher qu'une CoreGrafX et son system CD ( voir le même prix je cois 2990FF )
La Nec est souvent comparée à la Dreamcast, trop en avance sur sont temps, comparé au autres constructeur ( mettre des CD sur une console en fin des années 80 , quelle idée pour une console grand public au Japon ). Enfin si Hudson aurait remplacer Big N, il n'y aurait jamais eut cette engouement pour le JV, pas de motion contrôle à la con, et au moins si il avait ressorti une Mini nec, il aurait fait sa correctement
@@parallaxcraze958 Graphiquement la version Megadrive est au dessous de la PC Engine. Il suffit d'avoir les 2 consoles, voir mettre 2 émulateurs cote à cote. Oui, effectivement il ont rajouté un parallax qui n'était pas présent dans la version arcade sur la Megadrive, mais chaque fois que tu appuis sur un bouton pour lancer un coup, le jeu ralenti même sans ennemi à l'écran (pas sur PCE). Pour la musique ça se discute aussi. Ensuite tu veux parler de hardware mais encore faudrait que tu saches ce qu'est un adressage. Donc c'est bien beau de comparer un jeu dont la vidéo est redimensionnée , réencodé et donc altérée et peut laisser penser que la version Mégadrive à plein de couleurs, dans la vraie vie il n'en est rien. La version Megadrive est pauvre et inferieure à la PCE. A noter qu'avant de rediger ce message j'ai lancer les 2 versions sur le materiel original, pas sur des émulateurs à 2 francs. Ton profil est bourré de video Megadrive donc on a aussi compris que t'étais un fanboy.
PC ENGINE WIN
+edec 16 He has no vision or computer
+edec 16 The PC Engine looks AND sound 8-bit with poor music/sound effects and doesn't even have the digit voices. Also, even worse, it plays like crap! And the PC Engine CD port is not better since it lacks co-op and doesn't even have CD music lol. The PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 is overrated anyway, it's a good system but that's it, it has so many issues/limitations: only one controller port; no light gun support; no online support; no support for a second background layer; etc. and despite all these things it was slightly more expansive than the Mega Drive/Genesis back then while Sega's console has MUCH more to offer! Also the TurboGrafx-16 only output RF and needs a TurboBooster just to output composite while the Genesis natively output RGB and a fantastic quality at that.
Pc engine is much better
Sega