Chatter: More opportunities will come! Pomu: I don’t think so. Maybe not here, unfortunately. Damn man that’s so sad. I hope she finds freedom wherever her next adventures are.
@@CyanDumBell_MCThe consequences of going public and the track record of Niji handling foreign branches in the first place isn't exactly steller so maybe this is just the foregone conclusion
She could just be referring to NijiEN. Seeing how passionate she and the subtle hints in her wording, maybe she'll be back. I'm not trying to explicitly speculate, especially when it's based off the words of the Vtuber themselves. Plus alot of vtubers come back, so I mean we never know, ya know?
@@nakimushi11 dude same. I almost thought i was Like, "WAIT when did i get a Membie? I never had a Membie here." its trully saddening to see her Cry 😢
I hope she'll reincarnate, she did say it's her passion. Hopefully she can keep going with more creative freedom. Plus "other creative avenues" is a pretty blatant statement
@@JayEdelgardVT She might explore what is out there, streaming as a job can kind of limit you, you live in this "bubble", having more of an online life and less of a offline life. So I hope she really explores life, it opens the mind and shows you a lot of stuff, even things you forgotten. I think that is vital
@@JayEdelgardVT Not quite. She might be involved in the creative sphere in other ways. I feel like the "same time next week?" Might have been the biggest hint especially because she didn't clarify that that wasn't a joke. But maybe I'm just coping because I miss my oshi 😔
It is super sad when she realizes that she will not have opportunities to grow, not because of lack of motivation or talent, but because her company is simply not interested in promoting them.
Unfortunately that’s the japanese idol industry in a nutshell. All their talents are just products. And once they’ve done the intial advertizing, they don’t care to invest in the product any further. There may be a few companies that do further invest in their talents, but they’re few and far between. And even those don’t usually spend too much of their own money to do it.
@@Zeke1460 There's a difference between "not further investing in their talents" and "actively preventing the talents to invest into themselves". Most only do the former, Kurosanji does the latter. In fact, as seen with Selen, they're even going a step further, shutting down projects that their talents have already completed and invested money into because "it wasn't whitelisted by management". I hope future talents joining up to Nijisanji learn their lesson: The company only exists to exploit your novelty, so only use the company to catapult you into the spotlight and use that to find a better long-term employer asap.
I keep coming back to the clip of MataraKan when she had her first meeting with Vshojo management, how she had full blown culture shock when they were asking simple things like, "What can we do to help you succeed?" I'm a bit out of the know as I haven't really watched many streams from Niji talents, but that was eye opening. And then later to hear about what happened with Selen's privated stream. Again, I don't even watch her and I heard the splash back of how badly their management f'ed up.
This seems to be a very common thing in niji from past and present members. "I spent a lot of time setting up a thing and then last second management told me no"
The part where she says 'not here' i think is the saddest part of all. Obviously she's gotta be kinda cryptic about it, but it's very hard to not trace the lines to opportunities being unavailable while being in Nijisanji, which is a crazy thing to think about. A company of that size being literally unable to secure new opportunities for itself and its staff because its focus is clearly elsewhere.
I don't think they're unable, I think they're very purposefully sabotaging their talents as retribution for whatever. She said she'd been offered the opportunity and *then* got told no. By whom, I wonder. She's very diplomatic about it, but I think as fans we can't afford to give niji that much grace.
I wish it was just them being unable to secure opportunities. That'd be a bad flaw but an honest one. Everything that we got to know about the company this past year indicates that the opportunities are very much present and available, but for some godforsaken, inexplicable reason Nijisanji is actively cutting their talents off from them and sabotaging personal projects. It's like, they want their brand entirely self-contained with neither the talents or other companies building on it. NijiEN had so much potential. So so much. With how well things were going for some time, and how much more tailored they were to a western audience, I could even had seen them outgrowing HoloEN. But their long list of awful mistakes and their inability to learn from them damaged the branch to a point of beyond saving. Reputation-wise 100%.
I couldn't hear all of what she was saying even in the unprivated VOD, poor girl was on the verge of bursting into tears 🥲. However, from what I get, there was supposedly an "opportunity" that was initially offered to Pomu, but then she got promptly denied without any clear explanation/"negotiation"? That is quite...something, to say the least
I believe she made the best choice for herself, and she definitely thought about her decision a lot, and I am glad she had the courage to go. Was a very difficult decision, graduating is much harder than debuting, when you know how much people were there watching the streams and having a better, happier days because of her. Maybe she wont come back to streaming, but as long as she can be herself and not feel so suppressed, I will be proud of her. Dont be sad it ended, be glad it happened! PP energy forever
I'm more glad she chose to leave because she really does want to pursue something she really have wanted and decided to go to college. I hope people can understand this because being an online creator isn't any better to a 9-5 job.
@@Zliarx exactly, Pomu being the free and adventurous spirit she is, it is understandable how draining it can get when you have to follow all rules and narratives of the employer/company. Dealing with the same kind of issues so many times. Unfortunately it does not get easier for our beloved talents, when it all seems to be getting even more strict, but what do we know.
I feel like with some of the recent graduations we've seen like with Mysta and Mika, they've known they were going to graduate for at least 6-12 months prior to their graduation date so it doesn't surprise me anymore
Mika stated she put her graduation notice a YEAR before she finally graduated. Now, clearly the bullshit happening with Mika vs. what was happening with Mysta are different, but regardless, the pretty much is the same. They realized this was the best they were going to get from Nijisanji and they left beceause it wasn't worth staying for. @@startownsend7517
@@startownsend7517 I do hope, they will be able to tell us their thoughts on graduation, sometimes it shock you. You can still expect them to announce it, just I wish more of them actually told us that it will likely happen or not happen.
@@liesandy291 After reading the contract, it sounds more like a 3rd party wanted rights to some part of Pomu's IP. Niji being Niji wouldn't let it happen.
@@DiGreatDestroyer Looks like the capt cha system to register for the forum gave me brain damage. I don’t know what website to post this. Recommend me the names of any forums out there.
@@MrHoneuma Real talk, I hope Pomu can join Holo. She's a _perfect_ fit for them with her creativity, idol fixation, cursed gremlin-ness and general charisma.
@@DinnerForkTongue To be honest, she deserves a break and a change, that she feels like she needs. From one idol corp to another idol corp, I know holo is different, but still. Just wish for her to be happy and at peace, I know she struggled with anxiety a lot, so it might be because of her job.
@@DinnerForkTongue let her take a break for a while, holo just debut en3 i don't think they will debut new gen again for a while because their studio already too packed unless some gen graduate to make space
Aww, poor Pomu. It breaks my heart to see her so distraught. I hope she has bigger opportunities outside of Nijisanji. Wherever she goes, she'll have my full support. Whatever this opportunity is, I i sincerely hope she gets another chance. It's so frustrating that the last 5 members i watched (Yugo, Nina, Mysta, Mika, now Pomu) all had moments of being creatively stunted. It seems to be a big factor for leaving. I wish her success and happiness in her future endeavors.
I saw a comment that it may have been the Metal Gear Solid thing that Calli ended up promoting. Apparently she was the third person considered, so it'd make sense that Pomu, a huge MGS fan, would be so excited for the opportunity to be given to her, and to be so frustrated by having it denied.
@@holographicwing Last year's voice pack is on (re)sale until the 30th at 2359 jst / 0959 est / 0659 pst, so it might be too early for them to fire her and unperson her. Plus they might be trying to avoid embarrassing themselves in front of their shareholders by losing their two biggest female streamers in the same calendar month for the same reason, so that might also be why they haven't published the termination notice yet despite her having been suspended for more than 30 days at this point. The start of the new calendar month will be 24 hours and 1 minute after the sale ends, so expect the notice to be published at or shortly after that point. If not then, then they'll very likely wait the day before her contract expires before officially firing her, just to prevent her from doing freelance content creation (and, more importantly, getting paid) in the interim.
I'm sorry but if you're mistreating one of your fundamental pillar talents to the point where she can't fight frustration and tears and has to deal with her emotions live on stream, you're just trash of a company, no two ways about it.
A tiny bit of added context for this clip: this stream took place approximately 7 months before her graduation announcement. I had the sorrowful honor of being present for this stream live. I knew frustrations were mounting but this exact moment was the first time I feared that she might actually be leaving. I coped by telling myself she loves Nijisanji, her friends, and her community too much to actually do it, but it seems I sorely underestimated her ambitions for something more and the frustrations of feeling stagnant and held down, likewise for Mika. Even though I’m positive both of them will appear again in some other form, I can’t help but mourn the effective death of Pomu Rainpuff and Mika Melatika as I knew them; They rocked those avatars as extensions of themselves so well. Regardless, I wish them the best and I am woefully sorry things just simply didn’t work out at Nijisanji as much as we wanted it to.
Holy shit, now that I hear this was 7 months ago, I couldn't imagine the silent terror Pomudachis could have felt when Uki did Pomu's reading. Condolences and hope you guys may find her in this vast internet space sometime later 🫂
I’m at the point where every time a Niji graduates I’m actually happy for them for getting out of the shithole. Literally all of my favorite vtubers are in nijiEN and they’re just constantly getting shit on by their own company
Fans of indie vtubers and most other agencies' vtubers: do not want their oshi to graduate, because they love their oshi Fans of Nijisanji vtubers: *DO* want their oshi to graduate, because they love their oshi (and plan to follow their "new" oshi upon their debut elsewhere)
i bet 1000 bucks that it was the Metal Gear solid collab. knowing pomu she would not be this distraught over other stuff. sad yes but she goes into it and immediately burst into tears. that's biggest fan emotions. She got literally cucked by niji to be directly associated with metal gear in an official capacity.
Agreed, I saw calli got the MGS song and was like "what? She doesn't even like MGS, wasted opportunity. Everyone knows pomu's the MGS Vtuber" Now it sounds like she never got a chance, and that sucks
@@YesnaughtShe doesn't like MGS? MGS was one of the games she wanted to play along with Persona during her debut year. I can understand disappointment that Metal Gear Pomu didn't get the collab, but it's also not good to spread misinformation and make it seem like she only wanted the perms for the bag.
This is definitely a Konami thing. They are so asinine. They gave Nijisanji exclusive MGS perms that Cover couldn't touch for no reason, playing favorites. Then out of nowhere, they finally lift the exclusivity and then partners with Cover all of a sudden. I bet there was some back door fuckery between Niji and Konami that must have gone sour.
One of the reasons why we should never forgive the kurosanji and keep their yacht sinking. Hope you back soon, forget all the sorrow and pain you had and start a new life as you want it to be as you deserve it. Virtual hug to you girl. ❤
Pomu had everything set up to have the levels of popularity to go toe to toe with just about any EN Vtuber and Niji management couldn't help but fuck it all up. Wherever you go, there's enough people to populate a small nation that want to see you succeed and hit the heights you always should have. Godspeed, goofy fairy.
Given her job issues in the past, I was a bit annoyed that she had to go through that again. It sucks but leaving was a good call considering all the new stuff.
Sad to see her go Happy to see her find better places If fate allows, I hope we see her again. And if we cross paths, hopefully we'll remember and welcome her back grandly.
Making the old defunct Niji livers EN managers was such a huge mistake. This girl put every bit of energy she had into raising the branch up and paving the way for it to grow to where its at, and this is how they treated her. Actually disgusting tbh.
This fucking breaks my heart, dude. More than anything else, I hope that Pomu's able to actually chase those opportunities without restriction if she still desires.
Same here. I've only known NijiEN through some clips but I still am very well conscious of the enormous impact they've had in the Vtuber industry as a whole, specially Pomu, since she's considered one of the founding members of NijiEN. I wish nothing but the best for her in the future💚
It sounds like nijiSanji might have too much talent and might not have the ability to make the bigger ideas of its more ambitious talent a reality. Hopefully she can push forward with her dreams and make her star brighter.
thats their own fucking fault. they keep churning out new waves. its a deliberate choice. and to be frank i doubt even if they didn't pump out half baked debuts they would still fuck over the talents. we KNOW what they pay for and they pay for practically NOTHING, not even debuts are supported. the talents have to mostly do anything themselves, so even the number of talents is irrelevant since they do not financially support them mostly anyway. 2%!!!
lacking the ability to manage seems more like it. anycolor is just being a bitch about everything since 2020. Concerts, attires, colabs, songs, promotional engagements. These people bring in money for Anycolor and I just feel like Anycolor is just trying to make it seem like they want their people to never do anything beneficial to them, look at some of their merch drops, they are the dumbest Mfers of management I have ever seen.
Nijisanji management sounds to me like the exact opposite a "talent" manager is supposed to do. It seems they're mostly there to tell the talents what they can and can't do instead of opening doors for them to grow. Their business model is more akin to a VTuber sweatshop than a creative agency.
Well, Nijisanji will never be the same without Pomu. For me at least. We lost a lot of livers but... losing pomu is different, it is like a goodbye that you truly cannot accept. I only wish her the best on her new journey.
It was tough, but Im really glad we got 2 weeks of hanging out and gradually prepping ourselves. She also did amazingly at making those last streams fun and not so serious. Although I got really sad in the final minecraft stream. Still this is million times better than her being terminated and not knowing about why or what. There would be no prepping, no last good moments together, just straight shock
It's weird, but, assuming the rumours are true... I'm glad in a way? I know that the place Pomu is rumoured to be going to is a much better working environment, and I just want her to be happy.
The best case scenario: She is raidio silent for 6 month and suddenly we get a girl with similar voice in Holo EN4. That will be a happy ending for Pomu.
Nijisanji maybe the pioneer of the streamer vtuber thing. But wtf is going on inside the company. Stop fucking shiting out new Generations, if you can't take care of the OG gens.
They took down the vod for this clip. Make sure to archive this since they might copyright strike. Just 1 more promise break to send her of. Thank you Nijisanji.
Kurosanji is never beating the black company allegations. Three years of hard work and dedication for this company, and this is the way they treat her. Here's to hoping she finds a different company that will actually work with her and allow her to flourish and grow, rather than try to shut her down at every step of the way.
This sounds like the company was a cage for Pomu. She is a natural comedian and really creative, so I feel like its good that she left for her sake. I wish her all the best for the future.
Man that was heartbreaking and I don't even really follow Pomu or Niji. I didn't even really know there was this big behind the scenes issue with management until recently. I really hope that whatever she decides to do next, vtuber or not, lands her in a better place that won't deny her these big opportunities. I wish the best for all of them.
To be honest, after all of nijisanji's problems, maybe it would be good for her to leave that company and be an independent streamer or in others Company, I will continue to follow her wherever she goes.
I would love it if she showed up in Vshojo, they’re a much better company than Niji who actually lets their talents do what they want to do. She could collab with Kiara still that way since we’ve had multiple hololive-vshojo collabs.
@@MrFryTastic I don't think VShojo have the production capacity to support someone like Pomu in terms of concerts and shows, but it's a better place for streamers for sure.
@@cikame Vshojo are the best place for "content creator" if i have to say, while Holo are more idol minded, so it's really depend on the goal, if you want freedom to make content, go for vshojo, or if you want a bunch of concert, making album, and tour around then it's Holo
Jumping ship before the behind-the-scenes could make her content decline in quality was the best decision Pomu has made in recent times. Nijisanji was good for her in the past, but those times are _gone._
So many things happened and they were tragic. Mel got terminated, my favorite burger joint is closing down, one teacher I knew at work died of cancer and now Pomu graduated. Is this something normies will tell me to get over it and touch grass or is this just life. Life being unfair and unpredictable. I’ll continue to put on a brave face because it’s all I can do. Just try to spend the most time with your oshis,friends, co-workers and families. You just never know when it’s time to go.
that is part of life. of all unfairness in this life, we had to create the best not just memories, not just for ourselves, but also all kind of things for those around us, who stay after we leave.
i just hope Pomu has fun and gets lots of great opportunities doing whatever comes next for her. not sure why Nijisanji has such a high turnover rate for talent but they should probably start reevaluating how they manage people, not just EN either it seems like all the branches have issues. pure speculation but maybe they don’t have enough managers per talents?
They don't have high turnover rate, 85% of their talents in JP are in there. Id and kr died as a branch so they had mass gradations while in EN while its mismanaged they only lost 3 leaving by their own choice.
@@ausgod538 Across their entire company they had a graduation or termination EVERY month last year. Yes, with the shotgun method they take to debuting talent, the numbers percentage-wise won't catch up to them for a good while but pretending there aren't massive issues within the management side of things is blind faith at best. Anycolor has a history of poor and/or bizarre decisions on the upper-management levels across all of their branches. From older issues like the Mururu situation and newer ones like Gundou on the JP side, to cutting the legs out from under ID and KR, a fate which now could very well be looming for EN as well. It's becoming more and more apparent that the business strategy of throwing a ton of talent at the screen and seeing which ones stick has rapidly blown past what they have the management infrastructure to effectively support, but despite this Anycolor seems to have no inclination to pivot from the strategy. Throw on top of that their impeccable ability to completely ignore optics and consistently burn down the good will of their communities and it's a perfect storm for negativity to fester. Time will tell just how much this comes to bite them, but if only for the talents' sakes I very much hope the powers that be in Niji can right the ship.
I dont really see people DEFENDING Nijisanji, more like extremely dissapointed, but paradoxically extremely tired of insesant hate. Is NijiEN's management stupid? Absolutely, but also people treat ANYTHING as the same level of what shit like Wactor or AkioAir has done
There's always an opposite to anything, some with cause, and some just extremely weird. Some defend Niji because echoing their oshi, and some defend it because they don't want things to get even worse.
@@Wazaraku I've literally seen people commenting on Mel's firing by saying "See? And you say Nijisanji is bad". Like if firing an employee for breaching an NDA and repeatedly opposing projects from your own talents were even remotely comparable. Those are the people I'm referring to. I don't recall mentioning Wactor or AkioAir, that I barely heard about anyway, and from what I've heard are legit black companies period. Saying Nijisanji gets too much hate because they don't doxx their talents unlike those other companies is like saying it's excessive to hate on a bully because there's also mass shooters. P.S. Oh, I should add, I know Cover occasionally denied some authorizations to their talents as well. I'm not saying they are always perfect. That annoyance comes with the benefits of joining a big company, I guess. But to imply it's on the same level of what Nijisanji does is simply not realistic. I mean, Mysta literally said they deny them opportunities. A lot of their talents did. Nina strongly implied it, too. They seem to limit the autonomy of their talents quite a lot. Especially EN ones.
I don't really think that she can regret anything about all of this. It s sad that our time ended like that and sure us and she may be regretting unfortunately this thing. but I don't really think that she can blame herself for it. It s just unfortunate.
Nah, Konami is incredibly JP centric: Calli, despite being EN, got the gig because she literally lives in Japan, is signed with Universal Music Japan (huge visibility), and has worked with japanese musicians for years. What's more likely is that Pomu, who's known for being a total idol nerd, something that's way more niche than MGS so they will be on the lookout for any new way to get popular, got noticed by some idol production company or agent, was contacted about doing a concert or at least a couple of original songs with a major idol singer that Pomu admires, but Nijisanji being what they are, ignored it and refused to follow through, making that offer vanish. If it was Konami instead, Nijisanji would have likely rolled out the red carpet: NijiJP already worked with Konami, Konami owns the rights on many high profile games (perms), and could also provide preview accesses and perms to streamers for new releases. When Pomu mentioned a "once in a lifetime opportunity", and seemed so devastated, it points towards something related to idols rather than MGS: the Metal Gear Solid franchise isn't disappearing, it will be there in 2024, it will be there in 2025, so it could have happened later on if needed. Meanwhile, idol groups rarely last long: they peak out in under 5 years of existence, with 2-3 albums making it to the front page at max - if Pomu was asked to participate to one of their event, it's very likely that idol group will no longer exist by the end of 2024, with all its members retiring. Same goes with the exceptional revival of a few famous idols: they do a brief comeback for a year, have less than 10 concerts, then it's over for good. If Pomu was offered to join them, it had to happen then and there. Maybe the deal required a joint production, at least for Anycolor to pay for the 3D studio and mixers for the recordings, and the upper management laughed at that idea. Thing is, Pomu went into the vtubing business for the streaming fun, sure, but also as a way to connect to the idol world - it was her passion for years before Nijisanji, and will remain a major part of herself - if Anycolor made it clear that she wouldn't be able to access the idol world (with songs and concerts) at Nijisanji, it makes complete sense that she would decide to quit then.
@@TubeofDestinyI think MGS is still on the table. Big names like that only offer once, and no matter the reason, if it doesn't work out you're out. Management knows this so they probably leveraged it against pomu and/or sabotaged it to punish her for whatever. Even if it's not mgs or idol related, what matters is how management treats their talents.
I ain't a Niji hater, but I remember back in the day when Niji management was infamous for being a black company (even Tsukino Mito thought so at first) and i thought it was fixed when Sasaki come back after graduating. But with the recent Selen fiasco and Pomu graduation (literally my EN oshis) I think I will never support any Niji anymore, I don't want my heart to be broken anymore because of some shitty management. Also I'll never forget that they abandon Niji ID, KR, and IN. Zaion was right
Bro, honestly... FUCK niji. Super incompetent management, it's laughable... I'd like to see many of the Niji EN talents show up in Phase or otherwise Hololive, seriously. Entire branches got abandoned, shit is hitting the fan left and right. I wonder what's keeping the current talents from just stopping right now
Hey, finally someone who remember Niji's Shitty treatment to their IN branch. I started my disdain on Niji for that particular reason, especially when they merged ID with EN making it just Niji EN, why can't they do that with IN?
Right now, I can Imagine in 10 years, in a decade. We will see almost all of the vtuber that we love. Will making graduation stream. And longer the vtuber "alive" the sadder we become😢 And maybe there's no reincarnate in that case...
Wherever the Queen of All Forest Fairies go in her next ventures, may she found what she desired. P.S: If I can tell Queen Pomu, it will be this: Do or do not. There is no try.
Its hard not to think about what could have been, it must have been a huge bubble bursting and disappointment, being accepted into your dream job and slowly realizing that you can do everything right and still lose. Some doors once closed will never open again for Pomu or any of us. I dont believe that Pomu will come back, at least not for a long time. I only hope that she can find the drive and inspiration again.
Someone with the creative drive like hers shouldt be restrained, but encouraged. She proved time and time again that she's capable of amazing things, even if they come out of her own pocket. So going to where she can actually be supported to achieve the goals she set for herself more than as a streamer but as an entertainer, is definitely the right direction after all the growth she got and the validation she got from being given an audience. She deserves it, she deserves all the love and support and she deserves to go forward with whatever goals she sets for herself from here on!
Just like Mysta, Nina, Yugo and Zaion I hope I can one day randomly find Pomu and Mika in some other Vtuber form. I don't know how fans find their favorites again once they reincarnate but I trust that if Pomu and Mika come back their communities will find them and it'll find it's way back to me ❤. Also if anyone knows what Pomu and Mikas alt accounts are if they even have them, I'd love it if they could leave them in this comment! ❤
Pomu was one of the few Vtubers that I would actually watch on stream when I saw her doing something I was into, and she was always entertaining and had me smiling. I'll miss her and wish she hadn't had to leave, but hope that her life will be better off elsewhere. With any luck we'll see a different studio pick her up, as we all know she certainly has the talent and drive to engage with viewers and make our days better, perhaps even going independant and able to do her own thing without worry.
That's what happens when you are in a company... you get known, opportunities will come to you, but at the same time, management will deny you of them when they feel like it... even if you are well paid and have a good fanbase, if you are really looking forwards to things and they get constantly denied to you it can hurt so much. I believe she will try to go indie and if she does it will go well.
@@Zliarx Yes, and he said thats what happens when u r in a company, when u have an office job, something Pomu quit to join niji in the first place. And frankly, sometimes this sounds worse than her old office lady job.
@@Zliarxexcept Nijisanji is supposed to be an entertainment company, with live talent to entertain us. It's not just an "office job". How are their Livers supposed to entertain us when they're denied opportunities to expand and grow their abilities to entertain us?
@@Zliarx Well, you are not likely going to become famous in any office job and collab with people that you dreamed to have a collab with, or do big projects/events etc.
Management denying opportunities for various reasons is normal for vtubers, but management denying opportunities simply because they feel like it seems more like a Nijisanji thing.
Niji is starving itself and driving anyone who is a creative original away. Listening to Matara talk about her new management at VShojo, it's super obvious that the Niji staff are beyond incompetent and disinterested. It's like they don't want their own talents to succeed. I hope Pomu gets to do so much more cool stuff now that she's free of this ridiculous burden.
All things considered it probably was the metal gear collab the timing is just too good without mentioning she is not alien to jp corpos, her connections and her wording. I hope she makes it bigger than she can imagine wherever she goes now.
You can do both, I used to watch Mika while also voicing criticism towards any bad management calls by Niji. The most important thing is criticism the hate and disdain is just a cherry on top, you can do without it, but it sure does makes it more flavorful.
@@ArseneaLupin yeahh i agree. But i'm kinda nervous to voice these opinions, since seeing Luca and Millies take on it. Ik every company isn't the best, but man these talents deserve SM better. I feel bad that multiple negative comments regarding about nijisanjis management hurts/annoy them.
I'm kinda on the fence with this one. It seems like "most" of the livers still "want to continue" their job as NijiEN, but at the same, it's hard to not look away from what management is doing. And the sadder part is that EN already knows management is pretty shit, but they either can't acknowledge it openly, or they simply don't want to give up their job for reasons of their own.
It really makes me wonder why niji management is the way it is. Like niji was sooo good for like the first year and then it went downhill from there. Are they just that afraid of risky content? Is it management power dynamics in play? Or do they have some odd bias towards newer waves? Screw NDAs. We need to know what's going on.
On one hand I wish this opportunity was the MGS Collab, that would mean Pomu was noticed and Konami was willing to make a smart choice and go with a content creator that loves the series. On the other hand I wish it wasn't, it would be too cruel to deny Pomu of this knowing how much she loves the series. But whatever it was, I hope she'll be free to take whatever opportunities she wants in the future.
Pekora/Mori both love MGS. Pomu would have been really good to have. There's no reason to make snide comments to attack someone when it's perfectly reasonable to say Pomu would have done great. I also doubt that Konami would have gone solely Niji on this, I would imagine they'd have grabbed Pomu as well as the other's they chose to hit the Vtuber audience.
Virtual hugs to all her fans. I know it hurts. The first couple times disnt hurt much but losing Mel did. Stay strong guys. I only ever watched a couple of her stream and she was kinda funny and sweet. ❤ lemme know of she has any other alt Ch. I'll watch her more often.
I can't help thinking how crazy hot she would get (she's already so amazing) if she were in an agency like hololive that invest a lot in their talents and provide alot of support. Maybe not exactly, but Pomu's situation reminds me of Suisei when she was in Inonaka before getting transferred over to Hololive. Nijisanji gives me the impression of quantity over quality. Maybe their business model is less working on their talents, and more about finding that golden egg. Hire alot, retire alot. Rinse and repeat.
Really felt like Niji missed the boat with Pomu. She had all the tools to give anyone in HoloEN a run for their money - funny, talent, a joy to be around. However, it just seems like Niji just wants to handcuff their talents. Honestly, I hope she is the friend Matara mentioned wanting to bring over. She deserves better. I'm really sorry for her fans. Honestly, they deserve better than to watch their Oshi, broken hearted, as she rides off in to the sunset, knowing that's it. I'm sorry, y'all. I hope you find her again somewhere down the road.
Niji's management has always sucked ass. And that includes you too Riku Tazumi. You're definitely the problem too when a great and awesome talent like Pomu has to see herself out because your company can't do much for her anymore.
Riku has nothing to d with management, hes on the business side lmao management is lower, mid and upper managment and with en, there's like 5 walls of management before it reaches business. riku never has been involved in nijisanji, hes the ceo of anycolor, not the head of the agency
@@jubeipendragon5310 hes the ceo and major shareholder, not head of niji. he never have been involved in nijisanji but anycolor itself, nijisanji is managed by different people
@@ausgod538 he's certainly not a hands on kinda type of CEO, but there's nothing wrong with sending some shade his way now is it? I'm sure he wouldn't mind the shade while cruising on his yacht.
@@ausgod538what else does anycover do? If the answer is nothing, then the distinction is pointless. The man let himself become the face of the company one way or another and such faces are the first to get flak over such failures if they haven't made a stance suggesting it happened in spite of them. And as far as unintentional stances go, "Yacht man" is pretty bad
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Chatter: More opportunities will come!
Pomu: I don’t think so. Maybe not here, unfortunately.
Damn man that’s so sad. I hope she finds freedom wherever her next adventures are.
It is a great reminder for all of us, how much is "change" essential part of our lives.
And i thought the redeeming quality of Nijisanji is freedom
@@vkarvanzer4243 in the past they were more lenient than today.
@@CyanDumBell_MCThe consequences of going public and the track record of Niji handling foreign branches in the first place isn't exactly steller so maybe this is just the foregone conclusion
She could just be referring to NijiEN. Seeing how passionate she and the subtle hints in her wording, maybe she'll be back. I'm not trying to explicitly speculate, especially when it's based off the words of the Vtuber themselves. Plus alot of vtubers come back, so I mean we never know, ya know?
Just to clarify: She unprivated ALL her member streams.
Ah so that explains why SO MANY Pomu's older streams suddenly got recommended to me in all of sudden. Massive respect to her though.
@@nakimushi11 dude same. I almost thought i was Like, "WAIT when did i get a Membie? I never had a Membie here." its trully saddening to see her Cry 😢
I assume so they aren't lost to the void when her membership gets turned off
Pomu my one and only kami oshi in NijiEN is not a mistake after all. It is unfortunate we are in the current timeline where she has to graduate.
I was also confused why they only had to clip this when all her membership streams were unprivated
Hopefully starting tomorrow Pomu can live her life without having to speak in riddles all the time.
Yes
I hope she'll reincarnate, she did say it's her passion. Hopefully she can keep going with more creative freedom. Plus "other creative avenues" is a pretty blatant statement
@@JayEdelgardVT She might explore what is out there, streaming as a job can kind of limit you, you live in this "bubble", having more of an online life and less of a offline life. So I hope she really explores life, it opens the mind and shows you a lot of stuff, even things you forgotten. I think that is vital
She gonna create a new vtuber agency.
@@JayEdelgardVT Not quite. She might be involved in the creative sphere in other ways. I feel like the "same time next week?" Might have been the biggest hint especially because she didn't clarify that that wasn't a joke. But maybe I'm just coping because I miss my oshi 😔
It is super sad when she realizes that she will not have opportunities to grow, not because of lack of motivation or talent, but because her company is simply not interested in promoting them.
Unfortunately that’s the japanese idol industry in a nutshell. All their talents are just products. And once they’ve done the intial advertizing, they don’t care to invest in the product any further.
There may be a few companies that do further invest in their talents, but they’re few and far between. And even those don’t usually spend too much of their own money to do it.
@@Zeke1460but Nijisanji Isn't an idol company nor do they tout themselves as such, so your entire argument is moot
@@Zeke1460 There's a difference between "not further investing in their talents" and "actively preventing the talents to invest into themselves". Most only do the former, Kurosanji does the latter. In fact, as seen with Selen, they're even going a step further, shutting down projects that their talents have already completed and invested money into because "it wasn't whitelisted by management". I hope future talents joining up to Nijisanji learn their lesson: The company only exists to exploit your novelty, so only use the company to catapult you into the spotlight and use that to find a better long-term employer asap.
@@Zeke1460 Nijisanji is NOT an idol industry.
I keep coming back to the clip of MataraKan when she had her first meeting with Vshojo management, how she had full blown culture shock when they were asking simple things like, "What can we do to help you succeed?"
I'm a bit out of the know as I haven't really watched many streams from Niji talents, but that was eye opening. And then later to hear about what happened with Selen's privated stream. Again, I don't even watch her and I heard the splash back of how badly their management f'ed up.
This seems to be a very common thing in niji from past and present members. "I spent a lot of time setting up a thing and then last second management told me no"
Not just last second, but even published ones too. Sips coffee.
The part where she says 'not here' i think is the saddest part of all. Obviously she's gotta be kinda cryptic about it, but it's very hard to not trace the lines to opportunities being unavailable while being in Nijisanji, which is a crazy thing to think about. A company of that size being literally unable to secure new opportunities for itself and its staff because its focus is clearly elsewhere.
I don't think they're unable, I think they're very purposefully sabotaging their talents as retribution for whatever.
She said she'd been offered the opportunity and *then* got told no. By whom, I wonder.
She's very diplomatic about it, but I think as fans we can't afford to give niji that much grace.
It's really ironic tho. So many people thought that Nijisanji is that vtuber company that can give you "freedom" and lax.
@@Zliarx that's hololive
I wish it was just them being unable to secure opportunities. That'd be a bad flaw but an honest one. Everything that we got to know about the company this past year indicates that the opportunities are very much present and available, but for some godforsaken, inexplicable reason Nijisanji is actively cutting their talents off from them and sabotaging personal projects. It's like, they want their brand entirely self-contained with neither the talents or other companies building on it. NijiEN had so much potential. So so much. With how well things were going for some time, and how much more tailored they were to a western audience, I could even had seen them outgrowing HoloEN. But their long list of awful mistakes and their inability to learn from them damaged the branch to a point of beyond saving. Reputation-wise 100%.
I couldn't hear all of what she was saying even in the unprivated VOD, poor girl was on the verge of bursting into tears 🥲.
However, from what I get, there was supposedly an "opportunity" that was initially offered to Pomu, but then she got promptly denied without any clear explanation/"negotiation"?
That is quite...something, to say the least
I believe she made the best choice for herself, and she definitely thought about her decision a lot, and I am glad she had the courage to go. Was a very difficult decision, graduating is much harder than debuting, when you know how much people were there watching the streams and having a better, happier days because of her. Maybe she wont come back to streaming, but as long as she can be herself and not feel so suppressed, I will be proud of her. Dont be sad it ended, be glad it happened! PP energy forever
I'm more glad she chose to leave because she really does want to pursue something she really have wanted and decided to go to college. I hope people can understand this because being an online creator isn't any better to a 9-5 job.
Oh she decided to go to college? do you have sourced for this? @@Zliarx
@@kyoudaiken she talked about it on one of her streams after the announcement, you can find it if you search "pomu plans after graduation"
@@Zliarx exactly, Pomu being the free and adventurous spirit she is, it is understandable how draining it can get when you have to follow all rules and narratives of the employer/company. Dealing with the same kind of issues so many times. Unfortunately it does not get easier for our beloved talents, when it all seems to be getting even more strict, but what do we know.
PP ENERGY FOREVER!
They could be anycolor but they choose to be a black company.
This was streamed 8 months ago. I knew she had her frustrations but I didn't realize they were this bad this far back.
ikkkrr :(
I feel like with some of the recent graduations we've seen like with Mysta and Mika, they've known they were going to graduate for at least 6-12 months prior to their graduation date so it doesn't surprise me anymore
Mika stated she put her graduation notice a YEAR before she finally graduated. Now, clearly the bullshit happening with Mika vs. what was happening with Mysta are different, but regardless, the pretty much is the same. They realized this was the best they were going to get from Nijisanji and they left beceause it wasn't worth staying for. @@startownsend7517
@@startownsend7517 I do hope, they will be able to tell us their thoughts on graduation, sometimes it shock you. You can still expect them to announce it, just I wish more of them actually told us that it will likely happen or not happen.
Wait... oh, no way. This hits harder knowing that it wasn't a recent thing
RUN SELEN! RUN AND DON’T LOOK BACK!
oh well.....
aged like milk
That she did, ran back to her past for a better future. She's free now, and we'll always welcome her in open arms.
And Nijisanji privated it to “avoid backlash” only for us to start riot.
Streisand effect is real. 😂
All my homies hate Niji
I like the part where they privated the video again.
i wish her the best in the future wherever she deside to do. Thanks for everything pomu 🤗.
Of course they would private the stream this is from too lmao
Niji is such a shitty company
It sounds like something she really wanted to do and management didnt do their damn job.
She said it was a no without any way to negotiate. (I smell sabotage a miles away).
@@liesandy291 After reading the contract, it sounds more like a 3rd party wanted rights to some part of Pomu's IP. Niji being Niji wouldn't let it happen.
"Lel" it's private again... Hope someone will upload the whole VOD ? I haven't see the entire thing yet :'(.
Nijisanji privated this stream smh
I knew it was going to happen. That's why I downloaded it.
@@yoman8027
Cheers, if the clips start going down make sure to post your own.
@@DiGreatDestroyer Oh, I didn't mean the clip, I meant the whole stream. But I also downloaded this clip, just in case.
And the source video has been taken down by NIji. KuroSanji covering their asses
I’m going to screen record this just in case they nuke this one
@@_zerstorer5094 Good stuff, make sure to post if if it's taken down.
@@DiGreatDestroyer I definitely will in a random forum about vtubers
@@DiGreatDestroyer Looks like the capt cha system to register for the forum gave me brain damage. I don’t know what website to post this. Recommend me the names of any forums out there.
So sad how they didn't give Pomu oppurtunities. .. I'm sure where ever she goes she will be much more happy.
Looking at Mata-mama, I say yes, yes she will.
@@DinnerForkTongueEspecially if the destination is the same
@@MrHoneuma Real talk, I hope Pomu can join Holo. She's a _perfect_ fit for them with her creativity, idol fixation, cursed gremlin-ness and general charisma.
@@DinnerForkTongue To be honest, she deserves a break and a change, that she feels like she needs. From one idol corp to another idol corp, I know holo is different, but still. Just wish for her to be happy and at peace, I know she struggled with anxiety a lot, so it might be because of her job.
@@DinnerForkTongue let her take a break for a while, holo just debut en3 i don't think they will debut new gen again for a while because their studio already too packed unless some gen graduate to make space
Aww, poor Pomu. It breaks my heart to see her so distraught. I hope she has bigger opportunities outside of Nijisanji. Wherever she goes, she'll have my full support. Whatever this opportunity is, I i sincerely hope she gets another chance.
It's so frustrating that the last 5 members i watched (Yugo, Nina, Mysta, Mika, now Pomu) all had moments of being creatively stunted. It seems to be a big factor for leaving. I wish her success and happiness in her future endeavors.
I saw a comment that it may have been the Metal Gear Solid thing that Calli ended up promoting. Apparently she was the third person considered, so it'd make sense that Pomu, a huge MGS fan, would be so excited for the opportunity to be given to her, and to be so frustrated by having it denied.
i mean yugos reason for leaving is alot more complicated than just creativity, so trying to blame that on nijisanji doesn't make sense.
@@holographicwing Last year's voice pack is on (re)sale until the 30th at 2359 jst / 0959 est / 0659 pst, so it might be too early for them to fire her and unperson her. Plus they might be trying to avoid embarrassing themselves in front of their shareholders by losing their two biggest female streamers in the same calendar month for the same reason, so that might also be why they haven't published the termination notice yet despite her having been suspended for more than 30 days at this point.
The start of the new calendar month will be 24 hours and 1 minute after the sale ends, so expect the notice to be published at or shortly after that point. If not then, then they'll very likely wait the day before her contract expires before officially firing her, just to prevent her from doing freelance content creation (and, more importantly, getting paid) in the interim.
I'm sorry but if you're mistreating one of your fundamental pillar talents to the point where she can't fight frustration and tears and has to deal with her emotions live on stream, you're just trash of a company, no two ways about it.
A tiny bit of added context for this clip: this stream took place approximately 7 months before her graduation announcement. I had the sorrowful honor of being present for this stream live. I knew frustrations were mounting but this exact moment was the first time I feared that she might actually be leaving. I coped by telling myself she loves Nijisanji, her friends, and her community too much to actually do it, but it seems I sorely underestimated her ambitions for something more and the frustrations of feeling stagnant and held down, likewise for Mika.
Even though I’m positive both of them will appear again in some other form, I can’t help but mourn the effective death of Pomu Rainpuff and Mika Melatika as I knew them; They rocked those avatars as extensions of themselves so well. Regardless, I wish them the best and I am woefully sorry things just simply didn’t work out at Nijisanji as much as we wanted it to.
Holy shit, now that I hear this was 7 months ago, I couldn't imagine the silent terror Pomudachis could have felt when Uki did Pomu's reading. Condolences and hope you guys may find her in this vast internet space sometime later 🫂
I'm so sorry, may I ask what opportunity it is? :(
Is she hinting about the metal gear collab
@@dragb9284 many seem to think so
Any company that can turn a happy bubly person to this sobbing mess. Is not to be trusted.
lol they reprivated it lololololololol
I’m at the point where every time a Niji graduates I’m actually happy for them for getting out of the shithole. Literally all of my favorite vtubers are in nijiEN and they’re just constantly getting shit on by their own company
Fans of indie vtubers and most other agencies' vtubers: do not want their oshi to graduate, because they love their oshi
Fans of Nijisanji vtubers: *DO* want their oshi to graduate, because they love their oshi (and plan to follow their "new" oshi upon their debut elsewhere)
i bet 1000 bucks that it was the Metal Gear solid collab.
knowing pomu she would not be this distraught over other stuff. sad yes but she goes into it and immediately burst into tears. that's biggest fan emotions. She got literally cucked by niji to be directly associated with metal gear in an official capacity.
It could be what Calli from Hololive got singing the cover of Snake Eater.
Agreed, I saw calli got the MGS song and was like "what? She doesn't even like MGS, wasted opportunity. Everyone knows pomu's the MGS Vtuber"
Now it sounds like she never got a chance, and that sucks
@@YesnaughtShe doesn't like MGS? MGS was one of the games she wanted to play along with Persona during her debut year. I can understand disappointment that Metal Gear Pomu didn't get the collab, but it's also not good to spread misinformation and make it seem like she only wanted the perms for the bag.
This is definitely a Konami thing. They are so asinine. They gave Nijisanji exclusive MGS perms that Cover couldn't touch for no reason, playing favorites. Then out of nowhere, they finally lift the exclusivity and then partners with Cover all of a sudden. I bet there was some back door fuckery between Niji and Konami that must have gone sour.
@@josephmccafferty4172 its not a snake eater cover bruh
Idk if she'll come back as a new vtuber but if she does, the first words of her debut better be "Kept you waiting, huh?"
Lots of people will cry at that moment
"Sup bitches, bet you thought you saw the last of me."
@@Spontaneousanonymous000 what was her past life, just say the name
Full Solid Snake.
@@AStandsForFrench Mint Fantome.
One of the reasons why we should never forgive the kurosanji and keep their yacht sinking. Hope you back soon, forget all the sorrow and pain you had and start a new life as you want it to be as you deserve it. Virtual hug to you girl. ❤
Pomu had everything set up to have the levels of popularity to go toe to toe with just about any EN Vtuber and Niji management couldn't help but fuck it all up.
Wherever you go, there's enough people to populate a small nation that want to see you succeed and hit the heights you always should have. Godspeed, goofy fairy.
Roach mom gonna fix. It’s gonna be ok
Niji has privated the stream.
Given her job issues in the past, I was a bit annoyed that she had to go through that again. It sucks but leaving was a good call considering all the new stuff.
It sucks how much they all were mistreated in that company. It's unbelievable.
Sad to see her go
Happy to see her find better places
If fate allows, I hope we see her again.
And if we cross paths, hopefully we'll remember and welcome her back grandly.
I have little doubt we'll recognize her.
Did they hire a professional grave digger for their pr manager? Because God damn they just keep digging.
Original stream got privated, anyone know when that stream was originally uploaded?
like 7 months ago iirc
I hope something special comes her way now and she gets to fly to new heights!
Making the old defunct Niji livers EN managers was such a huge mistake. This girl put every bit of energy she had into raising the branch up and paving the way for it to grow to where its at, and this is how they treated her. Actually disgusting tbh.
This fucking breaks my heart, dude.
More than anything else, I hope that Pomu's able to actually chase those opportunities without restriction if she still desires.
I'm not a frequent Nisanji viewer but here's hoping to Pomu's future endeavors.
Same here. I've only known NijiEN through some clips but I still am very well conscious of the enormous impact they've had in the Vtuber industry as a whole, specially Pomu, since she's considered one of the founding members of NijiEN. I wish nothing but the best for her in the future💚
It sounds like nijiSanji might have too much talent and might not have the ability to make the bigger ideas of its more ambitious talent a reality. Hopefully she can push forward with her dreams and make her star brighter.
I think that's the unfortunate truth. :(
thats their own fucking fault. they keep churning out new waves. its a deliberate choice. and to be frank i doubt even if they didn't pump out half baked debuts they would still fuck over the talents. we KNOW what they pay for and they pay for practically NOTHING, not even debuts are supported. the talents have to mostly do anything themselves, so even the number of talents is irrelevant since they do not financially support them mostly anyway.
2%!!!
This sounds more like all they had to do was not stand in the way of opportunities offered to talents, but decided to do so anyway.
i dott eeven understand that because if left alone their talens would make it hhappen
Bro they have newer jo talents that got heir 3D debuts and mini concerts already before her!!! Niji needs to be taken down so they all cam be freed
Dang is it just me or does Nijisanji management sound way to controlling? There’s another word I’m trying to think of but it’s eluding me.
Maybe stifling or limiting?
@@blackicek1lls that’s the one! Thank you
lacking the ability to manage seems more like it. anycolor is just being a bitch about everything since 2020. Concerts, attires, colabs, songs, promotional engagements. These people bring in money for Anycolor and I just feel like Anycolor is just trying to make it seem like they want their people to never do anything beneficial to them, look at some of their merch drops, they are the dumbest Mfers of management I have ever seen.
Hindering
Nijisanji management sounds to me like the exact opposite a "talent" manager is supposed to do. It seems they're mostly there to tell the talents what they can and can't do instead of opening doors for them to grow. Their business model is more akin to a VTuber sweatshop than a creative agency.
Well, Nijisanji will never be the same without Pomu. For me at least.
We lost a lot of livers but... losing pomu is different, it is like a goodbye that you truly cannot accept. I only wish her the best on her new journey.
Wrong button
Didn't mean to dislike
It was tough, but Im really glad we got 2 weeks of hanging out and gradually prepping ourselves. She also did amazingly at making those last streams fun and not so serious. Although I got really sad in the final minecraft stream. Still this is million times better than her being terminated and not knowing about why or what. There would be no prepping, no last good moments together, just straight shock
Yeah, and one of the original Gen 1 Lazulight members to boot. Losing one of the OGs is never a good sign for an agency.
@@SusDoorknob then change it? why mention it when dislikes do nothing anyway?
It's weird, but, assuming the rumours are true... I'm glad in a way? I know that the place Pomu is rumoured to be going to is a much better working environment, and I just want her to be happy.
Crashing niji with no survivors
This just so sad, opportunity doesn't come easily once let alone twice
I hope she get to collab with Kiara in other shape or forms in the future.
Imagine them flying in the sky having fun together, just like the old days.
Well henya and ina collabed so it’s not impossible.
Kiara loves Pomu she would literally fly to her house at a moments notice if need be
@@NewGuy1414 Here's to hoping kiara and pomu could do it too as well
The best case scenario:
She is raidio silent for 6 month and suddenly we get a girl with similar voice in Holo EN4. That will be a happy ending for Pomu.
@@SenseiRaisenpretty sure holo and niji don't hire each others past talents anymore.
Nijisanji maybe the pioneer of the streamer vtuber thing. But wtf is going on inside the company.
Stop fucking shiting out new Generations, if you can't take care of the OG gens.
Poor Mint :(
I'll stick her to my prayers.
A long, happy life for her.
i will stick the same ....
"3rd times the charm", this time for HoloEN4
They took down the vod for this clip. Make sure to archive this since they might copyright strike. Just 1 more promise break to send her of. Thank you Nijisanji.
Kurosanji is never beating the black company allegations. Three years of hard work and dedication for this company, and this is the way they treat her. Here's to hoping she finds a different company that will actually work with her and allow her to flourish and grow, rather than try to shut her down at every step of the way.
Graduation was the right step.
Nijisanji is just such a shitty company to work at.
This sounds like the company was a cage for Pomu. She is a natural comedian and really creative, so I feel like its good that she left for her sake. I wish her all the best for the future.
So far haven't seen anyone leave niji and not clearly be happier after they did.
did you? please list the 50 graduations and wht happened
@@ausgod538 lolno
@@ausgod538 Gatekeeping because you're salty is not a good look.
Man that was heartbreaking and I don't even really follow Pomu or Niji. I didn't even really know there was this big behind the scenes issue with management until recently. I really hope that whatever she decides to do next, vtuber or not, lands her in a better place that won't deny her these big opportunities. I wish the best for all of them.
Power to you for uploading this clip,
if Ichikara tries anything the community has your back.
I will never forgive this black company
Anycolor just took down the original vod
Hang in there bro!
Don't kneel to the evil corpo
To be honest, after all of nijisanji's problems, maybe it would be good for her to leave that company and be an independent streamer or in others Company, I will continue to follow her wherever she goes.
Now Yt is recommending me this again, god damn it.
leaving was definitely the right move
I'd expect myself to be sad about it but i'm really relieved, and hopeful she pops up again somewhere else.
I would love it if she showed up in Vshojo, they’re a much better company than Niji who actually lets their talents do what they want to do. She could collab with Kiara still that way since we’ve had multiple hololive-vshojo collabs.
@@MrFryTastic I don't think VShojo have the production capacity to support someone like Pomu in terms of concerts and shows, but it's a better place for streamers for sure.
@@cikame Vshojo are the best place for "content creator" if i have to say, while Holo are more idol minded, so it's really depend on the goal, if you want freedom to make content, go for vshojo, or if you want a bunch of concert, making album, and tour around then it's Holo
@@NeroZeroes I was thinking more along the lines of an idol, she wants to get on stage and perform.
Jumping ship before the behind-the-scenes could make her content decline in quality was the best decision Pomu has made in recent times. Nijisanji was good for her in the past, but those times are _gone._
#SINKTHEYACHT
So many things happened and they were tragic. Mel got terminated, my favorite burger joint is closing down, one teacher I knew at work died of cancer and now Pomu graduated.
Is this something normies will tell me to get over it and touch grass or is this just life. Life being unfair and unpredictable. I’ll continue to put on a brave face because it’s all I can do. Just try to spend the most time with your oshis,friends, co-workers and families. You just never know when it’s time to go.
that is part of life.
of all unfairness in this life, we had to create the best not just memories, not just for ourselves, but also all kind of things for those around us, who stay after we leave.
now that she's indie did she ever say what it was that they turned down?
i just hope Pomu has fun and gets lots of great opportunities doing whatever comes next for her.
not sure why Nijisanji has such a high turnover rate for talent but they should probably start reevaluating how they manage people, not just EN either it seems like all the branches have issues. pure speculation but maybe they don’t have enough managers per talents?
They don't have high turnover rate, 85% of their talents in JP are in there. Id and kr died as a branch so they had mass gradations while in EN while its mismanaged they only lost 3 leaving by their own choice.
@@ausgod538 Across their entire company they had a graduation or termination EVERY month last year. Yes, with the shotgun method they take to debuting talent, the numbers percentage-wise won't catch up to them for a good while but pretending there aren't massive issues within the management side of things is blind faith at best. Anycolor has a history of poor and/or bizarre decisions on the upper-management levels across all of their branches. From older issues like the Mururu situation and newer ones like Gundou on the JP side, to cutting the legs out from under ID and KR, a fate which now could very well be looming for EN as well. It's becoming more and more apparent that the business strategy of throwing a ton of talent at the screen and seeing which ones stick has rapidly blown past what they have the management infrastructure to effectively support, but despite this Anycolor seems to have no inclination to pivot from the strategy. Throw on top of that their impeccable ability to completely ignore optics and consistently burn down the good will of their communities and it's a perfect storm for negativity to fester. Time will tell just how much this comes to bite them, but if only for the talents' sakes I very much hope the powers that be in Niji can right the ship.
Damn you, ANYCOLOR...
You failed her.
This is Pomu's middle finger to Niji. They cant dare to block this stream and is the testament on how just Niji ruins their livers dreams.
They re-privated it.
@@yoman8027 They are guilty then.
What I don't really get is how people still defend Nijisanji. I mean, what should they do, anymore? Shoot down your dog? Beat up your grandma?
They hope they get invited to le golden yacht
I dont really see people DEFENDING Nijisanji, more like extremely dissapointed, but paradoxically extremely tired of insesant hate. Is NijiEN's management stupid? Absolutely, but also people treat ANYTHING as the same level of what shit like Wactor or AkioAir has done
There's always an opposite to anything, some with cause, and some just extremely weird. Some defend Niji because echoing their oshi, and some defend it because they don't want things to get even worse.
@@Wazaraku I've literally seen people commenting on Mel's firing by saying "See? And you say Nijisanji is bad". Like if firing an employee for breaching an NDA and repeatedly opposing projects from your own talents were even remotely comparable.
Those are the people I'm referring to. I don't recall mentioning Wactor or AkioAir, that I barely heard about anyway, and from what I've heard are legit black companies period.
Saying Nijisanji gets too much hate because they don't doxx their talents unlike those other companies is like saying it's excessive to hate on a bully because there's also mass shooters.
P.S. Oh, I should add, I know Cover occasionally denied some authorizations to their talents as well. I'm not saying they are always perfect. That annoyance comes with the benefits of joining a big company, I guess. But to imply it's on the same level of what Nijisanji does is simply not realistic. I mean, Mysta literally said they deny them opportunities. A lot of their talents did. Nina strongly implied it, too. They seem to limit the autonomy of their talents quite a lot. Especially EN ones.
I don't really think that she can regret anything about all of this.
It s sad that our time ended like that and sure us and she may be regretting unfortunately this thing.
but I don't really think that she can blame herself for it.
It s just unfortunate.
Wild speculation but my guess is the metal gear song Cali ended up getting if so another big L on Niji but doesn't matter now
That sounds possible, feasible even. It could be any of a hundred different things.
I would put it past the company we know the company punishes if they do a great/overperform
Nah, Konami is incredibly JP centric: Calli, despite being EN, got the gig because she literally lives in Japan, is signed with Universal Music Japan (huge visibility), and has worked with japanese musicians for years.
What's more likely is that Pomu, who's known for being a total idol nerd, something that's way more niche than MGS so they will be on the lookout for any new way to get popular, got noticed by some idol production company or agent, was contacted about doing a concert or at least a couple of original songs with a major idol singer that Pomu admires, but Nijisanji being what they are, ignored it and refused to follow through, making that offer vanish.
If it was Konami instead, Nijisanji would have likely rolled out the red carpet: NijiJP already worked with Konami, Konami owns the rights on many high profile games (perms), and could also provide preview accesses and perms to streamers for new releases.
When Pomu mentioned a "once in a lifetime opportunity", and seemed so devastated, it points towards something related to idols rather than MGS: the Metal Gear Solid franchise isn't disappearing, it will be there in 2024, it will be there in 2025, so it could have happened later on if needed.
Meanwhile, idol groups rarely last long: they peak out in under 5 years of existence, with 2-3 albums making it to the front page at max - if Pomu was asked to participate to one of their event, it's very likely that idol group will no longer exist by the end of 2024, with all its members retiring. Same goes with the exceptional revival of a few famous idols: they do a brief comeback for a year, have less than 10 concerts, then it's over for good. If Pomu was offered to join them, it had to happen then and there.
Maybe the deal required a joint production, at least for Anycolor to pay for the 3D studio and mixers for the recordings, and the upper management laughed at that idea. Thing is, Pomu went into the vtubing business for the streaming fun, sure, but also as a way to connect to the idol world - it was her passion for years before Nijisanji, and will remain a major part of herself - if Anycolor made it clear that she wouldn't be able to access the idol world (with songs and concerts) at Nijisanji, it makes complete sense that she would decide to quit then.
@@TubeofDestiny great comment holy shit. You took all the words of my mouth
@@TubeofDestinyI think MGS is still on the table. Big names like that only offer once, and no matter the reason, if it doesn't work out you're out.
Management knows this so they probably leveraged it against pomu and/or sabotaged it to punish her for whatever.
Even if it's not mgs or idol related, what matters is how management treats their talents.
I ain't a Niji hater, but I remember back in the day when Niji management was infamous for being a black company (even Tsukino Mito thought so at first) and i thought it was fixed when Sasaki come back after graduating. But with the recent Selen fiasco and Pomu graduation (literally my EN oshis) I think I will never support any Niji anymore, I don't want my heart to be broken anymore because of some shitty management. Also I'll never forget that they abandon Niji ID, KR, and IN. Zaion was right
Bro, honestly... FUCK niji. Super incompetent management, it's laughable...
I'd like to see many of the Niji EN talents show up in Phase or otherwise Hololive, seriously.
Entire branches got abandoned, shit is hitting the fan left and right. I wonder what's keeping the current talents from just stopping right now
Hey, finally someone who remember Niji's Shitty treatment to their IN branch. I started my disdain on Niji for that particular reason, especially when they merged ID with EN making it just Niji EN, why can't they do that with IN?
Selen is terminated, definitely no more support for niji
I need to stop watching clips like this my heart is to weak.
Right now, I can Imagine in 10 years, in a decade.
We will see almost all of the vtuber that we love. Will making graduation stream.
And longer the vtuber "alive" the sadder we become😢
And maybe there's no reincarnate in that case...
Wherever the Queen of All Forest Fairies go in her next ventures, may she found what she desired.
P.S: If I can tell Queen Pomu, it will be this: Do or do not. There is no try.
Its hard not to think about what could have been, it must have been a huge bubble bursting and disappointment, being accepted into your dream job and slowly realizing that you can do everything right and still lose. Some doors once closed will never open again for Pomu or any of us. I dont believe that Pomu will come back, at least not for a long time. I only hope that she can find the drive and inspiration again.
Tbh, as sad as it is, I'm glad she left that place
Someone with the creative drive like hers shouldt be restrained, but encouraged. She proved time and time again that she's capable of amazing things, even if they come out of her own pocket.
So going to where she can actually be supported to achieve the goals she set for herself more than as a streamer but as an entertainer, is definitely the right direction after all the growth she got and the validation she got from being given an audience.
She deserves it, she deserves all the love and support and she deserves to go forward with whatever goals she sets for herself from here on!
Just like Mysta, Nina, Yugo and Zaion I hope I can one day randomly find Pomu and Mika in some other Vtuber form. I don't know how fans find their favorites again once they reincarnate but I trust that if Pomu and Mika come back their communities will find them and it'll find it's way back to me ❤. Also if anyone knows what Pomu and Mikas alt accounts are if they even have them, I'd love it if they could leave them in this comment! ❤
I'll leave comment here if someday someone have information
@@CharDhue Gonna join you in that my friend o7
Pomu was one of the few Vtubers that I would actually watch on stream when I saw her doing something I was into, and she was always entertaining and had me smiling. I'll miss her and wish she hadn't had to leave, but hope that her life will be better off elsewhere. With any luck we'll see a different studio pick her up, as we all know she certainly has the talent and drive to engage with viewers and make our days better, perhaps even going independant and able to do her own thing without worry.
That's what happens when you are in a company... you get known, opportunities will come to you, but at the same time, management will deny you of them when they feel like it... even if you are well paid and have a good fanbase, if you are really looking forwards to things and they get constantly denied to you it can hurt so much. I believe she will try to go indie and if she does it will go well.
That's literally just any office job or any job in general.
it's the life cycle of a person working.
that's just life .
@@Zliarx Yes, and he said thats what happens when u r in a company, when u have an office job, something Pomu quit to join niji in the first place. And frankly, sometimes this sounds worse than her old office lady job.
@@Zliarxexcept Nijisanji is supposed to be an entertainment company, with live talent to entertain us. It's not just an "office job". How are their Livers supposed to entertain us when they're denied opportunities to expand and grow their abilities to entertain us?
@@Zliarx Well, you are not likely going to become famous in any office job and collab with people that you dreamed to have a collab with, or do big projects/events etc.
Management denying opportunities for various reasons is normal for vtubers, but management denying opportunities simply because they feel like it seems more like a Nijisanji thing.
Niji is starving itself and driving anyone who is a creative original away. Listening to Matara talk about her new management at VShojo, it's super obvious that the Niji staff are beyond incompetent and disinterested. It's like they don't want their own talents to succeed. I hope Pomu gets to do so much more cool stuff now that she's free of this ridiculous burden.
All things considered it probably was the metal gear collab the timing is just too good without mentioning she is not alien to jp corpos, her connections and her wording.
I hope she makes it bigger than she can imagine wherever she goes now.
slowly loosing hope for nijisanji. Ik that hating on the company like this hurts the livers too, but man it just sucks how bad the management can be.
You can do both, I used to watch Mika while also voicing criticism towards any bad management calls by Niji. The most important thing is criticism the hate and disdain is just a cherry on top, you can do without it, but it sure does makes it more flavorful.
@@ArseneaLupin yeahh i agree. But i'm kinda nervous to voice these opinions, since seeing Luca and Millies take on it. Ik every company isn't the best, but man these talents deserve SM better. I feel bad that multiple negative comments regarding about nijisanjis management hurts/annoy them.
I'm kinda on the fence with this one. It seems like "most" of the livers still "want to continue" their job as NijiEN, but at the same, it's hard to not look away from what management is doing. And the sadder part is that EN already knows management is pretty shit, but they either can't acknowledge it openly, or they simply don't want to give up their job for reasons of their own.
2:16 That was a hint. She knew it was over. She had already graduated at this point, and was just going through the motions.
Sorry, he needed a new yatch
Please understand
Black company
This makes me wonder how many vtubers actually vent and cry about their personal problems on their membership streams. It might be pretty common...
Well usually what is mentioned in membership streams stays there . Unless it's made public by the Stream/ vtuber. (Which Is very rare)
It really makes me wonder why niji management is the way it is. Like niji was sooo good for like the first year and then it went downhill from there.
Are they just that afraid of risky content? Is it management power dynamics in play? Or do they have some odd bias towards newer waves?
Screw NDAs. We need to know what's going on.
On one hand I wish this opportunity was the MGS Collab, that would mean Pomu was noticed and Konami was willing to make a smart choice and go with a content creator that loves the series. On the other hand I wish it wasn't, it would be too cruel to deny Pomu of this knowing how much she loves the series. But whatever it was, I hope she'll be free to take whatever opportunities she wants in the future.
Pekora/Mori both love MGS. Pomu would have been really good to have. There's no reason to make snide comments to attack someone when it's perfectly reasonable to say Pomu would have done great.
I also doubt that Konami would have gone solely Niji on this, I would imagine they'd have grabbed Pomu as well as the other's they chose to hit the Vtuber audience.
pomu if you're reading this, we love you! we'll follow you wherever you go.
Virtual hugs to all her fans. I know it hurts. The first couple times disnt hurt much but losing Mel did. Stay strong guys. I only ever watched a couple of her stream and she was kinda funny and sweet. ❤ lemme know of she has any other alt Ch. I'll watch her more often.
I can't help thinking how crazy hot she would get (she's already so amazing) if she were in an agency like hololive that invest a lot in their talents and provide alot of support. Maybe not exactly, but Pomu's situation reminds me of Suisei when she was in Inonaka before getting transferred over to Hololive. Nijisanji gives me the impression of quantity over quality. Maybe their business model is less working on their talents, and more about finding that golden egg. Hire alot, retire alot. Rinse and repeat.
She wanted us to know
Nijisanji is a black company for vtuber change my mind
Really felt like Niji missed the boat with Pomu. She had all the tools to give anyone in HoloEN a run for their money - funny, talent, a joy to be around. However, it just seems like Niji just wants to handcuff their talents. Honestly, I hope she is the friend Matara mentioned wanting to bring over. She deserves better.
I'm really sorry for her fans. Honestly, they deserve better than to watch their Oshi, broken hearted, as she rides off in to the sunset, knowing that's it. I'm sorry, y'all. I hope you find her again somewhere down the road.
Like someone in chat said i wanna hug her so bad
Niji's management has always sucked ass. And that includes you too Riku Tazumi. You're definitely the problem too when a great and awesome talent like Pomu has to see herself out because your company can't do much for her anymore.
Riku has nothing to d with management, hes on the business side lmao management is lower, mid and upper managment and with en, there's like 5 walls of management before it reaches business. riku never has been involved in nijisanji, hes the ceo of anycolor, not the head of the agency
@@ausgod538 he practically owns Nijisanji so he should very much be caring about his talents. But, can't expect much from a guy who's only in his 20s.
@@jubeipendragon5310 hes the ceo and major shareholder, not head of niji. he never have been involved in nijisanji but anycolor itself, nijisanji is managed by different people
@@ausgod538 he's certainly not a hands on kinda type of CEO, but there's nothing wrong with sending some shade his way now is it? I'm sure he wouldn't mind the shade while cruising on his yacht.
@@ausgod538what else does anycover do? If the answer is nothing, then the distinction is pointless. The man let himself become the face of the company one way or another and such faces are the first to get flak over such failures if they haven't made a stance suggesting it happened in spite of them. And as far as unintentional stances go, "Yacht man" is pretty bad
This made me cry... 😢❤
Just do a Henya route