A lot of streamers that played the original had similar things to say about the first two phases… and then the 3rd phase hit and without exception they were all like “oh yeah, that’s what we were waiting for”
I grew up with the original (7th grade when it came out) and I remember playing this boss fight originally and having similar thoughts to Jesse during the first 2 phases. Once that third phase hit my brain just said "okay this bops" and I paused for a second to enjoy the music.
On a more technical note, as was pointed out by Alex Moukala, the J.E.N.O.V.A. track has a total of eleven (!) frickin' key changes. Which fits the whole theme of Jenova being a shapeshifting monster.
"That sounds kinda dreamy" These blind reactions emphasize how effective the music is. You know, Jenova _Dreamweaver,_ an _otherworldly_ alien - and you got that just from the music.
Right at about 15:35, you can hear a little undertone of "One-Winged Angel"/Sephiroth's theme start to sneak in there as well, indicating the connection between the two characters. They did some really clever things with the Remake music.
@@TheDudeFromTheHood Right... I was trying to be a little vague about that specifically though for people who might like to avoid spoilers 😜 For example, I'm pretty sure Jesse himself has mentioned never having played it before.
That moment when the true theme starts was a huge moment for fans of the original game. And you saw why, since you listened to the original first, amazing song, add on top of that nostalgia and that moment in the Remake when the music starts is one of my favorite moments to see people react to lol.
The reason the first 2 phases was kind of mysterious and confusing because that was made to kind of resembling whats going on in the story at that time. This fight didnt appear in the original at this point in the story so who played ff7 before will be left kinda confusing (while the new fan also confuse because wtf is genova and why its here). Its a tease from Sephiroth for whats to come and its a lesser version of Genova, so the first 2 phases were lackluster (is this Jenova? Why are we beating it at this stage what is going on). The 3rd phase was fan service, kick off Genova theme in an ‘modern’ way but it still a tease from Sephiroth ( you can hear Sephiroth theme in it somewhere). Overall, its an experimental track in the game and I respect them for doing it.
I love the observation that this song shifts into multiple keys throughout the phases to reflect Jenova’s ability to shape shift like the crazy space alien monster she is Just brilliant, Nobuo Uematsu
The thing to remember about FFVII Remake is that the music is dynamic. The music responds to what’s happening on the screen or when phases occur. I do think the buildup was worth it for the third phase. Jenova Dreamweaver’s entire boss fight mirrors the three times you fight Jenova throughout the original game, and culminates in the final phase…but we’ve still got some games left in the Remake series. Jenova Synthesis in Remake will be nuts.
this is the beauty of videogames. it allow interactive experience. dynamic sound music that change according to the situation/tension for example like boss battle phase is one of great way how soundtrack being used to enhanced the gameplay. the experience is only can be feels by playing the game.
My reaction to Dreamweaver was that the first two phases of it were alright... And then the third one hit and I had to pause the game for a moment to truly appreciate what my ears were listening to.
On a more technical note, as was pointed out by Alex Moukala, the J.E.N.O.V.A. track has a total of eleven (!) frickin' key changes. Which fits the whole theme of Jenova being a shapeshifting monster.
@@r.f.switch5847 I watched maybe 20 playthroughs of FF7R by now and I haven't seen *anyone* not get a strong amazed reaction to the phase 3 kicking in, be it fans of the OG or newcomers to the franchise. Truly telling :)
Just found your channel. Watched all of the FF7 and Kingdom hearts music reactions. It really makes me happy to see your raw reaction to these themes. It’s almost as if reliving how I felt when I heard them them the first time, both in my youth and remade themes. I appreciate your raw reaction and unedited videos that are simply true to life and fascinating to behold as someone who wondered how I looked when I first heard these. Much love, Jesse! Thank you.
oh my god this song, when i fought this boss in the remake i was like "oh... cool they made a more forboding version of jenovas theme that's neat" then it got to phase three and i just "LEEEEEESSSSS GOOOOOO"
This fight was absolutely amazing to play... When the P3 hits I felt so hyped by the music finally kicking in. I think you didn't noticed but there is a very small bit of One-Winged Angel at one moment and I think it was the best thing ! Jenova is Sephiroth 'mother'... She is an extraterrestrial entity 'the Calamity from the Sky', she is at the very center of FFVII's plot. So yes, she is a big deal.
You probably didnt pick it up, but at 15:38 is the melody for Sephiroth's theme One-Winged Angel. How they mixed that in there was so good. Such a great track and homage to the original, masterpiece! And as others have mentioned, the reason why this felt like it dragged on too long is because each phase's music was looped to match the gameplay. If you listen to the actual song, the build up doesnt take as long and the pay off is better.
Think the bigger problem was the video looped the phase themes for too long, so it seemed dragged out, it transitions much faster when actually fighting it.
Thanks again for listening.. I think the remake version was intended as a slowburn waiting for phase 3. original ff7 players like myself got a proper hit of nostalgia when it starts. The first two parts are background music for a boss and as music alone doesn't quite hit
I wholeheartedly disagree. As someone who hasn't played the game, I personally prefer the first two phases of Genova Quickening. (I still live the last phase, but the first 2 are much more powerful to me). I certainly don't think that it "doesn't hit" as a standalone piece, on the contrary it's a compositional masterpiece.
I love the phases of Jenova Dreamweaver. Its dreamy and mystical and mysterious and then BAM. Which pretty much sums up the character. Also, I very much appreciate the subtle hints of One Winged Angel in the third phase. Very well done.
im the only one in my friend groups throughout the years who have enjoyed final fantasy games, and it really makes me happy to see someone else who havn't played them like and appreciate the music as much as I have as a kid, I know its all over youtube now etc etc, but it just brings back memories, old and new.
Id say they knew what old players would be expecting as soon as a jenova boss fight started, they knew we would be expecting that beat then they said no you have to earn it you have to destroy this creature against all odds before we give you that dreamy cyber rock melody. I loved every minute of every boss fight in remake, yes the music is remixed or redone but its all in there at one point or another you get the original themes + so much more!!
It feels like the devs knew what players wanted from Jenova and were being cheeky about it. The build up and anticipation in the first two themes pay off with the actual, proper theme in the third phase that we all knew was coming
When phase 3 started and I heard the improved version of the original Jenova theme in all of it's glory for the first time, I was instantly sent right back to being 10-year-old me, and I just started grinning from ear to ear. The original FF7 was the game that got me into FF to begin with, so to hear a track so firmly embedded in my childhood come back like that....I can't even properly describe it! :)
When the 3rd phase started the reaction was general for every fans!!! Too bad when I played the game for the first time I didn’t know the original so I didn’t get that satisfaction, but now I do every time lollz
JENOVA is a shape shifter so I think that the first two phases fit because we (cloud et al) really don't know who she is yet, even though we as veterans do. The little nod to one winged angel was perfect when I first heard this. Gotta love the music for it's attention to detail. Phase three kicks you when your least expecting it. That's kinda why they went that route. These guys recently seem to really enjoy surprising you when you least expect it. Take air buster, it is a hyper hard hitting song from the beginning but then when you expect it to loop....NOPE, SURPISE MFER THERES A WHOLE NOTHER SECTION! Your idea of feeling like coming home when third phase hits, yeah ...yeah that's this whole song in a nutshell. WE BACK BOYS! Also the JENOVA Dreamweaver is essentially a title. In the og game there were multiple boss fights : birth, life, death and synthesis. So this is essentially playing on that. There's some other reasons she's called Dreamweaver there, but that's spoiler territory! Play it and have fun!
there is another Jenova version from the Original Game called Jenova Absolute that often gets over looked Sephiroth also has another fight theme before One Winged Angel called Birth of a God that also gets over looked
I absolutely love Birth of a God, and it's a shame that it doesn't get more attention. But you're kinda bound to get overshadowed when One-Winged Angel is directly following :')
I think the way they did the remake version is pretty exciting for the player. The fact that I as a fan playing through game already knew the melody and I could slightly hear it on the first phase made me wanting more. And then the second phase hit, and I could recognize the melody starting to kick in. It got me even more excited! And then BOOM the third phase hit me with all the nostalgia. It was pretty hype. They did it to One Winged Angel too. I think it's a special treat for the og fans. Well, more like a fun tease.
Respect your opinion on first two phases. I wish I was watching live during the reaction to explain the scene setting up the fight. To avoid spoilers, another reason why the music starts slow is to carry on a tragic scene leading up to the fight. It also sets up the dreamy visuals and character building for the theme of this character. FYI Jenova was not called dreamweaver in the OG , this is all new to us and you called it perfectly in the OG jenova theme reaction.
Fans of the original game completely lose their minds the first time they hear that Phase 3. I had to pause the game and just listen because my hands were shaking too much to actually play.
something that is worth noting, the version of the remake song you listened to is extended to be nearly twice as long. the song is actually only about 8 minutes. so, it's possible you wouldn't have as many issues with parts of that theme if you had found a different upload.
Hearing the Jenova theme start properly in Remake in the 2nd phase of the fight just made it seem like Jenova was looking right at you and saying "....now you have my attention."
Heya! Love your videos! A few things you commented: - About Jenova (SPOILERS FROM FF7 ORIGINAL THAT ISNT EXPLAINED IN REMAKE YET, BE WARNED): Jenova is an alien that came to FF7's planet a thousand or two thousand years ago, to try and "eat" the lifestream, Jenova was more or less wiped by the Ancients but some cells survived (More or less every event in FF7 was caused directly or indirectly by Jenova). Jenova can alter its appearance and also make you see things that isnt there. - Yoshi P (Director and Producer of FFXIV) and Soken explained how they work to create music and bosses, and they told in an interview that they do both things at the same time, Yoshida and the writters tell Soken and the team responsible to design the boss how they want it and they do it more or less together. Its not the same team as for FF7R, but I guess they do it in a similar way?
Okay, I have a story about this one, and why it hit me harder than any other track in VII Remake (though others might be better technically or musically). The leadup to VII Remake was a lot of buildup and hype. The E3 before it released, we heard for the first time some of the music and saw extended gameplay. The very first boss fight was shown, Scorpion Sentinel, featuring the first rendition we would hear of Those Who Fight Further (which you have listened to). Unlike the later version Airbuster (which you also listened to), Scorpion Sentinel was more symphonic and orchestral. To be clear, the song is amazing, and I always liked it, but the original is so obviously utilizing MIDI to replicate guitar and synth-keyboard sounds. Fans started asking if VII Remake would feature much in the way of guitars and synths, which people associate with many songs on that soundtrack (including the original version of J-E-N-O-V-A which is synth-heavy). In an interview that I have had trouble tracking down, the developers stated that they went for a full orchestral rendition because (and I am paraphrasing) the sounds of the original were the way they were as a result of technical limitations, and the orchestral versions represent what the developers wish they could've done in 1997. Obviously, to die-hard fans, this wasn't the most satisfying answer. As we led up to the game's launch, I steeled myself for a soundtrack that I would like but that would not understand the musical tone of the original. As one might expect, when the guitars kicked in during The Airbuster, I realized the devs had maybe misled me just a tick. When I reached this boss fight, however, fighting against Jenova Dreamweaver with a new version of this song, it immediately opens as a deep, booming orchestral piece. I liked it, but it did not have the tone of the original. I recalled their comments about synths and said "well, I guess they just wish the original had sounded like this." And then I reached the third phase of the fight, the beat DROPS hardcore, and the synths of the original kick in. Needless to say I was in love and it blew my mind. What VII Remake's soundtrack manages to do is draw upon nostalgic sounds when they want to, but interweave it into a tapestry that is larger and grander than you could expect. Utilizing pacing and suspense, the game makes longtime fans wait for the moments they remember, including musical ones, and then delivers just when you think they won't. They enhance the original ideas of the entire game, including its music, by surrounding it with new modern content that serves merely to upgrade your perception of the original experience. This song is both an attempt to do something new with the melodies of the original song, and a love-letter to the feeling you got when listening to the original on your PS1 back in 1997. It is truly an excellent composition, and seeing people react to the beat drop gets me every time.
lol funny enough I pretty much said the same thing to jesse in my request. It was a good bait-and-switch really, by the third phase I just figured we weren't getting the original piece.
Happy New Year Jesse. I'm new to your channel and i discovered you through FFXIV. Really happy that you did a reaction of Jenova by first listening to the OG mix as this song was quite a head trip for me and blew my mind on the remake . Love your reaction vids and covers and im looking forward to a new year with you fam.
That Bossfight has dynamic soundtrack design, so the first phase really lingered there due to the gameplay pace. The official version of the suite doesn't linger quite as long, but of course in a game it's all to serve the experience. It really feels epic going through such a difficult fight and then thinking you won, only to get hit by that complete final phase transformation and the original synth tones and rhythm starts to kick in.
The Remake arrangement, "J-E-N-O-V-A - Quickening", was again co-composed and arranged by Tadayoshi Makino, who also did "The Airbuster" which you have just reacted to. In both of these examples, he took an original piece of music then made both a faithful recreation _and_ his own take on it (where he went nuts). The difference is the beginning of "The Airbuster" is the recreation of the original then it transitions to his own take (or plural "takes), while in "J-E-N-O-V-A - Quickening" it went from his takes to finally the recreation. Personally, I like the music of phases 1 and 2 but I can understand why you feel indifferent about them. And I think you _might_ have a different opinion if you hadn't listened to the original first and had listened to the Remake arrangement fresh instead. I guess the slower tempo and the not-so-in-your-face music makes sense for me because the fight is supposed to be dreamlike (hence the name "Dreamweaver"). You'll also notice that in the beginning of the fight in the video, one of the characters (Red XIII) said that "it's an illusion". I don't think they hired any orchestras for FF7R, at least according to the OST's credits. They hired multiple strings groups and other individual musicians as well as the Philharmonic Chorus of Tokyo. Regarding which specific groups and musicians performed for this track, we don't know since it's not specified.
The dynamic music is so fun in this game. It keeps up with the player's pace. So yeah in this case it feels kind of dragged out during each phase to match how they're playing. But when you're actually in control, it can fly by when you're focusing on so many things at once. It starts a bit slow and somber here, as something quite critical happens to one of the main characters instigating this fight... And they're kind of in a anger/confusion/sadness state.
going from original -> the black mages version -> remake would have been perfect for this. We gotta get more of those versions of the song included in his reactions
man when i play that fight, they injected just a touch more of the original them in every phase. Then you get to the last phase and that beat kicks in, i nearly wept with happiness, absolute masterpiece
You were not really hearing "Final Fantasy VII Remake - Jenova", but a gameplay of the fight. What that does is that phase 1 and 2 will last until the player reaches phase 3. The game dynamically changes the music on the fly. I don't know if there is a offical score avilable somewhere where the timing is not up to the player playing the game and instead what the composer thought "correct".
Late comment, but I really love how the remake expands and plays with these classic pieces of video game music. I was exited to hear each track on my first play after hearing the first boss theme in remake and I was never disappointed.
Got to hit your limit break at 2:16 with cloud so the zoom in and pan around him while the pink energy thing and the associated cool sound effect pop off. Every time i hear this part of the song i see the omnislash animation in my mind
One of the moments that made me stand up when that 3rd phase dropped. Another one i can remember was from Doom 2016, when that choir drops on the track Damnation, while you're fighting the barons of hell. Game music can be fucking amazing.
I actually feel like Part 1 of Jenova Quickening is slower and more melodramatic because it gives the player a bit of time to process what happened in the scenes before this fight. You’re supposed to think “Sephiroth didn’t run his sword through that guy… and then he got up from it… and we meet Sephiroth here?!?!? And now we’re fighting Jenova?!?!? Why the hell is she here?!?!?!” *head explodes* In Part 2, it feels like the music is just adding that the fight is progressing, the strings and the higher key gives a sort of hope, but it’s still whimsical and even dire. It’s just the right amount of spice to keep the player focused on the fight. Many mention that Parts 1 and 2 are a sort of build up to Part 3’s nostalgia-bomb payoff, which is almost a perfect cover of the original Jenova theme. I felt when I played FF7R that the entire chapter in this part of the game is a buildup to this particular fight and especially Part 3 of Jenova Dreamweaver, and that downward scale to start Part 3 just comes and makes an old like me pause the game just to listen to this part and let the feelings from the OG FF7 wash all over me again. To me, this chapter was easily the best part of FF7R simply because of the feeling the music Part 3 of the Jenova Dreamweaver fight gave me, and even more so because I had been getting little bites throughout this chapter and then how Parts 1 and 2 teased me. Makino left the best for last here to build anticipation. That end of the strings transitioning into the Stranger Things-style downward scale still gives me goosebumps.
It is epic that they built it up for dramatic effect but you are right. When I listen to this track I skip to phase 3. This theme is one of the most awesome boss battle themes ever and they hit us with pillows for 6 minutes before bringing in the train. I wanted to be hit with the music train like in the original!!! Lol I was bopping to the song before the fight even loaded and then went wait... Oh this is all unexpectedly chill. 🤔 In the context of the game, it was pretty cool. But they held back their punches on that theme and I would have preferred the old school feeling of "OH GOD I'm about to get whooped! Let's go! 🤩"
I'm a little late for the party here, but on the subject of the build-up structure, that fits perfectly in the game, see: FFVII Remake has this thing (especially in hard mode) where the fight itself has its build-up, where you are fighting a boss, and you gotta be methodical with when to use your abilities and limits, so by the third phase of JENOVA, you already probably have an idea of her attack patterns and probably have one or two limits ready to unleash, and you wanna be aggressive, so the original theme kicks in the right moment, where you spend it all to fight it and see it down. It is so good that it makes the later bosses way lackluster if compared, and you even fight Sephiroth itself later on, but it just doesn't deliver as Jenova does.
Some people have probably already explained it but the songs have their actual length but will change accordingly to the battle. So let's say if you get to a second phase, the song will tailor accordingly and get to the part it should play during that phase. Many games do this but it's really insanely good with how FF7 Remake managed to do this so seamlessly without it being jarring at all.
this soundtrack is good example is the best way to experience is by playing the game. not by listening. the music is tailored for gameplay moment. the music is change base on situation in the game. for this example it used with boss battle phases. afterall, videogame music is designed to enhance the gameplay. the feels is different and multiplied the enjoyment when playing the game compared to only listening it without context.
Something felt familiar (aside from the remake music) listening to this. Then you said it sounded like Sonic music and I realised that there are similar passages in the Mephiles theme from Sonic 06! (Great theme btw, I recommend listening to it!)
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I just experienced this battle (and this version of the music) yesterday. Almost finished remake.
Ah, Keiki Kobayashi is an amazing composer as well! He brought a strong influence from his Ace Combat songs. Awesome song! I'd love for Jesse to listen to it!
One of the ways I think about the difference between this and Airbuster is that Airbuster takes the recognizable parts of the original theme as Phase 1 and then builds on it whereas Jenova takes the original as the final phase and builds up to it (and then I guess OWA does a bit of both). My hope is that one of the next parts of remake gives us another Jenova that gives it the Airbuster treatment where the subsequent phases feel like "sequels" to the original theme. Another thing I will say for Jenova though is that there were a number of remixes of Jenova since the original in things like Advent Children and Dissidia that in my opinion (and I think a lot of others) didn't quite capture the techno/alien feel of the original completely. To me Phase 3 hit so hard because it was like, after 23 years, "Finally - THIS is what a new version of Jenova should sound like!"
Hey man I saw your listen to Apocalypsis Noctis from FFXV, I think you should give Apocalypsis Magnatus (my favorite version from the game) since you asked "is Noctis a boss?" and to answer that yes he is, and he easily has the best theme in the entire game, with his father Regis in very close second.
09:00 "That melody sounds so familiar" It is the original scale of Jenova, just with the notes in a different order no? Also, the original did have phases as well, but they were different tracks "Birth of a God" and "Jenova Absolute"
Hey Jessie, I already saw your video for the Airbuster and One Winged Angel, but never saw for Jenova. Yes your right, Jenova theme for the original is very good I still like it. When you were listening to the remake version, I was telling to my self ''wait for phase 3, you're gonna be stunned''. Whene phase 3 started, I saw you face changed fixing the web cam for maybe 5 seconds LoL. I was lauging a lot. In the remake version, when theme goes faster, that's my favorite part of the song.
You raised an interesting question. Which came first, the boss battle or the music. You'll come to understand the music came first when you play the game. This game does a beautiful job of using music to carry it through epic moments of triumph and sad moments of loss.
Must admit it's quite funny how long it feels in the game and how more balanced in the actual record. When got a chance I bought digital album of final fantasy vii remake and J-E-N-O-V-A Quickening is a lot shorter than this. Actual record is 6 min and 20 sec and actual jenova song starts at 4 min. And tbh since it's been a while when I heard it, I forgot it had that orchestra part. Thought I never heard it even tho I did. 😂
I do not pretend to understand it but Alex Moukalas analeze is amasing with key changes and jenova being a desiver/shapeshifing entety, its amazing that composers can integrate so mutch of a boss/charecter into the music, its like when i found out Dark Souls last boss Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight and Cinder and Gwyn the light/white, his piano boss theam is only played on the white keys on the piano, sutch a upscure thing but so integral to the charecter. extra: BTW if you are playing this as your first FF game id strongly recomend playing the original FF7 Remasterd story first on ps4/pc first, youl get quite alot more out of FF7 remake by doing that in all ways posebul, strongly recomend it.
This track is one of the best tracks in the game in my personal opinion. It was amazing back in the original, it was amazing in Advent Children, and it only got better in Remake. It also helped that a certain [spoiler-free] character partook in the fight. Whenever you get around to playing this masterpiece of a game, better believe I'll be watching it.
I don't know if you can still take music suggestions, but if you can, maybe try "Capricious Wind" from Dynasty warriors 8 and "The Salvation" from Dynasty warriors 7. The composer for this series is like godlike, and Capricious Wind is like a big mashup of the themes of the three faction that are in war with each other. Either way, love your reactions, currently watching all of them and in someway, vibing with you ! 📣 Happy New year's 📣
It’s also important to note; in the album version of this remake track, it’s boiled down to about 7 minutes. This video shows the full boss fight, though the track is compartmentalized to flow with phases which happen based on the skill/damage of the player. The 6/7 minute version feels much better paced to listen to, though in the boss fight feels perfectly normal to be this extended during gameplay.
that fight and music is so memorable. you are terrified of the boss because he looks scary and does damage but at the same time the music is so calming in the last phase its truly surreal. The OG game. The remix just seems like its all watered down.
It may be watered down for now, but if they put this much heart and soul into the first installment of what will likely be at least 3, I wonder just how epic the final fights will be...
For me this version brought huge hype. But I have to admit they tricked me. When everything started I did not immediately recognize the Kenosha theme, only after did I see that they had the theme only more slowed down. When the high speed one came I realized though, everything was leading up to this. A battle of nightmare only for it to escalate into survival. A wonderful version of the Theme, that phrase 3 is my favorite Jenova version yet
I saw you reacted to the Solstice theme! One of Tim Follin's best tunes. I would love to see more of your reactions to more of his. I would suggest the Beach theme from Plok to be te next one, that's a pretty awesome tune!
Another great game with a phenomenal soundtrack for both games is Risk of Rain. The one I suggest is from Risk of Rain 2 called " The Rain Formerly Known as Purple"
Hey just a friendly heads up. FF7 remake isn't a 1 to 1 remake. It's actually a continuation of the original story, or maybe a parallel? I don't want to get too specific about it for the sake of spoilers. It isn't necessary to play the original to enjoy the remake; you might want to look for a brief synopsis of FF7 original and Advent Children. If you want to catch the full nuance of the differences in the plot, and some of the ways they changed the story telling process if not the actual story? The best way would be to play FF7 through, read or watch some analysis of the storytelling. Then do the same for Advent Children. Maybe even read/watch some stuff on Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus. Yeah, it goes pretty deep. However you want to take the journey, welcome to the FF7 fandom.
I agree with your assessment on this one. I Absolutely love the original Jenova theme, but the remake version just didn't do it for me. I was honestly confused during the fight wondering why they took all the energy out of the track. Even when it does finally get going, the boss is at like 25% hp and you don't even hear it very long. Excited to watch your play through though! There's a lot of lesser talked about tracks that are a treat to listen to.
I'll say this about the fight, it's meant to loop for each phase, so you heard it longer because -they- took long to beat those phases. But it's a fight where if you know what you're doing, phase 1 is done in under a minute, phase 2 about a minute or 2, and phase 3 will be the long one but only up to 3-4 minutes.
'fun' fact: Dreamweaver was actually spoiled in a trailer for the game's 'theme song', but in game she was really cool, but yes, she's Very Hard at first lol. The music is very strange, as it's a 'softer' version than you expect as a long time fan, and I imagine even as a newer fan you look at the boss and you're like 'oh, this doesnt seem right'. Then of course the older theme shows up with the orchestral backing and wham! The original game has four versions of Jenova, and the music for Dreamweaver makes me think more of the last of those, but I don't know if that's just me. In the original both her and Sephiroth don't show up until much later! (I get that it's not easy to do so when the games are over 30 hours long each but if you get the opportunity, i recommend playing the original too sometime. Good luck with your playthrough of Remake!)
They probably hired the Tokyo Philharmonic Orchestra, I think they have done that before. Or maybe some session orchestra? The booklet credits the orchestra's musicians individually but doesn't say which orchestra they are from. It does say the choir is the Philharmonic Chorus of Tokyo though.
A lot of streamers that played the original had similar things to say about the first two phases… and then the 3rd phase hit and without exception they were all like “oh yeah, that’s what we were waiting for”
I grew up with the original (7th grade when it came out) and I remember playing this boss fight originally and having similar thoughts to Jesse during the first 2 phases. Once that third phase hit my brain just said "okay this bops" and I paused for a second to enjoy the music.
On a more technical note, as was pointed out by Alex Moukala, the J.E.N.O.V.A. track has a total of eleven (!) frickin' key changes. Which fits the whole theme of Jenova being a shapeshifting monster.
It was like musical edging lol
I actually like the 2nd phase the best, but the 3rd phase is undeniably kick$$ and most like the original track.
i love the first two part
I'm glad you went out of your way to listen to the original, that moment when the true theme kicks in in the remake just hits different
"That sounds kinda dreamy"
These blind reactions emphasize how effective the music is. You know, Jenova _Dreamweaver,_ an _otherworldly_ alien - and you got that just from the music.
I love how the music started spooky AND dreamy, then turned into its original alien vibes right at the end :)
If there's anything that is completely and utterly flawless in both Remake games so far, it's the music. Best soundtracks ever made, period
Right at about 15:35, you can hear a little undertone of "One-Winged Angel"/Sephiroth's theme start to sneak in there as well, indicating the connection between the two characters. They did some really clever things with the Remake music.
They really did, I loved the Remake and want to play the Yuffie part(dont have a ps5) and want to play part 2 when it hopefully comes out in 2023.
It was also to indicate that this is Sephiroth creating an illusion
@@TheDudeFromTheHood Right... I was trying to be a little vague about that specifically though for people who might like to avoid spoilers 😜 For example, I'm pretty sure Jesse himself has mentioned never having played it before.
@@alibutterfly82 Oh, that's thoughtful of you lol
@@ScrewFearMe It's out on PC!
That moment when the true theme starts was a huge moment for fans of the original game. And you saw why, since you listened to the original first, amazing song, add on top of that nostalgia and that moment in the Remake when the music starts is one of my favorite moments to see people react to lol.
The reason the first 2 phases was kind of mysterious and confusing because that was made to kind of resembling whats going on in the story at that time. This fight didnt appear in the original at this point in the story so who played ff7 before will be left kinda confusing (while the new fan also confuse because wtf is genova and why its here). Its a tease from Sephiroth for whats to come and its a lesser version of Genova, so the first 2 phases were lackluster (is this Jenova? Why are we beating it at this stage what is going on). The 3rd phase was fan service, kick off Genova theme in an ‘modern’ way but it still a tease from Sephiroth ( you can hear Sephiroth theme in it somewhere). Overall, its an experimental track in the game and I respect them for doing it.
I love the observation that this song shifts into multiple keys throughout the phases to reflect Jenova’s ability to shape shift like the crazy space alien monster she is
Just brilliant, Nobuo Uematsu
The thing to remember about FFVII Remake is that the music is dynamic. The music responds to what’s happening on the screen or when phases occur.
I do think the buildup was worth it for the third phase. Jenova Dreamweaver’s entire boss fight mirrors the three times you fight Jenova throughout the original game, and culminates in the final phase…but we’ve still got some games left in the Remake series.
Jenova Synthesis in Remake will be nuts.
this is the beauty of videogames. it allow interactive experience. dynamic sound music that change according to the situation/tension for example like boss battle phase is one of great way how soundtrack being used to enhanced the gameplay. the experience is only can be feels by playing the game.
My reaction to Dreamweaver was that the first two phases of it were alright... And then the third one hit and I had to pause the game for a moment to truly appreciate what my ears were listening to.
On a more technical note, as was pointed out by Alex Moukala, the J.E.N.O.V.A. track has a total of eleven (!) frickin' key changes. Which fits the whole theme of Jenova being a shapeshifting monster.
@@r.f.switch5847 I watched maybe 20 playthroughs of FF7R by now and I haven't seen *anyone* not get a strong amazed reaction to the phase 3 kicking in, be it fans of the OG or newcomers to the franchise. Truly telling :)
Music is even better in Yuffie DLC. imo.
When the old theme kicks in at the end was one of the most epic moments ever as a fan of the OG game
Far and away the greatest gaming moment I've experienced, and I doubt it will ever be topped. Phenomenal.
Just found your channel. Watched all of the FF7 and Kingdom hearts music reactions. It really makes me happy to see your raw reaction to these themes. It’s almost as if reliving how I felt when I heard them them the first time, both in my youth and remade themes.
I appreciate your raw reaction and unedited videos that are simply true to life and fascinating to behold as someone who wondered how I looked when I first heard these. Much love, Jesse! Thank you.
Thanks a lot!
oh my god this song, when i fought this boss in the remake i was like "oh... cool they made a more forboding version of jenovas theme that's neat" then it got to phase three and i just "LEEEEEESSSSS GOOOOOO"
14:07 You can see the hype in his face, thats the same feeling of all fan streamers
This fight was absolutely amazing to play... When the P3 hits I felt so hyped by the music finally kicking in.
I think you didn't noticed but there is a very small bit of One-Winged Angel at one moment and I think it was the best thing ! Jenova is Sephiroth 'mother'... She is an extraterrestrial entity 'the Calamity from the Sky', she is at the very center of FFVII's plot. So yes, she is a big deal.
You probably didnt pick it up, but at 15:38 is the melody for Sephiroth's theme One-Winged Angel. How they mixed that in there was so good. Such a great track and homage to the original, masterpiece!
And as others have mentioned, the reason why this felt like it dragged on too long is because each phase's music was looped to match the gameplay. If you listen to the actual song, the build up doesnt take as long and the pay off is better.
Came here to say this. I didn’t hear it until this video lol
Think the bigger problem was the video looped the phase themes for too long, so it seemed dragged out, it transitions much faster when actually fighting it.
Oh! Well, either way the song is great :D
Unless you're me and you suck at fighting Jenova. Then the 3rd phase is over too fast too!
Thanks again for listening.. I think the remake version was intended as a slowburn waiting for phase 3. original ff7 players like myself got a proper hit of nostalgia when it starts. The first two parts are background music for a boss and as music alone doesn't quite hit
I wholeheartedly disagree.
As someone who hasn't played the game, I personally prefer the first two phases of Genova Quickening. (I still live the last phase, but the first 2 are much more powerful to me).
I certainly don't think that it "doesn't hit" as a standalone piece, on the contrary it's a compositional masterpiece.
I love the phases of Jenova Dreamweaver. Its dreamy and mystical and mysterious and then BAM. Which pretty much sums up the character.
Also, I very much appreciate the subtle hints of One Winged Angel in the third phase.
Very well done.
Hes..... doing JENOVA talk about starting the new years with a bang
im the only one in my friend groups throughout the years who have enjoyed final fantasy games, and it really makes me happy to see someone else who havn't played them like and appreciate the music as much as I have as a kid, I know its all over youtube now etc etc, but it just brings back memories, old and new.
Id say they knew what old players would be expecting as soon as a jenova boss fight started, they knew we would be expecting that beat then they said no you have to earn it you have to destroy this creature against all odds before we give you that dreamy cyber rock melody. I loved every minute of every boss fight in remake, yes the music is remixed or redone but its all in there at one point or another you get the original themes + so much more!!
Nothing turns a gamer's blood cold like that familiar descending arpeggio...when it kicks off, you know sh_t just got REAL!
It feels like the devs knew what players wanted from Jenova and were being cheeky about it. The build up and anticipation in the first two themes pay off with the actual, proper theme in the third phase that we all knew was coming
When phase 3 started and I heard the improved version of the original Jenova theme in all of it's glory for the first time, I was instantly sent right back to being 10-year-old me, and I just started grinning from ear to ear. The original FF7 was the game that got me into FF to begin with, so to hear a track so firmly embedded in my childhood come back like that....I can't even properly describe it! :)
When the 3rd phase started the reaction was general for every fans!!!
Too bad when I played the game for the first time I didn’t know the original so I didn’t get that satisfaction, but now I do every time lollz
JENOVA is a shape shifter so I think that the first two phases fit because we (cloud et al) really don't know who she is yet, even though we as veterans do. The little nod to one winged angel was perfect when I first heard this. Gotta love the music for it's attention to detail.
Phase three kicks you when your least expecting it. That's kinda why they went that route. These guys recently seem to really enjoy surprising you when you least expect it. Take air buster, it is a hyper hard hitting song from the beginning but then when you expect it to loop....NOPE, SURPISE MFER THERES A WHOLE NOTHER SECTION! Your idea of feeling like coming home when third phase hits, yeah ...yeah that's this whole song in a nutshell. WE BACK BOYS!
Also the JENOVA Dreamweaver is essentially a title. In the og game there were multiple boss fights : birth, life, death and synthesis. So this is essentially playing on that. There's some other reasons she's called Dreamweaver there, but that's spoiler territory! Play it and have fun!
there is another Jenova version from the Original Game called Jenova Absolute that often gets over looked
Sephiroth also has another fight theme before One Winged Angel called Birth of a God that also gets over looked
Underrated tracks!
I absolutely love Birth of a God, and it's a shame that it doesn't get more attention. But you're kinda bound to get overshadowed when One-Winged Angel is directly following :')
I think the way they did the remake version is pretty exciting for the player. The fact that I as a fan playing through game already knew the melody and I could slightly hear it on the first phase made me wanting more. And then the second phase hit, and I could recognize the melody starting to kick in. It got me even more excited! And then BOOM the third phase hit me with all the nostalgia. It was pretty hype. They did it to One Winged Angel too. I think it's a special treat for the og fans. Well, more like a fun tease.
ngl, as soon as I saw your Airbuster reaction, I had to see your reaction to the Jenova theme. Glad everyone felt the same
Respect your opinion on first two phases.
I wish I was watching live during the reaction to explain the scene setting up the fight. To avoid spoilers, another reason why the music starts slow is to carry on a tragic scene leading up to the fight. It also sets up the dreamy visuals and character building for the theme of this character. FYI Jenova was not called dreamweaver in the OG , this is all new to us and you called it perfectly in the OG jenova theme reaction.
I literally teared up when I played this for the first time, the nostalgia!!
Yay play this game! It's wonderful. Growing up with the original I love the take on this one and the music is incredible in it
Fans of the original game completely lose their minds the first time they hear that Phase 3.
I had to pause the game and just listen because my hands were shaking too much to actually play.
something that is worth noting, the version of the remake song you listened to is extended to be nearly twice as long. the song is actually only about 8 minutes. so, it's possible you wouldn't have as many issues with parts of that theme if you had found a different upload.
Hearing the Jenova theme start properly in Remake in the 2nd phase of the fight just made it seem like Jenova was looking right at you and saying "....now you have my attention."
Heya! Love your videos!
A few things you commented:
- About Jenova (SPOILERS FROM FF7 ORIGINAL THAT ISNT EXPLAINED IN REMAKE YET, BE WARNED): Jenova is an alien that came to FF7's planet a thousand or two thousand years ago, to try and "eat" the lifestream, Jenova was more or less wiped by the Ancients but some cells survived (More or less every event in FF7 was caused directly or indirectly by Jenova). Jenova can alter its appearance and also make you see things that isnt there.
- Yoshi P (Director and Producer of FFXIV) and Soken explained how they work to create music and bosses, and they told in an interview that they do both things at the same time, Yoshida and the writters tell Soken and the team responsible to design the boss how they want it and they do it more or less together.
Its not the same team as for FF7R, but I guess they do it in a similar way?
Okay, I have a story about this one, and why it hit me harder than any other track in VII Remake (though others might be better technically or musically).
The leadup to VII Remake was a lot of buildup and hype. The E3 before it released, we heard for the first time some of the music and saw extended gameplay. The very first boss fight was shown, Scorpion Sentinel, featuring the first rendition we would hear of Those Who Fight Further (which you have listened to). Unlike the later version Airbuster (which you also listened to), Scorpion Sentinel was more symphonic and orchestral. To be clear, the song is amazing, and I always liked it, but the original is so obviously utilizing MIDI to replicate guitar and synth-keyboard sounds. Fans started asking if VII Remake would feature much in the way of guitars and synths, which people associate with many songs on that soundtrack (including the original version of J-E-N-O-V-A which is synth-heavy). In an interview that I have had trouble tracking down, the developers stated that they went for a full orchestral rendition because (and I am paraphrasing) the sounds of the original were the way they were as a result of technical limitations, and the orchestral versions represent what the developers wish they could've done in 1997.
Obviously, to die-hard fans, this wasn't the most satisfying answer. As we led up to the game's launch, I steeled myself for a soundtrack that I would like but that would not understand the musical tone of the original. As one might expect, when the guitars kicked in during The Airbuster, I realized the devs had maybe misled me just a tick.
When I reached this boss fight, however, fighting against Jenova Dreamweaver with a new version of this song, it immediately opens as a deep, booming orchestral piece. I liked it, but it did not have the tone of the original. I recalled their comments about synths and said "well, I guess they just wish the original had sounded like this." And then I reached the third phase of the fight, the beat DROPS hardcore, and the synths of the original kick in.
Needless to say I was in love and it blew my mind. What VII Remake's soundtrack manages to do is draw upon nostalgic sounds when they want to, but interweave it into a tapestry that is larger and grander than you could expect. Utilizing pacing and suspense, the game makes longtime fans wait for the moments they remember, including musical ones, and then delivers just when you think they won't. They enhance the original ideas of the entire game, including its music, by surrounding it with new modern content that serves merely to upgrade your perception of the original experience.
This song is both an attempt to do something new with the melodies of the original song, and a love-letter to the feeling you got when listening to the original on your PS1 back in 1997. It is truly an excellent composition, and seeing people react to the beat drop gets me every time.
lol funny enough I pretty much said the same thing to jesse in my request. It was a good bait-and-switch really, by the third phase I just figured we weren't getting the original piece.
Well said
Kind of jealous you got to hear these new versions like 20 seconds after the original :D Some of us had to wait 20 years. Still worth it!! 🤘
Happy New Year Jesse. I'm new to your channel and i discovered you through FFXIV. Really happy that you did a reaction of Jenova by first listening to the OG mix as this song was quite a head trip for me and blew my mind on the remake . Love your reaction vids and covers and im looking forward to a new year with you fam.
Oh, I guess you were already one step ahead! So glad you reacted to this
That Bossfight has dynamic soundtrack design, so the first phase really lingered there due to the gameplay pace. The official version of the suite doesn't linger quite as long, but of course in a game it's all to serve the experience. It really feels epic going through such a difficult fight and then thinking you won, only to get hit by that complete final phase transformation and the original synth tones and rhythm starts to kick in.
The Remake arrangement, "J-E-N-O-V-A - Quickening", was again co-composed and arranged by Tadayoshi Makino, who also did "The Airbuster" which you have just reacted to.
In both of these examples, he took an original piece of music then made both a faithful recreation _and_ his own take on it (where he went nuts). The difference is the beginning of "The Airbuster" is the recreation of the original then it transitions to his own take (or plural "takes), while in "J-E-N-O-V-A - Quickening" it went from his takes to finally the recreation.
Personally, I like the music of phases 1 and 2 but I can understand why you feel indifferent about them. And I think you _might_ have a different opinion if you hadn't listened to the original first and had listened to the Remake arrangement fresh instead. I guess the slower tempo and the not-so-in-your-face music makes sense for me because the fight is supposed to be dreamlike (hence the name "Dreamweaver"). You'll also notice that in the beginning of the fight in the video, one of the characters (Red XIII) said that "it's an illusion".
I don't think they hired any orchestras for FF7R, at least according to the OST's credits. They hired multiple strings groups and other individual musicians as well as the Philharmonic Chorus of Tokyo. Regarding which specific groups and musicians performed for this track, we don't know since it's not specified.
@@emperorpalpatine4953 I see that Emperor Palpatine has good taste
The dynamic music is so fun in this game. It keeps up with the player's pace. So yeah in this case it feels kind of dragged out during each phase to match how they're playing. But when you're actually in control, it can fly by when you're focusing on so many things at once.
It starts a bit slow and somber here, as something quite critical happens to one of the main characters instigating this fight... And they're kind of in a anger/confusion/sadness state.
going from original -> the black mages version -> remake would have been perfect for this. We gotta get more of those versions of the song included in his reactions
man when i play that fight, they injected just a touch more of the original them in every phase. Then you get to the last phase and that beat kicks in, i nearly wept with happiness, absolute masterpiece
Nearly? I was defenseless haha. Totally overwhelmed.
“I forgot what the song sounded like.”
Bro you about to remember lol.
Amazing breakdown, the whole video was a treat
You were not really hearing "Final Fantasy VII Remake - Jenova", but a gameplay of the fight.
What that does is that phase 1 and 2 will last until the player reaches phase 3. The game dynamically changes the music on the fly. I don't know if there is a offical score avilable somewhere where the timing is not up to the player playing the game and instead what the composer thought "correct".
So, Nobuo Uematsu's metal band that plays Final Fantasy covers called Black Mages is a thing...
Late comment, but I really love how the remake expands and plays with these classic pieces of video game music. I was exited to hear each track on my first play after hearing the first boss theme in remake and I was never disappointed.
Man when you get to play this game it’s gunna be a good time, so much music to appreciate in this game, and it’s also a lot of fun. Can’t wait
Got to hit your limit break at 2:16 with cloud so the zoom in and pan around him while the pink energy thing and the associated cool sound effect pop off. Every time i hear this part of the song i see the omnislash animation in my mind
One of the moments that made me stand up when that 3rd phase dropped. Another one i can remember was from Doom 2016, when that choir drops on the track Damnation, while you're fighting the barons of hell.
Game music can be fucking amazing.
I actually feel like Part 1 of Jenova Quickening is slower and more melodramatic because it gives the player a bit of time to process what happened in the scenes before this fight. You’re supposed to think “Sephiroth didn’t run his sword through that guy… and then he got up from it… and we meet Sephiroth here?!?!? And now we’re fighting Jenova?!?!? Why the hell is she here?!?!?!” *head explodes*
In Part 2, it feels like the music is just adding that the fight is progressing, the strings and the higher key gives a sort of hope, but it’s still whimsical and even dire. It’s just the right amount of spice to keep the player focused on the fight.
Many mention that Parts 1 and 2 are a sort of build up to Part 3’s nostalgia-bomb payoff, which is almost a perfect cover of the original Jenova theme. I felt when I played FF7R that the entire chapter in this part of the game is a buildup to this particular fight and especially Part 3 of Jenova Dreamweaver, and that downward scale to start Part 3 just comes and makes an old like me pause the game just to listen to this part and let the feelings from the OG FF7 wash all over me again.
To me, this chapter was easily the best part of FF7R simply because of the feeling the music Part 3 of the Jenova Dreamweaver fight gave me, and even more so because I had been getting little bites throughout this chapter and then how Parts 1 and 2 teased me. Makino left the best for last here to build anticipation. That end of the strings transitioning into the Stranger Things-style downward scale still gives me goosebumps.
FF7 Remake was my first Final Fantasy (other than 14, which isn't singleplayer), so I know you'll enjoy it even as a new player to the series.
It is epic that they built it up for dramatic effect but you are right. When I listen to this track I skip to phase 3. This theme is one of the most awesome boss battle themes ever and they hit us with pillows for 6 minutes before bringing in the train. I wanted to be hit with the music train like in the original!!! Lol I was bopping to the song before the fight even loaded and then went wait... Oh this is all unexpectedly chill. 🤔
In the context of the game, it was pretty cool. But they held back their punches on that theme and I would have preferred the old school feeling of "OH GOD I'm about to get whooped! Let's go! 🤩"
I'm a little late for the party here, but on the subject of the build-up structure, that fits perfectly in the game, see: FFVII Remake has this thing (especially in hard mode) where the fight itself has its build-up, where you are fighting a boss, and you gotta be methodical with when to use your abilities and limits, so by the third phase of JENOVA, you already probably have an idea of her attack patterns and probably have one or two limits ready to unleash, and you wanna be aggressive, so the original theme kicks in the right moment, where you spend it all to fight it and see it down. It is so good that it makes the later bosses way lackluster if compared, and you even fight Sephiroth itself later on, but it just doesn't deliver as Jenova does.
Some people have probably already explained it but the songs have their actual length but will change accordingly to the battle. So let's say if you get to a second phase, the song will tailor accordingly and get to the part it should play during that phase. Many games do this but it's really insanely good with how FF7 Remake managed to do this so seamlessly without it being jarring at all.
Listen to 15:37, and you'll hear a section that might remind you of another popular boss theme from Final Fantasy VII.
oh shhiiiiiii
The fact that your reaction was like my own when I played through Remake says something about Dreamweaver. It's a slow burn, but a good one.
Also, if you are seriously going to stream/play this... I recommend playing the original first. Just saying
this soundtrack is good example is the best way to experience is by playing the game. not by listening. the music is tailored for gameplay moment. the music is change base on situation in the game. for this example it used with boss battle phases.
afterall, videogame music is designed to enhance the gameplay. the feels is different and multiplied the enjoyment when playing the game compared to only listening it without context.
original VII ost is a masterpiece
Something felt familiar (aside from the remake music) listening to this. Then you said it sounded like Sonic music and I realised that there are similar passages in the Mephiles theme from Sonic 06! (Great theme btw, I recommend listening to it!)
I just experienced this battle (and this version of the music) yesterday. Almost finished remake.
I'm glad that the music I recommended recently came out! the song 'Valkyrie' is also very cool, so please listen to it!
Ah, Keiki Kobayashi is an amazing composer as well! He brought a strong influence from his Ace Combat songs. Awesome song! I'd love for Jesse to listen to it!
One of the ways I think about the difference between this and Airbuster is that Airbuster takes the recognizable parts of the original theme as Phase 1 and then builds on it whereas Jenova takes the original as the final phase and builds up to it (and then I guess OWA does a bit of both). My hope is that one of the next parts of remake gives us another Jenova that gives it the Airbuster treatment where the subsequent phases feel like "sequels" to the original theme.
Another thing I will say for Jenova though is that there were a number of remixes of Jenova since the original in things like Advent Children and Dissidia that in my opinion (and I think a lot of others) didn't quite capture the techno/alien feel of the original completely. To me Phase 3 hit so hard because it was like, after 23 years, "Finally - THIS is what a new version of Jenova should sound like!"
We will def get different themes of Jenova throughout the parts(2 and 3) but I do wonder how they will build up the songs.
Hey man I saw your listen to Apocalypsis Noctis from FFXV, I think you should give Apocalypsis Magnatus (my favorite version from the game) since you asked "is Noctis a boss?" and to answer that yes he is, and he easily has the best theme in the entire game, with his father Regis in very close second.
Yes! I've suggested Magnatus before!
09:00 "That melody sounds so familiar" It is the original scale of Jenova, just with the notes in a different order no?
Also, the original did have phases as well, but they were different tracks "Birth of a God" and "Jenova Absolute"
I was thinking the Stranger Things theme lol
@@JessesAuditorium agree, also similar to final fantasy "prelude" too
Hey Jessie, I already saw your video for the Airbuster and One Winged Angel, but never saw for Jenova. Yes your right, Jenova theme for the original is very good I still like it. When you were listening to the remake version, I was telling to my self ''wait for phase 3, you're gonna be stunned''. Whene phase 3 started, I saw you face changed fixing the web cam for maybe 5 seconds LoL. I was lauging a lot. In the remake version, when theme goes faster, that's my favorite part of the song.
You raised an interesting question. Which came first, the boss battle or the music. You'll come to understand the music came first when you play the game. This game does a beautiful job of using music to carry it through epic moments of triumph and sad moments of loss.
Must admit it's quite funny how long it feels in the game and how more balanced in the actual record. When got a chance I bought digital album of final fantasy vii remake and J-E-N-O-V-A Quickening is a lot shorter than this. Actual record is 6 min and 20 sec and actual jenova song starts at 4 min. And tbh since it's been a while when I heard it, I forgot it had that orchestra part. Thought I never heard it even tho I did. 😂
I always viewed Phase 1 & 2 themes as intentional teases for the people that played the original FF7 and Phase 3 is supposed to be the pay off.
There's an AC version of JENOVA theme. That's the electric guitar version from the movie.
Gonna check it out live for new years tonight!
@@JessesAuditorium Sweet! Happy new year!
I do not pretend to understand it but Alex Moukalas analeze is amasing with key changes and jenova being a desiver/shapeshifing entety, its amazing that composers can integrate so mutch of a boss/charecter into the music, its like when i found out Dark Souls last boss Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight and Cinder and Gwyn the light/white, his piano boss theam is only played on the white keys on the piano, sutch a upscure thing but so integral to the charecter.
extra: BTW if you are playing this as your first FF game id strongly recomend playing the original FF7 Remasterd story first on ps4/pc first, youl get quite alot more out of FF7 remake by doing that in all ways posebul, strongly recomend it.
Going into a sequel as your first FF, bold strat cotton.
Totally agree. I thought the same thing when I played
Fitting theme for a shape shifting alien. So many key changes, but with an ethereal, dreamlike, but tense overtone
Jenova's theme is a mixture of 3 themes, Shinra's theme, One winged Angel and Sephiroths.
Watching these again in anticipation for Rebirth
happy new year this is an awesome song to end it. can't wait
for more and I would defiantly suggest whims of fate from persona five
This track is one of the best tracks in the game in my personal opinion. It was amazing back in the original, it was amazing in Advent Children, and it only got better in Remake. It also helped that a certain [spoiler-free] character partook in the fight. Whenever you get around to playing this masterpiece of a game, better believe I'll be watching it.
I don't know if you can still take music suggestions, but if you can, maybe try "Capricious Wind" from Dynasty warriors 8 and "The Salvation" from Dynasty warriors 7. The composer for this series is like godlike, and Capricious Wind is like a big mashup of the themes of the three faction that are in war with each other.
Either way, love your reactions, currently watching all of them and in someway, vibing with you !
📣 Happy New year's 📣
Also, "Hopeful Pain" from DW8. It's the best WZP theme which really depicts the Shu's situation at the time.
@@RoyWirapati yeah so much good music in these games that I can't name all of them 🥺
FFVII Jenova's theme brings back memories but I really preferred the AC Version it's soo good!
The actual track isn’t really that long, I think it’s like 6 or 7 minutes. The buildup isn’t quite that long because of that.
It's what was sent to me, I liked it regardless. Kinda grew on me.
@@JessesAuditorium Well that’s what’s most important I suppose :)
I love how this starts slow and very different from the original, and then slowly morphs into the way we all remember it by phase 3 XD
It’s also important to note; in the album version of this remake track, it’s boiled down to about 7 minutes. This video shows the full boss fight, though the track is compartmentalized to flow with phases which happen based on the skill/damage of the player.
The 6/7 minute version feels much better paced to listen to, though in the boss fight feels perfectly normal to be this extended during gameplay.
The intro to the first stage of JENOVA dreamweaver reminds me of Basil Poleudoris with the strings.
I believe it is because the fight itself was in phases so was the music so when the next phase of the fight is reached the music shifted as well
I'd like to recommend you a song called "the Edge of Soul", from the opening of Soul Blade
that fight and music is so memorable. you are terrified of the boss because he looks scary and does damage but at the same time the music is so calming in the last phase its truly surreal. The OG game.
The remix just seems like its all watered down.
It may be watered down for now, but if they put this much heart and soul into the first installment of what will likely be at least 3, I wonder just how epic the final fights will be...
I like that you heard the original first I think it makes the remake better.
For me this version brought huge hype. But I have to admit they tricked me. When everything started I did not immediately recognize the Kenosha theme, only after did I see that they had the theme only more slowed down. When the high speed one came I realized though, everything was leading up to this. A battle of nightmare only for it to escalate into survival. A wonderful version of the Theme, that phrase 3 is my favorite Jenova version yet
I saw you reacted to the Solstice theme! One of Tim Follin's best tunes. I would love to see more of your reactions to more of his. I would suggest the Beach theme from Plok to be te next one, that's a pretty awesome tune!
I have Plok and Pictionary from him coming!
@@JessesAuditorium Wonderful!!
Another great game with a phenomenal soundtrack for both games is Risk of Rain. The one I suggest is from Risk of Rain 2 called " The Rain Formerly Known as Purple"
Hey just a friendly heads up. FF7 remake isn't a 1 to 1 remake. It's actually a continuation of the original story, or maybe a parallel? I don't want to get too specific about it for the sake of spoilers.
It isn't necessary to play the original to enjoy the remake; you might want to look for a brief synopsis of FF7 original and Advent Children.
If you want to catch the full nuance of the differences in the plot, and some of the ways they changed the story telling process if not the actual story? The best way would be to play FF7 through, read or watch some analysis of the storytelling. Then do the same for Advent Children. Maybe even read/watch some stuff on Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus.
Yeah, it goes pretty deep. However you want to take the journey, welcome to the FF7 fandom.
I agree with your assessment on this one. I Absolutely love the original Jenova theme, but the remake version just didn't do it for me. I was honestly confused during the fight wondering why they took all the energy out of the track. Even when it does finally get going, the boss is at like 25% hp and you don't even hear it very long. Excited to watch your play through though! There's a lot of lesser talked about tracks that are a treat to listen to.
I'll say this about the fight, it's meant to loop for each phase, so you heard it longer because -they- took long to beat those phases. But it's a fight where if you know what you're doing, phase 1 is done in under a minute, phase 2 about a minute or 2, and phase 3 will be the long one but only up to 3-4 minutes.
'fun' fact: Dreamweaver was actually spoiled in a trailer for the game's 'theme song', but in game she was really cool, but yes, she's Very Hard at first lol. The music is very strange, as it's a 'softer' version than you expect as a long time fan, and I imagine even as a newer fan you look at the boss and you're like 'oh, this doesnt seem right'. Then of course the older theme shows up with the orchestral backing and wham!
The original game has four versions of Jenova, and the music for Dreamweaver makes me think more of the last of those, but I don't know if that's just me. In the original both her and Sephiroth don't show up until much later! (I get that it's not easy to do so when the games are over 30 hours long each but if you get the opportunity, i recommend playing the original too sometime. Good luck with your playthrough of Remake!)
There will be different versions of Jenova and I don't know how they will make those songs, but I am eagerly awaiting the next installment.
Advent Children version is dope too
They probably hired the Tokyo Philharmonic Orchestra, I think they have done that before. Or maybe some session orchestra? The booklet credits the orchestra's musicians individually but doesn't say which orchestra they are from.
It does say the choir is the Philharmonic Chorus of Tokyo though.
When the build up came I died just to redo and hear everything again. I cried the whole fight happily lol