It’s good to see surge of TH-cam fitness influencers coming along and telling the truth, that getting big and strong takes years of hard ass grueling work, rather than lying to people, telling them that they can reach all their strength and aesthetic goals doing half kneeling cable twists with a 30 second eccentric like most TH-cam fitness charlatans do.
@@spartacus7081 Where did I say anything about taking gear? Also, guys who take gear are the ones who do all the high rep pump work because it pumps the androgens they injected into their muscles. Natural guys are the ones who actually have to bring the intensity to force bodily adaptations to make gains. Most of the guys pushing the lightweight pump work are the ones on gear.
when I was 38, I was doing (for me ) heavy Dead lifts and power cleans. 350-400 Dls, close to 200 lb cleans. Visited Germany where I had played basketball 12 years earlier. I stand 5, 8" tall. I was playing basket ball with my old team mates. I was really close to dunking, bouncing the ball off the rim, my hand over the rim. All from those two exercises. It was like magic. Now that I'm 60, I'd like to progress in some of these exercises again and get some real old man strength. On that same trip I brought one of my neighbors. He's about 6' 2", abut 40 lbs heavier than me and an ex basketball player. He was amazed at how strong I was. I was pushing him around under the basket. He told me I did a little wrist grab on him under the boards and almost pulled him over. I didn't even realize I had done it. Yes, these exercises make you Stupid Strong!
Hater Row; basically a Pendlay Row with some body English. I like this, usually I try to keep my core tight and have minimal movement. I can see how that bit of knee extension and rock can help you move big weights. Anyone gives me grief I'm telling them Coach Miller told me! :)
yeah i was wondering if it was like a pendlay row. seems like pendlay is a bit more strict while hater row is what you might say, "controlled and purposeful cheat movement." will have to give it a try
Brilliant. Especially focusing on DB Press and DB Militaries. There is power in those unilateral movements. And, they're time efficient. I just grab to DB off the rack and go w/o loading and unloading the bar. ANd anything that gets me more value in less time is aces to the 59-year-old who is ALMOST back to his pre-COVID strength levels.
definitely one of the Best Videos I have ever seen from Garage Strength. Right to the point. There is nothing more effective than the good old basics and some variations like using Dumbbells from time to time 👍👍
Nice video...i'm 68 years old and after jumping out of airplanes and helicopters in my youth followed by being a competitive triathlete my knees are structurally compromised along with torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, but if I am very careful with form I can still do limited military presses, dead lifts, dumbell presses and squats...and the occasional clean, clean and jerk and snatch session. But these days i typically just do short 1 or 2 mile runs with some uphill sprints and pushups/bends and thrusts and mountain climbers and leg lifts along the way.
World class coaching Dane, appreciate you for making this free. I really like how you explained how getting strong takes years of doing basic shit consistently.
Haha that’s good to see! The Hater Row, for me that’s just my row. I’m glad someone is justifying it. I felt like it was hitting what I was trying to hit, my back, and as an accessory to my deadlift.
I like those old squat racks. You can do pretty much any exercise in them except the bench press, and you've got multiple bar catches that you don't have to adjust.
I agree on the long journey BUT!! I did go from a 190lb squat to a 465 lbs squat in about 11 months before. I hadn’t trained that heavy before and hadn’t trained in almost 20 years before that.
Added stability, but it's also largely personal preference. Some people find seated really uncomfortable and painful on the lower back. Give both a go and see what you like
Hello, I do combat sport as my main training so I usually just go to get strenght from gym with the golden three (squats, DL and bench). Latelly I have been using trap bar/hex bar way more as it feels much more easy with technique wise and it feels more in my legs. Also recovery feels faster. Is it ok to use trap bar regulary when powerlifting is not your main sport?
I like cycling between trap bar deadlifts and conventional deadlifts. When I'm done with my trap bar cycle, my conventional is stronger than it was before
Remember kids, develop better cardio-respiratory fitness first (before strength) so that you can quickly catch your breath between each set. Heart first, then strength. ❤️
Mr TonyBarbarino, with all due respect, i feel like your comment creates this false dichotomy, between "training for strength" and "being healthy", i absolutely agree that cardio is underappreciated by many and i myself do it 3 times per week, however from my experience, people these days are chasing this idea of "being functional" and "training for health" and "not overtraining" and whatnot and this results in huge % of gymgoers looking like they dont even lift. I dont disagree with your comment, however id put it different way; something like; "remember kids, you can build strength AND at the same time, build your cardio vascular health. Your strength training will not be negatively affected by this, exactly the opposite, your work capacity will go up and overall it will help you build more muscle, contrary to popular belief (this is true btw)" Have a good day
@@javarisjamarjavarison-lama2684It's just about phrasing it differently. There will never be a way to say the same thing that will be good for everybody. Even if by saying it like the first guy did you get a ton of people that look like they don't even lift, i'd rather have more healthy but skinny individuals than jacked unhealthy dudes.
I would argue that strength/resistance-based training does in fact massive good to the entire cardiovascular system, heart included. The idea that endurance/aerobic training is the only one that significantly improves cardiovascular function is definitely outdated.
Nothing is more fun than watching a heavy barbell fly into the air and you getting under it to catch it....that moment where the weight is weightless is both super cool and scary as hell.
Question, what would you call that type of rack at the beginning? I’d love to get one so I can do “drop sets” with squats. Just move to a higher pin every time you get close to failure.
Best thing about the clean is the variety you can use. Moderate weight for medium/high reps, from the hang, will add crazy grip strength as well as keep your core and posterior chain engaged. Jacks heart rate up too.
To me it seems like a hater row there is some knee and hip extension so the torso lifts slightly whereas less / no extension in a pendlay row so back stays more horizontal
The fact you put out so much free content that was $ worthy will keep me a client. (My wife as well). I promote the heck out of you and everything you offer. Very grateful and it’s obvious that you truly care about other’s success. You, sir are a rare breed.
Question - if my back hurts with high weight bearing, even if I use good form - I mean when I get over 60kg in deadlift or squat for example - what are alternatives for mass for lower body? I am thinking to incorporate more bulgarian squats, because of the weight bearing on one leg, even with 10kg in each hand I can get significatnly more stimulus for my working leg. Any more ideas? Thanks
Hey nice i never seen anybody demonstrate a pin squat i thought that rack was for different heights of short ppl im gonna do those they're like box squats
Do you mean front and back squat twice a week so doing two days a week with both a back and a front squat on the same day ? or four days alternating? Back, front , back, front
Coach D - Dude I went away for ahhhwhhile (Garage Strenght Athlete) but Damn you motivate the Hell out of me!!! thank you for being you!! Randy H. 5'9" 195 58 age M USMC PS I still have 4 yrs of College eligibility... LET'S GOOOO!!!
Can you do a video about how an off season programm should look like for fast paced team sport (basketball, handball etc) where you include strength workout, cardio and technique training (sport specific). Thanks in advance
clean, jerk, snatches are all you need. Nordic curls are nice. Pepper in other stuff just to keep it interesting. I would also put weighted pushups above bench press. Are there actually strength coaches saying not to do cleans? that's wild.
squats, deadlifts and power cleans should be your big lifts: split squats, weighted pullups/rows, overhead press for volume. if youve got atlas stones then all the better as odd lifts are great for building totap body strength especially in your legs-lower back, core and forearms, for conditioning go with medicine ball slams, sledghammer slams on a tire, tire flips, box jumps, sprints with resistance, bear crawls, sprawls
@@homersimpson1183 Thanks for your help brother, but I was referring to the technical part of Wrestling like Takedowns, Drills, Slams and etc... I noticed that I came to the wrong channel for this, this channel is only for strength and conditioning training for these types of sport haha. But thanks for the tips!
My lifting confessional is that I have never been able to do barbell rows very well and have had to rely on doing dumbbell rows. The kroc row articles on elitefts got me years ago. They were like I started doing these and I could pick up a full fridge of food and move it. I was like that is oddly specific. Then I started doing them 2-3 days a week and never looked back. Guess who never drops deadlifts in meets and does not have grip issues? Now I see guys strapping up to do 3/4 rep pullups in the gym. Its getting wild out here.
The hater row is just a modified pendlay row it looks like. But i like switching squat variations, did box squats for awhile and i just started zercher squats last week, and holy shit😅
You could make the argument if you can bench 450 you are already stupid strong. But on a serious note I think every compound done over a long time will make you incredibly jacked and strong. I prefer pull up, dip, row, squat and deadlift and I dont believe I am missing a thing.
Half the exercises are pulling from the floor, of which all are with a barbell. That's odd for this purpose. Furthermore, of the two upper body lifts, none of them are pulls. I find that wierd. So, what would I have done different? Firstly, some variant of squat, bench, and deadlift are great. That's three. Then I'd added the Clean&Jerk. The whole lift. If you dont kow how to jerk, well, do some kind og press or oush-press. It's different, it's moving less weight, but it works. Then I'd add chin-ups, which is a great exercise for overall upper body strength. And I'd add some wierd object to lift from the ground, and walk around with. Like a sandbag, a lawn-mower, or something. Pick it up, carry it around. As the last lift.
if I were 14 again I'd learn to clean, at 35 ankle mobility, knee tendon soreness and inability to catch all tell me it isn't worth the investment. Snatches are so much healthier.
If you just do clean ( and snatch ) high pulls you will gain many of the benefits of full cleans/snatches without a lot of the stress. I’m 59 and still at it, but warmups and going by feel is critical.
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I'm already stupid. Just need to get strong now. Thanks for the tips!
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Dude,by the look of it you already are pretty strong...
Gotta put emphasis on stupidity now and you'll be alright.
I was literally about to comment “got the first part” hahaha
@@milosmilosevic9810 appreciate the wholesome response, comrade!
It's good that you've got 1 of the 2. At least you're quarter of the way there. Like me
Currently 90% stupid
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The math is mathing
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Comment of the day right here 😂
LOL.. holy shit im using this on a shirt
squat-deadlift-weighted dips-weighted pull ups-farmers carries-"military press/row"
This is great exercises
I was looking for this comment 😁
So glad you said dips instead of bench press. Ty lol.
strongly agree
That’s all I’ve been doing for 10 years and some bench press cuz it just feels good type exercise after crushing the bench
It’s good to see surge of TH-cam fitness influencers coming along and telling the truth, that getting big and strong takes years of hard ass grueling work, rather than lying to people, telling them that they can reach all their strength and aesthetic goals doing half kneeling cable twists with a 30 second eccentric like most TH-cam fitness charlatans do.
Lol
Hell yeah
TH-cam fitness influencers are fake, and he's definitely not one of them because he actually has the knowledge
You can if you are prepared to shorten your life and take shit loads of gear but no thanks
@@spartacus7081 Where did I say anything about taking gear? Also, guys who take gear are the ones who do all the high rep pump work because it pumps the androgens they injected into their muscles. Natural guys are the ones who actually have to bring the intensity to force bodily adaptations to make gains. Most of the guys pushing the lightweight pump work are the ones on gear.
This is fitness wisdom. Too many want microwave results. But the athletes we admire have been at it for years, through consistency and discipline.
when I was 38, I was doing (for me ) heavy Dead lifts and power cleans. 350-400 Dls, close to 200 lb cleans. Visited Germany where I had played basketball 12 years earlier. I stand 5, 8" tall. I was playing basket ball with my old team mates. I was really close to dunking, bouncing the ball off the rim, my hand over the rim. All from those two exercises. It was like magic. Now that I'm 60, I'd like to progress in some of these exercises again and get some real old man strength. On that same trip I brought one of my neighbors. He's about 6' 2", abut 40 lbs heavier than me and an ex basketball player. He was amazed at how strong I was. I was pushing him around under the basket. He told me I did a little wrist grab on him under the boards and almost pulled him over. I didn't even realize I had done it. Yes, these exercises make you Stupid Strong!
thankyou mr. Garage Strength, now i am 75% stupid and 35% strong, i will keep on track
Deadlifts - Squats - weighted pull ups - heavy sb get ups - weighted dips - push press
Basically compound lifts, I love this.
I totally agree with you, i am a home workouter several months ago I change my mind to bulid strength and power instead of building muscle.
Love these videos! Great information! I turn 61 in 2 weeks, I will be back in the 405 club for the bench, dead lift and squat! I appreciate the info!
Hater Row; basically a Pendlay Row with some body English. I like this, usually I try to keep my core tight and have minimal movement. I can see how that bit of knee extension and rock can help you move big weights. Anyone gives me grief I'm telling them Coach Miller told me! :)
💯
yeah i was wondering if it was like a pendlay row. seems like pendlay is a bit more strict while hater row is what you might say, "controlled and purposeful cheat movement." will have to give it a try
I loooove pendlay rows. Horse that iron off the floor every rep. They turn into hater rows when you get heavy 😅
It's explosive. I believe Explosive exercises are generally better anyway
Brilliant. Especially focusing on DB Press and DB Militaries. There is power in those unilateral movements. And, they're time efficient. I just grab to DB off the rack and go w/o loading and unloading the bar. ANd anything that gets me more value in less time is aces to the 59-year-old who is ALMOST back to his pre-COVID strength levels.
definitely one of the Best Videos I have ever seen from Garage Strength. Right to the point. There is nothing more effective than the good old basics and some variations like using Dumbbells from time to time 👍👍
1000 Tons shows a great perspective about total work done.
Also, realistic time frames for progress.
Awesome video.
Nice video...i'm 68 years old and after jumping out of airplanes and helicopters in my youth followed by being a competitive triathlete my knees are structurally compromised along with torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders, but if I am very careful with form I can still do limited military presses, dead lifts, dumbell presses and squats...and the occasional clean, clean and jerk and snatch session. But these days i typically just do short 1 or 2 mile runs with some uphill sprints and pushups/bends and thrusts and mountain climbers and leg lifts along the way.
I ran track in college and Cleans also really helped my 60, 100 and 200 meter sprint times.
World class coaching Dane, appreciate you for making this free. I really like how you explained how getting strong takes years of doing basic shit consistently.
Zercher squats, Zercher deadlift, weighted pull ups,weighted dips,push press,seal rows
Also all indispensable! You'd be a monster grappler with that combo...and thrower.
I haven't seen many of this fellows videos but I like the fact that he's willing to rethink things or change it up
I've seen dozens of videos talking about 'military' press and haven't seen single one. I remember what it was.
Amazing video thank you so much 🙏🏽
Haha that’s good to see! The Hater Row, for me that’s just my row. I’m glad someone is justifying it. I felt like it was hitting what I was trying to hit, my back, and as an accessory to my deadlift.
I like those old squat racks. You can do pretty much any exercise in them except the bench press, and you've got multiple bar catches that you don't have to adjust.
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Thanks Sir! Great video! ❤️
I agree on the long journey BUT!! I did go from a 190lb squat to a 465 lbs squat in about 11 months before. I hadn’t trained that heavy before and hadn’t trained in almost 20 years before that.
That's impressive.
Great video. One quesvtion what is the advantage to do seated military press vs. stanfing military press? Thank you.
Legs can’t help you while seated
Added stability, but it's also largely personal preference. Some people find seated really uncomfortable and painful on the lower back. Give both a go and see what you like
Amazing tips obrigado sensei!
Much respect for the Big L shirt 💯
Thought I was the only one who noticed
Incredible
Sir, those rows have a name. Lol the good ol Pendlay Row, I definitely love em. I can vouch for the effectiveness
I only pendlay row that horsing it off the floor every rep is so good
I just want to become stupid.
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Drink a bottle of vodka before doing any of the stuff.
You already are😂
@@davidharcot220 but not enough
wanne be stupid, do not believe in God..
I personally do weighted pull ups/dips, OHP, rows and squats, its all it takes for me
Hello, I do combat sport as my main training so I usually just go to get strenght from gym with the golden three (squats, DL and bench). Latelly I have been using trap bar/hex bar way more as it feels much more easy with technique wise and it feels more in my legs. Also recovery feels faster. Is it ok to use trap bar regulary when powerlifting is not your main sport?
yeah, it's alright bro
I like cycling between trap bar deadlifts and conventional deadlifts. When I'm done with my trap bar cycle, my conventional is stronger than it was before
Im already half way there coach! Now I just have to get strong.
Whats your thoughts on barbell shoudler press instead of db shoudler press
Remember kids, develop better cardio-respiratory fitness first (before strength) so that you can quickly catch your breath between each set. Heart first, then strength. ❤️
1000% 👍
I will avoid cardio just to spite you
Mr TonyBarbarino, with all due respect, i feel like your comment creates this false dichotomy, between "training for strength" and "being healthy", i absolutely agree that cardio is underappreciated by many and i myself do it 3 times per week, however from my experience, people these days are chasing this idea of "being functional" and "training for health" and "not overtraining" and whatnot and this results in huge % of gymgoers looking like they dont even lift.
I dont disagree with your comment, however id put it different way; something like; "remember kids, you can build strength AND at the same time, build your cardio vascular health. Your strength training will not be negatively affected by this, exactly the opposite, your work capacity will go up and overall it will help you build more muscle, contrary to popular belief (this is true btw)"
Have a good day
@@javarisjamarjavarison-lama2684It's just about phrasing it differently. There will never be a way to say the same thing that will be good for everybody.
Even if by saying it like the first guy did you get a ton of people that look like they don't even lift, i'd rather have more healthy but skinny individuals than jacked unhealthy dudes.
I would argue that strength/resistance-based training does in fact massive good to the entire cardiovascular system, heart included. The idea that endurance/aerobic training is the only one that significantly improves cardiovascular function is definitely outdated.
Nothing is more fun than watching a heavy barbell fly into the air and you getting under it to catch it....that moment where the weight is weightless is both super cool and scary as hell.
My last rep or two of deadlift when I let out that good grunt straight from the gut. Love that shit
Question, what would you call that type of rack at the beginning? I’d love to get one so I can do “drop sets” with squats. Just move to a higher pin every time you get close to failure.
Talk about mobility for us crippled old weightlifters
Best thing about the clean is the variety you can use. Moderate weight for medium/high reps, from the hang, will add crazy grip strength as well as keep your core and posterior chain engaged. Jacks heart rate up too.
2:48 is that B&W 801 speakers in the back?
4:10 whats the difference between a hater row and a pendlay row?
To me it seems like a hater row there is some knee and hip extension so the torso lifts slightly whereas less / no extension in a pendlay row so back stays more horizontal
I call it a power row, it uses abit of momentum, work wonders
My favorite exercises great!!
The fact you put out so much free content that was $ worthy will keep me a client. (My wife as well). I promote the heck out of you and everything you offer. Very grateful and it’s obvious that you truly care about other’s success. You, sir are a rare breed.
Does the bench press still count if you launch the bar off your ribs?
No
Count for what? As a variation to develop strength? Yes. For your team's max out? Probably whatever your coach says.
Weighted pullups and dips. Sprints. Plyometric training. Nordic leg curls.
Respect for the Big L shirt, these kids don't know!! One of the best taken way too soon
Question - if my back hurts with high weight bearing, even if I use good form - I mean when I get over 60kg in deadlift or squat for example - what are alternatives for mass for lower body? I am thinking to incorporate more bulgarian squats, because of the weight bearing on one leg, even with 10kg in each hand I can get significatnly more stimulus for my working leg. Any more ideas? Thanks
Hey nice i never seen anybody demonstrate a pin squat i thought that rack was for different heights of short ppl im gonna do those they're like box squats
Thank you so much Sir.
I’d honestly would add weighted chin-ups/pull ups and weighted dips, then it’s perfect
What's your workout plan for your Calf muscles
can you use an underhand grip with the hater row for a variation?
sir Bent Over Rows or pull-ups which one in better?
Do you mean front and back squat twice a week so doing two days a week with both a back and a front squat on the same day ?
or four days alternating? Back, front , back, front
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thank you for being you!!
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How long to get to 400lbs squat for a 55yo? I can do good technical full squats not heavy though
Can you do a video about how an off season programm should look like for fast paced team sport (basketball, handball etc) where you include strength workout, cardio and technique training (sport specific). Thanks in advance
Love the T shirt
I like the power clean better than the deadlifts
Snatch grip deadlift and military press ❤
if you're not pretty much doing all these things already then are you even lifting?...
pleased to see those metal plates on your videos
I wish the local high school strength coaches would do more like this.
Best video ever
@garagestrength you said in some video to only focus on Front Squat and incline benchpress? Why isn't Front Squat included now? :o
clean, jerk, snatches are all you need. Nordic curls are nice. Pepper in other stuff just to keep it interesting. I would also put weighted pushups above bench press. Are there actually strength coaches saying not to do cleans? that's wild.
Absolutely
Hey man, do you have a tip for putting together a solo wrestling workout? I love art but there are no academies for it in my country, thank you.
squats, deadlifts and power cleans should be your big lifts: split squats, weighted pullups/rows, overhead press for volume. if youve got atlas stones then all the better as odd lifts are great for building totap body strength especially in your legs-lower back, core and forearms, for conditioning go with medicine ball slams, sledghammer slams on a tire, tire flips, box jumps, sprints with resistance, bear crawls, sprawls
@@homersimpson1183 Thanks for your help brother, but I was referring to the technical part of Wrestling like Takedowns, Drills, Slams and etc... I noticed that I came to the wrong channel for this, this channel is only for strength and conditioning training for these types of sport haha. But thanks for the tips!
do these exercises gonna help me in greco roman wrestling?
the rows are called Pendlay rosso or Rubish rosso, after Pete Rubish
"Hater Rows" are more popularly known as "pendlay rows"
I love pendlay rows man they turn into hater rows when you get real heavy 😅
Pendlay rows are stricter tho
Someone reply to this in 3 to 5 years and ask me my maxes.
Current lifts are DL160kg BP90kg OHP65kg SQ120
How odd would it be if I hit 500 pounds on the squat within a year?
Is that front squat or back squat twice a week? Or both?
My lifting confessional is that I have never been able to do barbell rows very well and have had to rely on doing dumbbell rows. The kroc row articles on elitefts got me years ago. They were like I started doing these and I could pick up a full fridge of food and move it. I was like that is oddly specific. Then I started doing them 2-3 days a week and never looked back. Guess who never drops deadlifts in meets and does not have grip issues? Now I see guys strapping up to do 3/4 rep pullups in the gym. Its getting wild out here.
ive got the freak part and the stupid part now to get strong
My biggest problem is I’m 28% body fat. When I bulked I lifted like crazy and it feels so good, I hate cutting
Hmm, I thought the hater row was just called the dead-stop barbell row. But I'll keep doing them regardless of what they're called.
The hater row is just a modified pendlay row it looks like. But i like switching squat variations, did box squats for awhile and i just started zercher squats last week, and holy shit😅
I can't clean using a barbell, are kettlebells okay?
KBs are good. Check out Dan John's ABC protocol to get some good cleans in.
Give us some tips for athletes 35+ please
I also like loaded carries.
Totally true.
You could make the argument if you can bench 450 you are already stupid strong. But on a serious note I think every compound done over a long time will make you incredibly jacked and strong. I prefer pull up, dip, row, squat and deadlift and I dont believe I am missing a thing.
Cool video I enjoyed it
Can I still do those exercises when I already maxed out at being stupid?
Late congratulations on the 700 odd lbs deadlift also great video
But I don't want to get stupid
Don't worry you already are
😂
My main problems :
1) bad form in deadlift
2) still can squat at 100kg
Feel so weak
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Half the exercises are pulling from the floor, of which all are with a barbell. That's odd for this purpose. Furthermore, of the two upper body lifts, none of them are pulls. I find that wierd.
So, what would I have done different? Firstly, some variant of squat, bench, and deadlift are great. That's three. Then I'd added the Clean&Jerk. The whole lift. If you dont kow how to jerk, well, do some kind og press or oush-press. It's different, it's moving less weight, but it works. Then I'd add chin-ups, which is a great exercise for overall upper body strength. And I'd add some wierd object to lift from the ground, and walk around with. Like a sandbag, a lawn-mower, or something. Pick it up, carry it around. As the last lift.
🔥the Big L shirt. Informative video
The "hater row" is what I've known as a deadlift row. A lot of body English to produce power.
100% agree
if I were 14 again I'd learn to clean, at 35 ankle mobility, knee tendon soreness and inability to catch all tell me it isn't worth the investment. Snatches are so much healthier.
If you just do clean ( and snatch ) high pulls you will gain many of the benefits of full cleans/snatches without a lot of the stress. I’m 59 and still at it, but warmups and going by feel is critical.