7:30 + 16:00 Don't forget Ralph says "the happiest place on earth" has already been copyrighted, and Disney filed for that Copyright in August 1998. (More evidence below) 13:09 Copelia turns 12 "next month". However, being born in december 1986 means the recording is probably from 1987. 😆 Meaning this backs up "listening to 1987 recording in 1998".
It could just be a mistake by the author, after all there is a 100% real mistake on the author's part. Ralph says Coppelia has never been to Freddy’s on the very same paragraph where he says Coppelia had just been born, but he also says he brought her there for her birthday and she threw up. Plus the minimum wage by 1996 was $5 an hour, more than Mike’s $4 an hour even after Social Security Tax and Medicare.
@Nguyenzander fair enough point. Although it DOES feel weird that TSE (1995) and the Movie (2000) happen AFTER the "early 1990s era", yet they are SEMI-adaptations of Fnaf 1. (And now the week before possibly happens BETWEEN those time periods?) And plus, why would phone Guy think the line was copyrighted years before it ACTUALLY was? (He does say he tried pitching it as a slogan for Fazbear's, but it got copyrighted) For copelia going to Freddy's, it goes "I didn't take her to Freddy's especially on Bring your Child to work days" and then correcting himself "then there WAS that one time she went and never went again". Could just be he forgot, but this copyright is him using future knowledge (if it's before 1998).
Another relatively new detail that supports 1998 is Fall Fest. If Fredbear's starts in or around 1979 when that one Fall Fest takes place, (and it burns down and they need to do something else like open a restaurant) and the animatronics originate at Fall Fest that would align basically perfectly with the "20 years" Ralph gives us because that would be 19 years which he would easily round up to 20
I really like this detail of Fredbears possibly starting in 1979 especially because that’s the year in the Secret of the Mimic trailer and it’s heavily speculated that Jackie was there alongside Fredbear and Spring Bonnie. However the only rebuttal I have is that in the DLC of Help Wanted 1, we see Fall Fest ‘83 meaning there were more Fall Fests after ‘79. In Help Wanted 2, we get the poster of Fall Fest 1970. If the animatronics originate at Fall Fest, and the year of FNAF 1 really is 1998, they would have been singing and dancing for closer to 30 years.
Was just watching GTLive and had this realization. Is it possible the FNAF 3 minigame “Follow Me” is not only showing William Afton going back to Freddy’s for more remnant, but also a metaphor for him getting the children to follow him far enough away for him to attack and kill them. And the reason we see a purple Freddy suit… because purple guy actually used the fredbear suit… the one that killed his son, to lure and kill the kids from the MCI and the camera footage shows Henry’s suit doing to the kidnapping… which is why Henry is convicted. Because while yes Henry played Fredbear, Afton founded Fredbears and Henry was at Chicas Party World. Both suits are probably very special to Afton. He might kill in both suits. Which also means all 3 Afton men, Dave during the bite of ‘83, Micheal during night 4 of SL, and Willam during the biggest event of the series… the Missing Children Incident…have been inside the Fredbear suit. (If dual process theory is correct about SL Night 4)
The issue with 1998 is the fact that minimum wage was rised to $5.15 per hour in 1997. So it is either not a correct date or somehow Fazbear Entertainment cheats Mike that they pay him below the minimum wage.
At the end of the fnaf franchise Scott should make a final fnaf book that confirms everything such as are the books canon, which timeline is right and what mysteries still need answers.
Coppelia is 11, but we're told that her birthday is next month (so December), so when it comes to calculating her birth year it would really be 12 years before the year of FNAF1 - if she turns 12 in December '93 then she would be born in December '81, and so on.
Copelia IS born around 12 years before Fnaf 1. BUT, since it's December, that means that the recording was most likely made the following year. So it SHOULD be fine saying the recording was 11 years before. It's if people say Copelia's birthday was 11 years ago, and assume the recording was also 11 years ago. (If Copelia was born in December 1987, then assume the Rec is ALSO from 1987. It can only really be Copelia is 1986 and the rec is 1987, or Copelia is 1987 and the rec is 1988. You can't REALLY have both) Plus, Ralph says, "Copelia had just been born," meaning you'd have to accept the recording was from December, too. But I personally think the rec happened the following year.
15:07 1982 has also come up in the games before. Specifically in some FNAF 4 teasers. 83 might have been when the chain itself got going with multiple locations, but perhaps the first individual location opened in 1982.
5:00 even after the 8 hour timeline video people STILL tote this 1993 thing as if matpat didn't throw that date out of his ass cause of real life murders
People seemed to forget, or ignored, the reason why Matpat said that date; heck, going off the minimum wage rate comparison (which was nullified by Ralph stating in the book that Fazbear employees are paid more than minimum wage), Matpat gave a year range, and as you said, pulled '93 from it for that comparison.
4:34 - I looked into this a bit further and found something interesting. The way that MatPat got 1993 specifically is kinda strange; when he was looking at the minimum wage, he calculated the check based on how many hours we worked as the security guard and came up with 4.20, which falls in the minimum wage range of the years 1992 and 1996. But the only reason he stuck with 1993 was because he linked it to a string of real-life murders that happened in 1993 at a Chuck E Cheese. I don't know if this changes anything, but it could give a new perspective.
@@childish4487 >it would make sense for the 5th night to be on a friday. Unfortunately, FNAF 2 sees this sense and spits on it. Also really? "Friday the 12th", in a Horror Game? When the previous game distinctly uses Friday the 13th? :V >1993 is the only year in that range that has november on a friday Correction, *1992* is. 1993 does NOT have a Friday the 13th.
FNAF takes place in a world very similar to our own, therefore Pikmin or a game similar to it probably exists there. At the same time, Pikmin takes place in the far future, in a planet that's heavily implied to be Earth after humanity went extinct and the remaining species living on it evolved, therefore, it's entirely possible that Five Nights At Freddy's exists in the Pikmin World, either as a game, or as true events forgotten by time.
I never agreed with the minimum wage argument, because it assumes that Fazbear's is paying their employees minimum wage. They could be payed less or more than that (more than likely it's less given the state of the company at the time).
Exactly! I was about to comment, who is assuming this questionable company is paying minimum wage. I wouldn't put it past them to find a way to pay less.
@CottonCandySharks what they are saying is that minimum wage could be lower and that the security guards earn above minimum wage. This would mean the game is fhrther in the past.
There's a very important point you seem to be missing: the "original location" where the MCI took place and the FNAF 1 location are 100%, without a doubt, the same restaurant. The FNAF 1 building has a Springlock Saferoom and security doors (which Phone Guy refers to as outdated compared to the FNAF 2 building). Furthermore, Henry explicitly states that the FollowMe minigames (which as we know, took place after FNAF 1) were Purple Guy bringing the animatronics "back to a familiar place, back with familiar tricks", that being, of course, a reference to the 5 Missing Children Incident and how they were lured into the same room that Purple Guy eventually died in. Oh, also FazEnt is stated to be broke asf after FNAF 2. They wouldn't have the budget to build a new building, so they just reopened the original one
im glad someone pointed this out-- i thought the same thing. nothing wrong with it potentially being in 1998 (i think it's kinda cool to have a multitude of years to choose from), but we can't overlook the fact that fnaf 2 and 3 (the minigames) proves the fnaf 1 location was reopened, and *that's* what we're playing through in fnaf 1. or maybe i just misunderstood rye's whole theory lol
@@XDoFairiesHaveTailsX I think there is a misunderstanding here, yeah. Rye isn't proposing the buildings being different, just the year the game takes place.
I WOULD have agreed with this in the past but Into the Pit,in my opinion,makes more sense to be the original location. We see the possessed animatronics,after all. Not to mention the mill has trash from fnaf 6,which is likely built on Fredbear’s so the Into the pit location is actually close to Fredbear’s
Something i think is worth mentioning is Ralph states he’s bad with dates, so saying Freddy’s has been open for “20 years” could very well be an estimation on his part. Other than that, solid video
I love how Ralph saying that his recordings where edited is also a way for Scott to kind of fix little things in the older games that he wants changed for recent lore, shows how he is taking the series more seriously and how his writing has improved over the years, I'm really liking how the lore is starting to look more promissing and not so convoluted as in the past
Hey, good video I watched recently by The Unwithered Truth, he says that the game takes place in 1989, I personally think his theory was compelling so I recommend going and watching it.
_The Week Before_ shows us that Fazbear's work week is now Monday-Friday (Coppelia has school after each of the first five nights), so 1993 seems to line up best, in my opinion.
5:00 Except, again, that's not what the video actually said. Minimum Wage could be anywhere from 1991-1996 he said. And follows it up with "The real life shooting occured in 1993." Matpat never said 1993 based on minimum wage, just as part of his debunked FNAF 1 theory. In fact in his Fnaf 2 and FNAF 3 videos he sticks to just saying 'the 90s' for when 1 is set, he only brings up 1993 again in the FNAF 4 era when everyone else had picked it up and he presumbly just forget about how it started.
@@ryanprower4246 not for tipped positions (night guard definitely wouldn't be tipped but here in the US tips are counted as part of your wage therefore counting towards minimum wage)
There's a gap in that method that he gives about 1998 to be the right date with the 11 year method he used, it's the fact that we never hear that line in Night one in FNaF 2 when Phone guy was supposedly "young and naive", which he doesn't exactly sound in FNaF 2's date, in FNaF 2 he sounds a bit more jaded and he's more in the know of old yellow suits and such, so he wouldn't be that naive back in FNaF 2. FNaF 2's location was only open for one week before it got shut down due to the bite of '87, so that line from when he was "Young and naive" would have to have been from 1985. Plus I don't think FNaF 1 taking place in 1992 has a lack of evidence, it makes even more sense about minimum wage when you think about taxes, plus I just looked it up and it says that from 1991-1996 Minimum wage was $4.75 USD, so minimum wage evidence works for both 1992 and 1993, plus with the week-dates adding up to 1992, there isn't much evidence to say it isn't 1992.
Plus there's 2 more things that support 1992 that being the fact that the rule that allowed new workers to be payed under minimum wage in utah was removed in 1993 meaning it can't take place after that and in the real value code(survival logbook) the only date that works in the estimated timeframe for the date of the coupon/for $16 to equal $27 is 1992
Even more evidence: in twb, upon returning home on night 3, Ralph mentions how he hasn't taken his daughter to Freddy's since she was 7. If she's 11 now, 4 years ago would be 1988. But considering that she was born in December, her 7th birthday would be in 1987, a month after fnaf 2. Since Ralph is known to mix up dates a bit, it isn't too far fetched to say that he took her to the fnaf 2 location when she was six but miss remembered it as her being seven.
I feel like the RyeToast trapped in the backrooms is slowly being morphed into a Spamton-esque salesperson by the over-exposure of advertisements. I'm hoping that gets flanderized into something down the road lol I love this channel
The fact that Ralph is mentioning the death or dismemberment thing means this is after 2 at the absolute earlier. That tagline is specifically missing from the FNAF 2 Newspaper, and more importantly, it just doesn't make logical sense. Vanzolin's theory(which isn't exactly about the date, but covers similar ground) makes a huge point about how FNAF 2 was the first location to have guards attacked at night, and it was a brand new problem that they barely understood. No one prior to William the week before Jeremy had been attacked at night, and they didn't really understand the problem til FNAF 2 was basically over. It has to be after, probably when the FNAF 1 location first reopened in 88 or 89.
I mean there was the bite of 83 which also happened under Fazbear Entertainment as well, while he may have been one of the owner’s son- there still would’ve been lawsuits for emotional distress, it would caused distrust in Fazbear Entertainment as a company and would’ve still been a PR nightmare. Then you have the MCI in 1985, which could cover the death part but that wouldn’t even need to be involved because the bite of 83 alone would cause the company to go “hey, we are not responsible for any death or dismemberment” Not to mention there were likely springlock accidents other than William and even that could lead to lawsuits involving death and dismemberment So the policy might’ve been there all along but after everything that happens, this policy goes from only information that employees know to flat out admitting that “yeah we’re not responsible if you die or go missing”
@@kalkuttadrop6371 as I said, as these terrible things keep happening, I suspect they progressively started putting that disclaimer into the forefront and the bite of 87’ and the second string of missing kids was likely the final straw for them. Because throughout *FREDDY FAZBEAR’S* history, they’ve only really had one or two incidents that were under their brand. Anything from Fredbear’s could be argued against and swept under the rug as the fault of an entirely different management which FNAF 2 did confirm that there was an “original owner” which I suspect would be Henry or William in that context, unless there’s an entirely different party or third owner that we don’t know about and has taken the blame for all the things prior to Freddy Fazbear’s being established. Then again, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza was also using springlock costumes according to the training tapes in 3 so it’s definitely possible they had a few accidents here and there which likely led to a few lawsuits and that combined with missing kids could’ve led to the clause being formed in the first place (possibly as a solution to pull a Disney and use it whenever something wrong happens) But then the bite of 87’ happened and a second string of murders which were very public knowledge, they had police everywhere which very well could’ve led them to adding that disclaimer to their ads in case anyone wanted a job If you aren’t satisfied with that, There’s also a difference between 1 and 2 2 is a grand re-opening, so of course they’re gonna try and get as many employees as they possibly can for the big week and I don’t think a disclaimer about death and dismemberment would help them staff an entirely new restaurant Then there is 1, which is a restaurant on it’s last legs which increasingly gives the likelihood of management not caring anymore about hiding a disclaimer when they know the inevitable- That the company is dying.
i think it's 1993. a lot of the time scott changes the lore to fit with fan theories and for if it was recorded in 1987 ralph would say "welcome to the new and improved freddy fazbear's pizzeria." i think ralph just forgot when copellia was born
year 2000 gang fnaf movieee 1989 being the year Ralph starts could make sense idk; if I had to pick one, 1998 could make sense in line with the fnaf movie being the year 2000, since those 2 dates aren't too far off from each other; (and maybe more time passes between the choose ur own adventure book & the actual game?? IK I'm grasping at straws lol)
One problem,we know what the fnaf 2 phone calls were. We hear them. Sure,they’re for a summer job but that message is still played in November (unless the checks aren’t to be trusted,in which case your whole theory falls apart) and why would they use it if they had another one that was more generalised?
On Follow Me, I don't think the minigame does take place after Freddy's is closed down, but rather while it was still open. We know the fnaf 1 location is on the way to bankruptcy and is very run down, which explains why it looks so broken in the minigame. But my evidence for it taking place while fnaf 1 is still open is this: From the fnaf 3 phone calls, we know Fazbear's Frights found Springtrap in a hidden safe room, which on night 6 Ralph explains to us was hidden with a false wall at all Freddy's locations. We know that Ralph's tapes are for employees, meaning they are being recorded while the resturant is still open/ This false wall is also not present in the Follow me minigame. This means William must have been springlocked, then the false wall was installed over the safe rooms, and because Ralph is the person explaining to the employees about the false wall Follow Me must take place prior to his death in Fnaf 1. Another detail of note, in fnaf 1 there is a strange banging/knocking sound effect that can randomly play. This isn't just part of the ambience, in one of Dawko's charity livestreams (I don't remember specifically which one) Scott Cawthon specifically pointed the detail out in chat, but refused to say what it was. I believe this banging noise is William in the now hidden safe room, attempting to get out.
True! I haven't realized it, but you're right, follow me can't happen after or even during fnaf 1, because Ralph would be already dead by then. And since he's the one recording the messages abt the yellow suit being moved and safe rooms, follow me MUST happen before FNAF 1. It can potentially still be after fnaf 2, just as they are preparing for reopening. It can be before fnaf 2, but two years between MCI in 85 and 87 seems like too little time to so the whole sister location bunker and remnant experiments. My money's on the fact that follow me happens anywhere between 87 fnaf 2 and before fnaf 1 place reopens, whenever that is (I'm a 92 believer, but it's irrelevant here).
If the overtime pay is a friday, november the 13th, this would imply that the gaurds first day was sunday, and the majority of jobs don't start on a sunday, so I'm having a hard time with that one. If there was more evidence, otherwise fine, but there isn't, so I don't think that's true.
I don't think we can use the fnaf 2 paycheck for anything other than 1987, it's likely scott reused the fnaf 1 paychecks edited in 87 and forgot that the november date contradicts the summer line said by phone guy. If the 5th night is a friday we get 1993 or 1999 as the only years in somewhat reasonable time frame. The 1999 date implies there was a freddies open in 1988.
i might be wrong here and this is mostly based on vibes but i dont think this phone call is from the fnaf 2 location. it seems more reminiscent of the fnaf 1 call when it welcomes you to "freddy fazbears pizza, a magical place for kids and grownups alike.." etc, whereas the fnaf 2 call welcomes you to the "new and improved freddy fazbears pizza." the fnaf 2 call then goes on to encourage you to forget about the things you may have heard about the old location, whereas this call immediately goes into the spiel about the company not being responsible for damage or death. the vibes just seem very different. And considering the player is "only the second guard to work at that location," i just think the calls would be more similar in tone. the "new and improved freddy fazbears pizza" line especially feels like one of those lines that ralph would be forced to use in every introductory message from that time.
>it seems more reminiscent of the fnaf 1 call when it welcomes you to "freddy fazbears pizza, a magical place for kids and grownups alike.." etc It's similar, but he notes that he was Younger and more Naive, and that his daughter had JUST been born. (and implying before he learned of FazEnt's Behavior/history, to a degree) In this case Phone Guy cuts the whole spiel short with a "blah blah blah" The "new and improved" is likely because it's a *RE* Opening of the original FNAF 2 location. It's more likely, if anything, this call would either date from approx 1983 (when the Freddy's Location had just opened) or 1985, when he was covering the Springlock Tapes.
@@higueraft571 yes i should have probably been more clear that i am not necessarily saying it takes place at the fnaf 1 location, just that i dont think its the fnaf 2 location. I agree it's more likely to be from around the springlock tapes era
On the topic of the 2000s theory mentioned early in the vid The FNaF 1 check also says 19×× and knowing its after 1987 only gave us the dates 1988-1999 to choose from so anyone who said 2000s was definitely wrong XD I personally went with 1992 as my theory because of the dates on the check plus the minimum wage being close even if not exact but im still watch the video so maybe I'll have a different theory by the end lol
@@sammcgarry5822 I want to correct my statement by saying...I haven't seen the FNaF one check in a while and thought I remembered it having a "19" on it I think it's because the FNaF 2 check has "1987" instead of "87"
personally i prefer theee 1985 - the og freddy's (may possibly be from the withereds) 1987- fnaf 2 (jeremy gets bitten by possibly foxy on november 14) 1993- fnaf 1 (no reason, i just feeel that makes more sense the minimum wage, plus! some places pay on friday. that makes the payday of night 5 as november 12, and the overtime on 13, no reason, i just feel it makes sense to happen on saturday and not in friday like you say) 1995/2001 the follow me and sister location definitelly happen on the same year. then that makes 2023 fnaf 3 2026 fnaf 6 and now we so far from security breach but i think i prefer to think the fazbears attraction's route of saying it happens around 2030's
I just think the fact it's the 13th in a horror game is little to coincidental to be intended. Cause you know the movie, Friday 13th. Think it'd just be weird to say it's Saturday the 13th in a horror game when it's kinda obviously a Friday the 13th reference Also, places pay people any day of the week not just Friday. Night 5 could be on a Monday for all we know.
Disagree with a few points here: 1992 seems to match up FAR better, matching the say pay dates as FNAF 2, and also being within that same exact Minimum Wage range (1991-1996) >the follow me and sister location definitelly happen on the same year. Hard disagree here, it's EXTREMELY Likely SL took place much later on. Notably: At this time, Sister Location would still be under the ownership of Afton Robotics, FazEnt wouldnt have enough time to absorb the company, potentially not even enough time for the CEO to be declared Missing/Dead yet. Most likely, after a few months with the Afton Robotics CEO filed as "Missing", Fazbear Entertainment would have begun it's Takeover, attempting to claim and absorb Afton Robotics into itself, possibly taking a few more months/years to fully do so. I wouldnt say for certain if SL takes place in the 00s or 10s, but certainly past 2000 i imagine. As for William's disappearance/death? Probably 1993 or 1994, depending on how quick he was to raid the place after it shut down. This would also move FNAF 3 to 2022 >2026 fnaf 6 Why 2026 exactly? Especially when Henry's message includes "223"/hints towards 2023?
Maybe some parts of the fnaf 1 animatronics were also used at fall fest? This would make the date 1992 a possibility which makes sense for most of the theories(although 1998 does make sense with the 30 year thing making fnaf 3 take place in 2018)
Technically wouldn't the FNAF fandom exist in the FNAF universe from Fnaf 1 to Fnaf 6? Cause Fazbear hired In Universe Scott Cawthon to make the games... Does that mean that RyeToast is canon to the fnaf timeline? Am I? Are we? I'm going crazy...
The most common calendar week used retail and the like start on Monday and ends on Sunday. It's easier to see the weekend coverage. Trust me, I've had managers try to do it the other way. It never works. The shift starts at 12am. That's a clean start. Since the overtime check is after shift then I'm pretty sure they get paid weekly. That means they aren't doing them from corporate payroll. The guard works 35 hours. So they are doing overtime based on the amount of days. So the last day would have to be Friday and not Thursday. Which lines up with this kind of business. Also I think the 20 years would be how long since they were new. Also I think it would be sneaky for Scott to mean a different Sega. The sega master system was released in 1986
Some guy gave real evidence for 1989 and he also disproved the 1998 date. Also what if fazebear just paid the employees well ad not minimum wage. his name is 'the unwithered truth'
I disagree with the 90’s conclusion. The 1989 year is much more compelling in the book. Consider that you’re not supposed to have a code to access that voicemail early on. And that all the pop culture references stop at 1989. And the check matches minimum wage in Utah for 1989. And Coppelia knows who Fredbear is.
I think i have an idea of how to fudge the minimum wage numbers to work with the weekday method, If we take the movie into account a little. Thinking back to the late 90's, where i worked we regularly hired temp workers for single day busy events. I few times when i talked to them, they mentioned how the company would pay the temp agency minimum wage, the temp agency would take a commission, then their take home pay would end up below minimum wage. So if the security guard is just a temp worker, this could explain why their pay is actually less than minimum wage at the time.
I do believe that Follow Me is about William getting Remnant for Funtimes but I think it happens after Fnaf 1 and when location closed down as the newspaper article says that it will close at the end of the year and Mike's week is in November close to this. Hand Unit saying that Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals opened due to the closing of Freddy's meant Fnaf 1 location. Follow Me could have happened over a week or two nights with William going back and got cornered by the spirits and Springlocked.
The new gen of fnaf (after security breach) seems to be after the children of the bullies that helped on the accident of Dave’s bite (Cassy being the daughter of the Bonnie bully and Oswald seemingly being the son of the Freddie bully).. I don’t have any theories regarding just think that it is an interesting perspective
i think the one year off one could be correct in the context that he is recording a training message for the security guard which would presumably would be ready to do their job day one of opening. so he records it in November then the FFP location opens the next year after the security guard is trained
Let's also not forget that Mike doesn't work until AT LEAST a day or 2 after Ralph canonically dies on Friday, meaning 1998 or 1999 are very likely for fnaf1.
Hey Rye, just started thinking about Help Wanted 2 and Into the Pit and how HW2 had the main character recognize the Bonny mask and Into the Pit had Oswald finding a Freddy mask in his house. Im assuming it belonged to the dad, obvious safest bet. Do you think these new games are showing where the bullies ended up in life? With their past still haunting them? We know who the Foxy bully is, maybe that leaves a main character for a future game featuring the Chica bully. Either Secret of the Mimic or another game like Into the Pit?
Based on the secret of the mimic, it’s possible that 20 years ago being 1978 would be the founding of the original fall fest circus that inspired the pizzeria that Ralph is referring to.
I love that you have your cats in the videos. Though this is the first time I've seen the black one. They're both beautiful. Your orange can looks like mine, his name is trouble and he's long hair. The other cat I have is a faded orange or arguably light brown, short haired, and a girl named Teddy. My babies look very different but they're actually from the same litter. What about yours? I'd love some kitty lore!
I like to think Ralph saying he was young and naive when he made that voicemail fits with him seemingly revealing things Fazbear didn't want him to in the FNAF 2 call which then had to be cut out, so he was probably chastised by the company and "learned his lesson" so to say.
>the FNAF 2 call This is a *different* call entirely. The one being referred to with him being "young and naive" was the Introduction Spiel, similar but not the same as the FNAF 1 Night 1 call, likely from 1983 or 1985 (we hear the first part of it in the Training Tapes too).
@@holidaygirl1225_ Highly unlikely, it would have, again, mentioned "new and improved Freddy Fazbear's" if it was from the Grand Re-Opening, this however matches the 1985 tapes and the FNAF 1 Company Spiel (except without the Jaded/Forced tone and "blah blah blah" cutting it off) close enough to be plausibly 1985 or earlier.
It possibly it's 95 and the phone call is from 83 and maybe the first because I believe it mentioned that the daughter birthday was next month and if you redue the math with this in mind you get 83 the same year Freddy's opens Also I think we get paid not on Thursday or Friday per se but actually on the 12th and 13th with being paid on a date of the month instead of week with probably the second paycheck being 28th and 29th
i love your videos so much, your content keeps me interested in the fnaf series :) you always do such a wonderful job with research and writing and the passion is clear in each video. it's a real pleasure to watch. on another note-and i'm just one person so take my comment with a grain of salt-but i do wish that there was different footage used to represent fnaf 1 when the first game's gameplay loop is used in the background. or at the very least a slower loop maybe? the repetitive bright flashing of lights when flipping the cams up, switching cams, and flipping back down in the fnaf 1 gameplay loop is visually triggering from a photosensitivity perspective. i think specifically the flashing of bright white "static" when switching cams is the worst of it, especially quickly switching between cams (i do find this to be triggering in a lot of fnaf videos but your theories are my favourites to watch so it stands out to me). some of the other fnaf games' gameplay visuals have the same effect especially when there is cam flipping and switching, but i find its always fnaf 1 cam-switching footage that tends to cause the most problems (2 isn't great either tbh). i am rather sensitive as flashing lights leads to intense migraines for me, but it also makes me wonder about those for whom flashing can cause seizures. i'm not sure if i've ever come across anyone else commenting on this, but you just seem like a really caring and compassionate person so i wanted to mention in case someone else had the same experience but didn't or couldn't leave a comment about it. i also really want to emphasize that i'm not leaving this comment to demand you change it nor am i at all blaming you, this is your channel and it's not like you made the gameplay! i really hope this doesn't come off as rude or demanding or disrespectful in any way. i just really love your content and would love it even more if i didn't get a headache whenever the first games get brought up, haha 😅
I would like to mention something really quickly, i’m about 2:30 into the video right now but I haven’t heard you mention it yet, so I’d like to mention that it’s possible that it took time for the souls of the MCI and/or DCI to first possess or fully possess the animatronics. And even then, it might take time for them to get used to how heavy the suits could be for those childrens souls… what I’m trying to say here is it’s possible that it may have taken months or even years for the souls to adjust to the suits, which may possibly move fnaf 1 further forward in the timeline (and by that I mean year not where it is in the timeline) than you may have originally anticipated. Will continue to update as I get further into the video with time stamps.
The page that recording comes from is impossible to reach without cheating, and a line later on that same page directly contradicts something else said later in the book. It doesn't seem like a very good basis for a theory imo
Why does nobody remember that Phone Guy was alive when Springtrap was sealed in the fnaf 1 location, making it impossible for Follow Me to take place after Fnaf 1
>making it impossible for Follow Me to take place after Fnaf 1 It doesnt. The Saferoom was covered with a "false wall", meaning likely a hidden doorway, not outright as in bricked over or such. It was Accessible, but hidden. Of course, Springtrap was never "sealed" after FNAF 1, he simply could not Escape, and nobody disturbed him (as nobody knew the room existed) until Phone Dude pulled him out of his Hell.
I think it can be assumed that when the saferooms were boarded up, the fnaf 1 location was shuttered (for the first time) and therefore didn't have its saferoom walled off. When it reopens, people probably just didnt know/care about the saferoom and it was overlooked or ignored
@@sammcgarry5822 >and therefore didn't have its saferoom walled off. Highly unlikely. The FNAF 1/MCI Location DID have a False Wall placed over it's Saferoom. >When it reopens, people probably just didnt know/care about the saferoom and it was overlooked or ignored Phone Dude states: "Uh, some guy who helped design one of the buildings says there was like an extra room that got boarded up, or uh, something like that." It *was* actually Hidden. It's highly likely Phone Dude HAD gone through the FNAF 1 location prior (we can find a bunch of junk from the Old Locations in FNAF 3 they scavenged), they just didnt know that room existed/couldnt find the hidden entrance and missed it.
@@higueraft571 The thing is why would Fazbear have any reason to seal up the back rooms if it wasn't to hide Springtrap? You could argue it was to cover up the MCI but you have to remember the context of when this information was given. The news of the backrooms being boarded up comes after a series of tapes all about the spring lock suits and right before a man dies in a spring lock suit in a back room? To me it makes the most sense that William dismantled the animatronics and got springlocked before Fnaf 1, he's found, and Fazbear decides to just cover it up by saying all backrooms are going to be boarded up.
Afton dismantles the fnaf 1 animatronics before he gets springtrapped and sealed. Even if you wanted to say the company ended up rebuilding the animatronics, the spirits and remnant within them would be gone (put in the funtimes in SL by this point). So if afton is supposed to be sealed in by the time of fnaf 1, the animatronics wouldn’t even be haunting you, their spirits would be in the funtimes by the time of the game so that can’t be right ETA: phone guy similarly has to be dead before afton is trapped. He’s killed by the fnaf 1 animatronics assumedly still possessed. Afton can’t be trapped before their spirits are transferred to the funtimes
Finally, i can watch your new video. Normally, im here within the first hour, but the storm knocked out the power in our whole town. So, my phone was dead all day. It just came back on.
I always said That FNAF 1 was in 1999 in my own personal Theorys and headcannons If this theory is close or even confirmed at anytime knowing I was that close will make my day
1998 ticks a few boxes. If Ralph started recording messages in 1987, he might have worked at the original Freddy’s, but was ‘rewarded’ for his loyalty in staying with the company through the closure and reopening. He definitely stuck around for the closure and later reopening between 1987 and the fnaf1 location. His seeming to not have much information about Fredbear’s Diner lines up with him being hired after 1983, when it would have closed. And the 20 year estimate goes back to 1978, which could easily be referencing Fallfest or Fredbear’s where the characters likely originated before Freddy’s got his own restaurant, since they exist within the Fazbear universe of toys, cartoons, etc. The minimum wage also includes a good chunk of the 90’s where minimum wage stayed relatively the same. Pushing to 1998 stretches things a bit with minimum wage, especially in Utah, being closer to 5/hour than 4/hour, but there are probably deductions attached like most paycheques have. So, it’s a sweet spot that covers all four methods (wage, date, 20 years and 11 years). Interestingly, since the message would have been recorded for FNAF2’s location, but not for Jeremy, that would make the message Ralph recorded was for William starting his night guard shifts at FNAF2. This could also help place when Circus Baby’s one day opening occurred since that could be the sister location Ralph references, since we do know Circus Baby’s apparently did have at least one springlock animatronic. The recordings in FNAF3 need to occur between the fnaf2 recordings (which would be among the earliest from Ralph) and the FNAF1 recordings (which are his final ones). ‘98 also puts it 15 years after Freddy’s opened, which is half of the 30 years we get for FNAF3 [although that is 30 years after a closure, so it could be anywhere from 2015 to 2028]
1982 is a date that has *some* significance at least. We don't really know what, but it was in the source code when fnaf 4 was being teased (alongside 1983 in some cases). It doesn't really work with what you're doing here as it is a year before Freddy's is implied to have opened, I don't think, but it is a year to keep in mind in case Scott hasn't forgotten/retconed it by now.
i was 100% in the 92 camp until this video...i think thats very interesting, and it doesn't really conflict with anything the community previously thought (except that Mike is being seriously underpaid). I will point out that the book makes a few errors about Ralph's daughter, like it says that she went to Freddy's when she was 7, but also that she's never been to Freddy's before. Its also important to note that her birthday is "next month" (december) so it was really 12 years ago, not 11. 12 years before 1998 would be december of 1986, and the book says "especially not then" talking about the time that voice memo was recorded. That would make sense as the MCI had happened a year or so before her birth.
1:34 to 1:56 In FNaF 1, and I mean back when only FNaF 1 existed in the series, the restaurant you’re in was the only location, and it had been open for twenty years. The MCI happened, followed by the Bite of ‘87. The final newspaper clipping in FNaF 1 reads as follows: ‘After a long struggle to stay in business after the [MCI] that took place there MANY YEARS AGO, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza has announced that it will close by year’s end.’ And what month was Mike Schmidt working in FNaF? November, nearing the end of the year. This means that the restaurant didn’t close at the end of the year the MCI occurred, or the end of the year 1987; it was coming to a close at the end of the year Mike Schmidt was working. The only reason it makes no sense NOW is because of FNaF 2, or rather it’s because Scott Cawthon made FNaF 2 a prequel rather than a sequel, which wound up retconning bits of information. I don’t want to list everything, so I’ll try to be brief. FNaF 2 location making a grand reopening AFTER FNaF 1 location closed makes sense; the classics become withered, the newspaper clippings make sense still, the phone calls in the first game add up, and another set of murders years after the MCI expands the lore, and makes you curious as to what or where the purple man stuff is going. FNaF 2 location being a grand reopening BEFORE FNaF 1 retcons the newspaper clippings and makes little to no sense. Instead of the MCI location coming to a close MANY years later, it comes to close as late as 1986, so at the very least one year after the MCI. Then it reopened in another location in 1987, only to get shut down within two to three weeks, to then reopen many years later at the old location for the events of FNaF 1, which was confirmed in The Week Before to have recently been reopened. So it makes the Phone Calls from Ralph in FNaF 1 inconsistent. It makes sense for the classics to turn into withereds for FNaF 2, but it makes no sense for the withereds in FNaF 2 to return to looking like the classics in FNaF 1. That’d be more money spent to fix the broken animatronics, or more money to reverse what they did to them years prior. And finally, when FNaF 1 and 2 were the only games that existed, there was no year given for when Freddy’s was opened until the release of the FNaF Cookbook, which gave us the year 1983. The year 1983 was also on Faz-Tokens in later games. So the reasons the lore and years not lining up isn’t just because of FNaF 2, it’s because of established lore in later games. Making FNaF 2 a prequel makes the phonecalls in FNaF 1 not line up. It makes the newspaper clippings not line up. It makes the purple man stuff slightly confusing. And it has multiple dead children in the restaurant occur during the Bite of ‘87, but these dead children are never brought up in FNaF 1, or any other game for that matter.
>The only reason it makes no sense NOW is because of FNaF 2 To be fair, it STILL makes sense thanks to FNAF 3. The FNAF 1 location was the MCI Location. It closed, reopened after FNAF 2, and struggled ever since until effectively crumpling under the debt (And just how run down and shitty it looks). Especially if it DID open soon after 1987 (1988 or so for example), that *would* definitely fall under FNAF's Definition of "Many Years" >FNaF 2 location being a grand reopening BEFORE FNaF 1 retcons the newspaper clippings and makes little to no sense. It was pretty clear from the start the FNAF 2 location was never meant to be the same Location. >And it has multiple dead children in the restaurant occur during the Bite of ‘87, but these dead children are never brought up in FNaF 1, or any other game for that matter. That's just a problem with FNAF 2, really, Scott apparently forgot the whole DCI thing :V
Alr a few things: The ending paper of fnaf 2 says that the new animatronics are getting scrapped and the old ones are kept with the hopes of reopening in a place with a smaller budget. I.e. fnaf 1, which is smaller than fnaf 2. Your logic on it ‘making no sense’ doesnt work either the withereds are the originals therefore there is monetary incentive to refurbish them, as well as its implied that one of the toy animatronics cause the bite of 87, which explains why they would choose to go with the originals and bring them back. The point about the MCI newspapers is a good one i will admit, im trying to think of an explanation for that one. Fnaf 2 is open for longer than 2-3 weeks, the phone calls in fnaf 2 welcome you to a ‘summer’ job and your paycheck states november. Theres also plenty of evidence in favour of fnaf 2 being a prequel. ralph getting attacked in fnaf 1, ralph in fnaf 2 saying hes going to take over night shift, which he then does in fnaf 1. The animatronics in fnaf 2 being allowed to walk during the day when they cant in fnaf 1. And the most damning one, the fact that phone guy references the bite of 87 in fnaf 1, when fnaf 2 is confirmed to take place in 1987. How can phone guy reference an event that takes place in 1987 if the location is shut down BEFORE it? Also the 1983 was on the fnaf 4 tv show before the cookbook. But it is still a later game.
@@yosh3301 >Fnaf 2 is open for longer than 2-3 weeks, the phone calls in fnaf 2 welcome you to a ‘summer’ job and your paycheck states november. Hard disagree with the "it was recorded months prior" here. FNAF 1 is stated as a "Summer Job" as well, despite being in November too. Why is it TWO games say it's a "Summer Job" and it's in November? Is "The Week Before" actually "The Half a Year Before" too? Especially when Night 6 of 2 VERY much reads as "this is a to-date message", alongside the messages in general matching the increased progression as events occur offscreen. Why would GFreddy activate the same night it's mentioned that Something Happened, and a Yellow Suit was used, if it didnt happen then? >Theres also plenty of evidence in favour of fnaf 2 being a prequel. It's pretty much objectively a fact, but yeah.
0:09 SUMMER of 1987, we don't know the exact date, since Scott made an error with the dates. (Likely result of re-using FnaF 1's cheque as a basis for FnaF 2's end of week cheques)
Some important tidbidts, one, the way ralph talks about fredbears measns he has never worked in or been on the premisis of a family dinner which was still open in 1983, two if the first message was left at the original freddys location then 1987 would be to late because that had closed by the time fnaf 2 started, lastly when a child is born they are not 1 year old they are months old so if the child was born in 1987 by 1998 they would be 10 not eleven which means by following the logic of the initialexplanation no fnaf one does not take place in 1998. She could however have been born before that in 1986 which would make 98 the correct date & also that would mean that the first message ever recorded by ralph would take place before the opening of fnaf 2 at the original freddy's location. during the gameplay of fnaf 2 we play in the year of the grand re-opening so it would make sense that the year before in 86 is not only when the original location would have shut down but when he would have first recorded the message.
>the way ralph talks about fredbears measns he has never worked in or been on the premisis of a family dinner which was still open in 1983 Well yeah, but he DOES know about it. Also the recording in 1986 doesnt fit. That'd place it AFTER the Training Tapes, and when he should have become less "naive" witnessing the Huge Incident and suck. Personally, i'd place it either 1985 or 1983.
@@higueraft571 If he were working at a freddy's location in 1983 then i imagine it would be a lot harder for him to have almost forgotten it by the time he's recording the tapes in fnaf 1 the crying child dying was the first child death at a freddy's location he has the single most veiwd death in the entire franchise there was a room full of people that saw him die, one of the maker of the fazbear brand themselves child if he worked at a freddy fazbears pizza at that point in 1983 i think he would remember the fredbears location a bit better especially since closed after that in the same year. sorry for the word jumble but 1983 just doesn't work, 85 is questionable but, my memory of the first games newspaper clips elude me so i'm not sure if it said how long william was held for. the mci happend in 1985 so it's possible, but the huge incident he's probably refering to is the bite of 87. to me it's pretty viable that any year before 87 and after 83 are viable to be the year in which he made the first tranning tapes, all we know about before the tapes is that ralph was working there as a nightshift so there is a pretty high chance thats after the mci if he needed to warn the new guy about the moving machines.
@@emountypitts6811 >>it would be a lot harder for him to have almost forgotten it by the time he's recording the tapes in fnaf 1 Not really? Why would he perfectly remember a location he never worked at (or visited, probably), especially if he'd only been hired in 83? >he has the single most veiwd death in the entire franchise there was a room full of people that saw him die Four people, if i remember right. Of course it'd be known, but that'd mean he'd know of "The Big Bite", NOT a perfect memory of where it happened at. >so i'm not sure if it said how long william was held for Assuming it was even William, considering he was apparently active practically the entire time after that incident and not in jail... >but the huge incident he's probably refering to is the bite of 87. Why would he be Naive before then and presumably *not* Naive after? It's just an Animatronic that bit someone's face off. *Not* a deliberate coverup of a bunch of children who got murdered, hiding evidence from the police themselves intentionally, including going so far as to seal up said evidence under the excuse of "budget"... >any year before 87 and after 83 are viable to be the year in which he made the first tranning tapes 85 at most. The Springlocks are retired due to a "Multiple Simultaneous Springlock Failure" that occurs at a Sister Location (FNAF 2 likely), which gets the Springlocks retired. However, it's later stated that management has noticed the Spring Bonnie suit has been moved/used and people taken into the Saferoom, and warns NOT to touch the suits as mentioned previously. The next tape mentions them being hidden with a False Wall and that NOBODY is to mention the rooms to anyone, nor is anything being taken out.
@@higueraft571 i concide in saying i was incorrect but, i don't think you are either only because i just saw this th-cam.com/video/Z_pkMA92FZA/w-d-xo.html video
2:49 I still believe that because this Bonnie is a bright blue, it can’t be the fnaf 1 animatronic. I think that it’s the 1st Bonnie like the one we see on the 1983 advert
I think 1998 is compelling. It would mean FNAF 3 takes place in 2028, as it's stated it opened after Freddy's closes it's doors. This makes more sense to be the final location and not the first as, it would be strange wording when you realize Fazbears opened a new restaurant only two years later in 1987, after the 1985 location closed. I also feel like 2015 is just to far away for reasons I'll explain in a minute. 2028 would debunk the theory that FNAF 6 is in 2023 because of Henry's audio logs. Guess it really was just his 223 file. Now we don't know how long it took Henry to create FNAF 6, but most assume it's within a year of FNAF 3. This is reasonable, if not solely for the fact that, the longer the time frame, the longer Darktrap is roaming Utah. And the longer he needs to stay in hiding without interacting with Scrap Baby as they met in FNAF 6. (I just realized, assuming Sister Location is also around 1998, Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, and Puppet were roaming around Utah for a 30 years.) Anyway, we know from a poster in Security Breach (assuming this can still be used post Dawko interview) that puts the game in 2035. This is why 2028 is more reasonable then 2015. Only being a difference of 7 years and not 20 years from FNAF 3/6, minus a year or so if you think the Pizza Plex was open before 2035. The longer the time between FNAF 6 and Security Breach, the longer that sinkhole sits without being used. I really don't see the burned down building not being touched for over 20 years.
>that puts the game in 2035. This is why 2028 is more reasonable then 2015. Wouldnt that be a HUGE stretch though??? Why would you want *less* time between FNAF 6 and the Pizzaplex being built, completed, and open for several years? 2022 for FNAF 3 and 2023 for FNAF 6 seems the most likely, given provided info. Even if the Pizzaplex was built 7 years after FNAF 6 or so (giving enough time for the company to rebuilt AND the general 2-5 years estimate to build a mall), that'd still give it a solid 5~ years of Operation approximately. >I really don't see the burned down building not being touched for over 20 years. If we took the Book *and* Game evidence, it WAS touched early on in construction with plans as a "museum" of sorts, abandoned, paved over, and forgotten until problems with Roxy Raceway came up which prompted employees to rediscover it.
@@higueraft571the mimic and storyteller both heavily imply that the Pizzaplex opens in 2024-2025. FNAF 3 in 2028 breaks the entire timelime as we know it. This person has no idea what he's talking about
@@ManBird999 >the mimic and storyteller both heavily imply that the Pizzaplex opens in 2024-2025. I wouldnt exactly *trust* the Books for that date, as a note (especially since it seems the Mimic is going off Course even Further) But yeah, i have NO idea why they think 2028 FNAF 3 would somehow fit SB better? Especially since Henry pretty much Razed the Company. No evidence for the date itself compared to 2023
5:50 that would mean the restaurant closed after Ralph left beacuse in the book on night 2 if you badly put on the bonnies head you get fired bc it scared people
i feel like using the november date is very iffy… november 12 1993 was a friday, and since its the SAME date for fnaf 1 and 2, it feels more likely that scott just copypasted the image and changes the year. He picked nov 12 because its a friday, and looked up “minimum wage 1993”, that makes the most sense to me.
>He picked nov 12 because its a friday ??? Who the hell would choose "Friday the 12th" for a Horror game? Especially when the sequel has Payday objectively on *Thursday,* and "Friday the 13th" for Night 6's overtime pay? >and looked up “minimum wage 1993” Important note: The Minimum Wage was the same from 1991-1996. Meaning 1992 works perfectly. It has Friday the 13th occur in that year/dates given, and it matches the Minimum Wage perfectly.
14:40 You could fit this into a way older fan theory that Foxy Go Go Go is a third kill event separate from the MCI and DCI, taking place at the FNAF 1 location and resulting in Foxy shutting down. That would also cover the weird timing of Phone Guy talking about previous shutdowns, a temporary one after that.
This is an interesting point, I haven't heard it before. However, I have no idea how this would line up with Into The Pit unless any discrepancies are due to it being an agony manifestation or whatnot, since Foxy is already out of order in Pirate Cove by the time of the '85 MCI in the game. It seems to me at least that TWB is hinting at Foxy being the aggressor of the Bite of '87 ("never bit any *kids*"), and that being the reason he never left Pirate Cove after FNAF 2.
>because he doesn’t know what Fredbear’s Family Diner is Correction, he didnt remember the exact name of it because it'd been closed for a long time. "Uh, I think the name of the place was... "Fredbear's Family Diner" or something like that. It's been closed for years, though, I doubt we'll be able to track anybody down." The fact that he named it means he DOES know what it is...
Hey so I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this but like, it sounds like evidence for 1998? If Copelia is 11, and those tapes were taken when she was born. Him saying "a big reason why you couldn't take the night shift yourself at the time." Is actually REALLY relevant no? cause if it was "at the time" then that can be any similar date, and if that similar date is in 1987, then we know that "at the time", he had also recorded a message saying "we may move you to the day shift, a position just became... available. Uh we don't have a replacement for your shift yet". Your position was the night shift. In a separate message he mentioned that his daughter being born is a reason he couldn't take the night shift at the time of that message. If they were both recorded in 1987 then that REALLY lines up no? Just some thoughts I had, I'm kinda late lmao.
The minimum wage actually gives a range that 93 happens to fit into; 92 also works with it. GiBi goes over it in his super long timeline (with timestamps)
OMG I HAD A THEORY WAY BACK THAT FNAF WAS IN 1998 BACK WHEN YOU DID THE SOLVING THE LORE WITH NO BOOKS I used the date we had 1993 and used Utahs average length of time a building can remain left to rot after being closed (since according to a faz fact The fnaf 1 location was open from 1988-1983) for anyone wondering the lenght of time is 5 years
>since according to a faz fact The fnaf 1 location was open from 1988-1983 From what i remember, that got de-canonized/deconfirmed. So i'd definitely question if this is reliable info honestly An Illumix Employee stating how they werent written by Scott, and shouldnt be used for lore
The animatronics in the "Follow me" are the unwithered animatronics since bonnie and freddy both have buttons witch are only on the withered animatronics
Don't know if you'll see this but there's a bit of an issue with placing it in 1998. Coppelia's birthday is the month after TWB according to Ralph, meaning it's closer to 12 years than 11 years after she was born. If FNaF 1 was in 1998, that would put her birth in December of 1996, and make FNaF 2 around 11 months away. Not really making it "shortly" after she was born. And if Coppelia was born in 1987, that would put her birth at least a few weeks after the FNaF 2 location already shut down. One last issue is Ralph says Coppelia's birth is why he couldn't take the night shift but in FNaF 2, Phone guy says he intends to implying Coppelia hasn't been born yet. Assumming isn't an inconsistency with the book and game it's self. There are like 2 or 3 other contradictions in the story.
There is on thing that deconfirms 1998 to me, and that's the fact Coppelia's birthday is next month (and since FNAF1 takes place in november, her birthday is somewhere in December). However, that would mean Ralph recorder his phone call shortly after December 1987, which doesn't work on two fronts: 1, the FNAF2 restaurant is almost assuredly already closed even if we go by the paycheck dating it to November 1987, since the place was open for what, a week or two before the bite happened and the whole place shut down? So I find it incredibly unlikely Ralph would do that call then 2, that would be incompatible with the November paycheck itself because Jeremy can't be the victim of the Bite somewhere in November and also have the restaurant still be open in December if not January 1988 And mind you, Ralph could be fudging the details - that's what I use to defend 1993 - but I find it weirder for Ralph to think Coppelia was already born when she wasn't, rather than him thinking the call was shortly after her birth when it reality it was more like a year or so after. Idk, one feels more believable than the other imo
honestly i figured it took place mid-to-late 90s both bc of given, concrete years (83, 87) aligning with fnaf 4 minigames and fnaf 2 respectively, and bc of the fnaf movie taking place in 2000. i know the movie is a different continuity so it doesn't mean much but it gave a pretty decent cap to the list of possible years. (95-2000).
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7:30 + 16:00 Don't forget Ralph says "the happiest place on earth" has already been copyrighted, and Disney filed for that Copyright in August 1998. (More evidence below)
13:09 Copelia turns 12 "next month". However, being born in december 1986 means the recording is probably from 1987. 😆
Meaning this backs up "listening to 1987 recording in 1998".
i love this so much i now believe it as canon
That is GOOD evidence! Convinced!
It could just be a mistake by the author, after all there is a 100% real mistake on the author's part. Ralph says Coppelia has never been to Freddy’s on the very same paragraph where he says Coppelia had just been born, but he also says he brought her there for her birthday and she threw up. Plus the minimum wage by 1996 was $5 an hour, more than Mike’s $4 an hour even after Social Security Tax and Medicare.
@Nguyenzander fair enough point.
Although it DOES feel weird that TSE (1995) and the Movie (2000) happen AFTER the "early 1990s era", yet they are SEMI-adaptations of Fnaf 1. (And now the week before possibly happens BETWEEN those time periods?)
And plus, why would phone Guy think the line was copyrighted years before it ACTUALLY was? (He does say he tried pitching it as a slogan for Fazbear's, but it got copyrighted)
For copelia going to Freddy's, it goes "I didn't take her to Freddy's especially on Bring your Child to work days" and then correcting himself "then there WAS that one time she went and never went again".
Could just be he forgot, but this copyright is him using future knowledge (if it's before 1998).
Part of me thinks that's just sometihng people would assume is true. Like, I'm kinda shocked it took Disney that long to copyright it.
Another relatively new detail that supports 1998 is Fall Fest. If Fredbear's starts in or around 1979 when that one Fall Fest takes place, (and it burns down and they need to do something else like open a restaurant) and the animatronics originate at Fall Fest that would align basically perfectly with the "20 years" Ralph gives us because that would be 19 years which he would easily round up to 20
I really like this detail of Fredbears possibly starting in 1979 especially because that’s the year in the Secret of the Mimic trailer and it’s heavily speculated that Jackie was there alongside Fredbear and Spring Bonnie. However the only rebuttal I have is that in the DLC of Help Wanted 1, we see Fall Fest ‘83 meaning there were more Fall Fests after ‘79. In Help Wanted 2, we get the poster of Fall Fest 1970. If the animatronics originate at Fall Fest, and the year of FNAF 1 really is 1998, they would have been singing and dancing for closer to 30 years.
Fall Fest 1970 fits with the 1992 date which rounds down to 20.
Was just watching GTLive and had this realization. Is it possible the FNAF 3 minigame “Follow Me” is not only showing William Afton going back to Freddy’s for more remnant, but also a metaphor for him getting the children to follow him far enough away for him to attack and kill them. And the reason we see a purple Freddy suit… because purple guy actually used the fredbear suit… the one that killed his son, to lure and kill the kids from the MCI and the camera footage shows Henry’s suit doing to the kidnapping… which is why Henry is convicted. Because while yes Henry played Fredbear, Afton founded Fredbears and Henry was at Chicas Party World. Both suits are probably very special to Afton. He might kill in both suits. Which also means all 3 Afton men, Dave during the bite of ‘83, Micheal during night 4 of SL, and Willam during the biggest event of the series… the Missing Children Incident…have been inside the Fredbear suit. (If dual process theory is correct about SL Night 4)
My brain hurts
The issue with 1998 is the fact that minimum wage was rised to $5.15 per hour in 1997. So it is either not a correct date or somehow Fazbear Entertainment cheats Mike that they pay him below the minimum wage.
At the end of the fnaf franchise Scott should make a final fnaf book that confirms everything such as are the books canon, which timeline is right and what mysteries still need answers.
Bold of you to assume the fnaf franchise will ever end.
@@Mrloopholethat is a good point 😅.
@@GJames-Legend101 lol
@@Mrloopholewell if the fnaf franchise ever ends they should make a final book.
@@GJames-Legend101 Agreed
Coppelia is 11, but we're told that her birthday is next month (so December), so when it comes to calculating her birth year it would really be 12 years before the year of FNAF1 - if she turns 12 in December '93 then she would be born in December '81, and so on.
Copelia IS born around 12 years before Fnaf 1. BUT, since it's December, that means that the recording was most likely made the following year. So it SHOULD be fine saying the recording was 11 years before.
It's if people say Copelia's birthday was 11 years ago, and assume the recording was also 11 years ago.
(If Copelia was born in December 1987, then assume the Rec is ALSO from 1987. It can only really be Copelia is 1986 and the rec is 1987, or Copelia is 1987 and the rec is 1988. You can't REALLY have both)
Plus, Ralph says, "Copelia had just been born," meaning you'd have to accept the recording was from December, too.
But I personally think the rec happened the following year.
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1982 has also come up in the games before. Specifically in some FNAF 4 teasers. 83 might have been when the chain itself got going with multiple locations, but perhaps the first individual location opened in 1982.
5:00 even after the 8 hour timeline video people STILL tote this 1993 thing as if matpat didn't throw that date out of his ass cause of real life murders
People seemed to forget, or ignored, the reason why Matpat said that date; heck, going off the minimum wage rate comparison (which was nullified by Ralph stating in the book that Fazbear employees are paid more than minimum wage), Matpat gave a year range, and as you said, pulled '93 from it for that comparison.
4:34 - I looked into this a bit further and found something interesting.
The way that MatPat got 1993 specifically is kinda strange; when he was looking at the minimum wage, he calculated the check based on how many hours we worked as the security guard and came up with 4.20, which falls in the minimum wage range of the years 1992 and 1996.
But the only reason he stuck with 1993 was because he linked it to a string of real-life murders that happened in 1993 at a Chuck E Cheese.
I don't know if this changes anything, but it could give a new perspective.
1993 is the only year in that range that has november on a friday, it would make sense for the 5th night to be on a friday.
@@childish4487 >it would make sense for the 5th night to be on a friday.
Unfortunately, FNAF 2 sees this sense and spits on it.
Also really? "Friday the 12th", in a Horror Game? When the previous game distinctly uses Friday the 13th? :V
>1993 is the only year in that range that has november on a friday
Correction, *1992* is. 1993 does NOT have a Friday the 13th.
Is Pikmin canon to the Fnaf Universe?
Heavily implied
Yes (I would love if that's the truth)
Probably
@@RyeToast Fantastic, can't wait for the Spinoff Fnaf Pikmin Game.
FNAF takes place in a world very similar to our own, therefore Pikmin or a game similar to it probably exists there.
At the same time, Pikmin takes place in the far future, in a planet that's heavily implied to be Earth after humanity went extinct and the remaining species living on it evolved, therefore, it's entirely possible that Five Nights At Freddy's exists in the Pikmin World, either as a game, or as true events forgotten by time.
1:23 THE CUT TO U HAVING A DIFFERENT CAT IN UR LAP IS SO FUNNY FOR SOME REASON 😭😭😭😭
I never agreed with the minimum wage argument, because it assumes that Fazbear's is paying their employees minimum wage. They could be payed less or more than that (more than likely it's less given the state of the company at the time).
Exactly! I was about to comment, who is assuming this questionable company is paying minimum wage. I wouldn't put it past them to find a way to pay less.
also there are times where some states had minimum wage below the federal minimum wage
@@umtichow?? No argument, I genuinely don't know, but how does that work since federal minimum wage is supposed to regulate the states?
Also I'm pretty sure there's a point in The Week Before where it explicitly states that Ralph earns *more* than minimum wage.
@CottonCandySharks what they are saying is that minimum wage could be lower and that the security guards earn above minimum wage. This would mean the game is fhrther in the past.
There's a very important point you seem to be missing: the "original location" where the MCI took place and the FNAF 1 location are 100%, without a doubt, the same restaurant.
The FNAF 1 building has a Springlock Saferoom and security doors (which Phone Guy refers to as outdated compared to the FNAF 2 building). Furthermore, Henry explicitly states that the FollowMe minigames (which as we know, took place after FNAF 1) were Purple Guy bringing the animatronics "back to a familiar place, back with familiar tricks", that being, of course, a reference to the 5 Missing Children Incident and how they were lured into the same room that Purple Guy eventually died in.
Oh, also FazEnt is stated to be broke asf after FNAF 2. They wouldn't have the budget to build a new building, so they just reopened the original one
im glad someone pointed this out-- i thought the same thing. nothing wrong with it potentially being in 1998 (i think it's kinda cool to have a multitude of years to choose from), but we can't overlook the fact that fnaf 2 and 3 (the minigames) proves the fnaf 1 location was reopened, and *that's* what we're playing through in fnaf 1. or maybe i just misunderstood rye's whole theory lol
@@XDoFairiesHaveTailsX I think there is a misunderstanding here, yeah. Rye isn't proposing the buildings being different, just the year the game takes place.
I WOULD have agreed with this in the past but Into the Pit,in my opinion,makes more sense to be the original location. We see the possessed animatronics,after all. Not to mention the mill has trash from fnaf 6,which is likely built on Fredbear’s so the Into the pit location is actually close to Fredbear’s
Something i think is worth mentioning is Ralph states he’s bad with dates, so saying Freddy’s has been open for “20 years” could very well be an estimation on his part. Other than that, solid video
I love how Ralph saying that his recordings where edited is also a way for Scott to kind of fix little things in the older games that he wants changed for recent lore, shows how he is taking the series more seriously and how his writing has improved over the years, I'm really liking how the lore is starting to look more promissing and not so convoluted as in the past
Hey, good video I watched recently by The Unwithered Truth, he says that the game takes place in 1989, I personally think his theory was compelling so I recommend going and watching it.
_The Week Before_ shows us that Fazbear's work week is now Monday-Friday (Coppelia has school after each of the first five nights), so 1993 seems to line up best, in my opinion.
Dang I have to go back and re-watch I got too distracted by the kittehs.... Poor Rye... Kittehs ran away :(
That's me every video
5:00 Except, again, that's not what the video actually said.
Minimum Wage could be anywhere from 1991-1996 he said. And follows it up with "The real life shooting occured in 1993." Matpat never said 1993 based on minimum wage, just as part of his debunked FNAF 1 theory. In fact in his Fnaf 2 and FNAF 3 videos he sticks to just saying 'the 90s' for when 1 is set, he only brings up 1993 again in the FNAF 4 era when everyone else had picked it up and he presumbly just forget about how it started.
True, but don't forget the pay for the job can always be docked depending on the situation
@@DJBurns-jq8mn Not below minimum wage
@@ryanprower4246you sure?
@@ryanprower4246 not for tipped positions (night guard definitely wouldn't be tipped but here in the US tips are counted as part of your wage therefore counting towards minimum wage)
@@dumflame there's a reason it's called MINIMUM wage
There's a gap in that method that he gives about 1998 to be the right date with the 11 year method he used, it's the fact that we never hear that line in Night one in FNaF 2 when Phone guy was supposedly "young and naive", which he doesn't exactly sound in FNaF 2's date, in FNaF 2 he sounds a bit more jaded and he's more in the know of old yellow suits and such, so he wouldn't be that naive back in FNaF 2. FNaF 2's location was only open for one week before it got shut down due to the bite of '87, so that line from when he was "Young and naive" would have to have been from 1985. Plus I don't think FNaF 1 taking place in 1992 has a lack of evidence, it makes even more sense about minimum wage when you think about taxes, plus I just looked it up and it says that from 1991-1996 Minimum wage was $4.75 USD, so minimum wage evidence works for both 1992 and 1993, plus with the week-dates adding up to 1992, there isn't much evidence to say it isn't 1992.
It is 1992.
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Plus there's 2 more things that support 1992 that being the fact that the rule that allowed new workers to be payed under minimum wage in utah was removed in 1993 meaning it can't take place after that and in the real value code(survival logbook) the only date that works in the estimated timeframe for the date of the coupon/for $16 to equal $27 is 1992
Even more evidence: in twb, upon returning home on night 3, Ralph mentions how he hasn't taken his daughter to Freddy's since she was 7. If she's 11 now, 4 years ago would be 1988. But considering that she was born in December, her 7th birthday would be in 1987, a month after fnaf 2. Since Ralph is known to mix up dates a bit, it isn't too far fetched to say that he took her to the fnaf 2 location when she was six but miss remembered it as her being seven.
I feel like the RyeToast trapped in the backrooms is slowly being morphed into a Spamton-esque salesperson by the over-exposure of advertisements. I'm hoping that gets flanderized into something down the road lol I love this channel
The fact that Ralph is mentioning the death or dismemberment thing means this is after 2 at the absolute earlier.
That tagline is specifically missing from the FNAF 2 Newspaper, and more importantly, it just doesn't make logical sense. Vanzolin's theory(which isn't exactly about the date, but covers similar ground) makes a huge point about how FNAF 2 was the first location to have guards attacked at night, and it was a brand new problem that they barely understood. No one prior to William the week before Jeremy had been attacked at night, and they didn't really understand the problem til FNAF 2 was basically over. It has to be after, probably when the FNAF 1 location first reopened in 88 or 89.
I mean there was the bite of 83 which also happened under Fazbear Entertainment as well, while he may have been one of the owner’s son- there still would’ve been lawsuits for emotional distress, it would caused distrust in Fazbear Entertainment as a company and would’ve still been a PR nightmare. Then you have the MCI in 1985, which could cover the death part but that wouldn’t even need to be involved because the bite of 83 alone would cause the company to go “hey, we are not responsible for any death or dismemberment”
Not to mention there were likely springlock accidents other than William and even that could lead to lawsuits involving death and dismemberment
So the policy might’ve been there all along but after everything that happens, this policy goes from only information that employees know to flat out admitting that “yeah we’re not responsible if you die or go missing”
@@Limitedprodigy002 Then why isn't it in the FNAF 2 ad?
@@kalkuttadrop6371 as I said, as these terrible things keep happening, I suspect they progressively started putting that disclaimer into the forefront and the bite of 87’ and the second string of missing kids was likely the final straw for them. Because throughout *FREDDY FAZBEAR’S* history, they’ve only really had one or two incidents that were under their brand. Anything from Fredbear’s could be argued against and swept under the rug as the fault of an entirely different management which FNAF 2 did confirm that there was an “original owner” which I suspect would be Henry or William in that context, unless there’s an entirely different party or third owner that we don’t know about and has taken the blame for all the things prior to Freddy Fazbear’s being established. Then again, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza was also using springlock costumes according to the training tapes in 3 so it’s definitely possible they had a few accidents here and there which likely led to a few lawsuits and that combined with missing kids could’ve led to the clause being formed in the first place (possibly as a solution to pull a Disney and use it whenever something wrong happens)
But then the bite of 87’ happened and a second string of murders which were very public knowledge, they had police everywhere which very well could’ve led them to adding that disclaimer to their ads in case anyone wanted a job
If you aren’t satisfied with that, There’s also a difference between 1 and 2
2 is a grand re-opening, so of course they’re gonna try and get as many employees as they possibly can for the big week and I don’t think a disclaimer about death and dismemberment would help them staff an entirely new restaurant
Then there is 1, which is a restaurant on it’s last legs which increasingly gives the likelihood of management not caring anymore about hiding a disclaimer when they know the inevitable-
That the company is dying.
i think it's 1993. a lot of the time scott changes the lore to fit with fan theories and for if it was recorded in 1987 ralph would say "welcome to the new and improved freddy fazbear's pizzeria." i think ralph just forgot when copellia was born
Fnaf 2 is happening during fnaf 2 is the saddest necessary lore clarification I've ever heard I think
Deceased upon cat transforming at roughly 1:27
omg your thumbnail artist is COOKING
year 2000 gang fnaf movieee
1989 being the year Ralph starts could make sense idk;
if I had to pick one, 1998 could make sense in line with the fnaf movie being the year 2000, since those 2 dates aren't too far off from each other;
(and maybe more time passes between the choose ur own adventure book & the actual game?? IK I'm grasping at straws lol)
One problem,we know what the fnaf 2 phone calls were. We hear them. Sure,they’re for a summer job but that message is still played in November (unless the checks aren’t to be trusted,in which case your whole theory falls apart) and why would they use it if they had another one that was more generalised?
On Follow Me, I don't think the minigame does take place after Freddy's is closed down, but rather while it was still open. We know the fnaf 1 location is on the way to bankruptcy and is very run down, which explains why it looks so broken in the minigame. But my evidence for it taking place while fnaf 1 is still open is this:
From the fnaf 3 phone calls, we know Fazbear's Frights found Springtrap in a hidden safe room, which on night 6 Ralph explains to us was hidden with a false wall at all Freddy's locations. We know that Ralph's tapes are for employees, meaning they are being recorded while the resturant is still open/ This false wall is also not present in the Follow me minigame. This means William must have been springlocked, then the false wall was installed over the safe rooms, and because Ralph is the person explaining to the employees about the false wall Follow Me must take place prior to his death in Fnaf 1. Another detail of note, in fnaf 1 there is a strange banging/knocking sound effect that can randomly play. This isn't just part of the ambience, in one of Dawko's charity livestreams (I don't remember specifically which one) Scott Cawthon specifically pointed the detail out in chat, but refused to say what it was. I believe this banging noise is William in the now hidden safe room, attempting to get out.
True! I haven't realized it, but you're right, follow me can't happen after or even during fnaf 1, because Ralph would be already dead by then. And since he's the one recording the messages abt the yellow suit being moved and safe rooms, follow me MUST happen before FNAF 1. It can potentially still be after fnaf 2, just as they are preparing for reopening. It can be before fnaf 2, but two years between MCI in 85 and 87 seems like too little time to so the whole sister location bunker and remnant experiments.
My money's on the fact that follow me happens anywhere between 87 fnaf 2 and before fnaf 1 place reopens, whenever that is (I'm a 92 believer, but it's irrelevant here).
I think you are the only big youtuber really talkking about The Week Before and I am ALL FOR IT!!!
Every big youtuber is talking about The Week Before
@@jakubpociecha8819 not really
@@NaiFarang Alright, maybe not the big youtubers, but Rye isn't the first to cover it
@@jakubpociecha8819 yeah ik
GiBi?
If FNaF 1 takes place in 1998, you know what could feasibly be described as "20 years ago"...
*1979*
If the overtime pay is a friday, november the 13th, this would imply that the gaurds first day was sunday, and the majority of jobs don't start on a sunday, so I'm having a hard time with that one. If there was more evidence, otherwise fine, but there isn't, so I don't think that's true.
Ok but that fact is directly stated in the game that your 5th night is on a Thursday
I don't think we can use the fnaf 2 paycheck for anything other than 1987, it's likely scott reused the fnaf 1 paychecks edited in 87 and forgot that the november date contradicts the summer line said by phone guy. If the 5th night is a friday we get 1993 or 1999 as the only years in somewhat reasonable time frame. The 1999 date implies there was a freddies open in 1988.
hes a night guard so of course he works on the weekend, especially the night before monday
You're too trusting with work ethics
i might be wrong here and this is mostly based on vibes but i dont think this phone call is from the fnaf 2 location. it seems more reminiscent of the fnaf 1 call when it welcomes you to "freddy fazbears pizza, a magical place for kids and grownups alike.." etc, whereas the fnaf 2 call welcomes you to the "new and improved freddy fazbears pizza." the fnaf 2 call then goes on to encourage you to forget about the things you may have heard about the old location, whereas this call immediately goes into the spiel about the company not being responsible for damage or death. the vibes just seem very different. And considering the player is "only the second guard to work at that location," i just think the calls would be more similar in tone. the "new and improved freddy fazbears pizza" line especially feels like one of those lines that ralph would be forced to use in every introductory message from that time.
>it seems more reminiscent of the fnaf 1 call when it welcomes you to "freddy fazbears pizza, a magical place for kids and grownups alike.." etc
It's similar, but he notes that he was Younger and more Naive, and that his daughter had JUST been born. (and implying before he learned of FazEnt's Behavior/history, to a degree)
In this case Phone Guy cuts the whole spiel short with a "blah blah blah"
The "new and improved" is likely because it's a *RE* Opening of the original FNAF 2 location.
It's more likely, if anything, this call would either date from approx 1983 (when the Freddy's Location had just opened) or 1985, when he was covering the Springlock Tapes.
@@higueraft571 yes i should have probably been more clear that i am not necessarily saying it takes place at the fnaf 1 location, just that i dont think its the fnaf 2 location. I agree it's more likely to be from around the springlock tapes era
16:38 I always approve of a good musical theater reference :)
Appreciate the reference to the "I Love You Because" musical. Didn't expect that to be in a FNAF theory video. XD
It's such an underrated musical
On the topic of the 2000s theory mentioned early in the vid
The FNaF 1 check also says 19×× and knowing its after 1987 only gave us the dates 1988-1999 to choose from so anyone who said 2000s was definitely wrong XD
I personally went with 1992 as my theory because of the dates on the check plus the minimum wage being close even if not exact but im still watch the video so maybe I'll have a different theory by the end lol
Sorry, where does the fnaf 1 cheque say the full year? I can only find the 11-12-xx cheque.
@@sammcgarry5822 I want to correct my statement by saying...I haven't seen the FNaF one check in a while and thought I remembered it having a "19" on it
I think it's because the FNaF 2 check has "1987" instead of "87"
@@MC_Viewingfair enough lol
@@MC_Viewingjust delete the comment bro
@@bigblue207 nah I'm gonna let people laugh at my stupidity if they actually read the replies to the comments...I like making people smile/laugh
7:03 oh, I just assumed that the paychecks said 1993 on them! I’m sorry I doubted you rye!
personally i prefer theee
1985 - the og freddy's (may possibly be from the withereds)
1987- fnaf 2 (jeremy gets bitten by possibly foxy on november 14)
1993- fnaf 1 (no reason, i just feeel that makes more sense the minimum wage, plus! some places pay on friday. that makes the payday of night 5 as november 12, and the overtime on 13, no reason, i just feel it makes sense to happen on saturday and not in friday like you say)
1995/2001 the follow me and sister location definitelly happen on the same year.
then that makes 2023 fnaf 3
2026 fnaf 6
and now we so far from security breach but i think i prefer to think the fazbears attraction's route of saying it happens around 2030's
I just think the fact it's the 13th in a horror game is little to coincidental to be intended. Cause you know the movie, Friday 13th. Think it'd just be weird to say it's Saturday the 13th in a horror game when it's kinda obviously a Friday the 13th reference
Also, places pay people any day of the week not just Friday. Night 5 could be on a Monday for all we know.
Disagree with a few points here:
1992 seems to match up FAR better, matching the say pay dates as FNAF 2, and also being within that same exact Minimum Wage range (1991-1996)
>the follow me and sister location definitelly happen on the same year.
Hard disagree here, it's EXTREMELY Likely SL took place much later on.
Notably: At this time, Sister Location would still be under the ownership of Afton Robotics, FazEnt wouldnt have enough time to absorb the company, potentially not even enough time for the CEO to be declared Missing/Dead yet.
Most likely, after a few months with the Afton Robotics CEO filed as "Missing", Fazbear Entertainment would have begun it's Takeover, attempting to claim and absorb Afton Robotics into itself, possibly taking a few more months/years to fully do so.
I wouldnt say for certain if SL takes place in the 00s or 10s, but certainly past 2000 i imagine.
As for William's disappearance/death? Probably 1993 or 1994, depending on how quick he was to raid the place after it shut down.
This would also move FNAF 3 to 2022
>2026 fnaf 6
Why 2026 exactly? Especially when Henry's message includes "223"/hints towards 2023?
1993 surely not, 1992 is correct
Maybe some parts of the fnaf 1 animatronics were also used at fall fest? This would make the date 1992 a possibility which makes sense for most of the theories(although 1998 does make sense with the 30 year thing making fnaf 3 take place in 2018)
Technically wouldn't the FNAF fandom exist in the FNAF universe from Fnaf 1 to Fnaf 6? Cause Fazbear hired In Universe Scott Cawthon to make the games...
Does that mean that RyeToast is canon to the fnaf timeline? Am I? Are we? I'm going crazy...
Which games it was referring to is still up for debate. It could be Freddy in Space and all those fun little games, also made by Scott.
sans is canon in fnaf
Scott explicitly said around the time of Help Wanted that neither he nor any theorist or real person is canon to FNaF.
We’re all canon to FNAF
>Cause Fazbear hired In Universe Scott Cawthon to make the games...
Incorrect, Scott used his picture, but it is not meant to *Actually* be Scott.
Absolutely down for '98. Awesome video.
1:27 You wanna play, don't you? (proceeds to banish them to the shadow realm)
Classic black car behaviour
The most common calendar week used retail and the like start on Monday and ends on Sunday. It's easier to see the weekend coverage. Trust me, I've had managers try to do it the other way. It never works. The shift starts at 12am. That's a clean start. Since the overtime check is after shift then I'm pretty sure they get paid weekly. That means they aren't doing them from corporate payroll. The guard works 35 hours. So they are doing overtime based on the amount of days. So the last day would have to be Friday and not Thursday. Which lines up with this kind of business. Also I think the 20 years would be how long since they were new. Also I think it would be sneaky for Scott to mean a different Sega. The sega master system was released in 1986
Ah yes, glad to see you could fit in the "but now its proven" reference in 10/10
Figured out the date? Well so have I! On the exact same date that you did!
😂
I think the 1989 theory I heard worked well. 1998 sounds too late.
Some guy gave real evidence for 1989 and he also disproved the 1998 date. Also what if fazebear just paid the employees well ad not minimum wage. his name is 'the unwithered truth'
I disagree with the 90’s conclusion. The 1989 year is much more compelling in the book. Consider that you’re not supposed to have a code to access that voicemail early on. And that all the pop culture references stop at 1989. And the check matches minimum wage in Utah for 1989. And Coppelia knows who Fredbear is.
Security guards usually are paid more than minimum wage
Why does it make me uncomfortable knowing the phone guys name 😢 this is the first time I heard he had a name
I think i have an idea of how to fudge the minimum wage numbers to work with the weekday method, If we take the movie into account a little. Thinking back to the late 90's, where i worked we regularly hired temp workers for single day busy events. I few times when i talked to them, they mentioned how the company would pay the temp agency minimum wage, the temp agency would take a commission, then their take home pay would end up below minimum wage. So if the security guard is just a temp worker, this could explain why their pay is actually less than minimum wage at the time.
I do believe that Follow Me is about William getting Remnant for Funtimes but I think it happens after Fnaf 1 and when location closed down as the newspaper article says that it will close at the end of the year and Mike's week is in November close to this.
Hand Unit saying that Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals opened due to the closing of Freddy's meant Fnaf 1 location.
Follow Me could have happened over a week or two nights with William going back and got cornered by the spirits and Springlocked.
The new gen of fnaf (after security breach) seems to be after the children of the bullies that helped on the accident of Dave’s bite (Cassy being the daughter of the Bonnie bully and Oswald seemingly being the son of the Freddie bully).. I don’t have any theories regarding just think that it is an interesting perspective
Who tf is dave??
@@chriscofer6780 crying child, his name was "recently" discovered
how do you not no that theory yet, been all over
@@FlamesTheCyndaquil ohhh I just got back into my fnaf phase again so I didn't know.
@@chriscofer6780 it's okay, happy lore diving!
i think the one year off one could be correct in the context that he is recording a training message for the security guard which would presumably would be ready to do their job day one of opening. so he records it in November then the FFP location opens the next year after the security guard is trained
Let's also not forget that Mike doesn't work until AT LEAST a day or 2 after Ralph canonically dies on Friday, meaning 1998 or 1999 are very likely for fnaf1.
1993 with income
1992 as one option with your third method
hmmmmmm.....these do seem to support each other ;P
Hey Rye, just started thinking about Help Wanted 2 and Into the Pit and how HW2 had the main character recognize the Bonny mask and Into the Pit had Oswald finding a Freddy mask in his house. Im assuming it belonged to the dad, obvious safest bet. Do you think these new games are showing where the bullies ended up in life? With their past still haunting them? We know who the Foxy bully is, maybe that leaves a main character for a future game featuring the Chica bully. Either Secret of the Mimic or another game like Into the Pit?
Based on the secret of the mimic, it’s possible that 20 years ago being 1978 would be the founding of the original fall fest circus that inspired the pizzeria that Ralph is referring to.
I actually really enjoy the sponsorship breaks, they are always so unique yet ongoing 😂 I wonder what the next level will be
I love that you have your cats in the videos. Though this is the first time I've seen the black one. They're both beautiful. Your orange can looks like mine, his name is trouble and he's long hair. The other cat I have is a faded orange or arguably light brown, short haired, and a girl named Teddy. My babies look very different but they're actually from the same litter. What about yours? I'd love some kitty lore!
I like to think Ralph saying he was young and naive when he made that voicemail fits with him seemingly revealing things Fazbear didn't want him to in the FNAF 2 call which then had to be cut out, so he was probably chastised by the company and "learned his lesson" so to say.
>the FNAF 2 call
This is a *different* call entirely. The one being referred to with him being "young and naive" was the Introduction Spiel, similar but not the same as the FNAF 1 Night 1 call, likely from 1983 or 1985 (we hear the first part of it in the Training Tapes too).
@@higueraft571 I'm saying the call we haven't heard before could have been before the fnaf 2 call in the same year
@@holidaygirl1225_ Highly unlikely, it would have, again, mentioned "new and improved Freddy Fazbear's" if it was from the Grand Re-Opening, this however matches the 1985 tapes and the FNAF 1 Company Spiel (except without the Jaded/Forced tone and "blah blah blah" cutting it off) close enough to be plausibly 1985 or earlier.
You'll never get out of that desert, Rye. Even with all the Gamer Slupps you could imagine.
*evil laugh*
Great video! Also, I'm glad you got to use that obscure theater reference you love :D
It possibly it's 95 and the phone call is from 83 and maybe the first because I believe it mentioned that the daughter birthday was next month and if you redue the math with this in mind you get 83 the same year Freddy's opens
Also I think we get paid not on Thursday or Friday per se but actually on the 12th and 13th with being paid on a date of the month instead of week with probably the second paycheck being 28th and 29th
i love your videos so much, your content keeps me interested in the fnaf series :) you always do such a wonderful job with research and writing and the passion is clear in each video. it's a real pleasure to watch.
on another note-and i'm just one person so take my comment with a grain of salt-but i do wish that there was different footage used to represent fnaf 1 when the first game's gameplay loop is used in the background. or at the very least a slower loop maybe? the repetitive bright flashing of lights when flipping the cams up, switching cams, and flipping back down in the fnaf 1 gameplay loop is visually triggering from a photosensitivity perspective. i think specifically the flashing of bright white "static" when switching cams is the worst of it, especially quickly switching between cams (i do find this to be triggering in a lot of fnaf videos but your theories are my favourites to watch so it stands out to me). some of the other fnaf games' gameplay visuals have the same effect especially when there is cam flipping and switching, but i find its always fnaf 1 cam-switching footage that tends to cause the most problems (2 isn't great either tbh). i am rather sensitive as flashing lights leads to intense migraines for me, but it also makes me wonder about those for whom flashing can cause seizures. i'm not sure if i've ever come across anyone else commenting on this, but you just seem like a really caring and compassionate person so i wanted to mention in case someone else had the same experience but didn't or couldn't leave a comment about it. i also really want to emphasize that i'm not leaving this comment to demand you change it nor am i at all blaming you, this is your channel and it's not like you made the gameplay! i really hope this doesn't come off as rude or demanding or disrespectful in any way. i just really love your content and would love it even more if i didn't get a headache whenever the first games get brought up, haha 😅
I would like to mention something really quickly, i’m about 2:30 into the video right now but I haven’t heard you mention it yet, so I’d like to mention that it’s possible that it took time for the souls of the MCI and/or DCI to first possess or fully possess the animatronics. And even then, it might take time for them to get used to how heavy the suits could be for those childrens souls… what I’m trying to say here is it’s possible that it may have taken months or even years for the souls to adjust to the suits, which may possibly move fnaf 1 further forward in the timeline (and by that I mean year not where it is in the timeline) than you may have originally anticipated.
Will continue to update as I get further into the video with time stamps.
The page that recording comes from is impossible to reach without cheating, and a line later on that same page directly contradicts something else said later in the book. It doesn't seem like a very good basis for a theory imo
Why does nobody remember that Phone Guy was alive when Springtrap was sealed in the fnaf 1 location, making it impossible for Follow Me to take place after Fnaf 1
>making it impossible for Follow Me to take place after Fnaf 1
It doesnt.
The Saferoom was covered with a "false wall", meaning likely a hidden doorway, not outright as in bricked over or such. It was Accessible, but hidden.
Of course, Springtrap was never "sealed" after FNAF 1, he simply could not Escape, and nobody disturbed him (as nobody knew the room existed) until Phone Dude pulled him out of his Hell.
I think it can be assumed that when the saferooms were boarded up, the fnaf 1 location was shuttered (for the first time) and therefore didn't have its saferoom walled off. When it reopens, people probably just didnt know/care about the saferoom and it was overlooked or ignored
@@sammcgarry5822 >and therefore didn't have its saferoom walled off.
Highly unlikely. The FNAF 1/MCI Location DID have a False Wall placed over it's Saferoom.
>When it reopens, people probably just didnt know/care about the saferoom and it was overlooked or ignored
Phone Dude states:
"Uh, some guy who helped design one of the buildings says there was like an extra room that got boarded up, or uh, something like that."
It *was* actually Hidden. It's highly likely Phone Dude HAD gone through the FNAF 1 location prior (we can find a bunch of junk from the Old Locations in FNAF 3 they scavenged), they just didnt know that room existed/couldnt find the hidden entrance and missed it.
@@higueraft571 The thing is why would Fazbear have any reason to seal up the back rooms if it wasn't to hide Springtrap?
You could argue it was to cover up the MCI but you have to remember the context of when this information was given. The news of the backrooms being boarded up comes after a series of tapes all about the spring lock suits and right before a man dies in a spring lock suit in a back room?
To me it makes the most sense that William dismantled the animatronics and got springlocked before Fnaf 1, he's found, and Fazbear decides to just cover it up by saying all backrooms are going to be boarded up.
Afton dismantles the fnaf 1 animatronics before he gets springtrapped and sealed. Even if you wanted to say the company ended up rebuilding the animatronics, the spirits and remnant within them would be gone (put in the funtimes in SL by this point). So if afton is supposed to be sealed in by the time of fnaf 1, the animatronics wouldn’t even be haunting you, their spirits would be in the funtimes by the time of the game so that can’t be right
ETA: phone guy similarly has to be dead before afton is trapped. He’s killed by the fnaf 1 animatronics assumedly still possessed. Afton can’t be trapped before their spirits are transferred to the funtimes
Finally, i can watch your new video. Normally, im here within the first hour, but the storm knocked out the power in our whole town. So, my phone was dead all day. It just came back on.
I always said That FNAF 1 was in 1999 in my own personal Theorys and headcannons If this theory is close or even confirmed at anytime knowing I was that close will make my day
1998 ticks a few boxes. If Ralph started recording messages in 1987, he might have worked at the original Freddy’s, but was ‘rewarded’ for his loyalty in staying with the company through the closure and reopening. He definitely stuck around for the closure and later reopening between 1987 and the fnaf1 location.
His seeming to not have much information about Fredbear’s Diner lines up with him being hired after 1983, when it would have closed. And the 20 year estimate goes back to 1978, which could easily be referencing Fallfest or Fredbear’s where the characters likely originated before Freddy’s got his own restaurant, since they exist within the Fazbear universe of toys, cartoons, etc. The minimum wage also includes a good chunk of the 90’s where minimum wage stayed relatively the same. Pushing to 1998 stretches things a bit with minimum wage, especially in Utah, being closer to 5/hour than 4/hour, but there are probably deductions attached like most paycheques have. So, it’s a sweet spot that covers all four methods (wage, date, 20 years and 11 years).
Interestingly, since the message would have been recorded for FNAF2’s location, but not for Jeremy, that would make the message Ralph recorded was for William starting his night guard shifts at FNAF2.
This could also help place when Circus Baby’s one day opening occurred since that could be the sister location Ralph references, since we do know Circus Baby’s apparently did have at least one springlock animatronic. The recordings in FNAF3 need to occur between the fnaf2 recordings (which would be among the earliest from Ralph) and the FNAF1 recordings (which are his final ones). ‘98 also puts it 15 years after Freddy’s opened, which is half of the 30 years we get for FNAF3 [although that is 30 years after a closure, so it could be anywhere from 2015 to 2028]
1982 is a date that has *some* significance at least. We don't really know what, but it was in the source code when fnaf 4 was being teased (alongside 1983 in some cases). It doesn't really work with what you're doing here as it is a year before Freddy's is implied to have opened, I don't think, but it is a year to keep in mind in case Scott hasn't forgotten/retconed it by now.
The animatronics singing the same songs for 20 years line really throws a wrench in things
Around 1985 for me since Ralph says his daughter is turning 12 next month and he’s been here long enough to have seen both the mci and dci.
I'm a 1993 truther, solely because If you're addicted to Sega Genesis in 1998 I am so sorry for Copellia ToT
So FNAF 3 is set in 2028.
i was 100% in the 92 camp until this video...i think thats very interesting, and it doesn't really conflict with anything the community previously thought (except that Mike is being seriously underpaid).
I will point out that the book makes a few errors about Ralph's daughter, like it says that she went to Freddy's when she was 7, but also that she's never been to Freddy's before. Its also important to note that her birthday is "next month" (december) so it was really 12 years ago, not 11. 12 years before 1998 would be december of 1986, and the book says "especially not then" talking about the time that voice memo was recorded. That would make sense as the MCI had happened a year or so before her birth.
1:34 to 1:56
In FNaF 1, and I mean back when only FNaF 1 existed in the series, the restaurant you’re in was the only location, and it had been open for twenty years.
The MCI happened, followed by the Bite of ‘87. The final newspaper clipping in FNaF 1 reads as follows:
‘After a long struggle to stay in business after the [MCI] that took place there MANY YEARS AGO, Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza has announced that it will close by year’s end.’
And what month was Mike Schmidt working in FNaF? November, nearing the end of the year.
This means that the restaurant didn’t close at the end of the year the MCI occurred, or the end of the year 1987; it was coming to a close at the end of the year Mike Schmidt was working.
The only reason it makes no sense NOW is because of FNaF 2, or rather it’s because Scott Cawthon made FNaF 2 a prequel rather than a sequel, which wound up retconning bits of information.
I don’t want to list everything, so I’ll try to be brief.
FNaF 2 location making a grand reopening AFTER FNaF 1 location closed makes sense; the classics become withered, the newspaper clippings make sense still, the phone calls in the first game add up, and another set of murders years after the MCI expands the lore, and makes you curious as to what or where the purple man stuff is going.
FNaF 2 location being a grand reopening BEFORE FNaF 1 retcons the newspaper clippings and makes little to no sense.
Instead of the MCI location coming to a close MANY years later, it comes to close as late as 1986, so at the very least one year after the MCI. Then it reopened in another location in 1987, only to get shut down within two to three weeks, to then reopen many years later at the old location for the events of FNaF 1, which was confirmed in The Week Before to have recently been reopened. So it makes the Phone Calls from Ralph in FNaF 1 inconsistent.
It makes sense for the classics to turn into withereds for FNaF 2, but it makes no sense for the withereds in FNaF 2 to return to looking like the classics in FNaF 1. That’d be more money spent to fix the broken animatronics, or more money to reverse what they did to them years prior.
And finally, when FNaF 1 and 2 were the only games that existed, there was no year given for when Freddy’s was opened until the release of the FNaF Cookbook, which gave us the year 1983. The year 1983 was also on Faz-Tokens in later games. So the reasons the lore and years not lining up isn’t just because of FNaF 2, it’s because of established lore in later games.
Making FNaF 2 a prequel makes the phonecalls in FNaF 1 not line up. It makes the newspaper clippings not line up. It makes the purple man stuff slightly confusing. And it has multiple dead children in the restaurant occur during the Bite of ‘87, but these dead children are never brought up in FNaF 1, or any other game for that matter.
>The only reason it makes no sense NOW is because of FNaF 2
To be fair, it STILL makes sense thanks to FNAF 3.
The FNAF 1 location was the MCI Location. It closed, reopened after FNAF 2, and struggled ever since until effectively crumpling under the debt (And just how run down and shitty it looks).
Especially if it DID open soon after 1987 (1988 or so for example), that *would* definitely fall under FNAF's Definition of "Many Years"
>FNaF 2 location being a grand reopening BEFORE FNaF 1 retcons the newspaper clippings and makes little to no sense.
It was pretty clear from the start the FNAF 2 location was never meant to be the same Location.
>And it has multiple dead children in the restaurant occur during the Bite of ‘87, but these dead children are never brought up in FNaF 1, or any other game for that matter.
That's just a problem with FNAF 2, really, Scott apparently forgot the whole DCI thing :V
Alr a few things:
The ending paper of fnaf 2 says that the new animatronics are getting scrapped and the old ones are kept with the hopes of reopening in a place with a smaller budget. I.e. fnaf 1, which is smaller than fnaf 2. Your logic on it ‘making no sense’ doesnt work either the withereds are the originals therefore there is monetary incentive to refurbish them, as well as its implied that one of the toy animatronics cause the bite of 87, which explains why they would choose to go with the originals and bring them back.
The point about the MCI newspapers is a good one i will admit, im trying to think of an explanation for that one.
Fnaf 2 is open for longer than 2-3 weeks, the phone calls in fnaf 2 welcome you to a ‘summer’ job and your paycheck states november.
Theres also plenty of evidence in favour of fnaf 2 being a prequel. ralph getting attacked in fnaf 1, ralph in fnaf 2 saying hes going to take over night shift, which he then does in fnaf 1. The animatronics in fnaf 2 being allowed to walk during the day when they cant in fnaf 1. And the most damning one, the fact that phone guy references the bite of 87 in fnaf 1, when fnaf 2 is confirmed to take place in 1987. How can phone guy reference an event that takes place in 1987 if the location is shut down BEFORE it?
Also the 1983 was on the fnaf 4 tv show before the cookbook. But it is still a later game.
Though i do admit the paper states its open a few short weeks so its kinda confusing, maybe the tapes are just way pre-recorded and also wrong.
@@higueraft571 DCI is weird, still not sure if its a seperate incident or if its purple guy just moving the bodies or what. Seems pretty forgotten
@@yosh3301 >Fnaf 2 is open for longer than 2-3 weeks, the phone calls in fnaf 2 welcome you to a ‘summer’ job and your paycheck states november.
Hard disagree with the "it was recorded months prior" here.
FNAF 1 is stated as a "Summer Job" as well, despite being in November too.
Why is it TWO games say it's a "Summer Job" and it's in November? Is "The Week Before" actually "The Half a Year Before" too?
Especially when Night 6 of 2 VERY much reads as "this is a to-date message", alongside the messages in general matching the increased progression as events occur offscreen.
Why would GFreddy activate the same night it's mentioned that Something Happened, and a Yellow Suit was used, if it didnt happen then?
>Theres also plenty of evidence in favour of fnaf 2 being a prequel.
It's pretty much objectively a fact, but yeah.
0:09 SUMMER of 1987, we don't know the exact date, since Scott made an error with the dates. (Likely result of re-using FnaF 1's cheque as a basis for FnaF 2's end of week cheques)
Some important tidbidts, one, the way ralph talks about fredbears measns he has never worked in or been on the premisis of a family dinner which was still open in 1983, two if the first message was left at the original freddys location then 1987 would be to late because that had closed by the time fnaf 2 started, lastly when a child is born they are not 1 year old they are months old so if the child was born in 1987 by 1998 they would be 10 not eleven which means by following the logic of the initialexplanation no fnaf one does not take place in 1998. She could however have been born before that in 1986 which would make 98 the correct date & also that would mean that the first message ever recorded by ralph would take place before the opening of fnaf 2 at the original freddy's location. during the gameplay of fnaf 2 we play in the year of the grand re-opening so it would make sense that the year before in 86 is not only when the original location would have shut down but when he would have first recorded the message.
>the way ralph talks about fredbears measns he has never worked in or been on the premisis of a family dinner which was still open in 1983
Well yeah, but he DOES know about it.
Also the recording in 1986 doesnt fit. That'd place it AFTER the Training Tapes, and when he should have become less "naive" witnessing the Huge Incident and suck.
Personally, i'd place it either 1985 or 1983.
@@higueraft571 If he were working at a freddy's location in 1983 then i imagine it would be a lot harder for him to have almost forgotten it by the time he's recording the tapes in fnaf 1 the crying child dying was the first child death at a freddy's location he has the single most veiwd death in the entire franchise there was a room full of people that saw him die, one of the maker of the fazbear brand themselves child if he worked at a freddy fazbears pizza at that point in 1983 i think he would remember the fredbears location a bit better especially since closed after that in the same year.
sorry for the word jumble but 1983 just doesn't work, 85 is questionable but, my memory of the first games newspaper clips elude me so i'm not sure if it said how long william was held for. the mci happend in 1985 so it's possible, but the huge incident he's probably refering to is the bite of 87. to me it's pretty viable that any year before 87 and after 83 are viable to be the year in which he made the first tranning tapes, all we know about before the tapes is that ralph was working there as a nightshift so there is a pretty high chance thats after the mci if he needed to warn the new guy about the moving machines.
@@emountypitts6811 >>it would be a lot harder for him to have almost forgotten it by the time he's recording the tapes in fnaf 1
Not really? Why would he perfectly remember a location he never worked at (or visited, probably), especially if he'd only been hired in 83?
>he has the single most veiwd death in the entire franchise there was a room full of people that saw him die
Four people, if i remember right. Of course it'd be known, but that'd mean he'd know of "The Big Bite", NOT a perfect memory of where it happened at.
>so i'm not sure if it said how long william was held for
Assuming it was even William, considering he was apparently active practically the entire time after that incident and not in jail...
>but the huge incident he's probably refering to is the bite of 87.
Why would he be Naive before then and presumably *not* Naive after? It's just an Animatronic that bit someone's face off.
*Not* a deliberate coverup of a bunch of children who got murdered, hiding evidence from the police themselves intentionally, including going so far as to seal up said evidence under the excuse of "budget"...
>any year before 87 and after 83 are viable to be the year in which he made the first tranning tapes
85 at most.
The Springlocks are retired due to a "Multiple Simultaneous Springlock Failure" that occurs at a Sister Location (FNAF 2 likely), which gets the Springlocks retired.
However, it's later stated that management has noticed the Spring Bonnie suit has been moved/used and people taken into the Saferoom, and warns NOT to touch the suits as mentioned previously.
The next tape mentions them being hidden with a False Wall and that NOBODY is to mention the rooms to anyone, nor is anything being taken out.
@@higueraft571 i concide in saying i was incorrect but, i don't think you are either only because i just saw this th-cam.com/video/Z_pkMA92FZA/w-d-xo.html video
2:49 I still believe that because this Bonnie is a bright blue, it can’t be the fnaf 1 animatronic. I think that it’s the 1st Bonnie like the one we see on the 1983 advert
I think 1998 is compelling. It would mean FNAF 3 takes place in 2028, as it's stated it opened after Freddy's closes it's doors. This makes more sense to be the final location and not the first as, it would be strange wording when you realize Fazbears opened a new restaurant only two years later in 1987, after the 1985 location closed. I also feel like 2015 is just to far away for reasons I'll explain in a minute.
2028 would debunk the theory that FNAF 6 is in 2023 because of Henry's audio logs. Guess it really was just his 223 file. Now we don't know how long it took Henry to create FNAF 6, but most assume it's within a year of FNAF 3. This is reasonable, if not solely for the fact that, the longer the time frame, the longer Darktrap is roaming Utah. And the longer he needs to stay in hiding without interacting with Scrap Baby as they met in FNAF 6. (I just realized, assuming Sister Location is also around 1998, Molten Freddy, Scrap Baby, and Puppet were roaming around Utah for a 30 years.)
Anyway, we know from a poster in Security Breach (assuming this can still be used post Dawko interview) that puts the game in 2035. This is why 2028 is more reasonable then 2015. Only being a difference of 7 years and not 20 years from FNAF 3/6, minus a year or so if you think the Pizza Plex was open before 2035. The longer the time between FNAF 6 and Security Breach, the longer that sinkhole sits without being used. I really don't see the burned down building not being touched for over 20 years.
>that puts the game in 2035. This is why 2028 is more reasonable then 2015.
Wouldnt that be a HUGE stretch though??? Why would you want *less* time between FNAF 6 and the Pizzaplex being built, completed, and open for several years?
2022 for FNAF 3 and 2023 for FNAF 6 seems the most likely, given provided info.
Even if the Pizzaplex was built 7 years after FNAF 6 or so (giving enough time for the company to rebuilt AND the general 2-5 years estimate to build a mall), that'd still give it a solid 5~ years of Operation approximately.
>I really don't see the burned down building not being touched for over 20 years.
If we took the Book *and* Game evidence, it WAS touched early on in construction with plans as a "museum" of sorts, abandoned, paved over, and forgotten until problems with Roxy Raceway came up which prompted employees to rediscover it.
@@higueraft571the mimic and storyteller both heavily imply that the Pizzaplex opens in 2024-2025. FNAF 3 in 2028 breaks the entire timelime as we know it. This person has no idea what he's talking about
@@ManBird999 >the mimic and storyteller both heavily imply that the Pizzaplex opens in 2024-2025.
I wouldnt exactly *trust* the Books for that date, as a note (especially since it seems the Mimic is going off Course even Further)
But yeah, i have NO idea why they think 2028 FNAF 3 would somehow fit SB better? Especially since Henry pretty much Razed the Company.
No evidence for the date itself compared to 2023
5:50 that would mean the restaurant closed after Ralph left beacuse in the book on night 2 if you badly put on the bonnies head you get fired bc it scared people
i feel like using the november date is very iffy… november 12 1993 was a friday, and since its the SAME date for fnaf 1 and 2, it feels more likely that scott just copypasted the image and changes the year.
He picked nov 12 because its a friday, and looked up “minimum wage 1993”, that makes the most sense to me.
>He picked nov 12 because its a friday
???
Who the hell would choose "Friday the 12th" for a Horror game? Especially when the sequel has Payday objectively on *Thursday,* and "Friday the 13th" for Night 6's overtime pay?
>and looked up “minimum wage 1993”
Important note:
The Minimum Wage was the same from 1991-1996. Meaning 1992 works perfectly. It has Friday the 13th occur in that year/dates given, and it matches the Minimum Wage perfectly.
14:40 You could fit this into a way older fan theory that Foxy Go Go Go is a third kill event separate from the MCI and DCI, taking place at the FNAF 1 location and resulting in Foxy shutting down. That would also cover the weird timing of Phone Guy talking about previous shutdowns, a temporary one after that.
This is an interesting point, I haven't heard it before. However, I have no idea how this would line up with Into The Pit unless any discrepancies are due to it being an agony manifestation or whatnot, since Foxy is already out of order in Pirate Cove by the time of the '85 MCI in the game. It seems to me at least that TWB is hinting at Foxy being the aggressor of the Bite of '87 ("never bit any *kids*"), and that being the reason he never left Pirate Cove after FNAF 2.
Ralph can’t have recorded that message any earlier than 1983 because he doesn’t know what Fredbear’s Family Diner is in that Night 5 Phone Call
>because he doesn’t know what Fredbear’s Family Diner is
Correction, he didnt remember the exact name of it because it'd been closed for a long time.
"Uh, I think the name of the place was... "Fredbear's Family Diner" or something like that. It's been closed for years, though, I doubt we'll be able to track anybody down."
The fact that he named it means he DOES know what it is...
@@higueraft571 oh yeah that’s true
I appreciate the follow through on using the "but now its proven" clip you mentioned in the podcast before lol
Hey so I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this but like, it sounds like evidence for 1998?
If Copelia is 11, and those tapes were taken when she was born. Him saying "a big reason why you couldn't take the night shift yourself at the time." Is actually REALLY relevant no? cause if it was "at the time" then that can be any similar date, and if that similar date is in 1987, then we know that "at the time", he had also recorded a message saying "we may move you to the day shift, a position just became... available. Uh we don't have a replacement for your shift yet".
Your position was the night shift. In a separate message he mentioned that his daughter being born is a reason he couldn't take the night shift at the time of that message. If they were both recorded in 1987 then that REALLY lines up no? Just some thoughts I had, I'm kinda late lmao.
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
The minimum wage actually gives a range that 93 happens to fit into; 92 also works with it. GiBi goes over it in his super long timeline (with timestamps)
OMG I HAD A THEORY WAY BACK THAT FNAF WAS IN 1998 BACK WHEN YOU DID THE SOLVING THE LORE WITH NO BOOKS
I used the date we had 1993 and used Utahs average length of time a building can remain left to rot after being closed (since according to a faz fact The fnaf 1 location was open from 1988-1983) for anyone wondering the lenght of time is 5 years
>since according to a faz fact The fnaf 1 location was open from 1988-1983
From what i remember, that got de-canonized/deconfirmed. So i'd definitely question if this is reliable info honestly
An Illumix Employee stating how they werent written by Scott, and shouldnt be used for lore
@@higueraft571 wait The faz facts are from security breach which were developed by steel wool not illumix
@@pig3gu SOME Faz Facts are from Security Breach. Some are from exclusively Special Delivery, which was made by Illumix. The 1988-1993 one is from SD.
@@higueraft571 okay thanks i didnt know that
6:55 what if the person isn’t working mon-fri? Realistically he would be but his days might be sat-wed for example. Anyway great theory
The animatronics in the "Follow me" are the unwithered animatronics since bonnie and freddy both have buttons witch are only on the withered animatronics
The cat trying to bite you and then the video cutting to you with a different cat is so funny
Saying “That is The Week Before, the new interactive FNaF novel” has become the Golden Freddy thumbnail of this channel
Don't know if you'll see this but there's a bit of an issue with placing it in 1998. Coppelia's birthday is the month after TWB according to Ralph, meaning it's closer to 12 years than 11 years after she was born. If FNaF 1 was in 1998, that would put her birth in December of 1996, and make FNaF 2 around 11 months away. Not really making it "shortly" after she was born. And if Coppelia was born in 1987, that would put her birth at least a few weeks after the FNaF 2 location already shut down. One last issue is Ralph says Coppelia's birth is why he couldn't take the night shift but in FNaF 2, Phone guy says he intends to implying Coppelia hasn't been born yet. Assumming isn't an inconsistency with the book and game it's self. There are like 2 or 3 other contradictions in the story.
There is on thing that deconfirms 1998 to me, and that's the fact Coppelia's birthday is next month (and since FNAF1 takes place in november, her birthday is somewhere in December). However, that would mean Ralph recorder his phone call shortly after December 1987, which doesn't work on two fronts:
1, the FNAF2 restaurant is almost assuredly already closed even if we go by the paycheck dating it to November 1987, since the place was open for what, a week or two before the bite happened and the whole place shut down? So I find it incredibly unlikely Ralph would do that call then
2, that would be incompatible with the November paycheck itself because Jeremy can't be the victim of the Bite somewhere in November and also have the restaurant still be open in December if not January 1988
And mind you, Ralph could be fudging the details - that's what I use to defend 1993 - but I find it weirder for Ralph to think Coppelia was already born when she wasn't, rather than him thinking the call was shortly after her birth when it reality it was more like a year or so after. Idk, one feels more believable than the other imo
honestly i figured it took place mid-to-late 90s both bc of given, concrete years (83, 87) aligning with fnaf 4 minigames and fnaf 2 respectively, and bc of the fnaf movie taking place in 2000. i know the movie is a different continuity so it doesn't mean much but it gave a pretty decent cap to the list of possible years. (95-2000).
I have zero thoughts on timelines, if I try it hurts, but I’ll always listen to you tell me while I make mac and cheese :D
1998 - 20 years = 1978. This is one year before Fall Fest 1979.
Your videos are super good bro came to know your channel I while ago now and I am loving every single one of em keep the good work coming boss
1998 would also line up very well with the timeframe that the movie is in!
at 1:30 he tells his cat off & mysteriously has another one