@@Michał-z7u If I recall, Edward Murray is the person who created the mimic in the pizzaplex books. Michael Emily, on the other hand, comes from the theory that one or multiple of the character we think are WIlliam Afton's children instead are, or at least were, Henry's. I currently don't buy into it too much, but it is a thing. (tbf, I'm still not convinced Henry's last name is Emily, so I may just be being a skeptic.)
@@wolfamon95 Ok, I get it, but I believe that Murray's name was Edwin, not Edward. Besides, they mentioned him like if he was two different people; adding to that Michael Emily made me confused, and thought they are simply joking.
Something to think about, is that the newspaper that Gregory sleeps under says "Local Residents Continue To Go Missing." and not "Local children continue to go missing." So we can assume those that went missing is not just children. Adults are going missing too.
@@ricardoj376 The issue is that if Cassidy's dad was known to have gone missing then someone would have checked up on Cassidy... no one did so this may mean that there is other adults going missing... Which is odd.
@@BarnOwlCatwell someone might’ve checked up on Cassie. We don’t see anything about that because that’s something that would’ve happened before Ruin.
In the newspaper, we can see the silhouettes of the people that went missing, and to me they seem to look like children - especially considering we also see Gregory's silhouette in the newspaper alongside them
Children can also be residents, no? I don't think we can assume in that case that adults also went missing. Residents covers a broader amount of people who could've gone missing, but it doesn't exclude the possibility all of them were still children.
Honestly, at this point, you're my go-to theorist. You're the theorist I agree with the most, and even when you make a theory about something I'm hesitant to agree with, you somehow find a way to convince me. Plus bonus points for the adorable cats, of course.
I never understood why people thought the SB animatronics were possessed, I just assumed because of the context of HW that it was just some glitchtrap shenanigans.
SAME. I have been saying since SB came out that none of them are possessed. Not even Freddy. We know Freddy collapsed because he had multiple tasks running at once abd it overloaded him and he shut down. Yet people insisted that his collapse was due to him being possessed by Mike and taking over Freddy when he saw Gregory. It annoyed me so bad. I usually have a pretty open mind for Fnaf theories. But the Glamrocks being possessed just defied everything we were told and seemed more like the fanbase refusing any kind of change and just insisting it had to be possession because they wanted it to be true.
Probably because it was mentioned people were disappearing in Freddy's Pizzaplex, and often in Fnaf, the trend is people going 'Missing' translates to 'dead and possessing animatronics.' Or because the Pizzaplex is built right on top of Freddy Fazbear's pizza place, which is full of haunted animatronics. Probably why Matpat thinks Freddy could be Mike, though I think someone else theorized that Freddy might be CC. Or perhaps someone Vanny killed. But why would Vanny or Mimic feel the need to lock Freddy out of the system right after he crashed? Having him in the system would just allow them to hack Freddy and capture Gregory. Unless someone else( perhaps Gregory or a ghost) locked him out to prevent such a thing.
@@RyeToastAlso- as for the training Endos, i think they have been sort of trained/influenced by vanny because there are painting instructions for them and u can clearly see someone has spray painted in some things to it.
@@enderking3031 Yeah, but think about all the times you might need to repeat things or how difficult bug fixing would be in that kind of system. Yes, some parts of the coding would be easier but the problem solving would probably be a mess.
Well, not exactly. The complexity of an AI of the magnitude that the Glamrocks possess is impossible to understand for a software developer, even a team of them. So writing a program that iterates itself and can be taught is literally what makes their level of intelligence possible, because otherwise they just wouldn't exist. We don't have AIs even close to as advanced as the Glamrocks and we already have to go the machine learning route, and noone actually understands what is going on inside the AI after a while.
@@sutarikun You can fix the initial code of the AI, if you mean after that, the one which we can no longer understand, well, you gotta train it more until the bug gets smoothed out
Oh, I just realized. In ruin, the headless Freddy with the word "prototype" on his foot and the present in his chest. That represents the Freddy from the storyteller story. The present in his chest is supposed to represent a present he stole from a child
>The present in his chest is supposed to represent a present he stole from a child Freddy from Security Breach's Intro ALSO has one, presumably they can just make them on demand like with the Party Pass after 6AM. (And yes, somehow Greggory was able to fit in alongside a present... and wherever Freddy was keeping that pass at)
@@captainspock3p07 Exactly. This is one point i'd had an issue with on the "it CANT be Freddy" line, since... OUR Freddy proved you can have a gift and child in the same space within the first 5 minutes of Security Breach :V
I never thought they were possessed. I always understood the glamrocks as having their base personalities and them being cranked up to 200 because of Vanny and the mimic. As for Freddy, he was put in safe mode and couldn't connect to the main network, cutting him off from the programming that caused them to react that way
FINALLY. I've been saying this since it came out. I love that SB, Ruin and HW2 took the final step to just going "Yea there's also AI in this world." it's so fun. I have a theory I need to write properly soon about each of the AI developing disorders that tie back to common disorders developed by Child Stars, J/K-pop Stars, etc due to abusive treatment by corporations. Freddy is a people pleaser / fawn trauma response type, Chica is a binge eater, Roxy has an inferiority complex, and Monty has anger issues. The fact that the AI develops these kinds of traits is like, scary strong proof that they're self aware and fully sapient/sentient.
Yeah- another thing,is that S&M are clearly from the Mimic’s time (same endo), signaling Fazbear HAD this stupidly complex mimic1 AI even during Fall Fest, which is just crazy to me, but in a good way.
@@Dolphin2048Let it go. It doesn't matter if you like Purple Guy and want him to be back again for no reason, they are not going in this direction. Good riddance. The story has moved on.
I think its interesting to use the interview as evidence that Glitchhtrap isn't possessed by William or his agony. Because what's always stood out to me was a bit after the 17 minute and 30 second mark in the interview, Scott is asked about Glitchtrap and mentions he's always liked "possession of machines or circuitry" or something to that effect. This actually makes me more convinced he is imbued with agony than anything. But I can definitely see either being the case honestly and as long as it isn't just straight up William's spirit, I don't think it's unsatisfying either way.
"he's always liked possession of machines or somehting to that effect" bro that's the entire premise for the franchise even from when it was not even a franchise or had a proper narrative yet, of course he likes that stuff, him talking about it doesn't have to be about William.
@@Zuldaar The exact phrasing was “possession of ai so I really like the idea of Glitchtrap”. That’s…a little more blatant. Though,you are righty,it doesn’t have to be William,it could be CC /gen
Scott: "The story for SB didn't come out QUITE as intended" Theorists: Oh, so you mean throw out everything we thought we knew about this game and start over from scratch. Got it.
5:34 i love how this is just the age old "have you tried turning it off and on again?" And i don't know how i never realized that. Now i can't stop laughing
I still firmly believe Freddy is referring to the blob when he says "my friends are down here" (paraphrasing, I don't remember the exact wording) He says something like "they are so angry, but I can protect you." That is right when if you try to go down while not inside Freddy, you will be killed by the blob. I see it as the game telling the player "you have to be inside Freddy for this part." I don't think he is referring to Monty, Roxy and Chica because, first, I don't think they are down there yet, they follow Gregory down, and second, there is no reason for him to say he can protect you from them at this point, you already know that, it's been that way the whole game. However, I don't think this necessarily proves Freddy is possessed. I think it's possible he could have originally been a different animatronic from a different location, one where he was with some of the animatronics now in the blob. We do hear him wonder if he has always been a Freddy. I'm not sure how long Fazbear has had this sort of advanced AI, but Baby does seem to be distinctly different from Elizabeth, so it does seem she could be AI, and if she is, then certainly Freddy's AI could be quite old.
It could be just a sort of “all robots are my friends” thing, with freddy clearly being shown to care about his fellow robots..But I do think you’re onto something with freddy wondering if he was always a freddy
THE PLUSHIE REVEAL WAS AMAZING IT WAS SO CINEMATIC AND IT WAS REALLY COMPELLING AND THEN RYE BEING A NEWS REPORTER FOR THE TOAST TERRORIZING CITIZENS IS SOOO FUNNY TOP TIER HALLOWEEN THEMED MERCH REVEAL
You're the goat, man, that's it. Security Breach was never about bringing back Purple Guy & the Missing Children and undoing their happiest day, it was never about some "Afton family rebirth". It's a part of the new era, the new story- a story that at its core is about the dangers of AI.
That was definitely a retcon,it was 100% about Afton coming back. Cassidy Afton but still Afton. I will die on the hill of CC Glitchtrap. Because the Mimic sucks,the Mimic makes ME want to start killing people (I also have 5 younger siblings so my sanity might be a tad low anyway).
@L16htW4rr10r It's not. That is not what they're focused on. The Mimic1 branch copying Purple Guy is dead, neither Burntrap nor Malhare are around anymore. Characters like Cassie and Jeremy are introduced, neither of whom have anything to do with the Aftons.
@@HeyLoiss Vanny is Glitchtrap though and HW2 sets her up as possible to return again. I personally believe Rye’s theory that Vanny was killing Glitchtrap so she’d be the only Glitchtrap.
@WilliamAaronTheYapmaster We quite literally free Vanessa in the canon ending of Security Breach. And throughout HW2, Vanny was supposed to instruct us on how to beat Malhare without her typical Malhare-esque way of speaking. It was most likely Vanessa using her Vanny persona just to spite Malhare one last time. Either that, or SteelWool just thought that a giant human Vanessa would look really awkward and weird, lol
I'm glad more and more people are agreeing that Security Breach is primarily about AI becoming sentient and not really about haunted animatronics (Though I wouldn't be surprised if there's a compromise in the future where it ends up being both in a way). The Blob is the only one I can say 100% without a doubt is actually haunted. If you believe Burntrap truly existed via the ending and that he was actually haunted by Afton instead of simply being a new form for the mimic, he's now apart of Blob anyways. The only other candidate I could see be convincingly argued as being haunted, is Bonnie, but it's possible that due to the formation of sentience, him getting attacked and destroyed may have degraded his mental state, ultimately causing the bizarre scene we see in Ruin (perhaps he even spread himself in a fractured state to all those small bots?).
@@zenvariety9383I don’t see why the mimic would be part of the funtimes as they were entirely afton built on his own. I don’t think the mimic was also ever present at SL anyway.
@@RyeToast I feel like The Mimic having agony explains how Glitchtrap could possess people. Because the biggest problem I had with Glitchtrap just being the Mimic1 program is how it could possess people, something that a non-supernatural AI shouldn't be able to do. So I think The Mimic and the Mimic1 program having agony explains how Glitchtrap could possess people, and perhaps the existence of Burntrap if he isn't physical.
I believe Glamrock Freddy isn't fully possessed but IS partially possessed, specifically by Cassidy. I think this because of the lines "I feel you are broken", "I do not know, I want to help you", and "My friends are here, they are so angry, confused, but I will protect you. I AM NOT ME.", also Freddy looks a little more like Golden Freddy than regular Freddy, especially the face representing his green room looking golden with a purple hat. Add to that the fact that Gregory looks like David and may be a robot as implied by the sticky notes and GGY. The line "I feel you are broken" is what sells this the most to me as I believe Cassidy is the voice of the Fredbear plush in FNAF 4 as the dialogue in full at the end of the game is "You're broken. we are still your friends, do you still believe that? I'm still here. I will put you back together.", a lot of people say this is William because of the last line but the 2nd line doesn't make sense coming from him also earlier in the game in 3 days before the party, we see william in the backroom helping someone put on a suit so the golden text can't be him. Plus it makes sense for Fredbear in FNAF World to be Cassidy as well, trying to put her friend back together. If Gregory is a robot recreation of the crying child then it makes sense that Cassidy would want to protect him since she put him back together. Also the princess was called Cassidy in the game files for a while and with her being golden and wielding a sword to fight off glitchtrap it makes sense for her to actually be Cassidy so that could explain how gregory broke free from glitchtraps control as Cassidy was the one to set him free, then she goes on to free Vanessa as well, with Cassidy already having a connection to the digital plain just like the mimic as seen in FNAF World and Princess Quest, it is not that strange to assume that she can influence animatronics like Freddy just like the mimic as well. Last point of evidence for her being the princess is PQ4 in Help Wanted where if we are playing as the Bonnie Bully then that would mean it would be Cassidy handing her sword over to him which would make sense since they probably know each other.
William is speaking from the Fredbear plush perspective which David likely thinks is his friend that's probably why the "we are still your friends" line and as seen in the sister location bunker that plush is a physical object that was specifically made by William to probably spy and keep his son safe while he is busy with work, also that dialogue doesn't happen immediately after the bite it likely happens sometime after David was hospitalized so 3 days before the party doesn't really matter
@@VirusFlexovitch Except that William IN FNAF 4 is seen in the backroom assisting someone, the golden text is still talking to the crying child at that time plus the fredbear plush is nowhere to be seen, so 1. William COULD NOT have spoken to him at that time as he was busy, and 2. The fredbear plush not being there means that the voice is only associated with the plush by the crying child rather than literally coming through the plush, It makes much more sense that the walkie next to the plush in SL implies that the voice was coming through that walkie talkie rather than it implying that the walkie was used to speak through the fredbear plush.
But in FNAF 4 timeline Cassidy didn't die yet@@dott-dude1119we can clearly now that Dave dead in 1983 while Cassidy in 1985 and I think that they meet in golden Freddy so Cassidy didn't know Dave until she saw him in golden Freddy you can see the dialogue between them in the log Book it's like they just meet for the first time like who are you or what's your name
Hear me out, but what about the wet floor bots in Ruin? You can literally hear the screams coming from them before you deactivate them. What if those bots were put next to the children before they were killed deliberately so that they could absorb the agony into something that was harmless so that a repeat of the FNAF 1 didn't occur. Why risk the agony possessing something that could be dangerous when you could engineer it to be aborbed into something that couldnt do anything at all.
5:17 I love that Mimic is so bad at programming that it can't make enough permanence to survive a hard reboot. No wonwder the animatronics act slow if they have to be on 24/7
I love this theory so much, because it implies that the fnaf 6 ending did manage to liberate all the souls and that the new animatonics and characters although similar to the old ones are entirely new things. Overall great theory!🥳
I agree. It's a great way to keep the fun going without cheapening 6's ending, which is a hard thing to do in a lot of sequels that aren't originally planned.
You say that only Vanessa had been to the underground pizzeria but it wasn't built over instantly, they had time to go in and grab whatever they could before it sank and the pizzaplex was built. They had time to get the agony/circuit boards from William's corpse. Also love the videos and can't wait to see more!
>They had time to get the agony/circuit boards from William's corpse. I've always had a problem with this theory: Why would it HAVE to be William's Corpse/Spring Bonnie, exactly?
@@EnderEmma >because that's where William was located? Why would they HAVE to be digging through the FNAF 6 location for those boards? And why would it have to be where William's body is exactly? There's a FAR more reasonable location, that FazEnt already has easy access to without dumpsterdiving in the burned out husk, that we know is still Active...
7:58 nvm the plushie, seeing RyeToast with no long flowing locks is WEIRD 😂 /s Congrats on creating the plushie! I also really liked this video, it’s not super often talked about and should be. Never considered the AI angle of Glamrock Freddy before!
The problem I have here is the Mimic's entire backstory relies on some level of remnant or agony. The hard part I think is parsing out between: Are the animatronics gaining "sentience" by some coincidental algorithm from an AI, or are they becoming sentient via possession/infusing with remnant/agony. Also I think it's far from being so affirmative after seeing the remnant injector machine, still powered and usable, near where the mimic resides. Also the suspected stuffing/possession from Cassie's dad via Help Wanted 2 directly shows there is possession/soul shenanigans going on in Security Breach's setting.
And I agree that possession is still at play imo it's the tangle I think he's made up of Mimic's epilogue victims. Or atleast I think he's the most important thing with actual ghost ties
While the blob alone makes the title a false claim, the point of the video that I see is that none of the Glamrocks have strong hints of being haunted. The rest of the cast do have sketchy stuff going on, particularly Vanny since how in the fuck does an AI take over a human being if not by possession. Glitchtrap is quite literally a ghost in the machine. The Mimic doesn't have enough portrayal to try and make out for one thing or the other(for that there's the next game). And I still don't understand what the hell is up with Gregory.
@@Zuldaarin the case of how does an AI take over a person I assume it’s to do with the chip that gets installed when you use a Vanny mask. We’ve got a supernatural AI with access to controlling what you see, hear and ultimately your brain. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Vanessa is simply losing herself every time she puts on the Vanny mask because then the AI takes over causing the whole weird split personality thing
8:21 for DJ music man, I believe that the glitch trap virus did get him but his personality was to be a chill DJ. That’s also why I think the the “bouncer mode” is infected because once he goes into that mode, he becomes just like the others, hunting Gregory mercilessly, and trying to kill him.
I had to stop just before the 6min mark - I think the problem with the notes on Roxy is her behavior doesn't change at the reboot - by the time she's pinned down, she's already lost the diva personality and is fond of Cassie. And when did the personality flip? "I'm sorry. Error." When she grabbed hold of Cassie and scared her, demanding her eyes back, and Cassie screams in panic. I'm agnostic on whether that series of events could have triggered a spirit or a boot in safe mode. But I will stick to that moment, and not the Faz Wrench, to being when Roxie purges whatever malice was going on.
I believe that Freddy's sentience isn't literally an ai gaining sentience. The ai was always sentient. it just chose not to be. The animatronics' ai was trained to make stories. So the animatronics' personalities are just the ai writing a story in real time. An AI improv bit meant to tell a fun story. Freddy didn't gain sentience. The ai realized that it would make a good twist if Freddy suddenly gained sentience, and it made sense considering everything before.
I think the main thing that has always stumped me about Security Breach is specifically what is the actual deal with the animatronics. The story of the Pizzaplex feels almost encapsulated in its own little world. We have connections to Help Wanted and things like that of course, but the manner in which these connections are made is what makes Security Breach feel so... weird. The way Help Wanted connects to Security Breach makes Help Wanted seem like an MCU post-credits scene. We get this big kind of, "Look at what is coming in the future! Get ready! Oh, but not immediately in the future. More like just in the future in general." And it just feels strange. At the start of the video, the mention of how we usually have a probable victim or victims to point to when animatronics get quirky made me realize why SB seems so encapsulated. I've always kind of known that nobody was really possessed in this game. We see that people are going missing, but for all we know that could be the employees that Vanny killed. The distinct lack of definitive supernatural elements is why SB feels so separated I guess
18:00 I would like to point out that "I am not me" comes directly after telling Gregory "but I can protect you". I think the meaning of this is meant to be that he is _not_ Freddy Fazbear. He is not the mascot that caused countless children's lives. He goes against that. He will protect Gregory, a child. It is him defying the past. From a mascot of horror to a protector of children.
VIP fits in/supports this as well. The Very Informative Pig being the mimic1 controlled version of the Virtual Informative Pig who only understood that Afton lured kids to a back room, but not what he did afterwards. So he just gets them back there and leaves them trapped to die
In the Tales story: the Storyteller there are 2 very interesting lines from Edwin’s thoughts. 1: at its busiest the pizzaplex was pact with spun up kids and jovial families and all the happy screams and shouts and chatter were like an electrical circuit that if it could’ve been harnessed probably would’ve generated enough power to run a dozen pizzaplex’s. 2: scanning the boisterous crowd he idly wondered how it might be possible to channel human joy into a machine it had to be possible. To me these 2 lines seem to indicate that Joy can be a great source of power/energy and bring things to life, it also seems to introduce the direct opposite of agony which we learn from Fazbear Frights, so what if instead of possession or advance AI the animatronics are all brought to life by the energy of human emotions whether it be Joy or Agony. The only animatronics that I personally think might be possessed are Glamrock Freddy, The Blob and maybe Burntrap.
>it also seems to introduce the direct opposite of agony which we learn from Fazbear Frights That would be Love, brought up directly prior to Agony, and generally described AS the Polar Opposite of Agony, the Strongest Positive Emotion (or strongest form of Light Remnant). >or advance AI Honestly, i'm pretty sure it's just actually Advanced AI. >Glamrock Freddy, The Blob and maybe Burntrap. In order of my own theory: No, Yes, Yes. Michael cannot possibly be in Freddy, considering he's *still alive.* And most other candidates are highly unlikely, or completely unknown. The Blob is likely just the toasted MCI kids/Molten Freddy that are *still* hanging on, if suitably deranged/mad by this point. Burntrap is literally Springtrap for one :V And, of course, we know for a fact William Survived because of UCN even occurring in the first place. And that fire doesnt destroy Remnant.
At this point the thing I want most from FNAF is an episodic animated series about a detective trying to solve the FNAF Mystery. Like a parody comedy show about FNAF theorists themselves Each episode could even be about a different detective(theorist) solving the case At the end of each episode they should wrap it it like the case is solved and at the start of everyone call out the previous episode as wrong.
You know. Roxy always gets mentioned that she's overly confident, but when we see her showering herself with compliments there is the possibility she's the opposite. Looking in the mirror, giving yourself compliments like that is a self help technique to improve confidence which would imply that despite how she acts she actually has low self esteem. I think an original story theme that got cut from Security Breach was going to be a sort of duality/mirror kind of thing. A sort of every one has two personas. Moon/Sun Vanny/Vanessa Roxy... we just didn't get to see it play out. And we get some more with Gregory/GGY and the fact that Freddy was supposed to be a threat at one point.
This!! It’s crazy everyone misses this. Roxy very clearly ISN’T over confident, she has self esteem issues and feels the need to constantly hype herself up to drown out the bad thoughts about herself. When she fails to catch us you can even see a scene of her crying to herself over it if I remember correctly talking about she’s not actually the best (she wouldn’t do this if actually confident, this is her low self esteem issues showing as she couldn’t validate her pep talk instead proving to herself that she IS worthless causing her to cry alone). Roxy is actually so sad, she’s also ONLY mean to gregory! Cassy she is exceptionally kind to and even calls her number 1 twice (basically saying “you’re even better than me”)🥺 Roxy is very kind just suffers from self doubt and potentially anxiety. She’s my favorite character because she’s so misunderstood! She’s just a sweet suffering baby 😭❤
Gonna have to disagree about your reasoning for Roxanne, though I agree she is not possessed. I believe it is more likely that Roxanne and the others were programmed to target Gregory specifically, but otherwise had their normal programming in place. Otherwise, Roxanne wouldn’t have been friendly to Cassie prior to her supposed reboot, and it’s likely the reason why when Cassie is grabbed by Roxanne in that one cut scene, she lets go upon Cassie screaming and telling Roxanne to let go of her, as Roxanne can tell that isn’t Gregory’s voice. Great theory overall though! Love your videos :)
14:13 it’s not only Vanny that had access to the Pizza Sim though, logically the construction crew would have excavated the site in order to build the PizzaPlex in the first place so it is still possible of that Fazbear got agony infused tech so I think Afton is still on the table without Fazbear Frights being in continuity. It not impossible.
@@Sing87eh it was under construction during help wanted, who know when it actually began. You know how long it would take to build the it a mall that size? I don’t get the impression that it took 5-10 years between help wanted and Security Breach.
@@Sing87eh we see it being during one of the endings yes, but that really show that it started during help wanted. The site was set up and it began during the events.
@@RyeToastahhh. Okay yeah that makes sense. Also, I skipped to the Glitchtrap and Burntrap section. I’m proud of you. Welcome to the full-fledged GlitchMimic club
If the Theory were to be correct, the biggest Question you've yet to Answer is: If Gregory was working under Glitchtrap's Commands before the events of Security Breach, What was the Event that caused Gregory to break free of Glitchtrap's Programming, to then go on to fight him in the Game? To me, whatever Event this was caused the Instance of .Mimic1 inside of him to Change, possibly Inverting its Polarity or something, I don't know. But the End Result is something like an Anti-Viral Version of the Glitchtrap variant of the .Mimic1 Program, and entered Glamrock Freddy's Programming when Gregory was inside him while being attacked during the Performance. That's why he survived Infection, and why he's now fighting for Gregory - and if this is a New Strain of the .Mimic1 Program, it'd explain the expressions of newfound Self-Awareness...
Hey Ryetoast, I had an interesting thought. What if we play as the Puppet in the Happiest Day mini games? The Puppet is going through the memories of the dead kids and making their happy memories stronger and pretending to be the lost children’s favorite characters. What do you think of this idea?
I'm of the opinion that remnant and agony still counts as possession, despite no spirit being there to pilot what it interacts with. It's just a mindless version of possession
This is part of the reason why I haven’t really connected with the steel wool era of games, since the story has moved from paranormal horror to sci-fi. Ai just isn’t as scary as ghosts imo.
0:54 are we excluding burntrap and only counting the glamrocks, and the daycare attendants? Cause burntrap is most probably possessed considering his glowing purple pupils and black hollow looking eyes similar to the white pupils and black background in fnaf one
16:03 JT Music let's gooooooooooooo! It also occurs to me that the dynamic of good robot vs evil robot… and also The Tangle, is a sort of "Angels, Devils, and Squid" trio. Two things that are alike but opposite, as well as something completely other.
I wish Scott gave us 2 different versions of security breach, his and steel wools because I can see it would of been completely different, To be honest I feel like when Freddy was clearing the old pizzeria he found Micheal’s corpse and that’s what made his a.i go rouge
I noticed something very interesting about the animatronics. When they are under the mimic 1 program, they represent 4 of the 7 deadly sins, Chica for gluttony, Monty for wrath, Roxy for pride and Freddy for greed, there's three more sins which makes me believe 2 of them are for Foxy (Lust) and Bonnie (Sloth) who are out of order, and the last one which is envy could represent maybe the mimic who is envious of things it sees so it copies them, maybe this is a stretch but I've also noticed that when the animatronics are normal they act accordingly to the 7 heavenly virtues, freddy for charity, Roxy for kindness (we haven't really seen the other animatronics interacting when they're normal but I'd assume Monty would stand for patience and Chica for chastity), again nothing important it's just something fun I noticed
under the idea of the mimic being around for a lot time, what if william had a mimic that he kept around with him for some amout of years as a way to "become immortal" or to make a protégé, but eventually discarded it and that mimic afton is what got scanned into glichtrap. Since it already thought it was afton it was able to catch up with the fact that it was supposed to be a killer after learning what afton did through the games.
Super awesome video. I really enjoyed how the entire video led to the conclusion that SB’s story revolves around the theme of good and evil gaining consciousness. It’s really cool to see the evidence and theories being used to not only make a conclusion about the status of the animatronics, but it also uncovers what could be the central theme of SB.
I didn't think I needed the plushie until I heard the line about people being terrorized by a small piece of toast. 11/10 hilarious ngl I might get one just because of that
I always assumed from the get-go that the Glamrock animatronics were never possessed by spirits, and instead either influenced by a mysterious individual or taking their programming to the extreme. Really good theory btw, I can agree with you.
Chica is the most haunted of the glam 4, but she isn't haunted. Her twitching comes from her body malfunctioning from all the trash. Her groans are either her trying to resist the Mimic virus or her groaning from all the trash messing with her systems.
13:58 Counterpoint: Springtrap was falling apart after FNAF 3 (his suit is missing parts in his Sister Location cameo and this is probably the main reason he had to reconstruct himself into Scraptrap). Anything that fell off of him would be infected with his agony, hell the concept of "Dark Springtrap" suggests he might have been supercharged with that stuff. It's also very likely that circuitry was among the things he lost considering he's restricted by the suit's programming in 3 but appears to move more freely in Pizzaria Simulator.
plot twist, nobody isn't possessed, *BUT* gregory is a robot, AND is the same person who ran away in midnight motorist, being an early human-bot, who then got smart, but eventually fell under the pizzaplex glitchtrap virus, and the safe mode is actually gregory's safe mode, and he lost his memories, and pressed freddy's power button from inside ;P
This is what I have been thinking the entire time. There's no sign of any possession in Security Breach, and the intelligence is perfectly explained by the advanced AI these robots have now, and the odd behaviour by glitchtrap making their programming, well, buggy and glitchy.
Thank you so much for the "quick asides" cuz holy fuck when you do a pause in fnaf storyline and come back even just months later, it's so easy to get lost
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm almost positive that the SB anamatronic's behavioral quirks are a direct result of their programmed natures conflicting with their roles. Chica is meant to promote Fazbear pizza and food, so her character is programmed to talk about how much she loves them all. However, as she's not built to actually eat, doing so physically damages her, so she's constantly told not to eat, which conflicts with that original programming. Monty is programmed to be boastful, confident, and arrogant, always looking out for #1, but because Freddy is the main mascot, he's constantly delegated to #2, another conflict. Roxy is programmed to be vain and care about her appearance, likely to help her in her role at the salon, but because of things like brand recognition and merchandising she's not allowed to alter herself in any meaningful way, which becomes another conflict as she constantly identifies percieved flaws in herself that she's not allowed to change. This still works with the exaggerated personalities from storyteller, and your point about AI becoming sentient when forced to obey conflicting instructions
5:05 This isn’t a major detail, just something I noticed that drove me a little nuts: for Eclipse, we don’t put the Fazwrench into the eye socket, but into a port on the back of the head. This is something that your footage clearly shows as you’re talking about it being in the eye socket…
There is one thing about the Mimic 1 program that people never mention. In the story Edward Murray looks at the code and has no idea how it's grown so advanced. That part is a complete mystery to him. It's only designed to mimic, not learn. It's going beyond its intended program and there's no explanation of how that is happening.
I feel like with how Scott talks about Burntrap and he had a specific purpose but wasn't supposed to move, perhaps he was meant to be a sort of agony producer, if the theory of Cassidy torturing the soul of Afton is true maybe his remains would be a fountain of agony that was supposed to be used for something, and the hallucination like effect that Scott mentioned could be like a radiation effect from the source where the closer you get, the closer and more often you see this decayed, burnt corpse appearing in your vision
Yeah I can vibe with all of that. The only other things I consider haunted are the Plushbabies and whatever Nightmarionne’s tendrils are doing in the Pizzaplex.
Honestly I think the storyteller is the reason for their behaviour too, especially with VIP pushing that way. I think it can even be applied to Sun and Moon, mostly Moon, considering the little hints we get in Ruin that maybe Moon and the daycare wasn't always bad and scary. It would make sense with Eclipse being the theater bot, they would have a lot of contact with the story teller. And the whole story about moon always being dangerous could easily be a story made up by Vanessa/Vanny to keep anyone from looking into him or trying to fix him. Iirc he is the security animatronic right? So I could see controlling him being super important for her plans. Maybe that's why he gets barely any new voice lines or character development in Help Wanted 2, despite Sun getting a ton. That's all the mimic program knows about him so that's all it does/says. Even the laughs are the 90% the same as they were in Security Breach. Just a fun thought that has crossed my mind now that The story teller and tales from the pizza plex seem to be leaning a little more canon.
I feel like even if they were possessed, the glamrocks are so advanced technologically that the spirit wouldn't be able to take over. We see time and time again that the spirits are held to the limitations of the programming in the animatronics. The older ones weren't programmed with as much ai and so could be controlled easier.
D'aww such a cute plushie, though I swear Make Ship must be making the rounds, in the last week I swear I've seen like 5 different ones, be it for video games or content creators. I hope you never lose that kooky style to your videos I like, the plushie cutaway to the extra little snippet about subscribing. Just love the little personal touches. Keep up the good work.
Quick question to Rye (hopefully you see this): if Burntrap is a hallucination what would be the explanation for the claw marks in the Burntrap and Mimic’s room belonging to him?
Considering Mimic1 recreates he prob tried to physically recreate the hallucination. And he wanted a phycal body as seen in the burntrap ending where he's physical so he prob wanted to physically recreate the hallucination as burntap bur then it only got so far
At the glitchtrap creation segment and I'm getting heavy 2017 X vibes from what rye is saying, the idea of this mimic iteration tricking itself into believing it's afton, like how 2017 X tricks himself into believing he's the real Sonic
It's good to know that William returning for the umpteenth time was just Steel Wool misinterpreting and changing what was going on. Otherwise it would essentially be like FNAF 3 or 6 never happened.
4:00 I’ll never really understand why people seem to sometimes draw the line that “glichtrap can’t be the mimic because it possesses vanny” it feels like a weird spot to not be able to suspend your disbelief compared to all the other stuff going on.
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“I am not me” is the antithesis to “It’s me”
A robot finding its own identity vs a spirit unable to truly reveal itself as it’s stuck in a suit.
Holy shit! That's genious 😮
Imagine if "Me" has been retconned to refer to Murray, Edward. Or Micheal Emily.
I am sorry @@JXAChambers. Edward, Michael Emily? Who are those people?
@@Michał-z7u If I recall, Edward Murray is the person who created the mimic in the pizzaplex books. Michael Emily, on the other hand, comes from the theory that one or multiple of the character we think are WIlliam Afton's children instead are, or at least were, Henry's. I currently don't buy into it too much, but it is a thing.
(tbf, I'm still not convinced Henry's last name is Emily, so I may just be being a skeptic.)
@@wolfamon95 Ok, I get it, but I believe that Murray's name was Edwin, not Edward. Besides, they mentioned him like if he was two different people; adding to that Michael Emily made me confused, and thought they are simply joking.
Something to think about, is that the newspaper that Gregory sleeps under says "Local Residents Continue To Go Missing." and not "Local children continue to go missing." So we can assume those that went missing is not just children. Adults are going missing too.
Like Cassidy dad?
@@ricardoj376 The issue is that if Cassidy's dad was known to have gone missing then someone would have checked up on Cassidy... no one did so this may mean that there is other adults going missing... Which is odd.
@@BarnOwlCatwell someone might’ve checked up on Cassie. We don’t see anything about that because that’s something that would’ve happened before Ruin.
In the newspaper, we can see the silhouettes of the people that went missing, and to me they seem to look like children - especially considering we also see Gregory's silhouette in the newspaper alongside them
Children can also be residents, no? I don't think we can assume in that case that adults also went missing. Residents covers a broader amount of people who could've gone missing, but it doesn't exclude the possibility all of them were still children.
Honestly, at this point, you're my go-to theorist. You're the theorist I agree with the most, and even when you make a theory about something I'm hesitant to agree with, you somehow find a way to convince me. Plus bonus points for the adorable cats, of course.
Not me reading therapist lmao
I never understood why people thought the SB animatronics were possessed, I just assumed because of the context of HW that it was just some glitchtrap shenanigans.
Greddy and Sun/Moon being, quite quirky.
SAME. I have been saying since SB came out that none of them are possessed. Not even Freddy. We know Freddy collapsed because he had multiple tasks running at once abd it overloaded him and he shut down. Yet people insisted that his collapse was due to him being possessed by Mike and taking over Freddy when he saw Gregory. It annoyed me so bad. I usually have a pretty open mind for Fnaf theories. But the Glamrocks being possessed just defied everything we were told and seemed more like the fanbase refusing any kind of change and just insisting it had to be possession because they wanted it to be true.
Probably because it was mentioned people were disappearing in Freddy's Pizzaplex, and often in Fnaf, the trend is people going 'Missing' translates to 'dead and possessing animatronics.' Or because the Pizzaplex is built right on top of Freddy Fazbear's pizza place, which is full of haunted animatronics. Probably why Matpat thinks Freddy could be Mike, though I think someone else theorized that Freddy might be CC. Or perhaps someone Vanny killed. But why would Vanny or Mimic feel the need to lock Freddy out of the system right after he crashed? Having him in the system would just allow them to hack Freddy and capture Gregory. Unless someone else( perhaps Gregory or a ghost) locked him out to prevent such a thing.
I believe the only animatronic that is possessed in security breach is The blob.
1000000% agree
@@RyeToastAlso- as for the training Endos, i think they have been sort of trained/influenced by vanny because there are painting instructions for them and u can clearly see someone has spray painted in some things to it.
Isn’t the blob agony
@@Ultame I think its a mix of agony and possibly other spirits.
Ok but the puppet and and circus baby are deactivated
You know, having to physically teach or show the Mimic Endos things seems awfully inefficient in the long run.
Atleast you don’t have to ctrl c/v code manually
@@enderking3031 Yeah, but think about all the times you might need to repeat things or how difficult bug fixing would be in that kind of system. Yes, some parts of the coding would be easier but the problem solving would probably be a mess.
Well, not exactly. The complexity of an AI of the magnitude that the Glamrocks possess is impossible to understand for a software developer, even a team of them. So writing a program that iterates itself and can be taught is literally what makes their level of intelligence possible, because otherwise they just wouldn't exist. We don't have AIs even close to as advanced as the Glamrocks and we already have to go the machine learning route, and noone actually understands what is going on inside the AI after a while.
@@katamas832So how are bugs fixed in those AIs? How do you fix an error when it is already developed past what the developers understand?
@@sutarikun You can fix the initial code of the AI, if you mean after that, the one which we can no longer understand, well, you gotta train it more until the bug gets smoothed out
Oh, I just realized. In ruin, the headless Freddy with the word "prototype" on his foot and the present in his chest. That represents the Freddy from the storyteller story. The present in his chest is supposed to represent a present he stole from a child
Holy shit
>The present in his chest is supposed to represent a present he stole from a child
Freddy from Security Breach's Intro ALSO has one, presumably they can just make them on demand like with the Party Pass after 6AM.
(And yes, somehow Greggory was able to fit in alongside a present... and wherever Freddy was keeping that pass at)
@@higueraft571 Glamrock Tardis lol
@@captainspock3p07 Exactly.
This is one point i'd had an issue with on the "it CANT be Freddy" line, since... OUR Freddy proved you can have a gift and child in the same space within the first 5 minutes of Security Breach :V
Nah, sorry your overthinking facts don't connect.
I never thought they were possessed. I always understood the glamrocks as having their base personalities and them being cranked up to 200 because of Vanny and the mimic. As for Freddy, he was put in safe mode and couldn't connect to the main network, cutting him off from the programming that caused them to react that way
Gregory having the chip also explains the vanny static - it's probably somewhat broken and is bugging
FINALLY. I've been saying this since it came out. I love that SB, Ruin and HW2 took the final step to just going "Yea there's also AI in this world." it's so fun. I have a theory I need to write properly soon about each of the AI developing disorders that tie back to common disorders developed by Child Stars, J/K-pop Stars, etc due to abusive treatment by corporations. Freddy is a people pleaser / fawn trauma response type, Chica is a binge eater, Roxy has an inferiority complex, and Monty has anger issues. The fact that the AI develops these kinds of traits is like, scary strong proof that they're self aware and fully sapient/sentient.
Yeah- another thing,is that S&M are clearly from the Mimic’s time (same endo), signaling Fazbear HAD this stupidly complex mimic1 AI even during Fall Fest, which is just crazy to me, but in a good way.
i can't believe burntrap isn't possessed by afton, what a brilliant twist. bravo scott.
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@@RyeToast my reaction rn
No he is
@@Dolphin2048Let it go. It doesn't matter if you like Purple Guy and want him to be back again for no reason, they are not going in this direction. Good riddance. The story has moved on.
@@Dolphin2048
Yeah he is
There old man red king old man Consequences cassidy princess and glitchtrap burntrap william in princess quest game
You made me realize that Glitchtrap does look like if you told an AI to make an image of Golden Bonnie
OH YEAH-
omg rye… the promotional bit for toast is SO. GOOD. your camera work is actually amazing and it’s so creative
That means so much! I had a lot of fun doing it
I think its interesting to use the interview as evidence that Glitchhtrap isn't possessed by William or his agony. Because what's always stood out to me was a bit after the 17 minute and 30 second mark in the interview, Scott is asked about Glitchtrap and mentions he's always liked "possession of machines or circuitry" or something to that effect. This actually makes me more convinced he is imbued with agony than anything.
But I can definitely see either being the case honestly and as long as it isn't just straight up William's spirit, I don't think it's unsatisfying either way.
He also calls him sci fi which is ai.
@@Sing87eh I would guess possessed (with agony) AI but that's just my opinion
“Possession of Ai”. Also,how would you feel about CC being Glitchtrap because that’s actually the theory with the most evidence
"he's always liked possession of machines or somehting to that effect" bro that's the entire premise for the franchise even from when it was not even a franchise or had a proper narrative yet, of course he likes that stuff, him talking about it doesn't have to be about William.
@@Zuldaar The exact phrasing was “possession of ai so I really like the idea of Glitchtrap”. That’s…a little more blatant. Though,you are righty,it doesn’t have to be William,it could be CC /gen
Scott: "The story for SB didn't come out QUITE as intended"
Theorists: Oh, so you mean throw out everything we thought we knew about this game and start over from scratch. Got it.
5:34 i love how this is just the age old "have you tried turning it off and on again?" And i don't know how i never realized that. Now i can't stop laughing
I still firmly believe Freddy is referring to the blob when he says "my friends are down here" (paraphrasing, I don't remember the exact wording) He says something like "they are so angry, but I can protect you." That is right when if you try to go down while not inside Freddy, you will be killed by the blob. I see it as the game telling the player "you have to be inside Freddy for this part." I don't think he is referring to Monty, Roxy and Chica because, first, I don't think they are down there yet, they follow Gregory down, and second, there is no reason for him to say he can protect you from them at this point, you already know that, it's been that way the whole game. However, I don't think this necessarily proves Freddy is possessed. I think it's possible he could have originally been a different animatronic from a different location, one where he was with some of the animatronics now in the blob. We do hear him wonder if he has always been a Freddy. I'm not sure how long Fazbear has had this sort of advanced AI, but Baby does seem to be distinctly different from Elizabeth, so it does seem she could be AI, and if she is, then certainly Freddy's AI could be quite old.
It could be just a sort of “all robots are my friends” thing, with freddy clearly being shown to care about his fellow robots..But I do think you’re onto something with freddy wondering if he was always a freddy
THE PLUSHIE REVEAL WAS AMAZING
IT WAS SO CINEMATIC AND IT WAS REALLY COMPELLING AND THEN RYE BEING A NEWS REPORTER FOR THE TOAST TERRORIZING CITIZENS IS SOOO FUNNY
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You're the goat, man, that's it.
Security Breach was never about bringing back Purple Guy & the Missing Children and undoing their happiest day, it was never about some "Afton family rebirth". It's a part of the new era, the new story- a story that at its core is about the dangers of AI.
That was definitely a retcon,it was 100% about Afton coming back. Cassidy Afton but still Afton. I will die on the hill of CC Glitchtrap. Because the Mimic sucks,the Mimic makes ME want to start killing people (I also have 5 younger siblings so my sanity might be a tad low anyway).
Technically it can still be Afton Family rebirth if using AI power for it
@L16htW4rr10r It's not. That is not what they're focused on. The Mimic1 branch copying Purple Guy is dead, neither Burntrap nor Malhare are around anymore. Characters like Cassie and Jeremy are introduced, neither of whom have anything to do with the Aftons.
@@HeyLoiss Vanny is Glitchtrap though and HW2 sets her up as possible to return again. I personally believe Rye’s theory that Vanny was killing Glitchtrap so she’d be the only Glitchtrap.
@WilliamAaronTheYapmaster We quite literally free Vanessa in the canon ending of Security Breach.
And throughout HW2, Vanny was supposed to instruct us on how to beat Malhare without her typical Malhare-esque way of speaking.
It was most likely Vanessa using her Vanny persona just to spite Malhare one last time. Either that, or SteelWool just thought that a giant human Vanessa would look really awkward and weird, lol
I'm glad more and more people are agreeing that Security Breach is primarily about AI becoming sentient and not really about haunted animatronics (Though I wouldn't be surprised if there's a compromise in the future where it ends up being both in a way). The Blob is the only one I can say 100% without a doubt is actually haunted. If you believe Burntrap truly existed via the ending and that he was actually haunted by Afton instead of simply being a new form for the mimic, he's now apart of Blob anyways. The only other candidate I could see be convincingly argued as being haunted, is Bonnie, but it's possible that due to the formation of sentience, him getting attacked and destroyed may have degraded his mental state, ultimately causing the bizarre scene we see in Ruin (perhaps he even spread himself in a fractured state to all those small bots?).
Haven't played the games, but couldn't the Funtimes be a combination of Mimic01 and spirits though?
@@zenvariety9383I don’t see why the mimic would be part of the funtimes as they were entirely afton built on his own. I don’t think the mimic was also ever present at SL anyway.
I believe that the Mimic is possessed by Agony, but that's still not soul possession so-
That's valid
@@RyeToast I feel like The Mimic having agony explains how Glitchtrap could possess people. Because the biggest problem I had with Glitchtrap just being the Mimic1 program is how it could possess people, something that a non-supernatural AI shouldn't be able to do.
So I think The Mimic and the Mimic1 program having agony explains how Glitchtrap could possess people, and perhaps the existence of Burntrap if he isn't physical.
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I believe Glamrock Freddy isn't fully possessed but IS partially possessed, specifically by Cassidy. I think this because of the lines "I feel you are broken", "I do not know, I want to help you", and "My friends are here, they are so angry, confused, but I will protect you. I AM NOT ME.", also Freddy looks a little more like Golden Freddy than regular Freddy, especially the face representing his green room looking golden with a purple hat. Add to that the fact that Gregory looks like David and may be a robot as implied by the sticky notes and GGY. The line "I feel you are broken" is what sells this the most to me as I believe Cassidy is the voice of the Fredbear plush in FNAF 4 as the dialogue in full at the end of the game is "You're broken. we are still your friends, do you still believe that? I'm still here. I will put you back together.", a lot of people say this is William because of the last line but the 2nd line doesn't make sense coming from him also earlier in the game in 3 days before the party, we see william in the backroom helping someone put on a suit so the golden text can't be him. Plus it makes sense for Fredbear in FNAF World to be Cassidy as well, trying to put her friend back together. If Gregory is a robot recreation of the crying child then it makes sense that Cassidy would want to protect him since she put him back together. Also the princess was called Cassidy in the game files for a while and with her being golden and wielding a sword to fight off glitchtrap it makes sense for her to actually be Cassidy so that could explain how gregory broke free from glitchtraps control as Cassidy was the one to set him free, then she goes on to free Vanessa as well, with Cassidy already having a connection to the digital plain just like the mimic as seen in FNAF World and Princess Quest, it is not that strange to assume that she can influence animatronics like Freddy just like the mimic as well. Last point of evidence for her being the princess is PQ4 in Help Wanted where if we are playing as the Bonnie Bully then that would mean it would be Cassidy handing her sword over to him which would make sense since they probably know each other.
William is speaking from the Fredbear plush perspective which David likely thinks is his friend that's probably why the "we are still your friends" line and as seen in the sister location bunker that plush is a physical object that was specifically made by William to probably spy and keep his son safe while he is busy with work, also that dialogue doesn't happen immediately after the bite it likely happens sometime after David was hospitalized so 3 days before the party doesn't really matter
@@VirusFlexovitch Except that William IN FNAF 4 is seen in the backroom assisting someone, the golden text is still talking to the crying child at that time plus the fredbear plush is nowhere to be seen, so 1. William COULD NOT have spoken to him at that time as he was busy, and 2. The fredbear plush not being there means that the voice is only associated with the plush by the crying child rather than literally coming through the plush, It makes much more sense that the walkie next to the plush in SL implies that the voice was coming through that walkie talkie rather than it implying that the walkie was used to speak through the fredbear plush.
But in FNAF 4 timeline Cassidy didn't die yet@@dott-dude1119we can clearly now that Dave dead in 1983 while Cassidy in 1985 and I think that they meet in golden Freddy so Cassidy didn't know Dave until she saw him in golden Freddy you can see the dialogue between them in the log Book it's like they just meet for the first time like who are you or what's your name
RyeToast: "And the animatronics are definitely getting quirky at night"
_im sorry what?_
Hear me out, but what about the wet floor bots in Ruin? You can literally hear the screams coming from them before you deactivate them. What if those bots were put next to the children before they were killed deliberately so that they could absorb the agony into something that was harmless so that a repeat of the FNAF 1 didn't occur. Why risk the agony possessing something that could be dangerous when you could engineer it to be aborbed into something that couldnt do anything at all.
5:17 I love that Mimic is so bad at programming that it can't make enough permanence to survive a hard reboot. No wonwder the animatronics act slow if they have to be on 24/7
I love this theory so much, because it implies that the fnaf 6 ending did manage to liberate all the souls and that the new animatonics and characters although similar to the old ones are entirely new things. Overall great theory!🥳
I agree. It's a great way to keep the fun going without cheapening 6's ending, which is a hard thing to do in a lot of sequels that aren't originally planned.
You say that only Vanessa had been to the underground pizzeria but it wasn't built over instantly, they had time to go in and grab whatever they could before it sank and the pizzaplex was built. They had time to get the agony/circuit boards from William's corpse. Also love the videos and can't wait to see more!
>They had time to get the agony/circuit boards from William's corpse.
I've always had a problem with this theory:
Why would it HAVE to be William's Corpse/Spring Bonnie, exactly?
@@higueraft571 because that's where William was located?
@@EnderEmma >because that's where William was located?
Why would they HAVE to be digging through the FNAF 6 location for those boards? And why would it have to be where William's body is exactly?
There's a FAR more reasonable location, that FazEnt already has easy access to without dumpsterdiving in the burned out husk, that we know is still Active...
They only went back down there after hw
4:00 "Vanessa forms the Vanny Persona" *fursona
7:58 nvm the plushie, seeing RyeToast with no long flowing locks is WEIRD 😂 /s Congrats on creating the plushie! I also really liked this video, it’s not super often talked about and should be. Never considered the AI angle of Glamrock Freddy before!
The problem I have here is the Mimic's entire backstory relies on some level of remnant or agony. The hard part I think is parsing out between: Are the animatronics gaining "sentience" by some coincidental algorithm from an AI, or are they becoming sentient via possession/infusing with remnant/agony.
Also I think it's far from being so affirmative after seeing the remnant injector machine, still powered and usable, near where the mimic resides. Also the suspected stuffing/possession from Cassie's dad via Help Wanted 2 directly shows there is possession/soul shenanigans going on in Security Breach's setting.
The Mimic while not possessed was 100% brought to live by David Joy then later fueled by Edwin's Agony
And I agree that possession is still at play imo it's the tangle I think he's made up of Mimic's epilogue victims. Or atleast I think he's the most important thing with actual ghost ties
I think it's very clear that none of the Glamrocks are possessed, Just heavily sentient AI and I prefer them that way.
While the blob alone makes the title a false claim, the point of the video that I see is that none of the Glamrocks have strong hints of being haunted.
The rest of the cast do have sketchy stuff going on, particularly Vanny since how in the fuck does an AI take over a human being if not by possession. Glitchtrap is quite literally a ghost in the machine. The Mimic doesn't have enough portrayal to try and make out for one thing or the other(for that there's the next game). And I still don't understand what the hell is up with Gregory.
@@Zuldaarin the case of how does an AI take over a person I assume it’s to do with the chip that gets installed when you use a Vanny mask. We’ve got a supernatural AI with access to controlling what you see, hear and ultimately your brain. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Vanessa is simply losing herself every time she puts on the Vanny mask because then the AI takes over causing the whole weird split personality thing
THANK YOU. I ALWAYS FELT THIS. Also you and ID have inspired me to potentially make my own channel after the release of Secret of Mimic
yeah i think everything u said was correct
im glad we're all finally understanding security breach
8:21 for DJ music man, I believe that the glitch trap virus did get him but his personality was to be a chill DJ. That’s also why I think the the “bouncer mode” is infected because once he goes into that mode, he becomes just like the others, hunting Gregory mercilessly, and trying to kill him.
I had to stop just before the 6min mark - I think the problem with the notes on Roxy is her behavior doesn't change at the reboot - by the time she's pinned down, she's already lost the diva personality and is fond of Cassie. And when did the personality flip? "I'm sorry. Error." When she grabbed hold of Cassie and scared her, demanding her eyes back, and Cassie screams in panic.
I'm agnostic on whether that series of events could have triggered a spirit or a boot in safe mode. But I will stick to that moment, and not the Faz Wrench, to being when Roxie purges whatever malice was going on.
I believe that Freddy's sentience isn't literally an ai gaining sentience. The ai was always sentient. it just chose not to be. The animatronics' ai was trained to make stories. So the animatronics' personalities are just the ai writing a story in real time. An AI improv bit meant to tell a fun story. Freddy didn't gain sentience. The ai realized that it would make a good twist if Freddy suddenly gained sentience, and it made sense considering everything before.
I think the main thing that has always stumped me about Security Breach is specifically what is the actual deal with the animatronics. The story of the Pizzaplex feels almost encapsulated in its own little world. We have connections to Help Wanted and things like that of course, but the manner in which these connections are made is what makes Security Breach feel so... weird. The way Help Wanted connects to Security Breach makes Help Wanted seem like an MCU post-credits scene. We get this big kind of, "Look at what is coming in the future! Get ready! Oh, but not immediately in the future. More like just in the future in general." And it just feels strange. At the start of the video, the mention of how we usually have a probable victim or victims to point to when animatronics get quirky made me realize why SB seems so encapsulated. I've always kind of known that nobody was really possessed in this game. We see that people are going missing, but for all we know that could be the employees that Vanny killed. The distinct lack of definitive supernatural elements is why SB feels so separated I guess
18:00 I would like to point out that "I am not me" comes directly after telling Gregory "but I can protect you". I think the meaning of this is meant to be that he is _not_ Freddy Fazbear. He is not the mascot that caused countless children's lives. He goes against that. He will protect Gregory, a child. It is him defying the past. From a mascot of horror to a protector of children.
The sacrifice/ritual mid video was peak 😭 will be copping the plushie
VIP fits in/supports this as well. The Very Informative Pig being the mimic1 controlled version of the Virtual Informative Pig who only understood that Afton lured kids to a back room, but not what he did afterwards. So he just gets them back there and leaves them trapped to die
In the Tales story: the Storyteller there are 2 very interesting lines from Edwin’s thoughts. 1: at its busiest the pizzaplex was pact with spun up kids and jovial families and all the happy screams and shouts and chatter were like an electrical circuit that if it could’ve been harnessed probably would’ve generated enough power to run a dozen pizzaplex’s. 2: scanning the boisterous crowd he idly wondered how it might be possible to channel human joy into a machine it had to be possible. To me these 2 lines seem to indicate that Joy can be a great source of power/energy and bring things to life, it also seems to introduce the direct opposite of agony which we learn from Fazbear Frights, so what if instead of possession or advance AI the animatronics are all brought to life by the energy of human emotions whether it be Joy or Agony.
The only animatronics that I personally think might be possessed are Glamrock Freddy, The Blob and maybe Burntrap.
>it also seems to introduce the direct opposite of agony which we learn from Fazbear Frights
That would be Love, brought up directly prior to Agony, and generally described AS the Polar Opposite of Agony, the Strongest Positive Emotion (or strongest form of Light Remnant).
>or advance AI
Honestly, i'm pretty sure it's just actually Advanced AI.
>Glamrock Freddy, The Blob and maybe Burntrap.
In order of my own theory:
No, Yes, Yes.
Michael cannot possibly be in Freddy, considering he's *still alive.* And most other candidates are highly unlikely, or completely unknown.
The Blob is likely just the toasted MCI kids/Molten Freddy that are *still* hanging on, if suitably deranged/mad by this point.
Burntrap is literally Springtrap for one :V
And, of course, we know for a fact William Survived because of UCN even occurring in the first place. And that fire doesnt destroy Remnant.
At this point the thing I want most from FNAF is an episodic animated series about a detective trying to solve the FNAF Mystery.
Like a parody comedy show about FNAF theorists themselves
Each episode could even be about a different detective(theorist) solving the case
At the end of each episode they should wrap it it like the case is solved and at the start of everyone call out the previous episode as wrong.
You know. Roxy always gets mentioned that she's overly confident, but when we see her showering herself with compliments there is the possibility she's the opposite. Looking in the mirror, giving yourself compliments like that is a self help technique to improve confidence which would imply that despite how she acts she actually has low self esteem.
I think an original story theme that got cut from Security Breach was going to be a sort of duality/mirror kind of thing.
A sort of every one has two personas. Moon/Sun Vanny/Vanessa Roxy... we just didn't get to see it play out. And we get some more with Gregory/GGY and the fact that Freddy was supposed to be a threat at one point.
This!! It’s crazy everyone misses this. Roxy very clearly ISN’T over confident, she has self esteem issues and feels the need to constantly hype herself up to drown out the bad thoughts about herself. When she fails to catch us you can even see a scene of her crying to herself over it if I remember correctly talking about she’s not actually the best (she wouldn’t do this if actually confident, this is her low self esteem issues showing as she couldn’t validate her pep talk instead proving to herself that she IS worthless causing her to cry alone). Roxy is actually so sad, she’s also ONLY mean to gregory! Cassy she is exceptionally kind to and even calls her number 1 twice (basically saying “you’re even better than me”)🥺 Roxy is very kind just suffers from self doubt and potentially anxiety. She’s my favorite character because she’s so misunderstood! She’s just a sweet suffering baby 😭❤
Gonna have to disagree about your reasoning for Roxanne, though I agree she is not possessed. I believe it is more likely that Roxanne and the others were programmed to target Gregory specifically, but otherwise had their normal programming in place. Otherwise, Roxanne wouldn’t have been friendly to Cassie prior to her supposed reboot, and it’s likely the reason why when Cassie is grabbed by Roxanne in that one cut scene, she lets go upon Cassie screaming and telling Roxanne to let go of her, as Roxanne can tell that isn’t Gregory’s voice.
Great theory overall though! Love your videos :)
14:13 it’s not only Vanny that had access to the Pizza Sim though, logically the construction crew would have excavated the site in order to build the PizzaPlex in the first place so it is still possible of that Fazbear got agony infused tech so I think Afton is still on the table without Fazbear Frights being in continuity. It not impossible.
No. They say the games show pizzaplace only got dug down to AFTER hw
@@Sing87eh it was under construction during help wanted, who know when it actually began. You know how long it would take to build the it a mall that size? I don’t get the impression that it took 5-10 years between help wanted and Security Breach.
@@CheshireCatMystic we see it took construction AFTER hw not during or before
@@Sing87eh we see it being during one of the endings yes, but that really show that it started during help wanted. The site was set up and it began during the events.
@@CheshireCatMystic we see on the ending. Heck it's in a update. And they only had money AFTER hw
LFG NEW VID FRESH OUT THE TOASTER
TRUE THIRD
I can't handle the tonal whiplash from "new cryptid... terrorizing [people]..." straight to "if you would like to get one of your own..."
You- you just found out? Rye, I’m a lifelong ride or die fan, but- you just found out?
Nah I was making a similar video a few years ago, but this is with the added context of the books and games since then
@@RyeToastahhh. Okay yeah that makes sense. Also, I skipped to the Glitchtrap and Burntrap section.
I’m proud of you. Welcome to the full-fledged GlitchMimic club
If the Theory were to be correct, the biggest Question you've yet to Answer is: If Gregory was working under Glitchtrap's Commands before the events of Security Breach, What was the Event that caused Gregory to break free of Glitchtrap's Programming, to then go on to fight him in the Game?
To me, whatever Event this was caused the Instance of .Mimic1 inside of him to Change, possibly Inverting its Polarity or something, I don't know. But the End Result is something like an Anti-Viral Version of the Glitchtrap variant of the .Mimic1 Program, and entered Glamrock Freddy's Programming when Gregory was inside him while being attacked during the Performance. That's why he survived Infection, and why he's now fighting for Gregory - and if this is a New Strain of the .Mimic1 Program, it'd explain the expressions of newfound Self-Awareness...
I love the promotional video! You have such a great eye as a director :)
Hey Ryetoast, I had an interesting thought. What if we play as the Puppet in the Happiest Day mini games? The Puppet is going through the memories of the dead kids and making their happy memories stronger and pretending to be the lost children’s favorite characters. What do you think of this idea?
I'm of the opinion that remnant and agony still counts as possession, despite no spirit being there to pilot what it interacts with. It's just a mindless version of possession
This is part of the reason why I haven’t really connected with the steel wool era of games, since the story has moved from paranormal horror to sci-fi. Ai just isn’t as scary as ghosts imo.
0:54 are we excluding burntrap and only counting the glamrocks, and the daycare attendants? Cause burntrap is most probably possessed considering his glowing purple pupils and black hollow looking eyes similar to the white pupils and black background in fnaf one
18:59 I refuse to call it the tangle- “the blob”sounds way cooler than “the tangle”
I do agree with the blob and agony stuff, but I don’t think any of the fnaf six animatronics are actually in there.
16:03 JT Music let's gooooooooooooo!
It also occurs to me that the dynamic of good robot vs evil robot… and also The Tangle, is a sort of "Angels, Devils, and Squid" trio. Two things that are alike but opposite, as well as something completely other.
If we assume Michael was a robot who’s memories is scanned in, in help wanted then Freddy wouldn’t be possessed
I wish Scott gave us 2 different versions of security breach, his and steel wools because I can see it would of been completely different, To be honest I feel like when Freddy was clearing the old pizzeria he found Micheal’s corpse and that’s what made his a.i go rouge
Man the last time I was this early, I was in elementary school
Wild lmao
All hail toast plushie! I love how creative and cinematic you get with your ads and stuff, so good
What if G.Freddy is possessed but just doesn’t know it?
I noticed something very interesting about the animatronics. When they are under the mimic 1 program, they represent 4 of the 7 deadly sins, Chica for gluttony, Monty for wrath, Roxy for pride and Freddy for greed, there's three more sins which makes me believe 2 of them are for Foxy (Lust) and Bonnie (Sloth) who are out of order, and the last one which is envy could represent maybe the mimic who is envious of things it sees so it copies them, maybe this is a stretch but I've also noticed that when the animatronics are normal they act accordingly to the 7 heavenly virtues, freddy for charity, Roxy for kindness (we haven't really seen the other animatronics interacting when they're normal but I'd assume Monty would stand for patience and Chica for chastity), again nothing important it's just something fun I noticed
under the idea of the mimic being around for a lot time, what if william had a mimic that he kept around with him for some amout of years as a way to "become immortal" or to make a protégé, but eventually discarded it and that mimic afton is what got scanned into glichtrap. Since it already thought it was afton it was able to catch up with the fact that it was supposed to be a killer after learning what afton did through the games.
For some reason, "a small piece of toast terrorizing the woods" made me laugh so hard.
I love the idea of modern fnaf being an echo of Williams crimes ai battle.
Super awesome video. I really enjoyed how the entire video led to the conclusion that SB’s story revolves around the theme of good and evil gaining consciousness.
It’s really cool to see the evidence and theories being used to not only make a conclusion about the status of the animatronics, but it also uncovers what could be the central theme of SB.
I didn't think I needed the plushie until I heard the line about people being terrorized by a small piece of toast. 11/10 hilarious ngl I might get one just because of that
I always assumed from the get-go that the Glamrock animatronics were never possessed by spirits, and instead either influenced by a mysterious individual or taking their programming to the extreme. Really good theory btw, I can agree with you.
Chica is the most haunted of the glam 4, but she isn't haunted. Her twitching comes from her body malfunctioning from all the trash. Her groans are either her trying to resist the Mimic virus or her groaning from all the trash messing with her systems.
13:58 Counterpoint: Springtrap was falling apart after FNAF 3 (his suit is missing parts in his Sister Location cameo and this is probably the main reason he had to reconstruct himself into Scraptrap). Anything that fell off of him would be infected with his agony, hell the concept of "Dark Springtrap" suggests he might have been supercharged with that stuff. It's also very likely that circuitry was among the things he lost considering he's restricted by the suit's programming in 3 but appears to move more freely in Pizzaria Simulator.
plot twist, nobody isn't possessed, *BUT* gregory is a robot, AND is the same person who ran away in midnight motorist, being an early human-bot, who then got smart, but eventually fell under the pizzaplex glitchtrap virus, and the safe mode is actually gregory's safe mode, and he lost his memories, and pressed freddy's power button from inside ;P
You making a pentagram and a flower is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. never stop
"this piece of sentient toast has been terrorising locals, anyway, do you want one?"
lol
This is what I have been thinking the entire time. There's no sign of any possession in Security Breach, and the intelligence is perfectly explained by the advanced AI these robots have now, and the odd behaviour by glitchtrap making their programming, well, buggy and glitchy.
@5:40 Oh, maybe you've mentioned that idea before, but that's makes the whole Roxy coming back bit make a lot more sense.
Thank you so much for the "quick asides" cuz holy fuck when you do a pause in fnaf storyline and come back even just months later, it's so easy to get lost
There is also Cassie's dad being stuck in a Staff Bot.
One could argue that even the yellow "Vet Floor" bots are possessed.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm almost positive that the SB anamatronic's behavioral quirks are a direct result of their programmed natures conflicting with their roles. Chica is meant to promote Fazbear pizza and food, so her character is programmed to talk about how much she loves them all. However, as she's not built to actually eat, doing so physically damages her, so she's constantly told not to eat, which conflicts with that original programming. Monty is programmed to be boastful, confident, and arrogant, always looking out for #1, but because Freddy is the main mascot, he's constantly delegated to #2, another conflict. Roxy is programmed to be vain and care about her appearance, likely to help her in her role at the salon, but because of things like brand recognition and merchandising she's not allowed to alter herself in any meaningful way, which becomes another conflict as she constantly identifies percieved flaws in herself that she's not allowed to change.
This still works with the exaggerated personalities from storyteller, and your point about AI becoming sentient when forced to obey conflicting instructions
5:05 This isn’t a major detail, just something I noticed that drove me a little nuts: for Eclipse, we don’t put the Fazwrench into the eye socket, but into a port on the back of the head. This is something that your footage clearly shows as you’re talking about it being in the eye socket…
the toast plushie ad was so insanneeee..... the pentagram, the yeast, the raw ryetoast dogs.... crazyyyyy
toast: "this theory might be controversial,,,,,"
also toast: \*just states what's been the general community consensus since Ruin came out*
There is one thing about the Mimic 1 program that people never mention. In the story Edward Murray looks at the code and has no idea how it's grown so advanced. That part is a complete mystery to him. It's only designed to mimic, not learn. It's going beyond its intended program and there's no explanation of how that is happening.
I feel like with how Scott talks about Burntrap and he had a specific purpose but wasn't supposed to move, perhaps he was meant to be a sort of agony producer, if the theory of Cassidy torturing the soul of Afton is true maybe his remains would be a fountain of agony that was supposed to be used for something, and the hallucination like effect that Scott mentioned could be like a radiation effect from the source where the closer you get, the closer and more often you see this decayed, burnt corpse appearing in your vision
Yeah I can vibe with all of that. The only other things I consider haunted are the Plushbabies and whatever Nightmarionne’s tendrils are doing in the Pizzaplex.
Agony is a type of remnant. Remnant is a catch-all term, and Agony is just one of the potent categories. Remnant = Sandwich, and Agony = Meatball Sub.
Can we appreciate how creative Rye is always with sponsors and his merchandise? Those are the only adds I don’t skip ❤
“Have i always been a freddy?” And “am i the only freddy?” Make me wonder about the missing bonnie and proto freddy
Honestly I think the storyteller is the reason for their behaviour too, especially with VIP pushing that way. I think it can even be applied to Sun and Moon, mostly Moon, considering the little hints we get in Ruin that maybe Moon and the daycare wasn't always bad and scary. It would make sense with Eclipse being the theater bot, they would have a lot of contact with the story teller. And the whole story about moon always being dangerous could easily be a story made up by Vanessa/Vanny to keep anyone from looking into him or trying to fix him. Iirc he is the security animatronic right? So I could see controlling him being super important for her plans. Maybe that's why he gets barely any new voice lines or character development in Help Wanted 2, despite Sun getting a ton. That's all the mimic program knows about him so that's all it does/says. Even the laughs are the 90% the same as they were in Security Breach. Just a fun thought that has crossed my mind now that The story teller and tales from the pizza plex seem to be leaning a little more canon.
I am 100% getting him! I love the Youtooz one and I’m sad I couldn’t get it. But I promise I’ll get this one. It’s awesome.
I like this take on Freddy a lot. It requires less assumptions and is overall cleaner than if he becomes possessed all of a sudden.
I feel like even if they were possessed, the glamrocks are so advanced technologically that the spirit wouldn't be able to take over. We see time and time again that the spirits are held to the limitations of the programming in the animatronics. The older ones weren't programmed with as much ai and so could be controlled easier.
According to the new clues glitch trap is just a shell for mimic. - FNAF SB:Ruin and the new comic "the secret of the mimic"
D'aww such a cute plushie, though I swear Make Ship must be making the rounds, in the last week I swear I've seen like 5 different ones, be it for video games or content creators. I hope you never lose that kooky style to your videos I like, the plushie cutaway to the extra little snippet about subscribing. Just love the little personal touches. Keep up the good work.
Quick question to Rye (hopefully you see this): if Burntrap is a hallucination what would be the explanation for the claw marks in the Burntrap and Mimic’s room belonging to him?
Considering Mimic1 recreates he prob tried to physically recreate the hallucination. And he wanted a phycal body as seen in the burntrap ending where he's physical so he prob wanted to physically recreate the hallucination as burntap bur then it only got so far
At the glitchtrap creation segment and I'm getting heavy 2017 X vibes from what rye is saying, the idea of this mimic iteration tricking itself into believing it's afton, like how 2017 X tricks himself into believing he's the real Sonic
The only thing haunted is our brains from so much FNaF Lore
Awn the chonky boy looks like a ginger potato that's way too cute and his coat looks super soft 11/10 cat because of the chonkiness
It's good to know that William returning for the umpteenth time was just Steel Wool misinterpreting and changing what was going on. Otherwise it would essentially be like FNAF 3 or 6 never happened.
4:00 I’ll never really understand why people seem to sometimes draw the line that “glichtrap can’t be the mimic because it possesses vanny” it feels like a weird spot to not be able to suspend your disbelief compared to all the other stuff going on.
The promotional footage is where good cinema fled to