If you go by the narrative, he never played well. That's not true. he got better this year. Cut down on turnovers, much better at throwing the ball away etc. He outplayed Mahomes vs KC, Russell Wilson. Did he hold the ball at times. yes. However, he had one receiver who could create separation. Even when he played well he was often running for his life. Watch the Texans game. CJ Stroud, who is really good, struggled to make plays. Wilson, in rain and wind, threw the ball around like it was a bright sunny day. If you had only seen this game would you have picked Stroud over Wilson? Stroud was great last year. I am simply saying Zach did not always play badly. The Jet coaching staff, in my opinion, scapegoated him. They benched him, and the timing of those benching started this "if we only had a QB". The receiving core was not good and the offensive line was awful. As for backups playing better than Wilson Yes, one game at a time. Would they have played well over 5 games? They were made to play with Rodgers and when he got hurt that was that.
It was quite comical watching the coaching staff basically begging Zach to play after benching him for the third time. Zach left NY with the coaches saying he gave them the best chance to win. Look at the moves the Jets made in the offseason 3 starting level OL, a true 1b WR, then another OLman at pick 11 and another WR with their next pick. It’s clear by those moves they know they couldn’t run that poor ass offense out there another season.
I love how you isolated one single game out of his entire 3 year career and used that as proof that he's not actually a terrible qb. Let's compare his game logs from last year shall we? - Vs Houston: 75% completions 301 pass yards 2 pass tds 0 ints 1 fumble - Other 11 games played: 58.4% completions 179 pass yards per game 6 pass tds 7 ints 10 fumbles Gee... I wonder which set of stats more accurately depicts his level of play? That ONE good game or the other 11 games?
@@OutsidetheEchochamber silly logic considering they were willing to run that "poor" offense out there with Aaron friggin Rodgers. Bro, they had Garrett Wilson, a star #1 wr... Breece Hall who was 2nd in the nfl in total yards for rbs behind only Christian McCaffrey and a top 5-10 defense. It was not a bad team they just had the worst starting qb in the nfl. He had 8 total tds and 18 ints/fumbles in 12 games. He had 0 tds in 6 of his 12 games and he only put up 15 ppg in those12 games. The difference between being the worst qb in the nfl and a good qb is not simply a better oline 😂😂😂😂
absolutely. When did the nfl get away from having a rookie sit behind a vet for a few years. The last time the Jets did that they had a potential franchise QB with Pennington.
Actually McNair wasn't the starter until year 3 and he was an awful passer that year and didn't become a good passer until like year 6-7. In his first 4 years starting he had 56 pass tds and 44 ints with a completion% around 58% and a passer rating around 80.5
@@dante6563😂😂😂... Pennington was a dink and dunker with a noodle arm who built his legacy on check downs and screens which made his completion% look great but their passing attack was still below average. Also.... the nfl has pretty much been starting highly drafted qbs as rookies the last 30+ years lol. It's rare that a qb like Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love sits for 3 years. So rare that they are essentially the only two good qbs who sat that long. Almost every elite qb started as rookies for at least half their rookie year. Guys like Mahomes who sat one year only sat because the team already had a pro bowl qb who was winning games.
Not only that, but Mahomes sat behind Alex smith for his rookie year, and now he’s winning superbowls. It’s def better for the rookie to sit back a year and learn the offense before taking on to much imo.
The Jets had Schroedinger's line for at least the 2022 & 2023 seasons. A year later we're still wondering if Aaron Rodgers still "has it", because that line gave us no information. Breece Hall had a good game or two, but then couldn't run inside because he'd hit the line and go down: Zach Wilson had to throw him the ball at the second level. Does that mean Breece is a bust? No -- well maybe, but Jets fans will never say so because that's not the narrative. One thing you can see in the BYU film is that Zach Wilson is so overprotected, he's basically running a 7 on 7 offense. You're never going to get protected that well in the NFL, and being picked up by the Jets with their offensive personnel and coaches is the definition of a bad situation. ZW has ridiculous arm talent, which means nothing if you can't throw under pressure, but then on the other hand there's pressure and there's having the right side of the line being Max Mitchell and Billy Turner against the Chargers. The Chargers' Edge Rushers were switching sides so one player didn't get to hog all the topline stats. So I can argue with myself for days if I want, but the truth is nobody really knows.
Great take. At this point the next few years will go a long way in answering was it the Jets or was it Zach. If the Jets end up with a 9-8 or 10-7 records with a healthy AR and maybe barely making the playoffs, then I would say it's more on the Jets. It would a few more years if Zach would resurrect his career. He would be lucky if he ended up being another Geno Smith or Baker Mayfield. Most of the time it's usually both parties fault. As an example, Jordan Love is now touted as the next great thing in GB. I would bet that had he been in Zach's footsteps here, he would have been ran out of town as well.
@@cc352 Thanks. This year, the Jets OLine is no joke though. Last year, we were unlucky again with all the injuries to the same unit, but they started off pretty bad. Alls I know is the season can't get here fast enough.
@@cc352 the jets future has no weight on whether it was zach or the jets. Their moves tell you what they assume to be the problem. They got morgan moses, tyron smith, olu fashanu with the 11th, john simpson. Mike williams, malachi corley, a Rb2 and 3 in the draft. Its all offense. You cant even make a comparison from last years team to this years except on defense. Only zach can prove whether it was them or him. If he fails, it was him. If he succeeds, it was them. Jets hold no weight in determining that. I do agree tho that it was both. Nd if you wanna split it. First 2 years it was him, last year it was them.
@@jessejordache1869bro... Breece Hall was 2nd in the nfl in total yards for rbs behind only Christian McCaffrey and ESPN just ranked him as the 2nd best rb in the nfl while PFF has him 7th. To even suggest he's a bust is absolutely ridiculous. Fyi... put Jordan Love in NY last year and he'd be fine. Their OC was his OC for 2 years so he knows the offense already and they had a star rb and star wr1 with a top 5-10 defense... he would've been just fine. Now put ZW in Green Bay last year where they had 0 wrs with more than one partial season of nfl experience, 2 rookie tight ends, an average at best defense and they were missing their #1 rb, #1 wr, #1 te for half the season and their LT missed the whole season and Wilson would've been trash as usual. What Love did last year on the youngest and least experienced roster in the entire nfl was unprecedented. Literally no other qb in history had the success he had with such an inexperienced roster.
He benefited the MOST from the Covid restrictions limiting the schedule. A better representation of who he was would be the year before as he played better competition.
As a huge Jets fan, I can tell you the fan base was rooting for him. We all wanted him to be the franchise QB. He's got a good arm but didnt do any of the other stuff. His leadership skills were piss poor. When he said he wasnt to blame against NE, he lost the team and most of the reasonable fans. His main issue is that he can't process the NFL game. I dont know how many times he just ran around. I get the OL wasnt great but his play made it worst. I'm glad we/he's moved on. No ill will towards ZW. He wasnt ever going to make it after year 2. All the truthers can go become Broncos fans now.
He made one mistake after many of his teammates had made similar ridiculous mistakes to the the media and didn’t get judged for it. Saleh allowed a toxic and dysfunctional locker-room to form in New York that I am not sure is rooted out even now. It was a terrible look but seriously the kid had as bad of an NFL experience as is possible to have… first time Hc, first time OC( that still 2 years after being fired has failed to land another OC job…) horrible O line, a few good but inexperienced weapons… and the spotlight on him before he was ready. Just a mess.
@rorytribbet6424 this is it! No coach in the nfl would allow the team to root for the backup qb the way saleh did, the kid matured alot and became a better qb from year 2 to 3, nobody talks about the jets recievers dropping everything and the oline getting him killed they won 7 games with him and were in almost every BECAUSE of him, I'm not a "truther" but I wish him the best he deserves a better situation
Terry Bradshaw was considered a bust when he came out of college.Jim Plunkett won a Heisman but had NO success in New England (later winning TWO Super Bowls with the Raiders). If Tom Brady had gone to Cleveland, there would be no such thing as Tom Brady. Sometimes WHERE you go has a lot to do with how your career or lack of one, goes. It's astonishing how long the MEDIA ran cover for Justin Fields for THREE SOLID YEARS and how many people made excuses for him...I guess it was all that 'white privilege' he has.
The Jet OL was the absolute worst in the NFL at letting in unblocked rushers, due to injuries and incompetence and the worst OL coach in the NFL. Then add in a rookie OC initially, followed by the Hackett the worst OC in the NFL even worse than his failed OC father. Then throw in Saleh's conservative influence of running on the majority of first downs despite having a horrible OL. Jim Plunkett when asked about possibly being the number 1 pick in the draft and being drafted by long term cellar dwelling Patriots ( as Jet fans call that time the good ole days) said "he wouldn't mind that for a year, but then he wanted to join the NFL". Zach Wilson, now coached by Sean Payton, is finally joining the NFL.
It’s never baby boy’s fault with these BYU weirdos. He was objectively terrible at every single basic football decision on the field and off. I watched every snap. All other excuses included - he ain’t it. I hope he does turn it around though.
Bro come on now, how did Mike White (never played a game until 2021 despite 2021 being his 4th season) and Joe Flacco (40 year old corpse) manage the offense much much better and put up better numbers??
@@johng.4711 And to add on to that Mike White and Joe Flacco did MUCH better. I have yet to see Zach play as good as Mike White in that Bengals game where they came back or his game against Chicago or Flacco's game against the Browns coming back from 13 down in final 2 mins
@@joesanthosh5315 I just wanted to give you some details on Hall Of Famer Mike White vs Zach In 2021 - White played the Bengals, the Bengals were playing their 3rd straight road game, they won the first one, then blew out their archrival Ravens in the 2nd road game and took over first place, then they came in flat against the Jets and lost to 400 yd Mike White in his first start and where no film of him existed. In that game White threw checkdowns and the Bengals had a flat tackling day and lost and he got to 400+ yards. In 2022 - White got the start against the worst defense that year, the Chicago Bears, he had great protection and had a big game against a team with the worst defense in the NFL and that had given up. So excluding those two games against a 3rd week road team and NFL worst defense - here are his stats Mike White in 2021 - he had 2 TDs, 6 INTs, and No wins and 2 losses Mike White in 2022 - he had 0 TDs, 4 INTs, and No wins and 3 losses That's 2 TDs, 10 INTs, 0 Wins, 5 Losses Don't expect the HOF to be calling anytime soon
Of course there are lots of factors in every QB failure, but if you ask me for a one-line summary, I'd say because the Jets failed him. They failed him by declaring him the starter from day one w/o a decent backup (like Tyrod Taylor) despite his clearly not being ready. That shattered his confidence and helped his mechanics become even more messed up, to the point where he was regularly overthrowing screens by 2 yards. Then, after getting some time off, and learning significant stuff from AR in a short time -- repairing his mechanics, not backpedaling automatically, becoming far more careful with his throws, reading the field much better, etc. -- they failed him by putting him beyond an OL that was the NFL's worst by far in both passing and running (how many games did the great Breece average 1 yard and total less than 50?), starting receivers Lazard and Cobb, and having the NFL's worst OC in both play design and playcalling. Even great and mobile QB's like Mahomes (in SB), Allen and Stroud looked lost and mediocre when their entire line got crushed and their receivers were consistently covered. To ask a still inexperienced QB with a ton of fan pressure and hatred to play week after week under these conditions, was criminal. I still expect that Zach will prove to be a decent-good starting QB, if he gets a reasonable chance in Denver or elsewhere.
Wait, flacco was his backup year one wasn't it?! How are people still saying flacco is washed?! I still don't even understand why he was traded away from the jets?!
Too much was made of that New England game in year two. Thing spiraled because calmer heads didn't prevail. And when the Jets benched Wilson for a CFL scrub who couldn't throw the ball, that's when I knew the Jets just don't know what they're doing.
@@FavreianVengeance you're joking right? Wilson played against NE 4x his first two seasons and he lost and was horrible all 4 times. He lost 25-6 with 0 tds and 4 ints game 1. Then lost 54-13 with 0 tds and 59 total yards game 2. Then lost 22-17 with 2 tds and 3 ints game 3. Then lost 10-3 with 0 tds and 110 total yards game 4. That's a total record of 0-4 with 2 tds 7 ints and a combined score of 111-33 vs NE his first 2 seasons 😂😂. That doesn't even include last year where he ONCE AGAIN lost to NE 15-10 and had 0 tds with 181 total yards. I'm not sure how you came up with the narrative that "too much was made of that of that ONE New England game" but he was AWFUL EVERY SINGLE TIME VS NEW ENGLAND. As far as benching him for a "cfl qb who couldn't throw" I'm not even sure who you're referring to but I can assure that Wilson wasn't much better than any other qb on the Jets roster the last 3 years. In 2021 Wilson had 9 tds and 11 ints... the other qbs had 11 tds and 9 ints. 2022 Wilson had 6 tds and 7 ints... the other qbs had 8 tds and 7 ints. 2023 he had 8 tds and 7 ints... the other qbs had 3 tds and 8 ints. That's a total of 23 tds and 25 ints for Wilson and a total of 22 tds and 24 ints for the other qbs on the team. If any of those other qbs "couldn't throw" neither could Wilson lol.
Zach Wilson did not have much competition in his last college year. It was a covid year. He lost to Coastal Carolina in a game where they hit him every chance they got. And Coastal ran the ball to death to keep it from the offense. And why didnt the Jets QB coaches make him better. They taught him nothing!!
Please look at the performances of his replacement his first two years. Flacco and White managed the offensive just fine - so it’s not all supporting cast and coaching. He wasn’t ready. He’s not ready. He may never be ready. But Jets fans did want him to do well.
Flacco, White, and Wilson all ended their second year with QBRs within a couple of points of each other. In particular, White's last 8 quarters occurred without a single pass thrown into the endzone. It does make a good narrative, you know, if you have a quarterback in a bad situation, but some other player gets it to work, but it just ain't so. Zack Wilson's record in '22 was 5-4. Flacco was 1-3, and White was 1-3. White in particular caught lightning in a bottle in his one win, facing a team with essentially no defense, since Chicago had unloaded all players not on rookie deals at the trading deadline, but never won another game. Meanwhile, Flacco was subbed in briefly after White was basically sawn in half by Matt Milano (that guy never gets roughing flags), and benched after two plays, yet in Cleveland looked alright. The leadership issue was real though -- it's an intangible, but watching Mike White on the sidelines during the Lions game you saw that he was completely in the game without being in the game: Wilson on the sidelines would just sort of sit by himself. Not really a leader-type. He made steps in 2023, but you could kind of tell he was acting outside his normal emotional range. That may sound like psychobabble, but I know an introvert when I see one.
@@jessejordache1869😂😂😂... you're aware that it's a horrible sign when your #2 draft pick full time starting qb ends his 2nd season "with a QBR within a couple points" of two scrub qbs right? You really think it's a flex to say he was equally as bad as White and Flacco??? It's not 😂
Uh huh..You see that tape on Tim Boyle, Simion, Flacco, Mike White tho? When they benched Zach? You see how many different Oline combinations Zach had on that tape you watched? lol..Zach is a good QB! He beat the Bills! He outplayed Maholmes..He beat the undefeated Eagles..You see who he was throwing to before Garrett Wilson? You see who his OC's were? He's really in the same situation in Denver sitting behind no one with experience. At least Justin Fields can learn from Russ..I think Zach was exicting to watch at Metlife. But the Same Ol Jets is a thing..When they put in Flacco, Boyle, Shtmein, those games were str8 trash. Aaron Rodgers didn't even complete a pass..That's how bad the offense was..
The offense scored 15 ppg with Wilson last year and 17.5 ppg without him. The defense was top 5-10, Breece Hall was 2nd in the nfl among rbs behind only Christian McCaffrey for total yards and Garrett Wilson is a star wr. An average qb would've had a winning record on that team and a good qb would've made the playoffs
On buzz off. I watched every snap. He wasn’t ready but he also never got better aside from one game he lost and another facing the same defense he sees in practice every week (Texas). It’s never his fault with you guys.
An yer...because Joe Flacco, Mike White and Josh Johnson having success in a team that was able to field Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall for 2 of Zach's years was just awful wasnt it. Not at all on the lil kid that just couldn't play...
One thing that scouts shoud have as an ideology is being cautious of players on great teams because being on a elite team is what covers up your flaws. Ex: Zach Wilson with BYU o line where he was never forced to get rid of the ball quickly
Good analogy with Geno Smith. I would choose Alex Smith who absolutely stunk with SF and with a coaching change began to excell until his grusome injury...until the emergence of Pat Mahomes.
It's never a good analogy to use extreme outliers like Geno Smith to evaluate other players. That's like saying "why draft a qb in round 1 when you can get Tom Brady in the 6th round" 😂😂😂. Well... now name 5 other qbs from the last 40+ years who went from 6th round pick to hall of fame super bowl champion lol. The fact that Tom Brady exists doesn't mean teams can just get elite qbs in rounds 6 or 7 Amy time they want and the fact that Geno Smith exists it doesn't mean Zach Wilson will be a multiple time pro bowl qb 😂😂😂
1:44 You really can see the difference here between College and the NFL (and Zach Wilson is no exception). Look at the score (31 to 0 third quarter 14:25 minutes to play). I mean, here the Navy team is completely overwhelmed. That's why when you evaluate a QB during his last college year, before the draft, you got to choose games where the QB is struggling (close games). Otherwise, it makes no sense.
Well, sometimes you can and sometimes you can't, but look at the offensive line at BYU: they're huge. It made Zach Wilson's college reel into a bunch of 7 on 7s. To go from that to the Jets: the worst or near worst pass protecting line in the league is the definition of "a bad situation".
@@jessejordache1869Let's just look at 2022 shall we? - Titans 32nd ranked oline Qb- Ryan Tannehill 12 starts 65.2% completions 211.3 pass yards per game 13 tds 6 ints 94.6 passer rating - Jets 31st ranked oline Qb- Zach Wilson 9 starts 54.5% completions 187.6 pass yards per game 6 tds 7 ints 72.8 passer rating - Giants 30th ranked oline Qb- Daniel Jones 16 starts 67.2% completions 200.3 pass yards per game 15 tds 5 ints 92.5 passer rating - Saints 29th ranked oline Qb- Andy Dalton 14 starts 66.7% completions 205.1 pass yards per game 18 tds 9 ints 95.2 passer rating - Bengals 28th ranked oline Qb- Joe Burrow 16 starts 68.3% completions 279.7 pass yards per game 35 tds 12 ints 100.8 passer rating That's the 5 worst olines in the nfl from 2022 and guess which qb was the only qb to be AWFUL behind those bad olines??? A decent qb can at least be average behind a bad oline. Wilson was the worst qb in the nfl. A better oline isn't the difference between being HISTORICALLY BAD and being good 😂
@@jessejordache1869 you're deflecting. You blamed the oline but a decent qb can still be decent behind a bad oline and a good qb can still be good behind a bad oline. Happens literally every year. Joe Burrow was the most sacked qb in the nfl in 2021. He still put up mvp level stats and made the super bowl. I just showed you the 5 worst olines from 2022 and ONLY Wilson was bad behind those bad olines. The other 4 qbs were good behind bad olines
@@jessejordache1869 also, you realize most highly drafted rookie qbs were not drafted to good situations right? The good ones can still at least be average until the team gets better while the bad ones are horrible even after the team gets better. Wilson was horrible as a rookie, then horrible again year 2 and horrible again year 3. The rest of the team got better but he never did. Last year he had a good running back, great wr1 and the defense was top 5-10 and yet Wilson was still one of the worst qbs in the nfl. The difference between being the worst qb in the nfl and being good isn't simply a better oline lol.
As a Jets fan who hasn’t watched the video yet, I would say there was many reasons. First being that his character is poor and wasn’t a respected. Secondly would say the coaching wasn’t great between Lefleur and Hackett. The supporting cast also wasn’t amazing for him, specifically the offensive line. And lastly, he just wasn’t as good of a player as we hoped.
I think the ZW haters besides being insecure are largely a believer in finding “a savior” at the Qb position, which is exactly the position of poorly run franchises. Winning franchises develop young QBs. These are the facts. Zach was “groomed” by a rookie defensive minded HC, a rookie OC, a rookie Qb coach after knap died, and not a single live game snap in the entire Qb room… all combined with a bottom 3rd oline all 3 yrs and a bottom 3rd skill position unit all 3 yrs. Anyone saying that is a recipe for success is out of their mind. In fact that might be the EXACT recipe for Qb failure. Hopefully, Zach gets what he was missing in Denver.
Cj Stroud was "groomed" by a rookie defensive minded HC, a rookie OC, a rookie qb coach, his skill position players were nobodies or rookies who got hurt aside from the #1 tight end and his oline was ranked in the 20s sooooo 🤷
Zach Wilson failed because Nathaniel Hackett is awful. Zach wilson definitely wasn't the solution but at least Arthur Smith had a more consistent offense behind Desmond Ridder of all people.
It’s all about skills translating to the next level, especially players playing in second level conferences. It was the player…he is not good enough. The team sucked too but he sucked worse. It was also the second pick in the draft and incredibly valuable pick to miss on.
Look, as a BYU alum…who also happens to be from Philly, I’ve watched a bit more football than the average BYU fan, and also have a much higher tendency to hate our own players. Anyways, I was screaming about Zach’s horrific pocket presence under pressure before he left. The insanely inaccurate dump offs you saw in the NFL (where he would miss a wide-open 5-10 yd throw by 3 yards) were also an issue in college. Zach’s level of competition was also a little weird. Generally speaking, BYU faces, excellent competition, but the Covid year, BYU was scheduling anyone who was willing to play them. Naturally, BYU looks really good against bad teams that year.
Good analysis! As a lifelong Jets fan, I would say that Zach was definitely overrated coming out of college, (although I still don't blame the Jets for drafting him - as he was the consensus #2 pick after Trevor that year). Zach benefitted a lot from COVID, as BYU played in empty stadiums against much-lesser-quality teams. Also, having watched every single NFL game that Zach played as a Jet, I would say that while he has all of the physical talent a franchise QB needs, his biggest problem is between his ears. I just don't think he has a high football IQ or is able to process defenses quickly enough. He gets discombobulated too easily to be an NFL QB. (There's a reason franchise QBs get paid so well. It's not easy!) Finally, while the Jets may not have been the ideal landing spot for Zach, the vast majority of the blame for Zach's lackluster career up till now rests squarely on his own shoulders. I have nothing against Zach personally, but I would be very surprised if he ever turns his NFL career around. I saw him play for three years with the same issues repeating over time and sometimes even regressing. It's not due to his physical skills or his work ethic. It's all down to his mentality and inability to process NFL defenses at a high level.
While I do agree that he regressed year 1 to year 2, I did see a little bit of improvement in year 3 in terms of just footwork and taking the easy stuff a little more consistently but the issues from the first 2 years did still haunt him
@@joesanthosh5315they watered down the offense to nothing but quick, easy passes because he can't do anything else. That's the only reason he "improved" marginally last year... because they didn't ask him to do anything a real franchise qb has to do lol
Couple of reasons: 1. He doesn't process the field at all, which substantially limits the number of passing routes you can call. The sheer number of safe checkdowns this man has ignored... 2. Jets gave him an atrocious supporting cast. Outside of Garrett Wilson, nobody can reliably create space with their defender, and don't get me started on their OL. 3. Immaturity. He just doesn't have the mindset or attributes necessary to be the leader of a team.
@@Chrisd0ntmissit is objectively true Lmfao. Defense doesn’t help a young QB develop. Tell me what elite players were on that offense besides Garret Wilson and 7 weeks of Breece hall 😂
@@rorytribbet6424 you don’t need “elite” players at every single position for your offense with a young QB to be good. Look at the packers or the Bills when Josh Allen initially started playing good. Tyler Conklin is solid, so was Elijah Moore and Corey Davis. All of these players had better numbers when Zach wasn’t throwing the ball that’s extremely telling. Garrett included. So like I said, objectively not true.
He was coming along nicely until about the midway through season 2. It was at that point when some analysts made a lot of noise saying the Jets were "a QB away from contention". That's when it all went sideways. I can blame Zach that he didn't have the mental strength to blot out the external noise but worse than that, his teammates started to listen to all that. Finally, I blame Saleh for playing QB musical chairs the remainder of the season to make the situation a whole lot worse.
If people were saying they needed a better qb half way through his 2nd season don't you think that's because the current qb wasn't good? Half way through his 2nd season he had a whopping 13 pass tds in 20 games to go along with 16 ints and a 55% completion%. Yeah... he was truly on his way to being great until that pesky "media" made him be terrible 🤦🤷
I don't know who else noticed it, but Wilson seemed to be on a pretty good track during the first few weeks of his rookie season. My thinking is that Saleh stupidly bouncing Cavanaugh off the team is around the same time Zach started to tank.
Except Wilson had a more than capable supporting cast. A pro bowl level wr1, a pro bowl level rb1 and a top 5-10 defense is more than enough for a qb to at least be average lol. Wilson was HISTORICALLY BAD and the worst starting qb in the nfl.
you know that theres a video about Zach Wilson struggle right?? NYJ lost their QB coach who was pretty high on Wilson during the draft process and it didnt help they just patched a QB Coach along during the season of his rookie year to develop him. And of course there was not a lot of legit weapons and OL for Wilson his rookie year. You're essentially telling a G5 QB to be your franchise QB vs a professional team. Not making excuse for Wilson but the situation that was given to him was terrible. your HC a defensive minded HC and your QB Coach who was high on you passed away then you are essentially trying to build rapport with your new QB coach on the go and expect to play like at Top 5 pick because of your draft status especially in New York as well. Bad timing; but its the same old story everyone wants to brag about Trubrisky over Mahomes but if Mahomes was in Trubrisky spot he would never ever be Mahomes of today
No they absolutely did not. If wilson was even half good hed have any production. He has garrett wilson, breece hall and corey davis. Im not saying be should have been mahomes but like cmon he can be better than literally the worst qb in the league
@@raffettoman he had piss poor offensive line that got even Aaron Rodgers put on IR he was thrown into the fire right away got burned and lost his confidence and the jets never even attempted to develop the guy
Look at ZW NOT during the COVID yr. In the COVID yr. his WRs were always open. And they played nobody. ANY time he played a "tougher team" he was bad (even against Coastal Carolina), forcing 'hero ball' throws in to double and triple coverage. Which defines his time at the Jets. It's the same guy. With the same issues. He can't read defenses. He just sees open guys and throws. He wasn't on any draft board before the COVID season. He benefited from COVID more than any person on earth.
I watched Zach Wilson a good amount throughout his college career and I never saw the hype. He has a strong arm but not much else. Even in college his ability to process the field and control the offense was questionable at best, especially during his first two years. BYU's competition level dropped significantly his third year due to COVID and that's when he finally played well consistently. Wilson and the Jets were a match made in hell. He needed to go somewhere he could sit and develop, like if he fell one more pick to San Francisco. Instead he went to the Jets who threw him into the fire right away when he was not even close to being ready. Wilson still deserves a lot of blame though because he lost the locker room really quickly and whenever the Jets played anyone else at QB, their offense looked better. It's just a shame to see a high draft pick completely mismanaged my both sides. I hope Wilson learns from this and builds a decent career for himself, and I also hope that this is a cautionary tale for other teams when they're drafting a QB in the first round
Well, where do you start with this topic? First, the Jets for years have lacked the offensive minded coaches to properly develop a competent quarterback. Most Jets head coaches have been specialized on the defensive side of the ball, guys such as Mangini, Ryan, Bowles, Herm, and Saleh. When they did hire Adam Gase, well, who knows. That hire was a bizarre disaster from the press conference to the Sam Darnold "Ghost" game but this is the Jets we're talking about. During his brief tenure with the J-E-T-S, Jets Jets ,Jets Zach was mired with poor coaching, immaturity, and woeful inconsistency. He had absolutely no touch on his passes usually a byproduct of his below average throwing mechanics. He also never seemed mentally invested in his craft. He never was able to perform under pressure on and off the field. Zach is Johnny Manziel 2.0.
Zach Wilson stunk but good god did the Jets murder him. That last game against Miami was embarrassing. Every play in that 2nd quarter they had him turn his back to the defense for a fake handoff just get smashed the instant he turned around. Brutal, like dude I'm on the couch and I could see the play coming, come on.
You're aware that QBs are developed by the offensive coordinators, qb coaches, offensive quality control coaches and passing game coordinators and not the defensive HC right?
Everything you said, plus mediocre to abysmal O-line play and receivers. Aside from Garret Wilson who has been great, Ty Conklin decent, that’s it. But go back to the Houston gave, and wonder why he couldn’t do it all the time,
Zach plays too much like a 12 year old playing madden. Without understanding the defense picking a route they think will work (and is usually deep) and just try to snap the ball and wait it out instead of reading the defense. His progressions actually got slower than when he was in college (they tried to simplify the reads for him like they were at BYU for him and that didn't work at all) I think he had too much hype around him as he was also a bad leader (put up 80 yards total in a full game and his defense held the pats to 3 points all game and lost on a special teams play and when asked if he thinks he let down the defense he said no) I think his brain just doesn't work as fast as most NFL qbs, and it's almost like he can't really see the field
Way too early to know if ZW is a bust or not because he’s still very young, plus the jets were a poor QB team, especially since most of his tenure ZW suffered an awful O-line… but then again, ZW was NOT a total disaster, he had several excellent games and several average games…. In fact, ZW had just as many good games as he had bad games…
Look, as a BYU alum…who also happens to be from Philly, I’ve watched a bit more football than the average BYU fan, and also have a much higher tendency to hate our own players. Anyways, I was screaming about Zach’s horrific pocket presence under pressure before he left. The insanely inaccurate dump offs you saw in the NFL (where he would miss a wide-open 5-10 yd throw by 3 yards) were also an issue in college. Zach’s level of competition was also a little weird. Generally speaking, BYU faces, excellent competition, but the Covid year, BYU was scheduling anyone who was willing to play them. Naturally, BYU looks really good against bad teams that year.
Zach Wilson is the same age as Michael Penix and Bo Nix.
Is there a point to this or just a fun fact?
If you go by the narrative, he never played well. That's not true. he got better this year. Cut down on turnovers, much better at throwing the ball away etc. He outplayed Mahomes vs KC, Russell Wilson. Did he hold the ball at times. yes. However, he had one receiver who could create separation. Even when he played well he was often running for his life. Watch the Texans game. CJ Stroud, who is really good, struggled to make plays. Wilson, in rain and wind, threw the ball around like it was a bright sunny day. If you had only seen this game would you have picked Stroud over Wilson? Stroud was great last year. I am simply saying Zach did not always play badly. The Jet coaching staff, in my opinion, scapegoated him. They benched him, and the timing of those benching started this "if we only had a QB". The receiving core was not good and the offensive line was awful. As for backups playing better than Wilson Yes, one game at a time. Would they have played well over 5 games? They were made to play with Rodgers and when he got hurt that was that.
It’s never baby boy with these weirdos. He’s never done anything wrong.
It was quite comical watching the coaching staff basically begging Zach to play after benching him for the third time. Zach left NY with the coaches saying he gave them the best chance to win.
Look at the moves the Jets made in the offseason 3 starting level OL, a true 1b WR, then another OLman at pick 11 and another WR with their next pick. It’s clear by those moves they know they couldn’t run that poor ass offense out there another season.
Nah he trash
I love how you isolated one single game out of his entire 3 year career and used that as proof that he's not actually a terrible qb. Let's compare his game logs from last year shall we?
- Vs Houston:
75% completions
301 pass yards
2 pass tds
0 ints
1 fumble
- Other 11 games played:
58.4% completions
179 pass yards per game
6 pass tds
7 ints
10 fumbles
Gee... I wonder which set of stats more accurately depicts his level of play? That ONE good game or the other 11 games?
@@OutsidetheEchochamber silly logic considering they were willing to run that "poor" offense out there with Aaron friggin Rodgers. Bro, they had Garrett Wilson, a star #1 wr... Breece Hall who was 2nd in the nfl in total yards for rbs behind only Christian McCaffrey and a top 5-10 defense. It was not a bad team they just had the worst starting qb in the nfl. He had 8 total tds and 18 ints/fumbles in 12 games. He had 0 tds in 6 of his 12 games and he only put up 15 ppg in those12 games. The difference between being the worst qb in the nfl and a good qb is not simply a better oline 😂😂😂😂
When McNair (RIP) was drafted #3 he wasnt a starter until his 2nd season. I wished the jets followed that blueprint.
absolutely. When did the nfl get away from having a rookie sit behind a vet for a few years. The last time the Jets did that they had a potential franchise QB with Pennington.
Actually McNair wasn't the starter until year 3 and he was an awful passer that year and didn't become a good passer until like year 6-7. In his first 4 years starting he had 56 pass tds and 44 ints with a completion% around 58% and a passer rating around 80.5
@@dante6563😂😂😂... Pennington was a dink and dunker with a noodle arm who built his legacy on check downs and screens which made his completion% look great but their passing attack was still below average. Also.... the nfl has pretty much been starting highly drafted qbs as rookies the last 30+ years lol. It's rare that a qb like Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love sits for 3 years. So rare that they are essentially the only two good qbs who sat that long. Almost every elite qb started as rookies for at least half their rookie year. Guys like Mahomes who sat one year only sat because the team already had a pro bowl qb who was winning games.
Not only that, but Mahomes sat behind Alex smith for his rookie year, and now he’s winning superbowls. It’s def better for the rookie to sit back a year and learn the offense before taking on to much imo.
The Jets had Schroedinger's line for at least the 2022 & 2023 seasons. A year later we're still wondering if Aaron Rodgers still "has it", because that line gave us no information. Breece Hall had a good game or two, but then couldn't run inside because he'd hit the line and go down: Zach Wilson had to throw him the ball at the second level. Does that mean Breece is a bust? No -- well maybe, but Jets fans will never say so because that's not the narrative.
One thing you can see in the BYU film is that Zach Wilson is so overprotected, he's basically running a 7 on 7 offense. You're never going to get protected that well in the NFL, and being picked up by the Jets with their offensive personnel and coaches is the definition of a bad situation. ZW has ridiculous arm talent, which means nothing if you can't throw under pressure, but then on the other hand there's pressure and there's having the right side of the line being Max Mitchell and Billy Turner against the Chargers. The Chargers' Edge Rushers were switching sides so one player didn't get to hog all the topline stats.
So I can argue with myself for days if I want, but the truth is nobody really knows.
Great take. At this point the next few years will go a long way in answering was it the Jets or was it Zach. If the Jets end up with a 9-8 or 10-7 records with a healthy AR and maybe barely making the playoffs, then I would say it's more on the Jets. It would a few more years if Zach would resurrect his career. He would be lucky if he ended up being another Geno Smith or Baker Mayfield. Most of the time it's usually both parties fault. As an example, Jordan Love is now touted as the next great thing in GB. I would bet that had he been in Zach's footsteps here, he would have been ran out of town as well.
@@cc352 Thanks. This year, the Jets OLine is no joke though. Last year, we were unlucky again with all the injuries to the same unit, but they started off pretty bad.
Alls I know is the season can't get here fast enough.
@@cc352 the jets future has no weight on whether it was zach or the jets. Their moves tell you what they assume to be the problem. They got morgan moses, tyron smith, olu fashanu with the 11th, john simpson. Mike williams, malachi corley, a Rb2 and 3 in the draft. Its all offense. You cant even make a comparison from last years team to this years except on defense. Only zach can prove whether it was them or him. If he fails, it was him. If he succeeds, it was them. Jets hold no weight in determining that.
I do agree tho that it was both. Nd if you wanna split it. First 2 years it was him, last year it was them.
@@jessejordache1869bro... Breece Hall was 2nd in the nfl in total yards for rbs behind only Christian McCaffrey and ESPN just ranked him as the 2nd best rb in the nfl while PFF has him 7th. To even suggest he's a bust is absolutely ridiculous. Fyi... put Jordan Love in NY last year and he'd be fine. Their OC was his OC for 2 years so he knows the offense already and they had a star rb and star wr1 with a top 5-10 defense... he would've been just fine. Now put ZW in Green Bay last year where they had 0 wrs with more than one partial season of nfl experience, 2 rookie tight ends, an average at best defense and they were missing their #1 rb, #1 wr, #1 te for half the season and their LT missed the whole season and Wilson would've been trash as usual. What Love did last year on the youngest and least experienced roster in the entire nfl was unprecedented. Literally no other qb in history had the success he had with such an inexperienced roster.
@@AdamB34 In total yards, not rushing yards, which is the point when you're talking about offensive line.
Next I will explain the forward pass.
He benefited the MOST from the Covid restrictions limiting the schedule. A better representation of who he was would be the year before as he played better competition.
As a huge Jets fan, I can tell you the fan base was rooting for him. We all wanted him to be the franchise QB. He's got a good arm but didnt do any of the other stuff. His leadership skills were piss poor. When he said he wasnt to blame against NE, he lost the team and most of the reasonable fans. His main issue is that he can't process the NFL game. I dont know how many times he just ran around. I get the OL wasnt great but his play made it worst. I'm glad we/he's moved on. No ill will towards ZW. He wasnt ever going to make it after year 2. All the truthers can go become Broncos fans now.
Finally somebody said the truth instead of just giving excuses that they always do especially Justin Fields truthers
Most Jets fan don't hold that New England loss against him anymore because he's matured since then
@@maskedman5657 Most Jets fans put the nail in the ZW/Jets franchise QB coffin. That's when we all knew it wasnt going to work. Let's be real.
He made one mistake after many of his teammates had made similar ridiculous mistakes to the the media and didn’t get judged for it. Saleh allowed a toxic and dysfunctional locker-room to form in New York that I am not sure is rooted out even now. It was a terrible look but seriously the kid had as bad of an NFL experience as is possible to have… first time Hc, first time OC( that still 2 years after being fired has failed to land another OC job…) horrible O line, a few good but inexperienced weapons… and the spotlight on him before he was ready. Just a mess.
@rorytribbet6424 this is it! No coach in the nfl would allow the team to root for the backup qb the way saleh did, the kid matured alot and became a better qb from year 2 to 3, nobody talks about the jets recievers dropping everything and the oline getting him killed they won 7 games with him and were in almost every BECAUSE of him, I'm not a "truther" but I wish him the best he deserves a better situation
I still will never forgive Jackson Krueger for making a most underrated QB list and putting Joe Burrow as number 1
Unforgivable
What is your issue with it? That Burrow isn't underrated or that Burrow isn't that good?
Terry Bradshaw was considered a bust when he came out of college.Jim Plunkett won a Heisman but had NO success in New England (later winning TWO Super Bowls with the Raiders). If Tom Brady had gone to Cleveland, there would be no such thing as Tom Brady. Sometimes WHERE you go has a lot to do with how your career or lack of one, goes.
It's astonishing how long the MEDIA ran cover for Justin Fields for THREE SOLID YEARS and how many people made excuses for him...I guess it was all that 'white privilege' he has.
Who cares about qbs from 50+ years ago? What does Tom Brady, the biggest anomaly in American sports history, have to do with anything?
The Jet OL was the absolute worst in the NFL at letting in unblocked rushers, due to injuries and incompetence and the worst OL coach in the NFL.
Then add in a rookie OC initially, followed by the Hackett the worst OC in the NFL even worse than his failed OC father.
Then throw in Saleh's conservative influence of running on the majority of first downs despite having a horrible OL.
Jim Plunkett when asked about possibly being the number 1 pick in the draft and being drafted by long term cellar dwelling Patriots ( as Jet fans call that time the good ole days) said "he wouldn't mind that for a year, but then he wanted to join the NFL".
Zach Wilson, now coached by Sean Payton, is finally joining the NFL.
It’s never baby boy’s fault with these BYU weirdos. He was objectively terrible at every single basic football decision on the field and off. I watched every snap. All other excuses included - he ain’t it. I hope he does turn it around though.
Bro come on now, how did Mike White (never played a game until 2021 despite 2021 being his 4th season) and Joe Flacco (40 year old corpse) manage the offense much much better and put up better numbers??
@@johng.4711 And to add on to that Mike White and Joe Flacco did MUCH better. I have yet to see Zach play as good as Mike White in that Bengals game where they came back or his game against Chicago or Flacco's game against the Browns coming back from 13 down in final 2 mins
@@joesanthosh5315 I just wanted to give you some details on Hall Of Famer Mike White vs Zach In 2021 - White played the Bengals, the Bengals were playing their 3rd straight road game, they won the first one, then blew out their archrival Ravens in the 2nd road game and took over first place, then they came in flat against the Jets and lost to 400 yd Mike White in his first start and where no film of him existed. In that game White threw checkdowns and the Bengals had a flat tackling day and lost and he got to 400+ yards. In 2022 - White got the start against the worst defense that year, the Chicago Bears, he had great protection and had a big game against a team with the worst defense in the NFL and that had given up.
So excluding those two games against a 3rd week road team and NFL worst defense - here are his stats
Mike White in 2021 - he had 2 TDs, 6 INTs, and No wins and 2 losses
Mike White in 2022 - he had 0 TDs, 4 INTs, and No wins and 3 losses
That's 2 TDs, 10 INTs, 0 Wins, 5 Losses Don't expect the HOF to be calling anytime soon
@@Sharp_Instinctsthank you!!! Mike white was horrible
Of course there are lots of factors in every QB failure, but if you ask me for a one-line summary, I'd say because the Jets failed him. They failed him by declaring him the starter from day one w/o a decent backup (like Tyrod Taylor) despite his clearly not being ready. That shattered his confidence and helped his mechanics become even more messed up, to the point where he was regularly overthrowing screens by 2 yards. Then, after getting some time off, and learning significant stuff from AR in a short time -- repairing his mechanics, not backpedaling automatically, becoming far more careful with his throws, reading the field much better, etc. -- they failed him by putting him beyond an OL that was the NFL's worst by far in both passing and running (how many games did the great Breece average 1 yard and total less than 50?), starting receivers Lazard and Cobb, and having the NFL's worst OC in both play design and playcalling. Even great and mobile QB's like Mahomes (in SB), Allen and Stroud looked lost and mediocre when their entire line got crushed and their receivers were consistently covered. To ask a still inexperienced QB with a ton of fan pressure and hatred to play week after week under these conditions, was criminal. I still expect that Zach will prove to be a decent-good starting QB, if he gets a reasonable chance in Denver or elsewhere.
Wait, flacco was his backup year one wasn't it?! How are people still saying flacco is washed?! I still don't even understand why he was traded away from the jets?!
Translation: "Year 1 was everyone else's fault. Year 2 was everyone else's fault. Year 3 was everyone else's fault 😢😭😭😭. Go Zach!"
Too much was made of that New England game in year two. Thing spiraled because calmer heads didn't prevail. And when the Jets benched Wilson for a CFL scrub who couldn't throw the ball, that's when I knew the Jets just don't know what they're doing.
@@FavreianVengeance you're joking right? Wilson played against NE 4x his first two seasons and he lost and was horrible all 4 times. He lost 25-6 with 0 tds and 4 ints game 1. Then lost 54-13 with 0 tds and 59 total yards game 2. Then lost 22-17 with 2 tds and 3 ints game 3. Then lost 10-3 with 0 tds and 110 total yards game 4. That's a total record of 0-4 with 2 tds 7 ints and a combined score of 111-33 vs NE his first 2 seasons 😂😂. That doesn't even include last year where he ONCE AGAIN lost to NE 15-10 and had 0 tds with 181 total yards. I'm not sure how you came up with the narrative that "too much was made of that of that ONE New England game" but he was AWFUL EVERY SINGLE TIME VS NEW ENGLAND.
As far as benching him for a "cfl qb who couldn't throw" I'm not even sure who you're referring to but I can assure that Wilson wasn't much better than any other qb on the Jets roster the last 3 years. In 2021 Wilson had 9 tds and 11 ints... the other qbs had 11 tds and 9 ints. 2022 Wilson had 6 tds and 7 ints... the other qbs had 8 tds and 7 ints. 2023 he had 8 tds and 7 ints... the other qbs had 3 tds and 8 ints. That's a total of 23 tds and 25 ints for Wilson and a total of 22 tds and 24 ints for the other qbs on the team. If any of those other qbs "couldn't throw" neither could Wilson lol.
Zach Wilson did not have much competition in his last college year. It was a covid year. He lost to Coastal Carolina in a game where they hit him every chance they got. And Coastal ran the ball to death to keep it from the offense. And why didnt the Jets QB coaches make him better. They taught him nothing!!
Please look at the performances of his replacement his first two years. Flacco and White managed the offensive just fine - so it’s not all supporting cast and coaching. He wasn’t ready. He’s not ready. He may never be ready. But Jets fans did want him to do well.
Flacco, White, and Wilson all ended their second year with QBRs within a couple of points of each other. In particular, White's last 8 quarters occurred without a single pass thrown into the endzone.
It does make a good narrative, you know, if you have a quarterback in a bad situation, but some other player gets it to work, but it just ain't so. Zack Wilson's record in '22 was 5-4. Flacco was 1-3, and White was 1-3. White in particular caught lightning in a bottle in his one win, facing a team with essentially no defense, since Chicago had unloaded all players not on rookie deals at the trading deadline, but never won another game. Meanwhile, Flacco was subbed in briefly after White was basically sawn in half by Matt Milano (that guy never gets roughing flags), and benched after two plays, yet in Cleveland looked alright.
The leadership issue was real though -- it's an intangible, but watching Mike White on the sidelines during the Lions game you saw that he was completely in the game without being in the game: Wilson on the sidelines would just sort of sit by himself. Not really a leader-type. He made steps in 2023, but you could kind of tell he was acting outside his normal emotional range. That may sound like psychobabble, but I know an introvert when I see one.
@@jessejordache1869😂😂😂... you're aware that it's a horrible sign when your #2 draft pick full time starting qb ends his 2nd season "with a QBR within a couple points" of two scrub qbs right? You really think it's a flex to say he was equally as bad as White and Flacco??? It's not 😂
@@AdamB34 Did I steal your lunch money?
@@jessejordache1869 did you deflect because you don't have a coherent rebuttal?
He made plays against Navy and a bunch of other non power 5 teams.
You can look the part, throw it a mile, but you also need processing abilities.
Uh huh..You see that tape on Tim Boyle, Simion, Flacco, Mike White tho? When they benched Zach? You see how many different Oline combinations Zach had on that tape you watched? lol..Zach is a good QB! He beat the Bills! He outplayed Maholmes..He beat the undefeated Eagles..You see who he was throwing to before Garrett Wilson? You see who his OC's were? He's really in the same situation in Denver sitting behind no one with experience. At least Justin Fields can learn from Russ..I think Zach was exicting to watch at Metlife. But the Same Ol Jets is a thing..When they put in Flacco, Boyle, Shtmein, those games were str8 trash. Aaron Rodgers didn't even complete a pass..That's how bad the offense was..
Is this satire or you’re being serious?
Flacco , Sieman , Johnson , White and Strevler ALL LOOK BETTER THAN ZACH WILSON
Are u trolling us?
@live2thefullest617
Zach out played Mahomes? I think what you meant to say was the Jets D made Mahomes look like Zach Wilson.
The offense scored 15 ppg with Wilson last year and 17.5 ppg without him. The defense was top 5-10, Breece Hall was 2nd in the nfl among rbs behind only Christian McCaffrey for total yards and Garrett Wilson is a star wr. An average qb would've had a winning record on that team and a good qb would've made the playoffs
his weaknesses were spot on lol
The scouting report was spot on plus he had pretty good protection at BYU.
Correction: Why did the New York Jets FAIL Zach Wilson
On buzz off. I watched every snap. He wasn’t ready but he also never got better aside from one game he lost and another facing the same defense he sees in practice every week (Texas). It’s never his fault with you guys.
@@johng.4711 tell that to Geno Smith and Sam Darnold
Oh funny I don't remember Mike White being that terrible in the Jets offense
@@dat1falconsfan4life yes because Sam Darnold is lighting up the league 🤣 and Geno Smith took what, 9 years and 4 teams to be decent?
An yer...because Joe Flacco, Mike White and Josh Johnson having success in a team that was able to field Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall for 2 of Zach's years was just awful wasnt it. Not at all on the lil kid that just couldn't play...
One thing that scouts shoud have as an ideology is being cautious of players on great teams
because being on a elite team is what covers up your flaws.
Ex: Zach Wilson with BYU o line where he was never forced to get rid of the ball quickly
Good analogy with Geno Smith. I would choose Alex Smith who absolutely stunk with SF and with a coaching change began to excell until his grusome injury...until the emergence of Pat Mahomes.
It's never a good analogy to use extreme outliers like Geno Smith to evaluate other players. That's like saying "why draft a qb in round 1 when you can get Tom Brady in the 6th round" 😂😂😂. Well... now name 5 other qbs from the last 40+ years who went from 6th round pick to hall of fame super bowl champion lol. The fact that Tom Brady exists doesn't mean teams can just get elite qbs in rounds 6 or 7 Amy time they want and the fact that Geno Smith exists it doesn't mean Zach Wilson will be a multiple time pro bowl qb 😂😂😂
1:44 You really can see the difference here between College and the NFL (and Zach Wilson is no exception). Look at the score (31 to 0 third quarter 14:25 minutes to play). I mean, here the Navy team is completely overwhelmed. That's why when you evaluate a QB during his last college year, before the draft, you got to choose games where the QB is struggling (close games). Otherwise, it makes no sense.
Well, sometimes you can and sometimes you can't, but look at the offensive line at BYU: they're huge. It made Zach Wilson's college reel into a bunch of 7 on 7s. To go from that to the Jets: the worst or near worst pass protecting line in the league is the definition of "a bad situation".
@@jessejordache1869Let's just look at 2022 shall we?
- Titans 32nd ranked oline
Qb- Ryan Tannehill
12 starts
65.2% completions
211.3 pass yards per game
13 tds
6 ints
94.6 passer rating
- Jets 31st ranked oline
Qb- Zach Wilson
9 starts
54.5% completions
187.6 pass yards per game
6 tds
7 ints
72.8 passer rating
- Giants 30th ranked oline
Qb- Daniel Jones
16 starts
67.2% completions
200.3 pass yards per game
15 tds
5 ints
92.5 passer rating
- Saints 29th ranked oline
Qb- Andy Dalton
14 starts
66.7% completions
205.1 pass yards per game
18 tds
9 ints
95.2 passer rating
- Bengals 28th ranked oline
Qb- Joe Burrow
16 starts
68.3% completions
279.7 pass yards per game
35 tds
12 ints
100.8 passer rating
That's the 5 worst olines in the nfl from 2022 and guess which qb was the only qb to be AWFUL behind those bad olines??? A decent qb can at least be average behind a bad oline. Wilson was the worst qb in the nfl. A better oline isn't the difference between being HISTORICALLY BAD and being good 😂
@@AdamB34 The success or failure of a rookie QB depends almost entirely on the situation they're drafted into.
@@jessejordache1869 you're deflecting. You blamed the oline but a decent qb can still be decent behind a bad oline and a good qb can still be good behind a bad oline. Happens literally every year. Joe Burrow was the most sacked qb in the nfl in 2021. He still put up mvp level stats and made the super bowl. I just showed you the 5 worst olines from 2022 and ONLY Wilson was bad behind those bad olines. The other 4 qbs were good behind bad olines
@@jessejordache1869 also, you realize most highly drafted rookie qbs were not drafted to good situations right? The good ones can still at least be average until the team gets better while the bad ones are horrible even after the team gets better. Wilson was horrible as a rookie, then horrible again year 2 and horrible again year 3. The rest of the team got better but he never did. Last year he had a good running back, great wr1 and the defense was top 5-10 and yet Wilson was still one of the worst qbs in the nfl. The difference between being the worst qb in the nfl and being good isn't simply a better oline lol.
As a Jets fan who hasn’t watched the video yet, I would say there was many reasons. First being that his character is poor and wasn’t a respected. Secondly would say the coaching wasn’t great between Lefleur and Hackett. The supporting cast also wasn’t amazing for him, specifically the offensive line. And lastly, he just wasn’t as good of a player as we hoped.
I think the ZW haters besides being insecure are largely a believer in finding “a savior” at the Qb position, which is exactly the position of poorly run franchises. Winning franchises develop young QBs. These are the facts. Zach was “groomed” by a rookie defensive minded HC, a rookie OC, a rookie Qb coach after knap died, and not a single live game snap in the entire Qb room… all combined with a bottom 3rd oline all 3 yrs and a bottom 3rd skill position unit all 3 yrs. Anyone saying that is a recipe for success is out of their mind. In fact that might be the EXACT recipe for Qb failure. Hopefully, Zach gets what he was missing in Denver.
Cj Stroud was "groomed" by a rookie defensive minded HC, a rookie OC, a rookie qb coach, his skill position players were nobodies or rookies who got hurt aside from the #1 tight end and his oline was ranked in the 20s sooooo 🤷
Fans got sick of him throw the ball in the dirt
Zach Wilson failed because Nathaniel Hackett is awful. Zach wilson definitely wasn't the solution but at least Arthur Smith had a more consistent offense behind Desmond Ridder of all people.
He wasn't just coached by hackett either
It’s all about skills translating to the next level, especially players playing in second level conferences. It was the player…he is not good enough. The team sucked too but he sucked worse. It was also the second pick in the draft and incredibly valuable pick to miss on.
Look, as a BYU alum…who also happens to be from Philly, I’ve watched a bit more football than the average BYU fan, and also have a much higher tendency to hate our own players. Anyways, I was screaming about Zach’s horrific pocket presence under pressure before he left. The insanely inaccurate dump offs you saw in the NFL (where he would miss a wide-open 5-10 yd throw by 3 yards) were also an issue in college.
Zach’s level of competition was also a little weird. Generally speaking, BYU faces, excellent competition, but the Covid year, BYU was scheduling anyone who was willing to play them. Naturally, BYU looks really good against bad teams that year.
Good analysis! As a lifelong Jets fan, I would say that Zach was definitely overrated coming out of college, (although I still don't blame the Jets for drafting him - as he was the consensus #2 pick after Trevor that year). Zach benefitted a lot from COVID, as BYU played in empty stadiums against much-lesser-quality teams.
Also, having watched every single NFL game that Zach played as a Jet, I would say that while he has all of the physical talent a franchise QB needs, his biggest problem is between his ears. I just don't think he has a high football IQ or is able to process defenses quickly enough. He gets discombobulated too easily to be an NFL QB. (There's a reason franchise QBs get paid so well. It's not easy!)
Finally, while the Jets may not have been the ideal landing spot for Zach, the vast majority of the blame for Zach's lackluster career up till now rests squarely on his own shoulders. I have nothing against Zach personally, but I would be very surprised if he ever turns his NFL career around. I saw him play for three years with the same issues repeating over time and sometimes even regressing. It's not due to his physical skills or his work ethic. It's all down to his mentality and inability to process NFL defenses at a high level.
While I do agree that he regressed year 1 to year 2, I did see a little bit of improvement in year 3 in terms of just footwork and taking the easy stuff a little more consistently but the issues from the first 2 years did still haunt him
OH THE PAIN BRO! Oh the pain.
@@joesanthosh5315they watered down the offense to nothing but quick, easy passes because he can't do anything else. That's the only reason he "improved" marginally last year... because they didn't ask him to do anything a real franchise qb has to do lol
Couple of reasons:
1. He doesn't process the field at all, which substantially limits the number of passing routes you can call. The sheer number of safe checkdowns this man has ignored...
2. Jets gave him an atrocious supporting cast. Outside of Garrett Wilson, nobody can reliably create space with their defender, and don't get me started on their OL.
3. Immaturity. He just doesn't have the mindset or attributes necessary to be the leader of a team.
Actually he had Elijah Moore too alongside Garret in year 2
#2 is just objectively wrong lmao
Agreed… but those mindsets can and have been cultivated by a good coaching staff… saleh and Lafleur failed to do so in every way possible lol.
@@Chrisd0ntmissit is objectively true Lmfao. Defense doesn’t help a young QB develop. Tell me what elite players were on that offense besides Garret Wilson and 7 weeks of Breece hall 😂
@@rorytribbet6424 you don’t need “elite” players at every single position for your offense with a young QB to be good. Look at the packers or the Bills when Josh Allen initially started playing good. Tyler Conklin is solid, so was Elijah Moore and Corey Davis. All of these players had better numbers when Zach wasn’t throwing the ball that’s extremely telling. Garrett included. So like I said, objectively not true.
He was coming along nicely until about the midway through season 2. It was at that point when some analysts made a lot of noise saying the Jets were "a QB away from contention". That's when it all went sideways. I can blame Zach that he didn't have the mental strength to blot out the external noise but worse than that, his teammates started to listen to all that. Finally, I blame Saleh for playing QB musical chairs the remainder of the season to make the situation a whole lot worse.
If people were saying they needed a better qb half way through his 2nd season don't you think that's because the current qb wasn't good? Half way through his 2nd season he had a whopping 13 pass tds in 20 games to go along with 16 ints and a 55% completion%. Yeah... he was truly on his way to being great until that pesky "media" made him be terrible 🤦🤷
I don't know who else noticed it, but Wilson seemed to be on a pretty good track during the first few weeks of his rookie season. My thinking is that Saleh stupidly bouncing Cavanaugh off the team is around the same time Zach started to tank.
In his first 6 games of his rookie season he had 4 tds, 9 ints, 2 fumbles and a completion% around 57%. How is that a "good track"?
Pretty much this. A QB is usually only as good as his supporting cast.
Except Wilson had a more than capable supporting cast. A pro bowl level wr1, a pro bowl level rb1 and a top 5-10 defense is more than enough for a qb to at least be average lol. Wilson was HISTORICALLY BAD and the worst starting qb in the nfl.
4:20 Those last two points are the biggest reasons he failed he never overcame them.
you know that theres a video about Zach Wilson struggle right?? NYJ lost their QB coach who was pretty high on Wilson during the draft process and it didnt help they just patched a QB Coach along during the season of his rookie year to develop him. And of course there was not a lot of legit weapons and OL for Wilson his rookie year. You're essentially telling a G5 QB to be your franchise QB vs a professional team. Not making excuse for Wilson but the situation that was given to him was terrible. your HC a defensive minded HC and your QB Coach who was high on you passed away then you are essentially trying to build rapport with your new QB coach on the go and expect to play like at Top 5 pick because of your draft status especially in New York as well.
Bad timing; but its the same old story everyone wants to brag about Trubrisky over Mahomes but if Mahomes was in Trubrisky spot he would never ever be Mahomes of today
If his ceiling is Geno Smith, YIKES!
The jets failed Zach Wilson
No they absolutely did not. If wilson was even half good hed have any production. He has garrett wilson, breece hall and corey davis. Im not saying be should have been mahomes but like cmon he can be better than literally the worst qb in the league
@@raffettoman he had piss poor offensive line that got even Aaron Rodgers put on IR he was thrown into the fire right away got burned and lost his confidence and the jets never even attempted to develop the guy
ZW failed ZW.
It’s never baby boy’s fault with these BYU weirdos.
So why exactly did Mike White and Joe Flacco do much better in the same offense?
Look at ZW NOT during the COVID yr. In the COVID yr. his WRs were always open. And they played nobody. ANY time he played a "tougher team" he was bad (even against Coastal Carolina), forcing 'hero ball' throws in to double and triple coverage. Which defines his time at the Jets. It's the same guy. With the same issues. He can't read defenses. He just sees open guys and throws. He wasn't on any draft board before the COVID season. He benefited from COVID more than any person on earth.
I watched Zach Wilson a good amount throughout his college career and I never saw the hype. He has a strong arm but not much else. Even in college his ability to process the field and control the offense was questionable at best, especially during his first two years. BYU's competition level dropped significantly his third year due to COVID and that's when he finally played well consistently. Wilson and the Jets were a match made in hell. He needed to go somewhere he could sit and develop, like if he fell one more pick to San Francisco. Instead he went to the Jets who threw him into the fire right away when he was not even close to being ready. Wilson still deserves a lot of blame though because he lost the locker room really quickly and whenever the Jets played anyone else at QB, their offense looked better. It's just a shame to see a high draft pick completely mismanaged my both sides. I hope Wilson learns from this and builds a decent career for himself, and I also hope that this is a cautionary tale for other teams when they're drafting a QB in the first round
2 years ago: Zach Milfson
Now: Zach Bumson
He was setup to fail and his confidence has been shattered
Mike White, same line, played way better. Sadly. We were hopeful.
I hope he flourishes in a new location.
Well, where do you start with this topic? First, the Jets for years have lacked the offensive minded coaches to properly develop a competent quarterback. Most Jets head coaches have been specialized on the defensive side of the ball, guys such as Mangini, Ryan, Bowles, Herm, and Saleh. When they did hire Adam Gase, well, who knows. That hire was a bizarre disaster from the press conference to the Sam Darnold "Ghost" game but this is the Jets we're talking about. During his brief tenure with the J-E-T-S, Jets Jets ,Jets Zach was mired with poor coaching, immaturity, and woeful inconsistency. He had absolutely no touch on his passes usually a byproduct of his below average throwing mechanics. He also never seemed mentally invested in his craft. He never was able to perform under pressure on and off the field. Zach is Johnny Manziel 2.0.
Zach Wilson stunk but good god did the Jets murder him. That last game against Miami was embarrassing. Every play in that 2nd quarter they had him turn his back to the defense for a fake handoff just get smashed the instant he turned around. Brutal, like dude I'm on the couch and I could see the play coming, come on.
I want to know if you see similarities between Jordan Travis and Jordan Love!
Wilson had no chance with the jets. They had nothing around him to help him
Defensive HC with young QB usually is a match made in hell. Stroud and Ryans are the exception to the rule, not the norm.
You're aware that QBs are developed by the offensive coordinators, qb coaches, offensive quality control coaches and passing game coordinators and not the defensive HC right?
24 seconds no timeouts
Everything you said, plus mediocre to abysmal O-line play and receivers. Aside from Garret Wilson who has been great, Ty Conklin decent, that’s it. But go back to the Houston gave, and wonder why he couldn’t do it all the time,
Houston runs the same defense system that the Jets run. Zach has practiced against it for three years.
The first thing I noticed in the Houston game was that the line was protecting unusually well.
He had 1 good college year beating up on HS teams ! Overhyped, over-drafted !!
lol… The guy is now breaking down QB’s… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. When you do defensive breakdowns you say “ Some kind of zone”
Zach plays too much like a 12 year old playing madden. Without understanding the defense picking a route they think will work (and is usually deep) and just try to snap the ball and wait it out instead of reading the defense. His progressions actually got slower than when he was in college (they tried to simplify the reads for him like they were at BYU for him and that didn't work at all) I think he had too much hype around him as he was also a bad leader (put up 80 yards total in a full game and his defense held the pats to 3 points all game and lost on a special teams play and when asked if he thinks he let down the defense he said no) I think his brain just doesn't work as fast as most NFL qbs, and it's almost like he can't really see the field
Just a video idea:
go back to the videos where you made takes that were controversial and
reply to the comments
I mean...the team ruined AR12 in 4 plays....
Because he plays nintendo switch and defends 20fps as an acceptable frame rate. He also calls it a console.
Its true bros i cannot tell lies.
Problem was: Million dollar arm, one dollar football IQ!
He also failed because he went to the Jets
Way too early to know if ZW is a bust or not because he’s still very young, plus the jets were a poor QB team, especially since most of his tenure ZW suffered an awful O-line… but then again, ZW was NOT a total disaster, he had several excellent games and several average games…. In fact, ZW had just as many good games as he had bad games…
Great white hype 😂😂😂
He cant read a defense. It was apparent early. Never improved an ounce
because both he and the team deserve eachother
Did you ever play football?
Simply because he sucked
woody j is fail owner of the ny jets
saw every snap he made...he sucks...
Because he sucks
Look, as a BYU alum…who also happens to be from Philly, I’ve watched a bit more football than the average BYU fan, and also have a much higher tendency to hate our own players. Anyways, I was screaming about Zach’s horrific pocket presence under pressure before he left. The insanely inaccurate dump offs you saw in the NFL (where he would miss a wide-open 5-10 yd throw by 3 yards) were also an issue in college.
Zach’s level of competition was also a little weird. Generally speaking, BYU faces, excellent competition, but the Covid year, BYU was scheduling anyone who was willing to play them. Naturally, BYU looks really good against bad teams that year.