Thank you, Brendan, for saying all the things out loud. Your moral clarity is a gift not just to Israel, not just to the Jews, but to humanity. Thanks, Noam, for this conversation! 🙏🙏
Brendan O'Neill is consistently wrong. His career strategy is to latch onto controversy and throw some platitude-shaped bones at the most rabid dog in the room. I wonder what is the name of the most rabid dog in this, so-called, comedy room?
Brilliant guy! Brendan you’re moral, intelligent and give us hope. As a Jewess , you and Douglas have uplifted my spirits in these dark days. A missile landed next to my house this year.
Thank you for this conversation. I really appreciate O'Neill's courage and clarity. Apropos Crisis of Civs, it would be nice to see you challenging Dan Schueftan on the matter.
@@jennybravo7019 Then you're lost. Sorry to say. I don't blame you. Nearly every major media outlet is not going to explain the full story, especially if you're on the left. If you're on social media, then the social pressure is enormous. I think it's unfortunate... But the truth is, if you're STILL seeing a genocide despite a year's time and plenty of verifiable facts (even from mainstream news), then you've lost objectivity. I hope you don't hurt anyone. Or advocate for anyone to be hurt. God bless and hope you find your way
@@SHope-rq1hcthe international criminal court and the international court of justice and all of worlds human rights groups, along with the UN have ruled that there is genocide being committed and arrest warrants are now issued to Netanyahu. Even Haaretz News in Israel reported on all the war crimes and current crimes against humanity Israel is committing and now Netanyahu is telling the Israeli gov to boycott and censor Haaretz. The state of Israel and Zionism has been revealed as the psychopathic genocidal colonial maniacal political ideology that it is and always has been.
6:24 This is awful reasoning. If everyone felt the same way he did, those positions would necessarily end up in the hands of people who DO support the fascist behaviour. He's saying "anyone in a government position with a recognised fascist is necessarily themselves a fascist". This is silly.
equivalent dishonesty? not even close. skepticism is important. but, one doesn't have to forget a distinction between deception (famine, starvation, genocide, etc) as s.o.p. & a presentation that attempts to adhere to the facts (with sometimes damaging pauses as the facts are determined).
"there had to be a different way"? huh? aside from the fact that the casualty figure includes combines combatants & non-combatants, there was no way to predict that hamas wouldn't, at some point, surrender & release the hostages, and, thereby, end hostilities, with casualties limited to 5k, 10k or 20k.
The palastinian grievances should lie with one islam. Two their leaders and three the west and Russia who fuelled and funded the whole 'palastinian cause' and their leaders since 1947. Also lastly they should also blame the old mufti of jerusalem who was the leading architect of what came to pass post ww2 vis a vis the Palestinians
Did Noam see some serious footage beyond the very mild 47 mins film that IDF exposed in a limited way? that's Disney movie level compared to the overall footage evidence. It's not "just like what you see in films" as Noam claims. The full footage contains stuff that has never yet (and I believe will never be) seen in the most horrible horror films.
To Noam: there is an estimated 50K registered terrorists in Gaza in the variety of recognized terror groups in Gaza, e.g. Hamas, PIJ, to mention the largest ones. There is no excess of deaths going on by Israel! If anything it's the unprecedented smallest toll ever in history. Unfortunately, the self-blaming, self-hating, apologetic and baseless rhetoric of Noam is misleading and unhealthy, and frankly really difficult to listen to.
There were about 400 women were killed on October 7. IDF and the israeli police have yet to put a name on a rape victim. How many women were raped on October 7? Give me an estimate.
690 civilians died on October 7 due to a crossfire between Hamas and IDF. We can estimate 350 killed by Hamas bullet and 350 killed by IDF bullets. The total full report has yet to come out. 350 civilians killed? Well Israel has killed 400+ Palestinian civilians between January 1st and October 6.
I believe no credible evidence corroborating even one rape has been proffered. You seem to be enlightened. Where do you get ypur information on Oct 7th?
@bryanmurray9846 It's estimated 400 women soldiers and civilians were killed on October 7. Civilians were mostly killed in a crossfire between Hamas and IDF. However Israel has yet to give an estimate of the number raped. Why the delay?
I don't need his opinion after I got acquainted with Kamala's company. She wasn't smart, she wasn't honest, she didn't look like she suited for to become a President. Just like Trump is not suitable for this position. I'm sorry...
14:20 - why does this affect not only Israel but western civilization? Because the response to Oct 7th has shown how deeply people in "the West" need and crave identity, so much so that they are willing make Jihadist propaganda a big part of it. But why? I see people protesting and as an Israeli I ask myself, why are they not being more critical? can they not see they are spewing male-honor and chauvinistic rhetoric, never mind AS? do they not care they are ignorant? One explanation to this willful ignorance is that the conflict is very complicated and its history at least a century old, so that's a barrier for some. And of course, ignorance is not missing on the pro-Israel side, but it's far less predominant imho. To me these were not a sufficient answer to explain the scale of this cognitive dissonance, so I asked myself what my psychologist taught me many years ago - she suggested I ask what is the psychological profit (of staying ignorant)? And then it occurred to me, it's an identity ritual. People form their identity by saying and believing "Israel is evil" and by going to Jihadist rallies, an identity pilgrimage of sort, identity is their profit! Much has been written about the crisis of meaning and identity in the west, from Nietzsche and Kirkegaard to Douglas Murray, and it occurs to me these new rituals are how the new religion worships. That woke-ism or some elements of progressivism are a form of new religion is also, of course, nothing new, but seeing the protests and rhetoric in this light really made a lot of sense to me, religions have rituals and myths and here a new rituals and mythology are being created in front of our eyes. For one, it explains the cognitive dissonance very well, people stay ignorant because they fear (or know deep down) that if they let critical thinking in the ritual will no longer work, they will not get the identity high they're used to. So, they let in only the information they want, and I believe this is largely unconscious. So, to answer the question (that I was not asked): It's important to western civilization because the response to Oct 7th shows that people crave and want identity and the West's failure to provide rituals and mythology to fulfill this need is causing people to desperately look for it elsewhere, anywhere, even in dangerous suicidal places like Jihadist propaganda.
How do you square the absolute blatant violations of the 4th Geneva Convention for many years that Israel as a signatory and ratifier party must abide by, and various other parts of customary international law with this is any way being about "western civilization" and not Israel?
@@FlyingVolvo By people believing what they want to - a-priory - and thus not thinking critically. Let's take undisputed numbers: 45K dead in Gaza - this by Hamas' own estimate 16K of these are combatants according to US estimate (Israel estimate 20K) that's 3 civilians to every 1 combatant - in one of the most densely populated areas of the world and with terrorists who actively and by own admission hide behind and under civilians. Even if we say US estimate is wrong, we can assume only 10K are Hamas combatants just to make a worse-case scenario for ourselves to remove any doubt, that's 4.5 to 1 Now of course, every civilian death is a tragedy, in particular of children, but can you see that something doesn't add up? Even by Hamas own numbers and taking worst case estimates. A more honest calculation not accepting Hamas for their word and factoring in a few thousand dead from natural causes over the course over a year - would bring us closer to 2:1 - but it's good to take the worst case and show how even that is not consistent with Israel targeting civilians. And we can observe the civilian deaths in this conflict are actually remarkably low - in fact, considering the location and conditions in which this war takes place, it indicates the exact opposite. So, we have all these so-called reports on one side - which are opinions or analysis of people saying Israel is doing X and Y (infringing on Geneva conventions, targeting civilians, genocide, etc) - but the numbers contradict this, and numbers are from Hamas itself. The cognitive dissonance is not wanting to see this and ask the questions that will come after - because it will ruin the nice feeling of being a moral person every time someone rages about Israel (aka the identify ritual). Very similar to how most people don't like to hear that separating trash into color coded trash bin doesn't really help save the environment.
@@AvnerSenderowicz The 4th Geneva Convention has nothing to do with numbers of X amount of people having been killed. It's got far more to do with for example the legal obligations that Israel has as a occupying power like not allowing population transfers or annexation of territory.
@@FlyingVolvo Yes, my mistake, I am sorry. The short answer is that this a legitimate criticism of Israel. Of course, there are answers to this criticism - like the fact that the conventions envision that wars end, however the war in this region are never ending, creating a situation where Israel cannot give the disputed areas to Palestinian state, not for lack of trying mind you, nor can it completely take over and annex 2m, largely hostile, Palestinians. This would be national suicide. But yeah, things are complicated, and Israel is certainly not without faults, that's totally valid criticism - assuming this is what you mean. But if someone goes on to suggest this makes it OK to commit terror against Israel and Israeli civilians - that would be the cognitive dissonance I was talking about.
How does this conversation work exactly, do they pass the single brain cell back and forth when they're speaking or is it sort of divided up ahead of time
I'm Jewish, I support free speech and Israel, and though not thrilled about it, Trump is the correct choice for both. Kamala is on record supporting censorship of social media and is very wishy washy on Israel. Plus, people around her support the Islamic Regime holding the people of Iran hostage.
1:10 - Noam I think you just need to compare it to other urban combats, that's the best argument. Plus I think one of the most shocking things about this conflict (and no one talks about it) is that, unlike so many other conflicts, is that no one in the entire world allowed the civilians to leave Gaza. They essentially forced israel to contain them and deal with it - which is another one of those double, tripple standards. Remember when millions of Ukrainans fled Ukraine when the war started? or Syrians? Why didn't anyone take the Gazan's in??? I'm sure a lot of them would want to leave
Can’t believe how Noam trivializes the Nakba. Absolutely no empathy for Palestinians. If the same thing happened to any other group of people he would be sickened at someone trying to describe it so callously. People being violently (in many cases murderously) forced from their home because of who they are is heart sinkingly tragic.
@@sek3ymisek3ymi I absolutely do. I’ve read a lot of primary and secondary sources related to the Nakba. Israelis used to justify it by saying the Arabs fled under orders of Arab generals. When that was proven categorically and unequivocally false by the new historians like Benny Morris, the denialism kicked in and they clung to that propaganda lie for decades, until recently. It seems like the narrative now is “Ok fine they were violently expelled, but it was justified because Arabs are savages”.
To have sympathy for Palestinians who support Hamas? Where are all the "innocent Palestinians" ?How many of them helped to release the hostages????? NO one.
For sure it was a tragedy, but it is something that happan in war, people leave the fighting zone, and the Palestinians have a BIG responsibility for the beginning of this war (actually the only responsibility) Imagine what would have happened if the arabs had won the war, I'm quite sure we would not talk about a Nakba of the jews, more like the second holocaust.
Not really. if you look deeper into the Nakba, and look into the Arabic version of it - you'll see that because of the attack the 5 surrounding Arabic countries planned, they ASKED the Arabs living in Israel to leave, to not be killed as well. Many Arabs stayed. They still live in Israel and they can testify this story. But I am pretty sure that you never heve been to Israel to begin with. Studying the material helps before you speak out.
On the Nakba according to Benny Morris 80,000 Palestinians were actually forced out of their homes by force.Another 600,000 left partly listening to radio broadcasts encouraging them to seek safety not imagining they would lose but mainly just to get out of the way of the fighting.An equal number of Jews were removed after being looted of property and citizenship (and violence) from Arab countries including places like Baghdad in Iraq which was 25% Jewish before Israel's founding
Interesting watching someone who is so right on one issue but then lose all his logic and honesty when it comes to Trump because his interest is aligned Makes me question the things and people I believe in. Biases is a strong flaw in human psyche
Trump is a psychopathic fascist pushing a supremacist ideology just like Zionism is a psychopathic fascist ideology pushing ethno supremacy. Make no mistake, Trump is a true Zionist just like his father. You’re suffering cognitive dissonance because you want to believe that you share an ideology (Zionism) that Trump shares with you. Yall are brainwashed
the guest is amazing but Noam keeps saying BASELESS NONSENSE. Whats an example of something that Israel claimed happened, but turned out to not really happen??Maybe Noam just relies on rumors rather than on official verified sources of information??
There were many such claims in fact: 40 babies murdered, babies beheaded, babies put in the ovens, a pregnant woman with her belly cut, 10 people including children with their hands cuffed shot in their heads in the kibbutz dining room (this lie was actually aired by the officer Barak Hiram, who himself gave an order to fire at the house with 13 Israeli hostages, killing them). Noam tries actually to be objective (he doesn't always succeed- he has some strange penchant for the despicable Netanyahu).
@@jennybravo7019Also, lies lies about rapes perpetrated by Hamas and lies of omission. To this day most commentators, The Grayzone excluded, dont contents with evidence pointing to the claim that hundreds of israelis were killed as a consequence of the Hannibal directive
@@GoatHubDotCom it'd be different if the host wasn't just a close minded asshole but alas he is, so this is just a man screaming into his echo chamber and everyone else being like "omg ur so right!!!"
This is a completely Trumpy podcast. They constantly bend over backwards excusing that guy's terrible behavior and having guests like this idiot who thinks Trump is an irreverent breath of fresh air. The worst part is rather than acknowledging their stance, they take the gutless spineless position and say "I'm not voting" etc. That attitude is, in my view, the lowest of all.
I’m sorry, I love the program, and I Probably will agree on his stand on Jihad and Israel, but the amount of garbage coming if his mouth about Biden and Kamala… don’t do that if you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s all speculation that coming from his own biases… if that the way he is on the show, how can we trust his book?
I’m so tired of the hyperbole, and you should have called him out on some of the absurdities. Anyone who spends any time on YT or Twitter can “show” him 1000s of Trump voters claiming Js deserve everything done to them on 10:07, and more.
I love this show because of Noam. He is very articulate on Israel & question of Antisemitism, I will probably forever watch him. Yet, I do think it's odd that Noam sees through the mutual legitimization game of today's protofascist influencer class so easily yet in his show their catchphrases like "wokeism", conspiracy-aligned tropes like a scheming "elite" & the obsessive overemphasis of the trans-issue are bandied about and taken as writ constantly by him and the friends he invites..
@@timidtom “Wokeism” is simply a place-holder for “post-modernist, post-colonialist, Marxism-adjacent ideology,” which is pretty unwieldy. I’m with you on the whole “elites” thing, given that massive numbers of kids who attend what are essentially open-enrollment universities have embraced this ideology. I’m likewise obsessed with the trans-issue. I would argue for being obsessed with it because it represents the movement of wokeism out of the academic/theoretical realm into the physical realm. Bad ideas can be tolerated. Bad actions cannot. Children are being mutilated, their fertility and ability to experience orgasm stolen from them. It’s a bridge way too far.
The Left didn't say it's good to judge people by their skin color. The Left said to not ignore skin color because there's a social reality difference based on skin color and when we ignore this we don't understand how society operates unfairly based on skin color. It's like being told to not stop making a big deal about being Jewish, while the world is antisemitic and Jews are extremely vulnerable right now.
But I think in the dumbing down process of mass dissemination it's turned into something like the 1619 project, i.e. making one's racial identity indelible - something akin to original sin; once guilty, always guilty. Similarly: once maligned; always maligned. Frankly, something that worries me is how popular Palestinian talking points/tactics are with certain lefty African American groups. I can imagine some homegrown militia groups starting based on the same basic principle of perpetual revenge.
I think it's more like those of us who are white benefit from what happened historically. It's not our fault that history played out this way but we have certain advantages as a result. It's nothing to feel guilty or ashamed of, just to be mindful and try to make things more fair. Unfortunately the conversations around this haven't had the right amount of time and space for people to truly listen to one another. And it's difficult to hear when filled with so much reactivity from everyone. I think many Black activists have identified with the Palestinians, equating their experience in South Africa and the U.S. to what Palestinians experience. Unfortunately again there's not enough space for dialogue and understanding. Everyone just wants to fight and join the war rather than build peace.
@@AbstractLaw I think you just said the same thing twice. My point is: you can say that and it's noble and true, but it's not the way the mass audience is interpreting it. Like you said in your second paragraph, too many people speaking over each other, not enough listening or nuance 🤷♀️
Hello from across the pond in Ireland. Brenda O'Neil is clown and a shyster. Boone takes him seriously. Ireland has had a huge surge in British immigrants because Britain is doing so badly since Brexit. They will never admit that a hard Brexit destroyed their country.
Except..."hard Brexit" never happened. Mass immigration into Britain has just increased during the Tories. You're clearly talking out of ignorance. TH-cam Matthew Goodwin mass immigration.
Thank you, Brendan, for saying all the things out loud. Your moral clarity is a gift not just to Israel, not just to the Jews, but to humanity. Thanks, Noam, for this conversation! 🙏🙏
It's a grift for some people, but certainly not humanity.
Brendan O'Neill is consistently wrong.
His career strategy is to latch onto controversy and throw some platitude-shaped bones at the most rabid dog in the room.
I wonder what is the name of the most rabid dog in this, so-called, comedy room?
Thank you to everyone involved in this episode. The more non-Js speaking up with clarity on these obnoxious false narratives, the better.
This conversation is invaluable and more people need to listen to the three of you. Please keep it up. Bravo and Am Yisrael Chai.
Brilliant guy! Brendan you’re moral, intelligent and give us hope. As a Jewess , you and Douglas have uplifted my spirits in these dark days. A missile landed next to my house this year.
He's one of the good grifters.
Thank you for having Brendan O'Neil on the show. Appreciated the interview.
Very good talk, thank you
Thank you for this conversation. I really appreciate O'Neill's courage and clarity. Apropos Crisis of Civs, it would be nice to see you challenging Dan Schueftan on the matter.
Some of my best friends are railing about genocide. I don't think there's any way to turn that narrative back, most people adopted it.
Agree. It's a long road ahead 🤦♀️ All the evidence is there to counter that claim, but it's been adopted by mainstream culture now
@@Itsstuff7328No, unfortunately there is not that much evidence to counter that claim.
@@jennybravo7019 Then you're lost. Sorry to say. I don't blame you. Nearly every major media outlet is not going to explain the full story, especially if you're on the left. If you're on social media, then the social pressure is enormous.
I think it's unfortunate... But the truth is, if you're STILL seeing a genocide despite a year's time and plenty of verifiable facts (even from mainstream news), then you've lost objectivity.
I hope you don't hurt anyone. Or advocate for anyone to be hurt.
God bless and hope you find your way
@@jennybravo7019 okay jenny, i bet you are super fun at parties, and also an expert on all things middle east.
@@SHope-rq1hcthe international criminal court and the international court of justice and all of worlds human rights groups, along with the UN have ruled that there is genocide being committed and arrest warrants are now issued to Netanyahu. Even Haaretz News in Israel reported on all the war crimes and current crimes against humanity Israel is committing and now Netanyahu is telling the Israeli gov to boycott and censor Haaretz. The state of Israel and Zionism has been revealed as the psychopathic genocidal colonial maniacal political ideology that it is and always has been.
True enough about Brendan O’Neill and Douglas Murray. Bravo to the two of them.
JFC
Love Brendan. Thank you for being our voice. The Jews and Israelis have so few helping us and fighting for our right to be here.
6:24 This is awful reasoning. If everyone felt the same way he did, those positions would necessarily end up in the hands of people who DO support the fascist behaviour. He's saying "anyone in a government position with a recognised fascist is necessarily themselves a fascist". This is silly.
Bravo! Thank you all for this brilliant conversation, balanced and intelligent.
Thank you Brendan.
equivalent dishonesty? not even close.
skepticism is important. but, one doesn't have to forget a distinction between deception (famine, starvation, genocide, etc) as s.o.p. & a presentation that attempts to adhere to the facts (with sometimes damaging pauses as the facts are determined).
"there had to be a different way"? huh?
aside from the fact that the casualty figure includes combines combatants & non-combatants, there was no way to predict that hamas wouldn't, at some point, surrender & release the hostages, and, thereby, end hostilities, with casualties limited to 5k, 10k or 20k.
This woman is insufferable
Thank you for interviewing the amazing and brilliant Brendan O’Neill!
Periel was on fire on this. Even the ad drop that caught me off guard.
The palastinian grievances should lie with one islam. Two their leaders and three the west and Russia who fuelled and funded the whole 'palastinian cause' and their leaders since 1947. Also lastly they should also blame the old mufti of jerusalem who was the leading architect of what came to pass post ww2 vis a vis the Palestinians
Did Noam see some serious footage beyond the very mild 47 mins film that IDF exposed in a limited way? that's Disney movie level compared to the overall footage evidence. It's not "just like what you see in films" as Noam claims. The full footage contains stuff that has never yet (and I believe will never be) seen in the most horrible horror films.
Why don't you post links to it then?
Make Tel Aviv look like Gaza. For a start…
Spot on!
To Noam: there is an estimated 50K registered terrorists in Gaza in the variety of recognized terror groups in Gaza, e.g. Hamas, PIJ, to mention the largest ones. There is no excess of deaths going on by Israel! If anything it's the unprecedented smallest toll ever in history. Unfortunately, the self-blaming, self-hating, apologetic and baseless rhetoric of Noam is misleading and unhealthy, and frankly really difficult to listen to.
Apart from the whites, all non-whites believe that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza.
Good chat. Brendan is a good bro. Noam is a good bro.
There were about 400 women were killed on October 7. IDF and the israeli police have yet to put a name on a rape victim. How many women were raped on October 7? Give me an estimate.
Wow, you are beyond ignorant. Go do your homework. There are MANY videos made by Hamas. There is lots of proof. You are just an antisemite.
690 civilians died on October 7 due to a crossfire between Hamas and IDF. We can estimate 350 killed by Hamas bullet and 350 killed by IDF bullets. The total full report has yet to come out. 350 civilians killed? Well Israel has killed 400+ Palestinian civilians between January 1st and October 6.
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Theres compelling evidence that Israel killed hundreds not by crossfire by the Hannibal directive.
I believe no credible evidence corroborating even one rape has been proffered. You seem to be enlightened. Where do you get ypur information on Oct 7th?
@bryanmurray9846 It's estimated 400 women soldiers and civilians were killed on October 7. Civilians were mostly killed in a crossfire between Hamas and IDF. However Israel has yet to give an estimate of the number raped. Why the delay?
When people say Madam VP Kamala is unintelligent, you lose me. A prosecutor, AG, and a senator of a state is unintelligent? Please
I don't need his opinion after I got acquainted with Kamala's company. She wasn't smart, she wasn't honest, she didn't look like she suited for to become a President. Just like Trump is not suitable for this position. I'm sorry...
14:20 - why does this affect not only Israel but western civilization?
Because the response to Oct 7th has shown how deeply people in "the West" need and crave identity, so much so that they are willing make Jihadist propaganda a big part of it.
But why?
I see people protesting and as an Israeli I ask myself, why are they not being more critical? can they not see they are spewing male-honor and chauvinistic rhetoric, never mind AS? do they not care they are ignorant?
One explanation to this willful ignorance is that the conflict is very complicated and its history at least a century old, so that's a barrier for some.
And of course, ignorance is not missing on the pro-Israel side, but it's far less predominant imho.
To me these were not a sufficient answer to explain the scale of this cognitive dissonance, so I asked myself what my psychologist taught me many years ago - she suggested I ask what is the psychological profit (of staying ignorant)?
And then it occurred to me, it's an identity ritual.
People form their identity by saying and believing "Israel is evil" and by going to Jihadist rallies, an identity pilgrimage of sort, identity is their profit!
Much has been written about the crisis of meaning and identity in the west, from Nietzsche and Kirkegaard to Douglas Murray, and it occurs to me these new rituals are how the new religion worships.
That woke-ism or some elements of progressivism are a form of new religion is also, of course, nothing new, but seeing the protests and rhetoric in this light really made a lot of sense to me, religions have rituals and myths and here a new rituals and mythology are being created in front of our eyes.
For one, it explains the cognitive dissonance very well, people stay ignorant because they fear (or know deep down) that if they let critical thinking in the ritual will no longer work, they will not get the identity high they're used to. So, they let in only the information they want, and I believe this is largely unconscious.
So, to answer the question (that I was not asked):
It's important to western civilization because the response to Oct 7th shows that people crave and want identity and the West's failure to provide rituals and mythology to fulfill this need is causing people to desperately look for it elsewhere, anywhere, even in dangerous suicidal places like Jihadist propaganda.
How do you square the absolute blatant violations of the 4th Geneva Convention for many years that Israel as a signatory and ratifier party must abide by, and various other parts of customary international law with this is any way being about "western civilization" and not Israel?
@@FlyingVolvo By people believing what they want to - a-priory - and thus not thinking critically.
Let's take undisputed numbers:
45K dead in Gaza - this by Hamas' own estimate
16K of these are combatants according to US estimate (Israel estimate 20K)
that's 3 civilians to every 1 combatant - in one of the most densely populated areas of the world and with terrorists who actively and by own admission hide behind and under civilians.
Even if we say US estimate is wrong, we can assume only 10K are Hamas combatants just to make a worse-case scenario for ourselves to remove any doubt, that's 4.5 to 1
Now of course, every civilian death is a tragedy, in particular of children, but can you see that something doesn't add up?
Even by Hamas own numbers and taking worst case estimates.
A more honest calculation not accepting Hamas for their word and factoring in a few thousand dead from natural causes over the course over a year - would bring us closer to 2:1 - but it's good to take the worst case and show how even that is not consistent with Israel targeting civilians.
And we can observe the civilian deaths in this conflict are actually remarkably low - in fact, considering the location and conditions in which this war takes place, it indicates the exact opposite.
So, we have all these so-called reports on one side - which are opinions or analysis of people saying Israel is doing X and Y (infringing on Geneva conventions, targeting civilians, genocide, etc) - but the numbers contradict this, and numbers are from Hamas itself.
The cognitive dissonance is not wanting to see this and ask the questions that will come after - because it will ruin the nice feeling of being a moral person every time someone rages about Israel (aka the identify ritual).
Very similar to how most people don't like to hear that separating trash into color coded trash bin doesn't really help save the environment.
@@AvnerSenderowicz The 4th Geneva Convention has nothing to do with numbers of X amount of people having been killed. It's got far more to do with for example the legal obligations that Israel has as a occupying power like not allowing population transfers or annexation of territory.
@@FlyingVolvo Yes, my mistake, I am sorry.
The short answer is that this a legitimate criticism of Israel.
Of course, there are answers to this criticism - like the fact that the conventions envision that wars end, however the war in this region are never ending, creating a situation where Israel cannot give the disputed areas to Palestinian state, not for lack of trying mind you, nor can it completely take over and annex 2m, largely hostile, Palestinians. This would be national suicide.
But yeah, things are complicated, and Israel is certainly not without faults, that's totally valid criticism - assuming this is what you mean.
But if someone goes on to suggest this makes it OK to commit terror against Israel and Israeli civilians - that would be the cognitive dissonance I was talking about.
Why did Kelley serve? No!! To be an adult in the room!
How does this conversation work exactly, do they pass the single brain cell back and forth when they're speaking or is it sort of divided up ahead of time
Missing your brain cell?
If Brendan is worried about what the establishment does in power, he should be horrified about what Trump does in power.
Agreed. But they don’t care. He thinks Jan 6 wasn’t a big deal. No cause for worries here. But BLM? Crisis.
Hypocrisy.
Saying he’d vote Trump completely de-legitimizes this discussion.
Agreed . Trump is the elite and he is an insurrectionist
It's truly a pathetic grift by everyone on the channel.
I'm Jewish, I support free speech and Israel, and though not thrilled about it, Trump is the correct choice for both. Kamala is on record supporting censorship of social media and is very wishy washy on Israel. Plus, people around her support the Islamic Regime holding the people of Iran hostage.
Explain? I disagree and I'm a Democrat.
Dworman is just a virtue-signaling child. Does he not know about the record-low civilian to combatant casualty ratio in this conflict?
1:01 - Noam's wrong - women's march wasn't pre Trump - it was right after his inauguration and a response to Trump's victory
1:10 - Noam I think you just need to compare it to other urban combats, that's the best argument. Plus I think one of the most shocking things about this conflict (and no one talks about it) is that, unlike so many other conflicts, is that no one in the entire world allowed the civilians to leave Gaza. They essentially forced israel to contain them and deal with it - which is another one of those double, tripple standards. Remember when millions of Ukrainans fled Ukraine when the war started? or Syrians? Why didn't anyone take the Gazan's in??? I'm sure a lot of them would want to leave
This guy is gong idiot! Trump??! Unbelievable
Is biases
When your interest is aligned you become blind on that issue
@@Ashantia35 you should try your remedie
*to stop
More right wing nonsense
Drone
Don’t know what that means but ok
Are we surprised?
How talking against racism towards Jews is right wing? Seems that you (like the people who call themselves left) is confused
@@krigerl77 its all the trump love and more
When is your book coming out on audible?
Can’t believe how Noam trivializes the Nakba. Absolutely no empathy for Palestinians. If the same thing happened to any other group of people he would be sickened at someone trying to describe it so callously. People being violently (in many cases murderously) forced from their home because of who they are is heart sinkingly tragic.
You don’t have an understanding of the circumstances. Go read more
@@sek3ymisek3ymi I absolutely do. I’ve read a lot of primary and secondary sources related to the Nakba. Israelis used to justify it by saying the Arabs fled under orders of Arab generals. When that was proven categorically and unequivocally false by the new historians like Benny Morris, the denialism kicked in and they clung to that propaganda lie for decades, until recently. It seems like the narrative now is “Ok fine they were violently expelled, but it was justified because Arabs are savages”.
To have sympathy for Palestinians who support Hamas? Where are all the "innocent Palestinians" ?How many of them helped to release the hostages????? NO one.
For sure it was a tragedy, but it is something that happan in war, people leave the fighting zone, and the Palestinians have a BIG responsibility for the beginning of this war (actually the only responsibility) Imagine what would have happened if the arabs had won the war, I'm quite sure we would not talk about a Nakba of the jews, more like the second holocaust.
Not really. if you look deeper into the Nakba, and look into the Arabic version of it - you'll see that because of the attack the 5 surrounding Arabic countries planned, they ASKED the Arabs living in Israel to leave, to not be killed as well. Many Arabs stayed. They still live in Israel and they can testify this story. But I am pretty sure that you never heve been to Israel to begin with. Studying the material helps before you speak out.
On the Nakba according to Benny Morris 80,000 Palestinians were actually forced out of their homes by force.Another 600,000 left partly listening to radio broadcasts encouraging them to seek safety not imagining they would lose but mainly just to get out of the way of the fighting.An equal number of Jews were removed after being looted of property and citizenship (and violence) from Arab countries including places like Baghdad in Iraq which was 25% Jewish before Israel's founding
No. Morris numbers are something like 250k driven out (at least, I think). You should double check this
No you are wrong . Go back and check your facts
Good man
Interesting watching someone who is so right on one issue but then lose all his logic and honesty when it comes to Trump because his interest is aligned
Makes me question the things and people I believe in.
Biases is a strong flaw in human psyche
Absolutely! Mind blowing. They need to pair him with Sam Harris
Trump is a psychopathic fascist pushing a supremacist ideology just like Zionism is a psychopathic fascist ideology pushing ethno supremacy. Make no mistake, Trump is a true Zionist just like his father. You’re suffering cognitive dissonance because you want to believe that you share an ideology (Zionism) that Trump shares with you. Yall are brainwashed
Good job.. except for those ten seconds when Noam said our side is no more honest than their side.
Cmon dude
the guest is amazing but Noam keeps saying BASELESS NONSENSE. Whats an example of something that Israel claimed happened, but turned out to not really happen??Maybe Noam just relies on rumors rather than on official verified sources of information??
40 beheaded babies come to mind.
There were many such claims in fact: 40 babies murdered, babies beheaded, babies put in the ovens, a pregnant woman with her belly cut, 10 people including children with their hands cuffed shot in their heads in the kibbutz dining room (this lie was actually aired by the officer Barak Hiram, who himself gave an order to fire at the house with 13 Israeli hostages, killing them). Noam tries actually to be objective (he doesn't always succeed- he has some strange penchant for the despicable Netanyahu).
@@jennybravo7019Also, lies lies about rapes perpetrated by Hamas and lies of omission. To this day most commentators, The Grayzone excluded, dont contents with evidence pointing to the claim that hundreds of israelis were killed as a consequence of the Hannibal directive
oh look an hour and a half of not comedy from the Comedy Cellar, cause this is the content I'm subscribed for
You will listen to this Zionist shilling and you wil accept it!
So, you're an antisemite basically? I mean...the videos have titles. You can click on the ones you want.
This long form interview podcast is a regular thing so you must be new here
This is a podcast not a comedy channel
@@GoatHubDotCom it'd be different if the host wasn't just a close minded asshole but alas he is, so this is just a man screaming into his echo chamber and everyone else being like "omg ur so right!!!"
This is a completely Trumpy podcast. They constantly bend over backwards excusing that guy's terrible behavior and having guests like this idiot who thinks Trump is an irreverent breath of fresh air. The worst part is rather than acknowledging their stance, they take the gutless spineless position and say "I'm not voting" etc. That attitude is, in my view, the lowest of all.
I’m sorry, I love the program, and I Probably will agree on his stand on Jihad and Israel, but the amount of garbage coming if his mouth about Biden and Kamala… don’t do that if you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s all speculation that coming from his own biases… if that the way he is on the show, how can we trust his book?
Which part exactly?
It's incomprehensible how otherwise an intelligent person can declare that he would have voted for Trump. I think I prefer Sam Harris and Bill Maher.
I’m so tired of the hyperbole, and you should have called him out on some of the absurdities. Anyone who spends any time on YT or Twitter can “show” him 1000s of Trump voters claiming Js deserve everything done to them on 10:07, and more.
I do circle back to that very point later, and he concedes it.
@@comedycellarclips Yes, you did. I didn’t watch long enough. Apologies, though he still hedged a bit…
I love this show because of Noam. He is very articulate on Israel & question of Antisemitism, I will probably forever watch him. Yet, I do think it's odd that Noam sees through the mutual legitimization game of today's protofascist influencer class so easily yet in his show their catchphrases like "wokeism", conspiracy-aligned tropes like a scheming "elite" & the obsessive overemphasis of the trans-issue are bandied about and taken as writ constantly by him and the friends he invites..
@@timidtom “Wokeism” is simply a place-holder for “post-modernist, post-colonialist, Marxism-adjacent ideology,” which is pretty unwieldy. I’m with you on the whole “elites” thing, given that massive numbers of kids who attend what are essentially open-enrollment universities have embraced this ideology.
I’m likewise obsessed with the trans-issue. I would argue for being obsessed with it because it represents the movement of wokeism out of the academic/theoretical realm into the physical realm. Bad ideas can be tolerated. Bad actions cannot. Children are being mutilated, their fertility and ability to experience orgasm stolen from them. It’s a bridge way too far.
The Left didn't say it's good to judge people by their skin color. The Left said to not ignore skin color because there's a social reality difference based on skin color and when we ignore this we don't understand how society operates unfairly based on skin color. It's like being told to not stop making a big deal about being Jewish, while the world is antisemitic and Jews are extremely vulnerable right now.
But I think in the dumbing down process of mass dissemination it's turned into something like the 1619 project, i.e. making one's racial identity indelible - something akin to original sin; once guilty, always guilty. Similarly: once maligned; always maligned. Frankly, something that worries me is how popular Palestinian talking points/tactics are with certain lefty African American groups. I can imagine some homegrown militia groups starting based on the same basic principle of perpetual revenge.
I think it's more like those of us who are white benefit from what happened historically. It's not our fault that history played out this way but we have certain advantages as a result. It's nothing to feel guilty or ashamed of, just to be mindful and try to make things more fair. Unfortunately the conversations around this haven't had the right amount of time and space for people to truly listen to one another. And it's difficult to hear when filled with so much reactivity from everyone.
I think many Black activists have identified with the Palestinians, equating their experience in South Africa and the U.S. to what Palestinians experience. Unfortunately again there's not enough space for dialogue and understanding. Everyone just wants to fight and join the war rather than build peace.
@@AbstractLaw I think you just said the same thing twice. My point is: you can say that and it's noble and true, but it's not the way the mass audience is interpreting it. Like you said in your second paragraph, too many people speaking over each other, not enough listening or nuance 🤷♀️
Would you consider having Mearsheimer on?
why do you want another academic fraud on?
WHY????????
@@lesweizman388He name checked him so I was curious if he would consider having him on, not that I personally want him on.
If he would agree to come on that would be fantastic! Please have him on!
Have Gideon Levy on your show.
Yes! Bring the prince of whataboutism
Hello from across the pond in Ireland. Brenda O'Neil is clown and a shyster. Boone takes him seriously. Ireland has had a huge surge in British immigrants because Britain is doing so badly since Brexit. They will never admit that a hard Brexit destroyed their country.
Except..."hard Brexit" never happened. Mass immigration into Britain has just increased during the Tories. You're clearly talking out of ignorance. TH-cam Matthew Goodwin mass immigration.