it seems to me that your precise testing methods need to be refined, as does your informational data base on how things work (drill bits) in the real world. Drills DRIFT. If you doubt it check the machinest handbook.
Doesn't matter one way or another as FX barrels are not drilled in the first place. They are made from tubing that is then pressed to form and then pressed by FX to form the riffling. . No drilling. KnifeMaker
It is sad to see a guy try to get likes and follows in this way... The guys down in Africa could teach you quite a few things - the first being humility, the second being how to shoot and the third being not blaming the tools for the result - especially not when they are accepted throughout the fraternity as being some of the best tools money can buy... Having had the priviledge of spending time in conversation with - and on the range - with several world champions "from down in Africa" I KNOW the skill and knowledge these guys bring to the table - and here is the newsflash - not one ever said that Lothar Walther is crap or only FX is good - and Matt never said that either. He pointed out the technical specifications and their effects in different disciplines, which means pick the appropriate tool for the job - and your budget. And guess what...? When we shoot there are plenty of FX's next to Walthers, next to Prophets and Priests and Avengers and Leviathans.... Nobody talking down to anybody my friend - you need to do a lot of soul-searching as regards your motives for this vid... But don't feel bad - you ever come down to Africa, you can drop into any range and come give us a shooting lesson...we will even buy you a few beers and listen listen attentively to your wisdoms...😉
As much as I respect Matt for his contribution to the airguns, it must be acknowledged that Matt has financial interests with FX since he is engaged in developing the new innovations. Any criticism must be be viewed on merit and checked / tested on the bench if that were something to contest against. Simply blaming a man for bringing out a point ain't any kind of humility be it down under or south Africa or Mars. The guy bought a point to the table, ask him and verify on a bench.
Id like to see you prove your claims. Also, when you need a truly concentric hole in metal you dont finish it with a drill bit, you use a center bore. Also funny how Keith Gibson has recorded kills at 250 yards+. Step up to plate. You wander around on your porch and just sound so angry the whole time. The loudest people i find tend to be the most full of it.
Hey your asshole friend Keith won’t take my accuracy challenge I live 100 miles away from him and I told him we can go right up on his channel there and shoot a competition. Any day of the week any of you guys want to shoot a competition With Keith the douche bag Gibson he’s a coward. He’s running and hiding from me. And now he proves what a bitch he is by having you guys come up here and make comments so any of you bitches wanna shoot I’m not far from Keith and I’m always available. I will send you home with your towels between your legs.
I guess the reason why so many of the air rifle competition winners only use FX barrels is because they are so inferior. Mat is a giant compared to you.
But then Matt doesn't group more than 1 shot as he claims it doesnt matter, especially when hunting. A very naive statement by a so called "professional" LOL 🤣
@@AustinJesseJames why do i have to do what you ask or that chris bloke. He's been asked in the past to post videos up of evidence & he runs off like a girlie in hot pants. My videos i take show without any doubt the range I shoot & that i kill my target, not let them hobble off, or make them jump in the air through shock & then claim it was a kill shot. The the about Texas is, the bull shit has spread throughout the USA
@@joshuagibson2520 EXACTLY, to say the first shot matters is a JOKE, whether hunting or not. Very naive comment to make, so out of 5 shots which is the first as surely you only have one first shot. I thought anyone with an ounce of knowhow or intelligence in what makes a marksman & his set up better is CONSISTENCY. Come on guys get to grips with what is correct or not MD FX JJ BS
Per the drill bits, I’m a machinist. Drill bits, even carbide drill bits absolutely flex. The longer they are the greater the chance of it. Applications have to be dialed in perfectly in order for this not to happen. I can easily see this happen in gun drill applications. Per the fx liners, I don’t recall him staying they r perfect. He stated they foul less, are fairly rough when new and polish as u shoot. Impart less damage on the projectile. And are less ammo fuzzy. I’d say that’s pretty true.
Matt Dubber the liar said "all liners are identical" we all know if you share your settings with another rifle with EVERYTHING identical they will shoot completely different. FACT
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 my guess is u could share the barrel with the settings and still not get the same results. There just to many variables from gun to gun. It will probably be a good starting point, but fine tuning is still required.
@@corny155 actually i disagree. The parts are all machined, apparently to very tight tolerances (as they claim). If two identical rifles, using the same projectile, same settings, same location, same user etc. Then they should be pretty close. But I've only heard of one other Impact that shoots aswell as mine. FX & chums just fill people's minds with lies. Take the M3, claimed to be more powerful than the MK2. Not true. The M3 tuned using dual transfer port, slug power kit, obviously larger plenum, heavier hammer in 25cal using slugs gave 89ftlb. My Mk2 produces more than 91ftlb with less modification. They need to be more transparent with the truth
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 Variables in where you are, temperature, humidity all play a part,someone in Colorado at altitude, someone in New York using a M3 same settings 20 degrees difference will have different performance. Lots of varibles involved.
I would really like to see your video on polishing and lapping barrels. A lot of what you say is true, and I’m a FX fan. But, it is true. Im disappointed in some of the products they have put out.
@@AustinJesseJames exactly why he’s ragging. He bought broken fox guns and thought he’d be the worlds best shooter. I can’t stop laughing at his inconsistencies.
I agree. I want to see his lapping and polishing videos. It sounds like he has some good information. At least it's interesting. It will be good to see him shoot targets at 25 to 200 yards. He seems confident that he can produce excellent results. 👍
Are used to be like you I had tons of these guns and they are great with pallets but when you’re shooting slugs they are not even close as accurate as a poly or a Walther button rifled. My problem is I watched Matt Dobre tell all of us how perfect these barrels were how everyone that came off the line was perfect the same and how extremely accurate match grade you couldn’t get any better accuracy. I bought seven barrels seven slug barrels and at 200 yards they’re all over the place with slugs they’re great with pallets I spent over 15,000 on the stuff. You a Huben The guns have two regulators they were the first since 2016 they are extremely adjustable I’m going to do a video on adjusting them. If you get on Andy’s Airgun reviews on TH-cam he shoots a brand new 2021 all the pallets we’re going through the same whole.Please get up there and watch it you’re not gonna believe it and you don’t have to cut the gun and that is with an uncooked barrel. It will shoot slugs just as good I’m getting an inch and a quarter at 200 yards
The Mauser was developed in the 1870s. STILL the best rifle action!!! What does age of design have to do with quality? Your "technique" disqualifies any thing you say.
oh that’s how you do it huh? Boy you are really rude my gosh. Why don’t you watch Matt dubber‘s video on his one year with the FX Panthera. How the hell explain your how terrible the groups are with that he’ll show you and then I’ll also tell you how you got a loosen bolts that normally have to be super tight to hold your barrel in place because if you don’t loosen them if the gun is out in the sun, it twists in your point of impact changes, it’s actually a comedy.
How about that fake competition in Utah? Everybody knows how it works now. 98% of the guns being shot are FX products, so who do you think is gonna win. Do you ever watch do you ever watch the videos from South Africa or anybody else who shoots for iFax and gets paid which they’d rather high but they can’t but they never put groups on paper ever maybe at 50 yards never at 100. And the funny thing is their 50 yard groups are 1 inch those guns are junk
I’m just wondering how perfect that $20 caliper is. I’ve measured LW barrels & got pretty much the same results you have. But I measured mine with a Starrett caliper. Which I trust a whole lot more than a Pittsburgh caliper.
You can't measure barrels with any vernier,every person would get a different reading with a guessometer. you need pin gauges to to any kind of bore measurement at that size.
Doesn't negate the fact that when you push a slug it is loose tight loose tight. Straw barrels are crap. Look at a real bench rest gun barrel, it's like 1/2 inch wall thickness.
@@webreakforsquirrel4201 Perhaps you should watch the Bench Rest Competition videos from last weekend. A well respected guy, won with e best 100yd score including 10 X's , first time ever in the history of the Competition, using an FX Impact Mk2. So, I respectfully agree to disagree
I would take his opinion with a grain of salt. If you look at the first video he made, he say his favorite gun is an FX bobcat, which he himself modified with a liner system. He generaly praise FX guns in that video. Then after the dubber video, he use his same "favorite" gun, to demonstrate how porly made it is. So from one video to another, he seemed to change his opinion.
Matthew Dobre lied about the K-1 he said he couldn’t get it to shoot and maybe so because he stupid I agree with that he probably couldn’t get it to shoot he didn’t know how to work the second regulator and there’s another thing Huben Was the first manufacturer in 2016 to have a gun with two regulators that’s right and both of them are adjustable one has a knob you were just for speed that’s why they are exceptional shoot your 200 yard group with Slugs. But I got a feeling he’ll just run your mouth and not shoot it you got a lot of comments but you don’t do shit shoot that gun 200 yards prove me wrong you better get a really big way to measure that use a big piece of paper
@@amazingairguns6350 Matt Dubber Didn't lie he specifically said his was an early model for one and for two he also said that once he obtained ammo(slugs) from huben it shot well! Not FX slug liner well but it did pretty damn good none the less. He complained about a few quirks mainly safety and reliability but I believe he gave credit where it was due in multiple areas. One very important one for Huben trying to bring slugs to mainstream air guns. Another for using a hammerless design that no one else has been able to pull off in the same manner.
Your talking also about things you Do not know, long holes can drift off, even carbide drills. I think you got issues with FX , no need to bag another persons by name. Also , put your money where your mouth is and go shooting with them at Iowa with your accurate rifle and we will see ....... bet they will NEVER see you there!!!! Why are you so angry?
Indeed drills and reamers drift. They also follow the existing hole. Endmills cut the most true. A boring bar as well, but you can get a conical hole once they flex.
And everybody that shoots for them on TH-cam lies and cheats they never show how many times they miss and they never shoot a group. I have been asking air hunters to put a 200 yard group on paper for us to say and he said he really doesn’t say the reason. Now this is a guy who is also a slug manufacturer and he doesn’t see the reason why he should show how well the groups are. We are dealing with so-called precision airguns from FX but they make a deal when they give you a gun and they pay you that you do not ever shoot groups on paper. The illusion is when you watch these guys in Africa and every shot they take they hit. And I don’t care how accurate your guns with wind you are going to miss all right so how come they never miss
I have to agree with this guy. I had an fx, and it just couldn't hold groups as tight as my edguns at 100+ yards. Once you start shooting long-range, the fx groups just start to open up.
Hi dear sir have you tried bsa r10 0.177 or 0.22 barrels sir if you have used them what do you think about them sir i would be very interested to hear from you soon as try them on TH-cam sir
You have to use bore gage are pin gages to check the bore. A veneer calibers are not the accurate. I have a cnc machining business making parts in tenths. Gage standard temp check is 69 degrees.
That was very interesting and informative. But why choke a refiled barrel even for shooting pellets ? does it have any benefits or is it just to alleviate some other manufacturing process imperfections ?
@@reeseleary4383 you can get barrels through Walther. Walther has a really extensive line of barrels and they have them here in America. They’re about $120-$140. You need to machine it to fit your gun. Machine work is usually $150. If you’re gonna get a barrel, if you’re shooting 100 yards it would definitely be well worth it. You’ll be well under an inch group at 100 yards with a quality barrel. For me it’s all about the first shot. If you can’t make the first shot what good is the gun? You need consistency and precision and accuracy
@@DIY-vv4fu I can’t remember what the twist weight wise. I took, and I leaned the liners on the curb and jumped on him in Bantam Tim, one of my videos. They are truly shitty made barrels.
I’m sorry but you only have to look at what Matt Dubber has achieved using the fx barrels to clearly see this is bollocks. You will get bad batches of mass produced items in everything . Rmac was just won by a .30 fx Slugs get shot accurately out to crazy ranges with Fx . Anyone taking note of this guy over the people actually winning comps and being very successful from the products must be mad .
But Lee, if you have a marathon and Nike pays 85% of the runners to wear Nike shoes, I bet Nike will make it to top 3. Does not make Nike the best shoe. Just means Nike pays the most.
@@MrDirectNL yes FX invest in competitions just like Subaru and Ford in WRC. It's a proven way to A get your products in the public eye. B Competition breeds improvement and innovation.
I wish I watched this video two years ago before I bought the .25cal Impact M3. You are absolutely spot on with your facts. I've had nothing but problems with my Impact M3 liners. I have two,. A heavy 1:18 and a standard 1:24 and both are seriously problematic. They were even replaced after a 27 week wait by Sportsman Gun Centre in the UK and still shooting crap. You've opened my eyes and now know where I'm at. You'd think by now they would have rectified their serious cockup!
I’m sorry to hear that. I went through the same thing. It is very frustrating because I watched Matt Dobbers videos where he showed a precision group. It was like five shots and may be a 3/8 inch hole. I get i’m sorry to hear that. I went through the same thing. It is very frustrating because I watched Matt Dobbers videos where he showed a precision group. It was like five shots and may be a 3/8 inch hole. I get the slug liners and it’s entered a half 200 100 yards on my channel. I did get one liner to shoot savanna my way but it was a 30 Cal which is inherently more accurate and it took me eight hours to get that out of that barrel, and I will never do another one. it’s sad at FX has conned people out of their money and given them and in theory or shooting product.
I'd just love to see you compete in a competition. Put your money where your mouth is and show us how good your gun and barrels are. I've got a wildcat mk2 and it's pellet on pellet accurate.
Well get out there and shoot your 200 yard group with slugs let’s see what you got I think you’re the one standing in the bullshit you’ve been conned by a company for their own profit I guarantee you your gun can’t shoot even close to a Walther barrel you prove it wrong you’re the guy with a big mouth start proving
@user-fz8fy4zl1cfrom what I've seen most of us fx guys have a collection of various guns from a bunch of different manufacturers. If we weren't happy with FX's performance, why would we continue shooting them.
@@joshuagibson2520 get a independent shooter, take my rifle and the Lowther Walther barrel rifle, he shoots both, this eliminates a better shooter and the better more consistent rifle wins.
@@heithwatkins you can't call out someone who has used the fx barrels in comp and placed on the podium multiple times without being able to back up your claims...also sniping is completely different to airgun target shooting
@@heithwatkins let's not talk comp shooting then,how about this clown doing any actual valid accuracy tests...shoot some paper,do some hunting or ANYTHING to back your claims. Matt has put out a lot of long range videos using all kinds of fx barrels,he's proven they're good,Rmac was won by what? An fx...this guy has NO evidence to back his claims
Can you recommend a slug barrel for an LCS SK 19. The one I comes with is fine for pellets but the twist rate is too fast for slugs. Thanks for your time.
Prof Brian Cox said our ability to store and transfer knowledge is what took us from caveman to spaceman. Any knowledge on this complex subject(PCPs) is valuable to all of us who are interested. I thoroughly enjoy learning all I can about the physics involved. Hooray for youtube videos like yours and others. 2 years ago I did not even know what a PCP was. I have since bought several FX rifles and have shot over 15000 rounds through them. I have also devoured youtube reviews on different air rifles. I have never seen any groups from any gun approaching a quarter MOA (1 MOA equals1,047 inches at 100 yds) at any distance. Especially not 10 shot groups. Not Huben, Daystate, RTI, or any others. Many have had Lothar Walter barrels. I don't claim these groups don't exist just have not seen any from hundreds of videos. The tendencies with groupings seem to be similar for all the rifles in terms of typically not being able to improve on approx 0,75 to 1 MOA including for FX. Most groups are worse. I also notice most have the odd flyer which is why I personally prefer 10 shot plus groups to see how many flyers over a larger shot count. Make no mistake FX also has flyers but I haven't seen it's worse than other rifles. . If you achieve quarter MOA consistently without rifle-induced flyers I cannot wait to find how you achieve it and I'm sure the airgun enthusiasts out there feel the same. As far as the points you have made about the flaws in the FX barrel design and manufacture clearly this is true. FX is aware of these hence the release of carbon tubes to stiffen the liners and the research in adding barrel stiffening sleeves. It makes sense that they will improve accuracy and reduce POI changes from barrel shifting which is one of my personal complaints with these rifles.. My best results with my unmodified rifles are 0,63 MOA with slugs and 0.6 MOA with pellets at 71 yds. The best of hundreds of 10 plus round groups The changing size inside the liners as the projectile moves down the barrel I cannot comment on in terms of both physical or the effect thereof. What I can say to your statement about introducing harmonics is that I think it can only affect the amplitude, not the actual frequency of the harmonic. Depending on various factors it could reduce and increase the amplitude as it disengages and reengages the barrel each time. This is obviously a complex subject and is beyond my knowledge. What attracted me to FX the most is the repeated claim from what appears to be reliable sources (eg, Teds Hoidover) that the barrel does not have to be repeatedly cleaned to maintain accuracy. My own experience is this is true, however, a change in projectile requires about 10 shots before the barrel "settles" with the leading and becomes consistent. As far as to hammer friction I think your claim of inconsistency needs elaboration. Friction per se is not the cause of inconsistency If the friction stays the same each time no inconsistency will be introduced. I cannot comment on whether it does or not but don't think it would be the same every time.. A good polish of the hammer and sleeve will probably reduce inconsistency to negligible amounts. I notice you were measuring a 2-year-old barrel. I believe the Superior barrel was subsequently released and these are more precise, with improved manufacturing equipment being used. I don't know if measurement will improve. At least one of the Huben reviews has shot strings and the speed variable is above 10fps. You claim that FX is a 100 yd barrel and not a 200yd barrel is in my opinion is an incorrect statement unless the rifle has introduced instability into the projectile that only starts beyond 100 meters. Unless affected by wind or some other cause of instability ( eg spin rate) 1 MOA at 100 is 1MOA at all distances once the projectile has left the barrel. If I'm wrong please explain, remember I'm kind of a novice I look forward to your further videos. Show us the consistent quarter MOA groups with no flyers and I will definitely be one of the first to make one happen for myself I believe hammerless is the future and most rifles will be built like that eventually including FX I would like to make the South African video guys aware of your channel. Things should get interesting. Let's hope you guys can bang the knowledge and facts around to the benefit of us all without any personal issues.
In .22LR it's very easy to have a 100 yard rifle but to have a consistent 200 yard rifle is another thing. Savage,CZ and Ruger all mass produce 100 yard rifles, if you want 200 yard .22LR your talking Voodoo and probably a few other $1000 plus rifles. Takes a lot to jump from 100 to 200 yards and be consistent.
Did you check your line or did you push a slug or pellet through it. The best thing you can do for yourself if you wanna shoot really tight groups just get a better barrel fit to your gun and when you do that I guarantee you will message me and tell me how much butter and how much more consistent your groups are. F ask products throw flyers with slugs all the time. That is because of Poor manufacturing process and the fact that the barrel needs a very tight choke. They have to be tight choked to overcome all the deviations that are caused to the slug from the inconsistent barrel diameter. Like me you saw a video showing a really tight tight group . So you bought the gun and now you’re into it and you’re kind of stuck. I would suggest getting yourself a gauntlet or an avenger and using my videos to polish and remove any inconsistencies which are much smaller and deviation matter of fact microscopic compared to an fx. And once you take that entry level gun as they call them so they can sell their expensive stuff and you tune it properly you’re going to see how much better accuracy can be achieved. The fact is their liner is a weak system and they hide it. Anybody who shoots for them on TH-cam is not allowed to show groups. At over 100 yards one out of four slugs will hit the target sometimes you’ll get lucky and two are 4 Will hit the target. That is simply not acceptable. These guys talk about ethical shooting. How are you going to shoot ethically if you yourself just said that you get tons of flyers. Go get yourself a Walther polygon barrel if you’re shooting slugs no choke barrel and you will be shooting a half inch group at 100 yards.
I’ve been into guns for 45 years I watched my father a master gunsmith work on these barrels there is an anything anybody is going to tell me about barrels I have more than proven myself and I will tell you this don’t care what you say about your barrel it’s crap get a better barrel and you’ll be much happier your flyers will go away
ok so a few problems with this video. first off drill bit ..... they get used and go dull. a slight deviation from a dull bit will cause holes to not be straight anymore its called walking. second fault in this video is the measurement on the barrels. not once did we see a measurement from your callipers not is it likely to be calibrated. thirdly i heard a comment about flyers. flyers are mainly caused by a mis-shapen skirt/pellet if theres a fault in the gun it will be consistent. you claim to have more than 10 fx guns. if theyare so terrible why by more of them. really pulling a huben out and calling it THE GUN. ive got socks that hold air better. 2 mags and they drop all their air and they cant be fixed by a local repair shop. on the topic of slugs did you try different brands ? different weights ? cant just say they dont shoot slugs if you havnt tried a few variants. and then you admit to buying all your guns broken for half the price so you dont even know whats been shoved up the barrels or how old they are. as far as the barrel moving, its a floating barrel its gonna move abit.
I’m still fairly new to air guns and watch videos to give me insight. Now you have me curious if I can use a different brand barrel on my less expensive rifle it make it a better consistent shooter without having to spend a lot of money on an expensive rifle.
Seen lots of air gun utubers commenting/talking about the good and bad side of a specific airgun. But it seemed to me your whole aim is to discredit the FX Airguns products.
@@kamikazehunter I have the Avenger in .25 and it shoots NSA slugs pretty good, I haven't shot it out to 200 yards but for a $300 rifle, it's a lotta fun.
@@drekceldude were only allowed to get .22’s here in South-Africa without a firearm license. We have a local Airgun dealer Douxsilensers. He’s made bottle adapters for the Avenger. Looks pretty sweet. I’ll send you the link.
It seems you may need to spend some more time in the machine shop. Drill bits do have some “give” and as another viewer commented drill drifting is also another issue to contend with. This is true even when using large drills. It is also possible for the material bow when hogging out the initial hole. This can be caused by the relationship between tool feed pressure and a dull drill. It doesn’t matter if it’s a modern carbide insert drill or a standard drill, eventually the cutting edge does deteriorate. Although for production purposes most efficient manufacturing processes use a non-traditional drill with carbide inserts to effectively move a lot of material when boring the initial hole. I won’t even get into your method measuring the ID of the barrels with the $10 Harbor freight calipers (not a mic). Bottom line is there’s a certain way to call somebody out that has established a reputation for them self. In any industry the unspoken understanding is the same. This was not the way to do it. Most viewers watching both sides of this this are disappointed in both of you. Because this is petty.
We weren’t talking about drifting we were talking about the bed flexing I half inch supposedly in the center of the barrel and then when I got to end the end of the barrel it’s centered itself again so both ends centered And the metal was three eights inch off I call bullshit that can’t happen that will never happen don’t tell me you’re a machinist you can have drift you could start at the center on one end and be a quarter inches off on the other end but what you will not have is a bowl in the middle
All you have to do is push a slug through the barrel or a pallet I told everybody you don’t need the mudroom you just need to push it through right sharing of fx And the only reason you guys are commenting which is stupid at this point it’s because people saw my video check the barrels and you are losing tons of business because of facts I told people not to trust me don’t take my word for a check at yourself and they did in your junk they don’t want any more
A drill bit is not the tool of choice for removing a choke. You need a tapered ream with the final o.d. at or just shy of your finished land i.d. A ream will much more accurately follow the existing bore without deviation. Then lap and polish it in for a proper choke removal.
No it’s not but how about the guys who don’t have a machine shop what do you use your ears I made the videos for guys who do not have a machine shop and you know what it works just as good as putting a barrel on my lathe
Was going to get a impact but now not so sure. I need a slug shooter in 22 with big power What would recommend please... Was that a Hatsan? Respect from UK
@@Supracrm This guy is so obviously biased this video is just a hater report. Look at the results of this weekends RMAC, see how these liners did against LW, CZ and others. Actions speak louder than biased words.
@@Supracrm you good go to a factory of any item and find the odd discrepancy with a few things . It’s human and machine errors. It’s happens . To say there barrels don’t work is the most hilarious thing I have heard . There brilliant and had a fair few rifles myself
I've drilled very tough materials with lathes and milling machines. Yes drill bits can bend. Second thing measuring with the caliper on inside diameter is only so accurate. That's why there are bore gauges and micrometers. And before someone asks I have never nor do I own an FX
I used to me a gunsmith and have shortened plenty of barrels and found both drilled and hammer forged barrels that were off center. On firearms that the barrel heats up it causes more problems than in airguns. Note that a properly drilled barrel is counter bored where the blank is turning one direction and the boring bit is ALSO turning the other direction so it tends to self center. Unfortunately those machines are becoming rare I guess
@@bobjoatmon1993 I agree they can be off-center, but what Matthew said was the ends were centered, but when he cut the barrel in the middle, it was off-center, so he saying that the drill bit itself bent in the middle and then came back to center. It made no sense.
@@bobjoatmon1993 you know the funny thing is. We’ve got Walther they’ve been around how long very long time. We’ve got CZ who makes the best barrels of any of the older manufacturers. Any of their AR rifles shoot a half inch group at 100 yards. I have seen them shoot a 3 inch group at 500 yards with the epic two that has a CZ barrel, and that was with slugs. But then we have these Chinese companies who are relatively new to the market. Under 10 years experience making barrels. But they really pushed hard. Rifling depth ,width. Testing all different groove in land counts. And wind in that short time they have become one of the best barrel makers.Huben and AEA . Snow peak. Or just some of the guns. Check out my video, most accurate slug, air gun in the world. Any rifle I have air rifle shoots a half inch or under at 100 yards with slugs at 1100 FPS or faster. I’ve got a new video coming out on my K1. Sheets under a half inch at 1140 FPS at 100 yards.
@@amazingairguns6350 and yet, I've turned barrel blanks that the bore hole was centered on both ends yet when I cut them to length, the hole WAS off center. That's why it's important to pay the extra for 'gaged barrels' where bore trueness has been checked optically. A lot of gunsmiths just put the barrel between centers and do whatever taper or OD reduction is required but that barrel will never be as inherently accurate as one that was straight bored to begin with. Like I said, for deep boring of barrels and artillery, the work turns one direction and the 'drill', the boring tool turns the opposite direction (a standard lathe doesn't do this, the work turns but the drill / boring bar stays stationary in the tailstock AND IS PRONE TO WALK) and the forces that cause walking csncel each other. Hammer forged barrels have issues too, there may be hard and soft spots in the tubing used so it comes out bent, the manufacturer straightens it but it will not be as accurate as one that forges straight. I have 5 FX liners in .25 and one is total crap, I even called them in Europe to discuss the issues as I believe bits a QC failure and wanted to send it to them to evaluate (but couldn't because of US federal 'arms shipments' law, couldn't find a workaround that didnt require too much expense and paperwork, wasn't worth it) and maybe get it replaced so it does happen. I have one that was excellent, I then proceeded to use the carbon fiber sleeve and FULLY epoxy the liner, sleeve, barrel housing into one monolith mass, then epoxy an over sleeve on top of that and its super stiff so much less harmonic vibration and better consistency.
Hi guys I see both sides , I think it would be wise fir fx to go down the solid barrel route , as a liner then barrel tensioner then a harmonic tuner at the front then a barrel tensioner at the rear …. Would a solid barrel sort this out ???? I’ve seen a LW barrel on a fx produce better groups my self . I’m not pro LW as I have 4 CZ guns and you simply can’t beat them !! All the best 😎
I have an FX Crown MK2 .25 and an FX Impact .25, I consistently shoot starlings and pigeons out beyond 200+ yards. FX makes absolutely beautiful looking and superbly accurate guns. With as much production that they have, There is bound to be a lemon once in awhile. It happens. Unfortunately. I however, received rifles that don't have any accuracy problems. Granted...when I first started shooting slugs I couldnt get a good group to save my life...until I really started to understand how to tune my rifles, I eventually found the tune that has my guns so accurate, its utterly shocking at how accurate they are. I'm sorry but this gentlemen at first sounded like he had some interesting and helpful advice, but after watching quite a few of his videos it really starts to sound like he's whining and complaining and just flat out bashing FX. There's a reason Air Rifle competitions around the world are being won with FX air rifles. It's not a fluke. It's because they make incredible, accurate, cutting edge air rifles.
I'm also very interested to see concurrent video footage from any Air Weapon you choose to shoot, from Scope Cam and simultaneous Target cam, for each of three shooters shooting 100yd and 200yds. Yourself, Keith Gibson and Matt Dubber, with an independent Range Team. I'd like very much to see your 1/2" groups at 100 yds with and Airgun. And as for your references to the other reputable content creators, who built their formidable competition results and subsequent online media followings predominantly using FX product; In every video I've watched they all admit to "missing" a fair few shots honestly and openly.
So you can’t see a shooting through the scope so you’re saying I’m a liar well tell you what why don’t you message 68 whiskey I’m not far from them tell him I’ll do a competition with him will do this face-to-face we can dig a hole because that’s where you could throw that our fax when I’m done with it right in it’s grave. I’ll use him to get my message out there and to be one of the biggest on TH-cam so yeah message him tell him I can do a friendly competition 200 yards with slugs I’m gonna load his magazine he’s going to load mine and then we’re gonna shoot to 25 calibers 200 yards and mine are all going to be in an inch and a quarter group
@@amazingairguns6350 You have an interesting communication style sir! Nowhere did I write - You J Cooper aka "extreme airguns" are a liar. Let me be crystal clear for you. I am not employed by you. My services and time are not contracted to you nor by you. I am therefore not obligated (nor am I inclined) to follow orders directed at me by you, nor complete tasks directed or instructed by you. Refrain from issuing instructions to me and directing orders at me. They will be ignored, (Alternatively I could furnish you with a Contract and Billing Information, with non negotiable Terms and Conditions. Fees for my time are payable in advance. But I have ZERO interest in working with or for you at this point in time) If you don't live "far" from Mr Gibson, perhaps you could message him yourself. My personal advice to you would be DON"T make unsolicited contact with anyone. A word of considered advise to you about contacting people, either private citizens or public entities: Ensure your tone and demeanour is non-threatening in every possible way and that meets that Legal Definition in Law. (In my opinion, I doubt Mr Gibson would have any interest in assisting you become any sort of "Influencer" on this or any other platform nor be "used" by you in any capacity.) I'll watch a competition run under the conditions I stated. As for who loads whose magazines; You load your own under supervision or they are loaded by independents and handed to you. With regards to ranging through a scope - I'm pretty comfortable myself with Milli Radians and Minutes of Angle, whether that be on a Theodolite or a Weapons Platform Optic. I've been shooting for over 40 years sir. I trust I have covered each point you chose to write to me about. If you have any concerns, or find you have some additional thoughts you'd appreciate corresponding with me about, please address me in a considered and considerate manner and I'll respond in kind. I have found through training and experience, removing and excluding emotions from correspondence and conflict, (no matter how serious or intense,) leads to a far more reasoned dialogue and conclusion. P.S. I find it interesting my Original Post no longer appears in this comment section.
Why would I do that I shoot it on the skull cam leave the camera on take it off the gun show you the gun and show you where the target is it would be stupid for me to do it the other way that’s how you get tricked by all these a holes shooting and cheating and making these guns look like something they’re not so you buy them.
If you dont like fx then don’t buy one! I own air arms, Diana model 54, marauder, talon ss condor…I like them all but maybe I’m the lucky one because my mk2 impact and m3 are more accurate than ant of those guns. I still enjoy shooting all of them, but if you told me pick one to hit the bulls it would be one my impacts. I like the adjustability
Watch the FX factory tour video. They have an employee that has an arbor press and dial indicator. He says that he has to straighten the barrels because they come in bent. Lol. Great FX Quality 🤔
That’s the plan I’m going to shoot every competition even if it’s not legal I’m gonna shoot 300 yards with all the big guns am I 300 yard group is going to be an inch and 3/4 yeah I’m going .Let’s see if they’re gonna let me shoot my gun and most of those competitions let’s see what happens when I show up then we’re going to see the fax and wait one thing hundred yard group I’m not shooting pallets I’m shooting slugs my K-1 shooter one whole group at 100 yards with 44 green slugs so yeah oh I’ll be there
@devroRR the bad thing is, the guy does have a lot of experience, knowledge and wisdom, but he negates it all by being an ass, and inappropriately calling out people when he is simply wrong. It is sad really, and is what's worse, is he takes the attention he has gotten and thinks it is validation. Oh well
Thank you for your thought provoking video. I have four .25 cal 600mm FX barrel liners. I checked visually and pushed through with slugs. I may just be lucky, but all of my FX barrel liners are without flaw and slugs (although tight) push through consistently. I own other high end air rifles with conventional barrels and for their purpose work very well. It’s the flexibility my FX Crown and Impact provide me that is most enjoyable. I can plink, target shoot, pest in close quarters, and hunt small to medium game over distance with confidence. Maybe you should stop buying broken shit and buy some good kit. Just saying. 😉
Let me tell you something little boy you think I’m dumb I’ve owned over 15 of those barrels everyone is flawed Mr. Rowe hast to dig through hundreds to get the ones with the lease defects . Once again tell Matthew I said he’s a liar. And let me tell you what a good gun is my P 12 with a 15 inch barrel I get over 40 shots like 49 shots 50 shots at 1080 ft./s with 21 grain slugs under a half inch at 100 yards shoot 200 yards with that gun and hit squirrels and I’m done talking like an a fax where it takes three or four shots to hit I’m talking side on the squirrel one shot and it’s done you know if you’re shooting far How many shots does it take you Chris with confidence huh with those junk barrels 2 inch group at 100 yards with slugs. Tell Matthew I got more videos coming for him the same thing to stop he lied and he still lying and FX is perpetuating it so this is just begun.
@@amazingairguns6350 mate - you certainly sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. I’m sorry, but I’ve watched your videos and you have nothing worthwhile to say. So the best way I can respond to an angry and baseless little man like you is to unsubscribe and block you.
I’ve got three barrels and everyone of them has the flaws that’s why I don’t use them they’re junk. I do realize you’re doing that for Matthew Dubber and that’s OK. My button rifled barrels have proven their accuracy. It is a fact that button rifling is more accurate than pressing rifling from the outside. The tubes that those barrels are made of or not perfect so you have an inconsistency in your inner rifling diameter. I guess what I’m saying is you’re lying. And another issue is the choke get up there on TH-cam watch air Hunter Girard or Matt Dubber and watch their slugs spiraling. And the spiral comes from the very poorly manufactured barrels. Slugs cannot be shot accurately through a chalk that is a fact. I suggest you get yourself a Walther button rifle barrel or a poly barrel no choke If you are shooting slugs and you will see the accuracy. The best you’re going to get out of an FX liner is an inch and a half at 100 yards.
You know you’re full of shit. You’re pissed off because you bought that overprice shit too. That junk I will I’ll shoot that FX with my cheap Chinese gun any day of the week do you want to shoot a competition and post it on TH-cam I’m there
Do you know what’s stupid is defending a shit product because you own it. You see that’s why Matt Dubber was hired to go after younger guys. Because they’ll buy extras for they’re gun . And because of the lack of knowledge don’t protector gun it’s like a cult thing. I guarantee you that you come against this old man your groups are going to be embarrassing
I've only just come across your Chanel... never seen you before.. but boy I'm listening very closely... do other company's make aftermarket barrels to fit fx ??? I'm about to get the new bt wildcat sniper... and I'd like a realy good barrel for slugs...
Thank you I haven’t done any videos in two years. I’m doing one tomorrow and then I’ll try to answer all questions that anyone has that are left in the comment section. I’ll either answer them there or I can do a video.
It finally dawned on me to go faster. The gun is capable of 1260 FPS. I’m gonna show the changes I made in a gun not big changes just spring reach little bit heavier spring.
Back here in India the hoards of folks that bought impacts would rather have a root canal than a FX ,there is truth to what you speak of fx impacts and their liners .You should be proud of the courage to call them out
@@maverick4me my channel is amazing airguns The reason I call them out is because I bought eight of their guns because of Matt dubber, saying how accurate they were, and showing the target of a one whole group. Which was not true I got the guns they were terrible. They shot so terrible that I had no choice, but to make my first video the truth about fx liners
I would like to of seen you put an endoscope through the barrels to see the inconsistency of the high and low spots inside of which you are talking about.
My M3 IMPACT shoots so perfect that amazes me, STX or heavy liner. Both are incredibly, incredibly tight from 18gr all the way to 40+ gr. Its crazy to bash their liners and guns like this. I agree with the harmonics you've mentioned tho. I can't argue.
If they are Soo perfect then they should be allowed to have scrutiny.If it sticks it must be true if it doesn't then ohwell..If they so perfect why have mk1 MK2 @mk3... Obviously even FX believes it can be improved on.
Super interesante, me he suscrito, tengo un impact M3 6,35 y quiero mecanizar un cañón bueno....pero por falta de conocimientos no me he atrevido, me aconsejas algún cañón realmente bueno? Un saludo desde España
Iv had my m3 22 stx superior barrel with zero issues. Iv put 3500 pellets and 2000 fx hybrid slugs through this gun without a single flaw. I'm lost to what your griping about.
He says it all with conviction, I'll give him that! I have a dreamline and a diana outlaw, the outlaw shoots slugs terrible while the fx shoots them pretty good. Neither one will group pellets at 100yds like the RWS 54 airking, the recoiless springer I have. I've spent a lifetime shooting NRA rifle silhouette, NBRSA benchrest and now NRL22, my air rifles have always been practice guns for real gun competitions. Unless you can't legally own real firearms not sure what the point of a 30 caliber airgun is especially if it's loud, thinking a 308 might be a better choice.
I took you at faith and bought a lothar walther barrelled rifle, I shot it A LOT when it was fully run in I put it against my FX Crown .22 running at 31 FPE, not even a comparison at 150 yards, I'll keep the FX thanks, maybe if I sell the Walther I'll buy another FX, you obviously hold your knowledge of air rifles a lot higher than you should, after shooting all calibers in firearms and air rifles for over 55 year's I can tell you, you know s#it about air guns boy.
Faith, faith in what you have the worst barrel on the market, unless you’re shooting pallets, because of forgiving those barrels can’t even come close. And another thing is I’ll be doing a video on pressures why pressures makes such an enormous difference.
You must be one of the assholes who blows Matt dubber. I enjoy very much your whiny little bitch ass complaining little children. That’s exactly why I do this the way I do to get you assholes out in the open.
@@threekblack217 you can get a CZ barrel they are incredible. They’re better than Walther. I did fix one of my minors. It was a 30 cow. It’s up there too and video.
I haven’t seen to many ED Guns winning RMAC . Ted Bier used to shoot ED Guns a lot but he has won RMAC but with .25 Cal FX Impact . I have a mk || and it is aTack Driver .also have a much forgotten Streamline in .22 shoots lights out and I’m a vermin controller for our local Council. Go Fx the Best. Cheers Dean
@@NickM-x2t scout makes their own liners. You get three when you buy one of their air rifles with different depths of rifling. And there’s are made of aluminum. With a hardened coating. And their guns have done nothing in competition . They were claiming how are they were going to be the best and they’ve done nothing.
@ you have to lap and polish them, and then they do. The same thing with CZ barrels. They are incredible to you get a half inch group at 100 yards with slugs out of their barrels and if you polish and lamp them you’re well under a half inch there incredible.
@@amazingairguns6350 why don't you measure the liner on both ends vs 2 different liners? how about measuring some Lother and cz barrels without polishing? you know why they do the same thing prove me wrong, I will be waiting for the video
@ it is a fact that conventionally made rifle barrels are more accurate. It’s a fact. When you try to press in the rifling from the outside you get inconsistencies. Especially when the liner tubes are not totally true and they’re not so you’ll get up to a 4000s deviation from pressing in the rifling from the outside it’s a fact. Why do you think slug liners and pallet liners? Have to have a choke. In case you didn’t know a lot of pellet rifles are coming up without chokes now do you wanna know why because the accuracy of making the barrels has come around and you no longer need to have a choke to overcome in consistencies. Chokes on pellet rifles was needed in the 1930s it isn’t anymore because of how quality made the barrels are the cooling is better the model is better. The machines are better. Chinese companies that have been around for eight years or make them barrels better than Walther CZ and anyone out there. Ask yourself why why is it so easy for them to do. And their guns are running circle around FX. That company is a joke and if you look at the resale values now they’re plummeting. People have finally woken up to that garbage and that’s a fact if you don’t wanna believe it so be it. But I’ll tell you what I’ll make a video when you make a video of your 100 yard group with your junk gun and then I’ll make one the counter it all my guns shoot under a half inch group at 100 yards and you will never come close.
I’m not an FX fan boy by a damn site or any other brand for that matter. I have many PCPs and to be very honest the top 3 most accurate airguns I own are in this order. My LCS Air Arms SK-19 in .25 with a Polygonal barrel My .25 caliber Air Venturi/Nova Vista Avenger in .25 caliber. My Nova Vista Liberty in .22 caliber. My SK-19 hasn’t found a slug that it likes to date but FX .34 grain pellets drive tacks. The Nova Vista barrels including the Avenger have uncrowned barrels that shoot slugs and pellets awesomely. 75 yards with both the Liberty and The Avenger hold nickel size groups per magazine. The SKs poly barrel send pigeons to the afterlife well past 100 yards and then some. JSB .34 grain in the SK shotgun pattern compared to the FX .34 grain pellets however. They are NOT the same by any means in my barrel. Thanks for this video. Very eye opening. Thank you so much.
@@heithwatkins also what speaks volumes is when they post videos up of a few long range kills they expect people to say "wow, amazing" etc. But when a non youtuber posts videos of outstanding shooting etc not ONE of those TH-camrs would comment. Why i wonder. We all know theres always another more capable, that's life. But when someone does well these ass TH-camrs show no respect as they feel threatened by it. How come the harmonic tuner or carbon sleeve entries didnt do well?
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 Your right. Several people have told me about the so called FX fan boys. Two people in particular said they made a comment about FX. Then they were cursed out and even had racial insults thrown at them by numerous FX fan boys. They tried to gang up and bully me personally in this very comment section. I had to literally fight many of them at once. They called me names but then act hurt when I responded in kind. If I owned FX I would denounce them all. People are turned off with this (bully) behavior and may not buy products from FX because of it. No company wants men acting like children representing their products. God bless you brother. Have a great day. 👍
@@heithwatkins i totally agree, when you ask questions or give advice they become like spoilt children & start attacking you in a gang, what makes me laugh is when they tag their mates, thats because they have no answer so hope their buddy will. But Never works. I only speak the truth & not out to make friends. I doit as a job which I enjoy. FX do NOT need these unprofessional idiots attacking possible customers. Stay safe
At least this inconsistent FX barrels/liners, as you say, won Keith Gibson “68Whiskey” $21,000 at RMAC soo yeaaa… i think Matt is talking crap about them 😂
If you shoot enough and put in the time. You can get any gun to preform. My Gauntlet will shoot just as accurate as my BSA R10SE. But the Gauntlet only likes JSB pellets.
I am planing on building a gun have some old parts I am thing of using. But not sure which old parts r good ones Could I talk to u on what r the best parts to use in designing a gun which old parts I should use and which I should not use
Totalmente de acuerdo contigo...mi fx m3 solo va bien con balines, los slug no agrupan. También decir que no tienes seguridad con ellos en los primeros disparos. Como base para carabina está bien, pero debería cambiar el cañón por otro ....los alfa precisión están dando buenos resultados....tú que harías cambiar la carabina o poner otro cañón? No me gusta como va aunque hasta 120m con jsb King heavy va bien...34 grains. Un saludo, lo dicho me encanta el vídeo, totalmente de acuerdo
Barrel quality is paramount. I'm a huge fan of the .22cal CZs (12 groove, 45cm twist), they require the least amount of polishing (bores are close to flawless from the factory). I also agree that there are velocity sweet spots for a given barrel twist / barrel spec and projectile. It's been more apparent for me with smaller slugs (sectional densities and weight), like my gen6 Huben K1 with the 28.5gr Varmint Knockers. Everyone seemed to settle on 1050-1060, but that barrel is most accurate shooting them at 1100 (+/-5FPS). Love the K1, had to do some barrel work and have yet to install a custom mag that I got from Kelly & Dale Riggert's design, but tweaking the factory mag chambers allowed me to shoot sub-MOA with only ~2 sketchy mag chambers. My Taipan "Supervet" builds in .22 are ferocious, and they can push 40+ grain RBTs at just under 130FPE (but I chamber them for the 40gr Griffins and tune them for high transonic). I stopped using FX liners in my higher power builds, because they did not hold up for me over time. I have some very accurate FX liners in other rifles that have held up great though. Testing some custom LW poly barrels this week, and then I'm moving on to more R&D with .22 rimfire barrels. Shilen & TJs are on the menu 😎
I’ve seen you up there on our donation mountain ghost yeah I agree I agree with the 12 groove Matthew Dubber said those are terrible and I happen to know how extremely accurate those are he said those barrels are no good past 100 yards that’s a lie and keep us informed on your Walther poly barrels because I’m putting one on my huben I have a 2018 model that was a Lothar Walther choked barrel the choke is cut off so the barrels like 17 inches now. So I’m putting a Walther poly 24 inch barrel on it no choke. Please keep us informed on your build very interested I’ve seen you up there you got some great builds . And this is what the sport is supposed to be about sharing with other people true knowledge not spreading lies to sell guns FX is it a monster who only cares about profit the best thing they can do for them sophist start using Walther poly but you say that would cost them money it cost them five dollars a barrel to make
Check out my video where I fixed the FX liner I had to make a lapping tool first I made it out of lead I poured it in the barrel the old-school way took that out sandcast a brass tool smoothing it out it was a lot of work then I pressed it through so the barrel was true all the way down there were no more inconsistencies. I started shooting it and it was still 2 1/2 inch group. So I started cutting the choke off 1/64 at a time it ended up being about 3/8 of it cut off and if you watch my group they’re all going and a half inch it was .4 so I fix the liner but the thing is it’s too much work. I couldn’t offer that service to people because of how many different twist rates they have I’d have to make a tool for every liner every six hours of work people are better off just going and getting a Lothar Walther poly barrel in machining at the fit the gun. Ozark Mountain air guns He put a Walther poly on his impact and at 100 yards of shoot and a quarter inch group it’s unbelievable
Do me a favor mountain ghost watch Matt Dobbers three videos on Huben And really pay attention and listen super close and rewind and watch again if you have to and then I want you to tell me what you think please do me that favor.
I’m gonna drill the choke off this gun tomorrow off my Edgun . Because a lot of people don’t have the option of taking a gun to a machine shop or doing up them selves like we do. Watch my P 12 shoot that hundred yard group at .413. I noticed when I shot a group that was 1.2 I put a slug down the barrel and there was about a quarter inch at the end of the barrel where the slug slid easier. And I got five kids here so it’s hard for me to get downstairs and get the barrel on the live so I drilled a half inch right. And I figure if it works I’ll just cut the remainder that’s hanging out off and then I’ll thread the end of the barrel. I take the gun out and I should .413 I am not even cutting off the old threads for the suppressor I’m leaving it right where it is. So then I tried the same thing on a Walther maxima Thor that I have 25 Cal. And the gun shoots a little over a half inch group at 100 yards now all they did was drill it finish it really nice. And there’s a kind of funny story with it about using stones I’m gonna shoot the video tomorrow I hope you watch it. I custom size the stone to go in the end of the barrel where I drilled. I was using another Stone to shape it it took like 20 minutes to get it to the shape and size. So I put it in the end of the barrel where I had it drilled and I barely touch the crown to clean it up right. I take the gun out and shoot it and it’s like a sex change group I’m like what the hell. So I figure I got a hit the crown more I’m going to look at the stone if I had that thing in there 20 seconds it was a lot it actually cut Stone down and dug into the rifling so I had to drill it back another quarter inch and make a tool to re-crown go inside that hole and re-crown. And once I did that spot on. All the stuff I’m doing is for guys who don’t have the option to go to a machine shop they can do this in their house. And all the barrel stuff I’m teaching these guys my father was a master gunsmith he taught me how to read these barrels and how to fix this rifling. No normallyYou make a laughing tool but how did these guys do that in their house when they’ve never done it before. So I design this other system that I use now that works great. If I was doing 35 Cal or 45 I would make a lapping tool.
And one other thing at any time if you feel you wanna get up here help an ad and contribute to this it would be much appreciated and welcomed this is about giving all these guys knowledge. So far nobody does. As far as I know I’m the only one who started this so I could definitely use the help no one person knows everything and I’m Sure a lot of guys on 12 grooves and I don’t own one at this point. For me this is about the guns and that’s it
Funny though 90 % of the rifles at Rmac were FX and the winner Keith shooting none other than an Impact..but having to buy barrel sleeves is rediculous 100% stuid
@@amink9436 RusBear used wind flags and it was completely useless since the flag was straighten up horizontal with the extreme wind... the approach of using the previous shot as a sighter for the next shot was probably the best choice... a proven winner choice....
@@amink9436 Watch Rusbear videos mate... He was using flags during RMAC practice in that tournament range, and his flag was straightened horizontally. How you gonna guess the wind speed if the wind was over the flag reading limit...? 😅 By sacrificing previous shot as a sighter, shooter could nailed as many targets using same windage as long as the wind is consistent... 🤷♂️
How did he prove he can shoot explain that to me he purposely shot an avenger in 38 mile an hour winds so the group would look terrible. He has lied about polygon Walther barrels which shoot much better than FX barrels if you don’t believe it get up on shooter 1721 and watch a JSAR rifle switch from pallets to slugs with no change of impact and an extremely tight group. So what you’re saying is you’re going to believe the smoke and mirrors on TH-cam you ever see those shots ranged here’s another thing you don’t see the 45 Mrs. before the hit.I understand the weakness in you you need something to believe in you need to believe that your gun is the most accurate and it simply is not the case
It looks that you have some kind of problems with the FX brand and are on a hate/revanche mission, but I only see a pissed off man talking and jabbering, but you show us nothing, I own A FX Impact MKII that is unbelievable accurate with the STX Superior liner at 125m, and the results are the only thing that matters to me. But I hope that you sleep better after you let of your steam. Greetings from the Netherlands.
I did make the video it’s up there in the quality sucks I am really sorry but if you do what I tell you to do I guarantee your accuracy will be there I tried lapping the barrel on a GC gun oh I couldn’t get the lapping tool past the spots that were squeezed to small by the process they use of indenting the rifling I was hitting it with a mallet so then I just tried polishing the FX liner I got a little better but with slugs like I said up to 100 yards you’ll get an inch and 3/4 which is OK at 100 but when you get out there past 200 that’s when the Groups open and if you notice your slug spiral when you shoot them especially when it’s a closer range you can see it if you watch air hunters or any of those guys in Africa watch the 50 yard shots and watch the slugs they spiral a Matt Dobber said that’s normal that’s the right themselves that’s not true if I had a barrel that spirals a slugs I’ll get another barrel if I can’t fix it
@@weirhauch1002 Don't you just love how people claim to know some guy living across the ocean has "high integrity" The FX fan boys ass kissing is reaching epic proportions 💋🤣
@@heithwatkins I live in RSA and know Mat, just show you that your uttering is pure guessing and assumptions , deliberately trying to be rude, to many people like you on Y T
it seems to me that your precise testing methods need to be refined, as does your informational data base on how things work (drill bits) in the real world. Drills DRIFT. If you doubt it check the machinest handbook.
a drill that long can drift a crazy amount the guy in the vid is very uneducated.
Yes but it have not like fx liner ...
Doesn't matter one way or another as FX barrels are not drilled in the first place. They are made from tubing that is then pressed to form and then pressed by FX to form the riffling. . No drilling.
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It is sad to see a guy try to get likes and follows in this way... The guys down in Africa could teach you quite a few things - the first being humility, the second being how to shoot and the third being not blaming the tools for the result - especially not when they are accepted throughout the fraternity as being some of the best tools money can buy... Having had the priviledge of spending time in conversation with - and on the range - with several world champions "from down in Africa" I KNOW the skill and knowledge these guys bring to the table - and here is the newsflash - not one ever said that Lothar Walther is crap or only FX is good - and Matt never said that either. He pointed out the technical specifications and their effects in different disciplines, which means pick the appropriate tool for the job - and your budget. And guess what...? When we shoot there are plenty of FX's next to Walthers, next to Prophets and Priests and Avengers and Leviathans.... Nobody talking down to anybody my friend - you need to do a lot of soul-searching as regards your motives for this vid... But don't feel bad - you ever come down to Africa, you can drop into any range and come give us a shooting lesson...we will even buy you a few beers and listen listen attentively to your wisdoms...😉
As much as I respect Matt for his contribution to the airguns, it must be acknowledged that Matt has financial interests with FX since he is engaged in developing the new innovations.
Any criticism must be be viewed on merit and checked / tested on the bench if that were something to contest against. Simply blaming a man for bringing out a point ain't any kind of humility be it down under or south Africa or Mars. The guy bought a point to the table, ask him and verify on a bench.
Id like to see you prove your claims. Also, when you need a truly concentric hole in metal you dont finish it with a drill bit, you use a center bore. Also funny how Keith Gibson has recorded kills at 250 yards+. Step up to plate. You wander around on your porch and just sound so angry the whole time. The loudest people i find tend to be the most full of it.
Creeps his way into the seedy underworld like a weasel. LOL
Last i heard Keith was on 340yds, only 40 behind me
No tool beats a drill bit if you want to make triangular holes :-)
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 You type a lot…yet to see any video evidence…
Hey your asshole friend Keith won’t take my accuracy challenge I live 100 miles away from him and I told him we can go right up on his channel there and shoot a competition. Any day of the week any of you guys want to shoot a competition With Keith the douche bag Gibson he’s a coward. He’s running and hiding from me. And now he proves what a bitch he is by having you guys come up here and make comments so any of you bitches wanna shoot I’m not far from Keith and I’m always available. I will send you home with your towels between your legs.
I guess the reason why so many of the air rifle competition winners only use FX barrels is because they are so inferior. Mat is a giant compared to you.
But then Matt doesn't group more than 1 shot as he claims it doesnt matter, especially when hunting. A very naive statement by a so called "professional" LOL 🤣
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 only the first shot matters! Lmaoooo.
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 Post your own results before making such statements.
@@AustinJesseJames why do i have to do what you ask or that chris bloke. He's been asked in the past to post videos up of evidence & he runs off like a girlie in hot pants. My videos i take show without any doubt the range I shoot & that i kill my target, not let them hobble off, or make them jump in the air through shock & then claim it was a kill shot. The the about Texas is, the bull shit has spread throughout the USA
@@joshuagibson2520 EXACTLY, to say the first shot matters is a JOKE, whether hunting or not. Very naive comment to make, so out of 5 shots which is the first as surely you only have one first shot. I thought anyone with an ounce of knowhow or intelligence in what makes a marksman & his set up better is CONSISTENCY. Come on guys get to grips with what is correct or not MD FX JJ BS
Per the drill bits, I’m a machinist.
Drill bits, even carbide drill bits absolutely flex. The longer they are the greater the chance of it.
Applications have to be dialed in perfectly in order for this not to happen.
I can easily see this happen in gun drill applications.
Per the fx liners, I don’t recall him staying they r perfect.
He stated they foul less, are fairly rough when new and polish as u shoot. Impart less damage on the projectile. And are less ammo fuzzy.
I’d say that’s pretty true.
Matt Dubber the liar said "all liners are identical" we all know if you share your settings with another rifle with EVERYTHING identical they will shoot completely different. FACT
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 my guess is u could share the barrel with the settings and still not get the same results.
There just to many variables from gun to gun.
It will probably be a good starting point, but fine tuning is still required.
@@corny155 actually i disagree. The parts are all machined, apparently to very tight tolerances (as they claim). If two identical rifles, using the same projectile, same settings, same location, same user etc. Then they should be pretty close. But I've only heard of one other Impact that shoots aswell as mine. FX & chums just fill people's minds with lies. Take the M3, claimed to be more powerful than the MK2. Not true. The M3 tuned using dual transfer port, slug power kit, obviously larger plenum, heavier hammer in 25cal using slugs gave 89ftlb. My Mk2 produces more than 91ftlb with less modification. They need to be more transparent with the truth
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 Variables in where you are, temperature, humidity all play a part,someone in Colorado at altitude, someone in New York using a M3 same settings 20 degrees difference will have different performance.
Lots of varibles involved.
@@drekceldude think you need to learn to read pal, then you can think about what you write 😄
And will you show the video of you shooting 1/4 inch groups at 100 yards...or what that size was?
I would really like to see your video on polishing and lapping barrels. A lot of what you say is true, and I’m a FX fan. But, it is true. Im disappointed in some of the products they have put out.
Don’t get help from this guy…guarantee can’t shoot if his life depended on it.
@@AustinJesseJames exactly why he’s ragging. He bought broken fox guns and thought he’d be the worlds best shooter. I can’t stop laughing at his inconsistencies.
I agree.
I want to see his lapping and polishing videos. It sounds like he has some good information. At least it's interesting.
It will be good to see him shoot targets at 25 to 200 yards.
He seems confident that he can produce excellent results. 👍
A lot of what he says is bu!!$hit.
Are used to be like you I had tons of these guns and they are great with pallets but when you’re shooting slugs they are not even close as accurate as a poly or a Walther button rifled. My problem is I watched Matt Dobre tell all of us how perfect these barrels were how everyone that came off the line was perfect the same and how extremely accurate match grade you couldn’t get any better accuracy. I bought seven barrels seven slug barrels and at 200 yards they’re all over the place with slugs they’re great with pallets I spent over 15,000 on the stuff. You a Huben The guns have two regulators they were the first since 2016 they are extremely adjustable I’m going to do a video on adjusting them. If you get on Andy’s Airgun reviews on TH-cam he shoots a brand new 2021 all the pallets we’re going through the same whole.Please get up there and watch it you’re not gonna believe it and you don’t have to cut the gun and that is with an uncooked barrel. It will shoot slugs just as good I’m getting an inch and a quarter at 200 yards
his measurements must be accurate hes using a harborfright vernier caliper its not even the correct micrometer to measure a bore with
.1mm accuracy lol
I was wondering if anybody would notice that. Any arguments made after using vernier calipers to make a point is a moot point.
The FX brand speaks for itself and the results and shooters don’t lie jealousy is a bitch ..
True but i must say one thing, i prefer thick metal german barrels like Diana or Wheirauch ones, these are accurate like crazy but for how long?
The Mauser was developed in the 1870s. STILL the best rifle action!!! What does age of design have to do with quality? Your "technique" disqualifies any thing you say.
All you really need to do is look at what the best shooters in the world are winning all the matches with.
oh that’s how you do it huh? Boy you are really rude my gosh. Why don’t you watch Matt dubber‘s video on his one year with the FX Panthera. How the hell explain your how terrible the groups are with that he’ll show you and then I’ll also tell you how you got a loosen bolts that normally have to be super tight to hold your barrel in place because if you don’t loosen them if the gun is out in the sun, it twists in your point of impact changes, it’s actually a comedy.
How about that fake competition in Utah? Everybody knows how it works now. 98% of the guns being shot are FX products, so who do you think is gonna win. Do you ever watch do you ever watch the videos from South Africa or anybody else who shoots for iFax and gets paid which they’d rather high but they can’t but they never put groups on paper ever maybe at 50 yards never at 100. And the funny thing is their 50 yard groups are 1 inch those guns are junk
where i can buy lothar walther berrels for FX ? & thank you
I’m just wondering how perfect that $20 caliper is. I’ve measured LW barrels & got pretty much the same results you have. But I measured mine with a Starrett caliper. Which I trust a whole lot more than a Pittsburgh caliper.
You can't measure barrels with any vernier,every person would get a different reading with a guessometer. you need pin gauges to to any kind of bore measurement at that size.
Doesn't negate the fact that when you push a slug it is loose tight loose tight. Straw barrels are crap. Look at a real bench rest gun barrel, it's like 1/2 inch wall thickness.
@@webreakforsquirrel4201 I'm not doubting that. Fx make great guns, until you touch them. Then they loose point of aim or start leaking.
@@webreakforsquirrel4201 Perhaps you should watch the Bench Rest Competition videos from last weekend. A well respected guy, won with e best 100yd score including 10 X's , first time ever in the history of the Competition, using an FX Impact Mk2. So, I respectfully agree to disagree
I would take his opinion with a grain of salt. If you look at the first video he made, he say his favorite gun is an FX bobcat, which he himself modified with a liner system. He generaly praise FX guns in that video. Then after the dubber video, he use his same "favorite" gun, to demonstrate how porly made it is. So from one video to another, he seemed to change his opinion.
Matthew Dobre lied about the K-1 he said he couldn’t get it to shoot and maybe so because he stupid I agree with that he probably couldn’t get it to shoot he didn’t know how to work the second regulator and there’s another thing Huben Was the first manufacturer in 2016 to have a gun with two regulators that’s right and both of them are adjustable one has a knob you were just for speed that’s why they are exceptional shoot your 200 yard group with Slugs. But I got a feeling he’ll just run your mouth and not shoot it you got a lot of comments but you don’t do shit shoot that gun 200 yards prove me wrong you better get a really big way to measure that use a big piece of paper
@@amazingairguns6350 Matt Dubber Didn't lie he specifically said his was an early model for one and for two he also said that once he obtained ammo(slugs) from huben it shot well! Not FX slug liner well but it did pretty damn good none the less. He complained about a few quirks mainly safety and reliability but I believe he gave credit where it was due in multiple areas. One very important one for Huben trying to bring slugs to mainstream air guns. Another for using a hammerless design that no one else has been able to pull off in the same manner.
Obviously he isn't as knowledgeable as he thinks.
Are ther videos to the mentioned poly barrels somewhere 🤔
Your talking also about things you Do not know, long holes can drift off, even carbide drills. I think you got issues with FX , no need to bag another persons by name. Also , put your money where your mouth is and go shooting with them at Iowa with your accurate rifle and we will see ....... bet they will NEVER see you there!!!!
Why are you so angry?
Indeed drills and reamers drift. They also follow the existing hole. Endmills cut the most true. A boring bar as well, but you can get a conical hole once they flex.
I hope you can convince enough people that FX is junk so they quit buying them and them maybe I won't have to wait 3 months to get one.
Lmfao!!
That’s a gimmick they make you think it’s exclusive.
And everybody that shoots for them on TH-cam lies and cheats they never show how many times they miss and they never shoot a group. I have been asking air hunters to put a 200 yard group on paper for us to say and he said he really doesn’t say the reason. Now this is a guy who is also a slug manufacturer and he doesn’t see the reason why he should show how well the groups are. We are dealing with so-called precision airguns from FX but they make a deal when they give you a gun and they pay you that you do not ever shoot groups on paper. The illusion is when you watch these guys in Africa and every shot they take they hit. And I don’t care how accurate your guns with wind you are going to miss all right so how come they never miss
I have to agree with this guy. I had an fx, and it just couldn't hold groups as tight as my edguns at 100+ yards. Once you start shooting long-range, the fx groups just start to open up.
Edguns are accurate and very well built. My cricket is my favorite of all my airguns
You need to show us your shooting,this is just a lot words from a dude in a white shirt
Would like to see how you polish a barrel. Thanks.
Lets see you win EBR in October....get out of the backyard and show us all.
Hi dear sir have you tried bsa r10 0.177 or 0.22 barrels sir if you have used them what do you think about them sir i would be very interested to hear from you soon as try them on TH-cam sir
You have to use bore gage are pin gages to check the bore. A veneer calibers are not the accurate. I have a cnc machining business making parts in tenths. Gage standard temp check is 69 degrees.
That was very interesting and informative. But why choke a refiled barrel even for shooting pellets ? does it have any benefits or is it just to alleviate some other manufacturing process imperfections ?
So how much does it cost to get a barrel corrected for my airgun?
@@reeseleary4383 you can get barrels through Walther. Walther has a really extensive line of barrels and they have them here in America. They’re about $120-$140. You need to machine it to fit your gun. Machine work is usually $150. If you’re gonna get a barrel, if you’re shooting 100 yards it would definitely be well worth it. You’ll be well under an inch group at 100 yards with a quality barrel. For me it’s all about the first shot. If you can’t make the first shot what good is the gun? You need consistency and precision and accuracy
Can you tell me what the twist rate of this barrel is? ? ? How many riflings are there? ?
@@DIY-vv4fu I can’t remember what the twist weight wise. I took, and I leaned the liners on the curb and jumped on him in Bantam Tim, one of my videos. They are truly shitty made barrels.
If the guns are “junk” then why did you buy 15… haha
Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Seems like he could have figured it out in the first or second one
Bet he will not answer you!
That's a good question. He needs to respond to it.
That's what I said to him lol he did not like that. He is a absolute fucking twat 😊
I’m sorry but you only have to look at what Matt Dubber has achieved using the fx barrels to clearly see this is bollocks. You will get bad batches of mass produced items in everything .
Rmac was just won by a .30 fx
Slugs get shot accurately out to crazy ranges with Fx .
Anyone taking note of this guy over the people actually winning comps and being very successful from the products must be mad .
I've seen people on Matt's channel take pigeons at 180yds with Impacts. 3 in a row as well so it wasn't a lucky shot.
But Lee, if you have a marathon and Nike pays 85% of the runners to wear Nike shoes, I bet Nike will make it to top 3. Does not make Nike the best shoe. Just means Nike pays the most.
@@MrDirectNL yes FX invest in competitions just like Subaru and Ford in WRC.
It's a proven way to A get your products in the public eye. B Competition breeds improvement and innovation.
@@MrDirectNL Amen.
These FX butt boys can't pry their lips off Matt's ass. 💋
@@MrDirectNL but out of that 85% how many would have them shit liners
What model EDgun did you say that was around 5:30?
I wish I watched this video two years ago before I bought the .25cal Impact M3. You are absolutely spot on with your facts. I've had nothing but problems with my Impact M3 liners. I have two,. A heavy 1:18 and a standard 1:24 and both are seriously problematic. They were even replaced after a 27 week wait by Sportsman Gun Centre in the UK and still shooting crap. You've opened my eyes and now know where I'm at. You'd think by now they would have rectified their serious cockup!
I’m sorry to hear that. I went through the same thing. It is very frustrating because I watched Matt Dobbers videos where he showed a precision group. It was like five shots and may be a 3/8 inch hole. I get i’m sorry to hear that. I went through the same thing. It is very frustrating because I watched Matt Dobbers videos where he showed a precision group. It was like five shots and may be a 3/8 inch hole. I get the slug liners and it’s entered a half 200 100 yards on my channel. I did get one liner to shoot savanna my way but it was a 30 Cal which is inherently more accurate and it took me eight hours to get that out of that barrel, and I will never do another one. it’s sad at FX has conned people out of their money and given them and in theory or shooting product.
I'd just love to see you compete in a competition. Put your money where your mouth is and show us how good your gun and barrels are. I've got a wildcat mk2 and it's pellet on pellet accurate.
And still the dude claims that your barrel is crap.... I feel that I got dumber watching this video 😂
Did you even watch the video? He said pellets no problem. Slugs, problem.
Oh boy... 🙈 Watching this was like walking behind a herd of elephants, knee deep in bull£%!?
Well get out there and shoot your 200 yard group with slugs let’s see what you got I think you’re the one standing in the bullshit you’ve been conned by a company for their own profit I guarantee you your gun can’t shoot even close to a Walther barrel you prove it wrong you’re the guy with a big mouth start proving
@user-fz8fy4zl1cfrom what I've seen most of us fx guys have a collection of various guns from a bunch of different manufacturers. If we weren't happy with FX's performance, why would we continue shooting them.
I'll put my FX Streamline .22 against your Walther any day.
And I'm prepared to put $ up.
Let's make it happen.
@@joshuagibson2520 get a independent shooter, take my rifle and the Lowther Walther barrel rifle, he shoots both, this eliminates a better shooter and the better more consistent rifle wins.
agreed 100%
We will help on this
Prove your claims and show us your trophies...don't talk smack about someone who has more knowledge and experience than yourself
Everyone dosen't shoot for trophies.
Some of the best snipers I know don't care about competition shooting.
@@heithwatkins you can't call out someone who has used the fx barrels in comp and placed on the podium multiple times without being able to back up your claims...also sniping is completely different to airgun target shooting
@@heithwatkins let's not talk comp shooting then,how about this clown doing any actual valid accuracy tests...shoot some paper,do some hunting or ANYTHING to back your claims. Matt has put out a lot of long range videos using all kinds of fx barrels,he's proven they're good,Rmac was won by what? An fx...this guy has NO evidence to back his claims
Where i can buy Poly barel Non Choke ? & this work for cal .177 ???
Can you recommend a slug barrel for an LCS SK 19. The one I comes with is fine for pellets but the twist rate is too fast for slugs. Thanks for your time.
I would love to get info on getting a Walther barrel for my maverick 35cal impact...do you know how I can get one ..ty.
Prof Brian Cox said our ability to store and transfer knowledge is what took us from caveman to spaceman. Any knowledge on this complex subject(PCPs) is valuable to all of us who are interested. I thoroughly enjoy learning all I can about the physics involved. Hooray for youtube videos like yours and others.
2 years ago I did not even know what a PCP was. I have since bought several FX rifles and have shot over 15000 rounds through them. I have also devoured youtube reviews on different air rifles. I have never seen any groups from any gun approaching a quarter MOA (1 MOA equals1,047 inches at 100 yds) at any distance. Especially not 10 shot groups. Not Huben, Daystate, RTI, or any others. Many have had Lothar Walter barrels. I don't claim these groups don't exist just have not seen any from hundreds of videos. The tendencies with groupings seem to be similar for all the rifles in terms of typically not being able to improve on approx 0,75 to 1 MOA including for FX. Most groups are worse. I also notice most have the odd flyer which is why I personally prefer 10 shot plus groups to see how many flyers over a larger shot count. Make no mistake FX also has flyers but I haven't seen it's worse than other rifles.
. If you achieve quarter MOA consistently without rifle-induced flyers I cannot wait to find how you achieve it and I'm sure the airgun enthusiasts out there feel the same.
As far as the points you have made about the flaws in the FX barrel design and manufacture clearly this is true. FX is aware of these hence the release of carbon tubes to stiffen the liners and the research in adding barrel stiffening sleeves. It makes sense that they will improve accuracy and reduce POI changes from barrel shifting which is one of my personal complaints with these rifles.. My best results with my unmodified rifles are 0,63 MOA with slugs and 0.6 MOA with pellets at 71 yds. The best of hundreds of 10 plus round groups
The changing size inside the liners as the projectile moves down the barrel I cannot comment on in terms of both physical or the effect thereof. What I can say to your statement about introducing harmonics is that I think it can only affect the amplitude, not the actual frequency of the harmonic. Depending on various factors it could reduce and increase the amplitude as it disengages and reengages the barrel each time. This is obviously a complex subject and is beyond my knowledge.
What attracted me to FX the most is the repeated claim from what appears to be reliable sources (eg, Teds Hoidover) that the barrel does not have to be repeatedly cleaned to maintain accuracy. My own experience is this is true, however, a change in projectile requires about 10 shots before the barrel "settles" with the leading and becomes consistent.
As far as to hammer friction I think your claim of inconsistency needs elaboration. Friction per se is not the cause of inconsistency If the friction stays the same each time no inconsistency will be introduced. I cannot comment on whether it does or not but don't think it would be the same every time.. A good polish of the hammer and sleeve will probably reduce inconsistency to negligible amounts.
I notice you were measuring a 2-year-old barrel. I believe the Superior barrel was subsequently released and these are more precise, with improved manufacturing equipment being used. I don't know if measurement will improve.
At least one of the Huben reviews has shot strings and the speed variable is above 10fps.
You claim that FX is a 100 yd barrel and not a 200yd barrel is in my opinion is an incorrect statement unless the rifle has introduced instability into the projectile that only starts beyond 100 meters. Unless affected by wind or some other cause of instability ( eg spin rate) 1 MOA at 100 is 1MOA at all distances once the projectile has left the barrel. If I'm wrong please explain, remember I'm kind of a novice
I look forward to your further videos. Show us the consistent quarter MOA groups with no flyers and I will definitely be one of the first to make one happen for myself
I believe hammerless is the future and most rifles will be built like that eventually including FX
I would like to make the South African video guys aware of your channel. Things should get interesting. Let's hope you guys can bang the knowledge and facts around to the benefit of us all without any personal issues.
In .22LR it's very easy to have a 100 yard rifle but to have a consistent 200 yard rifle is another thing.
Savage,CZ and Ruger all mass produce 100 yard rifles, if you want 200 yard .22LR your talking Voodoo and probably a few other $1000 plus rifles.
Takes a lot to jump from 100 to 200 yards and be consistent.
Did you check your line or did you push a slug or pellet through it. The best thing you can do for yourself if you wanna shoot really tight groups just get a better barrel fit to your gun and when you do that I guarantee you will message me and tell me how much butter and how much more consistent your groups are. F ask products throw flyers with slugs all the time. That is because of Poor manufacturing process and the fact that the barrel needs a very tight choke. They have to be tight choked to overcome all the deviations that are caused to the slug from the inconsistent barrel diameter. Like me you saw a video showing a really tight tight group . So you bought the gun and now you’re into it and you’re kind of stuck. I would suggest getting yourself a gauntlet or an avenger and using my videos to polish and remove any inconsistencies which are much smaller and deviation matter of fact microscopic compared to an fx. And once you take that entry level gun as they call them so they can sell their expensive stuff and you tune it properly you’re going to see how much better accuracy can be achieved. The fact is their liner is a weak system and they hide it. Anybody who shoots for them on TH-cam is not allowed to show groups. At over 100 yards one out of four slugs will hit the target sometimes you’ll get lucky and two are 4 Will hit the target. That is simply not acceptable. These guys talk about ethical shooting. How are you going to shoot ethically if you yourself just said that you get tons of flyers. Go get yourself a Walther polygon barrel if you’re shooting slugs no choke barrel and you will be shooting a half inch group at 100 yards.
I’ve been into guns for 45 years I watched my father a master gunsmith work on these barrels there is an anything anybody is going to tell me about barrels I have more than proven myself and I will tell you this don’t care what you say about your barrel it’s crap get a better barrel and you’ll be much happier your flyers will go away
Just for example, my Fx Panthera 500 shoots jsb 18.13 .22’s into 1/4” at 50 meters.
Thats half MOA
@@alanmeyers3957
ok so a few problems with this video. first off drill bit ..... they get used and go dull. a slight deviation from a dull bit will cause holes to not be straight anymore its called walking.
second fault in this video is the measurement on the barrels. not once did we see a measurement from your callipers not is it likely to be calibrated.
thirdly i heard a comment about flyers. flyers are mainly caused by a mis-shapen skirt/pellet if theres a fault in the gun it will be consistent.
you claim to have more than 10 fx guns. if theyare so terrible why by more of them.
really pulling a huben out and calling it THE GUN. ive got socks that hold air better. 2 mags and they drop all their air and they cant be fixed by a local repair shop.
on the topic of slugs did you try different brands ? different weights ? cant just say they dont shoot slugs if you havnt tried a few variants.
and then you admit to buying all your guns broken for half the price so you dont even know whats been shoved up the barrels or how old they are.
as far as the barrel moving, its a floating barrel its gonna move abit.
Why not enter all the shooting competitions if you are such a dead eye ?
Sounds like a paid political announcement
Valid point… i noticed some terrible drag in my fx impact .22 i had to polish it to get it shooting half decent..
I’m still fairly new to air guns and watch videos to give me insight. Now you have me curious if I can use a different brand barrel on my less expensive rifle it make it a better consistent shooter without having to spend a lot of money on an expensive rifle.
Seen lots of air gun utubers commenting/talking about the good and bad side of a specific airgun. But it seemed to me your whole aim is to discredit the FX Airguns products.
Hi, how can I get in contact with you?
Do you have a website?
Jimcooper9067@gmail.com I look forward to hearing from you!
Are you sure they drill the liners?
;-)
Sir. May i ask how you feel about the aea challenger 357s?
Yes yes yes, this is what I WAS WAITING FOR!! I want to build a Avenger with s Lothar Walther polygonal Barrel.
Still have a shit trigger
@@drekceldude I don’t want spend too much on a pcp. I just want too shoot slugs @ 200m and hunt
@@kamikazehunter I have the Avenger in .25 and it shoots NSA slugs pretty good, I haven't shot it out to 200 yards but for a $300 rifle, it's a lotta fun.
@@drekceldude were only allowed to get .22’s here in South-Africa without a firearm license. We have a local Airgun dealer Douxsilensers. He’s made bottle adapters for the Avenger. Looks pretty sweet. I’ll send you the link.
enough talking shoot on paper!
It seems you may need to spend some more time in the machine shop. Drill bits do have some “give” and as another viewer commented drill drifting is also another issue to contend with. This is true even when using large drills. It is also possible for the material bow when hogging out the initial hole. This can be caused by the relationship between tool feed pressure and a dull drill. It doesn’t matter if it’s a modern carbide insert drill or a standard drill, eventually the cutting edge does deteriorate. Although for production purposes most efficient manufacturing processes use a non-traditional drill with carbide inserts to effectively move a lot of material when boring the initial hole.
I won’t even get into your method measuring the ID of the barrels with the $10 Harbor freight calipers (not a mic). Bottom line is there’s a certain way to call somebody out that has established a reputation for them self. In any industry the unspoken understanding is the same. This was not the way to do it. Most viewers watching both sides of this this are disappointed in both of you. Because this is petty.
We weren’t talking about drifting we were talking about the bed flexing I half inch supposedly in the center of the barrel and then when I got to end the end of the barrel it’s centered itself again so both ends centered And the metal was three eights inch off I call bullshit that can’t happen that will never happen don’t tell me you’re a machinist you can have drift you could start at the center on one end and be a quarter inches off on the other end but what you will not have is a bowl in the middle
Is this Shannon Stone of Utah airguns Or was it affects USA I can’t remember
All you have to do is push a slug through the barrel or a pallet I told everybody you don’t need the mudroom you just need to push it through right sharing of fx And the only reason you guys are commenting which is stupid at this point it’s because people saw my video check the barrels and you are losing tons of business because of facts I told people not to trust me don’t take my word for a check at yourself and they did in your junk they don’t want any more
A drill bit is not the tool of choice for removing a choke. You need a tapered ream with the final o.d. at or just shy of your finished land i.d. A ream will much more accurately follow the existing bore without deviation.
Then lap and polish it in for a proper choke removal.
No it’s not but how about the guys who don’t have a machine shop what do you use your ears I made the videos for guys who do not have a machine shop and you know what it works just as good as putting a barrel on my lathe
I got a poly from LW in .357 for my Impact, 1:16. Just need someone to turn it.
Was going to get a impact but now not so sure. I need a slug shooter in 22 with big power What would recommend please... Was that a Hatsan? Respect from UK
Get a impact they shoot slugs superbly
@@airriflehunter87 Thank you ...its just this vid on their barrels shocked me a bit.
@@Supracrm This guy is so obviously biased this video is just a hater report. Look at the results of this weekends RMAC, see how these liners did against LW, CZ and others. Actions speak louder than biased words.
Dude watch Matt Dubber's channel (AirArmsHuntingSA) if you want to see what Impacts can really do.
@@Supracrm you good go to a factory of any item and find the odd discrepancy with a few things . It’s human and machine errors. It’s happens .
To say there barrels don’t work is the most hilarious thing I have heard .
There brilliant and had a fair few rifles myself
Thanks for punching high and with the TKO. I have an avenger I will be polishing the barrel on when the knowledge is presented.
I've drilled very tough materials with lathes and milling machines. Yes drill bits can bend. Second thing measuring with the caliper on inside diameter is only so accurate. That's why there are bore gauges and micrometers. And before someone asks I have never nor do I own an FX
Why pellets do not need any harmonic tuning as opposite to slugs?
I used to me a gunsmith and have shortened plenty of barrels and found both drilled and hammer forged barrels that were off center. On firearms that the barrel heats up it causes more problems than in airguns.
Note that a properly drilled barrel is counter bored where the blank is turning one direction and the boring bit is ALSO turning the other direction so it tends to self center. Unfortunately those machines are becoming rare I guess
@@bobjoatmon1993 I agree they can be off-center, but what Matthew said was the ends were centered, but when he cut the barrel in the middle, it was off-center, so he saying that the drill bit itself bent in the middle and then came back to center. It made no sense.
Do you have an FX air rifle?
@@bobjoatmon1993 you know the funny thing is. We’ve got Walther they’ve been around how long very long time. We’ve got CZ who makes the best barrels of any of the older manufacturers. Any of their AR rifles shoot a half inch group at 100 yards. I have seen them shoot a 3 inch group at 500 yards with the epic two that has a CZ barrel, and that was with slugs. But then we have these Chinese companies who are relatively new to the market. Under 10 years experience making barrels. But they really pushed hard. Rifling depth ,width. Testing all different groove in land counts. And wind in that short time they have become one of the best barrel makers.Huben and AEA . Snow peak. Or just some of the guns. Check out my video, most accurate slug, air gun in the world. Any rifle I have air rifle shoots a half inch or under at 100 yards with slugs at 1100 FPS or faster. I’ve got a new video coming out on my K1. Sheets under a half inch at 1140 FPS at 100 yards.
@@amazingairguns6350 and yet, I've turned barrel blanks that the bore hole was centered on both ends yet when I cut them to length, the hole WAS off center. That's why it's important to pay the extra for 'gaged barrels' where bore trueness has been checked optically. A lot of gunsmiths just put the barrel between centers and do whatever taper or OD reduction is required but that barrel will never be as inherently accurate as one that was straight bored to begin with.
Like I said, for deep boring of barrels and artillery, the work turns one direction and the 'drill', the boring tool turns the opposite direction (a standard lathe doesn't do this, the work turns but the drill / boring bar stays stationary in the tailstock AND IS PRONE TO WALK) and the forces that cause walking csncel each other.
Hammer forged barrels have issues too, there may be hard and soft spots in the tubing used so it comes out bent, the manufacturer straightens it but it will not be as accurate as one that forges straight.
I have 5 FX liners in .25 and one is total crap, I even called them in Europe to discuss the issues as I believe bits a QC failure and wanted to send it to them to evaluate (but couldn't because of US federal 'arms shipments' law, couldn't find a workaround that didnt require too much expense and paperwork, wasn't worth it) and maybe get it replaced so it does happen. I have one that was excellent, I then proceeded to use the carbon fiber sleeve and FULLY epoxy the liner, sleeve, barrel housing into one monolith mass, then epoxy an over sleeve on top of that and its super stiff so much less harmonic vibration and better consistency.
@@amazingairguns6350 yes, a FX Maverick, Wildcat and a Impact M3
Lol. Love your channel. Never owned an fx. I want a pcp with a barrel minimum. A liner doesn't meet my minimum requirements.
Hi guys
I see both sides , I think it would be wise fir fx to go down the solid barrel route , as a liner then barrel tensioner then a harmonic tuner at the front then a barrel tensioner at the rear ….
Would a solid barrel sort this out ????
I’ve seen a LW barrel on a fx produce better groups my self .
I’m not pro LW as I have 4 CZ guns and you simply can’t beat them !!
All the best 😎
I would like to see how to polish barrel... Cant wait to see...!
Thanks for the info. I do have a fx impact with 800mm .22 and .25 slug barrel and they both shoot sub moa at 100.
I have an FX Crown MK2 .25 and an FX Impact .25, I consistently shoot starlings and pigeons out beyond 200+ yards. FX makes absolutely beautiful looking and superbly accurate guns. With as much production that they have, There is bound to be a lemon once in awhile. It happens. Unfortunately. I however, received rifles that don't have any accuracy problems. Granted...when I first started shooting slugs I couldnt get a good group to save my life...until I really started to understand how to tune my rifles, I eventually found the tune that has my guns so accurate, its utterly shocking at how accurate they are. I'm sorry but this gentlemen at first sounded like he had some interesting and helpful advice, but after watching quite a few of his videos it really starts to sound like he's whining and complaining and just flat out bashing FX. There's a reason Air Rifle competitions around the world are being won with FX air rifles. It's not a fluke. It's because they make incredible, accurate, cutting edge air rifles.
I'm also very interested to see concurrent video footage from any Air Weapon you choose to shoot, from Scope Cam and simultaneous Target cam, for each of three shooters shooting 100yd and 200yds. Yourself, Keith Gibson and Matt Dubber, with an independent Range Team. I'd like very much to see your 1/2" groups at 100 yds with and Airgun. And as for your references to the other reputable content creators, who built their formidable competition results and subsequent online media followings predominantly using FX product; In every video I've watched they all admit to "missing" a fair few shots honestly and openly.
So you can’t see a shooting through the scope so you’re saying I’m a liar well tell you what why don’t you message 68 whiskey I’m not far from them tell him I’ll do a competition with him will do this face-to-face we can dig a hole because that’s where you could throw that our fax when I’m done with it right in it’s grave. I’ll use him to get my message out there and to be one of the biggest on TH-cam so yeah message him tell him I can do a friendly competition 200 yards with slugs I’m gonna load his magazine he’s going to load mine and then we’re gonna shoot to 25 calibers 200 yards and mine are all going to be in an inch and a quarter group
@@amazingairguns6350 You have an interesting communication style sir!
Nowhere did I write - You J Cooper aka "extreme airguns" are a liar.
Let me be crystal clear for you. I am not employed by you. My services and time are not contracted to you nor by you. I am therefore not obligated (nor am I inclined) to follow orders directed at me by you, nor complete tasks directed or instructed by you. Refrain from issuing instructions to me and directing orders at me. They will be ignored,
(Alternatively I could furnish you with a Contract and Billing Information, with non negotiable Terms and Conditions. Fees for my time are payable in advance. But I have ZERO interest in working with or for you at this point in time)
If you don't live "far" from Mr Gibson, perhaps you could message him yourself. My personal advice to you would be DON"T make unsolicited contact with anyone. A word of considered advise to you about contacting people, either private citizens or public entities: Ensure your tone and demeanour is non-threatening in every possible way and that meets that Legal Definition in Law.
(In my opinion, I doubt Mr Gibson would have any interest in assisting you become any sort of "Influencer" on this or any other platform nor be "used" by you in any capacity.)
I'll watch a competition run under the conditions I stated. As for who loads whose magazines; You load your own under supervision or they are loaded by independents and handed to you.
With regards to ranging through a scope - I'm pretty comfortable myself with Milli Radians and Minutes of Angle, whether that be on a Theodolite or a Weapons Platform Optic. I've been shooting for over 40 years sir.
I trust I have covered each point you chose to write to me about. If you have any concerns, or find you have some additional thoughts you'd appreciate corresponding with me about, please address me in a considered and considerate manner and I'll respond in kind.
I have found through training and experience, removing and excluding emotions from correspondence and conflict, (no matter how serious or intense,) leads to a far more reasoned dialogue and conclusion.
P.S. I find it interesting my Original Post no longer appears in this comment section.
Why would I do that I shoot it on the skull cam leave the camera on take it off the gun show you the gun and show you where the target is it would be stupid for me to do it the other way that’s how you get tricked by all these a holes shooting and cheating and making these guns look like something they’re not so you buy them.
If you dont like fx then don’t buy one! I own air arms, Diana model 54, marauder, talon ss condor…I like them all but maybe I’m the lucky one because my mk2 impact and m3 are more accurate than ant of those guns. I still enjoy shooting all of them, but if you told me pick one to hit the bulls it would be one my impacts. I like the adjustability
Watch the FX factory tour video. They have an employee that has an arbor press and dial indicator. He says that he has to straighten the barrels because they come in bent. Lol. Great FX Quality 🤔
You should go to RMAC, and extreme bench rest challenge, show everybody what you got.
That’s the plan I’m going to shoot every competition even if it’s not legal I’m gonna shoot 300 yards with all the big guns am I 300 yard group is going to be an inch and 3/4 yeah I’m going .Let’s see if they’re gonna let me shoot my gun and most of those competitions let’s see what happens when I show up then we’re going to see the fax and wait one thing hundred yard group I’m not shooting pallets I’m shooting slugs my K-1 shooter one whole group at 100 yards with 44 green slugs so yeah oh I’ll be there
Why don’t you message Dobber and tell him I’ll be there for him with his lies about all the different barrels not working good
@@amazingairguns6350 so I messaged Matt, he said he'll meet you at high noon...
He does not have guts to do it he is useless
@devroRR the bad thing is, the guy does have a lot of experience, knowledge and wisdom, but he negates it all by being an ass, and inappropriately calling out people when he is simply wrong. It is sad really, and is what's worse, is he takes the attention he has gotten and thinks it is validation. Oh well
Thank you for your thought provoking video. I have four .25 cal 600mm FX barrel liners. I checked visually and pushed through with slugs. I may just be lucky, but all of my FX barrel liners are without flaw and slugs (although tight) push through consistently. I own other high end air rifles with conventional barrels and for their purpose work very well. It’s the flexibility my FX Crown and Impact provide me that is most enjoyable. I can plink, target shoot, pest in close quarters, and hunt small to medium game over distance with confidence. Maybe you should stop buying broken shit and buy some good kit. Just saying. 😉
Let me tell you something little boy you think I’m dumb I’ve owned over 15 of those barrels everyone is flawed Mr. Rowe hast to dig through hundreds to get the ones with the lease defects . Once again tell Matthew I said he’s a liar. And let me tell you what a good gun is my P 12 with a 15 inch barrel I get over 40 shots like 49 shots 50 shots at 1080 ft./s with 21 grain slugs under a half inch at 100 yards shoot 200 yards with that gun and hit squirrels and I’m done talking like an a fax where it takes three or four shots to hit I’m talking side on the squirrel one shot and it’s done you know if you’re shooting far How many shots does it take you Chris with confidence huh with those junk barrels 2 inch group at 100 yards with slugs. Tell Matthew I got more videos coming for him the same thing to stop he lied and he still lying and FX is perpetuating it so this is just begun.
@@amazingairguns6350 mate - you certainly sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. I’m sorry, but I’ve watched your videos and you have nothing worthwhile to say. So the best way I can respond to an angry and baseless little man like you is to unsubscribe and block you.
I’ve got three barrels and everyone of them has the flaws that’s why I don’t use them they’re junk. I do realize you’re doing that for Matthew Dubber and that’s OK. My button rifled barrels have proven their accuracy. It is a fact that button rifling is more accurate than pressing rifling from the outside. The tubes that those barrels are made of or not perfect so you have an inconsistency in your inner rifling diameter. I guess what I’m saying is you’re lying. And another issue is the choke get up there on TH-cam watch air Hunter Girard or Matt Dubber and watch their slugs spiraling. And the spiral comes from the very poorly manufactured barrels. Slugs cannot be shot accurately through a chalk that is a fact. I suggest you get yourself a Walther button rifle barrel or a poly barrel no choke If you are shooting slugs and you will see the accuracy. The best you’re going to get out of an FX liner is an inch and a half at 100 yards.
You know you’re full of shit. You’re pissed off because you bought that overprice shit too. That junk I will I’ll shoot that FX with my cheap Chinese gun any day of the week do you want to shoot a competition and post it on TH-cam I’m there
Do you know what’s stupid is defending a shit product because you own it. You see that’s why Matt Dubber was hired to go after younger guys. Because they’ll buy extras for they’re gun . And because of the lack of knowledge don’t protector gun it’s like a cult thing. I guarantee you that you come against this old man your groups are going to be embarrassing
I've only just come across your Chanel... never seen you before.. but boy I'm listening very closely... do other company's make aftermarket barrels to fit fx ??? I'm about to get the new bt wildcat sniper... and I'd like a realy good barrel for slugs...
Thank you I haven’t done any videos in two years. I’m doing one tomorrow and then I’ll try to answer all questions that anyone has that are left in the comment section. I’ll either answer them there or I can do a video.
It finally dawned on me to go faster. The gun is capable of 1260 FPS. I’m gonna show the changes I made in a gun not big changes just spring reach little bit heavier spring.
What edgun is that? With the wooden stock?
Please vid your EdGun grouping at 100 yds!
I would also like to see the “1/2 inch” at 100 on vid from your ED-gun
If you bought all your FX airguns "broken", how do you know the previous owner did not screw them up?
I also would like to see the video how to polish my liner.
Pretty sure the only thing this guy polishes is his tiny knob.
Back here in India the hoards of folks that bought impacts would rather have a root canal than a FX ,there is truth to what you speak of fx impacts and their liners .You should be proud of the courage to call them out
@@maverick4me my channel is amazing airguns The reason I call them out is because I bought eight of their guns because of Matt dubber, saying how accurate they were, and showing the target of a one whole group. Which was not true I got the guns they were terrible. They shot so terrible that I had no choice, but to make my first video the truth about fx liners
@@maverick4me awesome you already saw my video
@@maverick4me what kind of guns do you have?
I would like to of seen you put an endoscope through the barrels to see the inconsistency of the high and low spots inside of which you are talking about.
How reliable is your caliper?
Not very..its a cheap harbor freight product, and he doesn't know how to use it
Yeah I love the bobcat to.. Beautifull rifle waited a while to get my hands on a second hand one.
why are there so manny holes in the ceiling on the background?
My M3 IMPACT shoots so perfect that amazes me, STX or heavy liner.
Both are incredibly, incredibly tight from 18gr all the way to 40+ gr.
Its crazy to bash their liners and guns like this.
I agree with the harmonics you've mentioned tho. I can't argue.
If they are Soo perfect then they should be allowed to have scrutiny.If it sticks it must be true if it doesn't then ohwell..If they so perfect why have mk1 MK2 @mk3... Obviously even FX believes it can be improved on.
the guys a Dusch bag
Super interesante, me he suscrito, tengo un impact M3 6,35 y quiero mecanizar un cañón bueno....pero por falta de conocimientos no me he atrevido, me aconsejas algún cañón realmente bueno? Un saludo desde España
Iv had my m3 22 stx superior barrel with zero issues. Iv put 3500 pellets and 2000 fx hybrid slugs through this gun without a single flaw. I'm lost to what your griping about.
Looking forward to seeing the Avenger! Especially the polish and lapping
Same here just got it Saturday looking forward to playing with it
He says it all with conviction, I'll give him that! I have a dreamline and a diana outlaw, the outlaw shoots slugs terrible while the fx shoots them pretty good. Neither one will group pellets at 100yds like the RWS 54 airking, the recoiless springer I have. I've spent a lifetime shooting NRA rifle silhouette, NBRSA benchrest and now NRL22, my air rifles have always been practice guns for real gun competitions. Unless you can't legally own real firearms not sure what the point of a 30 caliber airgun is especially if it's loud, thinking a 308 might be a better choice.
Yep interested in learning how to polish a barrel.
I took you at faith and bought a lothar walther barrelled rifle, I shot it A LOT when it was fully run in I put it against my FX Crown .22 running at 31 FPE, not even a comparison at 150 yards, I'll keep the FX thanks, maybe if I sell the Walther I'll buy another FX, you obviously hold your knowledge of air rifles a lot higher than you should, after shooting all calibers in firearms and air rifles for over 55 year's I can tell you, you know s#it about air guns boy.
Faith, faith in what you have the worst barrel on the market, unless you’re shooting pallets, because of forgiving those barrels can’t even come close. And another thing is I’ll be doing a video on pressures why pressures makes such an enormous difference.
You must be one of the assholes who blows Matt dubber. I enjoy very much your whiny little bitch ass complaining little children. That’s exactly why I do this the way I do to get you assholes out in the open.
My Fx impact barrel gets fouled up with lead after every 50 shots.
@@threekblack217 are you shooting slugs, or pellets?
@@threekblack217 you can get a CZ barrel they are incredible. They’re better than Walther. I did fix one of my minors. It was a 30 cow. It’s up there too and video.
I haven’t seen to many ED Guns winning RMAC . Ted Bier used to shoot ED Guns a lot but he has won RMAC but with .25 Cal FX Impact . I have a mk || and it is aTack Driver .also have a much forgotten Streamline in .22 shoots lights out and I’m a vermin controller for our local Council. Go Fx the Best. Cheers Dean
so why does skout use fx liners?
@@NickM-x2t scout makes their own liners. You get three when you buy one of their air rifles with different depths of rifling. And there’s are made of aluminum. With a hardened coating. And their guns have done nothing in competition . They were claiming how are they were going to be the best and they’ve done nothing.
@@amazingairguns6350 those Walther barrels from what i seen lately dont shoot much better im talking 2023-2024
@ you have to lap and polish them, and then they do. The same thing with CZ barrels. They are incredible to you get a half inch group at 100 yards with slugs out of their barrels and if you polish and lamp them you’re well under a half inch there incredible.
@@amazingairguns6350 why don't you measure the liner on both ends vs 2 different liners? how about measuring some Lother and cz barrels without polishing? you know why they do the same thing prove me wrong, I will be waiting for the video
@ it is a fact that conventionally made rifle barrels are more accurate. It’s a fact. When you try to press in the rifling from the outside you get inconsistencies. Especially when the liner tubes are not totally true and they’re not so you’ll get up to a 4000s deviation from pressing in the rifling from the outside it’s a fact. Why do you think slug liners and pallet liners? Have to have a choke. In case you didn’t know a lot of pellet rifles are coming up without chokes now do you wanna know why because the accuracy of making the barrels has come around and you no longer need to have a choke to overcome in consistencies. Chokes on pellet rifles was needed in the 1930s it isn’t anymore because of how quality made the barrels are the cooling is better the model is better. The machines are better. Chinese companies that have been around for eight years or make them barrels better than Walther CZ and anyone out there. Ask yourself why why is it so easy for them to do. And their guns are running circle around FX. That company is a joke and if you look at the resale values now they’re plummeting. People have finally woken up to that garbage and that’s a fact if you don’t wanna believe it so be it. But I’ll tell you what I’ll make a video when you make a video of your 100 yard group with your junk gun and then I’ll make one the counter it all my guns shoot under a half inch group at 100 yards and you will never come close.
I’m not an FX fan boy by a damn site or any other brand for that matter. I have many PCPs and to be very honest the top 3 most accurate airguns I own are in this order. My LCS Air Arms SK-19 in .25 with a Polygonal barrel My .25 caliber Air Venturi/Nova Vista Avenger in .25 caliber. My Nova Vista Liberty in .22 caliber. My SK-19 hasn’t found a slug that it likes to date but FX .34 grain pellets drive tacks. The Nova Vista barrels including the Avenger have uncrowned barrels that shoot slugs and pellets awesomely. 75 yards with both the Liberty and The Avenger hold nickel size groups per magazine. The SKs poly barrel send pigeons to the afterlife well past 100 yards and then some. JSB .34 grain in the SK shotgun pattern compared to the FX .34 grain pellets however. They are NOT the same by any means in my barrel. Thanks for this video. Very eye opening. Thank you so much.
Watch out.
The FX butt boys get their feelings hurt real easy.
@@heithwatkins don't they just. Its laughable really
@@heithwatkins also what speaks volumes is when they post videos up of a few long range kills they expect people to say "wow, amazing" etc. But when a non youtuber posts videos of outstanding shooting etc not ONE of those TH-camrs would comment. Why i wonder. We all know theres always another more capable, that's life. But when someone does well these ass TH-camrs show no respect as they feel threatened by it. How come the harmonic tuner or carbon sleeve entries didnt do well?
@@precisionairgunninghunting6265 Your right.
Several people have told me about the so called FX fan boys.
Two people in particular said they made a comment about FX. Then they were cursed out and even had racial insults thrown at them by numerous FX fan boys.
They tried to gang up and bully me personally in this very comment section.
I had to literally fight many of them at once. They called me names but then act hurt when I responded in kind.
If I owned FX I would denounce them all. People are turned off with this (bully) behavior and may not buy products from FX because of it.
No company wants men acting like children representing their products.
God bless you brother. Have a great day. 👍
@@heithwatkins i totally agree, when you ask questions or give advice they become like spoilt children & start attacking you in a gang, what makes me laugh is when they tag their mates, thats because they have no answer so hope their buddy will. But Never works. I only speak the truth & not out to make friends. I doit as a job which I enjoy. FX do NOT need these unprofessional idiots attacking possible customers. Stay safe
At least this inconsistent FX barrels/liners, as you say, won Keith Gibson “68Whiskey” $21,000 at RMAC soo yeaaa… i think Matt is talking crap about them 😂
If you shoot enough and put in the time. You can get any gun to preform. My Gauntlet will shoot just as accurate as my BSA R10SE. But the Gauntlet only likes JSB pellets.
How do you know which barrel to use in a competition ?! ;)
Because he's had many barrels and selected the right one.
@@antomarkic7190 Use the accurate one.
@@heithwatkins You just let the cat out of the bag. You have to put in the time, learn your gun and shoot shoot shoot.
I love your Harbor Freight calipers!
I am planing on building a gun have some old parts I am thing of using. But not sure which old parts r good ones
Could I talk to u on what r the best parts to use in designing a gun which old parts I should use and which I should not use
Totalmente de acuerdo contigo...mi fx m3 solo va bien con balines, los slug no agrupan. También decir que no tienes seguridad con ellos en los primeros disparos. Como base para carabina está bien, pero debería cambiar el cañón por otro ....los alfa precisión están dando buenos resultados....tú que harías cambiar la carabina o poner otro cañón? No me gusta como va aunque hasta 120m con jsb King heavy va bien...34 grains. Un saludo, lo dicho me encanta el vídeo, totalmente de acuerdo
Barrel quality is paramount. I'm a huge fan of the .22cal CZs (12 groove, 45cm twist), they require the least amount of polishing (bores are close to flawless from the factory).
I also agree that there are velocity sweet spots for a given barrel twist / barrel spec and projectile. It's been more apparent for me with smaller slugs (sectional densities and weight), like my gen6 Huben K1 with the 28.5gr Varmint Knockers. Everyone seemed to settle on 1050-1060, but that barrel is most accurate shooting them at 1100 (+/-5FPS). Love the K1, had to do some barrel work and have yet to install a custom mag that I got from Kelly & Dale Riggert's design, but tweaking the factory mag chambers allowed me to shoot sub-MOA with only ~2 sketchy mag chambers.
My Taipan "Supervet" builds in .22 are ferocious, and they can push 40+ grain RBTs at just under 130FPE (but I chamber them for the 40gr Griffins and tune them for high transonic). I stopped using FX liners in my higher power builds, because they did not hold up for me over time. I have some very accurate FX liners in other rifles that have held up great though.
Testing some custom LW poly barrels this week, and then I'm moving on to more R&D with .22 rimfire barrels. Shilen & TJs are on the menu 😎
I’ve seen you up there on our donation mountain ghost yeah I agree I agree with the 12 groove Matthew Dubber said those are terrible and I happen to know how extremely accurate those are he said those barrels are no good past 100 yards that’s a lie and keep us informed on your Walther poly barrels because I’m putting one on my huben I have a 2018 model that was a Lothar Walther choked barrel the choke is cut off so the barrels like 17 inches now. So I’m putting a Walther poly 24 inch barrel on it no choke. Please keep us informed on your build very interested I’ve seen you up there you got some great builds . And this is what the sport is supposed to be about sharing with other people true knowledge not spreading lies to sell guns FX is it a monster who only cares about profit the best thing they can do for them sophist start using Walther poly but you say that would cost them money it cost them five dollars a barrel to make
Check out my video where I fixed the FX liner I had to make a lapping tool first I made it out of lead I poured it in the barrel the old-school way took that out sandcast a brass tool smoothing it out it was a lot of work then I pressed it through so the barrel was true all the way down there were no more inconsistencies. I started shooting it and it was still 2 1/2 inch group. So I started cutting the choke off 1/64 at a time it ended up being about 3/8 of it cut off and if you watch my group they’re all going and a half inch it was .4 so I fix the liner but the thing is it’s too much work. I couldn’t offer that service to people because of how many different twist rates they have I’d have to make a tool for every liner every six hours of work people are better off just going and getting a Lothar Walther poly barrel in machining at the fit the gun. Ozark Mountain air guns He put a Walther poly on his impact and at 100 yards of shoot and a quarter inch group it’s unbelievable
Do me a favor mountain ghost watch Matt Dobbers three videos on Huben And really pay attention and listen super close and rewind and watch again if you have to and then I want you to tell me what you think please do me that favor.
I’m gonna drill the choke off this gun tomorrow off my Edgun . Because a lot of people don’t have the option of taking a gun to a machine shop or doing up them selves like we do. Watch my P 12 shoot that hundred yard group at .413. I noticed when I shot a group that was 1.2 I put a slug down the barrel and there was about a quarter inch at the end of the barrel where the slug slid easier. And I got five kids here so it’s hard for me to get downstairs and get the barrel on the live so I drilled a half inch right. And I figure if it works I’ll just cut the remainder that’s hanging out off and then I’ll thread the end of the barrel. I take the gun out and I should .413 I am not even cutting off the old threads for the suppressor I’m leaving it right where it is. So then I tried the same thing on a Walther maxima Thor that I have 25 Cal. And the gun shoots a little over a half inch group at 100 yards now all they did was drill it finish it really nice. And there’s a kind of funny story with it about using stones I’m gonna shoot the video tomorrow I hope you watch it. I custom size the stone to go in the end of the barrel where I drilled. I was using another Stone to shape it it took like 20 minutes to get it to the shape and size. So I put it in the end of the barrel where I had it drilled and I barely touch the crown to clean it up right. I take the gun out and shoot it and it’s like a sex change group I’m like what the hell. So I figure I got a hit the crown more I’m going to look at the stone if I had that thing in there 20 seconds it was a lot it actually cut Stone down and dug into the rifling so I had to drill it back another quarter inch and make a tool to re-crown go inside that hole and re-crown. And once I did that spot on. All the stuff I’m doing is for guys who don’t have the option to go to a machine shop they can do this in their house. And all the barrel stuff I’m teaching these guys my father was a master gunsmith he taught me how to read these barrels and how to fix this rifling. No normallyYou make a laughing tool but how did these guys do that in their house when they’ve never done it before. So I design this other system that I use now that works great. If I was doing 35 Cal or 45 I would make a lapping tool.
And one other thing at any time if you feel you wanna get up here help an ad and contribute to this it would be much appreciated and welcomed this is about giving all these guys knowledge. So far nobody does. As far as I know I’m the only one who started this so I could definitely use the help no one person knows everything and I’m Sure a lot of guys on 12 grooves and I don’t own one at this point. For me this is about the guns and that’s it
Take a long series 4.5mm drill and you will soon see how easily bend ! This sounds like a job for ProjectFarm !
Funny though 90 % of the rifles at Rmac were FX and the winner Keith shooting none other than an Impact..but having to buy barrel sleeves is rediculous 100% stuid
90% of shooters in rmac didn't use any wind flags for god sake!!the whole rmac is just a big show for fx to sell more of their junks 😁
@@amink9436 RusBear used wind flags and it was completely useless since the flag was straighten up horizontal with the extreme wind... the approach of using the previous shot as a sighter for the next shot was probably the best choice... a proven winner choice....
@@ciliiyou hi mate,come on man!shooting without wind flags is shooting blind!its try and error
@@amink9436 Watch Rusbear videos mate... He was using flags during RMAC practice in that tournament range, and his flag was straightened horizontally. How you gonna guess the wind speed if the wind was over the flag reading limit...? 😅
By sacrificing previous shot as a sighter, shooter could nailed as many targets using same windage as long as the wind is consistent... 🤷♂️
@@amink9436 bought a fx maverick most accurate slug or pellet rifle i have ever shot
I'll take Matt Dubbers word against yours everytime, simply because he actually proves he can shoot, where were you...
How did he prove he can shoot explain that to me he purposely shot an avenger in 38 mile an hour winds so the group would look terrible. He has lied about polygon Walther barrels which shoot much better than FX barrels if you don’t believe it get up on shooter 1721 and watch a JSAR rifle switch from pallets to slugs with no change of impact and an extremely tight group. So what you’re saying is you’re going to believe the smoke and mirrors on TH-cam you ever see those shots ranged here’s another thing you don’t see the 45 Mrs. before the hit.I understand the weakness in you you need something to believe in you need to believe that your gun is the most accurate and it simply is not the case
You'd take the fat fella that's paid by FX over someone who doesn't work for FX ..... Hahaha 🤣🤣. No shit.
And in occlusion to coin your tone - "Put your money where your mouth is Jiiiiiiiim"........so why don't you Cooper? I'd watch that!
It looks that you have some kind of problems with the FX brand and are on a hate/revanche mission, but I only see a pissed off man talking and jabbering, but you show us nothing, I own A FX Impact MKII that is unbelievable accurate with the STX Superior liner at 125m, and the results are the only thing that matters to me. But I hope that you sleep better after you let of your steam. Greetings from the Netherlands.
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You are expected to praise your airgun .The problem with people like you that they do not the horrible facts when faced by them.
@@AustinJesseJames you are quickly passed off Danny .Okay Okay ,fx airgun is the best in the world ,do not worry now !
Did you ever make a video on polishing and lapping?
I did make the video it’s up there in the quality sucks I am really sorry but if you do what I tell you to do I guarantee your accuracy will be there I tried lapping the barrel on a GC gun oh I couldn’t get the lapping tool past the spots that were squeezed to small by the process they use of indenting the rifling I was hitting it with a mallet so then I just tried polishing the FX liner I got a little better but with slugs like I said up to 100 yards you’ll get an inch and 3/4 which is OK at 100 but when you get out there past 200 that’s when the Groups open and if you notice your slug spiral when you shoot them especially when it’s a closer range you can see it if you watch air hunters or any of those guys in Africa watch the 50 yard shots and watch the slugs they spiral a Matt Dobber said that’s normal that’s the right themselves that’s not true if I had a barrel that spirals a slugs I’ll get another barrel if I can’t fix it
I could tell from first video you were nutty but I like it. Jb welding barrel liners. Diy spirit I love it. Keep them coming.
Go watch Matt’s response to your video, his integrity is also much higher then yours and did not mention your name!
Matt was confused .I felt sorry for him.
Plus Matt never stooped to name calling. (Parrot). He lost all credibility using add homonyms.
@@weirhauch1002 Don't you just love how people claim to know some guy living across the ocean has "high integrity"
The FX fan boys ass kissing is reaching epic proportions 💋🤣
@@heithwatkins ha ha ha ha 👍
@@heithwatkins I live in RSA and know Mat, just show you that your uttering is pure guessing and assumptions , deliberately trying to be rude, to many people like you on Y T
Does FX barrels have a crown?
A vernier caliper is not a deburring tool either.