I wish I could meet Dr. Shabir Ally one day. I have deep respect for his enlightened mind. Dr. Shabir is really unique compared to the others Sheiks of the Muslim Ummah. Respect ! Greetings from Tunisia
May Allah Bless,protect and continue to guide and increase Dr.Shabir Ally's knowledge and understanding even more. He is very knowledgeable MashaAllah. I live and respect how he answers questions that are critical of Islam and the Quran so calmly and factually. This is what we need more of.
I come to spirituality via the Christian faith, but I must say, I like the way you present things. And regardless of anyone's faith, we as people of the human race agree on far more than we disagree on if we could just get beyond the propaganda used by those that would divide us politically and spiritually. We must learn to be kind to each other. Glad I found you. You have a wonderful way of presenting your knowledge with a kind tone and without being derogatory.
Question please. Who changed the order of the quran? If it was always memorised it must have been learnt in the order it was allegedly revealed which is not the same as the order you have today so who changed the order and why? Thank you
@Sovereign Soul the order of the Holly book is entirely artificial. Always been know. But has a rule. From the longest surah to the shortest. We know that the first revelation is in surah 97. Hence the Laylat al-Qadr commemoration.
@@aepedraza I don't think it's from longest sura to shortest because the first sura is Al-Fatiha and that is smaller than Surat Al-Barqrah. the lest sura is surat An-Nas and that is longer than surat Al-Kawthar.
Sounds like a corruption to me, Muslims always bang on about how the Quran is exactly how it was revealed then in first inspection you quickly find out they changed the order from Longest to shortest ? Then Upton further inspection you find that even that’s not true because the first verse is actually very short compare to other verse like albaka ? Islam love to make very big claim but the claims could never hold it self up to scrutiny, like the Quran is straight from the mouth of god, or the Quran has been preserved letter to letter, prophet Mohamed was the greatest man ever, he is the best example of man kin, up on inspecting these claims none of them even comes close to what they claiming, in-fact it’s all the opposite lol
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our respected scholar please make a whole series of lecture about all the manuscripts survived in (tatarastan,turky,cairo). if you do it for us, it will very helpful for our study of the manuscript of the quran.thank you
man how he memorizes things and has a good pace too mashallah. Zakir Naik, Nouman Ali, Omar Suleiman, Shabir Ally, etc. they all have a gift called memorization and creativity mashallah
@@hsunteik well nop! People take his speeches out of context like Indian media always do. Like now happening in Inda for example. And the most controversial man in this world is our prophet Muhammad PBUH does that make him fake preacher? NOP .So by this we can come to the conclusion that don't judge others by what the mainstream media or someone says to ur ears. Watch all of videos from the beginning to last like I do then u will start to like his lectures so ya don't judge anybody through the media OR by the RUMORS
Omar Suleiman, I do not know him, so I will not comment on him, but to compare Shabbir Ali and Zakir Naik with Noman Khan! the difference between them and him is like the difference between sky and earth!
DR. SHABIR how could we be sure 'Uthman did not add or delete any verse after burning Abu Bakr's Qiram?? Note Allah did not give any surah confirming as he did to Muhammad as guardian of Quran that 'Uthman did not deleted any surah.
@True Heart nope not leaving, I love my religion cause it makes sense to me, not following it blindly or emotionally like Christians (we all do respect to other Christians), I made my challenge cause I know Quran cover to cover, and I knew he won't be able to bring one verse. And btw all the things you said about people at that time spoke many other languages is just talk, prove they did.
@True Heart how does debating about a specific thing in Islam proves whether the Islam is true or not! And I still don't understand why you keep insulting my religion? Insulting someone's belief doesn't make you right and make me wrong.
Can some Muslim please give me a well explained answer. The very beginning of Islam is where Muhammad goes to a cave and an angel appears instructing him to read. This whole event is very suspect for the following reasons and here is why Why would an all knowing god via an angel tell an illiterate man to read???? Can he be all knowing???? The angel must have had some copy for Muhammad to read. Where is that copy ???? Surely that would have contained the first few verses of the Quran??????????? After the event he went to his wife who convinced him that he is now a prophet of god (she was not even a witness to the event) Why would he then say later that a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's (a received revelation) This means that whatever followed and the whole islamic faith is built on false testimony???????????
I just saw your comment. I am no scholar but I hope my humble knowledge can help answer your questions. The whole event is not suspicious but it was a revelation. I don't really understand the first question. God is all-knowing, yes, but what does that have to do with the angel ordering the prophet to read? This is how it has been reported. The angel appeared to him and asked him to read, but the prophet was illiterate so he responded "I am not read/ or / I cannot read" so the angel embraced him so hard that he thought his soul was going to leave his body. Then he asked a second and 3rd time and then the prophet finally asked "What do I read" and that's when the angel recited to him the first revelation of the Quran : “Read in the name of thy Lord who created; [He] created the human being from blood clot. Read in the name of thy Lord who taught by the pen: [He] taught the human being what he did not know.” (96:1-5) The angel had no copy. He was there to reveal to him verses from the Quran. His wife did not witness the event, but she saw his state and he told her what happened. She believed that he could be a prophet because he was known to be an outstanding, kind, truthful, honest and right person. She then took him to see her cousin who was a Christian scholar and from what he was told, he also confirmed to him and expressed his wish to live long enough to witness when the pagans will chase him out of Mecca (because he knew they would oppose worshiping one god). So here, the witnessing part has nothing to do. Needing 2 women's testimony is for other matters like inheritance witnessing etc... and even in that case, having one woman witness does not make it a 'false testimony' but maybe an 'incomplete one'. But again, Khadija (may God be pleased with her) was not an eye-witness since he was alone in the case. Now, is the Islamic faith built on a false testimony? Not at all. That was the first, but not the last revelation that the prophet pbuh received from God through Gabriel. Companions witnessed sometimes when he would receive a revelation while riding a horse and the weight of the revelation would overpower the horse who struggles to stand up. The Quran itself is a miracle that has left the best poets and men of literature of that era (most likely the best in the history of Arabic literature) speechless as they knew it was impossible for an illiterate man to come up with something so eloquent that even they could not write. There were also many other miracles that happened during his time. So just because no one witnessed some of the events that happened does not mean they did not happen. And even without witnesses, there are scriptures supporting the legitimacy of the revelation prophet Muhammed pbuh received from God.
Adil Khan Could you please be precise? That is, point out each of Dr. Shabir's statements in this video (with time reference), which contradicts certain Qur'an's statements (with chapter and verse references) if you're honest.
Mr T God says his book is complete and fully detailed. If that’s true, it had to be at the minimum committed to memory from start to finish, if not completely written down as it was revealed. Every point of his is invalid once he outsources his critical thinking to the Hadith book. It’s hearsay, at best, but at worst, it’s conjecture and an ascribing of a partner to god. I’d rather stay away from breaking down and refuting conjecture. You’ll find the truth, many have.
H If it says it in the Quran, great, it’s unchanged and infallible. If you read it from any other book, it is made by man and has mistakes and can possibly be corruption. Don’t tell me fake history. Tell me facts from the Quran, it’s a complete revelation.
@@WinAllDayFC I just told you that people used to learn the Quran. what's fake about that? Anyway I agree that his story isn't that great. The prophet wouldn't just tell a verse to one person.
Old versions of Quran were burned in favor of new more perfect versions. Then, Osman chose the most trusty men between the companions of the Prophet who lived at that time, to do the job, and after they gathered a unit Quran, the Caliph ordered to burn the rest of Qurans. According to Sunni Muslim tradition, it was Abu Bakr (r. 632-634), the first caliph, who compiled The Quran, and Uthman who canonized the standard version of Quran since accepted and used by all Muslims worldwide; So was it Meka or Beka were The Prophet Muchmad (pbuh) was and was the Kaba in Beka?
Paleo Aram The old copies of Quran were written in the Arabic letters that had no indications of dots which distinguish their pronunciation when using the same consonant e.g. K letter that can be pronounced as Ka or Ki according to the local (different) dialects when it’s written without dots, although the meaning of the word can be the same. There were some different accents from different tribes in Arab itself, so the old copies of Quran were burnt to avoid wrong pronunciations that can result to different meaning (although we could decide the meaning by seeing the contexts), then they referred only to the one that had been standardized (putting the dots to indicate the correct pronunciations). As we know that that first/original scrolls of passages containing messages from Allah revealed to Muhammad (PBUH) were written/documented on papers, leathers, barks of trees and bones - these all still during the life of the prophet.
HOW CAN WE TRUST THE QURAN IS FROM ALLAH IF MUHAMMAD HIM SELF DID NOT KNOW TO WHOM HE SPOKE WHEN MUHAMMAD IN HIRA CAVE???? IT IS STRANGE THE JIBRIL DID NOT INTRODUCE HIM SELF TO MUHAMMAD. IT IS REALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE BIBLE. THE GABRIEL ALWAYS INTRODUCED HIM SELF IF HE WANTED TO REVEAL THE REVELATION TO A PERSON. AND SECONDLY, THERE WAS NO SINGLE WITNESS WHEN MUHAMMAD GOT THE REVELATION.
There was no single witness when Mary got pregnant with Jesus while still virgin. There was no witness when Moses went to the mountain to receive the commandments from God. That does not mean it's false. Also, Gabriel's mission was to deliver the revelation from God, not to introduce himself. The first revelation was not the only one and the prophet met Gabriel (and some other angels) many times. There were witnesses when the prophet received other revelations. Writing in capital letter doesn't make you sound more convincing
Why are there over 39 different versions? I have three and they disagree with one another, and why were so many korans purposely destroyed? Sho''bah Rawh Warsh Qaluun;Al Shamiyah Ibn Kathir Sho'bah Ibn Ayyaah Ibn Saalem AL Asid Al Nahshall al Kufi Al Imaam ibn Aamer Al Demashqi Khalaf Al Bazzi Sho"bah Ibn Abi etc,etc,
Human are imperfect. The same human who wrote it, why will they sent it in the Nile river? Why did they burn the earliest manuscript? You mean those manuscript found in Turkey, Great Britain, etc is not valid? Why it took 200-300yrs to compile the Qur'an? Why the earliest manuscript was not completed?
Please note that paper was not a thing when Mohammad received Quran. And he received it gradually, not all one book at the same time. Mohammad was illiterate so he could not write the revelation himself. So pieces of Quran were memorised and written on many mediums (animal skin, stone, tree bark etc) by Mohammad's companions immediately every time a revelation came. Of course not all of them were there with Mohammad at same time when revelation came, so some companions might have some parts and other companions had other parts. That's why compiling is needed after Mohammad's death After copied and compiled, the collection of those manuscript were burnt. it is no means for getting rid of evidence. It is actually for these reasons: 1. To remove confusion if non arabic speakers read them. Please note that although the recitation and the meaning (of early manuscript and modern quran) are exactly the same, the writing style of ancient arabic is little bit different and it may get confusing for non arab speakers. 2. To avoid the manuscript from being (accidentally) treated disrespectfully. It is disrespectful when you step or sit on Quran even accidentally. If you have a book of quran that is ruined and torn apart, you better burn it instead of throwing it in the dump. So it is better to burn the manuscript altogether at that time. afterall the text has been copied and memorised (word by word) by many Mohammad's companions. Who said the compiling of quran finished after 200-300 years? The compiling began around 12 years after Mohammad's death and it took another 12 to finish and standardize
Ok. But you agree from your Muslim sources that most of the verses were lost, missing, cancel, change, substituted, disappear and was eaten by sheep?? If you say No! I will give you verses from your Hadith and know that u are not will to speak the truth. Then why will you claim that the Qur'an is exactly the same as the one sent down to Prophet Muhammad?? Why will you claim that it is unchanged? Why will you cllaim that it is complete?
Why wasn't Qur'an compiled during the time of the Prophet pbuh to avoid confusion and disagreements later on? Quran is such an important book and needs a special care and preservation, but it was not really shown. It creates some unease. It shows some carelessness.
Maybe because the Prophet S.A.W. thought that never a day would come when a muslim will not be able to recite it by heart , he was not a fortume teller just an exfraordinary human being
@@soulcandy5758 This is a wrong assumption as not everyone has the capability to memorize the Quran and was not meant to be read only by Arabs, but by other peoples as well. And people at the time of the prophet knew that bible (the teaching of Jesus ) was lost/corrupted. Therefore to avoid the same fate, much more effort must had been done in compiling Quran before the prophet passed away. Why Allah did not see it fit to instruct the prophet to compile it while he, the prophet, was still alive? That way they could have checked and double checked that everything was correct. The prophet did not know the future, but Allah does.
@@burreifort Allah does amd so is Quran saved till now , Quran was compiled at the time of Uthman RA amd at that time almost all his people knew it by heart so it wouldnt be possible to have a mistake or even make a change , and so is today so many people know it by heart that no one can dare to change it
@@soulcandy5758 Wouldn't be possible to make a mistake?? You must be kidding. My question is: why they had to go around asking/checking if the person is reliable or not when the Quran could had been compiled just fine at the time of the prophet.
It’s not the same Quran even in you own Quran says it’s not How can Muslims think that Quran is complete or the same if Aysha said (in Abu Ubaid's Kitab Fada'il al Quran) that Sura 33 had 200 verses but now there are only 73 verses? Its ridiculous with all the variance found still believe the Quran is preserved lol...can’t lie anymore..lol
Muslims consider the Quran the perfectly preserved, eternal and unchanged. Yet, despite Muslims claiming that there were thousands of reciter’s at the time of Mohamed and for that reason there could be no loss of details of memory. We know from the Quran itself that the Verses for Stoning and Breastfeeding are missing, therefore the Quran contradicts itself and Muslims cannot then claim that the Quran is complete. Moreover, We are now discovering that there are 37 different versions of the Quran with 93,000 variations between each variant. But if the Quran were really the actual divine words of god, it could never contain any imperfection or disparity, let alone be in error, misunderstood or questioned. Even the Rasm (basic texts) in the 6 oldest manuscripts are not even from the Uthmanic period, none of them are complete, and now we are finding that even these differ from each other in thousands of significant ways. The facts are that there is no such thing as "the Quran" there are many variants with many differences, meanings and even order of the Sura's. Therefore, it cannot be the inerrant perfect word of god in anyway whatsoever! There is no such thing as a single Quran anymore, and now the biggest deception in history perpetrated upon humanity has finally come out.
In Yemen a copy of Quran written by Hazrat Ali (AS) was found during excavation of an old mosque and was compared by the experts with the existing Quran which was exactly the same. This report was published in many leading news papers in 1985. It should be noted that Hazrat Ali (AS) was sent to Yemen in 10 Hijra as a missionary in the life time of the Prophet (SW). Allah says in Quran: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian (Surah Hajir Verse-9).
Quran was compiled and made a book in the life of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and when Prophet Muhammad passed away that copy was kept with Umatul Momineen Hifsa.
It's sad to see fellow Christian brothers and sisters repeating the same useless BS that some hate preachers from their fate have been feeding them with. Some didn't even watch the video.
According to History, The pieces gathered were spread with different ppl . Each one of those pieces were personal notes . Not All the sahaba were memorizers . Not All know all the Ahruf . Two witnesses meant the committee wasn't aware of it all . Otherwise the committee itself would have been a witness . Publicly here means the members of the committee. It doesn't mean 100 000 Muslim . It also is irrelevant when we say it's done in front of a committee who doesn't know all the Ahruf and only few of them know one Harf by heart .
So all the Quaran that was intended to be preserved was preserved? ... the bits that were not preserved were not meant to be presereved... I can see how this helps the Muslim, but it removes the argument of the miraculous presevation of the Quran, as evidemce for Islam.
How can we believe the methodology used to compile all the pieces of the Quran is valid? Weren't their any enemies of Muhammad who wanted to jeopardise his efforts even after his death? And how can we say the two witnesses had best intentions in their mind to bring forward the written inscriptions? Secondly, How can the meanings not change in words after a century? For instance 'nice' is french word meant 'fool' in old French but now it means 'good' in English, and Semitic languages are no strange to such shift in meaning, then how can we believe the interpretations (translations) are correct in Quran that appears a century later? And why the compilers use strange names such as 'cows, bee, spiders' for such sacred texts? And what was the methodology behind dividing the message of Muhammad into chapters? I hope I can receive answers to my question from Dr Shabbir Ally, may the universe bless him :)
The Quran was recited and memorized day and night in prayers and otherwise since the days of the prophet, unlike other Islamic literature, have a look at this short video about the mathematical marvel in the book. th-cam.com/video/H73BGiqv6Z8/w-d-xo.html
How old are happened we can just try to imagine you know what really gets to me what you look at all this religion that has claimed to be today it all started the same Angel Gabriel came to visit the old Prophets Angel Gabriel came to them. Even today when you see other religions you noticed they all claimed that the angel Gabriel came to sometimes I wonder about all this and it's not that I don't believe in the book it's just that you just got to ask yourself questions this is why you need to take this by faith or you don't. I noticed a few years ago people used to question the existing of God I'm not saying they don't question it today. Now the question is the holy books weather is the Torah the Holy Bible the Quran so like I said this is got to be done by faith and yet even today even the faith movement is being questioned and it doesn't matter what religion it is
I'm trying to follow what you're trying to ask. Are you questioning as to what is true or not because other faiths have had the same angel come to them?
@@Iammram exactly what I'm saying when you read all the story is always angel Gabriel not even counting the ones that are not in the Holy books for instance the Mormon religion clean the angel Gabriel came to them the 7-Day Advantage playing the angel Gabriel came to them and I could just keep going on and on and on
@@Magic818100 The Mormon religion and belief is a completely different path than the Abrahamic ones and the founder of that religion has a questionable history behind him. They also believe that Satan & Jesus are brothers, so If i were you, I'd focus on what is similar of the Abrahamic Religions ( Judaism, Christianity & Islam ) and take it from there... when you start going further to Mormons, Bahai even, it makes things a lot more complexed and confusing ( mostly because those faiths are brought forth and improvised by men's hands not by God. )
F.A F.A I do understand my Bible but this isn’t about the Bible but the Quran. You say it is perfect and unaltered. Really it was put together by fragments found after Mohamed death. Some were eaten by a goat. There is an “official” version but only because other versions were destroyed. If I am wrong tell me specifically how.
@F.A F.A By not answering my challenge on the Quran, you are admitting that I am correct and the Quran is seriously flawed. You have an internal conflict. You say the Bible is flawed but the Quran says to read the Bible, specifically the Gospels, the Injil. Have you read the Gospels?
Why do you distract from answering the question. If the Quran is so perfect as you say, this should be easy to answer. If you don’t answer the questions directly this time, it means what you say about the Quran is not true.
Some Christian apologetics have mispresented Shabbir on this : that Quran isn't the same as of ancient or prophet's time ..." But the Dr said the meanings have been fully preserved without a single difference in meaning.. that's.0000000000000% in contextual difference. Zero difference for short ... Colour or color meanings the same...it is just the writer choice of word , Quran was stated orally so transcribing into letters could be different by spelling choices but not different by meaning... that's all the writers had 100% the same in meaning or description... Eg. The boy was wearing a yellow ribbon what a nice color. The boy was wearing a yellow ribbon what a nice colour.
Muslims consider the Quran perfect in the following respects: the Quran is the infallible and inerrant word of god. It is supposed to free of any doubts; it teaches absolute reality, divinity, perfection and unchangeability on the basis of the eternal knowledge of the all-knowing God in his own words. Yet, we are now discovering that there are 37 different versions with 93,000 variations. But if the Quran were really the actual divine words of god, it could never contain any imperfection or disparity, let alone be misunderstood or questioned. Now the biggest deception perpetrated on humanity called the Quran is being dissected like a rotting cadaver in a forensic laboratory. Therefore, it cannot be perfect in anyway whatsoever ! There is no such thing as a single Quran anymore, the lie has finally come out.
Just like there is not a just one Bible, not even one book of Bible is doesn't have variants. Also, there are the 73 books in the Catholic Church canon, the 66 books in the canon of the most Protestant denominations, and the 81 books in the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon. And I only named 3 branches of Christianity, there are many more canons.
@@idris_haris_al-kalima NO that is NOT correct ! Sorry but you do not have an early Uthmanic Quran that is a lie. The current Haafs Quran dates from 732, over 100 years after Mohammed. This was established in 1924 by the Egyptians and only canonised in 1985. However there are 37 different ARABIC versions, with more than 93000 differences between them. The Rasm (basic texts) of the 6 oldest surviving manuscripts. In codex parisino-petropolitanus france, samarkand, topkapi, sana’a, and even the Birmingham version are not even from the 6th century, they are not complete, and now we are finding that even these differ greatly from each other in THOUSANDS of significant ways. The facts are that there is no such thing as "the Quran" there are many variants with many different words, meaning and even order of the sura's. There are Hadiths which refer to suras which are not even in the modern Qur'an. Surely this indicates that the Qur'an has changed since the time of these Hadiths. Also there are many disputes among Scholars about the order of Sura's, While Ubayy ibn Ka'b’s Quran begins with Sura 1 and ends with Sura 114, Ibn Masud’s Quran starts with Sura 2 and ends with Sura 94. You still want to believe in this Book ???
@@bertiebasset6025Firstly, the true name of the Islamic "Quran", as stated by the text itself, is Ahsan Hadith, not Quran. A hadith is an oral narration, and Ahsan Hadith is a narration of guidelines for teaching Arabs about Allah, but when Ahsan Hadith was misunderstood, Islamism was born. Note: The word quran is the Arabic name of the Miqra. For a Jew the Miqra is the Torah portion which is read in synagogue, but for Christian is the Gospel portion read at mass; in other words the Bible itself, the reason why the Quran is said to be upon two stone tablets in heavens is because there are two testaments.
@@idris_haris_al-kalima Heaven is not physical its a spiritual place. Therefore if the "Quran" was actually on Stone tablets, then these would have fallen to Earth LONG ago. However the "quran" is not even the Speech of Allah, because There is overwhelming evidence that it is not: Why did 'Uthman destroy other copies of the Qur'an, unless they contained variants? Why did Ibn Ma'sud refuse to hand over his copy for destruction? How do we know that 'Uthman's copy was different/better than any of the others? Also there is evidence that changes to the Qur'an continued after the time of 'Uthman:- Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 5 - The Seven Different Readings There are Hadiths which say the Qur'an is incomplete, Both the Qur'an and the Sunna give evidence that some of the Qur'an was lost, forgotten, or abrogated: There are further evidences of whole surahs said to be missing from the Qur'an as it is today. Narrated A’isha: "During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current verses were recorded "Ubay ibn Ka’b: "This companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning. This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr includes mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating pages of the Mus-haf.: The standard Narrative itself reveals that the Quran is incomplete and inconsistent, and Muslims cannot then claim that the Quran is uncorrupted or perfectly preserved. If the Qur'an truly is uncorrupted, why does the Muslim world not publish the oldest Qur'an manuscripts? What is there to hide? Yet more importantly we are now finding there a 37 different Variants which exist in present-day manuscripts and by simply comparing existing manuscripts, it can be shown that not all Qur'an manuscripts are the same. Therefore, the TRUTH is that the Qur'an has NOT been perfectly preserved but has been corrupted by Man and is not reliable that even some of it came from Allah
@@bertiebasset6025 The Standard Islamists' Narrative is wrong as Ahsan al-Hadith condemns all so-called Hadith which come after it. Also, calling Ahsan al-Hadith, "al-Quran," is wrong, Ahsan al-Hadith is written in the voice of Mikhail the Archangel, not the voice of Allah nor that of Jibril. The reason for the plural pronouns is that Mikhail speaks on behalf of Isa al-Masih, and Isa al-Masih (who is Kalimatullah) said, "And confirming the truth of al-Taurat that is between my hands, and to make lawful to you certain things that were forbidden unto you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; so fear Allah and obey me."(Surah 3:50) Kalimatullah with ruhullah can lawful that which is forbidden, so fear Allah and obey Isa al-Masih; for if you do not obey Isa al-Masih, then you do not fear Allah.
Bible and Torah are books of revelation from Allah as well, but later corrupted, as Muslims believe. But, why Allah didn't protect his own book like that of Quran. In fact, Quran was written by people long after Mohammad's death. No original full manuscript has yet been discovered. How can you say that Quran is unchanged? Besides, who arranged the chapters? Chapters are not arranged by topic or time of revelation. Moroccan read a different Quran than that of Pakistan.
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No. The Uthman Koran was lost. Either very careless of the early Muslims, or Allah was embarrassed by it and to let the ants eat it. The Koran that most people use in the Hafs, written 150 years after Mohammed died. There are at least 30 different Korans today, all written by people who never met Mohammed or his Companions. They are all different because there is no perfect preservation
Why dont you arrange live streaming debate between Dr. Shabir ally vs christian prince? Dont you think its going to be interesting and probably you could even make so many mualaf if you can destroy cp arguments. It is going to be a huge benefit on your side.
Small and quick example from the Quran : "Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets". Also, he has been prophesied in the Bible but when you are faced with the evidence, you just dismiss it.
You explanations has contradicted Qur'an, in the light of Qur'an that Prophet Muhammad receive a complete Qur'an in BOOK as a revelation from God, the following research confirmed it: ﴿سورة الزمر ١﴾ تَنْزِيلُ الْكِتَابِ مِنَ اللَّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَكِيمِ [Quran 39:1] THIS IS A REVELATION OF THE BOOK FROM ALLA , the Mighty and Wise. ﴿سورة الزمر ٢﴾ إِنَّا أَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ فَاعْبُدِ اللَّهَ مُخْلِصًا لَهُ الدِّينَ [Quran 39:2] We SENT DOWN TO YOU THE BOOK with the truth, so serve Allah, devoting your religion to Him. The verse below also confirmed that Prophet Muhammad was teaching from book ﴿سورة الـجـمـعـة ٢﴾ هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ [Quran 62:2] He is the One who sent to the gentiles a messenger from among them, to recite to them His revelations, purify them, and TEACHING THEM THE BOOK and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray. Let us look the verse below which has both terms (the Quran and the Kitaba) in it. ﴿سورة يونس ٣٧﴾ وَمَا كَانَ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنُ أَنْ يُفْتَرَىٰ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنْ تَصْدِيقَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ مِنْ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ [Quran 10:37] And this al-Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of what is between your hands and explanation of The Book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds. In the analysis of the verses above below we have Al-Quran means the reading. Al-Kitab means the BOOK. Only when you read any given BOOK, you will know what's written in it. And it was written on a honorable paper not skins as you claim: ﴿سورة عبس ١٣﴾ فِي صُحُفٍ مُكَرَّمَةٍ [Quran 80:13] On honorable paper. ﴿سورة عبس ١٤﴾ مَرْفُوعَةٍ مُطَهَّرَةٍ [Quran 80:14] Exalted and purified.
You only prove your truth and your ignorance together. And those who disbelieve say, "Why was the Qur'an not revealed to him all at once?" Thus [it is] that We may strengthen therefore your heart. And We have spaced it distinctly. Quran (25:32).
And i think a lot of muslim know this that it is not the same but they dont want to go public with this because it would cause big problems so they just keep up the lies about it
He is so full of it the quran was change so many times and change hands so many times things were not put in there not the same and so many errors in it and things copy from early christians also wow
DR. SHABIR ALLY, you said "angel said Muhammad to read" definitely Angel gave the original Quran to Muhammad to read from it surah 96:1 *"Recite in the name of your Lord who created"* Who did take away Allah's original Quran????????????
@@ImranMalik-mg5uv Sorry I dont understand, the message he received was written down by other people. This man says that the messager taught him how to read. But in the Quran he said he couldn't read or write. Muhammed didn't write the Quran did he?
@@johnricardo5935 The angel Gabriel taught the prophet Mohammed how to recite the Quran , the prophet Mohammed peace be up on him knew how to recite the Quran by heart . Allah said '' Move not your tongue with it, [O Muhammad], to hasten with recitation of the Qur'an. Indeed, upon Us is its collection [in your heart] and [to make possible] its recitation.So when We have recited it [through Gabriel], then follow its recitation Then upon Us is its clarification [to you].'' Quran . The prophet dictated to his companions and they wrote it down during his life. The prophet did not teach them how to read but he taught them how to recite as he knew the recitation by heart , Quran actually in Arabic means the recitation .
The bible says that Jesus Christ sacrifice provided a way for man to receive Gods salvation and revelation his tender mercies and loving kindness his goodness and forgiveness his patience and tolerance
Sunan ibn Majah 1944-It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” How is the Quran STILL the same
Ok...I admit right up front that this is a bizarre thought. How many remember a technique used on the Bible in which some type of numerical manipulation produced cues or clues in a matrix? I'm wondering if the Quran might produce some interesting result if the same method was applied. I'm told that Any book can be used. Just wondering......
And so it goes on the angel tells mohamet 3 times to read and so he does. How come mohamet never wrote anything down himself secondly if an all powerful god charges an angel to convey a message to an illiterate man and not empower his prophet to read and write given that he was charged with such a spiritual nd life giving dogma. How can such a message be left for later miss interpretation in the writing of such important a message so late after the death of the prophet leaving its interpretation to all and sundry. Surely if such a concice information is to be addapted as example of a way of life representing the gods divinity wouldnt such a all powerful all seeing god not forsee the confusion it has since caused didnt god want all mankind to understand his message? Or was it left for manking to guess through blind faith a god of love want everyone to share his kingdom and not the chosen few
LET THE QURAN SPEAK, question should be asked, DR. SHABIR ALLY, how could we be sure Quran Allah wrote before any creation, same Quran 'Uthman reproduced after burning Abu Bakr's Quran??? Note that Allah did not give any surah to 'Uthman, as he did to Muhammad as a guarantor of Quran that 'Uthman did not add or delete any surah in his edition of Quran.
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The argument he gives about manuscripts from various places is exactly the same as for the Bible. Except there are much more ancient manuscripts as far as the Bible is concerned. And that they have been corrupted of course.
Why you didn't provide evidence when you had a debate with Dr. Jay Smith? So the manuscript Jay Smith provided to you were not valid? You need to speak the truth. The issue of this Qur'an is a big problem because all Muslim scholars have different interpretation on this issue.
why are sitting cross legged infront of a pious man. You are being disrespectful and worst still you slang your question to a humble man with a geat knowledge of hadiths and sunnah.
Can't these questions can be asked by male host? Why is it necessary to have pretty female faces with make-up on the host seat. You may be a very pious with lot of control over your senses & feelings, but we as an audience are simple & sinful muslims. There should'nt be female attractions when we are trying to learn deen.
With due respect brother, let's not blame women for everything. It's not her fault, she's even wearing the hijab. It's you who has to learn to keep a control on your desires.
Shabir mindlessly parrot the historical account of the emergence of the Qur’an, an account that was fabricated a century after the death of the Prophet.
I wish I could meet Dr. Shabir Ally one day. I have deep respect for his enlightened mind. Dr. Shabir is really unique compared to the others Sheiks of the Muslim Ummah. Respect ! Greetings from Tunisia
you can meet him in IMO mosque on Friday prayer.
@@Amen.ahmed1 IMO?
@@helmibenaziza9962 It is a mosque in Toronto
@@Amen.ahmed1 Thx bro. I live in Tunisia hhhh
@@helmibenaziza9962 I love to see Tunisia one day. What lovely country
Great man god bless him and protect him
Aameen!!
May Allah Bless,protect and continue to guide and increase Dr.Shabir Ally's knowledge and understanding even more. He is very knowledgeable MashaAllah. I live and respect how he answers questions that are critical of Islam and the Quran so calmly and factually. This is what we need more of.
I come to spirituality via the Christian faith, but I must say, I like the way you present things. And regardless of anyone's faith, we as people of the human race agree on far more than we disagree on if we could just get beyond the propaganda used by those that would divide us politically and spiritually. We must learn to be kind to each other. Glad I found you. You have a wonderful way of presenting your knowledge with a kind tone and without being derogatory.
Question please. Who changed the order of the quran? If it was always memorised it must have been learnt in the order it was allegedly revealed which is not the same as the order you have today so who changed the order and why? Thank you
@Sovereign Soul the order of the Holly book is entirely artificial. Always been know. But has a rule. From the longest surah to the shortest. We know that the first revelation is in surah 97. Hence the Laylat al-Qadr commemoration.
@@aepedraza I don't think it's from longest sura to shortest because the first sura is Al-Fatiha and that is smaller than Surat Al-Barqrah. the lest sura is surat An-Nas and that is longer than surat Al-Kawthar.
Sounds like a corruption to me, Muslims always bang on about how the Quran is exactly how it was revealed then in first inspection you quickly find out they changed the order from Longest to shortest ? Then Upton further inspection you find that even that’s not true because the first verse is actually very short compare to other verse like albaka ? Islam love to make very big claim but the claims could never hold it self up to scrutiny, like the Quran is straight from the mouth of god, or the Quran has been preserved letter to letter, prophet Mohamed was the greatest man ever, he is the best example of man kin, up on inspecting these claims none of them even comes close to what they claiming, in-fact it’s all the opposite lol
May Allah protect our host Dr Saffiyyah Ally making these unique conversations coming from you guys and the entire family of Dr Shabir Ally. You are among the most popular scholar Islam. May Allah makes it easier for you
Dr Shabir`s knowledge is verse. Jazakallah kairan.
our respected scholar please make a whole series of lecture about all the manuscripts survived in (tatarastan,turky,cairo).
if you do it for us, it will very helpful for our study of the manuscript of the quran.thank you
Yes!!
man how he memorizes things and has a good pace too mashallah. Zakir Naik, Nouman Ali, Omar Suleiman, Shabir Ally, etc. they all have a gift called memorization and creativity mashallah
I like Shabir Ally and the others,but not Zakir Naik...he's preaching quite controversial to me...
@@hsunteik well nop! People take his speeches out of context like Indian media always do. Like now happening in Inda for example. And the most controversial man in this world is our prophet Muhammad PBUH does that make him fake preacher? NOP .So by this we can come to the conclusion that don't judge others by what the mainstream media or someone says to ur ears. Watch all of videos from the beginning to last like I do then u will start to like his lectures so ya don't judge anybody through the media OR by the RUMORS
Omar Suleiman, I do not know him, so I will not comment on him, but to compare Shabbir Ali and Zakir Naik with Noman Khan! the difference between them and him is like the difference between sky and earth!
DR. SHABIR how could we be sure 'Uthman did not add or delete any verse after burning Abu Bakr's Qiram?? Note Allah did not give any surah confirming as he did to Muhammad as guardian of Quran that 'Uthman did not deleted any surah.
Mojnu Mia here's your answer
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We actually can't be sure.
Consensus.
I wish to meet Dr,Shabir Ally one day
@Full Clip Who cares?
Pleasantly surprised to know host and Dr shabir are daughter and father:) God bless you both!
The one word that comes to mind on seeing Dr. Shabir Ally, speak; is "Respect"....God bless you sir 🙏🙏🙏
A live Q&A session with Dr Ally can be very beneficial.
إقتراح فقط.
Quran being revealed in arabic is such a big test in my opinion
@True Heart I'll leave Islam when you bring one verse that says something like women who wear makeup are whore
Well it had to come in one language, and it came in Arabic because people at that place spoke Arabic.
@True Heart nope not leaving, I love my religion cause it makes sense to me, not following it blindly or emotionally like Christians (we all do respect to other Christians), I made my challenge cause I know Quran cover to cover, and I knew he won't be able to bring one verse. And btw all the things you said about people at that time spoke many other languages is just talk, prove they did.
@True Heart how does debating about a specific thing in Islam proves whether the Islam is true or not! And I still don't understand why you keep insulting my religion? Insulting someone's belief doesn't make you right and make me wrong.
@True Heart just tell me where in Islam it calls her whore it's a simple request 😂😂, so far you're the one calling her whore
Can some Muslim please give me a well explained answer.
The very beginning of Islam is where Muhammad goes to a cave and an angel appears instructing him to read.
This whole event is very suspect for the following reasons and here is why
Why would an all knowing god via an angel tell an illiterate man to read???? Can he be all knowing????
The angel must have had some copy for Muhammad to read. Where is that copy ????
Surely that would have contained the first few verses of the Quran???????????
After the event he went to his wife who convinced him that he is now a prophet of god (she was not even a witness to the event)
Why would he then say later that a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's (a received revelation)
This means that whatever followed and the whole islamic faith is built on false testimony???????????
I just saw your comment. I am no scholar but I hope my humble knowledge can help answer your questions.
The whole event is not suspicious but it was a revelation.
I don't really understand the first question. God is all-knowing, yes, but what does that have to do with the angel ordering the prophet to read?
This is how it has been reported. The angel appeared to him and asked him to read, but the prophet was illiterate so he responded "I am not read/ or / I cannot read" so the angel embraced him so hard that he thought his soul was going to leave his body. Then he asked a second and 3rd time and then the prophet finally asked "What do I read" and that's when the angel recited to him the first revelation of the Quran : “Read in the name of thy Lord who created; [He] created the human being from blood clot. Read in the name of thy Lord who taught by the pen: [He] taught the human being what he did not know.” (96:1-5)
The angel had no copy. He was there to reveal to him verses from the Quran.
His wife did not witness the event, but she saw his state and he told her what happened. She believed that he could be a prophet because he was known to be an outstanding, kind, truthful, honest and right person. She then took him to see her cousin who was a Christian scholar and from what he was told, he also confirmed to him and expressed his wish to live long enough to witness when the pagans will chase him out of Mecca (because he knew they would oppose worshiping one god). So here, the witnessing part has nothing to do. Needing 2 women's testimony is for other matters like inheritance witnessing etc... and even in that case, having one woman witness does not make it a 'false testimony' but maybe an 'incomplete one'. But again, Khadija (may God be pleased with her) was not an eye-witness since he was alone in the case.
Now, is the Islamic faith built on a false testimony? Not at all. That was the first, but not the last revelation that the prophet pbuh received from God through Gabriel. Companions witnessed sometimes when he would receive a revelation while riding a horse and the weight of the revelation would overpower the horse who struggles to stand up. The Quran itself is a miracle that has left the best poets and men of literature of that era (most likely the best in the history of Arabic literature) speechless as they knew it was impossible for an illiterate man to come up with something so eloquent that even they could not write. There were also many other miracles that happened during his time. So just because no one witnessed some of the events that happened does not mean they did not happen. And even without witnesses, there are scriptures supporting the legitimacy of the revelation prophet Muhammed pbuh received from God.
Everything he said is refuted by Quran. I thought the name of the channel is let the Quran speak? Not “let the Hadith speak...”
Adil Khan
Could you please be precise?
That is, point out each of Dr. Shabir's statements in this video (with time reference), which contradicts certain Qur'an's statements (with chapter and verse references) if you're honest.
Mr T God says his book is complete and fully detailed. If that’s true, it had to be at the minimum committed to memory from start to finish, if not completely written down as it was revealed. Every point of his is invalid once he outsources his critical thinking to the Hadith book. It’s hearsay, at best, but at worst, it’s conjecture and an ascribing of a partner to god. I’d rather stay away from breaking down and refuting conjecture. You’ll find the truth, many have.
@@WinAllDayFC Some sahaba like imam Ali had memorized the whole Quran. and they taught people.
H If it says it in the Quran, great, it’s unchanged and infallible. If you read it from any other book, it is made by man and has mistakes and can possibly be corruption. Don’t tell me fake history. Tell me facts from the Quran, it’s a complete revelation.
@@WinAllDayFC I just told you that people used to learn the Quran. what's fake about that?
Anyway I agree that his story isn't that great. The prophet wouldn't just tell a verse to one person.
Old versions of Quran were burned in favor of new more perfect versions. Then, Osman chose the most trusty men between the companions of the Prophet who lived at that time, to do the job, and after they gathered a unit Quran, the Caliph ordered to burn the rest of Qurans. According to Sunni Muslim tradition, it was Abu Bakr (r. 632-634), the first caliph, who compiled The Quran, and Uthman who canonized the standard version of Quran since accepted and used by all Muslims worldwide; So was it Meka or Beka were The Prophet Muchmad (pbuh) was and was the Kaba in Beka?
Paleo Aram The old copies of Quran were written in the Arabic letters that had no indications of dots which distinguish their pronunciation when using the same consonant e.g. K letter that can be pronounced as Ka or Ki according to the local (different) dialects when it’s written without dots, although the meaning of the word can be the same. There were some different accents from different tribes in Arab itself, so the old copies of Quran were burnt to avoid wrong pronunciations that can result to different meaning (although we could decide the meaning by seeing the contexts), then they referred only to the one that had been standardized (putting the dots to indicate the correct pronunciations). As we know that that first/original scrolls of passages containing messages from Allah revealed to Muhammad (PBUH) were written/documented on papers, leathers, barks of trees and bones - these all still during the life of the prophet.
HOW CAN WE TRUST THE QURAN IS FROM ALLAH IF MUHAMMAD HIM SELF DID NOT KNOW TO WHOM HE SPOKE WHEN MUHAMMAD IN HIRA CAVE???? IT IS STRANGE THE JIBRIL DID NOT INTRODUCE HIM SELF TO MUHAMMAD. IT IS REALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE BIBLE. THE GABRIEL ALWAYS INTRODUCED HIM SELF IF HE WANTED TO REVEAL THE REVELATION TO A PERSON. AND SECONDLY, THERE WAS NO SINGLE WITNESS WHEN MUHAMMAD GOT THE REVELATION.
There was no single witness when Mary got pregnant with Jesus while still virgin. There was no witness when Moses went to the mountain to receive the commandments from God. That does not mean it's false. Also, Gabriel's mission was to deliver the revelation from God, not to introduce himself. The first revelation was not the only one and the prophet met Gabriel (and some other angels) many times. There were witnesses when the prophet received other revelations. Writing in capital letter doesn't make you sound more convincing
Why are there over 39 different versions? I have three and they disagree with one another, and why were so many korans purposely destroyed?
Sho''bah
Rawh
Warsh
Qaluun;Al Shamiyah
Ibn Kathir
Sho'bah Ibn Ayyaah Ibn Saalem AL Asid Al Nahshall al Kufi
Al Imaam ibn Aamer Al Demashqi
Khalaf
Al Bazzi
Sho"bah Ibn Abi
etc,etc,
39 Different versions in Arabic?
+Let the Quran Speak I live in Canada how can I get in touch with Shabir Ally?
Human are imperfect. The same human who wrote it, why will they sent it in the Nile river? Why did they burn the earliest manuscript? You mean those manuscript found in Turkey, Great Britain, etc is not valid? Why it took 200-300yrs to compile the Qur'an? Why the earliest manuscript was not completed?
Please note that paper was not a thing when Mohammad received Quran. And he received it gradually, not all one book at the same time. Mohammad was illiterate so he could not write the revelation himself. So pieces of Quran were memorised and written on many mediums (animal skin, stone, tree bark etc) by Mohammad's companions immediately every time a revelation came. Of course not all of them were there with Mohammad at same time when revelation came, so some companions might have some parts and other companions had other parts. That's why compiling is needed after Mohammad's death
After copied and compiled, the collection of those manuscript were burnt. it is no means for getting rid of evidence. It is actually for these reasons:
1. To remove confusion if non arabic speakers read them. Please note that although the recitation and the meaning (of early manuscript and modern quran) are exactly the same, the writing style of ancient arabic is little bit different and it may get confusing for non arab speakers.
2. To avoid the manuscript from being (accidentally) treated disrespectfully. It is disrespectful when you step or sit on Quran even accidentally. If you have a book of quran that is ruined and torn apart, you better burn it instead of throwing it in the dump. So it is better to burn the manuscript altogether at that time. afterall the text has been copied and memorised (word by word) by many Mohammad's companions.
Who said the compiling of quran finished after 200-300 years? The compiling began around 12 years after Mohammad's death and it took another 12 to finish and standardize
Ok.
But you agree from your Muslim sources that most of the verses were lost, missing, cancel, change, substituted, disappear and was eaten by sheep??
If you say No! I will give you verses from your Hadith and know that u are not will to speak the truth.
Then why will you claim that the Qur'an is exactly the same as the one sent down to Prophet Muhammad??
Why will you claim that it is unchanged?
Why will you cllaim that it is complete?
I have seen quite a lot of these talks...this is by far the most standard interaction I have seen
Great breakdown. Loved it.
Abd Allah ibn Sa'd was a best example for how he got revelations and wrote the Koran
Why wasn't Qur'an compiled during the time of the Prophet pbuh to avoid confusion and disagreements later on? Quran is such an important book and needs a special care and preservation, but it was not really shown. It creates some unease. It shows some carelessness.
Maybe because the Prophet S.A.W. thought that never a day would come when a muslim will not be able to recite it by heart , he was not a fortume teller just an exfraordinary human being
@@soulcandy5758 This is a wrong assumption as not everyone has the capability to memorize the Quran and was not meant to be read only by Arabs, but by other peoples as well. And people at the time of the prophet knew that bible (the teaching of Jesus ) was lost/corrupted. Therefore to avoid the same fate, much more effort must had been done in compiling Quran before the prophet passed away. Why Allah did not see it fit to instruct the prophet to compile it while he, the prophet, was still alive? That way they could have checked and double checked that everything was correct. The prophet did not know the future, but Allah does.
@@burreifort Allah does amd so is Quran saved till now , Quran was compiled at the time of Uthman RA amd at that time almost all his people knew it by heart so it wouldnt be possible to have a mistake or even make a change , and so is today so many people know it by heart that no one can dare to change it
@@soulcandy5758 Wouldn't be possible to make a mistake?? You must be kidding. My question is: why they had to go around asking/checking if the person is reliable or not when the Quran could had been compiled just fine at the time of the prophet.
@@burreifort no one asked about person is reliable or not for Quran , it was for Hafith
It’s not the same Quran even in you own Quran says it’s not How can Muslims think that Quran is complete or the same if Aysha said (in Abu Ubaid's Kitab Fada'il al Quran) that Sura 33 had 200 verses but now there are only 73 verses? Its ridiculous with all the variance found still believe the Quran is preserved lol...can’t lie anymore..lol
Muslims consider the Quran the perfectly preserved, eternal and unchanged. Yet, despite Muslims claiming that there were thousands of reciter’s at the time of Mohamed and for that reason there could be no loss of details of memory. We know from the Quran itself that the Verses for Stoning and Breastfeeding are missing, therefore the Quran contradicts itself and Muslims cannot then claim that the Quran is complete.
Moreover, We are now discovering that there are 37 different versions of the Quran with 93,000 variations between each variant. But if the Quran were really the actual divine words of god, it could never contain any imperfection or disparity, let alone be in error, misunderstood or questioned. Even the Rasm (basic texts) in the 6 oldest manuscripts are not even from the Uthmanic period, none of them are complete, and now we are finding that even these differ from each other in thousands of significant ways. The facts are that there is no such thing as "the Quran" there are many variants with many differences, meanings and even order of the Sura's. Therefore, it cannot be the inerrant perfect word of god in anyway whatsoever! There is no such thing as a single Quran anymore, and now the biggest deception in history perpetrated upon humanity has finally come out.
In Yemen a copy of Quran written by Hazrat Ali (AS) was found during excavation of an old mosque and was compared by the experts with the existing Quran which was exactly the same. This report was published in many leading news papers in 1985. It should be noted that Hazrat Ali (AS) was sent to Yemen in 10 Hijra as a missionary in the life time of the Prophet (SW).
Allah says in Quran: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian (Surah Hajir Verse-9).
Quran today is not revealation,its according the recitation of hafs which muslims described him as a fraud ,explanation here is wrong
Hafs was not described as a fraud.
Quran was compiled and made a book in the life of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and when Prophet Muhammad passed away that copy was kept with Umatul Momineen Hifsa.
It's sad to see fellow Christian brothers and sisters repeating the same useless BS that some hate preachers from their fate have been feeding them with. Some didn't even watch the video.
According to History, The pieces gathered were spread with different ppl . Each one of those pieces were personal notes . Not All the sahaba were memorizers . Not All know all the Ahruf .
Two witnesses meant the committee wasn't aware of it all . Otherwise the committee itself would have been a witness .
Publicly here means the members of the committee. It doesn't mean 100 000 Muslim . It also is irrelevant when we say it's done in front of a committee who doesn't know all the Ahruf and only few of them know one Harf by heart .
So all the Quaran that was intended to be preserved was preserved?
... the bits that were not preserved were not meant to be presereved...
I can see how this helps the Muslim, but it removes the argument of the miraculous presevation of the Quran, as evidemce for Islam.
How can we believe the methodology used to compile all the pieces of the Quran is valid? Weren't their any enemies of Muhammad who wanted to jeopardise his efforts even after his death? And how can we say the two witnesses had best intentions in their mind to bring forward the written inscriptions?
Secondly, How can the meanings not change in words after a century? For instance 'nice' is french word meant 'fool' in old French but now it means 'good' in English, and Semitic languages are no strange to such shift in meaning, then how can we believe the interpretations (translations) are correct in Quran that appears a century later?
And why the compilers use strange names such as 'cows, bee, spiders' for such sacred texts? And what was the methodology behind dividing the message of Muhammad into chapters?
I hope I can receive answers to my question from Dr Shabbir Ally, may the universe bless him :)
The Quran was recited and memorized day and night in prayers and otherwise since the days of the prophet, unlike other Islamic literature, have a look at this short video about the mathematical marvel in the book.
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Some sahaba like imam Ali had memorized the whole Quran. They'd notice if someone tried to sneak in some fake verses.
One week ago, i was told that Quran has other version around africa, was that true?
No ofc not!
Yes. The quran in North Africa is different from others
@@crystalclear507 and why is that? Does the meaning also diferent?
They can't change it because many have memorize the original Quran.
Ofcourse not!
Everything depends on beliveness?? If belive so and so you are under religious outfits.
Everything about Islam is questioning
Questioning but you get clear answers..its better than questions without clear answers.
Why muslims think they have to say (PBUH) ? In the glory of God there is perfect peace! But seems like muslims are not sure where their prophet is.
@@marleneplasencia3656 muslims respect all the prophets...so its an honour..
How old are happened we can just try to imagine you know what really gets to me what you look at all this religion that has claimed to be today it all started the same Angel Gabriel came to visit the old Prophets Angel Gabriel came to them. Even today when you see other religions you noticed they all claimed that the angel Gabriel came to sometimes I wonder about all this and it's not that I don't believe in the book it's just that you just got to ask yourself questions this is why you need to take this by faith or you don't. I noticed a few years ago people used to question the existing of God I'm not saying they don't question it today. Now the question is the holy books weather is the Torah the Holy Bible the Quran so like I said this is got to be done by faith and yet even today even the faith movement is being questioned and it doesn't matter what religion it is
I'm trying to follow what you're trying to ask. Are you questioning as to what is true or not because other faiths have had the same angel come to them?
@@Iammram exactly what I'm saying when you read all the story is always angel Gabriel not even counting the ones that are not in the Holy books for instance the Mormon religion clean the angel Gabriel came to them the 7-Day Advantage playing the angel Gabriel came to them and I could just keep going on and on and on
@@Magic818100 The Mormon religion and belief is a completely different path than the Abrahamic ones and the founder of that religion has a questionable history behind him.
They also believe that Satan & Jesus are brothers, so If i were you, I'd focus on what is similar of the Abrahamic Religions ( Judaism, Christianity & Islam ) and take it from there... when you start going further to Mormons, Bahai even, it makes things a lot more complexed and confusing ( mostly because those faiths are brought forth and improvised by men's hands not by God. )
@@stefenski so you believe that the prophet was one of them?
Is this saying that Muhammad could read?
Some say that Hadit is like Talmud
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But then why burn all the variants of the Quran. And why did Allah allow parts of the Quran to be eaten by a goat.
F.A F.A I do understand my Bible but this isn’t about the Bible but the Quran. You say it is perfect and unaltered. Really it was put together by fragments found after Mohamed death. Some were eaten by a goat. There is an “official” version but only because other versions were destroyed. If I am wrong tell me specifically how.
@F.A F.A By not answering my challenge on the Quran, you are admitting that I am correct and the Quran is seriously flawed. You have an internal conflict. You say the Bible is flawed but the Quran says to read the Bible, specifically the Gospels, the Injil. Have you read the Gospels?
@F.A F.A parts of the Bible weren't burnt. Why do you say Mohammed peace be upon him?
@@deaconken3752 I think you listen to David Wood too much.
Why do you distract from answering the question. If the Quran is so perfect as you say, this should be easy to answer.
If you don’t answer the questions directly this time, it means what you say about the Quran is not true.
Some Christian apologetics have mispresented Shabbir on this : that Quran isn't the same as of ancient or prophet's time ..." But the Dr said the meanings have been fully preserved without a single difference in meaning.. that's.0000000000000% in contextual difference. Zero difference for short ...
Colour or color meanings the same...it is just the writer choice of word , Quran was stated orally so transcribing into letters could be different by spelling choices but not different by meaning... that's all the writers had 100% the same in meaning or description...
Eg. The boy was wearing a yellow ribbon what a nice color.
The boy was wearing a yellow ribbon what a nice colour.
Muslims consider the Quran perfect in the following respects: the Quran is the infallible and inerrant word of god. It is supposed to free of any doubts; it teaches absolute reality, divinity, perfection and unchangeability on the basis of the eternal knowledge of the all-knowing God in his own words. Yet, we are now discovering that there are 37 different versions with 93,000 variations. But if the Quran were really the actual divine words of god, it could never contain any imperfection or disparity, let alone be misunderstood or questioned. Now the biggest deception perpetrated on humanity called the Quran is being dissected like a rotting cadaver in a forensic laboratory. Therefore, it cannot be perfect in anyway whatsoever ! There is no such thing as a single Quran anymore, the lie has finally come out.
Just like there is not a just one Bible, not even one book of Bible is doesn't have variants. Also, there are the 73 books in the Catholic Church canon, the 66 books in the canon of the most Protestant denominations, and the 81 books in the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church canon. And I only named 3 branches of Christianity, there are many more canons.
@@idris_haris_al-kalima NO that is NOT correct ! Sorry but you do not have an early Uthmanic Quran that is a lie. The current Haafs Quran dates from 732, over 100 years after Mohammed. This was established in 1924 by the Egyptians and only canonised in 1985. However there are 37 different ARABIC versions, with more than 93000 differences between them. The Rasm (basic texts) of the 6 oldest surviving manuscripts. In codex parisino-petropolitanus france, samarkand, topkapi, sana’a, and even the Birmingham version are not even from the 6th century, they are not complete, and now we are finding that even these differ greatly from each other in THOUSANDS of significant ways. The facts are that there is no such thing as "the Quran" there are many variants with many different words, meaning and even order of the sura's.
There are Hadiths which refer to suras which are not even in the modern Qur'an. Surely this indicates that the Qur'an has changed since the time of these Hadiths. Also there are many disputes among Scholars about the order of Sura's, While Ubayy ibn Ka'b’s Quran begins with Sura 1 and ends with Sura 114, Ibn Masud’s Quran starts with Sura 2 and ends with Sura 94.
You still want to believe in this Book ???
@@bertiebasset6025Firstly, the true name of the Islamic "Quran", as stated by the text itself, is Ahsan Hadith, not Quran. A hadith is an oral narration, and Ahsan Hadith is a narration of guidelines for teaching Arabs about Allah, but when Ahsan Hadith was misunderstood, Islamism was born.
Note: The word quran is the Arabic name of the Miqra. For a Jew the Miqra is the Torah portion which is read in synagogue, but for Christian is the Gospel portion read at mass; in other words the Bible itself, the reason why the Quran is said to be upon two stone tablets in heavens is because there are two testaments.
@@idris_haris_al-kalima Heaven is not physical its a spiritual place. Therefore if the "Quran" was actually on Stone tablets, then these would have fallen to Earth LONG ago.
However the "quran" is not even the Speech of Allah, because There is overwhelming evidence that it is not: Why did 'Uthman destroy other copies of the Qur'an, unless they contained variants? Why did Ibn Ma'sud refuse to hand over his copy for destruction? How do we know that 'Uthman's copy was different/better than any of the others? Also there is evidence that changes to the Qur'an continued after the time of 'Uthman:- Jam' Al-Qur'an Chapter 5 - The Seven Different Readings
There are Hadiths which say the Qur'an is incomplete, Both the Qur'an and the Sunna give evidence that some of the Qur'an was lost, forgotten, or abrogated: There are further evidences of whole surahs said to be missing from the Qur'an as it is today.
Narrated A’isha: "During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current verses were recorded "Ubay ibn Ka’b: "This companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning.
This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr includes mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating pages of the Mus-haf.:
The standard Narrative itself reveals that the Quran is incomplete and inconsistent, and Muslims cannot then claim that the Quran is uncorrupted or perfectly preserved. If the Qur'an truly is uncorrupted, why does the Muslim world not publish the oldest Qur'an manuscripts? What is there to hide? Yet more importantly we are now finding there a 37 different Variants which exist in present-day manuscripts and by simply comparing existing manuscripts, it can be shown that not all Qur'an manuscripts are the same. Therefore, the TRUTH is that the Qur'an has NOT been perfectly preserved but has been corrupted by Man and is not reliable that even some of it came from Allah
@@bertiebasset6025 The Standard Islamists' Narrative is wrong as Ahsan al-Hadith condemns all so-called Hadith which come after it. Also, calling Ahsan al-Hadith, "al-Quran," is wrong, Ahsan al-Hadith is written in the voice of Mikhail the Archangel, not the voice of Allah nor that of Jibril. The reason for the plural pronouns is that Mikhail speaks on behalf of Isa al-Masih, and Isa al-Masih (who is Kalimatullah) said, "And confirming the truth of al-Taurat that is between my hands, and to make lawful to you certain things that were forbidden unto you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; so fear Allah and obey me."(Surah 3:50)
Kalimatullah with ruhullah can lawful that which is forbidden, so fear Allah and obey Isa al-Masih; for if you do not obey Isa al-Masih, then you do not fear Allah.
"Everything that is in the Coran had to be in the Coran"
That's how you dismiss all criticism about missing verses. A bit easy
@Rual When did these verses and chapter get lost?
Why does this Dr remind me of Snoop. *hes got all my respect, dont fire at me*
I miss Sister Aisha. She wouldn't talk over and interrupt Dr. Ally.
He is her father!
Bible and Torah are books of revelation from Allah as well, but later corrupted, as Muslims believe. But, why Allah didn't protect his own book like that of Quran. In fact, Quran was written by people long after Mohammad's death. No original full manuscript has yet been discovered. How can you say that Quran is unchanged? Besides, who arranged the chapters? Chapters are not arranged by topic or time of revelation. Moroccan read a different Quran than that of Pakistan.
What about comparing to flamish language? they have many words with doubble vowels.
Then who wrote the Hadith bcs the Quran was not even certain at that time
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No. The Uthman Koran was lost. Either very careless of the early Muslims, or Allah was embarrassed by it and to let the ants eat it.
The Koran that most people use in the Hafs, written 150 years after Mohammed died. There are at least 30 different Korans today, all written by people who never met Mohammed or his Companions. They are all different because there is no perfect preservation
@@cassandrabritannia7852 and even the hafs is canonized in 1924. Shabir admits that. That is the hafs. Prince Philip is older then the hafs quran.....
Why dont you arrange live streaming debate between Dr. Shabir ally vs christian prince? Dont you think its going to be interesting and probably you could even make so many mualaf if you can destroy cp arguments. It is going to be a huge benefit on your side.
MUHAMMAD WAS NEVER PROPHESIED IN THE QURAN NOR IN THE BIBLE AS A PROPHET. CAN YOU SHOW ME IN THE QURAN OR BIBLE IF MUHAMMAD WAS PROPHESIED??????
read the Gospels
Small and quick example from the Quran : "Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets". Also, he has been prophesied in the Bible but when you are faced with the evidence, you just dismiss it.
Why does she not say PBUH or SWT?
Because she is agnostic!
Because you don't have to every single time you say Prophet Muhammad
@@xadam1964 shame on you
@@Nevjerovatno6 - I never hear her and always hear shabir.
@@xadam1964 I would be too if I had to believe the Quran.
That's is a good question
She is his daughter, she is pretty 👋🥰
not covensing.
still the same eh.yet the original copies were ordered burned by uthman..
You explanations has contradicted Qur'an, in the light of Qur'an that Prophet Muhammad receive a complete Qur'an in BOOK as a revelation from God, the following research confirmed it:
﴿سورة الزمر ١﴾ تَنْزِيلُ الْكِتَابِ مِنَ اللَّهِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَكِيمِ
[Quran 39:1] THIS IS A REVELATION OF THE BOOK FROM ALLA , the Mighty and Wise.
﴿سورة الزمر ٢﴾ إِنَّا أَنْزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ فَاعْبُدِ اللَّهَ مُخْلِصًا لَهُ الدِّينَ
[Quran 39:2] We SENT DOWN TO YOU THE BOOK with the truth, so serve Allah, devoting your religion to Him.
The verse below also confirmed that Prophet Muhammad was teaching from book
﴿سورة الـجـمـعـة ٢﴾ هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِنْهُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِنْ كَانُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ
[Quran 62:2] He is the One who sent to the gentiles a messenger from among them, to recite to them His revelations, purify them, and TEACHING THEM THE BOOK and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray.
Let us look the verse below which has both terms (the Quran and the Kitaba) in it.
﴿سورة يونس ٣٧﴾ وَمَا كَانَ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنُ أَنْ يُفْتَرَىٰ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنْ تَصْدِيقَ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَتَفْصِيلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ مِنْ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
[Quran 10:37] And this al-Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah, but it is a verification of what is between your hands and explanation of The Book, there is no doubt in it, from the Lord of the worlds.
In the analysis of the verses above below we have
Al-Quran means the reading.
Al-Kitab means the BOOK.
Only when you read any given BOOK, you will know what's written in it.
And it was written on a honorable paper not skins as you claim:
﴿سورة عبس ١٣﴾ فِي صُحُفٍ مُكَرَّمَةٍ
[Quran 80:13] On honorable paper.
﴿سورة عبس ١٤﴾ مَرْفُوعَةٍ مُطَهَّرَةٍ
[Quran 80:14] Exalted and purified.
Are u quranist? Im quranist too
You only prove your truth and your ignorance together.
And those who disbelieve say, "Why was the Qur'an not revealed to him all at once?" Thus [it is] that We may strengthen therefore your heart. And We have spaced it distinctly.
Quran (25:32).
And i think a lot of muslim know this that it is not the same but they dont want to go public with this because it would cause big problems so they just keep up the lies about it
Thank you dr shabir
the narrative has changed over the past few months
father and daughter❤❤❤❤❤
Please read the hadiths yourself, may be you will see the truth. People forget that if you lose your life, it is your life you have lost.
He is so full of it the quran was change so many times and change hands so many times things were not put in there not the same and so many errors in it and things copy from early christians also wow
Why don't Allah through to muhammad
The host always interupts before he can finish answering
She's directing him to answer certain questions and to keep him moving. Good interviewer
Its his daughter by the way 😁
DR. SHABIR ALLY, you said "angel said Muhammad to read" definitely Angel gave the original Quran to Muhammad to read from it surah 96:1 *"Recite in the name of your Lord who created"* Who did take away Allah's original Quran????????????
Why didn't Allah know that Mohammed couldn't read, I thought Allah was all knowing?
Yes he did know..thats the point. Muhammad saw was not literature and could not write a miraculous book himself
@@ImranMalik-mg5uv Sorry I dont understand, the message he received was written down by other people. This man says that the messager taught him how to read. But in the Quran he said he couldn't read or write. Muhammed didn't write the Quran did he?
He was unable to read all of his life
@@johnricardo5935 The angel Gabriel taught the prophet Mohammed how to recite the Quran , the prophet Mohammed peace be up on him knew how to recite the Quran by heart . Allah said '' Move not your tongue with it, [O Muhammad], to hasten with recitation of the Qur'an. Indeed, upon Us is its collection [in your heart] and [to make possible] its recitation.So when We have recited it [through Gabriel], then follow its recitation Then upon Us is its clarification [to you].'' Quran .
The prophet dictated to his companions and they wrote it down during his life. The prophet did not teach them how to read but he taught them how to recite as he knew the recitation by heart , Quran actually in Arabic means the recitation .
The bible says that Jesus Christ sacrifice provided a way for man to receive Gods salvation and revelation his tender mercies and loving kindness his goodness and forgiveness his patience and tolerance
MaashaAllah
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Sunan ibn Majah 1944-It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.” How is the Quran STILL the same
That’s not strong Hadith, non Muslims seem to ignore that part
Ok...I admit right up front that this is a bizarre thought. How many remember a technique used on the Bible in which some type of numerical manipulation produced cues or clues in a matrix? I'm wondering if the Quran might produce some interesting result if the same method was applied. I'm told that Any book can be used. Just wondering......
A myth.
And so it goes on the angel tells mohamet 3 times to read and so he does. How come mohamet never wrote anything down himself secondly if an all powerful god charges an angel to convey a message to an illiterate man and not empower his prophet to read and write given that he was charged with such a spiritual nd life giving dogma. How can such a message be left for later miss interpretation in the writing of such important a message so late after the death of the prophet leaving its interpretation to all and sundry. Surely if such a concice information is to be addapted as example of a way of life representing the gods divinity wouldnt such a all powerful all seeing god not forsee the confusion it has since caused didnt god want all mankind to understand his message? Or was it left for manking to guess through blind faith a god of love want everyone to share his kingdom and not the chosen few
LET THE QURAN SPEAK, question should be asked, DR. SHABIR ALLY, how could we be sure Quran Allah wrote before any creation, same Quran 'Uthman reproduced after burning Abu Bakr's Quran??? Note that Allah did not give any surah to 'Uthman, as he did to Muhammad as a guarantor of Quran that 'Uthman did not add or delete any surah in his edition of Quran.
“those who have killed my mothers innocence before my birth, will suffer the consequences of their own blasphemy. May my father forgive them and show empathy towards those man who never believed in the Holy Spirit.”
After the storm there will always be Sun, it’s a sign of creation.........that tomorrow’s another day, to rise as a new being.
Prepare for tomorrow
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The argument he gives about manuscripts from various places is exactly the same as for the Bible. Except there are much more ancient manuscripts as far as the Bible is concerned. And that they have been corrupted of course.
I am a muslim and i disagree because it's not fact
So c'mon!!!!
Quran=newspaper? Am l wrong?
@J C how can l read that book cos in Arabic word
Why you didn't provide evidence when you had a debate with Dr. Jay Smith? So the manuscript Jay Smith provided to you were not valid?
You need to speak the truth. The issue of this Qur'an is a big problem because all Muslim scholars have different interpretation on this issue.
why are sitting cross legged infront of a pious man. You are being disrespectful and worst still you slang your question to a humble man with a geat knowledge of hadiths and sunnah.
Conclusion :There are many types of kuran.
Lol, you didn’t listen to the video at all
There is holes in the narattive
Can't these questions can be asked by male host?
Why is it necessary to have pretty female faces with make-up on the host seat.
You may be a very pious with lot of control over your senses & feelings, but we as an audience are simple & sinful muslims.
There should'nt be female attractions when we are trying to learn deen.
It is Shabir Ally's daughter. Perhaps you could learn to control your lusts and allow a woman to earn a living.
With due respect brother, let's not blame women for everything. It's not her fault, she's even wearing the hijab. It's you who has to learn to keep a control on your desires.
Easy answer-It’s not
That's funny, my thesaurus doesn't have "easy" and "wrong" as synonyms
Jay Smith will show you the quran is not the same at all there is proof
Sister humbly request to you please say, Peace be upon him when you take the name of RASOOLALLAH(S.A.W), you never say peace be upon him
That's who you're stuck in the 5th century we are looking to the stars
That man has a mind of a child when it comes to explaining stories... Nothing close to a doctor or teacher.
You could do some better? Okay, show us!
Honestly, I can't@@waseemraza784
Your quran is the most corrupted book ever.
Shabir mindlessly parrot the historical account of the emergence of the Qur’an, an account that was fabricated a century after the death of the Prophet.
Jesus Christ is Lord. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior today!!!
Come to Christ Dr. you are done defending Islam. Let our muslim brothers and sisters know Jesus. Don't waste a single moment talking about lies
JESUS SAID SATAN WOULD APPEAR AS AN ANGEL AND DECIEVE THE MUSLIMS . THERE IS NO DEBATE.. THERE WAS NO GABRIEL...