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The best answer is that the book is from Allah. When we write a book we follow what we believe our logic to be. But we are typically describing science, math or even a story book. The Quran is about religion. We as followers of islam go in and out of our adherence. So maybe during the day you were getting close to some sin, then when you go to pray you hear a surah that speaks about being strong in faith and avoiding sins. Maybe something occurs where you lost someone and you read a surah and you will see that you should be patient. It is a perfectly design book for this.
Allah & His Beloved Prophet Muhammad(saw) know Best. In my opinion & like a Muslim brother said the Quran will be commands of Allah during the life of Hazrat Muhammad(saw) on earth. But Hazrat Muhammad(saw) forbade that his sayings be compiled while Quran was being revealed and only after 100yrs were it compiled by Hazrat Bhukari. May be if instead of compiling the Quran by Themes we were to compile it in a chronological order We’l be able to better apply Allah’s Commands in our daily life. May Allah Guide us all.
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I've heard that the Quran is fractal in nature. I imagine that the order of the Quran's message is specifically tuned to our psychology, such that one who reads it regularly at a deliberate and mindful pace will be drawn to the teachings more deeply than with other orderings. Another piece I've found is that because the Quran isn't always immediately clear in terms of its context and chronology, it almost forces those who are curious to actually go out and LEARN that stuff. It's not a book I read and go "Oh, I get it". It's a book I read and go "Oh, wow, I'm starting to get it... But I'm still not quite there". It calls me to actually go out and learn about various interpretations, various commentaries, and various approaches. In my opinion, it's an ordering that calls us to seek deeper understanding, rather than simply giving us the impression that we understand it without the concepts actually being fully digested within our hearts. It's a book designed to be read over and over and over, and in such a sense, a chronological ordering would allow for less "replayability". We would be able to easily predict what God is asking us to reflect on next. But in the style of the Quran as it stands today unless one has taken the time to memorize it, you will always come away with a new surprise of Gods revelation. Something you didn't remember from a previous reading. A new insight that you may have glanced over if the Quran was comfortably chronological, you instead pause upon, and reflect. In my opinion, it's not a book meant to understand intellectually (although it is also that), but it is rather a book to understand spiritually. And this spiritual understanding requires an entirely different approach than the ways that typical stories are presented. One last piece... By putting them in this order, it helps to truly showcase how interconnected all of the teachings are. It doesn't let you get stuck with one aspect of Islam, and forget about the others. You must confront it's interconnectedness always. It's an interconnectedness in relation to itself, it's an interconnectedness in relation to you, and it's an interconnectedness in relation to God. It's a powerful ordering and is surely among His signs.
Screenshotted this comment. This is perfectly explained. I don’t know how you did it, but Allah has granted you great eloquency. Do something with it. Spread the message. May Allah bless you and make your path easy.
Lol..no one loves a film that jumps from one scene to the another without proper context. One Benefit of having something in chronological order reveals to whom those specific verse originally refering to.
@@mande-lorean2182 That's moving the goalposts. Every (great) film jumps from one thing to another. The chronology of the Qur'an is a fascinating topic in itself and one for in depth study.
I use Quran as a filter, to me its a filter through which 'false' beliefs get removed from your life and you can get ready to open up more for future with a pure mind.
Dr. Shabir Ali is a wonderful man , he can convince you a cucumber is a banana but you can not see it this way because you do not know how to sit right, God bless Dr.Shabir
I'm doing research on Quran for many years, whole of the Quran is in order. I have done with nearly 20 large surahs but I want give more time for further understanding and clarity. General order is same in all large surahs.
Doing a research and found Quran is in order and yet you are blinded? eg When you talk about creation, the topic spans several different chapters and 2-4 verses here and there. Ha ha ha
@@hegagi839 The general order of Quran is, it tells us that what ever we do in the whole life in form of good or bad ,is being recorded and will be questioned. Why Allah discuss creations with us because what ever He has created is obedient to Him except human. Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said: وَهُوَ الَّذِى خَلَقَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْأَرْضَ فِى سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُۥ عَلَى الْمَآءِ لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلًا ۗ وَلَئِنْ قُلْتَ إِنَّكُمْ مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِنۢ بَعْدِ الْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا إِنْ هٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ "And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."" (QS. Hud 11: Verse 7)
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
@@mrmass144 I was looking at your Quran and how each verse is related to another but after reading 2-4 verses it jumps to a different topic. You will then read a similar topic in a different chapter and verse. Do you call that order? It should try to finish the topic within one chapter or at least group them together. It is rather haphazard.
@@hegagi839 The address of the verses of Quran is always specific to certain believers ,certain consequences of our deeds and the last prophet. Nearly every surah talks in form of 4 to 5 strings of talk that spin around each other up to the end of it. For beginning you can read chapter 22 Al-hajj , in this chapter Allah addresses whole humanity in first two verses -final hour is discussed from verse 3 to verse 18 all type of believers are discussed and in verse 19 Allah says in my sight you are of two types who have a dispute over me and then results of our deeds is discussed up to verse 25.
A common question from those unacquainted with Quran. Step back a second... jumbles according to who? Your standards or the one who revealed it? Think about it, sceptics compare the religious scripture to modern day literature which has chapters, chapters which contain chronological order and sequence of events/story, the Quran was revealed in segments and compiled in divine order. Once you study the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم biography and seerah and coherence of Quran, it will leave you to marvel, gems begin unfolding by the permission of Allah. Oh Allah make us people of Quran, make it the light of our chest and remover of our worries ❤️
@THUNDERBOLT Have you been talking to Qadiyanis? “Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.” (33:40)
@THUNDERBOLT Surah Al An'Am chapter 6 verse 90 "These ˹prophets˺ were ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah, so follow their guidance. Say (Muhammad), “I ask no reward of you for this ˹Quran˺-it is a reminder to the whole world.” And kissing the black stone? Brother, this is one of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of where it is mentioned in a Authentic hadith in the Book of Hajj It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.” It does not mean that we are worshiping the Ka'bah, it is mentioned in Surah Al Baqarah Chapter 2 verse 144 "Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do." so the Ka'bah is nothing else then just the Qiblah, it is only a Direction for all the Believers. And if u ask me brother, why do we circle the ka'bah? The best Answer i could give you is, we are circumambulate around the Ka'bah because we are *Testifying* that there is One God, because a Circle only have one Center, so we are testifying that there is just One, and not Two, or Fours, And i hope that Answers ur Questions brother. The Perfect Knowledge belongs to Allah Swt.
@THUNDERBOLT Brother, you have made a lot of Fitna, a lot of False claims, and InsyaAllah i will Clear every on of your Misconceptions, every one of your Statements and Answer some of your Questions InsyaAllah. First Claim, you said that خَاتَم can also mean a "Ring" but also a "Seal" by this, first we need to know that the Quran is Revealed and is Full of Poetic speech using Literary Devices. The Quran was Revealed when Simple things we understand as Facts today were not even Talked about. Allegory, a poetic device, was used in the Ayah, Allegory simply translates to a Hidden Meaning. And what u r Interpreting as the "Seal can mean he is the stamp or the Signature of prophets" brother, ur cutting the ayah to Pieces, lets go see what the ayah says, With context, "but is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets" this is by Dr Mustafa an in another Interpretation in the saheeh international "but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and seal [i.e., last] of the prophets" Whats the hidden meaning here? You need to learn English Allegory first if you want to find out the hidden meaning, even English cannot Interpret the Quran 100% because the Language of the Quran is much more Mind Boggling if you learn it. What u r interpreting is your own opinion, and nobody cares about opinions, we make Decisions by looking at the Interpretation that is Agreed upon by the Scholars and also Historic Evidence by people who has gone through higher Education, not just Google copy pasta things that has no Basis whatsoever. And u also said "this is not enough to make such a big conclusion that Muhammad (pbuh) is the last." Okay agreed, lets check other verses then Al An'Am 90 "These ˹prophets˺ were ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah, so follow their guidance. Say, “I ask no reward of you for this ˹Quran˺-it is a reminder to the whole world.” Al Furqan 1 "Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion to His servant that he (Muhammad) may be a warner to all the nations" So you dont have any basis on that Argument there Akhi, (i.e Opinions doesnt matter) First Question " why cant Muhammad (pbuh) be like a father to his believers when his wifes are like their mothers?" Now then this Question is a very Good Question, very Common i should say, okay Muslims Also often use the term "Ummahat-ul-Momineen" meaning "Mothers of the Believers" prominently before or after referring to them as a sign of respect, a term derived from Surah Al Ahzab 33:6 But not Specifically, not biologically, but just a Term to Express our Respect to the Wifes of the Prophet (pbuh) But why cant prophet muhammad (pbuh) be expressed the same way as the Wifes? Well he is the Prophet, And we as muslims are not gonna Use the term "Father" to him to Express respect, as his Title as the Prophet is already used to call him in a Respectful manner. Its mentioned in many places in the Quran In surah Al Ahzab in verse 21 "Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often." Second Claim, The main purpose of this verse (33:37 and 33:50) was not to show that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last Prophet but to deal with some Situations at that particular time" Now lets see the verse 50 then "O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you.1 And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her-˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers.2 We know well what ˹rulings˺ We have ordained for the believers in relation to their wives and those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession. As such, there would be no blame on you. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful." As u made your OWN translation above your claim that the verse says "to marry as many womans as he wants" lets clear that Misconception, Allah did not say that, he said that Any woman that the Prophet has given "Mahar" Is a Bride Price, which is a Gift as u know in the arabian culture, marriage was contracted in accordance with the larger needs of the tribe and was based on the need to form alliances within the tribe and with other tribes. Virginity at the time of a first marriage was emphasized as a tribal honor. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married each of his wives thereafter for a social or political purpose; such that he wanted to honor the pious women, or wanted the loyalty of certain tribes so that Islam would spread amongst them. All the wives Muhammad married were not virgin, nor were they young or beautiful. So how can anyone claim that he was a lustful man? He was a man not a god. he undertook the financial responsibilities of his large family, without having large resources. He was just and fair towards them all and did not differentiate between them at all. He followed the practice of previous Prophets , whom no one objected to their plural marriage. He gave all of them their Rights, it is also mentioned in a lot of hadith narrated by Aisyah (RA) that he was a very Romantic Person. So yeah u r right on this one, this verse of Suratul Ahzab verse 50 is Revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) to ease the prophet so that he can deal with the situations back then, marying pious womans, spreading the name of islams in different tribes. But the verse of Suratul Ahzab number 40, you have truly made a false claim there, akhi. Third Claim "many of the rituals and practices in islam are just a continuation from the pre Islamic arabia. And islam is a semi abrahmic religion, semi pagan religion." All of the other claims i can agree upon, but a paganic religion? You have a misconception there akhi, Nowhere in the Quran is mentioned that islam is a paganic religion, let us see the definition of Pagan then Pagan : a person who worships many gods or goddesses or the earth or nature Have i, or any Muslims in the World made a Claim that we Worship the Ka'bah? We have never said that. being a Muslim Means someone who Submitted their will to God Almighty and believe Prophet muhammad (pbuh) as the Last Prophet. As i have mentioned before on my previous Comment, that we do not Worship the Ka'bah, that is the first Point, and that we are Only doing what was Mentioned in the Quran, Ka'bah as being the Directions to All the Believers or as being the Qiblah. and that is the Second Point. And the First Verse that mentioned the Ka'bah is mentioned in Surah Al baqarah Chapter 2:125, now lets check what is the Geographic Coordinate of the Ka'bah 21°25′21.08″N 39°49′34.25″E (You can check this out if you want) You made a claim that Contradicts yourself, that is a Contradistinction, if u want to Understand a religion do not make a fool out of Yourself and make a claim that we are Practicing a Paganic concept, we are not, you can see that a pagan is someone who Worship Gods or Goddess, Having a Direction for Prayer for All of the Believers, that is Unity. I know that you are an Intellegent man, Please, read the Quran throughly and ask about it with the Muslims Scholars or anyone that has Understand it.
One benefit is the constant combination of multiple topics and reminders being presented to the reader. This eliminates the issue of forgetting what was mentioned in previous chapters when a book is written in chronological order.
@@samsam4844 Imagine there's a religious book that happens to claim perfection, no alteration, and divinity from the creator... which isn't even in chronological order! Lmao! Muslims claim that the Quran was set in stone by Allah and declared since the origin of time in heaven, but even Allah can't take the time and consideration to organize his own word based on the timeline he revealed the surahs to Muhammad! Allah is either: 1) lazy/incompetent and doesn't care about his own orderly message to his own creations, which creates a discrepancy with the Quran's ruling of abrogation per Quran verse 16:101, 2) ignorant of the definition of 'perfection' and how it relates to human literature, especially literature claiming to be the only solution to all the world's problems, or 3) a fake, man-made idol whose book was definitely compiled in a scattered and incoherent way by the Muslims after Muhammad's death, where they just hoped no one would question the ordering of the surahs as such. Either way, no deity that claims the status of 'the first and the last' would allow their holy scripture to not be organized in the same fashion as 'the first and the last.' But Muslims will always find a way to justify their silly man-made book. So glad I escaped this illogical religion!
Thank you a lot. You are one of the greatest scholars who studied deeply the Holy Qur'an and understood the beautiful message of Islam. Thank you for sharing with us your knowledge. And may Allah rewards you for all the efforts you made.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Why prophet Mohamed did not collect the Quran? Why khalif Ottman burnt the different version when he collected Quran if they were similar . Why they say Othman burnt the other version to prevent division. Why God could not tell stories of prophets in Quran without interruption Honest muslim
Ottman burnt other versions, that thing people didnt like to whom those belonged. This is real reason he was killed too lol. U hav all info urself, just change ur angle of thinking hehe
Some three decades ago while I was employed in Saudi, I read in Arab News an interview of a Sri Lankan priest who had reverted to Islam. He said that he had a number of doubts earlier while he was preaching Christianity. When he got a copy of Quran and started reading it, he found answers to almost all his doubts in the very first few chapters of the Quran and said that after being convinced, he had accepted Islam.
Well yeah why do people need an answer for everything it’s delivering a specific message not telling you which shampoo will give you soft hair or which is the correct way of chewing your food that’s what we have hadith for 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
All praise be to Allah, who has revealed “ and certainly we have made the word to have many connections for their sake so that they may be mindful “( 28:51) also speaking of mindful, that is alluding, to the think further , as mentioned in several other places, also it speaks of “ to have a comprehensive knowledge of the book “,( also) “ to search out knowledge “ , yet again, it also requires us to “ Seek knowledge “ By way of “ read “( hq) ( think, uses wisdom, and it stress on “ men of learning “ also “ right thinking men “( hq)
Thanks for such a great video, I actually began to listen to the quran on a youtube video, after like 3 hours, I did think it was confusing, this helps clarify as to why it was written the way it was
Quran having its own unique Order.. Not Random.. Ostaz Nouman ali khan is very good explaining That.. Reference to Scholars who is Knowledgeable in the Fields in Oceans of..
@@blackmancool9983 I mean its Not Random but Divine Guidance and a Science by Itself. I believe as a Muslima that Allah Protect Our Deen.. And been More Enlighten by Good Teachers.. Ulama.. We Inherit such Traditions at the same time Applying as far as we can.. I am a Grandmother ما شاء الله Still learning الحمد لله.. It's a humbling journey and building More Trust in The Creator Behind It All.. سبحان الله.. And.. See The Simplicity and Complexity in places i didn't know before. But since i do believe Nothing is Random الله العليم الحكيم.. Not a Leaf falling from a Tree without He Know.. Who Care about A Leaf except The Creator of it ?. Except Botanic Researchers or something in context..
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
In other words there is not only no chronological order in the Qur'an but not even the various topics are arranged in any kind of logical order. So all you do is open a page and receive the message without knowing what went before or what comes after. No wonder Muslims are confused about their holy book.
That isn't right.. Its an Divine Order not in a Methodogy we know. But it's preserved in Books and there are Scholars who capable explaining that. One Teacher Ostaz Nouman ali khan is very good in explaining just this Topic. Its us Muslims who are often ignorent of the classical Arabic language. Back in History Most Muslims from all over the world spoke Arabic. Due to Colonialism and... That changed. The Map of Muslim World changed as we know Saudi Arabia is established by Britain. The best Teacher Ostaz in well spoken English and in love of the Arabic language and Quran is Nouman ali khan.. Sure there is others.. Fex Sheikh Omar Soleiman.. And sheikh Yasir Qadhi come to mind who are Scholarship themselves. Also Sheikh Dr Asim Yusuf classical Scholar.. Dr medical. And Psycholog practice in Manchester.. Facinating history and Deeply knowledgable.. This became long. Sorry about that but I totally understand by Reading often poor translations But I heard new very good translations of Quran to be found in Amazon. Been recommended one translation by a Women but forgot her name.. 🌞 And the Methodogy of Quran is Logic but Unique.. Its a History here
The glorious Quran is just like its Creator. Both are timeless with no beginning and no end. You can start the Quran from the beginning, the end or the middle and still completely grasp it’s essential message. Various characters in the stories are mostly unnamed, thereby making its message applicable to all times and all realms.
Moreover the Quran comes in built with a miraculous numerological arrangement which becomes apparent only after a very careful study. Please Google it and see.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
The Quran is like a piece of classical music. It starts a theme then drops it, then another theme then drops it and so on. Then it comes back to the themes 'composed', sometimes in chronological order, sometimes not. Ps: I paraphrased Patricia Crone 's statement in a documentary under the name : 'Jesus et L'islam'
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
The Quran isn't Jumbled in Arabic nor English. In Arabic it is perfect a living miracle. That's why the Arabs entered into Islam. The wording,grammar,meaning etc is amazing. I dont understand how someone can describe it as Jumbled. Their understanding has to be jumbled.
@@drewmaurice5032 first of all they aren't considered scholars. Jumbled means disorganized. The Quran is FAR from it Look and read the last part (juz) of the Quran its perfectly organized. The Quran might not be arranged in the order it was revealed but the Prophet's companions knew how it was to be arranged.Why? Because the Prophet taught them.
@@sabirabdul-lateef5352 Iman Shabir Ally has a PhD thesis on Quran exegesis. That's in addition to him being the incumbent President of the Toronto Islamic and Dawah Centre, and the author of over a dozen books on Islam and Judaism and Christianity. The man is a scholar. I notice the trend of you traditional Muslims who will throw Muslim scholars like Shabir Ally and Yasir Qadi under the bus whenever they expose a flaw in your deified Quran.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
I think that the Quran is not linear like literature where you go chapter after chapter in chronological order, and neither is it like poetry. It is multidimensional and passages are connected. I can think of suduko where only the right numbers in the right place can solve it, even though, it has numbers 1 to 9 repeated in it. It is brilliant, beautiful, and makes you think.
The question I wish she would have asked is why wasn't the Quran written down in the order in which it was revealed? To me this is the bigger question.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
@@pedroamaralcouto pedro do you read /speak Arabic? If not ,you're not qualified to even enter this conversation . This isn't the Bible where we come to conclusions based on translations. We have tons of texts in Arabic that could refute your claim.
@@sabirabdul-lateef5352, I asked you when the Quran was compiled. If you think that asking it requires knowing Arabic, then you're not qualified to write about the subject. I have a copy of the Quran in Arabic and Portuguese. If you really believe you need me at least to read Arabic, you may answer in Arabic and I'll reply in Arabic. Of course, if I do it, you must apologize me for being rude and trying to avoid answering my question. If you refuse anyway to answer the question, it's reasonable to conclude you don't know the answer to my question.
@@pedroamaralcouto His idea was to actually avoid answering the question. That's why he was being rude. What does knowing Arabic have to do with giving an answer. One can explain what is in Arabic into various languages.
Please give some background contextual information first. What kind of order the Quran does currently have? Who compiled it and when? How the Surahs are named? Does any Surah has verses from both Mecca and Madina times? Did the Muslims who memorised the Quran, did it in chronological order? If so, then why and when that was changed?
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
I think we can't compare Quran with our daily life books, which are at the end contains 1 or max 4-5 specific ideologies to carry on, and even targeting some specific humans categories. While the Quran it's a total different and a unique approach within a single compiled book targeting the whole humanity, covering all aspects of the life, and showcasing the existence and all the creations with no ends at both sides! We must realize that Quran is not a book, it's God talking to us, in a form of book. So when reading it, we need to forget about comparing it to other books.
It's fascinating to delve into the intricate aspects of the Quran's arrangement. The ordering of verses and chapters in the Quran isn't explicitly explained within the text itself, leading Muslim scholars to engage in deep contemplation and propose various theories to shed light on its seemingly "jumbled" nature. It's truly remarkable to discover that many esteemed scholars agree on the absence of a linear coherence in the Quran, prompting a quest for understanding. Different theories have emerged to explain this unique structure. Some scholars suggest that the Quran's arrangement was intentional, designed to serve a specific purpose. They draw parallels between its structure and a collection of quotations, akin to gathering speeches from a revered figure and compiling them into a coherent book. While each speech remains internally cohesive, there may be limited coherence between them as a whole. It is important to note that this topic remains an ongoing debate within Islamic theology, showcasing the vibrant and diverse intellectual tradition within the Muslim community. In the midst of this discourse, one scholar from India named Hameed uddin Farahi made significant strides in unraveling the internal coherence within the Quranic text. Farahi's profound understanding of the authentic ancient Arabic language spoken by the Quraysh tribe during the 7th century allowed him to appreciate and uncover hidden connections within the Quran. His groundbreaking work has had a profound impact, inspiring his students Amin Islahi and Javed Ghamidi to further develop interpretations of Islam based on Farahi's breakthrough.
@@kravislagando not really . Maybe the people who compiled it intended it to be this way. It's not impossible. Humans have done amazing things in the past .not everything can be explained like how technology was created or the pyramids being built
Reading the quran for the first time and the first thing I thought is how refreshing to see it get straight to the point versus the Bible saying like...here's where it started and then here's how it ended up. It's very interesting and I could see myself skipping to any page and taking something from any story or segment.
It is not just that the Quran lacks chronological order, but it gives no clue to the chronology of the events it talks about. Without referring to the Bible, would a reader of the Quran know who came first out of Jesus, Abraham, Moses or Joseph? There are so many characters who suddenly pop up with no introduction - as if it is assumed the reader is familiar with the Bible narrative. Also, there is very little that can be determined from context. Context is very important when interpreting the Bible, and if a is not clear, you look at the surrounding passage - and perhaps even the previous page or the next page. With the Quran, this will generally be on a different topic altogether, so does not help. A book which is from God should explain itself, and not need men to tell you what is means to say.
The Quran is a compilation of revelations that came to the prophet Mohamed. It was not a book until years after his death. The quran was not there to teach people the abrahamic religion familiy tree, I don't know if you can read the book in arabic, But if you can, You would see that it is much closer to poesy than normal literature.
@@ka7al958 My point is not about a family tree. It is that God has been bringing about a plan of salvation since the beginning of time. The Bible shows this plan unfolding. The Quran is like a map which has been cut into pieces and reassembled in the dark.
The Quran is not about a historical account; rather it is a book of revelations that spoke to unfolding events and provided guidance. For example, originally, there was not an ought ban on the consumption of alcohol, but after some believers went to the Mosque drunk, a revelation came down banning the consumption of alcohol. Another example is, in war, some of the slain Muslims had their faces bashed in by the enemy; then a revelation came down, banning Muslims from carrying out such practices on their slain enemies.
As the Muslim community grew, there arose questions on law, marriages, diet, hygiene and everyday living; revelations came down and gave guidance on ALL aspects of life. The Quran is a book of guidance on how to relate to God, humans, nature and the environment. In other words, it is a book of guidance on a God-centred complete way of life.
@AB Nr Well his first fatal flaw is that he assumes it's written by god and that it's perfect. If that's your starting point then you will try to find anything to fit your existing belief. He fails entirely to demonstrate his opinion objectively.
@AB Nr You're right, it's very difficult to have a rational discussion with someone who believes in god. No, obviously I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in zeus, aphrodite, shiva, thor, goblins or fairies. There is no evidence anywhere in the world, nor has there ever been for the existence of god. There is no reason to believe in god... except one: wishful thinking.
Dont forget the numerical patterns of the Quran confirm that the compilation and order of the Quran was not only guided but intended by Allah. Dr Shabir has made many videos on this
The Number 19 miracle has been debunked. For it to work, it has to delete the last two verses in chapter 9. The man who invented this alleged pattern was known as a innovator.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 you ignorant fool. The individual you speak about is Rashad khalifa who took the work too far, despite this the number 19 patterns still are present. Not even only this rgere are many mathematical patterns not just 19
@@Hamza000h Parlor games. You can do that with just about any book. You just select what works and reject what doesn't. Did you know that Shabir Ally has abandoned this argument? Even he is too ashamed to use it any more. Yet Muslims hold on to bad ideas because they are desperate to validate their false prophet.
@THUNDERBOLT Sorry but you seem to have a lot of strange assumptions in your argument. Firstly, what makes you think your identity dies in your sleep? I've often had dreams where I have the same moral values as I do while I'm awake and I even make decisions that I would make when I'm awake. So one's identity isn't lost while asleep. Secondly, saying that everything you see in dreams is solely you isn't true from an Islamic perspective. We say there are 3 influences on our dreams: 1) our own experiences (as you mentioned), 2) Almighty God's guidance, and lastly 3) the Devil's whispers or negative influence. We always have a religious identity - while awake, while asleep and even after death.
Why is the Quran so jumbled? Because God didn't put it together. Why is it so repetitive? Because God didn't put it together. Why does it lack basic detail. Because God didn't put it together.
Another question I have. "If the koran is out of chronological order who was the person that decided to lay it out as it is found today? Surely this is changing what originally came down and that is altering the koran and therefore corrupting it. Allah said no man can change the word of Allah did he not?
The title seems inappropriate, and send wrong signals ,specially to those who donot understand Islam. Alternately,titles such as,"why is there no sequence in Quran" or Why is Quran different from other books etc could have been selected.Jumbling or mumbling doesn't go with revealed books.
I was doing some research. I find it interesting that Jesus died about 600 years before the quran was written by Mohammed. Mohammed said that the quran was dictated to him by the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who was sitting in a chair (Possibly a throne) in space between heaven and Earth. Who is the ruler of the 1st layer of heaven (space) and Earth? Satan is. Joseph Smith said that an "angel of light" appeared to him and gave him the book of Mormon written on gold tablets (that no one else has ever seen). What does the bible say about Satan? It says that he comes as an "angel of light" to deceive many. The Bible is the only book that claims to be the direct inspiration of God. It also claims that God Himself dictated to Moses, not angels. Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, wrote the first Watchtower Bible in 1884. (Didn't even claim it came from God or an angel. (Just his translation). So, the majority of the Bible was dictated by God and written prior to the quran and the catholic bible and the book of Mormon and the Jehovah's Witness bible. So, which one do you think we should put our faith in?
Perhaps the simplest answer to this question is to say that the Quran did not have any chronological order. Rather - it was COLLECTED at a short period of time from already pre-existing religious mythologies. To better understand the development of the Quran would be to look into the people who have edited it, put it together, and look into who those people were and what was their purpose. What was the social, political and cultural environment of the editors of the Quran? After all - it did not arrange itself into what it is … SOMEONE or some group of people arranged it. So when we get to know these people - we will learn more about the Quran. It is also a good practice to investigate where the Quranic stories are taken from, and how they are altered from the originals
Quran is such messed up book that can't possibly come from God but human, you can see question like " Have you heard the story of Moses ?" Yet the story was already told in the earlier chapters
An unintelligent person criticising the Qur'an? The Book is here rendered almost literally and every effort has been made to choose befitting language. But the result is not the Glorious Koran, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy. It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Koran - and peradventure something of the charm - in English. Briefly, the rhetoric and rhythm of the Arabic of the Koran are so characteristic, so powerful, so highly emotive, that any version whatsoever is bound in the nature of things to be but a poor copy of the glittering splendour of the original. Never was it more true than in this instance that traduttore traditore. My chief reason for offering this new version of a book which has been 'translated' many times already is that in no previous rendering has a serious attempt been made to imitate, however imperfectly, those rhetorical and rhythmical patterns which are the glory and the sublimity of the Koran. The sudden fluctuations of theme and mood will then no longer present such difficulties as have bewildered critics ambitious to measure the ocean of prophetic eloquence with the thimble of pedestrian analysis. Arthur Arberry
zuyyina lilnnāsi hubbu l-shahawāti mina l-nisai wal-banīna wal-qanāṭīri l muqanțarati mina l-dhahabi wal-fidati wal-khayli l-musawamati wal-an'āmi wal harthi dhalika mata'u l-ḥayati l-dun'yā wal lahu 'indahu hus'nu l-maābi Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best ** return**. This ayat is in surah 3 number 14 The word (maabi) it is translateted (Place of return) and we know that π radian is 180°. bal badā lahum mā kānū yukh'fūna min qablu walaw ** ruddū la'ādū** limā nuhū 'anhu wa-innahum lakādhibūna The truth they used to hide will become all too clear to them. But if they were sent back, they would return to what they had been forbidden. For they are indeed liars. This ayat is in surah 6 verse 28 Do you see the pattern know. The words (ruddu laadu) have the meaning a full return to the same point so 2π= 6.28 radian = 360 °. All thanks are to Allah.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
I use Quran as a filter, to me its a filter through which 'false' beliefs get removed from your life and you can get ready to open up more for future with a pure mind.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE AYAT IN QURAN IN WHICH GOD IS SPEAKING HIMSELF, RATHER IT IS A THIRD PERSON WHO IS TALKING TO MANKIND ON BEHALF OF GOD. THIS INDICATES QURAN IS NOT FROM GOD BUT SOME ONE ELSE.
@@sciencefollower He has made you of a single soul then He made its mate from that and sent down for you eight pairs of cattle. He makes you in the wombs of your mothers, first in one pattern then in another, in three fold darkness. This is Allah your Lord, His is the kingdom. None is to be worshipped, besides Him, then where are you turning away? (az-Zumar: 6). And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay (12). Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging (13). Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators (14). Then indeed, after that you are to die (15) (QS. al-Mukminun: 12-15). Can a person who can't even read or write in the desert of Arabia 1400 years ago know this fact?, there many scientists who revert to islam after read the Qur'an and found out about islam, you can also read a book titled quran bible and science by dr morris who revert to islam
If you are arabic speaking you would love and understand why the Quran is the perfect book that has no equal. You can randomly open the Quran on any page and learn a lesson and get a message. You don't need to open it from the beginning or a certain page unless you are looking for specific topic.
Because The Quran is presented in such a way, I never get bored reading it years after years after years. Sometimes if I am too busy, I just randomly flip a page to read a single verse and still find something useful to ponder about whether it s about The Stars and Universe, The Creation of Mankind, Angels and Satan, Baby In The Womb, Women's Rights, Orbital Systems etc. but in the end all these topics will tie back to The Creator. Indeed it is a Book of Guidance. Like no matter where you look at, go or do in your life .. you exist because of your Creator and you are to serve your Creator.
@@darkwing5458 Shalom you said:Why do you think you need to serve the creator? My reply: Because we are the Creations. Creations worship Creator.. Because the creator created the Creations. So the creator wants his Creations to obey him because he created them. So why not serve the creator? Name me 1 company that hires ANY employees and those employees dont obey the company and the company still pays them. Can you name such company? You said:Why do you think the Muslim way is the right way? My reply: We have a living proof. Living evidence. Living Miracle. I can just bring you 1 promise.. A living promise. The Quran promised to preserve the body of pharon and keep it a sign for the people.. The promise is living till Now.. The body of pharon is there in Egypt displayed for the people. Imagine from the time of Moses till now, that body is still preserved.. Can you bring me a greater promise than this? If this person's promise is still fulfilled do you really think he not capable of fulfilling the other promises? Fi-Amaniellah
@@darkwing5458 Supposedly I am all alone stranded on an Island ever since I am a baby and raised by a pack of wolves or any other animal and never come across any written document from any other human civilizations .. I am million percent will still believe that I have been created by The Ultimate Supreme Being. If I have been created then there must be an ultimate reason why I came into existence and not just to exist. Just to exist? Is that enough? What is that ultimate reason? What is that reason? There must be a reason. There is a reason for everything. Nothing happens by chance. Even the flap of a butterfly wings contribute to the flow of wind no matter how small the effect is. If no one ever told me the reason, instinctively I know that I want to submit and serve to the will of The Supreme Being that has created me. That reason alone enough to justify my existence. And, if ever get the chance to leave the island then I will seek human, books, information and knowledge without any prejudice that best show me how to serve or submit to The Creator . And, the Muslim way fit perfectly in my ultimate Quest.
@@darkwing5458 you said:And who told you a creation is supposed to worship the creator, you assumed this My reply: then what should we do? You tell me.. The preservation of pharon isnt a enough sign? I can bring you prophesies about the signs of the day of judgement. If you want. Or you can look it up in the websites since the chances of you replying is less And another person explained to you with the example of the Island etc. Perfect explanation indeed. You should reply because eventually you will stand in front of your lord and you will be told "I gave you a whole life to search after me but you were busy in all that which was temporary".. This world is a test for the next life. Follow the the creator, paradise is yours.. (you dont just expect to just live to the fullest and get paradise for free in the next the life). Thats not how it works. You earn your way to paradise by serving the creator. You probably will smirk while reading this but at least Get a Quran and Read the Quran and confirm my words... We have someone who wanted to band Islam and then after researching he ended up saying the Shahadah.. You can look it up the video is call "Why I left the far right by Joram Van Klavaren".in that video there is how he was before Islam and how he turned after Islam.. You deleted your comment but a part of it still visible at my notification.. So i replied to the part that was still visible. There is nothing wrong in replying, mate.
Very very complex question ....dr Shabbir in his style tried his best to answer even after dr Safiya tried to pin him down ... one answer is Allah knows best...as per ourselves more research needed by our esteemed scholars who r guiding the ummah in v difficult times
It is a perfect form that keeps the mind engaged. A book which runs like a story stables quickly. One never ties of the quran. It is one of the miracles of the quran. The critics are often idiots with little literary or logical skills.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
@AB Nr My friend my book is inspired word of God and your book confirms it. The inspiration preservation and authority of the Bible is confirmed by koran so if my book is right and it contradicts your book koran that mean that your book koran is wrong no matter how you look at it. So come to Jesus my friend he is the Savior who became human to save your sinful soul. Thank you
In verse 2:7 of Quran, Allah said that Allah has punished the Non-Muslim by seizing their heart. He also made them (non-Muslims) deaf and Blind. In verse 5:14 of Quran Allah said that, Allah caused among them (Non-Muslims) animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. In verse 5:64 of Quran Allah said that, We (Allahs) have cast among them (Jews) animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. In verse 5:91 of Quran Allah said that Satan's plan is to excite enmity and hatred between you. It is clear from the above verses that the action of Md. Allah and Satan is same because both of them produce animosity and hatred among the people. Therefore, Quran teaches us Md. Allah is a Satan himself.
Im a 7th Day Adventist Christian. Heres a few line of reasonings to consider using in order to win over to the truth in Christ Jesus. 1. The character/prophets of the bible and the prophets in islam that are the same such as adam,eve, enoch,noah, moses, king david and so on. Because islam does not give us the full story of their life or tell us how they came to be ask our muslim friend can the lineage in the bible be trusted. 2. Secondly the common prophets/characters in islam often have a partial life story or none at all such as enoch. Then ask can the bible be trusted to let us know who enoch is or let us know who the other prophet is who name is only found else where beside the quran or the holy bible. The line of reasoning is to build confidence in the validity of the bible and not to dispute. 3. Because the life of moses is incomplete in the quran and does not explain about the tabernacle in the wilderness, the feast days, pass over or day of atonement. Ask if the bible can be trusted to understand what those things were about and what they stood for. If the bible is to be trusted to understand the prophets of the quran or to know who there parents are or to know their full life story. Does the validity of the bible have weight. This is just a few small examples using a line of reasoning to bring a believer in the quran to the attention of the accuracy and validity of the bible. The purpose and goal is to show the truth in love and not in vain disputing.
Sorry, I really didn't get the actually reason why it's not in Chronological order. Was the order given by Allah or Muhammad, if so where is that evidence? Thanks!
When and where did Allah ordered to arrange Quran not according it's chronological order. This is nonsense. Changing Allah's book's chronological order without the order of Allah.
The Holy Quran was revealed according to Allah plan. Its verses are in perfect order and harmony. It has its own style and rhythm. It is authored by Allah. The quran never follows the style of human writing, that is what makes the Holy Quran unique . It challenges those who say it is authored by Muhammad
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Verses missing (as per sahih hadiths), Verses jumbled (so as to not have even 2 complete stories in order), grammatical inconsistencies, scientific errors, too much hatred for other religions, multiple Arabic korans (implying human intervention), the Koran is just an Arabic poetry book. There were many "soothesayers" at Muhammad s time. No doubt the earliest records state he wanted to kill all poets.
If surahs are not arranged in chronological order, today's Quran is different from what was revealed to Muhammad. Allah knows best, but someone (who compiled the Quran) knows even better. Probably the Quran is a collection of distinct texts and there never was an original chronological order.
@@_righteous_sinner He debated Anjem Choukdri and Karim A'hanafi and Shabir Ally before and Zakir Naik. Karim A'lhanafi had many many followers and he lost half of them he was the top France daaee.
Hassamo needs guidance not debates. His personal life is falling apart. You don't go to a rude man who sits at home supporting himself through donations based on false narratives he gives about Islam. P.S. Hassamo already debated and got schooled by Shabir on how to debate.
Good answer. Hope the next question is not: Why God didn't reveal the Qur'an with an index to navigate through it ! ? May Allah SWT bless Dr. Shabbir Ally and his team, ameen !
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
@AB Nr if it isn't fake, it's a evil book. Because you have a man how went into a cave talks to god know what and runs home tells his wife she takes him to waraqa, the man says I've seen the devil and is wife and waraqa persuade the man it wasn't the devil it was Gabriel, here is a story. The end of Qathem, the beginning of Muhammad. There was a woman named Amna bint Wahab she married Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalibtheu, they had a son called Qathem but there's a twist in this marriage. Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib died and Qathem was born 4 years after his father's death. Aminah was accused of adultery and the family never excepted Qathem. The family say there was a man called waraqa he was having affair with Aminah, (they was supposed to get married but it never happened).everywhere Qathem went waraqa was with Qathem. One day Qathem went missing everyone thought Qathem had been kidnapped! they was looking for him everywhere, they found him he was playing with waraqa...when waraqa died, Muhammad was so sad he tried to commit suicide several times! They say waraqa got his sister to sleep with Abdullah so he wouldn't have time to sleep with Aminah. Sadly Qathem mother died and he was shifted around by his family At 25 he met and married khadija. One day Qathem went to the caves a dark figure approaches Qathem, Qathem looks up and the dark figure look into his eyes and squeezes Qathem so hard he felt a stabbing pain...the dark figure says READ, I CAN NOT READ Qathem says with fear in is voice, the figure squeezes for the second time and says READ, Qathem says I CAN NOT READ with fear in is voice and face twisted with pain, the the dark figure came closer to Qathem and for the third time squeezes harder and says READ, for the third time Qathem falls back the pain shot through his body like fire, he looks at the dark figure with fear in is eyes, voice quivering, body shaking, eyes full of tears says I CAN NOT READ...some how Qathem gets free of the entirety, and scrambles towards the entrance of the cave shaking, runs keeps running until he gets home and tells his wife khadija that he's seen the devil up in the cave, Qathem was hiding under a blanket shaking with fear, to calm him down khadija put him on her lap and took her clothes off as he was panicking, asks what as happened? Qathem couldn't stop crying and shaking shouting IT WAS THE DEVIL, i have seen the devil in the the cave! So khadija took Qathem to a relative called waraqa, Qathem explained what happened, waraqa said it was not the devil it was angel gabriel...it was he who said it was gabriel not the devil...khadija and waraqa persuaded Qathem that its was gabriel and he is a prophet. Was Qathem right? was it the devil? After all satan did put words in Muhammeds mouth! Muhammad recited Surat-an-Najm from satan, chapter 53 of the qur'an. Did Muhammad strike a deal with satan? To make people worship Muhammad like a god...by calling him the praised one. I thought only God can forgive sins and be the praised one...why do muslims after glorify muhammad every morning and evening? Is that not worship? Is Muhammad the true God of the qur'an?
It fulls of REMINDERS..that's why it seems 'scattered'. And Quran is not history book, so it's not necessarily has to be chronological. Also tho the arrangement seems odd, yet it's so connected from one chapter to the next, and many other systematic composition from continuity to mathematical wonders for instance. Look it up..
One of our best wishes was if the Quran was ordered in the same order it was revealed! However I fail to understand why scholars changed the order to the present one. This is much more difficult to study!
I use Quran as a filter, to me its a filter through which 'false' beliefs get removed from your life and you can get ready to open up more for future with a pure mind.
The Quran is not only completely random and unpleasant to read, but also insufficient/useless without secondary sources like the Hadith, so its randomness is not even the biggest problem.
I suppose pornographic biblical verses and pointless stories which are nothing but utter rubbish, and clear cut contradictions in the bible would perhaps suffice for your, "dissatisfaction". And the Quran does not require ahadith to be understood, please educate yourself on this topic.
@THUNDERBOLT huh no? You must be some christian troll to say such things. I said "Non arab muslim have no way to understand our holy book." because these atheist only search for contradiction and so on and by translating our holy book it changes the message, but islam is universal tho
@@RM-RF-z3h Christians don't consider the issues, which you're describing, because we have solid reasons for everything in the Bible, meanwhile everything that we know about the history of Islam or information about such (crucial) personality as Muhammad, comes strictly from the Hadith/Sirah, and the whole practical side of Islam is 99% dependent on the Hadith, so the Hadith and the later Tafsirs were made because the Muslims couldn't agree on the Quran, and that's a fact.
There is definite pattern, arrangement and organisation of surahs in the Quran. Most of our scholars are not aware of it and miss out on a lot of hikmah. Aly seems confused himself. He should listen to Javed A Ghamidi to know more.
Does a person who declares that he/she is a Salafee continue to belong to the four Madhabs (Hanafi or Shafee or Hambalee or Malakee) or should the person declare that he/she is no longer adhering to any of the four Madhabs?
First, there is no need to declare yourself to be salafees unless you are a scholar. Second, adhere yourself to four madhabs is an ideal things to do as a muslim, no matter if you are salafees or not. Those four imams are salafees them self. May Allah guide you.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
A helpful explanation with a useful reference work by Richard Elliott Friedman to follow-up. I also found that Bill Warner's An Abridged Koran - The Reconstructed Historical Koran (CSPI 2006) is also useful as it seem to map out in a chronological manner or provide a helpful key to the Koran.
Surah 5 : 3 ("Today I have perfected your faith for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way.") was the first Surah to be revealed chronologically. This means that allah completed and perfected the faith by the third verse of the first Surah. Allah could have then just rested on his laurels but he had to continue with another 113 Surahs to confuse the muslims completely and he jumbled them up totally so in the future a busy muslim could eat an apple and get a better understanding of the koran by selecting a Surah to read randomly. Is this what you are so laboured trying to explain to us Dr Ally?
verses connect from different chapters as well for example [4:144] O you who believe! Do not befriend disbelievers rather than believers. Do you want to give God a clear case against you? Is explained in 60 verse 8 and 9 8. As for those who have not fought against you for your religion, nor expelled you from your homes, God does not prohibit you from dealing with them kindly and equitably. God loves the equitable. 9. But God prohibits you from befriending those who fought against you over your religion, and expelled you from your homes, and aided in your expulsion. Whoever takes them for friends-these are the wrongdoers.
He is negating the very ayat that states “that if all the seas were ink and all the trees pens you still wouldn’t be able to encompass the meaning and vastness of the Quran”.It’s the complete manual for life.Where does this guy get the idea that Quran has its limitations ,I ask you
God says in the Quran that it is written down by faithful scribes, so the Quran was compiled at the time of the Prophet Muhammad so the Quran was in chronological order unless we find evidence that it isn’t, we have manuscripts that go back to the time of the Prophet and the 1st century that match the Quran we have today. I think the Quran is in chronological order but Even if its not the Quran is there, just because its not in chronological order doesn’t change the fact that it is preserved.
@THUNDERBOLT 1) Quran 33:40, this ayat gives us message that Mohammed(ﷺ) was the last prophet. (If you wanted knowledge then the above ayat can be starting point for you to research. If you want to debate then, I know in modern times few people are trying interpret many parts of Quran differently. It's ok, It's Allah's religion, it's up to Allah to protect his message from corruption and guide people to truth , we are mere his servents, sincere people will be guided by to truth.) 2) nowhere Quran says to kiss black stone.
Also I respectfully disagree with Dr Shabbir that Quran has its limitations. The jumbled format adds layers upon layers. It forces reader to think out of box to limitless zone.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Jazakallahu Khairan. As Salam u Alaikum Dr Shabbir, Can you please share us with your thoughts on new Knowledge put forward by Dr. Hany Atchan (Marvelous Quran Channel). We would appreciate if you could put some lights with analytic views on Dr. Han"s discovery. His talks are throwing challenges on many of the traditional concepts. He is creating a new history and putting up many great, attractive and reasonably acceptable yet challenging thoughts. We are looking forward for views of all 'Raasikhuna Fil Ilm' to help us understand, identify and follow the right track. We are anxiously waiting for comments from the revered and renowned Islamic scholars of present times like you, Dr Shabbir. I hope and pray for the channel 'Let Quran Talks' to play the unique role as played always in helping us all to identify the correct path. Best regards.
I heard the Quran described like this in comparison to the Bible. Dr. Ali Ataie says the Bible is a very linear book: beginning, middle and end. You start with Genesis, then you go through the ancient patriarchs, the time of David and Solomon, Judges and the division of of the Kingdom, time of the Babylonians, Assyrian invasion of Babylon, Persian Period. In the New Testament you have a Greek and Roman period, at the end of the New Testament you have Revelations. So a very linear book indeed. The Quran is a jumbled, achronological mess because man is used to the linearity of human writing. The Quran is CIRCULAR in it's logic. Take for instance the second chapter of the Quran surah al-baqara - I saw a video that says the format is like this: 1. faith and unbelief 2. creation and knowledge 3. laws given to the Israelites 4. test of Abraham 5. the middle of the section in which there is a change in the direction of prayer and it also states that the believers are a middle nation in verse 143, which is the middle verse of this entire chapter. 6. test of Muslims 7. laws given to Muslims 8. creation and knowledge 9. faith and unbelief This is merely FORMAT of the Quran! This is incredible to me, this isn't even mentioning word occurrences, miracle of numbers, knowledge about past events verified by modern times, and scientific verses. Even weird stuff like this that pertains to, in my opinion, the current state of the US. Quran 2:11 "When it is said to them, "Do not spread disorder on the earth", they say, "We are but reformers." Is all this NOT incredible enough for the disbelievers?!?!
John 11:25 : "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die" As we saw in this video Shabir struggled to explain the reason why a book send from God was unchronological jumping from one topic to another and confusing. 1 Corinthians 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Confusion... Do you know there are 50,000 errors and contradictions in the Bible as claimed by the Church? As to peace, do you know that Bible is known as the most Vl0LENT scripture?
@THUNDERBOLT Yes, all creations in this universe, including all the messengers and prophets from Adam (AS) to Muhammad (PBUH) obey their Creator, Allah the Almighty. Hope that helps.
@THUNDERBOLT When you are working in a company, you need to obey your leaders above us who carry the instructions from the one right above. Ultimately all of us have the duty to obey the rules set up by the Big Boss, the owner of the company himself. Hope that helps.
@THUNDERBOLT All the prophets were sent to deliver and teach the message of their Lord, Allah SWT to mankind. The message comes ONLY from Allah SWT. Hope that helps.
Do Muslims actually quote the Quran or do they just say how beautiful and perfect it is. Everyone that talks about the Quran just gives their opinion instead actually quoting it. It seems very suspicious. If I wanted to know how to love people on earth the Quran should tell me but I don't think it does and if so what does it say?
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The best answer is that the book is from Allah. When we write a book we follow what we believe our logic to be. But we are typically describing science, math or even a story book. The Quran is about religion. We as followers of islam go in and out of our adherence. So maybe during the day you were getting close to some sin, then when you go to pray you hear a surah that speaks about being strong in faith and avoiding sins. Maybe something occurs where you lost someone and you read a surah and you will see that you should be patient.
It is a perfectly design book for this.
Why can't chronological order be from the creation of the world to the death of Muhammad ( SAWS )? like the bible?
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Allah & His Beloved Prophet Muhammad(saw) know Best. In my opinion & like a Muslim brother said the Quran will be commands of Allah during the life of Hazrat Muhammad(saw) on earth. But Hazrat Muhammad(saw) forbade that his sayings be compiled while Quran was being revealed and only after 100yrs were it compiled by Hazrat Bhukari. May be if instead of compiling the Quran by Themes we were to compile it in a chronological order We’l be able to better apply Allah’s Commands in our daily life. May Allah Guide us all.
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I've heard that the Quran is fractal in nature. I imagine that the order of the Quran's message is specifically tuned to our psychology, such that one who reads it regularly at a deliberate and mindful pace will be drawn to the teachings more deeply than with other orderings.
Another piece I've found is that because the Quran isn't always immediately clear in terms of its context and chronology, it almost forces those who are curious to actually go out and LEARN that stuff. It's not a book I read and go "Oh, I get it". It's a book I read and go "Oh, wow, I'm starting to get it... But I'm still not quite there". It calls me to actually go out and learn about various interpretations, various commentaries, and various approaches.
In my opinion, it's an ordering that calls us to seek deeper understanding, rather than simply giving us the impression that we understand it without the concepts actually being fully digested within our hearts.
It's a book designed to be read over and over and over, and in such a sense, a chronological ordering would allow for less "replayability". We would be able to easily predict what God is asking us to reflect on next. But in the style of the Quran as it stands today unless one has taken the time to memorize it, you will always come away with a new surprise of Gods revelation. Something you didn't remember from a previous reading. A new insight that you may have glanced over if the Quran was comfortably chronological, you instead pause upon, and reflect.
In my opinion, it's not a book meant to understand intellectually (although it is also that), but it is rather a book to understand spiritually. And this spiritual understanding requires an entirely different approach than the ways that typical stories are presented.
One last piece... By putting them in this order, it helps to truly showcase how interconnected all of the teachings are. It doesn't let you get stuck with one aspect of Islam, and forget about the others. You must confront it's interconnectedness always. It's an interconnectedness in relation to itself, it's an interconnectedness in relation to you, and it's an interconnectedness in relation to God.
It's a powerful ordering and is surely among His signs.
What u says makes so much senses
what u said is so profound i cannot believe i came across such a gem on the internet
Screenshotted this comment. This is perfectly explained. I don’t know how you did it, but Allah has granted you great eloquency. Do something with it. Spread the message. May Allah bless you and make your path easy.
It's ironic how people love films that jump from one scene to the next yet they criticise this about the quran
Lol..no one loves a film that jumps from one scene to the another without proper context.
One Benefit of having something in chronological order reveals to whom those specific verse originally refering to.
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That's moving the goalposts.
Every (great) film jumps from one thing to another.
The chronology of the Qur'an is a fascinating topic in itself and one for in depth study.
Yes let's compare Holywood to Islam. It's basically the same. A poor remake of the real book (the Bible)
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Thanks for that intelligent comment.
I use Quran as a filter, to me its a filter through which 'false' beliefs get removed from your life and you can get ready to open up more for future with a pure mind.
Dr. Shabir Ali is a wonderful man , he can convince you a cucumber is a banana but you can not see it this way because you do not know how to sit right, God bless Dr.Shabir
I'm doing research on Quran for many years, whole of the Quran is in order. I have done with nearly 20 large surahs but I want give more time for further understanding and clarity.
General order is same in all large surahs.
Doing a research and found Quran is in order and yet you are blinded? eg When you talk about creation, the topic spans several different chapters and 2-4 verses here and there. Ha ha ha
@@hegagi839 The general order of Quran is, it tells us that what ever we do in the whole life in form of good or bad ,is being recorded and will be questioned.
Why Allah discuss creations with us because what ever He has created is obedient to Him except human.
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَهُوَ الَّذِى خَلَقَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْأَرْضَ فِى سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُۥ عَلَى الْمَآءِ لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلًا ۗ وَلَئِنْ قُلْتَ إِنَّكُمْ مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِنۢ بَعْدِ الْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا إِنْ هٰذَآ إِلَّا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ
"And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic.""
(QS. Hud 11: Verse 7)
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
@@mrmass144 I was looking at your Quran and how each verse is related to another but after reading 2-4 verses it jumps to a different topic. You will then read a similar topic in a different chapter and verse. Do you call that order?
It should try to finish the topic within one chapter or at least group them together. It is rather haphazard.
@@hegagi839 The address of the verses of Quran is always specific to certain believers ,certain consequences of our deeds and the last prophet.
Nearly every surah talks in form of 4 to 5 strings of talk that spin around each other up to the end of it.
For beginning you can read chapter 22 Al-hajj , in this chapter Allah addresses whole humanity
in first two verses -final hour is discussed
from verse 3 to verse 18 all type of believers are discussed
and in verse 19 Allah says in my sight you are of two types who have a dispute over me
and then results of our deeds is discussed up to verse 25.
A common question from those unacquainted with Quran. Step back a second... jumbles according to who? Your standards or the one who revealed it? Think about it, sceptics compare the religious scripture to modern day literature which has chapters, chapters which contain chronological order and sequence of events/story, the Quran was revealed in segments and compiled in divine order. Once you study the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم biography and seerah and coherence of Quran, it will leave you to marvel, gems begin unfolding by the permission of Allah. Oh Allah make us people of Quran, make it the light of our chest and remover of our worries ❤️
Why Uthman (ra) was killed?
@THUNDERBOLT Have you been talking to Qadiyanis?
“Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.” (33:40)
@THUNDERBOLT Surah Al An'Am chapter 6 verse 90 "These ˹prophets˺ were ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah, so follow their guidance. Say (Muhammad), “I ask no reward of you for this ˹Quran˺-it is a reminder to the whole world.”
And kissing the black stone?
Brother, this is one of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of where it is mentioned in a Authentic hadith in the Book of Hajj It was narrated that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) came to the Black Stone and kissed it, then he said: “I know that you are only a stone which can neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Were it not that I had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kiss you, I would not have kissed you.”
It does not mean that we are worshiping the Ka'bah, it is mentioned in Surah Al Baqarah Chapter 2 verse 144 "Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do." so the Ka'bah is nothing else then just the Qiblah, it is only a Direction for all the Believers.
And if u ask me brother, why do we circle the ka'bah?
The best Answer i could give you is, we are circumambulate around the Ka'bah because we are *Testifying* that there is One God, because a Circle only have one Center, so we are testifying that there is just One, and not Two, or Fours,
And i hope that Answers ur Questions brother.
The Perfect Knowledge belongs to Allah Swt.
@@zahi5188 it was God's Will
@THUNDERBOLT Brother, you have made a lot of Fitna, a lot of False claims, and InsyaAllah i will Clear every on of your Misconceptions, every one of your Statements and Answer some of your Questions InsyaAllah.
First Claim, you said that خَاتَم can also mean a "Ring" but also a "Seal" by this, first we need to know that the Quran is Revealed and is Full of Poetic speech using Literary Devices. The Quran was Revealed when Simple things we understand as Facts today were not even Talked about. Allegory, a poetic device, was used in the Ayah, Allegory simply translates to a Hidden Meaning.
And what u r Interpreting as the "Seal can mean he is the stamp or the Signature of prophets" brother, ur cutting the ayah to Pieces, lets go see what the ayah says, With context, "but is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets" this is by Dr Mustafa
an in another Interpretation in the saheeh international "but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and seal [i.e., last] of the prophets"
Whats the hidden meaning here? You need to learn English Allegory first if you want to find out the hidden meaning, even English cannot Interpret the Quran 100% because the Language of the Quran is much more Mind Boggling if you learn it.
What u r interpreting is your own opinion, and nobody cares about opinions, we make Decisions by looking at the Interpretation that is Agreed upon by the Scholars and also Historic Evidence by people who has gone through higher Education, not just Google copy pasta things that has no Basis whatsoever.
And u also said "this is not enough to make such a big conclusion that Muhammad (pbuh) is the last."
Okay agreed, lets check other verses then
Al An'Am 90 "These ˹prophets˺ were ˹rightly˺ guided by Allah, so follow their guidance. Say, “I ask no reward of you for this ˹Quran˺-it is a reminder to the whole world.”
Al Furqan 1 "Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion to His servant that he (Muhammad) may be a warner to all the nations"
So you dont have any basis on that Argument there Akhi, (i.e Opinions doesnt matter)
First Question " why cant Muhammad (pbuh) be like a father to his believers when his wifes are like their mothers?"
Now then this Question is a very Good Question, very Common i should say, okay
Muslims Also often use the term "Ummahat-ul-Momineen" meaning "Mothers of the Believers" prominently before or after referring to them as a sign of respect, a term derived from Surah Al Ahzab 33:6
But not Specifically, not biologically, but just a Term to Express our Respect to the Wifes of the Prophet (pbuh)
But why cant prophet muhammad (pbuh) be expressed the same way as the Wifes? Well he is the Prophet, And we as muslims are not gonna Use the term "Father" to him to Express respect, as his Title as the Prophet is already used to call him in a Respectful manner.
Its mentioned in many places in the Quran In surah Al Ahzab in verse 21
"Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often."
Second Claim, The main purpose of this verse (33:37 and 33:50) was not to show that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last Prophet but to deal with some Situations at that particular time"
Now lets see the verse 50 then "O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you.1 And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her-˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers.2 We know well what ˹rulings˺ We have ordained for the believers in relation to their wives and those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession. As such, there would be no blame on you. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
As u made your OWN translation above your claim that the verse says "to marry as many womans as he wants" lets clear that Misconception, Allah did not say that, he said that Any woman that the Prophet has given "Mahar" Is a Bride Price, which is a Gift
as u know in the arabian culture, marriage was contracted in accordance with the larger needs of the tribe and was based on the need to form alliances within the tribe and with other tribes. Virginity at the time of a first marriage was emphasized as a tribal honor.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married each of his wives thereafter for a social or political purpose; such that he wanted to honor the pious women, or wanted the loyalty of certain tribes so that Islam would spread amongst them. All the wives Muhammad married were not virgin, nor were they young or beautiful. So how can anyone claim that he was a lustful man? He was a man not a god.
he undertook the financial responsibilities of his large family, without having large resources. He was just and fair towards them all and did not differentiate between them at all. He followed the practice of previous Prophets , whom no one objected to their plural marriage.
He gave all of them their Rights, it is also mentioned in a lot of hadith narrated by Aisyah (RA) that he was a very Romantic Person.
So yeah u r right on this one, this verse of Suratul Ahzab verse 50 is Revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) to ease the prophet so that he can deal with the situations back then, marying pious womans, spreading the name of islams in different tribes.
But the verse of Suratul Ahzab number 40, you have truly made a false claim there, akhi.
Third Claim "many of the rituals and practices in islam are just a continuation from the pre Islamic arabia. And islam is a semi abrahmic religion, semi pagan religion."
All of the other claims i can agree upon, but a paganic religion? You have a misconception there akhi,
Nowhere in the Quran is mentioned that islam is a paganic religion, let us see the definition of Pagan then
Pagan : a person who worships many gods or goddesses or the earth or nature
Have i, or any Muslims in the World made a Claim that we Worship the Ka'bah? We have never said that.
being a Muslim Means someone who Submitted their will to God Almighty and believe Prophet muhammad (pbuh) as the Last Prophet.
As i have mentioned before on my previous Comment, that we do not Worship the Ka'bah, that is the first Point, and that we are Only doing what was Mentioned in the Quran, Ka'bah as being the Directions to All the Believers or as being the Qiblah. and that is the Second Point.
And the First Verse that mentioned the Ka'bah is mentioned in Surah Al baqarah Chapter 2:125, now lets check what is the Geographic Coordinate of the Ka'bah 21°25′21.08″N 39°49′34.25″E (You can check this out if you want)
You made a claim that Contradicts yourself, that is a Contradistinction, if u want to Understand a religion do not make a fool out of Yourself and make a claim that we are Practicing a Paganic concept, we are not, you can see that a pagan is someone who Worship Gods or Goddess, Having a Direction for Prayer for All of the Believers, that is Unity.
I know that you are an Intellegent man, Please, read the Quran throughly and ask about it with the Muslims Scholars or anyone that has Understand it.
One benefit is the constant combination of multiple topics and reminders being presented to the reader. This eliminates the issue of forgetting what was mentioned in previous chapters when a book is written in chronological order.
Maybe Quran was written in scattered and incoherent way to recognize it s not from God
@@samsam4844 Imagine there's a religious book that happens to claim perfection, no alteration, and divinity from the creator... which isn't even in chronological order! Lmao! Muslims claim that the Quran was set in stone by Allah and declared since the origin of time in heaven, but even Allah can't take the time and consideration to organize his own word based on the timeline he revealed the surahs to Muhammad!
Allah is either:
1) lazy/incompetent and doesn't care about his own orderly message to his own creations, which creates a discrepancy with the Quran's ruling of abrogation per Quran verse 16:101,
2) ignorant of the definition of 'perfection' and how it relates to human literature, especially literature claiming to be the only solution to all the world's problems, or
3) a fake, man-made idol whose book was definitely compiled in a scattered and incoherent way by the Muslims after Muhammad's death, where they just hoped no one would question the ordering of the surahs as such.
Either way, no deity that claims the status of 'the first and the last' would allow their holy scripture to not be organized in the same fashion as 'the first and the last.' But Muslims will always find a way to justify their silly man-made book. So glad I escaped this illogical religion!
What a great conclusion@@samsam4844
Thank you a lot. You are one of the greatest scholars who studied deeply the Holy Qur'an and understood the beautiful message of Islam. Thank you for sharing with us your knowledge. And may Allah rewards you for all the efforts you made.
There is one greater than him javad ahmed ghamdi
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Very sensible & pragmatic focus on the issue raised in the video .
Why prophet Mohamed did not collect the Quran? Why khalif Ottman burnt the different version when he collected Quran if they were similar .
Why they say Othman burnt the other version to prevent division. Why God could not tell stories of prophets in Quran without interruption
Honest muslim
Ottman burnt other versions, that thing people didnt like to whom those belonged. This is real reason he was killed too lol. U hav all info urself, just change ur angle of thinking hehe
Some three decades ago while I was employed in Saudi, I read in Arab News an interview of a Sri Lankan priest who had reverted to Islam. He said that he had a number of doubts earlier while he was preaching Christianity. When he got a copy of Quran and started reading it, he found answers to almost all his doubts in the very first few chapters of the Quran and said that after being convinced, he had accepted Islam.
Interesting story.
Catholics in Sri Lanka
i love dr shabir ally’s honesty, many blind faithfuls would never say the Quran is only so many pages long and can only cover so many things (limited)
Well yeah why do people need an answer for everything it’s delivering a specific message not telling you which shampoo will give you soft hair or which is the correct way of chewing your food that’s what we have hadith for 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Always, something to learn.thank you .
All praise be to Allah, who has revealed “ and certainly we have made the word to have many connections for their sake so that they may be mindful “( 28:51) also speaking of mindful, that is alluding, to the think further , as mentioned in several other places, also it speaks of “ to have a comprehensive knowledge of the book “,( also) “ to search out knowledge “ , yet again, it also requires us to “ Seek knowledge “ By way of “ read “( hq) ( think, uses wisdom, and it stress on “ men of learning “ also “ right thinking men “( hq)
Thanks for such a great video, I actually began to listen to the quran on a youtube video, after like 3 hours, I did think it was confusing, this helps clarify as to why it was written the way it was
Quran having its own unique Order..
Not Random..
Ostaz Nouman ali khan is very good explaining That..
Reference to Scholars who is Knowledgeable in the Fields in Oceans of..
Random
@@blackmancool9983 I mean its Not Random but Divine Guidance and a Science by Itself. I believe as a Muslima that Allah Protect Our Deen..
And been More Enlighten by Good Teachers..
Ulama..
We Inherit such Traditions at the same time Applying as far as we can..
I am a Grandmother ما شاء الله
Still learning الحمد لله..
It's a humbling journey and building More Trust in The Creator Behind It All.. سبحان الله..
And..
See The Simplicity and Complexity in places i didn't know before.
But since i do believe Nothing is Random الله العليم الحكيم..
Not a Leaf falling from a Tree without He Know..
Who Care about A Leaf except The Creator of it ?.
Except Botanic Researchers or something in context..
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
In other words there is not only no chronological order in the Qur'an but not even the various topics are arranged in any kind of logical order. So all you do is open a page and receive the message without knowing what went before or what comes after. No wonder Muslims are confused about their holy book.
That isn't right..
Its an Divine Order not in a Methodogy we know.
But it's preserved in Books and there are Scholars who capable explaining that.
One Teacher Ostaz Nouman ali khan is very good in explaining just this Topic.
Its us Muslims who are often ignorent of the classical Arabic language.
Back in History Most Muslims from all over the world spoke Arabic.
Due to Colonialism and... That changed.
The Map of Muslim World changed as we know Saudi Arabia is established by Britain.
The best Teacher Ostaz in well spoken English and in love of the Arabic language and Quran is Nouman ali khan..
Sure there is others..
Fex Sheikh Omar Soleiman..
And sheikh Yasir Qadhi come to mind who are Scholarship themselves.
Also Sheikh Dr Asim Yusuf classical Scholar..
Dr medical.
And Psycholog practice in Manchester..
Facinating history and Deeply knowledgable..
This became long.
Sorry about that but I totally understand by Reading often poor translations
But I heard new very good translations of Quran to be found in Amazon.
Been recommended one translation by a Women but forgot her name..
🌞
And the Methodogy of Quran is Logic but Unique..
Its a History here
The glorious Quran is just like its Creator. Both are timeless with no beginning and no end. You can start the Quran from the beginning, the end or the middle and still completely grasp it’s essential message. Various characters in the stories are mostly unnamed, thereby making its message applicable to all times and all realms.
Moreover the Quran comes in built with a miraculous numerological arrangement which becomes apparent only after a very careful study. Please Google it and see.
@@khawaja1951 yes.. And surah is connected with other Surat. Also words Ayah..
Divine inspiration.. الحمد لله
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
The Quran is like a piece of classical music. It starts a theme then drops it, then another theme then drops it and so on. Then it comes back to the themes 'composed', sometimes in chronological order, sometimes not.
Ps: I paraphrased Patricia Crone 's statement in a documentary under the name : 'Jesus et L'islam'
God bless you both! I learn a lot from your videos
Can you help me because i don't understand, why is the quran not in a chronical order, since you understood him??
@@theman8070 can you introduce yourself?
@AB Nr why do you have the first verse sent to your prophet in the middle of the 1924 Hafs quran???😂😂😂😂
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
@@skidachilles3749 no wonder why you have a million sects who are ready to kill each other anytime 😉😀
Why books before Quran were coherent , what God meant by sending in-coherent book with scattered context.
It is not scattered
Its actually chronological
Not historicaly but as a book of guidance
Thanks for sharing this insight!
Well explained which gave me unbelievable and unacceptable explanation whenI heard this video or the one like for the first time on this channel
The Quran isn't Jumbled in Arabic nor English. In Arabic it is perfect a living miracle. That's why the Arabs entered into Islam. The wording,grammar,meaning etc is amazing. I dont understand how someone can describe it as Jumbled. Their understanding has to be jumbled.
Does the Quran follow a relative chronological order? Yes or No?
You have two academic Islamic scholars saying that the Quran is jumbled.
@@drewmaurice5032 first of all they aren't considered scholars.
Jumbled means disorganized. The Quran is FAR from it Look and read the last part (juz) of the Quran its perfectly organized. The Quran might not be arranged in the order it was revealed but the Prophet's companions knew how it was to be arranged.Why? Because the Prophet taught them.
@@sabirabdul-lateef5352 Iman Shabir Ally has a PhD thesis on Quran exegesis. That's in addition to him being the incumbent President of the Toronto Islamic and Dawah Centre, and the author of over a dozen books on Islam and Judaism and Christianity. The man is a scholar.
I notice the trend of you traditional Muslims who will throw Muslim scholars like Shabir Ally and Yasir Qadi under the bus whenever they expose a flaw in your deified Quran.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
They were forced to it. Why do u think u have apostate laws.
I think that the Quran is not linear like literature where you go chapter after chapter in chronological order, and neither is it like poetry.
It is multidimensional and passages are connected.
I can think of suduko where only the right numbers in the right place can solve it, even though, it has numbers 1 to 9 repeated in it.
It is brilliant, beautiful, and makes you think.
Another beautiful statement.
There is great wisdom in this format
READ QURAN EVERYDAY AND NEVER IGNORE YOUR FIVE DAILY PRAYERS
Lame. Because you can't defend on why it's not, you beat around the bushes just so that the original question is buried...
The question I wish she would have asked is why wasn't the Quran written down in the order in which it was revealed? To me this is the bigger question.
I too agree with you, brother.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Why follow people bro? Follow Allah's original revelation order... Just google Quran surah in original order and read it accordingly.
Brilliant brotha. Assalaamu Alaikum 🤲🏼
It was not compiled during the life of Prophet. It was put in the form of book later by those who had no idea.
You are clearly ignorant!!
@@sabirabdul-lateef5352, when was it compiled?
@@pedroamaralcouto pedro do you read /speak Arabic? If not ,you're not qualified to even enter this conversation . This isn't the Bible where we come to conclusions based on translations. We have tons of texts in Arabic that could refute your claim.
@@sabirabdul-lateef5352, I asked you when the Quran was compiled. If you think that asking it requires knowing Arabic, then you're not qualified to write about the subject.
I have a copy of the Quran in Arabic and Portuguese. If you really believe you need me at least to read Arabic, you may answer in Arabic and I'll reply in Arabic. Of course, if I do it, you must apologize me for being rude and trying to avoid answering my question. If you refuse anyway to answer the question, it's reasonable to conclude you don't know the answer to my question.
@@pedroamaralcouto
His idea was to actually avoid answering the question. That's why he was being rude. What does knowing Arabic have to do with giving an answer. One can explain what is in Arabic into various languages.
جزاك الله خيرا
Please give some background contextual information first. What kind of order the Quran does currently have? Who compiled it and when? How the Surahs are named? Does any Surah has verses from both Mecca and Madina times? Did the Muslims who memorised the Quran, did it in chronological order? If so, then why and when that was changed?
Yes, exactly. I was expecting him to give some information in relation to that as well evidence as to who ordered the arrangement the way it is.
It is ordered the way the Angel Gabriel revised with the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in his last year.
@@Alladin2001 could you please cite your sources with more details?
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
I think we can't compare Quran with our daily life books, which are at the end contains 1 or max 4-5 specific ideologies to carry on, and even targeting some specific humans categories.
While the Quran it's a total different and a unique approach within a single compiled book targeting the whole humanity, covering all aspects of the life, and showcasing the existence and all the creations with no ends at both sides! We must realize that Quran is not a book, it's God talking to us, in a form of book. So when reading it, we need to forget about comparing it to other books.
It's fascinating to delve into the intricate aspects of the Quran's arrangement. The ordering of verses and chapters in the Quran isn't explicitly explained within the text itself, leading Muslim scholars to engage in deep contemplation and propose various theories to shed light on its seemingly "jumbled" nature. It's truly remarkable to discover that many esteemed scholars agree on the absence of a linear coherence in the Quran, prompting a quest for understanding.
Different theories have emerged to explain this unique structure. Some scholars suggest that the Quran's arrangement was intentional, designed to serve a specific purpose. They draw parallels between its structure and a collection of quotations, akin to gathering speeches from a revered figure and compiling them into a coherent book. While each speech remains internally cohesive, there may be limited coherence between them as a whole.
It is important to note that this topic remains an ongoing debate within Islamic theology, showcasing the vibrant and diverse intellectual tradition within the Muslim community. In the midst of this discourse, one scholar from India named Hameed uddin Farahi made significant strides in unraveling the internal coherence within the Quranic text. Farahi's profound understanding of the authentic ancient Arabic language spoken by the Quraysh tribe during the 7th century allowed him to appreciate and uncover hidden connections within the Quran. His groundbreaking work has had a profound impact, inspiring his students Amin Islahi and Javed Ghamidi to further develop interpretations of Islam based on Farahi's breakthrough.
The Quran should be ordered in the order it was revealed to the prophet. Not the way man arranged it.
You are a clever guy 👦👏😀
But the way the Quran is ordered in right now, Is the way God intended it to be. If it weren’t the case. It wouldn’t have been the way it is now.
@@kravislagando
Well said
@AB Nr
Well said bro
@@kravislagando not really . Maybe the people who compiled it intended it to be this way. It's not impossible. Humans have done amazing things in the past .not everything can be explained like how technology was created or the pyramids being built
Reading the quran for the first time and the first thing I thought is how refreshing to see it get straight to the point versus the Bible saying like...here's where it started and then here's how it ended up. It's very interesting and I could see myself skipping to any page and taking something from any story or segment.
It is not just that the Quran lacks chronological order, but it gives no clue to the chronology of the events it talks about. Without referring to the Bible, would a reader of the Quran know who came first out of Jesus, Abraham, Moses or Joseph? There are so many characters who suddenly pop up with no introduction - as if it is assumed the reader is familiar with the Bible narrative.
Also, there is very little that can be determined from context. Context is very important when interpreting the Bible, and if a is not clear, you look at the surrounding passage - and perhaps even the previous page or the next page. With the Quran, this will generally be on a different topic altogether, so does not help.
A book which is from God should explain itself, and not need men to tell you what is means to say.
The Quran is a compilation of revelations that came to the prophet Mohamed. It was not a book until years after his death.
The quran was not there to teach people the abrahamic religion familiy tree, I don't know if you can read the book in arabic, But if you can, You would see that it is much closer to poesy than normal literature.
@@ka7al958 My point is not about a family tree. It is that God has been bringing about a plan of salvation since the beginning of time. The Bible shows this plan unfolding. The Quran is like a map which has been cut into pieces and reassembled in the dark.
The Quran is not about a historical account; rather it is a book of revelations that spoke to unfolding events and provided guidance. For example, originally, there was not an ought ban on the consumption of alcohol, but after some believers went to the Mosque drunk, a revelation came down banning the consumption of alcohol. Another example is, in war, some of the slain Muslims had their faces bashed in by the enemy; then a revelation came down, banning Muslims from carrying out such practices on their slain enemies.
As the Muslim community grew, there arose questions on law, marriages, diet, hygiene and everyday living; revelations came down and gave guidance on ALL aspects of life. The Quran is a book of guidance on how to relate to God, humans, nature and the environment. In other words, it is a book of guidance on a God-centred complete way of life.
If you thought the Quran was jumbled, listen to this guy!
@salman yusuf Judging by what I just listened to, then this would appear to be the right pace for muppets.
@AB Nr Why?
@AB Nr Well his first fatal flaw is that he assumes it's written by god and that it's perfect. If that's your starting point then you will try to find anything to fit your existing belief. He fails entirely to demonstrate his opinion objectively.
@AB Nr Who thinks the universe popped out of nowhere magically? As far as I can tell you think god popped out of nowhere magically.
@AB Nr You're right, it's very difficult to have a rational discussion with someone who believes in god. No, obviously I don't believe in god, I also don't believe in zeus, aphrodite, shiva, thor, goblins or fairies. There is no evidence anywhere in the world, nor has there ever been for the existence of god. There is no reason to believe in god... except one: wishful thinking.
Dont forget the numerical patterns of the Quran confirm that the compilation and order of the Quran was not only guided but intended by Allah. Dr Shabir has made many videos on this
The Number 19 miracle has been debunked. For it to work, it has to delete the last two verses in chapter 9. The man who invented this alleged pattern was known as a innovator.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 you ignorant fool. The individual you speak about is Rashad khalifa who took the work too far, despite this the number 19 patterns still are present. Not even only this rgere are many mathematical patterns not just 19
@@Hamza000h Parlor games. You can do that with just about any book. You just select what works and reject what doesn't.
Did you know that Shabir Ally has abandoned this argument? Even he is too ashamed to use it any more. Yet Muslims hold on to bad ideas because they are desperate to validate their false prophet.
@@Hamza000h He was killed by jihaaaaaaaaadis (avoiding TH-cam censors) for being an innovator.
Looool
Assalamualaikum .Can you make a video explaining dreams and nightmares ?
@THUNDERBOLT Sorry but you seem to have a lot of strange assumptions in your argument. Firstly, what makes you think your identity dies in your sleep? I've often had dreams where I have the same moral values as I do while I'm awake and I even make decisions that I would make when I'm awake. So one's identity isn't lost while asleep. Secondly, saying that everything you see in dreams is solely you isn't true from an Islamic perspective. We say there are 3 influences on our dreams: 1) our own experiences (as you mentioned), 2) Almighty God's guidance, and lastly 3) the Devil's whispers or negative influence. We always have a religious identity - while awake, while asleep and even after death.
Excellent explanation
Mashaallah, I am amazed by Dr. Shabbir Ally's insightful manner of speech!
Why is the Quran so jumbled? Because God didn't put it together. Why is it so repetitive? Because God didn't put it together. Why does it lack basic detail. Because God didn't put it together.
Another question I have. "If the koran is out of chronological order who was the person that decided to lay it out as it is found today? Surely this is changing what originally came down and that is altering the koran and therefore corrupting it. Allah said no man can change the word of Allah did he not?
The title seems inappropriate, and send wrong signals ,specially to those who donot understand Islam. Alternately,titles such as,"why is there no sequence in Quran" or Why is Quran different from other books etc could have been selected.Jumbling or mumbling doesn't go with revealed books.
I was doing some research.
I find it interesting that Jesus died about 600 years before the quran was written by Mohammed. Mohammed said that the quran was dictated to him by the angel Jibril (Gabriel), who was sitting in a chair (Possibly a throne) in space between heaven and Earth. Who is the ruler of the 1st layer of heaven (space) and Earth? Satan is.
Joseph Smith said that an "angel of light" appeared to him and gave him the book of Mormon written on gold tablets (that no one else has ever seen).
What does the bible say about Satan? It says that he comes as an "angel of light" to deceive many.
The Bible is the only book that claims to be the direct inspiration of God. It also claims that God Himself dictated to Moses, not angels.
Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, wrote the first Watchtower Bible in 1884. (Didn't even claim it came from God or an angel. (Just his translation).
So, the majority of the Bible was dictated by God and written prior to the quran and the catholic bible and the book of Mormon and the Jehovah's Witness bible.
So, which one do you think we should put our faith in?
This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion
Perhaps the simplest answer to this question is to say that the Quran did not have any chronological order. Rather - it was COLLECTED at a short period of time from already pre-existing religious mythologies. To better understand the development of the Quran would be to look into the people who have edited it, put it together, and look into who those people were and what was their purpose. What was the social, political and cultural environment of the editors of the Quran? After all - it did not arrange itself into what it is … SOMEONE or some group of people arranged it. So when we get to know these people - we will learn more about the Quran. It is also a good practice to investigate where the Quranic stories are taken from, and how they are altered from the originals
Have you read Quran? Or are you one of those who just like to comment? foolishly?
Quran is such messed up book that can't possibly come from God but human, you can see question like " Have you heard the story of Moses ?" Yet the story was already told in the earlier chapters
An unintelligent person criticising the Qur'an?
The Book is here rendered almost literally and every effort has been made to choose befitting language. But the result is not the Glorious Koran, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy. It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Koran - and peradventure something of the charm - in English.
Briefly, the rhetoric and rhythm of the Arabic of the Koran are so characteristic, so powerful, so highly emotive, that any version whatsoever is bound in the nature of things to be but a poor copy of the glittering splendour of the original. Never was it more true than in this instance that traduttore traditore. My chief reason for offering this new version of a book which has been 'translated' many times already is that in no previous rendering has a serious attempt been made to imitate, however imperfectly, those rhetorical and rhythmical patterns which are the glory and the sublimity of the Koran.
The sudden fluctuations of theme and mood will then no longer present such difficulties as have bewildered critics ambitious to measure the ocean of prophetic eloquence with the thimble of pedestrian analysis.
Arthur Arberry
I love Quran ❤️
I love all four holy books of Allah swt
zuyyina lilnnāsi hubbu l-shahawāti mina l-nisai wal-banīna wal-qanāṭīri l muqanțarati mina l-dhahabi wal-fidati wal-khayli l-musawamati wal-an'āmi wal harthi dhalika mata'u l-ḥayati l-dun'yā wal lahu 'indahu hus'nu l-maābi
Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire - of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best ** return**.
This ayat is in surah 3 number 14
The word (maabi) it is translateted
(Place of return) and we know that π radian is 180°.
bal badā lahum mā kānū yukh'fūna min qablu walaw ** ruddū la'ādū** limā nuhū 'anhu wa-innahum lakādhibūna
The truth they used to hide will become all too clear to them.
But if they were sent back,
they would return to what they had been forbidden.
For they are indeed liars.
This ayat is in surah 6 verse 28
Do you see the pattern know.
The words (ruddu laadu) have the meaning a full return to the same point so 2π= 6.28 radian = 360 °.
All thanks are to Allah.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
I use Quran as a filter, to me its a filter through which 'false' beliefs get removed from your life and you can get ready to open up more for future with a pure mind.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE AYAT IN QURAN IN WHICH GOD IS SPEAKING HIMSELF, RATHER IT IS A THIRD PERSON WHO IS TALKING TO MANKIND ON BEHALF OF GOD.
THIS INDICATES QURAN IS NOT FROM GOD BUT SOME ONE ELSE.
How about scientific miracle of the Qur'an?, there is a lot of miracle in the Qur'an
@finalreturn
There is not a single miracle in Quran. What miracle is in Quran. If any, give the reference and proof, please.
@@sciencefollower He has made you of a single soul then He
made its mate from that and sent down for
you eight pairs of cattle. He makes you in the
wombs of your mothers, first in one pattern
then in another, in three fold darkness. This is
Allah your Lord, His is the kingdom. None is
to be worshipped, besides Him, then where
are you turning away? (az-Zumar: 6).
And certainly did We create man from an
extract of clay (12). Then We placed him as a
sperm-drop in a firm lodging (13). Then We
made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and
We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and
We made [from] the lump, bones, and We
covered the bones with flesh; then We
developed him into another creation. So
blessed is Allah , the best of creators (14).
Then indeed, after that you are to die (15) (QS.
al-Mukminun: 12-15).
Can a person who can't even read or write in the desert of Arabia 1400 years ago know this fact?, there many scientists who revert to islam after read the Qur'an and found out about islam, you can also read a book titled
quran bible and science by dr morris who revert to islam
@@sciencefollower wait sorry, I don't why my reply was disappear, it's happen to me many time,
If you are arabic speaking you would love and understand why the Quran is the perfect book that has no equal. You can randomly open the Quran on any page and learn a lesson and get a message. You don't need to open it from the beginning or a certain page unless you are looking for specific topic.
Because The Quran is presented in such a way, I never get bored reading it years after years after years. Sometimes if I am too busy, I just randomly flip a page to read a single verse and still find something useful to ponder about whether it s about The Stars and Universe, The Creation of Mankind, Angels and Satan, Baby In The Womb, Women's Rights, Orbital Systems etc. but in the end all these topics will tie back to The Creator. Indeed it is a Book of Guidance. Like no matter where you look at, go or do in your life .. you exist because of your Creator and you are to serve your Creator.
Why do you think you need to serve your creator? Why do you think the muslim way is the right way?
@@darkwing5458
Shalom
you said:Why do you think you need to serve the creator?
My reply: Because we are the Creations. Creations worship Creator.. Because the creator created the Creations. So the creator wants his Creations to obey him because he created them. So why not serve the creator?
Name me 1 company that hires ANY employees and those employees dont obey the company and the company still pays them.
Can you name such company?
You said:Why do you think the Muslim way is the right way?
My reply: We have a living proof. Living evidence. Living Miracle.
I can just bring you 1 promise.. A living promise.
The Quran promised to preserve the body of pharon and keep it a sign for the people.. The promise is living till Now.. The body of pharon is there in Egypt displayed for the people.
Imagine from the time of Moses till now, that body is still preserved.. Can you bring me a greater promise than this?
If this person's promise is still fulfilled do you really think he not capable of fulfilling the other promises?
Fi-Amaniellah
@@darkwing5458 Supposedly I am all alone stranded on an Island ever since I am a baby and raised by a pack of wolves or any other animal and never come across any written document from any other human civilizations .. I am million percent will still believe that I have been created by The Ultimate Supreme Being. If I have been created then there must be an ultimate reason why I came into existence and not just to exist. Just to exist? Is that enough? What is that ultimate reason? What is that reason? There must be a reason. There is a reason for everything. Nothing happens by chance. Even the flap of a butterfly wings contribute to the flow of wind no matter how small the effect is. If no one ever told me the reason, instinctively I know that I want to submit and serve to the will of The Supreme Being that has created me. That reason alone enough to justify my existence. And, if ever get the chance to leave the island then I will seek human, books, information and knowledge without any prejudice that best show me how to serve or submit to The Creator . And, the Muslim way fit perfectly in my ultimate Quest.
@@darkwing5458 you said:And who told you a creation is supposed to worship the creator, you assumed this
My reply: then what should we do? You tell me.. The preservation of pharon isnt a enough sign? I can bring you prophesies about the signs of the day of judgement. If you want.
Or you can look it up in the websites since the chances of you replying is less
And another person explained to you with the example of the Island etc. Perfect explanation indeed. You should reply because eventually you will stand in front of your lord and you will be told "I gave you a whole life to search after me but you were busy in all that which was temporary".. This world is a test for the next life. Follow the the creator, paradise is yours.. (you dont just expect to just live to the fullest and get paradise for free in the next the life). Thats not how it works. You earn your way to paradise by serving the creator.
You probably will smirk while reading this but at least Get a Quran and Read the Quran and confirm my words... We have someone who wanted to band Islam and then after researching he ended up saying the Shahadah.. You can look it up the video is call "Why I left the far right by Joram Van Klavaren".in that video there is how he was before Islam and how he turned after Islam..
You deleted your comment but a part of it still visible at my notification.. So i replied to the part that was still visible.
There is nothing wrong in replying, mate.
@@MasterOf4Dragons give me evidence you were created by an "ultimate being". Now don't quote things from any holy book like a weirdo.
Very very complex question ....dr Shabbir in his style tried his best to answer even after dr Safiya tried to pin him down ... one answer is Allah knows best...as per ourselves more research needed by our esteemed scholars who r guiding the ummah in v difficult times
It is a perfect form that keeps the mind engaged.
A book which runs like a story stables quickly.
One never ties of the quran.
It is one of the miracles of the quran.
The critics are often idiots with little literary or logical skills.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
It is a book of دعوه as قال الذين كفرو لو لا نزل عليه القرآن جملة واحده كذلك لنثبت به فوءادك ورتلنه ترتيلا
There is only one complete story in the Koran everything else is a mess I don't think it's a book from God sorry muslims
@AB Nr My friend my book is inspired word of God and your book confirms it. The inspiration preservation and authority of the Bible is confirmed by koran so if my book is right and it contradicts your book koran that mean that your book koran is wrong no matter how you look at it. So come to Jesus my friend he is the Savior who became human to save your sinful soul. Thank you
@@skviraboyg7969 I can prove to you that the Qur'an is a real miracle, you can even personaly prove it, ready to embrace the truth?
The answear to the question, is in the question. It’s jumbled becuase it’s all jumble. Islam is basically just good deed sales
In verse 2:7 of Quran, Allah said that Allah has punished the Non-Muslim by seizing their heart. He also made them (non-Muslims) deaf and Blind.
In verse 5:14 of Quran Allah said that, Allah caused among them (Non-Muslims) animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection.
In verse 5:64 of Quran Allah said that, We (Allahs) have cast among them (Jews) animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection.
In verse 5:91 of Quran Allah said that Satan's plan is to excite enmity and hatred between you.
It is clear from the above verses that the action of Md. Allah and Satan is same because both of them produce animosity and hatred among the people.
Therefore, Quran teaches us Md. Allah is a Satan himself.
Im a 7th Day Adventist Christian. Heres a few line of reasonings to consider using in order to win over to the truth in Christ Jesus.
1. The character/prophets of the bible and the prophets in islam that are the same such as adam,eve, enoch,noah, moses, king david and so on. Because islam does not give us the full story of their life or tell us how they came to be ask our muslim friend can the lineage in the bible be trusted.
2. Secondly the common prophets/characters in islam often have a partial life story or none at all such as enoch. Then ask can the bible be trusted to let us know who enoch is or let us know who the other prophet is who name is only found else where beside the quran or the holy bible.
The line of reasoning is to build confidence in the validity of the bible and not to dispute.
3. Because the life of moses is incomplete in the quran and does not explain about the tabernacle in the wilderness, the feast days, pass over or day of atonement. Ask if the bible can be trusted to understand what those things were about and what they stood for.
If the bible is to be trusted to understand the prophets of the quran or to know who there parents are or to know their full life story. Does the validity of the bible have weight. This is just a few small examples using a line of reasoning to bring a believer in the quran to the attention of the accuracy and validity of the bible. The purpose and goal is to show the truth in love and not in vain disputing.
If you say the koran is arranged by topic then can you list the surahs by topic for us please? I would be very interested to see that.
Sorry, I really didn't get the actually reason why it's not in Chronological order. Was the order given by Allah or Muhammad, if so where is that evidence? Thanks!
When and where did Allah ordered to
arrange Quran not according it's chronological order.
This is nonsense. Changing Allah's book's chronological order without the order of Allah.
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Surah 29 and Surah 55
Interesting but I think scholars should arrange the Quran in chronological order according the subjects.
The Holy Quran was revealed according to Allah plan. Its verses are in perfect order and harmony. It has its own style and rhythm. It is authored by Allah. The quran never follows the style of human writing, that is what makes the Holy Quran unique . It challenges those who say it is authored by Muhammad
Why then do you have two Islamic scholars saying that the Quran is jumbled?
Where is the evidence that it is ordered according to Allah's plan?
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Verses missing (as per sahih hadiths), Verses jumbled (so as to not have even 2 complete stories in order), grammatical inconsistencies, scientific errors, too much hatred for other religions, multiple Arabic korans (implying human intervention), the Koran is just an Arabic poetry book. There were many "soothesayers" at Muhammad s time. No doubt the earliest records state he wanted to kill all poets.
It actually confirms the Qur'an is written by Mohammed who was just serving his companions whatever comes to mind.
Jazakumullahu khairan
If surahs are not arranged in chronological order, today's Quran is different from what was revealed to Muhammad. Allah knows best, but someone (who compiled the Quran) knows even better.
Probably the Quran is a collection of distinct texts and there never was an original chronological order.
Thank you so much great teacher. God bless you
To hide the fact that Chapter 9 was the last Surah in chronological order and is an eternal command to wage war.
Shabir !!! We really want you to debate with Sam Shamoun !!!
Shamoun is crazy and rude.
Shamoun doesn't know how to debate and he has no knowledge. He flew from the debate with sheikh uthman ibn farooq when they were 3 men
@@_righteous_sinner You still think that ? They decided Anthony debates, and he took too long in the end. David was moderating.
@@_righteous_sinner He debated Anjem Choukdri and Karim A'hanafi and Shabir Ally before and Zakir Naik. Karim A'lhanafi had many many followers and he lost half of them he was the top France daaee.
Hassamo needs guidance not debates. His personal life is falling apart. You don't go to a rude man who sits at home supporting himself through donations based on false narratives he gives about Islam. P.S. Hassamo already debated and got schooled by Shabir on how to debate.
Good answer. Hope the next question is not: Why God didn't reveal the Qur'an with an index to navigate through it ! ? May Allah SWT bless Dr. Shabbir Ally and his team, ameen !
The answer is not satisfactory. Who gave the order for its arrangement?
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Because Qur’an is coded in beautiful way, that no man can imitate.. This book not created by human.
And man can not understand
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In any order Quran's message remains the same.
Qur'an is fake as shabir ally
@AB Nr if it isn't fake, it's a evil book. Because you have a man how went into a cave talks to god know what and runs home tells his wife she takes him to waraqa, the man says I've seen the devil and is wife and waraqa persuade the man it wasn't the devil it was Gabriel, here is a story.
The end of Qathem, the beginning of Muhammad.
There was a woman named Amna bint Wahab she married Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalibtheu, they had a son called Qathem but there's a twist in this marriage.
Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib died and Qathem was born 4 years after his father's death.
Aminah was accused of adultery and the family never excepted Qathem.
The family say there was a man called waraqa he was having affair with Aminah, (they was supposed to get married but it never happened).everywhere Qathem went waraqa was with Qathem.
One day Qathem went missing everyone thought Qathem had been kidnapped! they was looking for him everywhere, they found him he was playing with waraqa...when waraqa died, Muhammad was so sad he tried to commit suicide several times!
They say waraqa got his sister to sleep with Abdullah so he wouldn't have time to sleep with Aminah.
Sadly Qathem mother died and he was shifted around by his family
At 25 he met and married khadija.
One day Qathem went to the caves a dark figure approaches Qathem, Qathem looks up and the dark figure look into his eyes and squeezes Qathem so hard he felt a stabbing pain...the dark figure says READ,
I CAN NOT READ Qathem says with fear in is voice, the figure squeezes for the second time and says READ, Qathem says I CAN NOT READ with fear in is voice and face twisted with pain, the the dark figure came closer to Qathem and for the third time squeezes harder and says READ, for the third time Qathem falls back the pain shot through his body like fire, he looks at the dark figure with fear in is eyes, voice quivering, body shaking, eyes full of tears says I CAN NOT READ...some how Qathem gets free of the entirety, and scrambles towards the entrance of the cave shaking, runs keeps running until he gets home and tells his wife khadija that he's seen the devil up in the cave, Qathem was hiding under a blanket shaking with fear, to calm him down khadija put him on her lap and took her clothes off as he was panicking, asks what as happened?
Qathem couldn't stop crying and shaking shouting IT WAS THE DEVIL, i have seen the devil in the the cave! So khadija took Qathem to a relative called waraqa, Qathem explained what happened, waraqa said it was not the devil it was angel gabriel...it was he who said it was gabriel not the devil...khadija and waraqa persuaded Qathem that its was gabriel and he is a prophet.
Was Qathem right? was it the devil? After all satan did put words in Muhammeds mouth!
Muhammad recited Surat-an-Najm from satan,
chapter 53 of the qur'an.
Did Muhammad strike a deal with satan? To make people worship Muhammad like a god...by calling him the praised one.
I thought only God can forgive sins and be the praised one...why do muslims after glorify muhammad every morning and evening? Is that not worship?
Is Muhammad the true God of the qur'an?
It fulls of REMINDERS..that's why it seems 'scattered'. And Quran is not history book, so it's not necessarily has to be chronological. Also tho the arrangement seems odd, yet it's so connected from one chapter to the next, and many other systematic composition from continuity to mathematical wonders for instance. Look it up..
The quran is jumbled. What horrific thing to say. Ya allah help us die in islam and be like this man. Allah guide him.
One of our best wishes was if the Quran was ordered in the same order it was revealed! However I fail to understand why scholars changed the order to the present one. This is much more difficult to study!
Logical explanation.
I use Quran as a filter, to me its a filter through which 'false' beliefs get removed from your life and you can get ready to open up more for future with a pure mind.
The Quran is not only completely random and unpleasant to read, but also insufficient/useless without secondary sources like the Hadith, so its randomness is not even the biggest problem.
I suppose pornographic biblical verses and pointless stories which are nothing but utter rubbish, and clear cut contradictions in the bible would perhaps suffice for your, "dissatisfaction". And the Quran does not require ahadith to be understood, please educate yourself on this topic.
@THUNDERBOLT So we dont need to read Quoran,Thafsirs are suffitions.Scholars wiser then Allah himself
@@SR-hu7qr Non arab muslim have no way to understand our holy book.
@THUNDERBOLT huh no? You must be some christian troll to say such things. I said "Non arab muslim have no way to understand our holy book." because these atheist only search for contradiction and so on and by translating our holy book it changes the message, but islam is universal tho
@@RM-RF-z3h Christians don't consider the issues, which you're describing, because we have solid reasons for everything in the Bible, meanwhile everything that we know about the history of Islam or information about such (crucial) personality as Muhammad, comes strictly from the Hadith/Sirah, and the whole practical side of Islam is 99% dependent on the Hadith, so the Hadith and the later Tafsirs were made because the Muslims couldn't agree on the Quran, and that's a fact.
There is definite pattern, arrangement and organisation of surahs in the Quran. Most of our scholars are not aware of it and miss out on a lot of hikmah. Aly seems confused himself. He should listen to Javed A Ghamidi to know more.
I agree. He wins debates but I think cannot explain this concept which a common Muslim will understand. It’s about how Quran is organised and why.
Does a person who declares that he/she is a Salafee continue to belong to the four Madhabs (Hanafi or Shafee or Hambalee or Malakee) or should the person declare that he/she is no longer adhering to any of the four Madhabs?
First, there is no need to declare yourself to be salafees unless you are a scholar. Second, adhere yourself to four madhabs is an ideal things to do as a muslim, no matter if you are salafees or not. Those four imams are salafees them self.
May Allah guide you.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
Brother can I upload your videos in my channel, straight path ?
thats stealing lol
Itsnt stealing when u take permission
Hahahahahaha. Poor arrangement of Quran shames Allah ability. It seem like mad talking
A helpful explanation with a useful reference work by Richard Elliott Friedman to follow-up. I also found that Bill Warner's An Abridged Koran - The Reconstructed Historical Koran (CSPI 2006) is also useful as it seem to map out in a chronological manner or provide a helpful key to the Koran.
Surah 5 : 3 ("Today I have perfected your faith for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way.") was the first Surah to be revealed chronologically. This means that allah completed and perfected the faith by the third verse of the first Surah. Allah could have then just rested on his laurels but he had to continue with another 113 Surahs to confuse the muslims completely and he jumbled them up totally so in the future a busy muslim could eat an apple and get a better understanding of the koran by selecting a Surah to read randomly. Is this what you are so laboured trying to explain to us Dr Ally?
verses connect from different chapters as well for example [4:144] O you who believe! Do not befriend disbelievers rather than believers. Do you want to give God a clear case against you?
Is explained in 60 verse 8 and 9 8. As for those who have not fought against you for your religion, nor expelled you from your homes, God does not prohibit you from dealing with them kindly and equitably. God loves the equitable.
9. But God prohibits you from befriending those who fought against you over your religion, and expelled you from your homes, and aided in your expulsion. Whoever takes them for friends-these are the wrongdoers.
To cover the fact that surah 9 is a war declaration for eternity.
He is negating the very ayat that states “that if all the seas were ink and all the trees pens you still wouldn’t be able to encompass the meaning and vastness of the Quran”.It’s the complete manual for life.Where does this guy get the idea that Quran has its limitations ,I ask you
God says in the Quran that it is written down by faithful scribes, so the Quran was compiled at the time of the Prophet Muhammad so the Quran was in chronological order unless we find evidence that it isn’t, we have manuscripts that go back to the time of the Prophet and the 1st century that match the Quran we have today. I think the Quran is in chronological order but Even if its not the Quran is there, just because its not in chronological order doesn’t change the fact that it is preserved.
@THUNDERBOLT
1) Quran 33:40, this ayat gives us message that Mohammed(ﷺ) was the last prophet.
(If you wanted knowledge then the above ayat can be starting point for you to research.
If you want to debate then,
I know in modern times few people are trying interpret many parts of Quran differently. It's ok, It's Allah's religion, it's up to Allah to protect his message from corruption and guide people to truth , we are mere his servents, sincere people will be guided by to truth.)
2) nowhere Quran says to kiss black stone.
Also I respectfully disagree with Dr Shabbir that Quran has its limitations. The jumbled format adds layers upon layers. It forces reader to think out of box to limitless zone.
Thank you very much.
Yes, the Quran must not have any limitations, the limitations are in our minds.
Qur'an doesnt work like that, it is a God Words for Allah sake! Allah will define the Qur'an to you when you engage it directly and correctly. Nobody can represented Qur'an by their own belief and personal view, categorize the Qur'an based on their personal knowledge, Qur'an is a miracle that works in the way Allah intended to each person in this world. You ask for Guidance to Allah, He will provide you what you want, don't let other people define your connection with Allah. They who tried to be an ambassador of Allah to define the Qur'an are trully clueless about how the Qur'an works.
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Jazakallahu Khairan.
As Salam u Alaikum Dr Shabbir,
Can you please share us with your thoughts on new Knowledge put forward by Dr. Hany Atchan (Marvelous Quran Channel). We would appreciate if you could put some lights with analytic views on Dr. Han"s discovery. His talks are throwing challenges on many of the traditional concepts. He is creating a new history and putting up many great, attractive and reasonably acceptable yet challenging thoughts. We are looking forward for views of all 'Raasikhuna Fil Ilm' to help us understand, identify and follow the right track.
We are anxiously waiting for comments from the revered and renowned Islamic scholars of present times like you, Dr Shabbir.
I hope and pray for the channel 'Let Quran Talks' to play the unique role as played always in helping us all to identify the correct path.
Best regards.
Look into "ring composition". You'll be amazed with the Qur'an.
May Quran be the only "music" that gets stuck in my head and not the music of shaytaan. Ameen.
I heard the Quran described like this in comparison to the Bible.
Dr. Ali Ataie says the Bible is a very linear book: beginning, middle and end. You start with Genesis, then you go through the ancient patriarchs, the time of David and Solomon, Judges and the division of of the Kingdom, time of the Babylonians, Assyrian invasion of Babylon, Persian Period. In the New Testament you have a Greek and Roman period, at the end of the New Testament you have Revelations. So a very linear book indeed.
The Quran is a jumbled, achronological mess because man is used to the linearity of human writing. The Quran is CIRCULAR in it's logic. Take for instance the second chapter of the Quran surah al-baqara - I saw a video that says the format is like this:
1. faith and unbelief
2. creation and knowledge
3. laws given to the Israelites
4. test of Abraham
5. the middle of the section in which there is a change in the direction of prayer and it also states that the believers are a middle nation in verse 143, which is the middle verse of this entire chapter.
6. test of Muslims
7. laws given to Muslims
8. creation and knowledge
9. faith and unbelief
This is merely FORMAT of the Quran! This is incredible to me, this isn't even mentioning word occurrences, miracle of numbers, knowledge about past events verified by modern times, and scientific verses. Even weird stuff like this that pertains to, in my opinion, the current state of the US.
Quran 2:11
"When it is said to them, "Do not spread disorder on the earth", they say, "We are but reformers."
Is all this NOT incredible enough for the disbelievers?!?!
John 11:25 : "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die"
As we saw in this video Shabir struggled to explain the reason why a book send from God was unchronological jumping from one topic to another and confusing.
1 Corinthians 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Confusion... Do you know there are 50,000 errors and contradictions in the Bible as claimed by the Church?
As to peace, do you know that Bible is known as the most Vl0LENT scripture?
@THUNDERBOLT Yes, all creations in this universe, including all the messengers and prophets from Adam (AS) to Muhammad (PBUH) obey their Creator, Allah the Almighty. Hope that helps.
@THUNDERBOLT When you are working in a company, you need to obey your leaders above us who carry the instructions from the one right above. Ultimately all of us have the duty to obey the rules set up by the Big Boss, the owner of the company himself. Hope that helps.
@THUNDERBOLT Prophets were sent only to deliver the message from their God, Allah the Almighty. Hope that helps.
@THUNDERBOLT All the prophets were sent to deliver and teach the message of their Lord, Allah SWT to mankind. The message comes ONLY from Allah SWT. Hope that helps.
The book Discovering the quran by Neal Robinson has good theories on how its structured in this strange fashion.
Different Qurans has different number of verses.
Still well preserved book?
Who decided the Quran order of verse in the book form. Without the will of God??
Do Muslims actually quote the Quran or do they just say how beautiful and perfect it is. Everyone that talks about the Quran just gives their opinion instead actually quoting it. It seems very suspicious. If I wanted to know how to love people on earth the Quran should tell me but I don't think it does and if so what does it say?