When i was young, 7 years old, one of my neighbour had a Tagora 2,2 GLS. I'll Always remember this car . Very cosy, class and executive car . Peugeot ( the New owner)had deliberately choked and slow down the marketing and distribution network of this car. The Tagora was in direct concurrence with the Peugeot 604 . Very sad.Thanks for remember me this past ( nostalgia).
Another interesting video. The only Tagora I ever saw in the flesh was actually on display in our local Talbot dealer. To my seventeen year old eyes it was quite impressive. It was just one of those cars that was never going to sell in any meaningful quantities, just like the Fiat Argenta or Peugeot 604. They must be like hen's teeth now. Thanks again, any man who likes cats is one of the good guys.
Talbot cars in the early 1980s, Samba, Sunbeam, Horizon, Avenger, Alpine, Solara and this, the ill fated Tagora, I think I have seen no more than ten Tagoras on the road in my lifetime the last being about 1988. This was related to the Peugeot 604 and believe there are only five left in Britain today,
I had a 1982 2.2 GLS in 1986. I think the interior had a very pleasant, light, airy and modern looking ergonomic interior. The headlamps were also excellent and the rear seats were extremely comfortable. However, the front seats had no lumbar support, the Simca derived engine was rough and rattley. The power steering pump failed, solenoids for the electric windows and the heater fan failed and rust blisters were appearing everywhere and the exhaust rusted through.
That's the small format early brochure, there is also a full size one that covers SX as well. There a many factors that held the Tagora back, the SX range topper being a bit of an oddball didn't help. It was a good drivers car being available with a 5 speed manual only, with plenty of power on tap (for its time anyway).
The Talbot Tagora never really worried sales of other executive cars that had better sales figures and stole the glory. One thing a lot of reviewers criticised the car for was it's mediocre poor ventilation system, the centre vents delivered fan boosted hot air when the outer ones delivered cold only ram air assisted fresh air that varied with the speed of the car, which is unusual, as most executive cars deliver fan boostable warm air to the side vents for demisting purposes and cool independent fresh air (usually) fan-boosted to the central air vents. In some regions of Europe and other parts of the world it also got a useful diesel engine which would have been appropriate in all regions of the world including the UK, on such a large car, and would mean you could go for much longer on a tank of fuel, over the thirsty petrol, and with much less filling up. Love the cat by the way, she's a darling a sweetheart and a lovely sweetie of a cutie.
A very rare car indeed and was quicker than any Granada in 2.6 SX trim. Had it been launched a few years earlier under the Humber marque with wood trim it might have done a lot better
Thank you for making this video. I enjoy your videos and our on-line chats. I found this one particularly interesting. The car industry is a good route to understand the philosophical discipline of aesthetics: what is quality? So what was this car trying to achieve? I don't think it was a serious competitor to Volvo with whom it shared the much coveted PRV6 engine. There was not enough safety features for that. Audi became such a competitor with Procon-ten and 4WD. The PRV6 perhaps was intended to be above Audi's 4 and 5 cylinder engines and the 4 cylinder engines of the Merc 190 and E class but Talbot could not match the German reputation for quality (which I think is overrated). The PRV6 could not compete with BMW who set even a 2 litre as a straight six. Really the PRV6 was a status symbol that wasn't. It was high pitched and sounded like a 4 cylinder. It was only the V6 badge that Renault used that communicated status. So the Tagora was a reasonable competitor to the aging R20/30 but lost when the very aerondynamic R25 came out. Being a saloon was another advantage but then it had internal competitors from PSA. The Peugoet 604 was aging so the Tagora compared well there but it struggled against the P505 which had a big taxi driver following. P505, Ford Granada and Vauxhall Carlton all benefited from estate versions. The 4 cylinder engine with 113 bhp compares favourably with the Granny's 108 bhp (later 116 bhp) 2.3 V6 but the fact that the Granny had a V6 that sounded like one gave it more credibility with some drivers. The Vauxhall Carlton was 4 cylinder only so I think that the Tagora was a credible competitot but I think the Carlton was more stylish. I think that PSA should have differentiated it more from the Solara. It did not stand a chance against the very stylish Citroen CX (in spite of it being 4 cylinder only) and Rover SD1. The PRV6 was a serious competitor to the Rover 2600 engine but the Rover 2300 engine was superior to the 4 clylinder engine. I think the Tagora was a serious competitor to the aging Fiat 132 but not serious against Alfa Romeo or Lancia. The 2.2 litre Tagora was less powerful than Alfa Romeo Guilietta. I am surprised they never produced a diesel. That could have competed against the Ford Granada diesel, the Carlto diesel and maybe the Rover SD Turbo and Alfa Romeo Guilietta diesel. PSA had plenty of deisel engines they could use. My closing throughts: what were PSA thinking of?
I had one late '80's..full of extras that most didnt work..the engine was so clattery like the Alpine and Solara..dreafdul car !...there was nothing good about it !...got rid of it and lost £1000.
When i was young, 7 years old, one of my neighbour had a Tagora 2,2 GLS. I'll Always remember this car . Very cosy, class and executive car . Peugeot ( the New owner)had deliberately choked and slow down the marketing and distribution network of this car. The Tagora was in direct concurrence with the Peugeot 604 . Very sad.Thanks for remember me this past ( nostalgia).
Oh what a lovely cat you've got! I don't think I've ever seen a Talbot Tagora in the flesh.
Another interesting video. The only Tagora I ever saw in the flesh was actually on display in our local Talbot dealer. To my seventeen year old eyes it was quite impressive. It was just one of those cars that was never going to sell in any meaningful quantities, just like the Fiat Argenta or Peugeot 604. They must be like hen's teeth now. Thanks again, any man who likes cats is one of the good guys.
My dad considered Tagoras as a potential used car purchase in the late 1980s.
Talbot cars in the early 1980s, Samba, Sunbeam, Horizon, Avenger, Alpine, Solara and this, the ill fated Tagora, I think I have seen no more than ten Tagoras on the road in my lifetime the last being about 1988. This was related to the Peugeot 604 and believe there are only five left in Britain today,
I had a 1982 2.2 GLS in 1986. I think the interior had a very pleasant, light, airy and modern looking ergonomic interior. The headlamps were also excellent and the rear seats were extremely comfortable. However, the front seats had no lumbar support, the Simca derived engine was rough and rattley. The power steering pump failed, solenoids for the electric windows and the heater fan failed and rust blisters were appearing everywhere and the exhaust rusted through.
Interesting to hear a real owners experience
I have one still today. Of 05-03-1981. A Gls.
That's the small format early brochure, there is also a full size one that covers SX as well.
There a many factors that held the Tagora back, the SX range topper being a bit of an oddball didn't help. It was a good drivers car being available with a 5 speed manual only, with plenty of power on tap (for its time anyway).
Good review, that car had zero redeeming features, I don't think I ever actually saw one IRL
The Talbot Tagora never really worried sales of other executive cars that had better sales figures and stole the glory.
One thing a lot of reviewers criticised the car for was it's mediocre poor ventilation system, the centre vents delivered fan boosted hot air when the outer ones delivered cold only ram air assisted fresh air that varied with the speed of the car, which is unusual, as most executive cars deliver fan boostable warm air to the side vents for demisting purposes and cool independent fresh air (usually) fan-boosted to the central air vents.
In some regions of Europe and other parts of the world it also got a useful diesel engine which would have been appropriate in all regions of the world including the UK, on such a large car, and would mean you could go for much longer on a tank of fuel, over the thirsty petrol, and with much less filling up.
Love the cat by the way, she's a darling a sweetheart and a lovely sweetie of a cutie.
A very rare car indeed and was quicker than any Granada in 2.6 SX trim. Had it been launched a few years earlier under the Humber marque with wood trim it might have done a lot better
Great to see Misty! 😂
MIsty likes the Talbot Tagora!
nice too see this Talbot tagora , this model limited model that time, this car still in the UK road or not
Thank you for making this video. I enjoy your videos and our on-line chats. I found this one particularly interesting. The car industry is a good route to understand the philosophical discipline of aesthetics: what is quality? So what was this car trying to achieve? I don't think it was a serious competitor to Volvo with whom it shared the much coveted PRV6 engine. There was not enough safety features for that. Audi became such a competitor with Procon-ten and 4WD. The PRV6 perhaps was intended to be above Audi's 4 and 5 cylinder engines and the 4 cylinder engines of the Merc 190 and E class but Talbot could not match the German reputation for quality (which I think is overrated). The PRV6 could not compete with BMW who set even a 2 litre as a straight six. Really the PRV6 was a status symbol that wasn't. It was high pitched and sounded like a 4 cylinder. It was only the V6 badge that Renault used that communicated status. So the Tagora was a reasonable competitor to the aging R20/30 but lost when the very aerondynamic R25 came out. Being a saloon was another advantage but then it had internal competitors from PSA. The Peugoet 604 was aging so the Tagora compared well there but it struggled against the P505 which had a big taxi driver following. P505, Ford Granada and Vauxhall Carlton all benefited from estate versions. The 4 cylinder engine with 113 bhp compares favourably with the Granny's 108 bhp (later 116 bhp) 2.3 V6 but the fact that the Granny had a V6 that sounded like one gave it more credibility with some drivers. The Vauxhall Carlton was 4 cylinder only so I think that the Tagora was a credible competitot but I think the Carlton was more stylish. I think that PSA should have differentiated it more from the Solara. It did not stand a chance against the very stylish Citroen CX (in spite of it being 4 cylinder only) and Rover SD1. The PRV6 was a serious competitor to the Rover 2600 engine but the Rover 2300 engine was superior to the 4 clylinder engine. I think the Tagora was a serious competitor to the aging Fiat 132 but not serious against Alfa Romeo or Lancia. The 2.2 litre Tagora was less powerful than Alfa Romeo Guilietta. I am surprised they never produced a diesel. That could have competed against the Ford Granada diesel, the Carlto diesel and maybe the Rover SD Turbo and Alfa Romeo Guilietta diesel. PSA had plenty of deisel engines they could use. My closing throughts: what were PSA thinking of?
Interesting comment and certainly a car that makes you think
It didnt have the Volvo engine..it was a engine out of other shit Chryslers.
I had one late '80's..full of extras that most didnt work..the engine was so clattery like the Alpine and Solara..dreafdul car !...there was nothing good about it !...got rid of it and lost £1000.
Thank you for commenting- never known anyone to have one before