camping for concerts is getting out of hand
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it’s become so impossible to have a good spot to see your fav if you have a life. like don’t ppl have jobs, school, families? how do they camp for a week?
even if you’re free, why would you do something so nasty…
not even a week, so many people cant take a day/ maybe 2 days off work/school to camp. they might be lucky they can go in the first place.
no fr cause ???? i got bills to pay. now more than ever where jobs are becoming more difficult to come by. labor hours are cut in half because there's no business demand how it was pre pandemic
ikrrrr. if you´re looking for an example of how people manage, the girls in argentina who´ve been camping for months to see harry have said they´re all organized so they can go to work/uni or their houses and come back to their spots bc they take turns and stuff like that
Exactly!! I'm in college and have a radio show, I work and I have so many more stuff going on. I am already scared for Harry in June because I wanna see hi good so bad but I cannot camp for a week!!!
As a stagehand I find camping creepy. It’s weird seeing people waiting for a show when I know that the stage has not even been built yet.
this camping thing reminds me of that one victorious episode where they camped outside of that mall because there was a sale the next morning😭
@@instagramme SAME
@@instagramme classic!
I'm assuming you're not in your 40s...because camping for concerts has been a youthful tradition from the 70s
@@m2kaay
I was coming to say this! I think fans were camping at Woodstock (one of the most famous festivals).
yall don’t understand how EXTREME this issue is in latin america. for example, Harry is coming to my country as a soloist for the first time EVER, so people began camping 2 months prior. camping in here has almost become an “industry”, as some people literally have a job camping and then selling spots in the line at extremely abusive prices. it is so bad that more and more people begin to camp because we all want a good spot. Harry’s concert is on Tuesday, there are currently 45 tents for the pit (there are two main zones for the pit, so almost 80 in total)
Are u referring to the Peru concert? I have cousins who went to that concert and just from the pics it’s looked crazy
This! here in Argentina is crazy
Camping was forbidden in Colombia, straight up. People were only "camping" the morning of the concert, and near a gas station, not even at the venue. Camping is ridiculous and should be banned everywhere. Stop the nonsense.
@@claudiasanchez8996 yesss
Wow that is almost unimaginable. What if the event had to be cancelled!? These people waste their time and money, making a job out of it is creative though
The best solution is venues handing out numbered wristbands the morning of, for campers to come back later in the day closer to showtime and line back up. It doesn't eliminate the people camping overnight, the day before, etc. But by letting them return later, they have the option to go home and sleep, shower, eat, hydrate. And by the time they go back to the venue, they're well energized and not likely to pass out. And it also saves the venue having to hire extra security to keep an eye on the line all day and worry about all the litter left behind. The times I've seen it implemented at Harry and Louis shows, everyone's happy
That’s literally so common sensical omg I hope more places implement that policy!
That would actually be amazing. I wish more venues did that! It also solves the problem of people going to the front of the queue and refusing to leave even if they came an hour before doors. If the venue already has a numbering system, it helps everyone.
So, people taking 8 hours to travel to a concert don't deserve good spots I guess it what you are saying. Cause living in a capital, I could go there 6 am, snatch my number, go to work cause I live close to the hall and come back 10 minutes before the opening. Not everyone can do this.
@@artmaks9363 not quite. note how they said " It doesn't eliminate the people camping overnight, the day before, etc." but it presents another good option for people who ARE fortunate enough to live close by or otherwise are staying somewhere.
i’ve experience this a couple times for twenty one pilots shows (bigggg camping culture) and it is so very helpful. i would still get there early to get my number in the morning, but the freedom to leave and head back home to get rest, eat, hydrate, etc has made these concerts some of the best i’ve been to. i wish more venues implemented this system!
I think pits are still really great for smaller shows for smaller bands, but when it's a popular artist with a dedicated fanbase, it's just not a good idea. Swell Entertainment's recent video on concert culture talked a lot about it, and she did a great job at explaining the problems with the pit and where and how it can be utilized.
Absolutely, Swell did a great job with her video!
Another glaring issue with camping, for me, is that it is extremely privileged. Most people cannot take the day(s) off work/school to camp for a good spot in the pit. This is why I much prefer NOT having a pit and just having floor seats. Even in this case, people can still come a few hours before the show to mingle with other fans at the venue, share freebies, etc without the pressure or animosity to sprint to get a good seat. I'm not sure if it should be completely banned per say, because their are fandoms/subgenres where moshing and being in the pit is very much a part of the culture, but I do understand why more and more artists are opting not to have GA anymore (ex. Taylors upcoming tour)
but taylor has pits for her next upcoming tour, no?
@@allaboutmika at least for the Chicago shows my friends were trying to get tickets for, the floor section was seated! but it might be different for other venues? I know she's done pit for her rep tour though!
I was gonna comment this! I saw Harry in summer and left straight after work to get to the venu.. I can't choose my vacation days so camping and the pit wasn't an option.. also the thought of staying out there for days and nights without a toilet and real food is so scary 😅
@@allaboutmika i think her shows don't have general admission (standing pit) but a seated pit but i'm not sure
@@allaboutmika she offers seated floor tickets, there isn’t a standing pit tho. she used to have a small pit in past shows but doesn’t have it anymore which is great imo
Honestly, all of this is why I've straight up been scared to buy pit tickets, the more and more I see on them, the less safe it seems. I'm not sure how you could even get rid of pit because of the way most venues are structured, and even if they like close of the area, there's definitely going to be videos coming out of people climbing into those closed areas regardless.
It's also such an essential concert THING, like the energy of a pit, but it has to do with respect. A really good example of a respectful crowd is the AC/DC concert at River Plate in Argentina, if you look up any performance from that concert. It was a massive crowd, but it's really respectful and people aren't clawing at each other to move 1 step closer to the artist.
Hi! I'm also a no-pit person, so I totally get it.
seats all the way >>>
I feel like rock and punk shows have by far the best concert etiquette!!! Go hard but take care of your fellow audience members
@@meghansullivan6812 Oh 100%! Just went to one recently (it was for “I Prevail”. Pierce the Veil was headlining for them. So a lot of people came over) and I was at the pit. It was my first time at the pit and I was scared because I don’t do well in crowds and I was worried about getting squashed because I’m tiny. I was surprised to learn that it was really easy to maneuver through the crowd. I was a good distance from the stage too. I like how the idea of “if you see someone fall, pick them up” is so engrained in punk/rock concerts.
Nice I'm going to I Prevail in the beginning of next year, how was it? What kind of set did they play? ^^
pre-covid, i loved the pit. i loved being close to the artist, being surrounded by people who love the same music as you, jumping around with them. i found the pit experience to be a "we're all in this together" mindset, where almost everyone was respectful of each other and we weeded out any individuals with poor/inappropriate behavior.
post-covid, i've seen more of an "every person for themselves" mindset. everyone trying to push themselves closer to the stage, cutting directly in front of shorter people and blocking their view. everyone around feels like their playing defense and offense to hold their spot and get closer to the stage. AND THE WORST FOR ME is EVERYONE...EVERYONE...sticking their goddamn phones in the air to film basically the ENTIRE show.
so no matter if you're tall or short, your view is blocked by 10s of 100s of arms and hands and phones. i saw "Boys Like Girls" recently and the lead singer for the last song stopped mid-way, told everyone to put their freaking phones down, and just be there in the moment because it was so bad.
because of these things, i do not think pits should be a thing for more popular bands/venues. if it's a show with a smaller fanbase and crowd, the pit is probably fine.
as a short person, I truly feel this in my core and I've spent somuch time educating my fanbase on concert etiquese. Let's not even talk about festivals. NEVER AGAIN!!!! I hate when TALL PEOPLE DON"T HAVE CONSIDERATION!!!!
It's really hard as a tall person because I never want to end up taking away the view of a short person, but then I don't know where to go because I'll basically always take the view away from someone with my height... it's a real struggle, I'll be honest
People need to understand that the artist isn’t there just for “you.” at this point I’m passed being such a wild fan that I need to have my moment with an artist. Usually I just see the show, buy some merch, and leave. No point in pushing yourself as close to the artist as possible. They are there for their fans as a whole, not just you.
that’s really sad, i have to post videos of concerts for my job and i don’t even have my phone up the entire time.
I've never been to a stadium show before that's why I got a front row seat in the nose bleeds for this upcoming chilli peppers concert, I'm aiming for the VIP experience with minimal waiting, and drama as possible,
It's going to be interesting to see who I'm sitting next too as I'm going by myself, hopefully they don't mock me and call me a loser lmao !
I'm pretty optimistic though, I think it'll be a great night !
this is actually kind of scary. i don’t see why they would do this for even a couple of days. either way you are still getting to see the artist and have a good time. also honestly the least they could do is pick up their trash 😭
As a short person who can’t see very well without glasses, is scared to wear them at a gig and whose eyes can’t tolerate contacts, I camp overnight for big gigs cause if I’m further back I can’t see. Even when my eyesight was fine, if I got one tall person in front of me that was it, so I try to get barrier.
It also has its advantages at certain gigs. Green Day andParamore for example bring people on stage and it’s usually the ones at the front. On the practical side, you get water from security, you can leave your bag on the floor, have the barrier for support when you’re tired and if something goes wrong you can easily get out compared to being in the middle of the pit. Also you’re safe from mosh pits, walls of death etc
i understand the people who literally travel for hours just to see the performer especially when they doesnt even have concerts in where they live (i once camped overnight because of that exact reason too), and since it usually happens by car, if they try to go on time they might be too late for a decent seat so basically all that effort was not for nothing but wasnt worth it cuz of the fact that u had to travel so far away and using alot of ur energy just for more discomfort, if u understand what im trying to say
I've only camped once in my life, and it's really insane how even back in 2018 showing up 2 days before the concert landed me around 70th in line. It's crazy cause after I moved to Korea I realized they avoid it completely here by just removing the problem itself - first come, first served. Instead of an open pit, there are seats in the GA area that everyone is randomly assigned. The seat is even tied with your government ID or passport when you purchase your ticket and they check it again at the venue so it's really hard to resell tickets. It really opened my eyes to how easy this issue is to solve, if anyone actually cared to solve it.
While that solves the issue, seats in the pit would defeat the point for a lot of people. Concert etiquette/culture in the US vs Korea is just too different to compare. It just would not have the same vibe at all. The last show I saw was lil uzi and if it’d been assigned seats, it would’ve ruined the show for me to be honest. The pit is supposed to be like one big party. If I wanted to just sit and watch the show, I’d purchase a seat.
@@shayd4107 You're right that it's not ever really a "party" here, but I think that has more to do with the culture than the actual system. There's nothing stopping people from standing up and moving closer to the stage, it just predetermines where in the pit you are beforehand. There doesn't even need to be seats, sometimes it's just a pre-assigned number that is followed when entering the venue.
I live in Korea and concerts are SO different here. Most of the time there’s not a pit, GA, or standing sections at all. The first I’ve seen is the recent BTS concert in Busan, but people still had assigned sections for standing in. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone camping out for a concert here. Also, everyone remains seated during the whole concert. It is just a cultural norm. However, both Billie Eilish and Blackpink were telling fans to stand up and that it was okay to jump around. I was at the barricade at Billie because I had a seated ticket there. She allowed us to stand up and come closer to the barricade and extended stage, but it was still only the people in those small sections. Harry is performing in Seoul in March and I’m very curious how it’s gonna be. I expect it’s going to be a lot of foreigners in the crowd who are used to western/American concert culture.
oh that is so interesting! i imagine it to be way less stressful for us but also maybe less rewarding for the artist with everyone sitting? would love to experience this tho
i just know those rich american and british fans will be on the first flight to sk
All the kpop concerts I’ve been to in the USA have seats for pit I’ve only seen once group with ga pit and no one camped out. I was super late to the show to and still got into the first 5 rows 😂
most of the Kpop concerts I've been to here in England were much smaller artists so there was a pit, but it was easily controlled and done as safely as possible (I'd say max 2,000 people all standing in a big room, tight but still space to move around), but the couple bigger concerts I've seen/been to had all seating. it's definitely something western artists/every venue here should start implementing once the audience size gets any bigger than that.
@@Heythereitskirstyn yeah I think the only ones ive been to with a standing GA pit were Monsta X (don’t think anyone camped tho) and Ateez (their first concert and the whole venue was GA)
Just because people in the pit can get really nasty and ruin the whole vibe of the concert with bragging and pushing, I usually buy seated tickets and as these terrifying incidents in pits happen, I think we should have organized seating plans for the general admission as well so everyone can be safer and still have fun in their own manners, without becoming "relative-close" to each other.
i always like to be as close to the stage as possible with seated tickets. being on the sides will grant you that. wherever the mixing station is, that's where the artist climbs to the stage and you get a really nice view. i've done that with tyler the creator twice and never regretted it. his pit goes insane so having a close view while seated was awesome. had the time of my life
On another note: if you go to punk or rock concerts, don’t worry about the going to the pit! Trust me, good pit etiquette is heavily emphasized in those concerts. People help each other in the pits all the time.
@@parkchimmin7913 I just had the rude awakening that my last proper pit experience was 11 years ago (RIP) but I remember at a festival, waiting for another band to start and ending up with Rammstein SHOOTING FIRE OVER THE PIT and foam from a giant penis canon and just watching the pit split in to half excited pit, half evacuation channels because heating up a pit in the Australian sun was a terrible idea.
People were actually letting people return to barrier after helping others out of there. It was nuts.
Great show, but organisers should have recognised the temperature issue lmao.
I just found a recording of the show and correction: They BREATHED fire over the audience. Holy shit. I was nowhere near the stage and was actually at the stage next to it - I felt the heat. How are they still alive.
Okay update nobody asked for: they also shot a pretend fan with a flame thrower and set a fake petrol pump on fire. All the things i missed because of the keyboard player in a sequined suit walking on a treadmill while playing.
@@buddywriggles Woah. That’s sounds dangerous. Fun and cool, but hella dangerous. I hope they passed bottles of water around to the crowd. Edit: the concert you described sounds like a big fever dream. Jesus.
most of the larger kpop concerts in the usa have gotten rid of ga all together and just had floor seating and honestly, i think it's the best option here. people don't camp out, there's no fights for barricade, and people can shower and eat beforehand
I had friends that camped out for shows idk how they do it. but yes the smell is absolutely insane at some concerts I been to. like one time I got sick and had to leave bc a girl 💩 in the pit. another time it was so bad the artist themselves said something about it.
that's disgusting. i'm so sorry. i don't respect people who do that. how are you gonna poop and pee on the floor? do you have no shame ???? it's so much better to go to a bathroom and lose your spot than risk hygienic problems not only for yourself but for others as well. this isn't medieval times where they didn't have bathrooms and everybody pooped in the streets !!!! poopy fosters bacteria !!!!!
Wtf is wrong with people?! I tend to camp overnight for big artists I like but I’ve never seen anything like this! I’ve never met anyone camping more than one night though so that might be why. I’m sorry you had to see that!
she did WHAT
was she drunk or something? maybe she had a medical condition like IBS but still WTF
"a girl 💩 in the pit."
Be glad you weren't at Woodstock '99....
over there it was like MULTIPLE PEOPLE💩 in the pit! 🤢🤢🤢
My favorite arguments that happen with pit lines for those who camped is when the time to actually prepare the official line starts, and the actual concert staff don't "honor" their line with their fan lead numbers. And then they hit them with the "camping wasn't allowed", so people who just came on time instead of camping can go in before them if they want to cus it's allowed. Puts a smile on my face !
dude I WISH that was happened at my concert. People were pushing and switching numbers it was ridiculous. I got there a few hours early because I knew there’d be a queue and I’d never experienced GA so I was hoping to be okay.. turns out people had been there overnight (in the middle of LONDON in a heat wave) despite camping before 6am not being allowed?
I find it sooo frustrating when venues (or band security) honor fan systems instead of following the original rules… it’s really unfair to the people who don’t have Twitter to get updates on the lines and just show up when the venue said to show up
As someone that has camped for concerts a couple of times, it makes me furious. When people are queued up it’s ridiculous for someone else to cut the line. It’s like me going to the supermarket, seeing an massive queue and going to the front and the cashier being fine with it.
I do draw the line at one night though. Anything over than that is insane. Especially at venues within a city where the spaces around them need to be used by people just living their lives.
Also I’ve never used Twitter, you don’t really need it. You know that if it’s a big artist you want to see people will b3 camped there overnight.
@katiethehuman7737 twenty one pilots has this problem. i refuse to buy GA because of it lol i just get seats
@@bexxx97 yup, I experienced it with Greta Van Fleet who had the same security as TØP at the show I went to :/ I showed up an hour and a half early and was still 300+ in line. I still had a good spot for most people but I’m visually disabled so I couldn’t see anything :(
i will never forget during olivia’s sour tour in the us, where one venue said no camping until 3 hrs before the show due to construction (which is a HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE) yet people were there overnight
I fully believe camping culture is, at least, part of the reason why there are no pit options for the eras tour. That and the overall safety issues that come with GA sections.
stadium tours rarely have pit from my experience. Elton john and the weeknd had all assigned seatd
In Argentina people have been camping for Harry Styles for over 5 months. They have groups of arround 50 per tent and they rotate who stays so that they can work and go to school etc . What blows my mind is that you could be in tent n5, camp for months and still have 200 people before you on the day of the concert.
Entré a comentar eso jsjsjsj yo por suerte saqué platea 💀
Ain’t no way bruh. 5 MONTHS?!
as someone who mainly goes to concerts for artists from alternative music subcultures, ppl who camp are always INSANE. But having a pit is such a huge part of the culture in the scene, like a lot of fans wouldn't go to a seated rock gig
Yeah, can you imagine metalheads just happy to sit down and watch a show? Just calmly nod along to a breakdown? Hahah, not an option
It's actually extremely common to camp for concerts here in Brazil (at least for international artists' concerts). I think it's 'cause the tickets are never numbered and we don't see these singers live often, so it's a huge deal for a lot of fans
Totally. And that's not just for the pit, the higher seats are also not numbered, so we're also competing with other people even for those. Also, most of the time artists only ever come to like 1 or 2 cities here at most, so for me, in order to see these concerts, I have to get on a 3 hour plane to get to the cities they usually happen in. So it's not often that I have the money or availability to do that. All that said, for the bts concert in 2019, I arrived there 2 days in advance and stayed on the line till the show, but there had been people already camping there since 3 months before, pretty much since ticketing day.
recently found out it’s common even for national artists concerts as well!! went to a jão concert a couple weeks ago and people had been camping on line for like a month prior? i was sooo surprised
@@lmpb5533 yesss I also went to the BTS concert in São Paulo!!! The only stadium concert I've ever gone till this day lol
Even if I wanted to I couldn't camp 'cause I'm from Maceió and only got there the day before
COME TO BRAZIL
The older I get the more I hate pits and GA standing room concerts 😂 I went to a Tinashe’s New Year Eve show and she didn’t come out until 4 hours after the start time (she had three opening acts) so I was glad I splurge and got the balcony seating bc standing for that long would’ve been hell. I generally just don’t like the smell and and lack of concert etiquette of pits. I go to mostly R&b shows so the crowd is different and knows how to act like humans but in some of the pop, rock and rap shows I’ve been to, people just has no decorum. It’s gotten even worse since Covid
Agreed!! If it's a small enough show that GA is the only option, fine. But if I can get seats I GET SEATS.
r&b or indie shows are elite. the crowds are always respectfully and clean. the small venues don't stink as much to be honest. small venues are GA only and i've never had a problem with people acting out. it's always the stadium/arena venues that have nasty ass hoes just there and ruining the vibe
I've had people who've camped for days heckle me for arriving late and getting in first like babes do you not see the walking stick I need barricade to lean on and have access to security you are literally still going to be front and centre
Like I'm soooo sorry the like 3 disabled people in the ACCESS PRIORITY line mean ur not #1 on a fuckin 60ft long barrier /s
I’m always begging for disability access at the shows I go to (I’m visually disabled 🤓) but then I’m like “is it actually worth it to have barricade if able-bodied people are gonna bother me for getting accommodations” lmao 🙃
@@katiethehuman99 I say fuck em we deserve nice things too
@@fatalimmortality801 true that bestie
At BTS concerts chairs are put out in the pit and are sold just like seats anywhere else in the stadium. It's sooo much better than an open pit because it eliminates camping since the seats are already allocated, and it stops dangerous things from happening like people getting crushed in the pit. All the pit tickets are the same price too, so it's not unfairly down to who has the most money to spend on being closest to the stage. Literally just works the same as the process for buying seats elsewhere in the venue. You're allowed to stand up during the show too just as long as you're in front of your seat - security guards were really good at making sure people stayed in place instead of trying to run towards the side of the stage and potentially causing others to follow them.
definitely don't ban pit 😭 standing vs sitting at a concert is *too* different
but i've never understood why there wasn't more safety stuff implemented into pits for larger concerts, things like a second fixed barricade to divide the people right at the front vs those who are happy to stay back a little just as a safety measure to avoid people getting crushed
have been to some venues that had a couple fixed barriers up, but not a full length thing, although they were helpful for people who wanted to stand but needed the security of being able to lean back on a bar and not be pushed from behind
but if you could have a system where people get to be right at the front safely, a secure divider in place and maybe security either side so people can go to the bathroom or go get a drink without losing their spot, and a slightly different ticket, maybe a prize draw system or single entry charitable raffle you can opt into attached to your specific ticket, or people getting picked at random, or some sort of system to control it and keep it fair etc etc, i think you could retain the hype of having barrier tickets without the safety issues and chaos of it all, something to remove the power of getting there super early
you can still stand when there’s seats though
@@Alyssa-jf9kb totally depends on the venue and seating spot
many venues don't allow standing in seated areas whether for safety or visibility reasons, the majority of my experiences with seating have been that security can and will enforce the fact you have to stay seated, and as much as i can understand it, it's also heartbreaking every time people stand up because they're having a good time and are forced to sit back down, it kills the energy
sometimes i agree! e.g. often seated areas include disabled tickets and if the people in front start standing up, that's a problem, or e.g. here in the UK a lot of venues are old theatres so the angle the seats are at is dangerous if people are standing up and dancing, or e.g. when the seats are foldable temporary ones in stadiums and the like, people standing up opens up the risk of shorter people standing on the chairs to be able to see which is a major hazard
i spent almost 10 years exclusively sitting at concerts due to a disability (a type where i *could* physically stand, i just needed to sit for most of it, but the seats didn't allow that freedom of choice most of the time), and it's only very recently that i've been able to stand for full concerts again - the experiences don't compare, and i can only think of 3 concerts (out of 20+) where sitting down didn't actively impact the immersion into the experience, but even in those it would have been even better standing had i been able to and i was aware of the difference
there are many, many reasons why seated tickets are better for a lot of people, and there's also the opposite issue of some venues not having any or enough seated tickets which is a major accessibility problem obviously, and i've experienced some exclusively standing concerts where there were people next to me who were overwhelmed or had to leave early because they should have been sitting down but didn't have that option /didn't realise they could have applied for the accessibility bar stools or balcony tickets
but i don't think either end of just seated or just standing is right
The closest thing to ‘camping’ that I ever did was wait outside a music shop for five hours to get tickets for Radiohead. I was right to do so, they sold out really fast and there was quite a queue, but I would never wait anywhere for more than that. Honestly I’m so glad concert tickets are all online now, it’s a lot easier to just load them up on a computer than have to rush to a CD shop.
Honestly I would do the same thing to see Radiohead
not to mention most of the time it’s so unsafe for usually young women to sit out on the street for days. i saw loona back in august and the street the venue was on was just not safe for anyone to be sitting on before the sun comes up or any venue staff arrives, and lots of people on twitter were saying this but people still camped… it was crazy
I didn’t see loona but the venue they had in Colorado was also for dreamcatcher…there was absolutely no way that would have been a safe place to camp that place definitely felt more unsafe after the sun went down.
@@starhwas yes!! i saw loona in denver at that venue ! i don’t even like being on colfax during the daytime i don’t know how people were comfortable lining up at like 3am 😭
@@loverofeverything. it was definitely uncomfy at times during the day for sure! I don’t think anyone camped for dc thank goodness.
as someone who lives in the middle east camping for concerts is actually crazy to me because it is not a thing here at all and it does not affect the experience. everybody still manages to get the spot that they want or change to a better spot after the concert starts (it is also not common for somebody to faint during shows and i believe a part of the reason is because nobody camps for long hours/days). some people still show up an hour or two early of course but that's about it.
i also believe that camping can be unfair to people who would still love to have a good spot or get barricade but are busy with life or physically cannot handle it. also, i think pits should definitely stay because they can still be fun, but we should also spread the idea that you can still enjoy your concert regardless of your spot. if the performer is good, the show will be good regardless of where you are standing/sitting. i think parasocial relationships with the artist play a big part in causing all this fight over the barricade, because they want the artist to see and interact with them, but in reality that shouldn't be THE reason you go to a concert.
The only concert I'd camp out for is... 🤷🏾♀ This is coming from an absolute music lover.
Honestly I think the back of the pit is severely underrated. I’ve only ever been in pit once and we were in the back but we had a blast! There was so much room to dance and jump around and some of the artists could see us and waved to us too.
It does look pretty lit. I saw Deftones in an arena recently, I was up in assigned seating section and I could see this one guy in the back of the pit dancing in his own little worth the whole time. And he was like, a good dancer too. Maybe had a ballet background, the moves he was pulling off!!
10:38 like, even at Harry’s concerts. This man has a literal song called treat people with kindness and these irks who call themselves fans literally beat each other to the ground just so they can here him sing a song about treating people with kindness! It’s ridiculous
If I have pit tickets, the concerts are usually a whole day event for me. I arrive as soon as I can the day of (but usually not sooner than noon) and then wait in line for a few hours. I never got barricade, but I'll usually manage to get like 5-10th row and it seems pretty good to me. I'm a massive fan of some of the artists I've seen live but even camping overnight seems too much to me. Some people get way overboard, but I would miss the pit concert experience if it would be completely replaced with seating tickets.
im the exact same and even then i hate that camping has become so standard that it’s now a necessity to get a good view. the last two concerts i went to were vip, waited six hours, and still no barricade
One thing I've seen being done at free concerts where the entire town square is basically a giant pit is dividing everything into smaller sections with barricades. I'm sure something similar could be done at regular concerts as well, some people would probably still camp to get the best spot in their section but it wouldn't be as bad as it is now since no matter how long you camp for, you won’t be able to get any closer to the stage than what you already paid for.
That’s what I was thinking! I feel like “sub-pits” would be more manageable, as there’s smaller sections of standing area and the patrons pay and get assigned a specific sub section. Perhaps paying more for a closer subsection rather than one that’s further back. That could totally reduce the risk of all hell breaking loose
Hey girl I loved this video as a concert goer emphasis on the STANK in those venues especially when they're indoors also just a little feedback, maybe try putting some more photos for reference in the video so people who may have never witnessed camping or incredibly long lines can get a visual along with what you're saying ❤️❤️
I really hope that all of this leads to more seated concerts! It is so hard to find concerts that have seating. Due to me being disabled I have had to not go to a lot of concerts because the only seating was optional, if the concert venue had a bar. Which is also super rough for those underage because they can't go to the seating area. There needs to be more seated concerts in general but also I hope it would help with problems like camping.
Bts got rid of pits after 2018 if I remember correctly, but people still camp mostly for the merch now. The easiest way to get rid of this issue is to be able to “preorder” or just buy the merch online and pick it up in the venue in my opinion
icb they dont do that for the biggest boy group in the world...
your conclusion is spot on. there’s a very fine line between everyone be safe and everyone have fun. i hate to think as a community we could ruin camping to the extent of seeing it replaced by having to pay more for a good spot
This is crazy to me. As an old even when I was in a pit for a concert (Radiohead), it was a miserable experience in my early twenties, so camping out for that experience is just insane to me...If a Radiohead pit was not a good experince in the 2007, I can't imagine what pit is like now for an artist like Harry Styles...
people camping out so long to see their FAV without taking care of themselves just to get front row looking their absolute worst and smelling bad?? 😭 how are they not embarrassed
i think getting rid of pits is interesting bc on some concerts, say a rock concert, people like to mosh pit and run in the circle. yea that’s not safe but it’s part of the “experience” so maybe ppl wouldn’t go if it was seated bc they want to move around.
I heard that Bruce Springsteen’s biggest fans leave his shows early to go get to the venue and camp out for the next show BEFORE THEIR SHOW IS EVEN FINISHED
i-- WHAT
bruce springsteen 😭
i can't 😭
Ugh. I heard a bad story recently about fans who were following Frank Iero’s band (not mcr lol. I forget the name) from venue to venue. They were playing a very small punk venue in a church basement, and tried to do the whole number system while standing at the wrong entrance. This person who is local and had attended many punk shows at the venue went to the actual entrance to wait on the day of, and these rude people hassled them about “cutting the line”. No respect for the local venue and culture, or for people who CANT AFFORD to drive across multiple US cities and towns to attend every single show.
@@hannah-6080 holy shit really??? i don't usually see lines like these but like, i mostly go to punk/emo shows at those sorts of small venues and people are usually so chill, coming across something like that would be just mortifying tbh like.. it's really not that hard to be normal about people. like yeah it's exciting and crazy but like it's never worth ruining literally everybody's night in the process
It’s so dangerous too like it’s young people sleeping in the middle of the night is sometimes rough areas, that’s terrifying to me
ok we have to rethink concerts the second people start PEEING ON THE FLOOR
when i went to the conan gray concert camping people were going CRAZY trying to control everyone in line.... me nd my gf arrived there at 3pm and they realized they didn't marked us at like 7pm and wanted us TO GO TO THE BACK OF THE LINE because they didin't put a ridiculous number on our hand lmao and literally insulted and bullied us the whole show it was terrible
something similar happened at the conan show i went to!! There was a girl who didnt get a number from the people marking... she got sent to the back of the line at like 6pm , bawling her eyes out because im pretty sure she was within the first or 100 people in line and i felt so badddd
@@GypsiesTrampsandALDC oh no i feel so bad for her :(((
concerts are literally so scary right now i feel so incredibly unsafe every time i go
this summer i had the opportunity to go to the away from home festival in malaga, spain. We arrived to the city about three days before the event, and decided to go check out the venue and see if we could speak to a security guard to know how it was inside and for tips or whatever.
here's the thing, malaga's heat and humidity are unbelievable. when we talked to the security man he told us the worst time was close to noon and to just come the day of the concerts an hour or two before they open the gates, so we would be well rested, hydrated and would be able to enjoy! then, we when to see the line bc we figured that three days before there would maybe be a couple of people.
there were easily 200 people and we talked to some of them,,,,,,,,the first people in line had been there for ELEVEN DAYS !!!!!!! i could not believe it !!!!! they were living like homeless people (not trying to be offensive) and everything was so dirty, including them !!! you would think that being right next to the beach it wouldve been easier to at least make it LOOK like they were clean. and they were from northern europe or something, like they were EXTREMELY sunburnt !!!!!
the very next day we went to walk through the city to sightsee and wtvr and we could only do half the day bc it was so hot and humid !!! we had to go into stores and cafes to escape from it and all i could think about was the girls that had been waiting in line for more than a week !!!!! for an hour long show (the festival had many artists but everyone was there for louis tomlinson) !!!!!!!!!
this was my first experience like this and i was so surprised..... honestly that fell sad for the venue people
I've been able to see well over 200 concerts so far in my life. The camping thing is so real and I'm even guilty of it myself from my teens to early twenties. I've seen everything you described. I was so lucky a few times to not pass out. I stopped because I realized how bad I was treating my body sitting outside in the sun all day with barely any water. And then sitting at a baracade for hours and only being given beer is a bad bad time. I made a lot of friends doing that but some of them were questionable... Even met the girl that would pee in the pit cuz she didn't want to lose her spot. I don't go to many concerts anymore. And when I do I'm totally ok with standing in the back.
It's this type of culture that is making me not want to go to concerts or going but never getting pit tickets. People are so disrespectful sometimes, pushing everyone all around, like i get it, I bought the ticket because I want to see this person too, but could I not die inbetween, like ugh
I don't think we should get rid of pits, but i think we should separate them, like put them in numerous sections, differently priced tickets, there is no need for there to be one price for a place where 10k people end up squshing
Not to mention with venues, often times if you’re camping for multiple days, you’re disrupting the venue for the shows that they hold back to back. You’re disrupting the whole venue ecosystem.
I was going to say, do you think the venue does nothing else?
As someone who was pit for a punk show it truly is not all it’s made out to be. Sure your close to the performer(s) but at what cost? You have no personal space, people are always pushing to get closer, there is a certain smell to the crowd too. The only fun thing about Pit for me was the moshing but I could have done that without being barricade. I ended up having to leave center barricade to left barricade where the crowd was much thinner because of the smell and pushing issue. I did make friends with the event staff and security which was pretty cool.
Also if I was an artist I would feel so weird about people camping outside for weeks just to get close to me like something about that feels so weird. I’m not saying camping should be all out banned because it can be fun and a bonding experience for fans but I think there need to be regulations in place to keep everyone safe (and smelling good)
I went to a concert this summer and bought an early-entry ticket and it came with a “no-line” perk where my number in the entry line was pre-assigned to me when I bought the ticket. I think it might help for more shows since it got rid of the need to get there super early.
Harry styles did virtual check in for half of pit and it was AMAZING. no camping. Half of pit had to wait in line and I heard they got there insanely early, it would’ve been nice for all of it to be virtual
seen harry at the forum 10/26 this year. worried about the campers because we had GA. surprisingly, came in about 2 hours before the opening act started and was three rows from barricade. I wore massive platforms and stood out over the three people in front of me, blew a kiss to harry and he threw one back! I definitely feel like camping isn’t necessary and i’m so glad I didn’t do it!
i cannot fathom not showering and having a place to get ready before a concert. PLEASE shower not only for yourself but for the people around you !!
As someone from South America I do understand why people camp here. Honestly artists come here once or if they fell generous twice in their whole career, so people wanna get the best spot just because it is truly a once in a lifetime experience. Also, the venues here are really hit or miss, so if you love someone but can't afford to travel you really wanna get your money's worth.
taylor swift eras tour is gonna be scary
This is so good and thorough and i can only applaud you,, only thing I'd add for the early entry disadvantage is that it excludes fans who maybe dont have as much money and can't just "buy themselves" a better spot and that's also kinda a problem?
that’s why the louis queue up for the melbourne show was completely fine. the venue said no one was allowed to queue up before 8 am the day of the concert, and when it was time to actually stand to go inside, people started collecting trash and throwing it away
Idc how much I like an artist, I'm NEVER going to camp out just to see them wtf 😭
I went to an Arctic Monkeys concert this summer. They're my favorite band so I arrived there early, but by that I mean 4pm. There were already some people there at like 11am, no campers tho. I also ran to the stage to get a good spot, which still ended being 10th row or so. I also didn't want to lose my spot so I barely drank anything so I didn't have to pee, didn't eat anything besides some oreos because I didn't have anything on me. It wasn't great and I was definitely feeling kinda light-headed while waiting and during the support acts. But as soon as the Arctic Monkeys came out I forgot everything. It was totally worth it in the end. I would never camp though and would never, that's insane. I am absolutely against abolishing pits though, I don't think I'd go to a single concert anymore if I there wasn't a pit. Sitting during a concert is my personal hell LOL.
for louis i was literally 460 in line and ended up getting barricade standing next to someone with 50 😭
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I got pit tickets to see louis this summer (AHHHHH) and dont think im going to camp because i have like a life outside of concerts and whatever, but it definitely crossed my mind. thanks for this video, it was super interesting.;
Lol every GA show I've done in the past, people have held spaces so others could go to the bathroom! I turn myself into a starfish til my "new bestie" comes back.
Same, i don't even mind holding spaces for someone to use the bathroom because it's better to be sanitary.
IN DEFENSE OF PEEING IN THE PIT: I’m sure it’s not like this at a Harry Styles concert, but if you’re at a punk/hardcore/metal type show, it’s very difficult to exit the pit to go pee. this last summer I was at Sleeping With Sirens, they had three openers and I was there specifically to see Don Broco, who were coming on last before SWS. Each opener was playing for like 40 minutes ish- a lil longer than normal I think, but Ok.
Me and my girlfriend were pretty close to the barricade but about halfway through the first opener I had to pee. Trouble is we were packed like sardines, and once the mosh pit started up behind us, we were really at the whim of it, when everyone is so close together the mosh pit becomes this unavoidable force and you go with the flow. Even if you can try to exit, it’s difficult and there’s a sense that you better stay where you are.
I tried to hold it but honestly the anxiety of wanting to have a good time once my fave band comes on, plus the natural panic that began to course through my body as it kept screaming at me TIME TO PISS WE GOTTA PISS!, it was unbearable. My girlfriend had a shawl she didn’t care about and she passed it to me saying just pee on this and we’ll wrap it up. Now luckily I can say I did not pee in the pit that day. I couldn’t relax enough to go. And luckily, between the first and second opener, the crowd relaxed enough for me to easily exit the crowd and hit the bathroom. But even then, I felt like an asshole pushing and “excuse-me”ing through the crowd to get back to my girlfriend’s side, and while I feel justified in my actions, I’m sure I angered a lot of people there who didn’t understand why I was trying to “cut” ahead of them.
And it’s hard to avoid this situation too. For that show, we had driven about 3 hours from home, waited in line for 2ish hours, then waited another half hour or so before any music was playing. All the while you’re trying to stay well and hydrated so you can enjoy the show without passing out, but hoping you just don’t have to pee later. And it does fucking suck to not get a good view, honestly. I’ve been to plenty of shows where I was sat up in an assigned seat and this was the once show I could afford to be in the pit, once I was up there a few feet away from my favorite band and vocalist, who was singing his heart out making eye contact with me and others in the crowd, my concert experience became transcendent, just astronomically more wonderful. It was the best night of my life. So the pressure to stay in your spot is real!
TLDR the pressure to stay on the spot you’re at is double at a heavy music show, where the mosh tornado sometimes stops you from moving your body freely at all, on top of the glares you get trying to get back to your spot after you come back from the bathroom. Where you’re situated can drastically affect your concert experience, so there is a real pressure to keep your spot no matter the cost.
i went to Bad bunny to the most expensive ticket and when i was leaving the smell of shit and urine was too much, the next day i started hearing rumors about people going with diapers to the concert.
jesus christ... the amount of people that will throw away hygiene for a concert is SCARY
omg 🤣 people are insane I-💀
I‘ve been at 15 concerts and had a GA ticket for 12 shows. Was at barricade for every show expect BTS and I only camped around 2 times. 1 time for a kpop festival and the other for billie eilish, for the kpop one it wasnt worth at all. I had early entry and had to get carried out before it started because everyone was pushing crazy and i couldnt breath anymore, i started to line up at 11 am the day before and was number 41, mind you i had early entry and people in my section started to camp out FIVE days before even tho their faves would only perform for like 15 minutes. We were also only allowed to go away for like 3 hours, but we still managed to shower and stuff. For billie eilish, it was way more chill. I lined up at 10 am the day before but we could go away the whole time to shower etc. security also supported us but i still felt kinda stupid if that makes sense? In 10 days i‘m going to see blackpink with the vip package and i‘ll only lineup at like 10 am on concert day, i feel like camping isnt really worth it. You could only fix the camping issue with a floor seated plan, otherwise i feel like it could never really be fixed.
for a long time it got so much better but now it's just turning into the 70s when there were constant crowd crushes to see big rock bands at the time. it's really devastating, especially as a musician myself
i remember at my venue for my louis show camping was not allowed but people camped anyways and then the security got mad at them and they were yelling back and forth and stuff but then basically the venue decided to cancel doing wristbands for people who got there early because the people who were camping were being so disrespectful (the security was also pretty mean tbh)
its funny because i live in singapore and over here they already are introducing things to try and help. i recently went to a billie eilish concert here in standing and they had the ‘paying extra for a closer standing’ tickets and they worked pretty well, obviously people still tried to push through and a lot of people fainted because it is very very hot and there were thousands of people crammed together, but people were willing to pay that extra to get a better ticket. I have tickets for a kpop concert and harry styles here next year and both are done completely differently. For Billie I camped out for 6 hours because i was general standing and ended up just behind the premium standing. For Stray Kids, the standing tickets each have a number, the VIP tickets are the first 2 hundred in each standing pen then the rest are general. There are about 1000 people in each pen i believe. Basically when queueing outside, there are specific areas for each numbers to stand in so like numbers 1340-1360 will have a section on the queue. For Harry, they have completely scrapped the idea of a standing pen and made it seated. So when going for ticketing, you just chose a section in the area that would usually be a standing pen and it randomly assigns you seats. There are VIPs for that as well, they just have closest seats.
I've never been to a concert before, so this is very interesting to me. I'm from Malaysia and I heard that people were queueing for over 12 hours to get to the front of the barricade when Billie came here. I had no idea that in other places, people camp for weeks 😬 I guess by eliminating standing tickets altogether, they would be getting rid of the issue, but I can imagine that the concert would probably have a different feel than one with a standing pit. Maybe assigning numbers at purchase would be a better idea. Anyway, very interesting to see how different artists/venues/management deal with the standing pit. I get claustrophobic so I don't think I would ever risk getting standing tickets to a concert (I'm scared I would pass out or throw up). I'm going to Seoul this month to watch a musical and I'm already dreading the merch and photo area lines (and those are absolutely nothing honestly, I'm just anxious around crowds) I think if I ever go to a concert in the future, I would just get a seat. Probably not as fun as standing, though.
I had pit for ateez last week and luckily (I don’t think) anyone got their before 8 am. Although our directions were to get their to line up at 10:30. I got there at 12 and still felt like I was going to pass out during the show because at 1:30 for some reason they decided to give us wristbands and have us go through security and have us wait in a cold underground parking garage until 5:30 which was when they let us in the venue. I left the garage once to go to the bathroom and they made us go back through security which made a lot of people apprehensive to leave. I think a lot of the problems involving the pit lies with the venue and the tour company to properly plan and think of the fans. I also think that the floor should have seats because although you may not be able to get as close it really helps protect people from camping and also just standing on their feet for 4+ hours on end
i had pit for ateez too, in atlanta & people tried camping the night before but thankfully statefarm arena called the cops on them and had them go home. usually i dont like police force being used but aside from making these people aware of their privilege of camping when many homeless people don't have a choice and HAVE to camp and get harassed by the cops, im also glad they got shoo-ed home because downtown atl is a trafficking hub and i wanted everyone to be safe
@gummiehobi i am glad it went kind of okay! I wondered how the GA went this time
I’m glad many K-pop fans are speaking out and supporting Jasmine’s work as well!! It makes me happy since I was a fan of her since her Hey Angel days!
I hope whoever went to the Ateez concerts stayed safe!!
Btw you mentioned numbering, I HATE numbering so much. I had a concert last week and in our country we don't have "official" numbering like most venues in other countries. So people will get their number and just leave for 5 hours if not longer. It's so annoying
The many benefits of living in Mobile/Pensacola where the main venues might hold 200 at the most! It always makes for a more intimate performance, and when crows are that small, you instantly become buddies with whomever is near you! There were so many shows have I been to where there was a tall guy, I'm barely 5'3 w/ Docs, between me and the barrier, and they had no qualms with letting me get in front! I have been in mosh pits where they'd clear a spot and help find my glasses when they'd inevitably fall off, and I've even crowd surfed and had ZERO guys try to touch inappropriately while making sure I was set down safely. And, with these smaller venues, usually the artists I see are more indie, for lack of better wording, and they'll be their own merch guy which means meet-'n-greets feel more genuine!
Thank you so much for bringing this up. I absolutely love going to shows, but I always hated the camping culture, even very early in the morning show day. I have a physical disability that affects my walking/legs and stamina for long periods. and its not fair that I would have to "compete" with able bodied people for a good spot by having to get there way before the scheduled time and have to "camp". I would have loved to get barricade this year for my 1975 show on Nov 10th, but i knew the crowds would be so wild to wait in line early so I just ended up getting there a little before the opener. Luckily that venue had handicap spots I could sit at behind the floor and had a great time, but for the smaller venues with not as much space I don't want to have to get there early in the morning just to get a good spot.
the only concert I "camped" for was twenty one pilots in 2016, we got there at 8am and the concert was around 7-8pm. Longest 12 hrs of my mf life and the nearest corner store didn't let anyone use the washroom so we had to walk 2 blocks to the nearest mall to use the washroom LOL. i guess it was worth it,we were close to barricade and tyler held my hand to help steady himself on the crowd for holding onto you ❤ i have the video here on my TH-cam LOL
I was able to do GA once (before crowd crush became more common) and while I'm grateful for my experience (best time of my life), I wouldn't consider doing it again because of the effort involved in getting your money's worth and how commonplace crowd crushing seems to be these days. It's ironic because you would expect that people who buy GA tickets would be able to get the best experience just for paying more to attend the show, but in reality, you have to work hard by getting to the venue earlier than others, camping out, etc. just to make sure you get your money's worth. People who buy seated tickets don't have to worry about that kind of stress.
I think a good solution to this problem of camping out, if it's possible, is to number all of the GA tickets in order of purchase. Maybe upon ordering it would tell you what number you are and what time your ticket would become valid to enter the venue. For example GA tickets 1-50 can enter the venue at 5 pm and tickets 51-100 can enter at 5:15 pm. And if people try to enter the venue earlier than their call time, the ticket would not yet become valid and they would be turned back. This could deter people from camping out for too long.
Also, I recently went to a concert in which the GA area had foldable chairs. I thought this was such a good idea. Nearly everyone, if not everyone entirely, in the GA area had a chair to sit in between songs, interludes, etc. Of course, the order of entry was first come, first serve. But I think this was a great way to prevent crowd crush and I think more venues should implement this idea.
Side note: I don't think you can do GA alone, unless you make friends with the people in line with you. You needs someone to hold your place while you take a bathroom break. Someone needs to be able to get food, drinks, etc. I cannot believe people actually pee in the pit!😲
Tbh hearing all this makes me both very glad that i paid for an actual seat on the eras tour but also terrified bc one of my dream concert experiences is getting barricade at a ghost concert 😅
This is stalker behavior and I don’t know how these people can think that the artist they like would approve of this behavior. If you want to be so close to the venue, at least get a hotel room or something. How do you have the free time to do this? If you’re a minor with no job, then where are the adults? What about school? Like it makes no sense.
I'm not sure if a queue number system for the pit/standing section could help, but it's becoming more normalized in kpop concerts to have this system. People would still resell their low QN pit tickets but from what've seen in the concerts I went to this year, this system really helped like control the crowds some what since they are entering the venue with a guaranteed spot based on queue number.
As someone who is a fan of metal bands who rarely have over 2000 capacity shows, thank god for me. 😂😂😂 I recommend everyone get into smaller artists no matter the genre so you can get barricade by showing up 3-4 hours early.. not days early.. Lmao.
i went to a BTS concert years ago when they were still doing standing GA, even went to a different state for it. bless my mother, she waited in line with me at 3AM and there were already ppl all around the venue in line. thankfully the group stopped doing that and now they only do seated tickets 😅
I just found this video, and am going to the ATEEZ concert here in Toronto in a couple weeks. One thing they've done that is interesting is they have a couple different VIP levels you can get for tiered entry (stadiums have 3 tiers of VIP, while arenas have 2). However, although stadiums have floor seating for their VIP tiers (so all 3 levels have assigned seats just like everyone else), they DO still have regular GA access on the floor at arenas... so as an older fan who has to show more restraint in terms of lining up all day (or night!) and really CANNOT camp or else it will be extremely detrimental to my health, I really am worried for the younger fans who don't pay as much attention to their bodies yet and maybe don't understand their own physical limitations who'll camp because they're either the 2nd tier of VIP or regular GA, mainly for the exact reasons you mentioned: our show is August 8th, so it'll be HOT and they probably won't be talking good enough care of themselves and could pass out (hadn't thought about the smell... but I always wear a face mask in crowds anyway because of both sensory and autoimmune reasons).
BUT another big thing you didn't mention is the accessibility side of things. Like I said, stadium venues are seated for all their VIP levels, so EVERYONE at those concerts has an assigned seat. However, arena venues - like the one here in Toronto - are still GA standing for all VIPs as well as the regular GA ticket holders (I have a friend who used to work with touring bands, who explained it's a safety thing to do with the ice in arenas, for why they can't put seats but... yeah). As someone with hypermobility that has led to joint issues and chronic pain, I CANNOT stand for upwards of 8 hours the way some people will on the day (even though I splurged on the highest level of VIP so I could get the earliest access to the show and theoretically not have to line up early since those of us with that tier will likely ALL get barricade, the VIP lineup for wristband check-in (when we WILL get numbers) still starts at 10 AM, with check-in then happening at 11, and then the concert starts at 7:30 PM - and there's stuff like early access to merch and soundcheck in between, so... people are still going to lineup early, or at the very least be standing from 11 AM all the way through the show, because once the soundcheck queue starts at 3 PM - again, for which we'll have numbers but some people don't trust their enforcement - and we're let in for soundcheck at 4:30 PM for the soundcheck at 5:30 PM, no one will want to leave even to go to the bathroom because they won't want to lose their spot...). So, thinking ahead, I bought and am bringing a cane that can also become a small seat so I can at least take breaks and sit when I need to while waiting in line, as well as between soundcheck and the concert - but I had to get a special letter from the venue to be allowed to do so since the bag restrictions are so incredibly strict, with only bags that are 6.5”x4.5” MAXIMUM allowed (don't worry - as far as concert etiquette goes - I wouldn't have my cane open as a seat DURING soundcheck or the actual show, unless I REALLY needed to, in which case I'd move to the side even if I'm barricade). But I"m reading stories of fans at earlier stops in the tour who are disabled and DIDN'T bring their canes into the pit, who got SHOVED and KICKED by other fans who camped and fought their way to the barricade despite NOT being VIP like the disabled fans were, just because those violent fans were desperate to see their faves - while causing potentially life-altering injuries to the disabled fans who didn't have the strength to fight back...
As for me, along with hypermobility joint issues and chronic pain, I also have something called Polymorphous Light Eruption (PMLE), which is essentially a sun allergy, as well as very likely have something called Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS), which makes me extremely sensitive to heat, pollution, pollen - you name it; and remember, this show is beginning of AUGUST. I am preparing to be in line all day if necessary, but have had to buy expensive UV-protective clothing (most of which is also smell-resistant and moisture-wicking, because I *did* at least think about how *I* didn't want to smell); expensive orthopaedic shoes with custom insoles (that look cute regardless); a UV sun umbrella and hat that are both also 50 UPF+; I wear comfortable N99 reusable masks all the time (especially outdoors!); and have a small fan I'll carry all day while also reapplying Korean SPF50+ PA++++ sun cream - but it's best if I DON'T stay outdoors in the sun when the UV level peaks from 10 AM-2PM. One of the massive symptoms of everything I have is EXTREME fatigue, so I get very very sluggish and lethargic after exposure to the sun and heat, so I truly CANNOT camp. Again, I got permission from the venue to bring my sun umbrella inside once it's time (along with my seat cane and a couple prescription meds), but I'm pretty sure there will be other fans with similar issues as me who either haven't realized it yet or don't think to get the letter, so security will stop them from bringing anything inside they might need that most people don't recognize as a medical device. And then they'll have to stand without aid, while fighting extreme pain from standing all day, dehydration from not drinking enough water, and waves of exhaustion from exposure to the sun and heat that, again, could make them faint or pass out during the show.
I just really wish, especially for accessibility reasons, there was assigned seating for EVERYONE, and then camping wouldn't be necessary, but also disabled fans could enjoy the show as much as everyone else.
in france we don’t have official numbering organized it’s always one random girl that comes to you and tries to give you a number
at some concerts i came early so i was advantaged and at other i came quite late in the afternoon and my place in the pit was always decided in the moment randomly (most of the time near the stage not at the barricade) so i think numbering is quite useless some people will always get in front when they were not supposed to and vice versa
imo camping is goofy and embarrassing, i still consider myself a fangirl and always want to have a close look at the artist when they are on stage but most of campers are privileged jobless rich kids who have plenty of time to waste in their lives unlike some people who have actual jobs (or have to wait until the end of their classes in uni) or they are creepy invasive fans so yeah they wait for a long time that’s cute but i don’t really care we do not all have the time to do that
literally just watched amanda/swell entertainment’s video about concert crowds and this is uploaded 5 minutes later lol
same here lmaoo
I feel this is common for people who are attending their first show. They are usually extremely hyped up and "will do anything" until they face the exhaustion of having waited days on end with poor feeding habits and end up passing out at the barricade. I've seen it time and time again, and I lived it too. It's just not worth it. As I've gotten older, and the artists/bands have also gotten older we see that less and less because we've lived through it and know first hand it's simply not worth it. I've been over a 100 concerts over 15 years. Trust me when I say IT IS NOT WORTH IT.
I haven't seen the other videos you mentioned at the beginning talking about concert etiquette but FOR REAL, MAN. We need to understand we HAVE to take care of each other. There is no logistics 911 organization or whatever that can possibly save someone who's being trampled to death. WE. MUST. DO. THAT. That is actually a staple of metal shows. We take furious care of each other. Getting close to the barricade and lose your personal bubble immediately, pushing each other for another 10 hours until the artist comes out is just so stupid. There's no neeeeeeeeeeed to lose your personal bubble 10 hours prior!! That's sudden death I tell ya. But kids attending their first shows will push like there's no tomorrow because they simply don't know how the experience goes. That's not how you make a concert enjoyable.
I'm telling you, I am more terrified of a Harry Styles concert than a Cattle Decapitation one.
In Latin America, camping for weeks on end was the most common thing, at least here in Colombia, because we didn't get that many concerts, so we celebrated through the roof any time some artist decided at last to come. The city itself alongside the police simply made it illegal to camp. That's it. If you want to stand there without seats or tents or blankets, you may (although not near the entrance of the venue), AND risk your safety and health (the capital Bogotá is cold af all year round at night and it pours like crazy), then it's up to you, but no camping material is allowed. As you can imagine, that really discourages people from camping for several days.
It's stupid. Don't do it. Take care of each other, no one is coming to save you.
my number one issue is that privilege is so deeply ingrained in camping culture, and i do wish you had acknowledged that. the people camping have enough privilege to either miss work without issue or not work on top of being able to afford a ticket. i am glad you mentioned them trying on the guise of homelessness! however issues with paid for early entry also come to who can afford to pay that- you still end up with the most privileged people at the front.
Respectfully, I don’t think it’s fair to call it “trying on the guise of homelessness”
No one is doing it for that purpose.
It’s a glaring example of unfair treatment, and it can be very harmful but not for the same reasons that cultural appropriation is.
I haven't finished the video yet but I went to BTS' Citi Field concert (where the pic in the thumbnail is from) and I couldn't believe how people were camping out. This is why I always aim for seats, unless it's a really small venue. I don't know how people do it, the max I would wait on a line is probably the same day, since you have to take off from work anyway! But speaking of donations they did host a food drive which a ton of people donated to which was great. Thankfully they only have seated concerts now.
triggering my memories of the guy who camped out 3 nights before every european chromatica ball show
I saw Stray Kids in London back in 2019 and there was a stabbing in the same area that ppl were camping :/ it's genuinely so dangerous..
A concert I recently went to enforced their no camping policy by giving everyone in the GA a numbered wristband, then doing a lottery to see who could go in first. They did this because some campers got kicked off property and ruined it for everyone else 🙃 I guess that system at least makes it fair?
Weeks and months seems absurd to me. I've waited at like 9 am the morning of the concert for a couple shows, but yeah I can't imagine sleeping outside and stuff. Even that early was enough for me to get barricade so like??
when i went to see louis earlier this year i saw the aftermath of camping. there was an enormous long lane of where people have camped and it was absolutely trashed. there was food, trash and personal belongings everywhere, it was crazy to see. ngl i really started questioning fan behaviour even more.
My one question: How do people go about using the bathroom?
Portaloos, hotels, or a nearby McDonald’s/restaurant
@@raynalee Does someone hold their spot in line while they go?
@@itsallloveingenz from my experience yeah, I’ve never camped overnight but I’ve queued from pretty early in the morning and the people around me have always held my spot.
Barracade is literally the worse spot to be, I always go to the sides and it's always clear and close while the sound is super good and you also get to see the crazy amount of kids passing out against the barracade and getting taken out by security. its ridiculous.
i've never personally seen people camping for shows probably since i'm usually only getting to a venue maybe an hour before doors open at most, but it honestly stuns me to hear about how it goes. i can absolutely speak to audience hygiene as well, i work at a venue (that doesn't really get campers but i digress) and people are just.. gross. the venue i work at is an amphitheater type deal, unfortunately i have definitely heard accounts of people erm, urinating on the lawn and it's just disgusting. so like.. i cannot COMPREHEND these pit experiences i'm hearing.
with that in mind though, i have mixed feelings on the pit. mind you the shows i go to are typically like general admission and a lot of times it's pretty first come first serve but like yeah. i can see what you mean about the issues with the whole front row/barricade thing. the last show i had gone to prior to lockdown had been an against me! show at a smaller venue where i got front row and while there was no barricade the whole crushing thing is no joke and i straight up could've fallen onto that stage by the way people were behaving. it's also just unbelievable the way people will act even at these small shows sometimes. like i had some woman twice my age scream at me for not moving so she could be front row (which she literally could've easily accomplished had she gone up between sets when everybody else was getting a drink or checking out the merch table or whatever) and it's just like.. why, y'know? i feel like people just take it so seriously and forget that they're there to have fun. i don't think pits should be gotten rid of necessarily, because they can be an incredibly special thing (i still remember the pit at warped tour the couple times i went, and it can be fun!) but i also definitely think every venue should have a place where people can sit down and still be able to enjoy the music. most of all though, i just genuinely think people need to stop taking it so seriously
This also goes for camping at festivals in the summer (I live in Chicago). People camp in 90 degree weather, do not take care of themselves and end up fainting or throwing up during the show because they're dehydrated or their bodies simply cannot take it anymore. Don't even get me started on people peeing while waiting in the crowd....
Somewhat related, the fan hierarchies that are present in a lot of fandoms is, I feel, a HUGE reason behind the craziness happening with camping. I feel like being a fan is no longer just about being a fan, but about being THE BEST fan. Who is the most loyal? Who gets noticed the most? It’s almost a competition at this point. Unfortunately, people will always keep trying to be “the best”, which will only make camping even more crazy.
I realized I was incredibly lucky, I went on both Stromae’s sold out NYC concerts for 20k people with GA tickets on both days. One day I arrived 1.5hrs before start time and 2hrs the other. Made it to first and second rows. It was insanely good referring to both the concert and the fans. So glad I wasn’t in one of these concerts. I do work close to the venue and the Harry Style concert in the same venue had a visible line from my office.
I’ve only been to three concerts. One was all standing but it was for a very small canadian group, and it was great. The last two were kpop ones and i am really grateful both were seated. I was able to get close ish to the stage for both but I appreciated the seated number system. I never really understood what GA was and I genuinely don’t think it was for me. I enjoyed spending the day at the concert venue just hanging out, and even then I thought people being there at 7 am was so early (especially since we all had numbered seats?? So i guess it was more for the soundcheck). I can’t even imagine camping for days/weeks/months willingly like this - so i guess good luck to anyone who does please stay safe.
As someone who's pretty badly disabled, I would kill to be able to go to a concert at least once in my life. The only thing stopping me is that every. single. venue my favourite bands/artists have gone to around me have been standing only (in the UK), and all the ones I've contacted about accessiblity have ghosted me (even had an artist I like offer to reach out on my behalf about it, and they never got back to me either lmao).
Is it a bit selfish to want pits to at least somewhat go just so I could have a chance to find a seated concert? a little, but I really don't see any other way it'd happen.
reminds me of when harry styles went on tour, i wasnt able to get tickets, so i camped out for 17 hours with a hurricane warning just ti hear him outside the venue.. thank god one of harrys crew heard my story then came and brought me backstage to watch i love life
I saw phoebe bridgers in toronto and it was a WHOLE MESS people left full tents behind meanwhile I got there a couple hours before and had a lovely time