No Terran should be complaining about Zerg spellcasters before masters league. At higher levels, Zerg spellcasters are monstrously strong, but 3.4k is not there
@@wolfclaw3812 Well they are good at all levels but this game he could have won in 20 different ways. Make 6 vikings, win. Position tanks and do ONE half decent push, win. Up to 4k MMR you can almost A-move tanks/thors/hellbats in one big 200 supply army into a Zerg and he won't be able to hold it.
@@l.a.w.5738 I say they're not good at lower levels because of lower level players' tendency to a-move their expensive, squishy, and powerful units directly into the enemy, as well as not casting a single spell from popping out of the larva to dying on the other side of the map.
@@mothrahlurker788 Legit yo... harstems ranting though... actually OP Terrans need a trophy for everything. So you didn't get supply blocked for 2 minutes. Good job Mr. Terran 🤣
Just woke up and was headed to work when I saw a TH-cam notification that Harstem uploaded a new IODIS video and what do you know, my submission from a couple of weeks ago was published.😂 In all honesty tho, your criticism is what I needed because it’s giving me the points to improve on. For some additional context, I was a rank Masters Protoss back in HOTS but only started playing ladder again 2 months ago. Made the switch to Terran and perhaps that can help explain my poor BO’s because I’m still working on them. Been watching a lot of your videos and love it when you off race as Terran. I actually learned that unit movement of splitting cyclones/Helions from you so thank you. I’ve also subsequently started to park tanks in my natural and third as defensive units and ghosts are definitely a mainstay now too. Love your content and hope to submit more IODIS videos for learning points in future.😉
Lower ranked Diamond here, I play Random so I've been on both sides of T and Z. With my subpar control Vipers (and infestors too) seem impossible to keep alive; I throw out one spell and they get hit by a volley and die. I feel like it takes GM control to use viper-infestor properly, and of course, Ghosts are super strong and annoyingly hard to kill for zergs.
Harstem's banter is for shits and giggles. What most people don't seem to understand is that they get a free (albeit a little harsh) coaching session from a pro player with infinite knowledge of the game. Good on you for not getting salty :D But no, Vipers are not imba :D I'd even argue that him getting vipers and the investment that he put into it was good for you. Vipers are 100minerals/200gas/3s each. Only that is a huge investment. And then he built i think 4 evo chambers to be able to afk drain without losing any buildings he cares about. 4 drones (50x4=200minerals) 4 evos (75x4=300minerals). That's like an investment of at least 1500 minerals + 2000 gas just to have those 10 or something vipers that he made during the entire game. I don't think they added even close to that in damage to you. Anyway, keep climbing the ladder! And don't forget to build ghosts. ;) It would've countered everything he built the entire game because GHOSTS are actually what's OP in this matchup. ;)
Classic line: "We tried nothing, and now we're all out of ideas." also if he just takes it as it goes and doesn't have seventeen notebooks of builds, then he's be a Toss main, not Terran, I feel you miscalculated.
I play zerg, but I swapped to Terran for a day and still beat other diamond players on their main race while using no build, just intuition. It made me question my whole life because I was winning even though I was extremely clunky with the macro and control of my units. It made me wish I enjoyed playing them. 1000 options for harassment and orbital commands act as noob crutch making it so easy. 😫
That's why I play Terrran. Everything goes kaboom, magic robots from the sky give me money and if I forgot to summon them then it actually is a good thing as enemy just wanted to be sneaky with his invisible units. Though I can't play Zerg, I'm way too greedy, Terran gamestyle is more streamlined. Built barracs, make units ouf it constantly, make cc, build SCs etc. With Zerg there is too much freedom and I constantly either overbuilt army that wasn't able to do much or usually I was dying when I was making even more drones at the moment xD
I cant bio for the life of me cause I can’t split my marines against those banelings!! Hence I end up playing mech as it doesn’t punish non splits as much hahaha
PSA - Because some of you need it: The reason Terran is down 17 workers @6 minutes isn't because of the larva mechanic. It's because he has idle CCs. Terran can easily have 60-66 workers by 6 minutes with a triple CC opener.
@@xitaris5981 mostly because the Zerg got way too defensive and passive (and actually hurt himself with Vipers), not to mention the army composition wasn't necessarily the best against mech
After a terrible start, he somehow creates a lead for himself around ~13 minutes in both worker count and supply. It's going to be crazy to see how he manages to throw this lead away. Edit: that was a master class of You Suck. It's like his subconscious knew he never deserved the advantage because of his shitty start so it forced him to hand it back to his opponent in spectacular fashion. If this isn't proof that any average player can make it to diamond by just mastering macro fundamentals, I don't know what is
He only thought vipers were OP in that last second where he lost all his remaining tank while being supply blocked at 69 pop. This means he actually thought game was even until that point and vipers were the victory condition xD There REALLY is something wrong in TvZ match up if terrans can think like this.
not only that, but it auto casts. No zerg spell autocasts, most terran spells do. Yes I know a few zergs do, like banelings, but you actually can't use the autocast at a high level.
@@edd8914 yeah, this is so stupid that you can't even set it to autocast. I think pros wouldn't, but for sure I would, especially after the early game.
Low tier rage bait, can’t believe harstem would even think to compare ducks’ intelligence to that of mech players, I’m insulted for the absolutely quacked geniuses
@@ZeCroiSSanT950 It looks that way, but it's actually equal intelligence. You are both just mashing units together, it's just that your terran units are much superior.
Hey captain, I had a killer opener one game, where I walked 7 of my scvs into the protoss's base and killed 3 of his workers (but mostly denying his mining time and delaying natural), and then used that opener to transition into my 8 barracks production (It feels like something uthermal would do), and for the early game, I had the protoss wrapped around my finger- harassing him one base at a time. I killed at least 9 probes, but when I decided to attack his main at 13 minutes, he had a few too many photon cannons and batteries and shredded my poor soldiers. I remade the army (I had lots of money because I had 3 bases by now), and then decided to get combat shield finally since I think that's why the cannons were so effective. So I do a little edge harassment again, but then when I decide to finally make a push, he had made 3 high templar, and stormed my entire army. The only conclusion I can come up with is that High Templar are OP, and bio terran is a worthless comp when all they need to do is make a single unit. Is it IMBA or Do I suck
Hey give him some credit! He gained a substantial lead by the 13 minute mark that he didn't deserve and then he skillfully threw it away like a mother f'ing champion!
🤣 I'm just imagining the opponent that let's you survive 24 minutes while floating 50k resources. At least match making seemed to do its job well for once (too bad it's hypothetical)
@@Kilesfactor I support using f2 until Plat 1. If you're managing your army too much before diamond, you're spending your mental energy on the wrong stuff. Source: I used f2 exclusively except for production buildings and the occasional important unit until I hit diamond
I wonder if a good coaching strategy would be to have two players play against each other and pause the game every three minutes or so and have them write down their thoughts. You wouldn't prompt them or anything, but you'd have them quicklly type out what their thought process is. It wouldn't be good for mechanics, but it would get players in the habit of thinking about forming a plan and reacting in the game.
Imagine taking triple CC, receiving zero damage, and still being down 17 workers @6 minutes while thinking you haven't screwed up you macro. Do you seriously think zerg larva mechanics are that broken? Just watch any Terran pro and you'll realize you're the problem, not larva mechanics
Again an innocent unit gets accused of being imba when the real reason he lost is zero defense on his main thus losing the base trade and with it the game. #Justicefortheviper
Mistake in the video the - on the -5 on the unit control on the individual score section at the end wasn't visible. Cheers Edit: I guess the points came from the successful attacks and getting into a winning position but like Captain said, purely luck that 2 lings didn't destroy him. One control group, not a single liberator siege, anti-spread tanks, running up ramps into lurkers, the 'good' moves were just a moves and then hitting siege and half the sieges were awful
Personally, I feel like viper are almost useless below master or grandmaster level. Im diamond zerg player in EU and its completly impossible for me to micro them properly - they are flying fast unit that dies to everything and before u can use them u need to spend attention just to give them energy. I dont have big troublers microing infestors or other spell casters like high templars when I play off race, but man... Microing vipers is hard XDDD
This can be applied to most spell casters. Most people in diamond and below can't control them and end up hurting themselves more than their opponent when they try I can't tell you how many times I've seen diamond players lose 4-6 HT after casting 2-3 storms.
Yknow the thing I like about playing that battlemech style comp is it's very easy to put all your money to work. Truly impressive seeing a guy playing Cyclones/tanks build up a bank like that.
I feel like this guy is one those players that has an idea of how he wants to win in his mind and anything thing that counters it is unfair and unbalanced.
If you don't submit a video to iodis: If you're not in high diamond, then just watching your worker count and supply count at set intervals will go a long way. In use 4,6, and 8 minutes as constant reference points for every game. Then pick a build that you see a pro use and try to get your worker count and supply count as close to there's as possible. That's how I got to diamond from Gold 3 with almost no scout, no micro
Exactly that the T got so insanely close to winning with just cyclones, tanks and hellions being a-moved and sometimes split off makes me so mad sometimes for T's still whining about zerg. If zerg could win every game just by massing hydras and perhaps a few lings, everyone would be livid and zerg still would have to balance out worker vs. army production in comparison...
To rephrase: The ability of zerg players to build many different types of units and use spells when terrans can't do shit is completely imbalanced! Bro can't even push T, he has to play mech.
Terran builds auto-cast units, does everything wrong, gets ahead. This game is so imbalanced. Zergs might not be automatically better, but they get better because they have to build vipers to counter the most basic terran shit. I think in general, a lot of "good" players got intimidated by how hard zerg is, and pick terran or protoss, and thus zerg has the highest skill players by far, and despite that, are still way underrepresented at the top.
Harstem is often so hard on terran's and he's only wrong because he doesn't take it far enough. Terrans are so much worse than zergs at the same level, it's completely ridiculous. I still watch IODIS, but I quit watching high level games. It's so imbalanced it's unwatchable. I realize some people are low IQ and don't see it, and they can get impressed by terrans pushing T to beat literally anything.
@@benismann sort of, but they are not even at the top level if terran doesn't have to do as much to win. i.e. build a raven, protect SCVs, scout and build counters. Also, I'm just rephrasing the complaint here, that is all.
That's cap below masters. If you rewatch the video, you'll see he gains a big lead ~13 minutes (by some miracle after that horrible start) and then some how comely l completely throws it away and loses the game before spell casters even make a big impact. He lost several minutes before he surrenders because he doesn't realize how far behind he was - and vipers had nothing to do with that
@@benismannyeah ghosts might have helped his deficit but so would not having the deficit in the first place. People putting an emphasis on units that require high micro when they’re already failing their macro isn’t helping as much as they think.
I agree that the viper is imba, but specifically the co-op version whose blinding cloud is larger, slows units under it, and prevents spellcasting. Hate those things.
I love the anti-terran rants. Part of why I love this game is the collective personalities that form around the races and the crap-talking between them. "Terran players are like this, zerg players are like that" etc
Can confirm. I had a 40-50% winrate against my friend on my main, but I swapped to Terran and had an 80% winrate. I suck at Terran (and Protoss). We're both diamond.
Except Protoss frequently have outsized share of GM players in all regions... I guess I've never heard the adage because I don't frequent protoss therapy sessions
Omg i was thinking for so long : "how tf zerg suppose to beat mech terran with his tanks and thors? Is it imba?" And this dude just told the answear. Viper, why tf i am forgeting about it, i builded it to counter them everytime, wtf is wrong with me loool.
how am i supposed to beat bio terran with tanks when they can actually spread them.... now that's the real question. and a bit less of a real question - how do u beat tanks? I suck, i didnt even play ranked yet, just some matches against my terran friend who actually knows something about the game, and it just doesnt look possible. Marines shut down everything that could feasibly hurt tanks, and tanks shut down everything else and then some (i mean, they do have splash to kill those lings that aren't even making it to tanks coz marines exist)... and im not even taking into account medivacs yet.
@@benismann Blinding clouds against tanks, and fungal against marines, use your casters, tanks are INSANELLY vulnerable to Vipers, and i think they die even before they can land a shot when pulled. Now yes, marines can stim to snipe your viper, but that is usually very costly to their health. It will either requare small group, that then can be sniped with fungal, or bigger group, that is even at higher risk, and may not even trade that good. Tanks are expensive and supply heavy, so usually there arent insane ammount of them. So few abducts, or blinding clouds will help. Besides, blinding cloud will save you from marines as well! I builded them on auto, just to get some stuff to deal with his stuff, and it never clicked how i were dealing with tanks this whole time, i just putted blinding clouds on tanks, and sometimes marines, then lings running in and getting everyone, while i am placing fungal on groups of marines and updating cloud. If i remember correctly, Cloud also blinds your ranged units, but i think every zerg unit can attack in meelee, and will just walk into close combat. So dont forget to reapply cloud on tanks. If Thrors will get into battlefield, abduct them! And dont forget to put your spare minerals not only in macro hatcherys, but also Queens! They are really strong, even without using abilitys, think they have like 1 base armor, and pretty good, besides awfull speed.
As much as one can critisize the Terran i think the reason the game was relatively even is that we have one of those Zerg that can play near perfect as long as the opponent isnt involved. The moment the first Terran attack happens you can see the Zergs control falling appart.
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Probably a team player that will win with the cyclone/he'll tank because of how the meta works in team but doesn't play proper starcraft late game in 1s.. he just needs to practice 1s more.. like you said, a little defence at exterior bases and more practice multitasking when things get chaotic. I thought his beginning was actually better then what you did, he's just not a closer in 1s yet
I continue to be amazed at how a Terran could start so badly economically, behind on upgrades, and playing against a better unit comp, and STILL stumble his way to a large advantage. Does Zerg really need to play like two ranks higher than a Terran on the ladder just to have a decent chance at winning?
I haven't watched, but a mere diamond player complaining about a spell caster? I can predict the "You Suck" without watching the video. I'm in diamond and ½ my opponents start screwing up their fundamentals the second they start microing even basic units, let alone spell casters. They're still hurting themselves as much as their opponent when they try to micro. You can get to diamond with no scout, no micro with every race because plat and below don't realize that Macro Is King. Even if you like using cheese or timing attack strategies. Diamond is when you should start getting a vague recollection that spell casters exist and consider incorporating them into your army comp _after_ you start to master the basics of micro. Not when you should have all the spell caster counters mastered.
Oh god please don’t encourage this >.< the one saving grace of a Terran who goes mech is they think they can’t make ghosts. Once they have like ghost + Thor with a few tanks or libs I’m in nightmare land
I know what patch terrains want. Perfect all zerg units so that as soon as they come in range of any terrain fighting unit they automatically explode like a baling. We could sell this nerf as though it is somehow good...😆
i need to ask those in the comments or harstem if you read this has it ever been IMBA or do they all suck if one was ever IMBA a link would be awesome thanks to any replies in advance
I don't have a link but I recall a pro sent in an iodis and Harstem called it imba, but the complaint was rather specific and it was irrelevant after the next patch
Honestly I don’t have the APM to manage both that split off army and defend my main.. That’s why I control shift clicked into the natural. I did however scan to see one lurker and I honestly thought I could take it but was surprised at the damage output from that single lurker. Should have gone straight to the third instead…
It was 3 base vs 4 base as zerg and he just a-moved and pressed one button with lurkers. No wonder a protoss peanut brain can't realize why this is imbalanced since they're used to a-moving and winning while doing everything wrong... Either way this terran was awful for going cyclone mech in the first place, but for how the zerg played, he still deserved to win.
Nope i am terran i dont think viper is imbalance from this video i understand reason of viper in late game to change zerg poor efficiency in somehow eual trading , and i using more than one group for units .. dont be bad on terran player in the end you are Terran not prottos cause you was born on Tera not on Aiur LOL.Terran player lose that game in that base trade sadly he lost all production and that was reason of his loss not vipers if he fly buildings and or remake production he will win or if he build atleast 10 viking for vipers, also he stay on cyclones too long ...
ugh,. that was hard to watch,.. it felt like terran was taking on a threat way out of his league,.. those liberators at the end ,..why ? di he forget how they siege,..ugh,. sorry mamba,.. you suck,.. then blinding cloud is not why you lost,.
whenever I see a Terran complain about a spellcaster, I just know he won't have any Ghosts.
this is true lol
To be fair, he lost the game before spell casters made a significant impact - he just didn't realize it yet.
No Terran should be complaining about Zerg spellcasters before masters league. At higher levels, Zerg spellcasters are monstrously strong, but 3.4k is not there
@@wolfclaw3812 Well they are good at all levels but this game he could have won in 20 different ways. Make 6 vikings, win. Position tanks and do ONE half decent push, win. Up to 4k MMR you can almost A-move tanks/thors/hellbats in one big 200 supply army into a Zerg and he won't be able to hold it.
@@l.a.w.5738 I say they're not good at lower levels because of lower level players' tendency to a-move their expensive, squishy, and powerful units directly into the enemy, as well as not casting a single spell from popping out of the larva to dying on the other side of the map.
Is It IMBA Or Do I Duck*?
Duckiest man alive.
I definitely ducked in that game
*Quack
Hahahaha
"Quack." -Shadowmamba apparently.
Zerg: 111 army supply
Terran: 38 army supply
Zerg: wins
Terran: yeah, definitely imba
The implicit contract of Terran-like races in rts: if I lose, it’s imba
And it isn't roach supply, it has lurker and viper even. The guy is actually complaining about losing to 4 times more armyvalue.
@@mothrahlurker788 Legit yo... harstems ranting though... actually OP
Terrans need a trophy for everything. So you didn't get supply blocked for 2 minutes. Good job Mr. Terran 🤣
Just woke up and was headed to work when I saw a TH-cam notification that Harstem uploaded a new IODIS video and what do you know, my submission from a couple of weeks ago was published.😂
In all honesty tho, your criticism is what I needed because it’s giving me the points to improve on.
For some additional context, I was a rank Masters Protoss back in HOTS but only started playing ladder again 2 months ago. Made the switch to Terran and perhaps that can help explain my poor BO’s because I’m still working on them.
Been watching a lot of your videos and love it when you off race as Terran. I actually learned that unit movement of splitting cyclones/Helions from you so thank you.
I’ve also subsequently started to park tanks in my natural and third as defensive units and ghosts are definitely a mainstay now too.
Love your content and hope to submit more IODIS videos for learning points in future.😉
Lower ranked Diamond here, I play Random so I've been on both sides of T and Z. With my subpar control Vipers (and infestors too) seem impossible to keep alive; I throw out one spell and they get hit by a volley and die. I feel like it takes GM control to use viper-infestor properly, and of course, Ghosts are super strong and annoyingly hard to kill for zergs.
Harstem's banter is for shits and giggles. What most people don't seem to understand is that they get a free (albeit a little harsh) coaching session from a pro player with infinite knowledge of the game. Good on you for not getting salty :D
But no, Vipers are not imba :D I'd even argue that him getting vipers and the investment that he put into it was good for you. Vipers are 100minerals/200gas/3s each. Only that is a huge investment. And then he built i think 4 evo chambers to be able to afk drain without losing any buildings he cares about. 4 drones (50x4=200minerals) 4 evos (75x4=300minerals). That's like an investment of at least 1500 minerals + 2000 gas just to have those 10 or something vipers that he made during the entire game. I don't think they added even close to that in damage to you.
Anyway, keep climbing the ladder! And don't forget to build ghosts. ;) It would've countered everything he built the entire game because GHOSTS are actually what's OP in this matchup. ;)
Good on you for taking the roast in stride. Git gud and good luck
You already know how to complain like a terran, you're halfway there lol
Discard your Duck genes immediatly. Seek not bread or something.
Classic line: "We tried nothing, and now we're all out of ideas."
also if he just takes it as it goes and doesn't have seventeen notebooks of builds, then he's be a Toss main, not Terran, I feel you miscalculated.
I play zerg, but I swapped to Terran for a day and still beat other diamond players on their main race while using no build, just intuition. It made me question my whole life because I was winning even though I was extremely clunky with the macro and control of my units. It made me wish I enjoyed playing them.
1000 options for harassment and orbital commands act as noob crutch making it so easy. 😫
That's why I play Terrran. Everything goes kaboom, magic robots from the sky give me money and if I forgot to summon them then it actually is a good thing as enemy just wanted to be sneaky with his invisible units.
Though I can't play Zerg, I'm way too greedy, Terran gamestyle is more streamlined. Built barracs, make units ouf it constantly, make cc, build SCs etc. With Zerg there is too much freedom and I constantly either overbuilt army that wasn't able to do much or usually I was dying when I was making even more drones at the moment xD
As a Diamond Bio Player who can sometimes play Mech (Mainly Thor/Hellbat/Siege Tank)
I can confirm, I am less intelligent then a rubber ducky
as a rubber ducky myself (Silver Terran)... this gives me too much hope.
Diamond players are like bodybuilders in MMA. They look good until the fight starts.
You misidentify, diamond players are the ring girls@@Jordan-Ramses
I cant bio for the life of me cause I can’t split my marines against those banelings!!
Hence I end up playing mech as it doesn’t punish non splits as much hahaha
@@BatkoNashBandera774as a diamond toss, I can confirm
PSA - Because some of you need it:
The reason Terran is down 17 workers @6 minutes isn't because of the larva mechanic. It's because he has idle CCs.
Terran can easily have 60-66 workers by 6 minutes with a triple CC opener.
The side video corroborating Harstem's explanation of blinding cloud mechanics is beautiful. Top tier editing
I like how "even going into the mid" was 20 workers behind, up 6 army supply, and down a whole bunch of tech
At ~13 minutes he gets a significant lead.. by some miracle after his terrible start
When I was talking about the mid game I was talking about that period around 8 mins onwards but I guess that’s not mid?
Mid-game is from 5 or??
It’s how terran works
@@xitaris5981 mostly because the Zerg got way too defensive and passive (and actually hurt himself with Vipers), not to mention the army composition wasn't necessarily the best against mech
Quacking me up with this one
The word "relatively" does a lot of work in that sentence. :D
“This is like complimenting someone on managing to step out of the bed this morning without killing themselves” had me laughing so hard
To be fair, that's quite a feat for some people.
Failed title: "Is it IMBA or do I DUCK"?
After a terrible start, he somehow creates a lead for himself around ~13 minutes in both worker count and supply. It's going to be crazy to see how he manages to throw this lead away. Edit: that was a master class of You Suck. It's like his subconscious knew he never deserved the advantage because of his shitty start so it forced him to hand it back to his opponent in spectacular fashion.
If this isn't proof that any average player can make it to diamond by just mastering macro fundamentals, I don't know what is
i suppose terran is an easier race to start with, coz zerg played a lot better at the start, but then kinda died :
He only thought vipers were OP in that last second where he lost all his remaining tank while being supply blocked at 69 pop. This means he actually thought game was even until that point and vipers were the victory condition xD There REALLY is something wrong in TvZ match up if terrans can think like this.
I feel educated on the blinding cloud mines/lock on. I didn't know that. Which just proves imba series to be fun and educational.
not only that, but it auto casts. No zerg spell autocasts, most terran spells do. Yes I know a few zergs do, like banelings, but you actually can't use the autocast at a high level.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jdSometimes I wish Queen injects and/or heals would auto cast.
@@edd8914 yeah, this is so stupid that you can't even set it to autocast. I think pros wouldn't, but for sure I would, especially after the early game.
petition to make the iodis form in dark mode / not as bright
Sign my name in, good sir!
Seconded!
Even just a light gray or slightly yellowed like old paper would be a nice lil touch to make it less bright
and my axe
Agree
Low tier rage bait, can’t believe harstem would even think to compare ducks’ intelligence to that of mech players, I’m insulted for the absolutely quacked geniuses
Ducks are pretty bad though.
The zergs that run into my tank-hellbat-thor comp with roach ravager hydra are dumber. :)
@@ZeCroiSSanT950 It looks that way, but it's actually equal intelligence. You are both just mashing units together, it's just that your terran units are much superior.
Hey captain, I had a killer opener one game, where I walked 7 of my scvs into the protoss's base and killed 3 of his workers (but mostly denying his mining time and delaying natural), and then used that opener to transition into my 8 barracks production (It feels like something uthermal would do), and for the early game, I had the protoss wrapped around my finger- harassing him one base at a time. I killed at least 9 probes, but when I decided to attack his main at 13 minutes, he had a few too many photon cannons and batteries and shredded my poor soldiers. I remade the army (I had lots of money because I had 3 bases by now), and then decided to get combat shield finally since I think that's why the cannons were so effective. So I do a little edge harassment again, but then when I decide to finally make a push, he had made 3 high templar, and stormed my entire army. The only conclusion I can come up with is that High Templar are OP, and bio terran is a worthless comp when all they need to do is make a single unit.
Is it IMBA or Do I suck
🤣 I feel like this is A-tier trolling, but I also feel like you never know with the internet - someone might say this seriously
so basically by the 3min mark we have our answer lmfao
its always the terrans that cry the absolute most when doing the absolute least.
Hey give him some credit! He gained a substantial lead by the 13 minute mark that he didn't deserve and then he skillfully threw it away like a mother f'ing champion!
I can’t even play like this. I usually am eating pretzels while having my side of guac , while also floating 50k resources at 24 minutes (mid-game).
🤣 I'm just imagining the opponent that let's you survive 24 minutes while floating 50k resources. At least match making seemed to do its job well for once (too bad it's hypothetical)
@@xitaris5981 24 minutes is mid-game in NA Bronze.
@@Kilesfactor bronze is where the real heroes are
@@stofsk only thing I’m a hero at is at f2 a moving and quitting when I get attacked before 10 minutes.
@@Kilesfactor I support using f2 until Plat 1. If you're managing your army too much before diamond, you're spending your mental energy on the wrong stuff.
Source: I used f2 exclusively except for production buildings and the occasional important unit until I hit diamond
I wonder if a good coaching strategy would be to have two players play against each other and pause the game every three minutes or so and have them write down their thoughts. You wouldn't prompt them or anything, but you'd have them quicklly type out what their thought process is. It wouldn't be good for mechanics, but it would get players in the habit of thinking about forming a plan and reacting in the game.
Stuff will always be op if you don't have the counter to it, that's kinda the point. It's like playing only rock and saying paper is op.
Imagine taking triple CC, receiving zero damage, and still being down 17 workers @6 minutes while thinking you haven't screwed up you macro.
Do you seriously think zerg larva mechanics are that broken? Just watch any Terran pro and you'll realize you're the problem, not larva mechanics
Again an innocent unit gets accused of being imba when the real reason he lost is zero defense on his main thus losing the base trade and with it the game. #Justicefortheviper
I'd like to give the player a shout-out for analyzing their own replay before submitting it.
That should be the bare minimum, but unfortunately it's obvious that some people submit with without doing it 😒
Mistake in the video the - on the -5 on the unit control on the individual score section at the end wasn't visible.
Cheers
Edit: I guess the points came from the successful attacks and getting into a winning position but like Captain said, purely luck that 2 lings didn't destroy him. One control group, not a single liberator siege, anti-spread tanks, running up ramps into lurkers, the 'good' moves were just a moves and then hitting siege and half the sieges were awful
Personally, I feel like viper are almost useless below master or grandmaster level. Im diamond zerg player in EU and its completly impossible for me to micro them properly - they are flying fast unit that dies to everything and before u can use them u need to spend attention just to give them energy. I dont have big troublers microing infestors or other spell casters like high templars when I play off race, but man... Microing vipers is hard XDDD
This can be applied to most spell casters.
Most people in diamond and below can't control them and end up hurting themselves more than their opponent when they try
I can't tell you how many times I've seen diamond players lose 4-6 HT after casting 2-3 storms.
“On the scale from duck to squirrel, you’re to the left of the duck!” Is my new favorite insult.
I come for the lessons and gameplay notes, I stay for Harstem’s A-tier metaphors and anecdotes
As someone who speaks Dutch I can confirm "the spine of a teabag" is not a Dutch saying... yet
Yknow the thing I like about playing that battlemech style comp is it's very easy to put all your money to work. Truly impressive seeing a guy playing Cyclones/tanks build up a bank like that.
I feel like this guy is one those players that has an idea of how he wants to win in his mind and anything thing that counters it is unfair and unbalanced.
Lol, vipers did maybe 1% of work😂
What a roasting! Fantastic episode! Terran had some good two-prong moves though :D
You know, I know I suck, but i kinda want to see Harstem roast me to figure out where i can improve.
If you don't submit a video to iodis:
If you're not in high diamond, then just watching your worker count and supply count at set intervals will go a long way. In use 4,6, and 8 minutes as constant reference points for every game.
Then pick a build that you see a pro use and try to get your worker count and supply count as close to there's as possible.
That's how I got to diamond from Gold 3 with almost no scout, no micro
That’s what I did for this video.
Exactly that the T got so insanely close to winning with just cyclones, tanks and hellions being a-moved and sometimes split off makes me so mad sometimes for T's still whining about zerg. If zerg could win every game just by massing hydras and perhaps a few lings, everyone would be livid and zerg still would have to balance out worker vs. army production in comparison...
To rephrase: The ability of zerg players to build many different types of units and use spells when terrans can't do shit is completely imbalanced! Bro can't even push T, he has to play mech.
Terran builds auto-cast units, does everything wrong, gets ahead. This game is so imbalanced. Zergs might not be automatically better, but they get better because they have to build vipers to counter the most basic terran shit. I think in general, a lot of "good" players got intimidated by how hard zerg is, and pick terran or protoss, and thus zerg has the highest skill players by far, and despite that, are still way underrepresented at the top.
Harstem is often so hard on terran's and he's only wrong because he doesn't take it far enough. Terrans are so much worse than zergs at the same level, it's completely ridiculous. I still watch IODIS, but I quit watching high level games. It's so imbalanced it's unwatchable. I realize some people are low IQ and don't see it, and they can get impressed by terrans pushing T to beat literally anything.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd but then on the highest level terran and zerg are roughly even. Which means that zerg just has a steeper learning curve
@@benismann sort of, but they are not even at the top level if terran doesn't have to do as much to win. i.e. build a raven, protect SCVs, scout and build counters. Also, I'm just rephrasing the complaint here, that is all.
I have seen multiple people joke about how they can't do math throughout multiple games, but your "this is so sad" made me laugh
I love this series SO Much Kev. Even though you don't give a fuq, thank you homie
I think the only Imbalanced unit is the ghost, but at least you need some skill to use it right.
IODIS is such a great series, especially when Hamster puts in some funny stuff :)
Ghost is basically necessary to fight against zerg\protoss as soon as they have late game tech, winning without ghost is difficult
At this level, more viking/ liberator would have countered 90% of that army
That's cap below masters.
If you rewatch the video, you'll see he gains a big lead ~13 minutes (by some miracle after that horrible start) and then some how comely l completely throws it away and loses the game before spell casters even make a big impact.
He lost several minutes before he surrenders because he doesn't realize how far behind he was - and vipers had nothing to do with that
@@tomdabomb999 just more of the same unit and actually attacking would've won the game
@@benismannyeah ghosts might have helped his deficit but so would not having the deficit in the first place.
People putting an emphasis on units that require high micro when they’re already failing their macro isn’t helping as much as they think.
Bro lost the game before vipers even affected the game
I agree that the viper is imba, but specifically the co-op version whose blinding cloud is larger, slows units under it, and prevents spellcasting. Hate those things.
holy shit that anticipation scale 🤣. also backed up a bit and still damn curious why and who squirrel and keith patrick gill lol. hamster?
I love the anti-terran rants. Part of why I love this game is the collective personalities that form around the races and the crap-talking between them. "Terran players are like this, zerg players are like that" etc
IODIS from Terran? Is a "Must See", there will be guaranteed race-rant from our dear Captain :D.
Harstem idk if you read comments, but if you do - You are amazing guy, keep the good stuff up, pure fun to watch your stuff
I’m a Duck and I do indeed Duck at this game
All this does is further show how broken and easy Terran is to play.
Can confirm. I had a 40-50% winrate against my friend on my main, but I swapped to Terran and had an 80% winrate.
I suck at Terran (and Protoss).
We're both diamond.
Textbook terran player, fucks up wildly across the entire game and still complains about balance, impressive
the old addage remains true, terrain beats zerg easily. zerg beats protoss easily and
protoss beats no one
Except Protoss frequently have outsized share of GM players in all regions...
I guess I've never heard the adage because I don't frequent protoss therapy sessions
@@xitaris5981 dont lie! you watch the captain regularly!
@@trixmtll1393 not regularly enough I guess
That's a nice pic of a duck
One day I will send a complaint form with: I suck.
"the pvt balance is poor" was so funny last time
5/7 second best unit control movement i've seen
Omg i was thinking for so long : "how tf zerg suppose to beat mech terran with his tanks and thors? Is it imba?" And this dude just told the answear. Viper, why tf i am forgeting about it, i builded it to counter them everytime, wtf is wrong with me loool.
how am i supposed to beat bio terran with tanks when they can actually spread them.... now that's the real question.
and a bit less of a real question - how do u beat tanks? I suck, i didnt even play ranked yet, just some matches against my terran friend who actually knows something about the game, and it just doesnt look possible. Marines shut down everything that could feasibly hurt tanks, and tanks shut down everything else and then some (i mean, they do have splash to kill those lings that aren't even making it to tanks coz marines exist)... and im not even taking into account medivacs yet.
@@benismann Blinding clouds against tanks, and fungal against marines, use your casters, tanks are INSANELLY vulnerable to Vipers, and i think they die even before they can land a shot when pulled. Now yes, marines can stim to snipe your viper, but that is usually very costly to their health. It will either requare small group, that then can be sniped with fungal, or bigger group, that is even at higher risk, and may not even trade that good. Tanks are expensive and supply heavy, so usually there arent insane ammount of them. So few abducts, or blinding clouds will help. Besides, blinding cloud will save you from marines as well!
I builded them on auto, just to get some stuff to deal with his stuff, and it never clicked how i were dealing with tanks this whole time, i just putted blinding clouds on tanks, and sometimes marines, then lings running in and getting everyone, while i am placing fungal on groups of marines and updating cloud. If i remember correctly, Cloud also blinds your ranged units, but i think every zerg unit can attack in meelee, and will just walk into close combat. So dont forget to reapply cloud on tanks.
If Thrors will get into battlefield, abduct them! And dont forget to put your spare minerals not only in macro hatcherys, but also Queens! They are really strong, even without using abilitys, think they have like 1 base armor, and pretty good, besides awfull speed.
As much as one can critisize the Terran i think the reason the game was relatively even is that
we have one of those Zerg that can play near perfect as long as the opponent isnt involved.
The moment the first Terran attack happens you can see the Zergs control falling appart.
Dear Kevin,
There's a commodore game called 'apple cart' where you set the price of an apple and it shows you how many you sell. It's back in the day of Oregon trail.
I recommend you sell your apples for $1. You will HIGHLY likely sell more apples my friend.
HINT, I would buy one today
Whines about vipers after failing to build the best spellcaster in the game. Love it, the moistest of tears.
Whines about vipers when he lost the game before they made an impact
@@xitaris5981 that's after killing like 10 of them lol
How did Terran lose? He had Hi Sec Auto Tracking at 12 minutes.
no stamp sound and no stamp :( i miss that so much! :D
3:51 you mean like macroman's build?
is it imba or I duck?
I've played this llllllll before! He must have multiple accounts!
an IODIS midweek I LOVE IT!!!!!
DUCK! Definately duck!
Probably a team player that will win with the cyclone/he'll tank because of how the meta works in team but doesn't play proper starcraft late game in 1s.. he just needs to practice 1s more.. like you said, a little defence at exterior bases and more practice multitasking when things get chaotic. I thought his beginning was actually better then what you did, he's just not a closer in 1s yet
I continue to be amazed at how a Terran could start so badly economically, behind on upgrades, and playing against a better unit comp, and STILL stumble his way to a large advantage. Does Zerg really need to play like two ranks higher than a Terran on the ladder just to have a decent chance at winning?
I haven't watched, but a mere diamond player complaining about a spell caster? I can predict the "You Suck" without watching the video.
I'm in diamond and ½ my opponents start screwing up their fundamentals the second they start microing even basic units, let alone spell casters. They're still hurting themselves as much as their opponent when they try to micro.
You can get to diamond with no scout, no micro with every race because plat and below don't realize that Macro Is King. Even if you like using cheese or timing attack strategies. Diamond is when you should start getting a vague recollection that spell casters exist and consider incorporating them into your army comp _after_ you start to master the basics of micro. Not when you should have all the spell caster counters mastered.
THNX Hamster !
I have immediate respect for a Terran mech player who admits that he should have employed Ghost.
Oh god please don’t encourage this >.< the one saving grace of a Terran who goes mech is they think they can’t make ghosts.
Once they have like ghost + Thor with a few tanks or libs I’m in nightmare land
the word relative is very relative
I know what patch terrains want. Perfect all zerg units so that as soon as they come in range of any terrain fighting unit they automatically explode like a baling. We could sell this nerf as though it is somehow good...😆
Imagine building ghosts or using thors vs vipers
Duckrrans... He makes fun of us... For the last time! (Until new IODIS Terran submit...)
Would had lost to any aggressive build.
Shadow noob mamba, go SC1 and see what do Defiler !!! This is OP UNIT !!! Plague or smoke and ofc. eating zerglings.
>terran
enough said
Thought for sure the verdict was going to be imbalanced in this video, imagine my surprise...
Yes, selecting terran should naturally earn you the win. This is what racial superiority is all about. Comment sponsored by the UED.
i need to ask those in the comments or harstem if you read this has it ever been IMBA or do they all suck if one was ever IMBA a link would be awesome thanks to any replies in advance
I don't have a link but I recall a pro sent in an iodis and Harstem called it imba, but the complaint was rather specific and it was irrelevant after the next patch
cool to know there was at least one@@xitaris5981
We need to talk about the ducks
Why don`t they have defiler??? It would be cool if they started as defiler, and then could be morphed into flying defiler/viper
The Fiper
Get scoudet
:D
Starcraft hard though. Like very dry bread "quack"
16:30 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Honestly I don’t have the APM to manage both that split off army and defend my main..
That’s why I control shift clicked into the natural.
I did however scan to see one lurker and I honestly thought I could take it but was surprised at the damage output from that single lurker. Should have gone straight to the third instead…
At 3400 you dont really need ghosts
4:16 The what theory?
brutal, almost feel bad for mamba
Don’t, I deserve the L cause I just played worse.
Just trying to do better.
@@shadowmambax thats why i said almost :D
TO BE HONEST HERE, i actually think that vipers are a tad bit too strong. Just not in this game.
It was 3 base vs 4 base as zerg and he just a-moved and pressed one button with lurkers. No wonder a protoss peanut brain can't realize why this is imbalanced since they're used to a-moving and winning while doing everything wrong...
Either way this terran was awful for going cyclone mech in the first place, but for how the zerg played, he still deserved to win.
They both duck a lot
didnt know zerg got d-web in sc2 xD
Zero anxiety Terran vs high anxiety Zerg?
Nope i am terran i dont think viper is imbalance from this video i understand reason of viper in late game to change zerg poor efficiency in somehow eual trading , and i using more than one group for units .. dont be bad on terran player in the end you are Terran not prottos cause you was born on Tera not on Aiur LOL.Terran player lose that game in that base trade sadly he lost all production and that was reason of his loss not vipers if he fly buildings and or remake production he will win or if he build atleast 10 viking for vipers, also he stay on cyclones too long ...
Tanks need air cover. Basic strategy
90% of win in sc2 is amount of workets in mid game...
more workers - more win...but more risk to get rushed...ez math
ugh,. that was hard to watch,.. it felt like terran was taking on a threat way out of his league,.. those liberators at the end ,..why ? di he forget how they siege,..ugh,. sorry mamba,.. you suck,.. then blinding cloud is not why you lost,.