"You see, lurkers have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the Persians did indeed have both snipers and nukes in the battle of Thermopylae. They did not have ghosts though.
Make tanks? Check Make Libs? Check Make Ghosts? Check Let those units/spells deal with the lurkers? No Walk the bio that is meant to be protected by the above units from the lurkers INTO the lurkers instead and then complain about it? Hell yea
@@adoi8467 Except that it does significantly more damage to marines which are the bulk of the dps. Why people come up with the dumbes and most ignorant balance whines in the comment section of a series about how balancewhining is usually stupid, is just so weird.
@@mothrahlurker788 yeah, so we have a 300/200/6 (+150/150 necessary range upgrade) unit that excels in killing marines and sucks in absolutely everything else, like dying to literally two (2x 100/25/2) marauders. And you say comparing it to tanks and lurkers (a super mobile and easy to use unit, a bunch of which can 1-2 shot entire armies consisting of archons, thors and immortals) is whinning and stupid. Gr8 design, balanced af, 4/7.
@@mothrahlurker788 lmao, notice how you say that as if a tier 3 AOE siege unit killing tier 1 mass-able units is a feature when it's suppose to be a GIVEN.
neither tanks or lurkers beat an archon immortal army unless you are engaging like the guy in the video. Also the colossus is way more mobile than tanks and lurkers because they don't need to siege (plus they have the bonus of walking up and down cliffs, but that doesn't matter much). Stop being delusional and get good.
As someone who also loses their mind whenever an engagement happens and trades horrifically, I felt this IODIS in my soul. Rest in peace macro brotha, rest in peace.
This game seemed impossible to lose. The best part is he scanned ahead and saw the lurkers and still moved in the way he did. He could've still sniped the lurkers from the artificial mineral choke, or used medivacs to move his army anywhere else, or outranged the lurkers with his siege tanks, or... This is wild. I feel like this macro is masters level but the control is worse than stuff I've seen in platinum. Kenobi still won the game like 5 times, this really is an incredible video. I do really appreciate the map-based imba claim and would like to see more of them. The new maps seem experimental in a lot of ways and probably have an exploit or two... But this ain't it.
I haven't played SC2 in 5-7 years, but I once was at the boundary between Diamond and Masters. I think his army control was Gold League, his macro was Diamond/Masters, and his build order honing was high Diamond/Masters.
They lost tactically, won strategically. The goal was to delay the Persian army enough to allow Athens to prepare for a siege. They did that, also inflicted high losses on the persian elite soldiers and significantly impacted the persian morale. Greece won that war.
@@CZProttonNo they just flat out lost. The plan was to defeat the Persians using the area to their advantage. However once it was clear that could not be done, everyone but the Spartans and some others held the line while the rest retreated. The movie 300 is... Less than accurate to be generous.
@@LordMephilis The movie is based on a comic book. The Hellenic alliance of the city states won the war, Persia lost. If Leonidas did not manage to get a huge propaganda win out of his sacrifice and did not buy Athens the few days to prepare for siege, Persia would have conquered Greece most likely. So they absolutely did strategically win. Even now, after thousands of years, Sparta is winning the propaganda war, which was their real power. Their military was actually not that strong at all, having just the "nobility" do the fighting made their army quite limited in larger engagements. They won their wars through diplomacy mostly. Thermopilae was absolutely a greek victory in the long term. Does not matter that their army lost there, the point was not to kill persians, but to delay. The plan to beat the persian army was abandoned for this delaying tactic, which worked.
If you just say something with confidence, others are tempted to believe it. It even worked on the Captain for half the replay until he remembered that it is actually the other way around. :D
"In order to go to your opponent's base, you can't avoid those narrow chokes" said the Terran, which had for the entire game 10 medivacs floating above his army, ready to take his units through the air to a place of his choosing.
This is so educational. If I try hard, I can reach the same MMR as Kenobi, yet I see him execute build orders better than I can. It really makes me think about what I can do better as a player
He could have just gone around the lurkers. Or use any tactic other than walk an army into a clump of lurkers. Honestly, I would love to see this terran react to mass baneling.
Dude...your videos are uniquely relatable.... I used to play SC1 over a decade ago and recently got back into SC2 this year after completing Brood Wars and all campaign. Your videos and advice have been the most helpful and relatable for SC2... the other videos out there are more rigid and structured, nerd fest 1995... which doesn't really help in the long-term as the game evolves. I have been doing much better after studying your style. I don't get so upset about protoss cheese in the earlygame, like I used to. -MrMentat
Flip flops are god tier shoes when its raining, because what water gets in gets right out! There is a reason why they are the best beach or pool shoes! Captain, maybe go swim sometimes instead of visiting yet another petting zoo where the goats will just bite you again.
so you'll have to forgive Kenobi...just like in real life...he had the greatest early game of any jedi....but once Disney and Kathleen Kennedy got a hold of him...he went to absolute d0gsht
I also feel like if he had a single Raven in his army that he would have dealt with the lurkers a lot easier. While he had plenty of scans, there was often a delay between one scan ending and the next one starting and this is when he took a lot of damage. If he had a Raven he wouldn't have needed to worry about the constant micro of needing to scan and could have concentrated more on the fights.
I find it odd that so many anti-lurker Terran players blame lurkers in games where the vipers caused them more harm I'm shocked they aren't saying that the viper is op instead. Maybe they're worried that if the viper gets nerfed then the ghost might get nerfed as well. Regardless, it seems pretty clear to me that Kenobi would have steam rolled the zerg player if the vipers didn't pull/blind the tanks.
typical terran: makes units, throws them at enemy, expects to insta win - funny thing is, it does work up to a point cuz most terran units are as mentioned in this video are good all-rounders.
Haha, just 5 min in, and already gold. I liked how Harstem actually points out that terran players can play one come vs everything. Then complain about single units being too good when they at the same time are playing poorly. But, i wear flip flop when it rains. Because in Philippines, it can rain A LOT so you will be wet with your shoes too. And, its also warm with +26 even at night so... i think its perfectly fine, but probably i am the idiot then :D EDIT: I throw games a lot, but i am not sure i have ever left when i am still winning.
26:17 Fun fact: Harstem hasn't gotten a haircut in over 3 years. IIODIS submissions regularly make him tear his own hair out, keeping it at this current length.
I like how impatient Kenobi was, everytime he sieged up his Liberators on Lurkers he scanned and sent in his cannon fodder before the Liberators forced the Lurkers away or picked them off 😂
he was so ahead, why did he leave??? did he just get bored and throw his army into lurker?? he knows what works: Tanks, Libs and Snipe. just do that and easy win!
I remember quitting a lot of games when I first started playing SC not understanding that just because I lost a skirmish didn't mean I was losing, behind, or that if I was I could still come back.
@@BreadAndGatorade This was a 20 minute game. In rts, especially in sc2 where every stage matters this can cause mental fatigue. Yes, you send max out armies one after another and you see the enemy still not crumbling. And here we see the enemy floating horrid amount of resources "coming back" while the good macro player have nothing against the "sudden army" But we all know the series is actually a hidden coach series, otherwise This is why cheese strategies are so popular, because you need to last for a few minutes. Just because you can be good at 100m dash, you can be still horrible in a mile running. Its a different story that checking the resource tabs in the after-game series and the player should instantly know what the problem was. Still... much better to see how "mortals" play the game than the same top 50 gamers... :D
It's so demoralizing watching IODIS at this MMR range because I'm 600 mmr lower and in my heart I feel like I'm so much better than this guy and screaming along with Harstem but in my head I know I'm far worse and even after a ton of practice and improvements I'll still be this bad.
I don't think that Kenobi's argument itself is meaningless or poorly constructed, 'cos if it were true that a specific unit on a single map somehow counters ALL terran bio strats, it would feel pretty unfair despite being perfectly counterable by map veto or playing mech The contrast of this wordy academic argument and his "not entirely perfect" gameplay is what made this IODIS so fun to watch tho.
Worst analogy ever made on this channel. Flip Flops in the rain are OP. Wet socks are so much worse than wet feet. Feet dry quickly. Wet socks ruin your day.
as a professional flip flop wearer, unless they’re the cheap purely plastic ones, they will get wet and soggy and it will feel like walking on wet socks.
But he didn't say they are bad. He said that complaining your feet are wet due to wearing them in rain is stupid. Ofc your feet get wet doing that but whether it is bad or not doesn't apply here.
The Persians didn't have ghosts at the battle of thermopylae but they did have immortals. Also thermopylae means "hot gates" thermo (hot) pylos (gates) and we get Pylon from the greek Pylos. So the persians fought at the pylons with immortals. Obviously they didn't have any ghosts- Xerxes plays Protoss.
Like how every Terran complaint is always them being frustrated at doing OP things while making major mistakes constantly and finding a why to blame something from the opponent. This is one of the best TvZ maps
For the record: Harstem did rant about unit interaction for about 4 mins in the beginning of the game before pointing out the biggest flaw of this complaint:
I feel so much empathy for Kenobi though :D I'm also relatively good at macro, and game understanding, and terrible at micro and fights. If Harstem were to tell me that "my macro is stellar", my SC2 career would be crowned :D :D
Have you ever concerned the difficulties of mirco for the late game for both parties? why Terran is weak in the late game? cuz other two race have too much easy A move AOE units or frontline units. For the Non-pro level players, too hard for them to control Terran army.
18:08 not only did he SEE that spore, BEFORE HE scanned, but he saw it also re-position.... BEFORE his air was sieged. unreal kenobi, unreal bro... you don't suck but in this game, you genuinely dropped the ball every single time you had possession of it
Bros really upset he cant take on an AC-130 with a Remmington Shotgun. Oh wow, the anti-infantry gun purpose built to turn humans into swish cheese does well against Dude with Shotgun!
How to deal with zerg (Kenobi style): 1. Scan and move liberators in first, surely they don't die to the spore crawlers you can see in the base. 2. Should 1 fail (why would it?), send whole army bunched up at lurker ball. Avoid letting stimmed marines take out any spore crawlers. 3. On the off chance that marines are losing to lurkers, move unsieged tanks into viper range. 4. If all else fails (what are the odds?) then evacuate tanks and leave cheaper marines to die. 5. Obviously you claimed victory at step 1. Come on.
Whyd he whine at the end if he wasnt serious? This is literally your average diamond terran. Damn near every single one is like this. Theyre so used to having the best A move armies that theyre utterly incapable of using the best spellcaster in the game to problem-solve.
Captain, I will wear flip flops in the rain quite often, because I have 2 pairs, nice flip flops, and the shitty ones for walking my dog and when it's raining. I'd rather my shitty flip flops get ruined by the rain than any nice shoes :)
2:00 end of the forum and can already tell Kenobi he needs to learn literally any alternative strategy. How are you going to see the ideal circumstances for your opponent and still walk in to them
Oh no the chokes! If only terran had a fast flying transport unit that could also heal and become even faster for a short duration of time to bypass any choke whatesoever... Too bad.
I've been watching a lot of this series, and it's really just so surprising to me how high level players who do "everything right" when it comes to macro, micro, harass, and solid build orders can TOTALLY flub the pure fundamentals of unit countering, either out of ignorance or stubbornness of sticking to "their signature".
Can I suggest an idea for a spin off series? "Is it suck or do I imba" where players can submit replays to you where they won, and then you can tell them whether they won because they're good or because their opponent sucked.
Actually played Kenobi before, he's very good mechanically and as a lower diamond it feels impossible to beat him. That said he seems very prone to tilting (from this video, not from my own experience).
@@Falorik I'm just really behind in terms of macro compared to him. It feels like he can make a whole lot more siege tanks as compared to I would've if I played Terran (I'm Random) while having as many or more workers. This is probably partially to me not having a concise build order, and probably mostly just me lacking macro skills.
@@hetaresgaming7771 Macro is nothing but spamming workers and massing units as late as possible. If you suck at macro, you are propably bad at scouting/reading your opponent. I mean there is really nothing more to it.
For the record i love the map makers freedom we have been seeing in sc2 maps recently..... The 3 lane map does reduce mobility and it does effect harrment tactics but terrians to my understanding get the best rewards from the layout.... As much as i hate how bad marine detection is they do get the best/earliest dropping units making the coke points less of an issue for them... As harstem says zerg get the short end of the stick here
Why are the spotter overlords allowed to live? The banshees pass them, the medivac drop to the left passes one, the medivac drop to the right passes the other overlord...
Hello Harstem, Day9 is back in the StarCraft content world. Have you Considered reaching out for a rank roulette or one of the other game shows? I think a StarCraft quiz about brood war units would be great, just so we can see you lose :D
Even if the complaint was true (the map being imbalanced against bio), what even is the point of it? You can paraphrase it as "When I choose the wrong strategy for the terrain, I lose, fix it!!" :D
Kenobi had a great macro game (mostly) and great executed build order, but man, the army tactics are lacking. I don't know why he felt such a strong need to attack into sieged positions. He could've just hung out and starved the zerg out. Fun game to watch as someone that wouldn't even be as good as Kenobi.
MAcroed like a champ though. If bro just build BC he'd have won so hard. He just needs easy to control units. Especially if the units are massively imbalanced like BC. Terran BC turret scan push is unbeatable by zerg.
He just needed to micro his liberators better. liberators and ravens hard counter lurkers pretty hard. the turrets can be the meat shield for the lurker hits -- placing turrets behind lurkers can give your marines infront of the lurkers more time -- vipers are pretty weak against vikings and non sieged liberators -- non sieged liberators can use rockets against air -- lastly the battle cruiser hard counters lurkers pretty hard -- even just 2 or 3 of those when the other guy had just 1 or 2 hydras would of been better then feeding so many ghosts into the maw. Simply yamato cannon the queens and the hydras and the spores and its over. oh well. an interesting game regardless.
Gets owned by narrow chokepoints, makes his description a narrow chokepoint ... At this point i think it is just the narrow chokepoints that counter him specifically.
This guy walks his bio army through the choke of chokes into 4-5 lurkers, and %80 of his army still survives. Imagine those were tanks instead of lurkers. If anything, lurkers NEED a buff because they are actually very mediocre in the scenario they are supposed to be strong in.
Lurkers are so unfair. If I don't use my tanks and/or ghosts to take them out and instead walk my units into their spines over and over again, I lose. What am I meant to do? Think about how I am going to engage?
Kenobi know the Persians won the battle of Thermopylae, right? He knows they did it by flanking around the choke point, right? He also knows that Athens was sacked by the Persians after, right?
I feel bad for this Diamond-level Terran player. He has excellent macro, as you pointed out, but I don’t think his APM and multitasking skills are good enough to take him into Masters. I’m the same way, which is why I favor strategies that require less micro and more macro.
Kenobi is a reincarnated WWI general marching his army into a series of machine gun nests.
Reminiscent of Pickett's Charge too
He was hoping that the lurkers run out of spikes
"You see, lurkers have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
@@dr_rockso 😂
I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly, the Persians did indeed have both snipers and nukes in the battle of Thermopylae. They did not have ghosts though.
Xerxes' failure to tech up and incorporate ghosts, tanks and libs in his army is considered a textbook example of poor macro nowadays.
i double checked, you confusing watermelons with nukes
Yes, that sounds right to me.
They had a fusion core, but didn’t build any battlecruisers
They had plenty of ghosts after the battle though ;).
(Also, I feel the need to note that the Persians won at Thermopylae)
Make tanks? Check
Make Libs? Check
Make Ghosts? Check
Let those units/spells deal with the lurkers? No
Walk the bio that is meant to be protected by the above units from the lurkers INTO the lurkers instead and then complain about it? Hell yea
"This is like buying 500 lottery tickets, winning the lottery, and then eating the winning ticket, and complaining that the lottery scammed you." 💀
Lurker range: 10
Tank range: 13
Lurkers imba!
Colossus 6 supply, 9 range also just less damage in everyway
@@adoi8467 Except that it does significantly more damage to marines which are the bulk of the dps. Why people come up with the dumbes and most ignorant balance whines in the comment section of a series about how balancewhining is usually stupid, is just so weird.
@@mothrahlurker788 yeah, so we have a 300/200/6 (+150/150 necessary range upgrade) unit that excels in killing marines and sucks in absolutely everything else, like dying to literally two (2x 100/25/2) marauders. And you say comparing it to tanks and lurkers (a super mobile and easy to use unit, a bunch of which can 1-2 shot entire armies consisting of archons, thors and immortals) is whinning and stupid. Gr8 design, balanced af, 4/7.
@@mothrahlurker788 lmao, notice how you say that as if a tier 3 AOE siege unit killing tier 1 mass-able units is a feature when it's suppose to be a GIVEN.
neither tanks or lurkers beat an archon immortal army unless you are engaging like the guy in the video. Also the colossus is way more mobile than tanks and lurkers because they don't need to siege (plus they have the bonus of walking up and down cliffs, but that doesn't matter much). Stop being delusional and get good.
As someone who also loses their mind whenever an engagement happens and trades horrifically, I felt this IODIS in my soul. Rest in peace macro brotha, rest in peace.
Macro-Brother got me, it is the perfect insult without being rude 😂
Edit: Wait, you said brotha, thats even better 😂😂
Kenobi brought a gun to a knife fight and decided to use it as a melee weapon XD
Haha no joke, thats exactly what I wrote before seeing this comment, look trough the comments 😂
This game seemed impossible to lose. The best part is he scanned ahead and saw the lurkers and still moved in the way he did. He could've still sniped the lurkers from the artificial mineral choke, or used medivacs to move his army anywhere else, or outranged the lurkers with his siege tanks, or... This is wild. I feel like this macro is masters level but the control is worse than stuff I've seen in platinum.
Kenobi still won the game like 5 times, this really is an incredible video.
I do really appreciate the map-based imba claim and would like to see more of them. The new maps seem experimental in a lot of ways and probably have an exploit or two... But this ain't it.
I haven't played SC2 in 5-7 years, but I once was at the boundary between Diamond and Masters. I think his army control was Gold League, his macro was Diamond/Masters, and his build order honing was high Diamond/Masters.
@@kangamagic1206the master 3 and below skill level: has dropped significantly imo.
Kenobi: It's over Jackal! I have the high ground!
Jackal: You underestimate my choke points!
* _somehow Kenobi loses_ *
My man is bringing up the battle of thermoplyae as if the spartans didn't lose
They lost tactically, won strategically. The goal was to delay the Persian army enough to allow Athens to prepare for a siege. They did that, also inflicted high losses on the persian elite soldiers and significantly impacted the persian morale. Greece won that war.
@@CZProttonNo they just flat out lost. The plan was to defeat the Persians using the area to their advantage. However once it was clear that could not be done, everyone but the Spartans and some others held the line while the rest retreated.
The movie 300 is... Less than accurate to be generous.
Just imagine the Persians beating down the Spartans until they only have 10 man left and then going "I feel cheated, I quit" and sailing back.
@@LordMephilis The movie is based on a comic book. The Hellenic alliance of the city states won the war, Persia lost. If Leonidas did not manage to get a huge propaganda win out of his sacrifice and did not buy Athens the few days to prepare for siege, Persia would have conquered Greece most likely. So they absolutely did strategically win. Even now, after thousands of years, Sparta is winning the propaganda war, which was their real power. Their military was actually not that strong at all, having just the "nobility" do the fighting made their army quite limited in larger engagements. They won their wars through diplomacy mostly.
Thermopilae was absolutely a greek victory in the long term. Does not matter that their army lost there, the point was not to kill persians, but to delay. The plan to beat the persian army was abandoned for this delaying tactic, which worked.
@@CZProttonMuch like the Charge of the Light Brigade, things not going to plan can still be made to work out in the end.
Kenobi is an oldschool Vanilla WoW Rogue "I lost ONE 1v1 battle out of 500,000,000! That one person is OP! Nerf it now!"
Rogues Take Zero Skill
The nerve to call Crimson Court a zerg-favored map.
Haha that's pretty crazy, the map is the most T favored map since age
If you just say something with confidence, others are tempted to believe it. It even worked on the Captain for half the replay until he remembered that it is actually the other way around. :D
Love when you get dissertations in the imbalance complaint forms
24:54 Kenobi "you underestimate my power!"
when bro mentioned Thermopylae I knew this was a good one.
"In order to go to your opponent's base, you can't avoid those narrow chokes" said the Terran, which had for the entire game 10 medivacs floating above his army, ready to take his units through the air to a place of his choosing.
This is so educational. If I try hard, I can reach the same MMR as Kenobi, yet I see him execute build orders better than I can. It really makes me think about what I can do better as a player
Right? This guy is just destined to be a zerg brother. Insane macro, good defense, A click unit control. Welcome Kenobi, join us.
I LITERALLY said 'Oh boy' outloud as I was scrolling for a video to watch
He could have just gone around the lurkers. Or use any tactic other than walk an army into a clump of lurkers. Honestly, I would love to see this terran react to mass baneling.
* _clumps units together_ *
* _freezes up_ *
. . . . .
"GG I got scammed"
* _quits_ *
Dude...your videos are uniquely relatable.... I used to play SC1 over a decade ago and recently got back into SC2 this year after completing Brood Wars and all campaign.
Your videos and advice have been the most helpful and relatable for SC2... the other videos out there are more rigid and structured, nerd fest 1995... which doesn't really help in the long-term as the game evolves.
I have been doing much better after studying your style. I don't get so upset about protoss cheese in the earlygame, like I used to.
-MrMentat
As a Terran player, I have no idea how this map can favor zerg~
This is definitely one push line and high ground + low ground TANK map.
Flip flops are god tier shoes when its raining, because what water gets in gets right out! There is a reason why they are the best beach or pool shoes! Captain, maybe go swim sometimes instead of visiting yet another petting zoo where the goats will just bite you again.
so you'll have to forgive Kenobi...just like in real life...he had the greatest early game of any jedi....but once Disney and Kathleen Kennedy got a hold of him...he went to absolute d0gsht
I also feel like if he had a single Raven in his army that he would have dealt with the lurkers a lot easier. While he had plenty of scans, there was often a delay between one scan ending and the next one starting and this is when he took a lot of damage. If he had a Raven he wouldn't have needed to worry about the constant micro of needing to scan and could have concentrated more on the fights.
This game: Bringing a gun to a sword fight, but instead of shooting the gun, trying to duel with it
I find it odd that so many anti-lurker Terran players blame lurkers in games where the vipers caused them more harm
I'm shocked they aren't saying that the viper is op instead. Maybe they're worried that if the viper gets nerfed then the ghost might get nerfed as well.
Regardless, it seems pretty clear to me that Kenobi would have steam rolled the zerg player if the vipers didn't pull/blind the tanks.
I like how in your doodle the lurkers look like Spartan shields
15:50 I think he was talking about the roughly diagonal corridors that span the whole map, not the mineral wall chokes
typical terran: makes units, throws them at enemy, expects to insta win - funny thing is, it does work up to a point cuz most terran units are as mentioned in this video are good all-rounders.
Frick off flip flops in the rain are based
It's wild how many fights he won with half the tanks not there, and 75% of the rest of them stacked under one blinding cloud. Or not even using stim.
@@chloesmith4065 Well the minerals spent on the afk tanks was matched on the zerg side by minerals not yet spent and minerals not yet mined.
Haha, just 5 min in, and already gold.
I liked how Harstem actually points out that terran players can play one come vs everything. Then complain about single units being too good when they at the same time are playing poorly.
But, i wear flip flop when it rains. Because in Philippines, it can rain A LOT so you will be wet with your shoes too.
And, its also warm with +26 even at night so... i think its perfectly fine, but probably i am the idiot then :D
EDIT: I throw games a lot, but i am not sure i have ever left when i am still winning.
26:17 Fun fact: Harstem hasn't gotten a haircut in over 3 years. IIODIS submissions regularly make him tear his own hair out, keeping it at this current length.
I like how impatient Kenobi was, everytime he sieged up his Liberators on Lurkers he scanned and sent in his cannon fodder before the Liberators forced the Lurkers away or picked them off 😂
Male Karak getting the VIP defence
he was so ahead, why did he leave??? did he just get bored and throw his army into lurker?? he knows what works: Tanks, Libs and Snipe. just do that and easy win!
Fatigue, he even said his wrist hurt in the form. He didn't level up endurance enough
A fine example that you can lose if your "mental stamina" is low...
I remember quitting a lot of games when I first started playing SC not understanding that just because I lost a skirmish didn't mean I was losing, behind, or that if I was I could still come back.
@@BreadAndGatorade This was a 20 minute game.
In rts, especially in sc2 where every stage matters this can cause mental fatigue.
Yes, you send max out armies one after another and you see the enemy still not crumbling.
And here we see the enemy floating horrid amount of resources "coming back" while the good macro player have nothing against the "sudden army"
But we all know the series is actually a hidden coach series, otherwise
This is why cheese strategies are so popular, because you need to last for a few minutes.
Just because you can be good at 100m dash, you can be still horrible in a mile running.
Its a different story that checking the resource tabs in the after-game series and the player should instantly know what the problem was.
Still... much better to see how "mortals" play the game than the same top 50 gamers... :D
Such a typical terran personality. The tantrum at the end.
"You walked through the choke of all chokes!"
This line really got me good.
Harstem will always be a legend.
It's so demoralizing watching IODIS at this MMR range because I'm 600 mmr lower and in my heart I feel like I'm so much better than this guy and screaming along with Harstem but in my head I know I'm far worse and even after a ton of practice and improvements I'll still be this bad.
I don't think that Kenobi's argument itself is meaningless or poorly constructed, 'cos if it were true that a specific unit on a single map somehow counters ALL terran bio strats, it would feel pretty unfair despite being perfectly counterable by map veto or playing mech
The contrast of this wordy academic argument and his "not entirely perfect" gameplay is what made this IODIS so fun to watch tho.
Worst analogy ever made on this channel. Flip Flops in the rain are OP. Wet socks are so much worse than wet feet. Feet dry quickly. Wet socks ruin your day.
the whole asia and australia is offended lol
You speak like someone from warm climate. Even in late spring here, 14-17C might be fine for flip flops but too cold in rain.
as a professional flip flop wearer, unless they’re the cheap purely plastic ones, they will get wet and soggy and it will feel like walking on wet socks.
But he didn't say they are bad. He said that complaining your feet are wet due to wearing them in rain is stupid. Ofc your feet get wet doing that but whether it is bad or not doesn't apply here.
The Persians didn't have ghosts at the battle of thermopylae but they did have immortals.
Also thermopylae means "hot gates" thermo (hot) pylos (gates) and we get Pylon from the greek Pylos. So the persians fought at the pylons with immortals. Obviously they didn't have any ghosts- Xerxes plays Protoss.
The funny thing about Thermopylae is that the Persians won by going around the Greeks
If only he had some flying transport unit to do that...
He just has the special ability of being completely unable to see spore crawlers
Like how every Terran complaint is always them being frustrated at doing OP things while making major mistakes constantly and finding a why to blame something from the opponent. This is one of the best TvZ maps
For the record: Harstem did rant about unit interaction for about 4 mins in the beginning of the game before pointing out the biggest flaw of this complaint:
The zerg just used their imba unit better, the vipers. Kenobi needs to learn imba ghost micro 😂
all i knew is we would see a move command into lurkers
it was the sieging into vipers which really got me
I feel so much empathy for Kenobi though :D I'm also relatively good at macro, and game understanding, and terrible at micro and fights. If Harstem were to tell me that "my macro is stellar", my SC2 career would be crowned :D :D
to quote a famous chef on qualifiers: "if my mom had wheels, she would be a bicycle. What is your point?"
Does anyone else look forward to the latest IODIS all week =) Great content, ty as always captain
I think he just found out what tanks feel like on EVERY map.
Unlike our terran friend, the Persians actually won at Thermopylae
They still lost the war though.
This battle was more like if the Spartans and the Persians swapped force counts, and then somehow the Spartans still lost.
@@TheReaverOfDarknessAround 7000 Greeks: *fight in the battle of Thermopylae *
Regular people: ♂300♂ Spartans
Have you ever concerned the difficulties of mirco for the late game for both parties? why Terran is weak in the late game? cuz other two race have too much easy A move AOE units or frontline units. For the Non-pro level players, too hard for them to control Terran army.
Watching Harstem slam his desk at the gg was HILARIOUS. The dude rly just threw the biggest win.
he just tunnel visioned too hard and forgot that the entire map is available
18:08 not only did he SEE that spore, BEFORE HE scanned, but he saw it also re-position.... BEFORE his air was sieged.
unreal kenobi, unreal bro...
you don't suck but in this game, you genuinely dropped the ball every single time you had possession of it
Bros really upset he cant take on an AC-130 with a Remmington Shotgun. Oh wow, the anti-infantry gun purpose built to turn humans into swish cheese does well against Dude with Shotgun!
How to win (easy)
1. Do not move your bio into lurkers
2. Bring tanks
3. Bring ghosts, snipe/emp the vipers (optional)
How to deal with zerg (Kenobi style):
1. Scan and move liberators in first, surely they don't die to the spore crawlers you can see in the base.
2. Should 1 fail (why would it?), send whole army bunched up at lurker ball. Avoid letting stimmed marines take out any spore crawlers.
3. On the off chance that marines are losing to lurkers, move unsieged tanks into viper range.
4. If all else fails (what are the odds?) then evacuate tanks and leave cheaper marines to die.
5. Obviously you claimed victory at step 1. Come on.
zerg played like a silver and lost a game vs a diamond opponent but then I honestly think the terran dude just wanted to submit a funny IODIS.
Feels like it has to be a joke when you see how bad the micro moves are.
Whyd he whine at the end if he wasnt serious?
This is literally your average diamond terran. Damn near every single one is like this.
Theyre so used to having the best A move armies that theyre utterly incapable of using the best spellcaster in the game to problem-solve.
If you think he played like a Silver we know you haven't made it to Diamond 😂
At 24:24 The next few minutes are comedy gold. Enjoy my friends!
(Posting this before even watching:)
His mistake was not taking the high ground.
Such BS! Flip Flops are great in wet conditions, thats why you wear them at the beach!
This the most Terran game to ever Terran a Terran with Terrans
Instructions unclear. Ate lottery ticket. When can I expect to receive my winnings? 😐
Captain, I will wear flip flops in the rain quite often, because I have 2 pairs, nice flip flops, and the shitty ones for walking my dog and when it's raining. I'd rather my shitty flip flops get ruined by the rain than any nice shoes :)
Great to see the return of the classic Declinced stamp
I think "Flip Flops in the Rain" was the B Side to "Sunglasses at Night"
2:00 end of the forum and can already tell Kenobi he needs to learn literally any alternative strategy. How are you going to see the ideal circumstances for your opponent and still walk in to them
This show really demonstrated so many lower level SC2 players are uncomfortable with spell casters. As a mainly WC3 player it's definitely weird
Oh no the chokes! If only terran had a fast flying transport unit that could also heal and become even faster for a short duration of time to bypass any choke whatesoever... Too bad.
This is like top 3 cleanest imbalance report, not that it says much :D
All the praise of the macro too :( I hope the player appreciates the praise
I've been watching a lot of this series, and it's really just so surprising to me how high level players who do "everything right" when it comes to macro, micro, harass, and solid build orders can TOTALLY flub the pure fundamentals of unit countering, either out of ignorance or stubbornness of sticking to "their signature".
Can I suggest an idea for a spin off series? "Is it suck or do I imba" where players can submit replays to you where they won, and then you can tell them whether they won because they're good or because their opponent sucked.
I like it I like it
Leonidas and the "300 spartans" ... 1000000% did NOT happen as the movie depicted
Actually played Kenobi before, he's very good mechanically and as a lower diamond it feels impossible to beat him. That said he seems very prone to tilting (from this video, not from my own experience).
He obviously memorizew built orders but cant adapt, which makes him a pretty bad player. Just learn to counter his early game built and you will win.
@@Falorik I'm just really behind in terms of macro compared to him. It feels like he can make a whole lot more siege tanks as compared to I would've if I played Terran (I'm Random) while having as many or more workers. This is probably partially to me not having a concise build order, and probably mostly just me lacking macro skills.
@@hetaresgaming7771 Macro is nothing but spamming workers and massing units as late as possible. If you suck at macro, you are propably bad at scouting/reading your opponent. I mean there is really nothing more to it.
@@Falorik Yeah, i'm not denying that. I'm undeniably bad.
I knew it. Half way through the replay I knew he was just gonna leave way too early.
For the record i love the map makers freedom we have been seeing in sc2 maps recently..... The 3 lane map does reduce mobility and it does effect harrment tactics but terrians to my understanding get the best rewards from the layout.... As much as i hate how bad marine detection is they do get the best/earliest dropping units making the coke points less of an issue for them... As harstem says zerg get the short end of the stick here
Why are the spotter overlords allowed to live? The banshees pass them, the medivac drop to the left passes one, the medivac drop to the right passes the other overlord...
"People with brain damage are the real heroes" (Wheatley, Portal 2)
Just got through the balance complaint and all I can think of is that this is going to get stamped with "no shit sherlock"
Considering how little anti air zerg built a kill squad of banshees would have won that game in a flash.
Jackal kept leaving their spore crawlers unguarded but Kenobi never took them out despite ample opportunities.
Hello Harstem, Day9 is back in the StarCraft content world. Have you Considered reaching out for a rank roulette or one of the other game shows? I think a StarCraft quiz about brood war units would be great, just so we can see you lose :D
16:00 he dose he also has orbitals in a pinch
Even if the complaint was true (the map being imbalanced against bio), what even is the point of it? You can paraphrase it as "When I choose the wrong strategy for the terrain, I lose, fix it!!" :D
Lurkers are good vs ghosts as long as ghosts dont use spells
Same with tanks.
Kenobi had a great macro game (mostly) and great executed build order, but man, the army tactics are lacking. I don't know why he felt such a strong need to attack into sieged positions. He could've just hung out and starved the zerg out. Fun game to watch as someone that wouldn't even be as good as Kenobi.
Tanks are imba against toss mech when on the high ground and defended by some sort of infantry units.
Idea GG timing
MAcroed like a champ though. If bro just build BC he'd have won so hard. He just needs easy to control units. Especially if the units are massively imbalanced like BC. Terran BC turret scan push is unbeatable by zerg.
He just needed to micro his liberators better. liberators and ravens hard counter lurkers pretty hard. the turrets can be the meat shield for the lurker hits -- placing turrets behind lurkers can give your marines infront of the lurkers more time -- vipers are pretty weak against vikings and non sieged liberators -- non sieged liberators can use rockets against air -- lastly the battle cruiser hard counters lurkers pretty hard -- even just 2 or 3 of those when the other guy had just 1 or 2 hydras would of been better then feeding so many ghosts into the maw. Simply yamato cannon the queens and the hydras and the spores and its over. oh well. an interesting game regardless.
Very very good editing
Gets owned by narrow chokepoints, makes his description a narrow chokepoint ... At this point i think it is just the narrow chokepoints that counter him specifically.
I drop the like when the camara zoom in 🤣
"Is it Imba or does Harstem get trolled?"
Hmmmm... lol
This guy walks his bio army through the choke of chokes into 4-5 lurkers, and %80 of his army still survives. Imagine those were tanks instead of lurkers. If anything, lurkers NEED a buff because they are actually very mediocre in the scenario they are supposed to be strong in.
This game is like saying, Paper is OP against Rock in Rock Paper Scissor.
Lurkers are so unfair. If I don't use my tanks and/or ghosts to take them out and instead walk my units into their spines over and over again, I lose. What am I meant to do? Think about how I am going to engage?
Change lurker with tank and ghost with viper. It's so unfair that you need to think before attacking a siege unit.
Kenobi know the Persians won the battle of Thermopylae, right?
He knows they did it by flanking around the choke point, right?
He also knows that Athens was sacked by the Persians after, right?
if he did, he clearly forgot it
I feel bad for this Diamond-level Terran player. He has excellent macro, as you pointed out, but I don’t think his APM and multitasking skills are good enough to take him into Masters. I’m the same way, which is why I favor strategies that require less micro and more macro.
I feel like he just needed high ground as historically kenobi does best there