Hammock Gear Economy Burrow Quilt Review
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The Hammock Gear Burrow Quilt may well be the best deal on the market for getting a good night’s sleep in the backcountry. It blows most ultralight sleeping bags out of the water, costing 1/2 or less of a similarly rated down sleeping bag.
Our STAFF PICK for Value Backpacking Quilt
Weighing a scant 22 ounces and costing $180 (+30F version, wide with for ground sleeping), this quilt is filled with 800 fill power duck down, has a 20D nylon shell, and a zippered foot box. It’s as warm as other equally rated quilts on the market and costs a fraction of the price (see comparisons below).
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I just used your link and ordered a quilt. For a restless sleeper, this seems like a good option for me. Thanks for this thorough review.
Wow, great video. I was about to buy the UQG Quilt but couldn't quite justify the price. you've done all the market research for us. Thanks.
You are so welcome!
I just ordered one too thanks Alan 👍🏻 I was looking at the UGQ bandit ... but after this review I’m converted 😊
Good choice!
Yeah the Thin Blue Line thing for UGQ didn't exactly help their sales last year
Just ordered one. Thanks for your review!
Glad I could help! Hope you enjoy it as much as we do. Wamest, -alan
Great video. I have the Hammock Gear Econ +20 top quilt and my 0 bottom quilt. This is a great cottage company!
Totally agree CCTer! Best, -alan
Got mine a few years ago. 20 degree Econ Burrow wide. Works great for both hammock and tent camping. Never go back to bags unless I go super cold, like 0 degrees. Probably my best buy in hiking gear so far.
Thanks for sharing. Totally agree. Warmest, -alan
Spot on, best value in quality quilts. We love our Econ 20s bought 2 yrs ago. Used them between 25-75F and quickly paid for themselves after a few nights of camping. Ones with zipper in footbox are more versatile. Only downside is the cinch string touches neck/face when in use and needs to be rolled/taped up
So glad you are enjoying your Hamic your quilts. Warmest, - Alan
Just bought one based on this review. Thanks!
Have fun! Best, -a
Great job. Much appreciated.
Our pleasure. Glad it helped. Best, -alan
My favorite hiking gear purchase ever. Econ Burrow 20 degree wide. Awesome for tent or hammock camping. I will never go back to bags. I have used only that bag for years.
Good choice RBH! Warmest, -alan
I just ordered the 30° wide short with the zippered footbox. I'm super excited.
Great review!
Thanks for the kind words!
Econ is duck down and premium is goose down. Def best deal out there I cannot WAIT to get one.
Yup!
Agree on the value. It's a really well-made quilt. I have the 30˚ version and mine comes in at 20.8 ounces.
Nice!
Epic intro!!
Thanks Dobby!
Great quilt.
Indeed!
I've had my long 30F Econ Burrow for 3 years and love it. My only issue was that it wasn't wide enough to use comfortably on the ground (I'm 6'2" and ~225 lbs). My solution? I sold my 30F and bought a 20F long/wide. It will be my goto quilt for hammock and ground camping when it's not summer or I'm not in the mountains. My old and new one both have sewn footboxes, and I highly recommend that feature. I had an EE quilt with a zipper footbox (that cost $100+ more than my Econ Burrow) before I found the HG Econ quilts. The zipper irritated me when sleeping, and I never once opened it up to use as a blanket. Not once. And ... an issue with pretty much any zippered footbox quilt, you get drafts through the opening in the footbox. Sewn footbox solved that issue. If I'm pushing my temp rating, I'll wear some Up insulation booties (Dutchwaregear.com) with my added layers and I'm toasty warm. I've taken the 30F quilt down to 14F with my 20F underquilt and been completely comfortable. HG comfort rates their quilts (like most cottage vendors), so the temp rating isn't your lower survival rating, it's the comfort rating. I love HG. All my quilts are HG quilts now. For the price and quality, you just can't beat the HG Econ line.
Nice McLost. We love HG Econ quits too and are fans of the sewn footbox. Warmest, -alan
Hi how have you found the length? Looking for a quilt and worried that at 6'2" the long+wide will be way too long for me. What's your experience been like?
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. Thou' I would have like to see how big it is when it's stuffed in its bag.
Hi Alan -- great review! Did you go with the 'standard' length or 'long' length? I'm 5'9'' and was considering purchasing the standard but I've heard some people get the long version for the extra material and room. Was wondering if you had any thoughts on that. Thanks!
Either is going to be fine. Getting the longer version is the more conservative approach. At worst you pay a few $ more and it weighs a few oz more. If you buy short and find out you really needed long... well thats a much bigger and expensive problem to fix. Best, -alan
Would you be willing to do a head to head review of this against the Paria thermodown 15? I’d love a side by side review.
Have to order, what a great price! I’ve been using a marmot aspen light 40 as a quilt for a long time...caping, hotels, in my van...it’s super handy. Using a puffy jacket, the marmot like a quilt, and a pad. Getting rid of the zippers/weight is an awesome idea. Which puffy coat are u using? What are your strategies for staying dry? I’m always worried about down when wetness is a possibility. Do you have issues with condensation/dampness or the bag not drying out? Is this what you use 100% of the time? Thought about using synthetic puffy and down bag so I have the synthetic when I get wet maybe..
Checkout our guide to sleeping bags and quilts www.adventurealan.com/best-backpacking-sleeping-bags-camping-quilts/. In over 50 years of backpacking I have never gotten a down bag or garment so wet it didn't keep me warm. "We believe the case for down over synthetic fill is compelling. The weight advantage of down, the compressibility of down and the longevity of down over the years are all significant advantages. The main argument for synthetic fill is it’s lower initial cost, but over a few years there’s degradation of synthetic fill’s ability to loft, so advantage is lost. The other argument is that a synthetic bag keeps you warm even if wet. But really? Are you going to sleep in a wet sleeping bag and carry it around soaked? We don’t think the average hiker is going to do that. We also know that paying attention to where you camp, using an adequate shelter and taking time to dry things out occasionally is a much more reasonable strategy for keeping your sleeping system functioning well." As to a puffy jacket checkout our www.adventurealan.com/lightweight-down-jackets/. But just about any high quality down jacket should be fine. If you want to go synthetic then we'd suggest the Enlightened Equipment Torrid Apex Jacket. www.adventurealan.com/enlightened-equipment-torrid-apex-jacket-review/. Hope this helps. Best, -alan
Thanks for the review. Considering the type of gear you use I was wondering why you didn't go with premium down? It's like 90 bucks more for a 2.5 oz weight savings. Plus it packs a bit smaller.
I own both. I review gear for a living. That being said economy borrow a far better value for most people. But if you can afford it and you want to save the weight, then go for it. The premium is an awesome piece of gear. All the best Alan
@@adventure_alan_co Oh okay, I didn't know that. I was just doing a TH-cam search on the burrow and this came up. I just wondering if there was some other reason you went with that. Thanks for the speedy response
I love your down beanie and would love to buy one. Can you send me a link?
Thank you
You're welcome. Warmest, -alan
I recently bought a quilt (Nunatak 25*F Arc UL) as my '2-3 season bag' mostly because of all videos and like this and I thought the logic made sense. Therefore this video is timely and relevant to me. My rationale was the range could be easily extended with extra clothing layers or opening up the quilt etc. Nunatak is one of the top cottage manufacturers with excellent reviews and their temperature ratings are considered conservative or comfort rated. I recently tested the quilt on two different nights when nighttime temps hovered around 23-25F (the entire night) with no windchill. The pad system was the a Nemo Tensor insulated+Thermarest zlite sol. Here's my conclusion: at 25-23F I was very uncomfortable. I needed to wear a heavy fleece jumpsuit+wool socks+wool hat+down pants and hooded jacket and I was still cold. There is no WAY that this quilt is warmer or more comfortable than my Western Mountaineering Alpinlite (to be fair that's a 20F bag with 3oz of overfill). I tested the Alpinlite on the same night under the same conditions and slept much more comfortably in only my base layer. I really like Alan's honest reviews but in this case I think he makes a mistake saying that generally "quilts are warmer than sleeping bags". Maybe for some people in certain conditions?? I think this video (as well as most quilt vs sleeping bag tests) fail to point out that your sleep system is HIGHLY personal and subjective. As many people have stated, temperature ratings are very, very misleading and inaccurate. For example, I tested the quilt when the temps were below freezing the entire night. I'm sure I would have felt much different if the temps were well above freezing before going to sleep, then dipped to 25F sometime during the night and then climbed back up in the morning. I'm sure I would have been 'comfortable' at 25F for a couple of hours. From now on I will only be taking my Western Mountaineering bag if temps will be below 32F!
Hi Alex. Sorry that you had a cold night in your Nunatak 25*F Arc UL. Always a bummer to be cold. And I don't doubt for a moment that you were cold.
Per your "I really like Alan's honest reviews." You are right, we do our best to give honest, data driven reviews. But to clarify, what I said was "FOR THE SAME WEIGHT a down quilt is warmer..." Weight is the important distinction. E.g. a Western Mountaineering Alpinlite +20 F is 31 oz and has an estimated comfort rating of 27 F (note that WM does not ISO test their bags). For approximately the same estimated comfort rating, one could get an Enlightened Equipment Enigma +30 (our modeled comfort +29F) that only weighs 18 ounces. So the quilt is far warmer on a per weight basis. For more, check out our supporting data tables www.adventurealan.com/supporting-data-backpacking-sleeping-bags/
But as to: ' I really like Alan's honest reviews but in this case I think he makes a mistake saying that generally "quilts are warmer than sleeping bags".'
You might want to check out our www.adventurealan.com/best-backpacking-sleeping-bags-camping-quilts/ which has a lot more info, and discussion about quilts and temperature ratings than can be covered in a video review of a single quilt. 1) That is backed up by ISO testing of both quilts and sleeping bags, and by our "Sleeping Bag Warmth Estimator (AAWE)" and our data tables www.adventurealan.com/supporting-data-backpacking-sleeping-bags/ for the estimated comfort temperatures for a number of sleeping bags and quilts. 2) The ISO tests are done for a reason as there is simply too much individual variation from person to person, camping conditions, whether you went to bed damp, exhausted, etc. to draw any conclusions from a single person experience, let alone a single night for a person. 3) There is some modest skill involved in sleeping in a quilt, which I also mention. And some people may sleep cold in a quilt in the same way some people may sleep cold in a sleeping bag. The ISO testing (and our model) are attempting to predict how warm many people will sleep, not all people. Again I don't doubt you slept cold and am sorry for your uncomfortable night in the Nunatak Quilt. Warmest, -alan
@@adventure_alan_co Hi Alan, I take your point. When I have a chance I will try 20-15F quilt for a fairer comparison to my WM bag. However, one argument I always hear about quilts which I don't necessarily agree with is you 'waste' the down under you in a bag since it's compressed while you sleep. Yes, this is true at the pressure points but I feel much of it sort of 'fluffs' around you more than in a quilt and give you a feeling of being enveloped by warmth. Another thing to consider is that you can easily move the down in a bag with a continuous baffle design such as the WM Alpinlite. If I shake the quilt I can move almost all the down from the bottom to the top which makes it even warmer if I sleep on my back. Furthermore, you did not elaborate on the baffle construction of the Burrow. For the cost of the Burrow I'm guessing it must be a sewn through construction? The more expensive quilts you highlight (i.e. Katabatic) all have differential cuts (I don't think EE does, hence why they are cheaper as well). Are you saying that a sewn through construction will have the same thermal efficiency as a differential cut with everything else being equal?
You seem to know your quilts.
I’m buying my first. Should I go with sewn or zipper foot box?
@Adventure Alan I am really interested in the HG quilts. Quick question if I may. I suffer from lower back pain and tend to sleep in the fetal position on my side with my knees tucked up close to my core. I do toss and turn a lot too. Is this going to create a draft or cold spots? Bare in mind I will purchase a long wide to hopefully correct any cold spots. As well get the pad straps too.
The reason I ask is we were out backpacking late summer in Manning park. The temps dipped down to almost freezing. I was using a nemo tango solo quilt(30 degree) and it failed to keep me warm. Hehe trying not to repeat the same circumstance.
Almost forgot to ask. Are the temp ratings lower limit or comfort range? I've seen other reviews and they think it is a comfort rating over lower limit. I'm curious as to what you think. Thanks for the videos.
Mark, I think only you can make the call as to whether a quilt works for you - it seems like you've had enough quilt experience. As to comfort vs. limit I strongly suggest you take a hard read of our sleeping bag and quilt guide www.adventurealan.com/best-backpacking-sleeping-bags-camping-quilts/ as it has an extensive coverage on this issue - including our own engineering model that accurately calculates the comfort temps for sleeping bags and quilts. Hope this helps. Warmest, -alan
Thanks for the reply Alan. I will definitely read through your info on quilts.
Thanks for the video. Did my first backpacking trip at 51. Decided to really get into next Spring so I really wanted to get this exact Quilt. Will be doing mostly New England States (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Massachusetts). Does the 30 degree version actually keep you comfortable at 30 degrees? Will mostly be doing mid Spring to Early Fall so I figured this degree version should fit the bill. Your opinion? Thanks
See my post above. I was not comfortable at 25F in a 25degree 'comfort' rated quilt. You're experience may be different.
I would plan on some base layer for sleeping. It also depends if you sleep cold or hot.
John,
Per Alex's reply, here is an adapted version of what I sent him. In particular the last section with numbered points that explains why it's so hard to predict whether an individual person (or even an individual in a particular camping situation) will be warm in a certain bag or quit. Essentially it cannot be done...
We do our best to give honest, data driven reviews. But to clarify, what I said was "FOR THE SAME WEIGHT a down quilt is warmer..." Weight is the important distinction. E.g. a Western Mountaineering Alpinlite +20 F is 31 oz and has an estimated comfort rating of 27 F (note that WM does not ISO test their bags). For approximately the same estimated comfort rating, one could get an Enlightened Equipment Enigma +30 (our modeled comfort +29F) that only weighs 18 ounces. So the quilt is far warmer on a per weight basis. For more, check out our supporting data tables www.adventurealan.com/supporting-data-backpacking-sleeping-bags/
But as to: ' I really like Alan's honest reviews but in this case I think he makes a mistake saying that generally "quilts are warmer than sleeping bags".'
You might want to check out our www.adventurealan.com/best-backpacking-sleeping-bags-camping-quilts/ which has a lot more info, and discussion about quilts and temperature ratings than can be covered in a video review of a single quilt.
1) That is backed up by ISO testing of both quilts and sleeping bags, and by our "Sleeping Bag Warmth Estimator (AAWE)" and our data tables www.adventurealan.com/supporting-data-backpacking-sleeping-bags/ for the estimated comfort temperatures for a number of sleeping bags and quilts. 2) The ISO tests are done for a reason as there is simply too much individual variation from person to person, camping conditions, whether you went to bed damp, exhausted, etc. to draw any conclusions from a single person experience, let alone a single night for a person. 3) There is some modest skill involved in sleeping in a quilt, which I also mention. And some people may sleep cold in a quilt in the same way some people may sleep cold in a sleeping bag. The ISO testing (and our model) are attempting to predict how warm many people will sleep, not all people. Warmest, -alan
@@adventure_alan_co Thank you so much for all this information. Looks like I will be doing some reading later.
My friends have the HG Econ and love it! They are cold sleepers and need it for colder temperatures so they got 10 deg F rated ones with 2oz of overstuff
Nice! Best, -alan
Granted everyone sleeps hotter or colder, but how true do you find their quilt temperature ratings? Is the 30F rating a true men's comfort rating or is more of a chilly night limit; with a comfort of 40F? Was looking for one for the summer possibly mild spring or fall. Do you have any experience with the 20F quilt, is it truly a comfort rating to 20F or expect a chilly 20F night; with a comfort of 30F. Thought about the 30F for summer since I have a winter bag, but would a 20F quilt be too hot in the summer, for mostly AT section hikes? Or do people tend to have two or more quilts like a 0F or 10F for the cooler months and then a 30F for summer?
Hi Brian, see below from reply to essentially the same Q from Alex. In particular, look at the last section with numbered points. But the important point is: "ISO tests are done for a reason as there is simply too much individual variation from person to person, camping conditions, whether you went to bed damp, exhausted, etc. to draw any conclusions from a single person experience, let alone a single night for a person."
But first, "FOR THE SAME WEIGHT a down quilt is warmer..." Weight is the important distinction. E.g. a Western Mountaineering Alpinlite +20 F is 31 oz and has an estimated comfort rating of 27 F (note that WM does not ISO test their bags). For approximately the same estimated comfort rating, one could get an Enlightened Equipment Enigma +30 (comfort rated 29F) that only weighs 18 ounces. So the quilt is far warmer on a per weight basis. For more check out our data tables www.adventurealan.com/supporting-data-backpacking-sleeping-bags/
As to whether a PARTICUALR individual whill sleep warm or cold on a PARTICULAR night... You might want to check out our www.adventurealan.com/best-backpacking-sleeping-bags-camping-quilts/ which has a lot more info, and discussion about quilts and temperature ratings than can be covered in a video review of a single quilt. 1) Our is backed up by ISO testing of both quilts and sleeping bags, and by our "Sleeping Bag Warmth Estimator (AAWE)" and our data tables www.adventurealan.com/supporting-data-backpacking-sleeping-bags/ for the estimated comfort temperatures for a number of sleeping bags and quilts. 2) The ISO tests are done for a reason as there is simply too much individual variation from person to person, camping conditions, whether you went to bed damp, exhausted, etc. to draw any conclusions from a single person experience, let alone a single night for a person. 3) There is some modest skill involved in sleeping in a quilt, which I also mention. And some people may sleep cold in a quilt in the same way some people may sleep cold in a sleeping bag. The ISO testing (and our model) are attempting to predict how warm many people will sleep, not all people. Warmest, -alan
Using the money you save in this quilt you can get a good sleep pad
And a good pad like the Women's NeoAir will help to keep you even warmer!
huh. seems like this guy knows his shit. ill be looking into this quilt
I'm trying to decide between the economy burrow 10 and the paria thermodown 15. The paria comes cheaper at $170, but is 8 ounces heavier with 700 fill. Im a 5-10 mile weekend hiker so weight doesn't come with a huge premium for me. I will make my final decision on overall quality. Do you have any thoughts on the paria quilt?
I have not used the Paria Quilt. But if cost is really an issue and weight is... the Paria it might be worth a try. Best, -alan
@@adventure_alan_co Thanks for taking the time to reply! I appreciate that. I've decided to go with the paria for my topquilt, and the economy incubator for my under quilt.
Everything I've heard about Hammock Gear has been good. But you lost me at Western Mountaineering being "not quite as warm". Whatevs.....
Randall look at the the data - the performance tables in our sleeping bag guide www.adventurealan.com/ultralight-sleeping-bags-backpacking/. WM is just middle of the pack for warmth to weight and near the bottom for warmth for the cost.
You state, "As you can see, there is no gapping " Yet you turn towards the camera. We cannot see if there is gapping in the back. In addition, you appear to use your right hand and make an adjustment behind you. Or perhaps you were simply checking for a gap. It would have been a better visual had you turned away from the camera. I use quilts in different widths and degrees. I've been using them for five years. I do experience gapping from time to time and I think most people would agree. I read your blog and watch your videos. This is not a condemnation of you or quilts, merely a suggestion on how this could have been a better demonstration.
Thanks for the suggestions Cheri. Best, -alan
Nit pickerz............. lol
@@nolanacheson7005 OMG. I just reread and rewatched and wonder , "What was I thinking?" My apologies, I am not usually nit picky like this.
@@cheri7828 Very kind reply, Cheri!!! :)