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Aventurine shields are nice but using Aventurine in Auto feels unsafe compared to Fu Xuan. In MoC I can safely put Fu and expect 3* with Aventurine even on floor 11 Auto managed to lose a character cause Aventurine AI is Dumb and don't skill enough. So for AUTO Fu > Aventurine. Personally with Fu Xuan you lose only when your DPS suck while with Aventurine RNG can triple focus on 1 teammate and your Shield+HP is not enough so you lose a star in MoC.
On investment i disagree. Fuxuan with 0 relics or LC will still take in 65% of the teams dmg and still reduce the overal dmg the team takes and only gets better with relics. Aventurine needs his relics and def investment to be able to produce useful shields. On utility, objectively, 12% Crit Rate is just better than 15 C.DMG. Debuff immunity for the party is just better than 50% effect res. On this it depends how many debuffs are being thrown at you but still. Aven shits on FX in dmg but aside from DMG Aven doesnt provide much Utility aside from CDMG buff and Effect Res. Also on sustaining, they both get fucked with getting attacked frequently. If the dmg receieved exceeds the shield your hp will drop amd Aven has no way of bringing it back up at all. So it becomes a mattwr of time before someone dies. FuXuan only has that problem in massive nuke type attacks and if they sirvive she can slowly bring them back. I think they are both in the same tier in sustaining but FuXuan has more utlility at normal investment. On everything else I agrre bro. Good shit
This is absolutely a good discussion to have a back and forth. I think both of them are strong contenders which is why the topic was even addressed so strongly, but I see exactly where you're coming from there. I'd have to say in today's Star Rail, that Effect Res is way too good to pass up on. Especially against enemies like the new Violin lady who can sleep your entire team. The debuff does nothing if my DMG dealers are asleep, y'know? 12% Cr. Rate is awesome, but it's gotten to a point where I just build the crit values better. That beings said, I'd still value that more than the Cr. DMG vulnerability, but I was more so looking at Aven's utility as the DMG he brings alongside the team, not his Cr. DMG vul. I have not seen Aventurine get body rocked yet on being attacked often cause he just puts the shield up before it expires or after. lol That man has perma shields! Fu Xuan loses to massive nukes, DoT, and repetitive bullying. Aventurine does not have a major drawback to any attacks so far. On the side note of investment though, I was going off Prydwen's criteria. They are looking at 0 relics, low investment, etc. To my understanding these are optimal builds without (at most) sig LCs.
@@boringstudent0691 i miss spoke there i was refering to Dot that hits frequently but doesnt trigger Aven FUA. But also Nuke attacks. They both suck at those but FX had a way of bringing some of thay HP back to some degree is what I meant
" If the dmg receieved exceeds the shield your hp will drop amd Aven has no way of bringing it back up at all." What do you mean? Aven brings back shield by using skill, you just rarely need to do that, or getting to 7 points which as someone else said, frequent attacks benefit Aven as that's the main way he gains points aside from getting lucky off ult.
To be fair, as a Blade Enjoyer, I’m not mad about him being Mid. I’m just patently waiting for his buff from either relics or new character to help him lol
@@JJ-mn3nd he is pretty mid if you already have 2 decent sustains and is not interested in having the FuA premium team (IRS team). For new accounts and players needing a sustain he is great, otherwise it's a pretty useless pull imo
you buff your 5 stars by getting their eidolons and weapons. if you have those they stay relevant much longer, and at max eidolons they'll remain till the game shuts down.
tbh I'm not sure if he will ever get a good buff since he is so dependent on hp and his dmg isn't super high even with e1. Maybe if there is a support that increases the amount of hp a character has by a lot?
Facts. Outside SU and GnG, my team never dies with fu xuan on the field. If your fu or team dies then that's a skill issue imo or should I say a very relatable fu xuan xD
She can pretty much die in current MoC 12 side 2, if she gets stunlocked. She'll survive longer than anyone else though (besides Gepard who has self-res).
As i said if your Fx dies your Fx is trash. My Fx has 7500 hp, 2k def, 40 Spd and 50 Eff res I don't even have her sig lc but she didn't experience dying outside SU or Moc. The ones saying their Fx dies in Moc is just bad at building her and she's not that hard to build lol.
@@shjinriven3408 did you even experienced current MoC 12 half 2? Being stunlocked for 5-6 turns without ability to refresh stacks is enough for any FX to die under Kafka's AOE. Yours 7500 hp, 2k one won't last for 3 turns though.
As someone that likes aventurine a lot and thinks he's an amazing sustain, you are absolutely exagerating the difference between him and Fuxuan. The only place he's noticebly more confortable is in sim uni if you run him in preservation, they are basically identical in other situations, heck, if you run into strong hitting enemies, that "sp positive" of his goes out the window and he becomes sp neutral. Also, in terms of dot, both struggle. Fuxuan takes more damage, Avneturine's shields gets shredded. Yes, he has that 50% effect res but just like pulling characters, a 50/50 is still ass and even if you have effect res on your supports, your dps will probably still end up the biggest victim since he'll have next to no other effect res outside of that 50/50. Edit ; ok, now this is either satire or you've got the whole "spender unrelatability", for players that don't have aventurine's LC, you CHOOSE between making him a good sustain or having him do "eh" damage. You out here describing a E6 aventurine with that "he sustains better than Fuxuan AND he does as much damage as Blade and Argenti"
Not to mention he struggles when allies taking too much turns, for example E2 DHIL + Sparkle, or Jingliu + Bronya, cuz they lost the shield after 3 turns.
I feel like while Fu Xuan still isnt bad now. The endgame content is favoring Aventurine with so many imaginary weakness in the upper floors of MoC so he contributes a lot to toughness breaking and damage while also sustaining with his shields. Both are still really good sustain options and provide different things in addition to their sustain
You simply cannot use the prydwen recorded stats to make any kind of point. If you want to, then you must also accept that topaz hypercarry is a better dps than acheron, which is flat out absurd. The way the data is filtered is imparting tons of bias into that number that requires explaining far beyond what the unit's strength and capabilities are.
honestly it feels like a bit of an issue on fu xuan build if you are having issues with aventurine boss with fu xuan, she is capable of sustaining into it fine and dice should not be able to ever KO while giving you a free ult refund when you use it in dice phase too. fu xuan to me is the only sustain that can actually just completely brain off sustain every single piece of non g&g content without any risk of death like ever (unless you are taking far more turns vs swarm than you should be). aventurine sustain is definitely still great but its definitely not at 100% levels of reliability, when played completely sp positive on non follow up teams his ability to refresh shields is definitely nowhere near as perfect as you claim, this can lead to issues when you are facing ST content or blast content that decides to DD on a different unit and easily get through ur shields, ST content especially means stack generation is a bit fucked too. its still good though but like this isn't at the same levels of immortal protection in any way. what makes aventurine like 100% comfortably better and deserving of an extra tier is 100% the fact that he has relevant damage, provides similar buffs (and has access to stuff like his s1 too), debuffs for like acheron, and the fact that he can absolutely be played completely sp positive. in practice though a 100% sp positive playstyle on non fua teams does mean that you may have to reset because there are genuine risks of death sometimes, but its a fairly small price since it shouldnt happen often still and you can still commit to having to spend sp occasionally to make it even more ideal.
@@keme1770 ?? No way. Aventurine Boss is not hard to sustain with even if you take 20 cycles. Just don't ult with Fu Xuan unless it is dice phase and you get infinite reheals. SAM is a more annoying boss cause you are deliberately causing damage to yourself and the small bit of healing is nerfed. Aventurine is is certainly better for that. But he is literally the worst boss in the game to have Fu Xuan against if you are going to take a long time, and only one boss.
Powercreep is nuts in this game. Happy I don’t spend because everything gets outclassed so fast. For me, Fu Xuan is best because she’s classy and Pink. Aventurine can’t even afford a full shirt. Come on now.
13:02 I do agree with that, his damage is in the follow up comp (ratio topaz robin) has similar performance to another dps, not to the same level as the 5* options (jing yuan/blade) but his damage does make a significant difference, f2p since launch and got my first ever 0 cycle using this comp
i think the problem with seele is the fact shes so gear dependent. Like if your gear is a little too weak and you dont get the kill on the mob its over, your damage just fell off a cliff and becomes sushang levels.
Yeah I had mentioned that on his tier list video. He was talking about accessibility and relatability and that’s why it made a character good, but then hypes Seele who is the furthest thing from that and requires hyperinvesting to reach potential compared to other dps. Let’s be real - not everyone is going to farm the QUA set to get insane double crit pieces, especially if they aren’t paying for refreshed.
I think Fu is really good in Single target damage situations while aventurine is for AOE. Like if its turn 1 and one of your characters gets focused theyll shred the armor and take hp that you cant get back. I think Aventurine will see huge problems in his kit if a boss comes out with insane single target damage that can be used twice or is fast af.
Fu Xuan's 12% crit rate for the entire team feels so much more universal than what Adventurine brings to the table outside of follow up teams. Building him for damage is significantly harder without his signature light cone and Topaz is also boosting him with increased follow up damage and at least 3-4 stacks for his shields a turn, so in non-follow up teams he's not hitting the infinite shield sustain as easy. He's still very strong and deserves to be in Tier 0 too, but Fu Xuan is similar to Ruan Mei in that you just throw her on the team, hit technique for free 12% crit rate just for existing and strong enough sustain for most content outside of Gold and Gears endgame shenanigans.
12% cr really, just roll well dude. Plus now with super break, DOT & other break DPS characters coming in. 12% CR means even less. Fu Xuan is a premium sustain that can’t sustain in the hardest content (C20 GnG & soon T6) that’s terrible. Sustaining in MOC is cute when you can just bring another harmony and do it even faster anyway. Fu Xuan is a completely fine sustain for casuals who don’t play hard enough content. But she’s not better than Aventurine. (Not that you said she was, it’s just a little ridiculous that people just gloss over the fact a 5* sustainer can’t sustain when they are needed most)
Just neglacting OPenturines op-shields and op-damage + SP-positivity. Openturine is one stage above FX, since you have to cast her skill more often to keep up her heal if extreme ae-damage follows.... be realistic bruh... FX in the last MOC against Aventurin-Boss as example, is nearly impossible for her to tank all the frequent ae-damage for the team, you could win that fight if your dd's are doin' op-damage and that's nearly only doable with a well-build Acheron.
@@AlucardMM The tier list is literally meant to guide the average player who isn't gonna try hard on stuff like C20 GnG which is nearly impossible for any 5 star sustain to solo outside of Adventurine bc of his reset mechanic. The average player can get a lot of value with 12% crit rate, easily survivig the content they care about and resisting cc, all with low investment. Adventurine has a higher ceiling, no question, but at low investment for casual player the gap aint that big.
@@PartherB8 there’s no comparison between the performance of Fu Xuan & Aventurine in C20. Fu Xuan would get nuked by Argenti & killed by DOT stacking by the swarm. Aventurine would not flinch at all. His eff res stops DOTs & his shield stacking is superior. That’s not even an issue of builds, It’s just how she works. Big AOE nukes destroy her and she can’t really benefit from SU buffs where as someone like even Gepard can.
My only concern is how you’re bringing in gng and sim u into a MoC ranking. Anyone can sustain in MoC imo. We should focus more on what they provide buff, dmg etc.
brother I adore aventurine but you are capital GLAZING him rn. hes only doin that much with s1 and topaz AND ruan mei/robin. mines throwin 40 to 50ks out on the f2p eff res cone with topaz SOMETIMES If we're looking at the average player, they're not gonna be high rollin like that That being said tho he still gaps fu and probably huohuo too and is easily the best solo sustain in the game idk why people can't see that
U forgot to mention harmony mc he can do a lot of dmg and with geopard lc it allows adventurine to output similar numbers as it great in helping him get to 4k defense so u can focus on crit
This just isn't true. I glaze, but I ain't glazing Aventurine. A MAN. LMAO Prydwen has the data and they aren't using S1. I accomplish the same results without S1 and often change his LC depending on the team, nor do I need Robin/Mei specifically for him. They are awesome, but that's just them. With that same logic, I should be allowed to go around saying Daniel without Sparkle is XYZ and not catch flack, y'know? 40-50k casual DMG is still a GOOD thing. That's not weak at all so for the average player achieving that, yes. That is worth noting and keeping into consideration.
@@Iyoverse yeah most elites in moc 11-12 have 400-500k hp like the auromaton spectral envoy and all new new puppet elites. so that's 10% or more of their hp in one move
My only problem is Aven is that he really sucks if one random teammate gets hyper focused. I have had issues where enemies attacks Topaz 6 times in a row. Even reshielding on aven turn couldn't save her.
18:15 that is so interesting you mentioning BS having energy issues because I play her around her basic atk (123% EHR lezgoo, haha), so I hardly notice; but this is good to know, regardless, whenever I want to further test Arcana/Atk% stacking.
I've never had a unit outright die from a quick jab burst. By the time I've had someone's shield run out, Aven's turn has already come around to refresh it. But different experiences for different folks.
NOW I agree.... at first i even thought that Fu Xuan slightly better than Ave. BUT after i use Ave,,, i realize many thing better on aventurine. He's better than Fu 1. As you said, so many shield refill method (skill, follow up, Ulti (with eidolon)) 2. He trigger the follow up surprisingly fast, especially if the enemy is AoE user... 3. His ulti increase the follow up count as well 4. The Mass effect res 70 % (thats HUGE) and the one effect per turn immunity for aventurine really powerful, especially (as you said) on the long battle. 5. Effect Res, block Dots (this one Fu dont have, she only on CC debuff) Most of all, he's FTP friendly, you can still go well even with E0 without sign LC Thank you for the insight Iyo
Another aspect of his kit that people don’t mention as much as they should is he’s free 50% effect res for everyone with a shield. That’s strong asf cause you don’t need to worry about a cleanse if you don’t get affect with an defuff
@@0kaiKai One instance of "CC" prevention which can make her need to spam skill against many enemies. Aven Effect Res is ALL kinds of debuffs no matter how many instances.
Hi, Iyo! Back for some more friendly discourse lmao. Just wanted to touch on something that was mentioned that I don't think you considered in your criteria BUT lets start where we agree lol. My own personal tier list has Seele in T1 and Fu Xuan in T0.5. So, me personally, I agree with a lot of points that you mentioned. Especially under the Prydwen criteria. NOW lets get to where we differ: Showing MoC Cycles without context is a bit disingenuous but I dont think this was on purpose at all to your defense. Adventurine MoC was REALLY favorable to quantum and Ice DPS and very unfavorable to Imaginary Units. That being said his average clear cycle was still around theirs. This current MoC is more fair to make this comparison. With all that being said, DHIL is doing better than both of them and unlike his peers, he does NOT have two designated limited buffer units that exist to make him deal more damage. He is still using Tingyun, a T1 support. Not saying that this is bad but it is clear DHIL still has substantially room to grow and is still doing better than the units you mentioned. Not only is DHIL's floor higher, his ceiling is also higher. For that reason I would put him in T0.5 with Jingliu. Also up for some friendly discussion. Love you brother!
Hey Iyo! Always love seeing your takes, but I did want to make a small correction, if I'm not mistaken anyway as I don't have an Aventurine, but when you were talking about his utility, you were saying he debuffs on follow-up attacks, but that's only with his signature lightcone no? Unless I haven't seen something in his kit. It doesn't change much as I think you also included one of Fu's lightcone effects when discussing Fu, but I didn't know if this was a mistake as the discussion included the criteria which excluded limited lightcones. Edit: Also hey, at least you aren't one of those people I've seen lately saying Jingliu has completely fallen off/ is mid now/ has always actually been mid
(Sorry, last comment, haha) In regards to Seele, I wonder if players are devaluing her because she is single target? And also powercrept for being our first limited DPS? Like, I can understand that powercreep will ALWAYS be inevitable, especially in a gacha game, but even when I played DHIL for a while, I still believed Seele to be superior because of her Advance Forward that you can juggle with her Ult (defeat enemy, advance forward, skill/basic attack, Ultimate for another KO, advance forward again). Sure, DHIL has crazy CRD output, but he eats up skill points like nothing without Hanya/Sparkle and needs better speed tuning than Seele. It feels weirdly inefficient to have to run (at worst) 2 supports for DHIL, when Seele can just play in mono-Quantum and have a field day. IDK just my thoughts, and I could also be missing something here outside of DPS/long-term meta utility.
why people have so many arguments between aventurine vs fu xuan? at the end of the day u need 2 sustains for all the content on the game. just use them both, aventurine is my first 5 star sustain and im still gonna get fu xuan as my second one, there is not too much science on it, keep the good work iyo i recently started watching ur videos and i like ur arguments
Can I just say pre watching the video that I'm not even entirely sure why this argument exists when Aventurine is clearly better than her? And not to say that Fu Xuan is bad or anything close to that, but Aventurine is just straight up a more complete character. He is a better sustainer than her when purely discussing sustaining across ALL of the game's challenges, and then what else is there, she has the one time debuff immunity (which aventurine has on himself every other turn mind you) per skill cycle, which is good, even better than the 50% effect res for the whole team when you're not being riddled with debuffs, but when you are it simply does not compete, and the 12% crit rate which is very good, and even better than the 15% cdmg that Aventurine gives, but that's where it ends. Aventurine does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than her, and that 15% cdmg he offers comes in the form of a debuff which then greatly adds to his value for characters who can use debuffs, I truly don't think it's particularly close which of the two is just the better unit.
@@gameexpert133 E1=20% cd and an extra stack of shield on ult and E2=12% all type res reduction on basic, one of these sets of eidolons is very much better than the other
Gotta double up on the crit increase being a debuff thing, not only does it directly benefit certain characters kits (Ratio and Acheron), the literal best 2pc relic effect for a dps character relies on a debuff being on the enemy
That's what I was saying too even before Aventurine came out. In longer encounters, especially with enemies applying DoTs, Fu Xuan just falls off too hard. Aventurine doesn't, and he provides a sht ton of utility. Correct me if I'm wrong, but rn the only team in which Fu in bis sustainer is mono quantum. In any other team, Aventurine is just superior, right? Give it a few patches and maybe some new DoT character that can heavily benefit from Huohuo, and maybe Fu will go down and Huohuo up there with Aventurine. That's just my opinion tho.
Lost 50/50 on adventurine banner for yanqing. I don't fully understand adventurines kit but doesn't he need teammates that do follow up attacks to supply his follow ups to keep the shield going? For an sp positive setup anyway. If that is the case fu xuan is the better sustainer for my teams since the main follow up attack focused character I have is Dr. Ratio, I have herta cause everyone has her and I do have an E2 himeko the only one of the three I have semi built is herta for a sub dps on my Jingliu team.
What he needs are enemies who do AOE/blast attacks, which are a lot. Each shielded character hit adds +1 to his passive. And most enemies with AOE also attack twice, so 5 marks. The next 2 stacks, not considering FUA, can come from his ult which gives 1 to 7 stacks. Plus, he can get extra stacks up to +10, in those cases, he would return to +3. Getting +10 stacks is common for me when playing MOC. With Ult + enemy attacks, he can remain really sp positive. Worst case, he is SP neutral. I only use his E maybe on the start of the fight or during gold and gears. Rarely in MOC after an absolutely busted attack. I think the only case where aventurine would not at least be SP neutral is when we get enemies with busted single target damage or when you bring tingyun and her hidden 999% aggro value. You have to be really unlucky to feel the need to manually refresh his shield.
He benefits from FuA characters ( Ratio, Topaz, Herta, Himeko ). But he doesn't explicitly need other FuA characters. As long as his shield is up, he gets a stack for anyone person hit and two if he gets hit himself ( I think it's 2 for him, I always forget. ) The IRS team + Robin is a very good example of this because of how the team meshes together. Numby provides one and Ratio provides one, that's 2-3 maybe 4 if everything syncs up correctly. I saw Gacha Smack say it's a P2W ( or something similar, I think it was more cost heavy? Idk it's been a min.) garbage. To preference, he didn't call the team itself garbage because he said it does really good. You just have to have a lot of components such as eidolons to get the most out of that team. (Which is really a universal statement because every team preforms better the more eidolons you have. ) but back to the point, I digress. He benefits a lot from that type of team comp because his trace allows other FuA's to contribute but he can very much proc his FuA without others.
If you want to see about Seele and DHIL consistency its better look at "use rate" or "top 10 less cycle" rather than only look who can 0 cycle there we can see who is more easy to use and who is more consistent to get low cycle, not only 1 player get 0 cycle and the rest is 10 or more cycle
9:00 u forgot that fu xuan makes your entire team resist cc once per use of skill and aventurine gives 50% eff res for all teammates. This means that fu xuan is good for aoe attacks that don't one shot and also apply cc. The 50% eff res while decent only gives you a 30% chance of resisting a debuff, to get a better chance of resisting you need to build like another 20-30% eff res on your chars which is a waste of substats for dps
Ways to equate Fu Xuan's sustain to Urine's: * Heal 20% on ult *E1 resets matrix of prescience *Technique lasts 3 turns not 2 *3 party wide cc resist, refreshed after ult * 15% of Xuan's max health to allies. * +10% damage mitigation for every ally over 4.2k hp *7% health increase to Fu xuan per talent proc up to 5x
I got both adventurine and fu xuan. I like using my gir fu a lot! But he’s just better. Like you said bros multiple ways of shield replenishing is ridiculous. She dies easily from big ass aoe attacks while he doesn’t. Plus on them big ass aoe attacks makes him follow up attack more frequently. Fu still good as hell though but he’s just better 😂 and I dont even use the man in his optimal follow up team lol
@Iyoverse can you please make a video on topaz? I feel like she is getting neglected. Yes, she is niche overall, but genuinely, fua is and will probably be a huge arche type like DoT already is and no one calls kafka niche. Idk, I just feel like she's still underrated af.
Baby girl has been getting neglected since her launch banner. I'm working on something to talk about her now though so should happen before she leaves the banner!
Have to do say one thing. I have installed the game a month ago by the advice of my boyfriend who has been playing for a year. So for funsies I decide to pull for an aventurine. Basically, first 20 pulls. I get aventurine and his first eidolon. Crazy luck, I know. And I pulled tingyun somewhere around that corner. Plus I got ratio for free and also got guinaifen. As my boyfriend put it, in two weeks of playing I got a better account than him in his whole year. I wasn’t struggling ONCE with my half-arsed builds at all for one reason and one reason only - Aventurine is the Acheron of shields. Plain and simple
Nah the Seele statement is wild af. Raw damage is pointless unless its e0S0 no relics. Seele falls haaaaaaaaard there. Also that argument is flawed since it actively ignores this is a Team game The reason Dhil is their is ONLY because of Sparkle thats all. Seele NEEDS more character slots and thats why shes lower since its a less flexible team comp
Keep in mind, when comparing the MoC statistics, that Acheron was I believe the only character who was shown to use no sustain teams, that's why she had the 0 cycles and other characters didn't. People are still on the honeymoon phase, so they use her a lot over other characters, so the other characters don't really have the required number of uses for the sustainless runs to be recorded. Acheron is strong, she is not that strong. She's barely ahead of the other damage dealers and right now it could be said, that it's because of the turbolence buffs and lightning weaknesses helping her get ahead of the other damage dealers. The statistics also show the combined total of cycles from both teams, so they don't really represent what characters actually get. For example, if the player cleared in 10 cycles, one team could've clearead in 0-10 and the other in 0-10, there's too many variables.
I got gepard Lc twice on standard within 20 pulls and later pulled Aventurine as my first 5* sustain. CD body and speed boots. Man does it all dude it's unreal, SP, gets targeted more. And since my NOW E5 CLARA (game won't give me any other spooks) i kept rolling for FUA support like Topaz. Topaz Aventurine Ratio is a TOTALLY different game man.
Aventurine is not a reliable debuffer. You’re too used to his LC I think - this is why Trend Gepard is still the best sustain for Acheron in many cases, because he will give more debuffs. I’d be curious to see your damage with Aventurine using a f2p LC, since the second half of the video you’re talking about how it has to be s0e0 to evaluate but seemingly only talking about s1 Aventurine when comparing to other sustains. Don’t get me wrong - I am very glad I have Aventurine and think he’s amazing. But you’re also overhyping him. I’d love to be proven wrong though, because I don’t see anywhere near the damage you’re saying he can do (again, if we are really talking about e0s0). If you’re *not* talking about s0 then the argument falls apart for more than one reason but even just to give one example Huohuo with s1 sustains remarkably better since any ult is regaining hp. That’s why I’m curious to see some clarifications.
E0S0 Aventurine I don’t inherently use for DMG and actually use that very same Trend LC or Gepard’s to increase his aggro. His DMG on those teams comes from getting hit and trying to trigger FUAs as much as possible since he’s not on the IPC Emergency team. Since I have them, I often use LCs in association with whatever build or team I’m going for to get the job done. Like right now my Aventurine, specifically for this Seele stuff, is rocking a 4pc Knight’s set so I can keep shields as long as possible and save SP.
aventurine's damage is ass without his signature lightcone he literally loses like 50% of his dmg without it. I can definitely see aventurine being comparable to blade in terms of dps with his lightcone though
Tbh i use both Aventurine and Fu xuan in my team. I have acheron but i will never be able to max out or utilize her dps with no eidolons - my main dps swivels between Clara and Jingliu. My team comp consists of Fu Xuan, Aventurine, Clara, Robin. Just by Fu Xuan, and Robin existing, I get 15% Crit, damage reduction, 60% total Crit DMG and 9% team DMG. My Clara gets so much crap from this team while having sustain that except for just one SIM Universe i just breeze through all of it. Aventurine just helps Fu Xuan in what she lacks in aoe and dot mitigation for me while giving damage in the process. Once aventurines banner comes back i’m going to get his E1 for another 30% Crit Dmg. I’m currently at lvl 65 Rank, and i’m doing just fine - some of my damage does does suffer sometimes but this is mostly due to substat issues. I am working on that. Going to use this same aventurine/fu xuan damage/stat combo for other damage carries in the future.
I personally after trying Both out, I feel They are on equal terms. Adventurine is Weak to Heavy single target Sustaining. If one character keeps getting hit and there's no AOE happening ,then he is forced to use his Skill or ult to save that character. Fu can continuously Save characters So long as she is alive. Also the guaranteed Effect resist on fu is amazing, in case a heavy CC like Domination goes through the 50% of adventurine. Adventutine on the other hand gives u a 50% chances to resistant multiple instances of dot which can help u again that. 50% is Not as well as huohou multiple clenses but better than nothing. So all 3 have their ups and downs
4:35 i don't think Aventurine (boss) stomps Fu Xuan, but definitely requires certain gimmick to manage this problem, like make sure that she can ult when he calls those dices whenever she uses ult there, she will gain another talent charge and the "Bet" will make sure that her ult is maxed for the next gamble, specially in the 2nd phase sure, she will stop being slightly sp positive to neutral, or even negative, to keep up with his 2-turn dice rotation, but its all about adapting with the options that you have at the moment the main Weakness of Fu Xuan is that she needs to fill her ult to stay alive and that her skill doesn't stop DoTs, which is why is her weakness against the Swarm: DoTs and not much energy from taking hits her strenght is more against big, or fast, single target hits, like against that monkey and the fact that he has more teamwide buff value compared with him while Aventurine has, as strenght, the fact that he benefits to fight against enemies that relies on AoE damage, so he can charge his follow-up faster and the fact that he has built-in team Effect Res against DoTs edit: and has the damage but his weakness is exactly where Fu Xuan excels: single target nuke damage, he can't use recharge the shield if the team doesn't take multiple, scattered hits, which starts to make him SP negative to compensate against such thing
I really only started actually playing HSR when Acheron released, and when I got Aventurine and his LC, i've been super thankful for that investment. He has genuinely been one of the best investments I have made for my account. Tbh, him and Acheron really carry my account. Before him, I did not have any limited sustain units.
FX been carrying for awhile but Aventurine is amazing. money >>> meta thou I can clear so im not spending on the sus gambler. I actually want to roll for more Gallagher dupes ngl
12:28 exactly and with the whole firefly/Sam thing alot of people are saying she's mid or does horrible damage like bruh she does alot of damage it's just people have acheron brainrot if a new DPS unit isn't doing acheron damage or higher oh there automatically mid and need to be buffed
There are even some "dreams" of her team outperforming DHIL, JL and even Acheron vs enemies that are not innately weak to fire but is innately weak to the other dps' element.
Her damage is not bad but some people focus too incredibly hard on Damage per Screenshot. Over the course of her ult Firefly does an incredible amounts of damage
I have aventurine and fuxuan. Both without sig, as the tier list says... Aventurine is a lot harder to hit 4k def and wont shield that much without spending points he will not save your team with just Fua shields, also does waaay less dmg because you just cant go full dps build! About fuxuan, many times i ask myself how can she die... even big aoe dmgs wont kill her, mine is very well builded already, the only problem i find is longer fights because squish characters like silverwolf start dying... also, sam figh was a pain in the ass, ny solution to that was acheron as dps, like i said problem is longer fighs and acheron did the job.
Idk about how Iyo builds his Fu Xuan but mine is capable of surviving the new weekly boss' (not stating name to avoid spoilers for others) Edit: Also, that Aventurine SP infinite is a load of bullcrap. While he is SP positive, even with 4k def, i still find myself the need to re-cast his skill since some of my other units had their shield down in several cases. Edit 2: Bruh, build ur jing yuan before saying those stuff. Like holy, that Jing Yuan take vs Aventurine in terms of damage is so bad. JY is definitely doing more than Aventurine in terms of damage. What? Did u just include Topaz LC + E1 and Robin E1+Ult+Skill THEN Aventurine LC and compared it with ur "average" JY using Breakfast and only TY as the support? I havent seen an Aventurine FUA hitting for 100k. Not even 50k.
Honestly i kind of hate tier list in a game where your luck on relic drops + relic rolls and how built (talent+light cone+eidolons) your character may be determines everything. You can say "here's the data" all day, but everyone will literally have a different experience depending on their account. I feel like ranking kits and roles would be less toxic than "these two can zero cycle this specific situation but this one is better because of a slightly higher dmg multiplier", but that's just my take 😮💨
So that is why investment is a factor in this tier list, as well as why they exclude signature light cones and constellations on 5 stars. With all these factors, it is much more relatable to rank these characters. Hitting 134 speed on a character for example which is standard is not hard at all. Hitting 165 and over? Oh yeah that's absurd. Possible, but you need God tier rng. I'm assuming this list presumes you have the basic standard on the character in question. 4k def on aventurine for example, or Hitting break effect threshold on Ruan Mei aren't hard and is pretty standard. This is why the offensive aventurine argument I feel is flawed, because that requires insane investment and rng to do well. Most players won't do that, and is why I assume fu xuan and aventurine are the same tier. But yeah, of course some people will have like 70 crit rate and 200 crt dmg and perfect speed and crap. That's unrealistic, but even the most unlucky players in the world should manage a decent ratio on there relic stats. Hell my clara barely has 40 crit rate but still beats end game content fine. It is what it is though.
Aventurine vs fu xuan sounds so weird to take about since there are too many scenarios Fu xuan will fall short. That being said aventurine isn't perfect either. But E1 fixes him his up effective shield uptime (percentages) so you can be sp positive. (in most scenarios) . If new moc 12 was an indicator enemy damage put will clear shields faster forcing him to skill more often. If the shield uptime can't keep up; that will be a problematic scenario. Without needing to branch out to other limitations. (stacked dot, others being cc’d) BUT for now, he's the closed to that “fit in multiple scenarios sustainability yet offers offensive support in a timely manner.
@@grammysworld5449 Bronya is always a good pick. She's ROUGHLY on par with Sparkle because they both have AA on skill for a unit. However, her most notable pairings are usually Jingliu, I think Blade despite where he is rn, probably Seele ( I don't have Seele since I started back in 2.0 ) but Bronya will always be a good pick. That's why no one really loses their shit if they lose a 50/50 to her because she really does only get better ( Go figure lol. ) with eidolons.
@@grammysworld5449 For sure. I dropped Bronya early because I didn't really get much out if her early on. But now that I'm caught up with the game's story and actively building characters now, she's at the very least in my top 3-5 to build from everyone I have.
Huohuo for cleanse and energy but you probably have lynx from pure fiction who can do it for now I think Preservation will grant allies res in the future and Abundance will grant cleanse cause if Preservation can grant cleanse then Abundance will just become useless Side note: break meta just came and if you have e2 Gallagher ( he's really good which for some reason he basically have 100% res) then you don't need a sustainer. Hell if you want to just bash things with your face, Robin is in the game now. She make your characters 100% action forward. Enemies can't hurt you if they don't have a turn that technically a sustainer
Really depends on what your account looks like. You have Aventurine so theoretically you can skip Fu Xuan and wait for HouHou ( Simply because Luocha already had his rerun with Acheron ). But, you're not necessarily shooting yourself in the foot if you do go for Fu Xuan. That opens up your potential second team with a good sustain in where you can't slot in Aventurine or vise versa. Rn, I run Aventurine and Luocha together, not because they compliment each other in any way but more so for while I'm farming for mats to build someone or because I don't have someone built yet ( in my case, that someone is 2 people because I haven't started working on Robin and have to work on Ratio as well. )
@@pokedude3221 Not bad. Jingliu and Fu Xuan will be the most notable part of that team because of Jingliu taking hp from everyone else on the team once she's in her spectral transmigration state. AFAIK, you'd have to keep up with Fu Xuan's stacks for her heals since Jingliu's hp taken can add up really quick if the enemies aren't dead yet. That's why Gallagher and Luocha are good in her comps because Luocha just exists and heals and Gallagher ( after ult I believe ) achieves the same value. If you want a sub DPS that REALLY meshes well with Jingliu specifically, Blade if you have him. Blade loves losing hp for his dmg and Jingliu does just that and actively gives Blade a stack towards his follow up.
I'm sick of hearing people downgrading Aventurine damage. I mean he really CAN outperform some of the DPS chars. But to be fair we should say that he NEEDS his sig LC for hitting those numbers. And It doesn't mean he needs sig LC for sustaining his team.
This is getting old. Jing Yuan is not the greatest dps in the game, but you exaggerate so bad with your bias against him. Aventurine is fantastic, but he is not doing the same or more damage than Jing Yuan. Let's be fr.
Hsr really making these sustain decisions very hard. I wanted to get either fuxuan or houhou but the "powercreep" is so real. I also have gepard and Gallagher but there are times I'd like that extra edge that the limited sustains offer. I'll probably end up trying for fuxuan and if I lose the 50/50 I'll try for hou hou, and if aventurine rolls again and not power crept I'll get him?
They'd have to make a sustain that either competes directly with Aventurine or offers something just as valuable. A new sustain would either need cracked shields for lower investment than some would need for Aventurine or bring something like giga cracked dmg red.
I’m currently going through the vid rn, but I kinda separate Fu Xuan and Aventurine when it comes to what they’re good at really. Like it may sound odd at first, but I have Fu Xuan being the best when it comes to damage mitigation and Aventurine being the best shielder
My biggest push for Aventurine being better then FuXuan is that Aventurine has teams that he is objectively better foe then FuXuan. (Ignoring elemental weakness because that can be a factor) Aventurine is better in follow up teams as well as Acheron teams (and for any future character that needs debuffs). The only team that FuXuan is "better" in is mono quantum, but that is not because she is actually better she just matches the element and that Silver Wolf inflicts quantum weakness.
Legit, the FREE SHIELD on entering battle was a major reason I pulled for Avi (outside of story reasons, ofc 😅) Fu Xuan I still want, though, due to instant mitigation. HuoHuo has been super helpful in target cleansing, but she eats up skill points a bit too much.. (still love you, tho, HuoHuo)
I have E0S0 aventurine. I have him in every team I make that I can even conceive with my account. He benefits heavily on having enemies attack multiple people at once (Like the lantern fish) I have had him do 3 FoAs in one cycle because of that benefit alone. The only thing I am not a fan of atm is the lack of damage reduction as is for me, But to be fair that would be kinda crazy. Even funnier, The stacked shield persists in its entirety as long as it is reapplied before disappearing. (I.E if aventurine gets multiple turns where the enemy doesn't do much damage or any damage, every 2 turns he can reapply the shield and it will either increase it up to 200% or keep the 200% if it is already at it.) I didn't think I would like him because with shoddy relic investment, he does no damage and no real good shielding. But with a good - subpar set. He gets a lot better depending on how you build him. I run 2pc FoA 2pc Shield and right now my best bet is to either replace the 2pc FoA with divers that doesn't have the def% or with a different FoA set that doesn't have def% (the 2pc FoA are hands and hat) as he is at 4.5k def at the current moment.
The only situation in the entire game where Aventurine "smokes" Fu Xuan at sustain is aoe bosses in high conundrum gold and gears because that was made for shields to be required. Both Fu and Aventurine just stand there and protect the team without doing anything in MoC. As for utility, giving crit rate to your actual dps is better than the mediocre damage Aventurine does(especially without his LC which is not factored in in the tier list) and Fu's debuff resist is better than the effect resist from Aventurine. You're actually fucking high if you're arguing a e0s0 Aventurine is doing the same damage as Jing Yuan. Jing Yuan is mid af but that's straight cap. And lmfao at him doing as much damage as Argenti. Your ability to say stupid shit so confidently is incredible.
I think you are not being objective enough to be able to claim this. I stopped using Fu Xuan after getting him for many reasons. Also found out that cc were never a big thing with Aventurine's partial/total effect res. Crit rate is good but that's it on Fu for me. Aventurine does many good things, Shields (SU friendly), AOE protection & counter, flexibility of SP/refreshing the shields when needed, debuffs, toughness bar reduce, damage, FUA and Acheron innate synergy. Fu is not bad but just saying she beats Aventurine just because of the one time cc thing and crit buff is bias.
@@Zer0Hour17 Well instead of Crit Rate Aventurine gives Crit DMG. And his effect resistance has a 100% uptime, like his shield. And in pure terms of sustain he just straight up prevents damage from your team which Fu Xuan can't, so based on pure sustain he is indeed better. And whether or not he adds some damage potential is honestly just a side note at that point.
In what world do Aventurine and Fu Xuan do the same thing? Aventurine PREVENTS the entire team from taking damage, not just mitigate it, and he offers Effect RES to the entire team for the entire duration of his shield without needing a single skill point. And that is ignoring all the other things he can do on top of that.
skipped aventurine because i need a strong ice dps so i pulled jingliu but i will surely prioritize aventurine on his rerun even though i have fu xuan and huo huo. his kit is just so good but i have to get my teams checked first. i only need sam, topaz and aventurine and a future strong quantum dps and my account is complete.
I have Aventurine at e2s1 and at that point , he becomes a buffer, a debuffer , a dps and a sustain and he never uses sp. The dude is as broken as Ruan Mei. He hit like 100k+ in MoC , like wth. He + Ruan Mei alsone can destroy most MoC
I feel like people need to hear that they still have cracked asf units if they have Fu Xuan and Luocha instead of super cracked Aven and Huo just because people either get too attached to their units or dont want to believe that they had a bad investment when really (most likely) one day both Huo Huo and Aven will probably see a unit that can do things better anyway. In any case I see extreme value in Fu Xuan and Aven anyway and the argument IS there for one over the other in terms of future proof (since you know a shield ignoring enemy will be implemented one day fo sho). Not saying you don't recognize and highlight other strengths but some people just see the flat tier number or letter and say "mid" for being like 5% worse.
Midyuan mains forget what the definition of dps is. Bro has one big hit once per cycle. All other dps characters hit 3-4 times in that time and in total deals more damage. If LL could be advanced forward then it would be different. But his big damage just comes way too slow.
I would say that Aventurine, Fu Xuan, and Huo Huo are all equal. They all exceed in an area that the others lack, and they all have a specialty for sustaining. Fu Xuan does suffer against big AoE attacks but those arent too common outside of SU which isnt a factor on the list. Huo Huo and Aventurine do sometimes struggle against multiple instances of single target damage especially when they arent the ones being hit. Which is definitely more common in MoC. Overall i do value Fu's crit rate more than aventurine's dmg but they are both about equal.
@Iyoverse I don't have a second limited sustain. So it gives me slightly more reason to pull for fu xuan aswell. Minus me just having a biased like for her and I'm a QQ enjoyer.
It’s mostly that he can sustain just as well or better. Practically never worse. Furthermore he still has a crit buff, even if not nearly as good as Fu’s while still able to put out decent dps numbers depending on build.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Sure he is better at AoE scenarios but FX is just better against single target considering Aventurine doesn’t have a high aggro like Gepard. His shield per ally can’t be as good as fu xuan’s mitigation
@@flyingcucumber9325 In theory sure, but almost every enemy encounter will have an aoe (meaning aven will probably proc his shield regen). Not to mention he can just skill to get over a 2000 hp shield. You’re not really going to have an enemy burst through that. While Fu seemingly does struggle in certain forms of content that no one is saying aven does. Biggest complaint I’ve seen is that he can’t be played super sp positive outside of the ipc team. That’s why is sustain is at least as good. Add everything else and it’s why he’s considered better.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Yeah but I mean I don't think Fu is struggling in MoC or PF. She is still as comfortable as the first day. The only place I see a difference is SU and we still have to get lots of preservation blessings for that (by that time other shielders became op too)
I've always been using a friend's Fu Xuan and it obviously helped, seeing as I never pulled for an abundance/preservation. After months of using her, I found out she was E6S1. And then, my friend decided to switch out Fu Xuan with Aventurine, but to my surprise, Aventurine was better at supporting, so I thought to myself: "Aventurine has to be at least E6S1". On god, I was so far from the truth. He was E2S1 and he felt way safer to use than the E6S1 Fu Xuan
Bro i call that CAP. Do you even know what E2 FX does? Also how do you feel safer farming Calix? Relics? If u tell me that u feel safer with Aventurine I'll call that CAP, no if u were using FX as Sustain/DMG dealer then yes Aventurine feels a lot better now he can carry u Calix/relics farming way ez because FX needs the ult to clear the Waves.
@@kurokamionce1802 are you slow or just trying to be ignorant? I refuse to believe you've played the game if you think you can only use supports in Calix. There is something called Echo of War, and with Lynx, I have to watch the game because she uses her ult when she doesn't need to. But with both Fu Xuan and Aventurine, I don't need to even care about what's happening, because I know they'll survive. Aventurine's damage is also so high above Fu Xuan that the Echo of War boss dies faster. It's actually so simple if you had the brain cells to even think for 2 seconds after reading my comment.
@@PercyBoom69 my bad i don't use support never so i didn't even remember where u can use them, but even then, how can you say that u feel safer with a E2S1 Aventurine when with an E2 FX even if u die u don't, u just want to make a ridiculous claim for the sake of downplay FX. Also point still stands if ur DPS are so dog shit that u were taking minutes to clear I'll see what do you believe Aventurine is better but sustaining was never an issue for E6 FX, she have a revive at E2 and she gains Energy everytime and allies get hit at E4. E2S1 Aventurine does more DMG and make ur teammates do more DMG yeah, at E6 Aventurine completely dunk on FX because he even dunk a lot of DPS while doing his job at sustain. But when we are talking about "safe" neither have a problem against anything in the overworld, cavern, calyx or Echoes of war.
@@PercyBoom69 my bad i don't use support never so i didn't even remember where u can use them, but even then, how can you say that u feel safer with a E2S1 Aventurine when with an E2 FX even if u die u don't, u just want to make a ridiculous claim for the sake of downplay FX. Also point still stands if ur DPS are so dog shit that u were taking minutes to clear I'll see what do you believe Aventurine is better but sustaining was never an issue for E6 FX, she have a revive at E2 and she gains Energy everytime and allies get hit at E4. E2S1 Aventurine does more DMG and make ur teammates do more DMG yeah, at E6 Aventurine completely dunk on FX because he even dunk a lot of DPS while doing his job at sustain. But when we are talking about "safe" neither have a problem against anything in the overworld, cavern, calyx or Echoes of war.
@@kurokamionce1802 Fu Xuan's revive is nice, if you're dying. Aventurine prevents death even better than Fu Xuan because of the constant shield, especially against Echo of War bosses because they usually attack everyone. Fu Xuan getting energy faster is obviously nice, but then again, she only needs to ult to keep her from dying. Aventurine's shield will still just be there. And who said I was struggling with my dps? You're just trying to justify your ignorant way of thinking. I said Aventurine makes it faster, which again, you would've noticed if you managed to read.
Agreed with Fu Xuan vs. Aventurine, she has no business being in the same tier like him. Especially with all the AoE in current MoC. EDIT: But if Jiaoqiu leaks are correct, they will play well together.
The problem with seele is that if you haven't farmed a quantum dungeon for half a year, your seele just won't have the damage to kill minions on the 12th floor for 1 single skill (not taking into account a cringe party with 3 supports). and if the seele doesn't kill minions for 1 skill, it becomes complete garbage (that's how 99.9% of hsr players have the seele). The ease of assembling the character should also factor into the character's grade. That's why Dot pati are so often used, people don't want to spend half of their life wearing seele.
Outside of cr and damage reduction, Fu doesn't do anything else. I rather use Aven and you'll never take damage anyway, so the heal from Fu's burst isn't even a point against Aven and help chip away some hp instead of just standing there. Long story short, Fu got benched, HARD for me. She's even relic less now. But at the end of the day, just use who you have... Fu is more comfy, but Aven for more results
Aventurine is incredible, yes. I didn't pull him as I have Luocha and Fu Xuan, and I'm not a fan of its casino design and animation, but for those who don't have them he was unmissable in my opinion. Prioritizing design and animation over meta, I passed. However, I may be interested in a leak of a character that could be part of the preservation, as I liked the principle of her alpha kit, so we'll see.
I'll say it, Huohuo is the best sustainer NOT because she sustains the best but because she brings way more value than any of the other 2, she is wayy more versatile and her cleanse is literally insane. She has her drawbacks and is not EASIER or COMFIER to use than them so people would rather just go for Aventurine or Fu Xuan but a teamwide 40% atk buff + a 20% ER is insane, and even more with Robin who just came out and highly benefits from Huohuo's ult.
I personally played both fuxuan and aventurine in every end game content and aventurine is ridiculously strong. I never uses his skill even in floor 12 and he still sustains comfortably. Fuxuan is good but not even close to aventurine in sustaining. I personally think he should be above fuxuan at everything
FuXuan is the best for beginners and people who has problem building units. But when you get past that beginner state Aventurine is better. Aventurine offers more in helping team finish any content faster. The thing is protection is not that big deal anymore but how u add up something to the team while having no problem sustaining. Dont forget, MoC and PF getting higher and higher hp almost every patch. U need extra damage.
In the tier list the characters talent in level 8 and ralices with 2 roles in need states crit states in DPS so higer investment do not apply but I'm still waiting for your video about it
Only thing I dont agree with is Dan slander I tried 3 different times on imaginary weak stages Dan,Ting,Aven,SW and then the Dr.ratio version both on the herta lightcones e0 and Dan cleared faster each time my ratio build is also better than my Dan's I would say. This is also more of a ratio team
Fuxuan is probably the most glazed unit in the game. Shes decent but not god tier like everyone makes her out to be. Just look at the bis sustain for each team comp. For fua, aventurine is by far the best sustain, for dot teams, huohuo is by far the bis support, for high sp cost teams such as dhil teams, ghallager and luocha both out performer fuxuan, for break teams, ghallager out performs fuxuan. When it comes to normal hypercarry teams, fuxuan is bis, but i would say huohuo is performs just aswell, for acheron teams aventurine is bis.
Nah, Fu Xuan with little investment performs just fine. With good investment, she's great. She's not worse than Aventurine, sorry. At worst she's the same level as him. She's been a game changer since her release, and continues to be invaluable.
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Aventurine shields are nice but using Aventurine in Auto feels unsafe compared to Fu Xuan. In MoC I can safely put Fu and expect 3* with Aventurine even on floor 11 Auto managed to lose a character cause Aventurine AI is Dumb and don't skill enough.
So for AUTO Fu > Aventurine. Personally with Fu Xuan you lose only when your DPS suck while with Aventurine RNG can triple focus on 1 teammate and your Shield+HP is not enough so you lose a star in MoC.
I saw it Get taken down was like, "oh, my boy was cooking to heavy!"
On investment i disagree. Fuxuan with 0 relics or LC will still take in 65% of the teams dmg and still reduce the overal dmg the team takes and only gets better with relics. Aventurine needs his relics and def investment to be able to produce useful shields.
On utility, objectively, 12% Crit Rate is just better than 15 C.DMG.
Debuff immunity for the party is just better than 50% effect res. On this it depends how many debuffs are being thrown at you but still.
Aven shits on FX in dmg but aside from DMG Aven doesnt provide much Utility aside from CDMG buff and Effect Res.
Also on sustaining, they both get fucked with getting attacked frequently. If the dmg receieved exceeds the shield your hp will drop amd Aven has no way of bringing it back up at all. So it becomes a mattwr of time before someone dies. FuXuan only has that problem in massive nuke type attacks and if they sirvive she can slowly bring them back.
I think they are both in the same tier in sustaining but FuXuan has more utlility at normal investment.
On everything else I agrre bro. Good shit
No frequent attacks benefit aven
This is absolutely a good discussion to have a back and forth. I think both of them are strong contenders which is why the topic was even addressed so strongly, but I see exactly where you're coming from there.
I'd have to say in today's Star Rail, that Effect Res is way too good to pass up on. Especially against enemies like the new Violin lady who can sleep your entire team. The debuff does nothing if my DMG dealers are asleep, y'know?
12% Cr. Rate is awesome, but it's gotten to a point where I just build the crit values better. That beings said, I'd still value that more than the Cr. DMG vulnerability, but I was more so looking at Aven's utility as the DMG he brings alongside the team, not his Cr. DMG vul.
I have not seen Aventurine get body rocked yet on being attacked often cause he just puts the shield up before it expires or after. lol That man has perma shields! Fu Xuan loses to massive nukes, DoT, and repetitive bullying. Aventurine does not have a major drawback to any attacks so far.
On the side note of investment though, I was going off Prydwen's criteria. They are looking at 0 relics, low investment, etc. To my understanding these are optimal builds without (at most) sig LCs.
@@boringstudent0691 i miss spoke there i was refering to Dot that hits frequently but doesnt trigger Aven FUA. But also Nuke attacks. They both suck at those but FX had a way of bringing some of thay HP back to some degree is what I meant
@@Iyoverse I can agree to that
" If the dmg receieved exceeds the shield your hp will drop amd Aven has no way of bringing it back up at all."
What do you mean? Aven brings back shield by using skill, you just rarely need to do that, or getting to 7 points which as someone else said, frequent attacks benefit Aven as that's the main way he gains points aside from getting lucky off ult.
To be fair, as a Blade Enjoyer, I’m not mad about him being Mid. I’m just patently waiting for his buff from either relics or new character to help him lol
I deleted an entire paragraph because I thought you meant aventurine is mid
@@JJ-mn3nd he is pretty mid if you already have 2 decent sustains and is not interested in having the FuA premium team (IRS team).
For new accounts and players needing a sustain he is great, otherwise it's a pretty useless pull imo
@@JJ-mn3nd LOL
you buff your 5 stars by getting their eidolons and weapons. if you have those they stay relevant much longer, and at max eidolons they'll remain till the game shuts down.
tbh I'm not sure if he will ever get a good buff since he is so dependent on hp and his dmg isn't super high even with e1. Maybe if there is a support that increases the amount of hp a character has by a lot?
If your Fx dies outside SU and GnG your Fx is just trash. Moc enemies can't beat the shit out of Fx.
Facts. Outside SU and GnG, my team never dies with fu xuan on the field. If your fu or team dies then that's a skill issue imo or should I say a very relatable fu xuan xD
@@MisturTentacles Yeah they're yapping their Fx dies in Moc probably a build issue with high Hp build but lower defense.
She can pretty much die in current MoC 12 side 2, if she gets stunlocked. She'll survive longer than anyone else though (besides Gepard who has self-res).
As i said if your Fx dies your Fx is trash. My Fx has 7500 hp, 2k def, 40 Spd and 50 Eff res I don't even have her sig lc but she didn't experience dying outside SU or Moc. The ones saying their Fx dies in Moc is just bad at building her and she's not that hard to build lol.
@@shjinriven3408 did you even experienced current MoC 12 half 2? Being stunlocked for 5-6 turns without ability to refresh stacks is enough for any FX to die under Kafka's AOE. Yours 7500 hp, 2k one won't last for 3 turns though.
Me with my 10k hp fu xuan that's never died outside swarm and gng: "skill issue"
Real ones know this is a reupload
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fr? I just looked at the sus thumbnail and had to click on it 💀 even tho I don't have any plans to pull for her
Sus? It's accurate in multiple ways, Adventurine does more damage than Fu Xuan and as far as sustain, Adventurine prevents damage.
@@THEBeastGohan sus meaning, fu blushing hard
As someone that likes aventurine a lot and thinks he's an amazing sustain, you are absolutely exagerating the difference between him and Fuxuan. The only place he's noticebly more confortable is in sim uni if you run him in preservation, they are basically identical in other situations, heck, if you run into strong hitting enemies, that "sp positive" of his goes out the window and he becomes sp neutral.
Also, in terms of dot, both struggle. Fuxuan takes more damage, Avneturine's shields gets shredded. Yes, he has that 50% effect res but just like pulling characters, a 50/50 is still ass and even if you have effect res on your supports, your dps will probably still end up the biggest victim since he'll have next to no other effect res outside of that 50/50.
Edit ; ok, now this is either satire or you've got the whole "spender unrelatability", for players that don't have aventurine's LC, you CHOOSE between making him a good sustain or having him do "eh" damage.
You out here describing a E6 aventurine with that "he sustains better than Fuxuan AND he does as much damage as Blade and Argenti"
Not to mention he struggles when allies taking too much turns, for example E2 DHIL + Sparkle, or Jingliu + Bronya, cuz they lost the shield after 3 turns.
I feel like while Fu Xuan still isnt bad now. The endgame content is favoring Aventurine with so many imaginary weakness in the upper floors of MoC so he contributes a lot to toughness breaking and damage while also sustaining with his shields. Both are still really good sustain options and provide different things in addition to their sustain
You simply cannot use the prydwen recorded stats to make any kind of point. If you want to, then you must also accept that topaz hypercarry is a better dps than acheron, which is flat out absurd. The way the data is filtered is imparting tons of bias into that number that requires explaining far beyond what the unit's strength and capabilities are.
honestly it feels like a bit of an issue on fu xuan build if you are having issues with aventurine boss with fu xuan, she is capable of sustaining into it fine and dice should not be able to ever KO while giving you a free ult refund when you use it in dice phase too.
fu xuan to me is the only sustain that can actually just completely brain off sustain every single piece of non g&g content without any risk of death like ever (unless you are taking far more turns vs swarm than you should be). aventurine sustain is definitely still great but its definitely not at 100% levels of reliability, when played completely sp positive on non follow up teams his ability to refresh shields is definitely nowhere near as perfect as you claim, this can lead to issues when you are facing ST content or blast content that decides to DD on a different unit and easily get through ur shields, ST content especially means stack generation is a bit fucked too. its still good though but like this isn't at the same levels of immortal protection in any way.
what makes aventurine like 100% comfortably better and deserving of an extra tier is 100% the fact that he has relevant damage, provides similar buffs (and has access to stuff like his s1 too), debuffs for like acheron, and the fact that he can absolutely be played completely sp positive. in practice though a 100% sp positive playstyle on non fua teams does mean that you may have to reset because there are genuine risks of death sometimes, but its a fairly small price since it shouldnt happen often still and you can still commit to having to spend sp occasionally to make it even more ideal.
No matter how godly your build is, fu is guarenteed to die in longer fights eg. Aven and sam
@@keme1770 ?? No way. Aventurine Boss is not hard to sustain with even if you take 20 cycles. Just don't ult with Fu Xuan unless it is dice phase and you get infinite reheals.
SAM is a more annoying boss cause you are deliberately causing damage to yourself and the small bit of healing is nerfed. Aventurine is is certainly better for that. But he is literally the worst boss in the game to have Fu Xuan against if you are going to take a long time, and only one boss.
@@keme1770skill issue mine don't die on him with 4 star lc
who tf reading this shit . 😂
Your Aventurine is doing JY numbers per cycle 🤨, I'd like to see that in action.
Same lol, I have both Aventurine and JY E0 S1 and that sounds crazy to me
@@keneunaegbu851take off the lc and you’ll seen😂
@@Kayfliings no not at all do u not know the dmg difference between lc and no lc
Maybe he sends out the poor general naked, all alone 😂
@@GhostyBoi119ts Aventurine literally needs his sig lc to do good dmg bruh at least try to hide your bias
Powercreep is nuts in this game. Happy I don’t spend because everything gets outclassed so fast. For me, Fu Xuan is best because she’s classy and Pink. Aventurine can’t even afford a full shirt. Come on now.
Boob windows!
Power creep doesn't exist in this game the games not hard enough to have real power creep
Best sustain in the game >>>>> whatever classy and pink is supposed to be 😭
Just accept the fact that he's better
What I was looking for. It's fun how pretty much every character I pulled for got almost instantly powercrept.
@an1sXD Boothill rn is probably the most busted ,f2p, and easy af to build dps rn. Im so excited for him
13:02 I do agree with that, his damage is in the follow up comp (ratio topaz robin) has similar performance to another dps, not to the same level as the 5* options (jing yuan/blade) but his damage does make a significant difference, f2p since launch and got my first ever 0 cycle using this comp
i think the problem with seele is the fact shes so gear dependent. Like if your gear is a little too weak and you dont get the kill on the mob its over, your damage just fell off a cliff and becomes sushang levels.
Yeah I had mentioned that on his tier list video. He was talking about accessibility and relatability and that’s why it made a character good, but then hypes Seele who is the furthest thing from that and requires hyperinvesting to reach potential compared to other dps.
Let’s be real - not everyone is going to farm the QUA set to get insane double crit pieces, especially if they aren’t paying for refreshed.
I think Fu is really good in Single target damage situations while aventurine is for AOE. Like if its turn 1 and one of your characters gets focused theyll shred the armor and take hp that you cant get back. I think Aventurine will see huge problems in his kit if a boss comes out with insane single target damage that can be used twice or is fast af.
We'll pretend we didn't see the other video
Teehee
Fu Xuan's 12% crit rate for the entire team feels so much more universal than what Adventurine brings to the table outside of follow up teams. Building him for damage is significantly harder without his signature light cone and Topaz is also boosting him with increased follow up damage and at least 3-4 stacks for his shields a turn, so in non-follow up teams he's not hitting the infinite shield sustain as easy. He's still very strong and deserves to be in Tier 0 too, but Fu Xuan is similar to Ruan Mei in that you just throw her on the team, hit technique for free 12% crit rate just for existing and strong enough sustain for most content outside of Gold and Gears endgame shenanigans.
12% cr really, just roll well dude.
Plus now with super break, DOT & other break DPS characters coming in. 12% CR means even less. Fu Xuan is a premium sustain that can’t sustain in the hardest content (C20 GnG & soon T6) that’s terrible. Sustaining in MOC is cute when you can just bring another harmony and do it even faster anyway. Fu Xuan is a completely fine sustain for casuals who don’t play hard enough content. But she’s not better than Aventurine. (Not that you said she was, it’s just a little ridiculous that people just gloss over the fact a 5* sustainer can’t sustain when they are needed most)
Just neglacting OPenturines op-shields and op-damage + SP-positivity. Openturine is one stage above FX, since you have to cast her skill more often to keep up her heal if extreme ae-damage follows.... be realistic bruh...
FX in the last MOC against Aventurin-Boss as example, is nearly impossible for her to tank all the frequent ae-damage for the team, you could win that fight if your dd's are doin' op-damage and that's nearly only doable with a well-build Acheron.
@@AlucardMM The tier list is literally meant to guide the average player who isn't gonna try hard on stuff like C20 GnG which is nearly impossible for any 5 star sustain to solo outside of Adventurine bc of his reset mechanic. The average player can get a lot of value with 12% crit rate, easily survivig the content they care about and resisting cc, all with low investment. Adventurine has a higher ceiling, no question, but at low investment for casual player the gap aint that big.
@@AlucardMMWhat are y’all builds? Fu Xuan almost never dies in Gold or Swarm if you know what your doing. That might be a build problem.
@@PartherB8 there’s no comparison between the performance of Fu Xuan & Aventurine in C20. Fu Xuan would get nuked by Argenti & killed by DOT stacking by the swarm. Aventurine would not flinch at all. His eff res stops DOTs & his shield stacking is superior. That’s not even an issue of builds, It’s just how she works. Big AOE nukes destroy her and she can’t really benefit from SU buffs where as someone like even Gepard can.
My only concern is how you’re bringing in gng and sim u into a MoC ranking. Anyone can sustain in MoC imo. We should focus more on what they provide buff, dmg etc.
brother I adore aventurine but you are capital GLAZING him rn.
hes only doin that much with s1 and topaz AND ruan mei/robin.
mines throwin 40 to 50ks out on the f2p eff res cone with topaz SOMETIMES
If we're looking at the average player, they're not gonna be high rollin like that
That being said tho he still gaps fu and probably huohuo too and is easily the best solo sustain in the game idk why people can't see that
U forgot to mention harmony mc he can do a lot of dmg and with geopard lc it allows adventurine to output similar numbers as it great in helping him get to 4k defense so u can focus on crit
This just isn't true. I glaze, but I ain't glazing Aventurine. A MAN. LMAO
Prydwen has the data and they aren't using S1. I accomplish the same results without S1 and often change his LC depending on the team, nor do I need Robin/Mei specifically for him. They are awesome, but that's just them. With that same logic, I should be allowed to go around saying Daniel without Sparkle is XYZ and not catch flack, y'know?
40-50k casual DMG is still a GOOD thing. That's not weak at all so for the average player achieving that, yes. That is worth noting and keeping into consideration.
@@Iyoverse yeah most elites in moc 11-12 have 400-500k hp like the auromaton spectral envoy and all new new puppet elites. so that's 10% or more of their hp in one move
My only problem is Aven is that he really sucks if one random teammate gets hyper focused. I have had issues where enemies attacks Topaz 6 times in a row. Even reshielding on aven turn couldn't save her.
That’s why Gepard LC is so good in him
Yeah but evens out as same thing with fu xuan but aoe
The thing is it's still manageable,
Unlike fuxuan aoe kill
That is a problem even if you run Fu Xuan…
Fu has the same problem 😅
18:15 that is so interesting you mentioning BS having energy issues because I play her around her basic atk (123% EHR lezgoo, haha), so I hardly notice; but this is good to know, regardless, whenever I want to further test Arcana/Atk% stacking.
My problem with Aventurine is when the enemies burst one unit. It dies. This never happened to me when using Fu Xuan
I've never had a unit outright die from a quick jab burst. By the time I've had someone's shield run out, Aven's turn has already come around to refresh it. But different experiences for different folks.
NOW I agree.... at first i even thought that Fu Xuan slightly better than Ave. BUT after i use Ave,,, i realize many thing better on aventurine. He's better than Fu
1. As you said, so many shield refill method (skill, follow up, Ulti (with eidolon))
2. He trigger the follow up surprisingly fast, especially if the enemy is AoE user...
3. His ulti increase the follow up count as well
4. The Mass effect res 70 % (thats HUGE) and the one effect per turn immunity for aventurine really powerful, especially (as you said) on the long battle.
5. Effect Res, block Dots (this one Fu dont have, she only on CC debuff)
Most of all, he's FTP friendly, you can still go well even with E0 without sign LC
Thank you for the insight Iyo
Another aspect of his kit that people don’t mention as much as they should is he’s free 50% effect res for everyone with a shield. That’s strong asf cause you don’t need to worry about a cleanse if you don’t get affect with an defuff
And FX provides straight up immunity.
@@0kaiKai One instance of "CC" prevention which can make her need to spam skill against many enemies. Aven Effect Res is ALL kinds of debuffs no matter how many instances.
@@nickarooroo6397 his 50% res isn't that much concidering enemies ehr
@@0kaiKaiaventurine also has CC immunity on himself with a cooldown.
also 50% still is high and it has no cooldown
always happy to see a video from you tho :3
Thank you Honey! :D
Hi, Iyo! Back for some more friendly discourse lmao. Just wanted to touch on something that was mentioned that I don't think you considered in your criteria BUT lets start where we agree lol. My own personal tier list has Seele in T1 and Fu Xuan in T0.5. So, me personally, I agree with a lot of points that you mentioned. Especially under the Prydwen criteria. NOW lets get to where we differ:
Showing MoC Cycles without context is a bit disingenuous but I dont think this was on purpose at all to your defense. Adventurine MoC was REALLY favorable to quantum and Ice DPS and very unfavorable to Imaginary Units. That being said his average clear cycle was still around theirs. This current MoC is more fair to make this comparison. With all that being said, DHIL is doing better than both of them and unlike his peers, he does NOT have two designated limited buffer units that exist to make him deal more damage. He is still using Tingyun, a T1 support. Not saying that this is bad but it is clear DHIL still has substantially room to grow and is still doing better than the units you mentioned. Not only is DHIL's floor higher, his ceiling is also higher. For that reason I would put him in T0.5 with Jingliu.
Also up for some friendly discussion. Love you brother!
These people, you need 2 sustain!! Get them both
Hey Iyo! Always love seeing your takes, but I did want to make a small correction, if I'm not mistaken anyway as I don't have an Aventurine, but when you were talking about his utility, you were saying he debuffs on follow-up attacks, but that's only with his signature lightcone no? Unless I haven't seen something in his kit. It doesn't change much as I think you also included one of Fu's lightcone effects when discussing Fu, but I didn't know if this was a mistake as the discussion included the criteria which excluded limited lightcones.
Edit: Also hey, at least you aren't one of those people I've seen lately saying Jingliu has completely fallen off/ is mid now/ has always actually been mid
Thats the problem with alot of people rn, the word mid is used for anyone who isnt on top, even if theyre 2nd best, theyre still being called mid.
(Sorry, last comment, haha) In regards to Seele, I wonder if players are devaluing her because she is single target? And also powercrept for being our first limited DPS? Like, I can understand that powercreep will ALWAYS be inevitable, especially in a gacha game, but even when I played DHIL for a while, I still believed Seele to be superior because of her Advance Forward that you can juggle with her Ult (defeat enemy, advance forward, skill/basic attack, Ultimate for another KO, advance forward again).
Sure, DHIL has crazy CRD output, but he eats up skill points like nothing without Hanya/Sparkle and needs better speed tuning than Seele. It feels weirdly inefficient to have to run (at worst) 2 supports for DHIL, when Seele can just play in mono-Quantum and have a field day. IDK just my thoughts, and I could also be missing something here outside of DPS/long-term meta utility.
why people have so many arguments between aventurine vs fu xuan? at the end of the day u need 2 sustains for all the content on the game. just use them both, aventurine is my first 5 star sustain and im still gonna get fu xuan as my second one, there is not too much science on it, keep the good work iyo i recently started watching ur videos and i like ur arguments
Can I just say pre watching the video that I'm not even entirely sure why this argument exists when Aventurine is clearly better than her? And not to say that Fu Xuan is bad or anything close to that, but Aventurine is just straight up a more complete character. He is a better sustainer than her when purely discussing sustaining across ALL of the game's challenges, and then what else is there, she has the one time debuff immunity (which aventurine has on himself every other turn mind you) per skill cycle, which is good, even better than the 50% effect res for the whole team when you're not being riddled with debuffs, but when you are it simply does not compete, and the 12% crit rate which is very good, and even better than the 15% cdmg that Aventurine gives, but that's where it ends. Aventurine does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than her, and that 15% cdmg he offers comes in the form of a debuff which then greatly adds to his value for characters who can use debuffs, I truly don't think it's particularly close which of the two is just the better unit.
C1 =30 cd and c2 gets hwr whole team a revive
@@gameexpert133 E1=20% cd and an extra stack of shield on ult and E2=12% all type res reduction on basic, one of these sets of eidolons is very much better than the other
Gotta double up on the crit increase being a debuff thing, not only does it directly benefit certain characters kits (Ratio and Acheron), the literal best 2pc relic effect for a dps character relies on a debuff being on the enemy
@@gameexpert133res penetration + debuff >>
That's what I was saying too even before Aventurine came out. In longer encounters, especially with enemies applying DoTs, Fu Xuan just falls off too hard. Aventurine doesn't, and he provides a sht ton of utility.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but rn the only team in which Fu in bis sustainer is mono quantum. In any other team, Aventurine is just superior, right?
Give it a few patches and maybe some new DoT character that can heavily benefit from Huohuo, and maybe Fu will go down and Huohuo up there with Aventurine.
That's just my opinion tho.
Lost 50/50 on adventurine banner for yanqing. I don't fully understand adventurines kit but doesn't he need teammates that do follow up attacks to supply his follow ups to keep the shield going? For an sp positive setup anyway. If that is the case fu xuan is the better sustainer for my teams since the main follow up attack focused character I have is Dr. Ratio, I have herta cause everyone has her and I do have an E2 himeko the only one of the three I have semi built is herta for a sub dps on my Jingliu team.
What he needs are enemies who do AOE/blast attacks, which are a lot. Each shielded character hit adds +1 to his passive. And most enemies with AOE also attack twice, so 5 marks. The next 2 stacks, not considering FUA, can come from his ult which gives 1 to 7 stacks. Plus, he can get extra stacks up to +10, in those cases, he would return to +3. Getting +10 stacks is common for me when playing MOC.
With Ult + enemy attacks, he can remain really sp positive. Worst case, he is SP neutral.
I only use his E maybe on the start of the fight or during gold and gears. Rarely in MOC after an absolutely busted attack. I think the only case where aventurine would not at least be SP neutral is when we get enemies with busted single target damage or when you bring tingyun and her hidden 999% aggro value. You have to be really unlucky to feel the need to manually refresh his shield.
He benefits from FuA characters ( Ratio, Topaz, Herta, Himeko ). But he doesn't explicitly need other FuA characters. As long as his shield is up, he gets a stack for anyone person hit and two if he gets hit himself ( I think it's 2 for him, I always forget. )
The IRS team + Robin is a very good example of this because of how the team meshes together. Numby provides one and Ratio provides one, that's 2-3 maybe 4 if everything syncs up correctly.
I saw Gacha Smack say it's a P2W ( or something similar, I think it was more cost heavy? Idk it's been a min.) garbage. To preference, he didn't call the team itself garbage because he said it does really good. You just have to have a lot of components such as eidolons to get the most out of that team. (Which is really a universal statement because every team preforms better the more eidolons you have. ) but back to the point, I digress.
He benefits a lot from that type of team comp because his trace allows other FuA's to contribute but he can very much proc his FuA without others.
If you want to see about Seele and DHIL consistency its better look at "use rate" or "top 10 less cycle" rather than only look who can 0 cycle
there we can see who is more easy to use and who is more consistent to get low cycle, not only 1 player get 0 cycle and the rest is 10 or more cycle
9:00 u forgot that fu xuan makes your entire team resist cc once per use of skill and aventurine gives 50% eff res for all teammates. This means that fu xuan is good for aoe attacks that don't one shot and also apply cc. The 50% eff res while decent only gives you a 30% chance of resisting a debuff, to get a better chance of resisting you need to build like another 20-30% eff res on your chars which is a waste of substats for dps
Ways to equate Fu Xuan's sustain to Urine's:
* Heal 20% on ult
*E1 resets matrix of prescience
*Technique lasts 3 turns not 2
*3 party wide cc resist, refreshed after ult
* 15% of Xuan's max health to allies.
* +10% damage mitigation for every ally over 4.2k hp
*7% health increase to Fu xuan per talent proc up to 5x
I got both adventurine and fu xuan. I like using my gir fu a lot! But he’s just better. Like you said bros multiple ways of shield replenishing is ridiculous. She dies easily from big ass aoe attacks while he doesn’t. Plus on them big ass aoe attacks makes him follow up attack more frequently. Fu still good as hell though but he’s just better 😂 and I dont even use the man in his optimal follow up team lol
@Iyoverse can you please make a video on topaz? I feel like she is getting neglected. Yes, she is niche overall, but genuinely, fua is and will probably be a huge arche type like DoT already is and no one calls kafka niche. Idk, I just feel like she's still underrated af.
Baby girl has been getting neglected since her launch banner. I'm working on something to talk about her now though so should happen before she leaves the banner!
@@Iyoverse Thank you homie
Have to do say one thing. I have installed the game a month ago by the advice of my boyfriend who has been playing for a year. So for funsies I decide to pull for an aventurine. Basically, first 20 pulls. I get aventurine and his first eidolon.
Crazy luck, I know. And I pulled tingyun somewhere around that corner. Plus I got ratio for free and also got guinaifen.
As my boyfriend put it, in two weeks of playing I got a better account than him in his whole year.
I wasn’t struggling ONCE with my half-arsed builds at all for one reason and one reason only - Aventurine is the Acheron of shields.
Plain and simple
Nah the Seele statement is wild af. Raw damage is pointless unless its e0S0 no relics. Seele falls haaaaaaaaard there. Also that argument is flawed since it actively ignores this is a Team game
The reason Dhil is their is ONLY because of Sparkle thats all. Seele NEEDS more character slots and thats why shes lower since its a less flexible team comp
Keep in mind, when comparing the MoC statistics, that Acheron was I believe the only character who was shown to use no sustain teams, that's why she had the 0 cycles and other characters didn't. People are still on the honeymoon phase, so they use her a lot over other characters, so the other characters don't really have the required number of uses for the sustainless runs to be recorded. Acheron is strong, she is not that strong. She's barely ahead of the other damage dealers and right now it could be said, that it's because of the turbolence buffs and lightning weaknesses helping her get ahead of the other damage dealers.
The statistics also show the combined total of cycles from both teams, so they don't really represent what characters actually get. For example, if the player cleared in 10 cycles, one team could've clearead in 0-10 and the other in 0-10, there's too many variables.
I got gepard Lc twice on standard within 20 pulls and later pulled Aventurine as my first 5* sustain.
CD body and speed boots. Man does it all dude it's unreal, SP, gets targeted more. And since my NOW E5 CLARA (game won't give me any other spooks) i kept rolling for FUA support like Topaz.
Topaz Aventurine Ratio is a TOTALLY different game man.
What exactly will you go over in seele's video?
Aventurine is not a reliable debuffer. You’re too used to his LC I think - this is why Trend Gepard is still the best sustain for Acheron in many cases, because he will give more debuffs.
I’d be curious to see your damage with Aventurine using a f2p LC, since the second half of the video you’re talking about how it has to be s0e0 to evaluate but seemingly only talking about s1 Aventurine when comparing to other sustains.
Don’t get me wrong - I am very glad I have Aventurine and think he’s amazing. But you’re also overhyping him. I’d love to be proven wrong though, because I don’t see anywhere near the damage you’re saying he can do (again, if we are really talking about e0s0).
If you’re *not* talking about s0 then the argument falls apart for more than one reason but even just to give one example Huohuo with s1 sustains remarkably better since any ult is regaining hp. That’s why I’m curious to see some clarifications.
E0S0 Aventurine I don’t inherently use for DMG and actually use that very same Trend LC or Gepard’s to increase his aggro. His DMG on those teams comes from getting hit and trying to trigger FUAs as much as possible since he’s not on the IPC Emergency team.
Since I have them, I often use LCs in association with whatever build or team I’m going for to get the job done. Like right now my Aventurine, specifically for this Seele stuff, is rocking a 4pc Knight’s set so I can keep shields as long as possible and save SP.
@@Iyoverse Thanks for the clarification!
aventurine's damage is ass without his signature lightcone he literally loses like 50% of his dmg without it. I can definitely see aventurine being comparable to blade in terms of dps with his lightcone though
Tbh i use both Aventurine and Fu xuan in my team.
I have acheron but i will never be able to max out or utilize her dps with no eidolons - my main dps swivels between Clara and Jingliu. My team comp consists of Fu Xuan, Aventurine, Clara, Robin. Just by Fu Xuan, and Robin existing, I get 15% Crit, damage reduction, 60% total Crit DMG and 9% team DMG. My Clara gets so much crap from this team while having sustain that except for just one SIM Universe i just breeze through all of it. Aventurine just helps Fu Xuan in what she lacks in aoe and dot mitigation for me while giving damage in the process. Once aventurines banner comes back i’m going to get his E1 for another 30% Crit Dmg. I’m currently at lvl 65 Rank, and i’m doing just fine - some of my damage does does suffer sometimes but this is mostly due to substat issues. I am working on that.
Going to use this same aventurine/fu xuan damage/stat combo for other damage carries in the future.
I personally after trying Both out, I feel They are on equal terms. Adventurine is Weak to Heavy single target Sustaining. If one character keeps getting hit and there's no AOE happening ,then he is forced to use his Skill or ult to save that character. Fu can continuously Save characters So long as she is alive. Also the guaranteed Effect resist on fu is amazing, in case a heavy CC like Domination goes through the 50% of adventurine. Adventutine on the other hand gives u a 50% chances to resistant multiple instances of dot which can help u again that. 50% is Not as well as huohou multiple clenses but better than nothing. So all 3 have their ups and downs
4:35 i don't think Aventurine (boss) stomps Fu Xuan, but definitely requires certain gimmick to manage this problem, like make sure that she can ult when he calls those dices
whenever she uses ult there, she will gain another talent charge and the "Bet" will make sure that her ult is maxed for the next gamble, specially in the 2nd phase
sure, she will stop being slightly sp positive to neutral, or even negative, to keep up with his 2-turn dice rotation, but its all about adapting with the options that you have at the moment
the main Weakness of Fu Xuan is that she needs to fill her ult to stay alive and that her skill doesn't stop DoTs, which is why is her weakness against the Swarm: DoTs and not much energy from taking hits
her strenght is more against big, or fast, single target hits, like against that monkey and the fact that he has more teamwide buff value compared with him
while Aventurine has, as strenght, the fact that he benefits to fight against enemies that relies on AoE damage, so he can charge his follow-up faster and the fact that he has built-in team Effect Res against DoTs
edit: and has the damage
but his weakness is exactly where Fu Xuan excels: single target nuke damage, he can't use recharge the shield if the team doesn't take multiple, scattered hits, which starts to make him SP negative to compensate against such thing
finally some one speaking the thruth!
I really only started actually playing HSR when Acheron released, and when I got Aventurine and his LC, i've been super thankful for that investment. He has genuinely been one of the best investments I have made for my account. Tbh, him and Acheron really carry my account. Before him, I did not have any limited sustain units.
acheron+aventurine bro ur never lose again except moc 😂
FX been carrying for awhile but Aventurine is amazing. money >>> meta thou I can clear so im not spending on the sus gambler. I actually want to roll for more Gallagher dupes ngl
Bro I respect your tenacity against everyone hating you. Stay fly my guy
12:28 exactly and with the whole firefly/Sam thing alot of people are saying she's mid or does horrible damage like bruh she does alot of damage it's just people have acheron brainrot if a new DPS unit isn't doing acheron damage or higher oh there automatically mid and need to be buffed
There are even some "dreams" of her team outperforming DHIL, JL and even Acheron vs enemies that are not innately weak to fire but is innately weak to the other dps' element.
Her damage is not bad but some people focus too incredibly hard on Damage per Screenshot. Over the course of her ult Firefly does an incredible amounts of damage
13:51 we blade mains are in shambles rn
LMAO I was corrected tho!
I have aventurine and fuxuan. Both without sig, as the tier list says...
Aventurine is a lot harder to hit 4k def and wont shield that much without spending points he will not save your team with just Fua shields, also does waaay less dmg because you just cant go full dps build!
About fuxuan, many times i ask myself how can she die... even big aoe dmgs wont kill her, mine is very well builded already, the only problem i find is longer fights because squish characters like silverwolf start dying... also, sam figh was a pain in the ass, ny solution to that was acheron as dps, like i said problem is longer fighs and acheron did the job.
I'ma be honest if you're using adventurines light cone of course he's doing good dmg but I doubt its 70k fua like that's gota be cap
Idk about how Iyo builds his Fu Xuan but mine is capable of surviving the new weekly boss' (not stating name to avoid spoilers for others)
Edit: Also, that Aventurine SP infinite is a load of bullcrap. While he is SP positive, even with 4k def, i still find myself the need to re-cast his skill since some of my other units had their shield down in several cases.
Edit 2: Bruh, build ur jing yuan before saying those stuff. Like holy, that Jing Yuan take vs Aventurine in terms of damage is so bad. JY is definitely doing more than Aventurine in terms of damage. What? Did u just include Topaz LC + E1 and Robin E1+Ult+Skill THEN Aventurine LC and compared it with ur "average" JY using Breakfast and only TY as the support? I havent seen an Aventurine FUA hitting for 100k. Not even 50k.
Honestly i kind of hate tier list in a game where your luck on relic drops + relic rolls and how built (talent+light cone+eidolons) your character may be determines everything. You can say "here's the data" all day, but everyone will literally have a different experience depending on their account. I feel like ranking kits and roles would be less toxic than "these two can zero cycle this specific situation but this one is better because of a slightly higher dmg multiplier", but that's just my take 😮💨
So that is why investment is a factor in this tier list, as well as why they exclude signature light cones and constellations on 5 stars. With all these factors, it is much more relatable to rank these characters. Hitting 134 speed on a character for example which is standard is not hard at all. Hitting 165 and over? Oh yeah that's absurd. Possible, but you need God tier rng. I'm assuming this list presumes you have the basic standard on the character in question. 4k def on aventurine for example, or Hitting break effect threshold on Ruan Mei aren't hard and is pretty standard. This is why the offensive aventurine argument I feel is flawed, because that requires insane investment and rng to do well. Most players won't do that, and is why I assume fu xuan and aventurine are the same tier.
But yeah, of course some people will have like 70 crit rate and 200 crt dmg and perfect speed and crap. That's unrealistic, but even the most unlucky players in the world should manage a decent ratio on there relic stats. Hell my clara barely has 40 crit rate but still beats end game content fine. It is what it is though.
Aventurine vs fu xuan sounds so weird to take about since there are too many scenarios Fu xuan will fall short. That being said aventurine isn't perfect either. But E1 fixes him his up effective shield uptime (percentages) so you can be sp positive. (in most scenarios) . If new moc 12 was an indicator enemy damage put will clear shields faster forcing him to skill more often. If the shield uptime can't keep up; that will be a problematic scenario. Without needing to branch out to other limitations. (stacked dot, others being cc’d)
BUT for now, he's the closed to that “fit in multiple scenarios sustainability yet offers offensive support in a timely manner.
I have Seele but i never use her.. Should i use my selector for Bronya, E1 Himeko, or E1 Clara?
Bronya bruh
@@bruh8539 I already have Robin and Mei.. Is her and Seele really that good?
@@grammysworld5449 Bronya is always a good pick. She's ROUGHLY on par with Sparkle because they both have AA on skill for a unit. However, her most notable pairings are usually Jingliu, I think Blade despite where he is rn, probably Seele ( I don't have Seele since I started back in 2.0 ) but Bronya will always be a good pick. That's why no one really loses their shit if they lose a 50/50 to her because she really does only get better ( Go figure lol. ) with eidolons.
@@bkelso61 yeah I chose Bronya.. I sometimes forget how good E2 bronya on my alt is
@@grammysworld5449 For sure. I dropped Bronya early because I didn't really get much out if her early on. But now that I'm caught up with the game's story and actively building characters now, she's at the very least in my top 3-5 to build from everyone I have.
i already have adventurine, should i go for fu xuan as my second sustain (i'm a new player) or should i wait for a healer like luocha or huo huo
Huohuo for cleanse and energy but you probably have lynx from pure fiction who can do it for now
I think Preservation will grant allies res in the future and Abundance will grant cleanse cause if Preservation can grant cleanse then Abundance will just become useless
Side note: break meta just came and if you have e2 Gallagher ( he's really good which for some reason he basically have 100% res) then you don't need a sustainer.
Hell if you want to just bash things with your face, Robin is in the game now. She make your characters 100% action forward. Enemies can't hurt you if they don't have a turn that technically a sustainer
Yes, Gallagher is very good. Bc of him I decided to skip Luocha and I don’t regret it!
Really depends on what your account looks like. You have Aventurine so theoretically you can skip Fu Xuan and wait for HouHou ( Simply because Luocha already had his rerun with Acheron ). But, you're not necessarily shooting yourself in the foot if you do go for Fu Xuan. That opens up your potential second team with a good sustain in where you can't slot in Aventurine or vise versa.
Rn, I run Aventurine and Luocha together, not because they compliment each other in any way but more so for while I'm farming for mats to build someone or because I don't have someone built yet ( in my case, that someone is 2 people because I haven't started working on Robin and have to work on Ratio as well. )
@@bkelso61 I'm planning to run her with jingliu and also with xueyi in another team wdyt?
@@pokedude3221 Not bad. Jingliu and Fu Xuan will be the most notable part of that team because of Jingliu taking hp from everyone else on the team once she's in her spectral transmigration state. AFAIK, you'd have to keep up with Fu Xuan's stacks for her heals since Jingliu's hp taken can add up really quick if the enemies aren't dead yet.
That's why Gallagher and Luocha are good in her comps because Luocha just exists and heals and Gallagher ( after ult I believe ) achieves the same value. If you want a sub DPS that REALLY meshes well with Jingliu specifically, Blade if you have him. Blade loves losing hp for his dmg and Jingliu does just that and actively gives Blade a stack towards his follow up.
I'm sick of hearing people downgrading Aventurine damage. I mean he really CAN outperform some of the DPS chars. But to be fair we should say that he NEEDS his sig LC for hitting those numbers. And It doesn't mean he needs sig LC for sustaining his team.
This is getting old. Jing Yuan is not the greatest dps in the game, but you exaggerate so bad with your bias against him. Aventurine is fantastic, but he is not doing the same or more damage than Jing Yuan. Let's be fr.
plus aventurine is a sustainer, not meant to be a dps even if he has some damage built into his kit like let’s be fr here
Hsr really making these sustain decisions very hard. I wanted to get either fuxuan or houhou but the "powercreep" is so real. I also have gepard and Gallagher but there are times I'd like that extra edge that the limited sustains offer.
I'll probably end up trying for fuxuan and if I lose the 50/50 I'll try for hou hou, and if aventurine rolls again and not power crept I'll get him?
They'd have to make a sustain that either competes directly with Aventurine or offers something just as valuable. A new sustain would either need cracked shields for lower investment than some would need for Aventurine or bring something like giga cracked dmg red.
I’m currently going through the vid rn, but I kinda separate Fu Xuan and Aventurine when it comes to what they’re good at really.
Like it may sound odd at first, but I have Fu Xuan being the best when it comes to damage mitigation and Aventurine being the best shielder
Isn't taking no damage at all better than taking some damage?
My biggest push for Aventurine being better then FuXuan is that Aventurine has teams that he is objectively better foe then FuXuan. (Ignoring elemental weakness because that can be a factor) Aventurine is better in follow up teams as well as Acheron teams (and for any future character that needs debuffs). The only team that FuXuan is "better" in is mono quantum, but that is not because she is actually better she just matches the element and that Silver Wolf inflicts quantum weakness.
Fu will always be a strong team sustainer but sadly aventurine is better then fu but fu is still my number one because she’s cute
This this right here
i mean… both are great in their own ways to the point it balances ou
Fu Xuan has better toes.
Okay, but what color toe nails is she wearing!?
True meta take (most effective toe available)
@@Iyoversepurple
But have you seen Aventurine's fingers?
aventurine has a boob window on his outfit argument invalid.
Legit, the FREE SHIELD on entering battle was a major reason I pulled for Avi (outside of story reasons, ofc 😅)
Fu Xuan I still want, though, due to instant mitigation. HuoHuo has been super helpful in target cleansing, but she eats up skill points a bit too much.. (still love you, tho, HuoHuo)
I have E0S0 aventurine. I have him in every team I make that I can even conceive with my account. He benefits heavily on having enemies attack multiple people at once (Like the lantern fish) I have had him do 3 FoAs in one cycle because of that benefit alone. The only thing I am not a fan of atm is the lack of damage reduction as is for me, But to be fair that would be kinda crazy.
Even funnier, The stacked shield persists in its entirety as long as it is reapplied before disappearing. (I.E if aventurine gets multiple turns where the enemy doesn't do much damage or any damage, every 2 turns he can reapply the shield and it will either increase it up to 200% or keep the 200% if it is already at it.)
I didn't think I would like him because with shoddy relic investment, he does no damage and no real good shielding.
But with a good - subpar set. He gets a lot better depending on how you build him. I run 2pc FoA 2pc Shield and right now my best bet is to either replace the 2pc FoA with divers that doesn't have the def% or with a different FoA set that doesn't have def% (the 2pc FoA are hands and hat) as he is at 4.5k def at the current moment.
The only situation in the entire game where Aventurine "smokes" Fu Xuan at sustain is aoe bosses in high conundrum gold and gears because that was made for shields to be required. Both Fu and Aventurine just stand there and protect the team without doing anything in MoC.
As for utility, giving crit rate to your actual dps is better than the mediocre damage Aventurine does(especially without his LC which is not factored in in the tier list) and Fu's debuff resist is better than the effect resist from Aventurine. You're actually fucking high if you're arguing a e0s0 Aventurine is doing the same damage as Jing Yuan. Jing Yuan is mid af but that's straight cap. And lmfao at him doing as much damage as Argenti. Your ability to say stupid shit so confidently is incredible.
I think you are not being objective enough to be able to claim this. I stopped using Fu Xuan after getting him for many reasons. Also found out that cc were never a big thing with Aventurine's partial/total effect res. Crit rate is good but that's it on Fu for me. Aventurine does many good things, Shields (SU friendly), AOE protection & counter, flexibility of SP/refreshing the shields when needed, debuffs, toughness bar reduce, damage, FUA and Acheron innate synergy. Fu is not bad but just saying she beats Aventurine just because of the one time cc thing and crit buff is bias.
@@AquaBlazeSven I literally have both. My argument isn’t fu is better, my argument is they are the same level.
@@Zer0Hour17 Well instead of Crit Rate Aventurine gives Crit DMG. And his effect resistance has a 100% uptime, like his shield. And in pure terms of sustain he just straight up prevents damage from your team which Fu Xuan can't, so based on pure sustain he is indeed better. And whether or not he adds some damage potential is honestly just a side note at that point.
In what world do Aventurine and Fu Xuan do the same thing? Aventurine PREVENTS the entire team from taking damage, not just mitigate it, and he offers Effect RES to the entire team for the entire duration of his shield without needing a single skill point. And that is ignoring all the other things he can do on top of that.
I'm not sure what you mean by loses to Aventurine boss. any sustain that can hit AoE is fine agaist him.
skipped aventurine because i need a strong ice dps so i pulled jingliu but i will surely prioritize aventurine on his rerun even though i have fu xuan and huo huo. his kit is just so good but i have to get my teams checked first. i only need sam, topaz and aventurine and a future strong quantum dps and my account is complete.
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I have Aventurine at e2s1 and at that point , he becomes a buffer, a debuffer , a dps and a sustain and he never uses sp. The dude is as broken as Ruan Mei. He hit like 100k+ in MoC , like wth. He + Ruan Mei alsone can destroy most MoC
I feel like people need to hear that they still have cracked asf units if they have Fu Xuan and Luocha instead of super cracked Aven and Huo just because people either get too attached to their units or dont want to believe that they had a bad investment when really (most likely) one day both Huo Huo and Aven will probably see a unit that can do things better anyway. In any case I see extreme value in Fu Xuan and Aven anyway and the argument IS there for one over the other in terms of future proof (since you know a shield ignoring enemy will be implemented one day fo sho). Not saying you don't recognize and highlight other strengths but some people just see the flat tier number or letter and say "mid" for being like 5% worse.
Midyuan mains forget what the definition of dps is. Bro has one big hit once per cycle. All other dps characters hit 3-4 times in that time and in total deals more damage. If LL could be advanced forward then it would be different. But his big damage just comes way too slow.
I would say that Aventurine, Fu Xuan, and Huo Huo are all equal. They all exceed in an area that the others lack, and they all have a specialty for sustaining. Fu Xuan does suffer against big AoE attacks but those arent too common outside of SU which isnt a factor on the list. Huo Huo and Aventurine do sometimes struggle against multiple instances of single target damage especially when they arent the ones being hit. Which is definitely more common in MoC.
Overall i do value Fu's crit rate more than aventurine's dmg but they are both about equal.
Phone case tier list next?
Gotta make this a Discord community thing for real. lol
But what if i just pulled both?
Then you're a winner like us.
@Iyoverse I don't have a second limited sustain. So it gives me slightly more reason to pull for fu xuan aswell. Minus me just having a biased like for her and I'm a QQ enjoyer.
I don't understand what FX builds people use to say Aventurine is better. FFS, I have never seen her die in the scenarios mentioned.
He's literally just better, that doesn't mean fu xuan is bad tho. Aventurine is just better as is.
It’s mostly that he can sustain just as well or better. Practically never worse. Furthermore he still has a crit buff, even if not nearly as good as Fu’s while still able to put out decent dps numbers depending on build.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Sure he is better at AoE scenarios but FX is just better against single target considering Aventurine doesn’t have a high aggro like Gepard. His shield per ally can’t be as good as fu xuan’s mitigation
@@flyingcucumber9325 In theory sure, but almost every enemy encounter will have an aoe (meaning aven will probably proc his shield regen). Not to mention he can just skill to get over a 2000 hp shield. You’re not really going to have an enemy burst through that. While Fu seemingly does struggle in certain forms of content that no one is saying aven does. Biggest complaint I’ve seen is that he can’t be played super sp positive outside of the ipc team.
That’s why is sustain is at least as good. Add everything else and it’s why he’s considered better.
@@JohnDoe-si4eg Yeah but I mean I don't think Fu is struggling in MoC or PF. She is still as comfortable as the first day. The only place I see a difference is SU and we still have to get lots of preservation blessings for that (by that time other shielders became op too)
Would this count as a Double Upload, aslo when THE NIKKE Video going happen.
Gotta get Nikke to pay me up! Yeah!!
I've always been using a friend's Fu Xuan and it obviously helped, seeing as I never pulled for an abundance/preservation.
After months of using her, I found out she was E6S1. And then, my friend decided to switch out Fu Xuan with Aventurine, but to my surprise, Aventurine was better at supporting, so I thought to myself: "Aventurine has to be at least E6S1". On god, I was so far from the truth. He was E2S1 and he felt way safer to use than the E6S1 Fu Xuan
Bro i call that CAP. Do you even know what E2 FX does? Also how do you feel safer farming Calix? Relics? If u tell me that u feel safer with Aventurine I'll call that CAP, no if u were using FX as Sustain/DMG dealer then yes Aventurine feels a lot better now he can carry u Calix/relics farming way ez because FX needs the ult to clear the Waves.
@@kurokamionce1802 are you slow or just trying to be ignorant? I refuse to believe you've played the game if you think you can only use supports in Calix.
There is something called Echo of War, and with Lynx, I have to watch the game because she uses her ult when she doesn't need to. But with both Fu Xuan and Aventurine, I don't need to even care about what's happening, because I know they'll survive. Aventurine's damage is also so high above Fu Xuan that the Echo of War boss dies faster.
It's actually so simple if you had the brain cells to even think for 2 seconds after reading my comment.
@@PercyBoom69 my bad i don't use support never so i didn't even remember where u can use them, but even then, how can you say that u feel safer with a E2S1 Aventurine when with an E2 FX even if u die u don't, u just want to make a ridiculous claim for the sake of downplay FX. Also point still stands if ur DPS are so dog shit that u were taking minutes to clear I'll see what do you believe Aventurine is better but sustaining was never an issue for E6 FX, she have a revive at E2 and she gains Energy everytime and allies get hit at E4. E2S1 Aventurine does more DMG and make ur teammates do more DMG yeah, at E6 Aventurine completely dunk on FX because he even dunk a lot of DPS while doing his job at sustain. But when we are talking about "safe" neither have a problem against anything in the overworld, cavern, calyx or Echoes of war.
@@PercyBoom69 my bad i don't use support never so i didn't even remember where u can use them, but even then, how can you say that u feel safer with a E2S1 Aventurine when with an E2 FX even if u die u don't, u just want to make a ridiculous claim for the sake of downplay FX. Also point still stands if ur DPS are so dog shit that u were taking minutes to clear I'll see what do you believe Aventurine is better but sustaining was never an issue for E6 FX, she have a revive at E2 and she gains Energy everytime and allies get hit at E4. E2S1 Aventurine does more DMG and make ur teammates do more DMG yeah, at E6 Aventurine completely dunk on FX because he even dunk a lot of DPS while doing his job at sustain. But when we are talking about "safe" neither have a problem against anything in the overworld, cavern, calyx or Echoes of war.
@@kurokamionce1802 Fu Xuan's revive is nice, if you're dying. Aventurine prevents death even better than Fu Xuan because of the constant shield, especially against Echo of War bosses because they usually attack everyone.
Fu Xuan getting energy faster is obviously nice, but then again, she only needs to ult to keep her from dying. Aventurine's shield will still just be there.
And who said I was struggling with my dps? You're just trying to justify your ignorant way of thinking. I said Aventurine makes it faster, which again, you would've noticed if you managed to read.
Agreed with Fu Xuan vs. Aventurine, she has no business being in the same tier like him. Especially with all the AoE in current MoC.
EDIT: But if Jiaoqiu leaks are correct, they will play well together.
The problem with seele is that if you haven't farmed a quantum dungeon for half a year, your seele just won't have the damage to kill minions on the 12th floor for 1 single skill (not taking into account a cringe party with 3 supports). and if the seele doesn't kill minions for 1 skill, it becomes complete garbage (that's how 99.9% of hsr players have the seele). The ease of assembling the character should also factor into the character's grade. That's why Dot pati are so often used, people don't want to spend half of their life wearing seele.
Outside of cr and damage reduction, Fu doesn't do anything else.
I rather use Aven and you'll never take damage anyway, so the heal from Fu's burst isn't even a point against Aven and help chip away some hp instead of just standing there.
Long story short, Fu got benched, HARD for me. She's even relic less now. But at the end of the day, just use who you have... Fu is more comfy, but Aven for more results
Aventurine is incredible, yes. I didn't pull him as I have Luocha and Fu Xuan, and I'm not a fan of its casino design and animation, but for those who don't have them he was unmissable in my opinion.
Prioritizing design and animation over meta, I passed. However, I may be interested in a leak of a character that could be part of the preservation, as I liked the principle of her alpha kit, so we'll see.
I'll say it, Huohuo is the best sustainer NOT because she sustains the best but because she brings way more value than any of the other 2, she is wayy more versatile and her cleanse is literally insane. She has her drawbacks and is not EASIER or COMFIER to use than them so people would rather just go for Aventurine or Fu Xuan but a teamwide 40% atk buff + a 20% ER is insane, and even more with Robin who just came out and highly benefits from Huohuo's ult.
I personally played both fuxuan and aventurine in every end game content and aventurine is ridiculously strong. I never uses his skill even in floor 12 and he still sustains comfortably. Fuxuan is good but not even close to aventurine in sustaining. I personally think he should be above fuxuan at everything
23:41 Omfg, maybe it's becuz it still early in the morning when watching this, but this bit was funny af 😂
*snort* Actually, by the way 🤓☝️
i believe all characters are good just that how you teamcomp them and made a good use out of it.
FuXuan is the best for beginners and people who has problem building units. But when you get past that beginner state Aventurine is better. Aventurine offers more in helping team finish any content faster. The thing is protection is not that big deal anymore but how u add up something to the team while having no problem sustaining.
Dont forget, MoC and PF getting higher and higher hp almost every patch. U need extra damage.
In the tier list the characters talent in level 8 and ralices with 2 roles in need states crit states in DPS so higer investment do not apply but I'm still waiting for your video about it
Only thing I dont agree with is Dan slander I tried 3 different times on imaginary weak stages Dan,Ting,Aven,SW and then the Dr.ratio version both on the herta lightcones e0 and Dan cleared faster each time my ratio build is also better than my Dan's I would say. This is also more of a ratio team
U forgot to add that huo huo can res twice at E2
I agree with the statements... but just to put here.. aventurine debuff on hit is only with his lightcone.. .with on the criteria is forbidden
Fuxuan is probably the most glazed unit in the game. Shes decent but not god tier like everyone makes her out to be. Just look at the bis sustain for each team comp. For fua, aventurine is by far the best sustain, for dot teams, huohuo is by far the bis support, for high sp cost teams such as dhil teams, ghallager and luocha both out performer fuxuan, for break teams, ghallager out performs fuxuan. When it comes to normal hypercarry teams, fuxuan is bis, but i would say huohuo is performs just aswell, for acheron teams aventurine is bis.
Jing Yuan would be doing more damage...if he was CC'd out the wazoo
Nah, Fu Xuan with little investment performs just fine. With good investment, she's great. She's not worse than Aventurine, sorry. At worst she's the same level as him. She's been a game changer since her release, and continues to be invaluable.
Or use both and ascend to True Immortality