If they enemy is very lucky they might kill you after a year or so of trying.... unless you run Fu Xuan, Aventurine and a healer like Huo Huo 😈 damage no longer exists
@@Cba409 only if he uses his Skill with E2, and even then you're basically wasting an SP (less SP positive), only gain 30% ER on a single ally and it only last 2 turns
@@Chi_ffre no, he dont need skill point. E1 does it. And it is the same +50% value as aventurine. E2 is dispel and +30%. So gallager gives more effect res than aventurine (up to 80%) and can dispel.
@@bandi642True, however Fu Xuan makes it to where at least one debuff doesn't get applied once per skill, on all Allies. However Aventurine just breaks the Meta. Fu Xuan has a major weakness. If your team gets hit with a strong AOE she basically dies. Edit: Also Aventurine works with literally everybody. Unlike Fu Xuan, Aventurine has debuffs for debuffs focused teams, he has follow up attacks for follow up attacks oriented teams, and he applies a shield which allows him to utilize the most underrated path in SU preservation. Before I forget he also works with Yanqing since Yanqing will never lose HP.
@@The_Jragon yeah fu xuan is undoubtely better against debuffs aventurine has a bit but is luck based(apropiared for aventurine) plus free broken keel requirement. aventurine excells against aoe and fu xuan against single target
@@bandi642 Aventurine still excels against single target I would argue even better. What I meant is that he can apply a debuff for lets say Acheron and Dr. Ratio to increase their potency.
Aventurine: Can tank massive AOE damage but suffer with massive ST damage from enemy. Fuxuan: Can tank massive ST damage but suffer with massive AOE damage from enemy. Both have their usage, be like me and pull both of them. I have enough nightmare seeing fuxuan get killed in SU Conundrum. Those monster at torturous level make MOC 12 felt like a child play.
@@isaac7272 I have and yea the other guy is right when he takes ST damage it aint that bad considering he can just put a massive ammount of shield back onto himself and stack it with his old shield that he made for his teammates and himself. he doesnt take it as good as Fu xuan but he def doesnt suffer from it
@@projectmega9532 he does in case of aoe the follow up stacks increse quickly so does his shield gets a re stack but st damage does not increase his foa stack that well in some scenerio ally dies before you could manually restack your sheild when you use him you have confidence that his shield will get re stacked so you don't use sp all the time which some time becomes his allies downfall
My question is less "who is best?" and more "will they do?". So if a unit I have can do the job, I'm all good. Not the best doesn't equate to garbage. Also frees you up to go with the characters you prefer 👍🏻
I think something that should also be on the table for discussion is simulated universe (in this case especially). As it gets updated over time we will probably see new gamemodes/lore expansions for it (like Swarm Disaster and Gold & Gears), that will most likely increase in difficulty. Something that I heard of a lot with regards to Fu Xuan (I say "heard of" because I started the game after her banner and therefore don't posess her), is that she struggles immensly with Gold and Gears, because of big AOE nuke attacks from the plane bosses. Because she redirects all the damage to herself she will in those (inevitable) scenarios be guaranteed to die. Aventurine on the other hand provides shields, which protect not only his allies but also himself. On top of that you get to make use of all the preservation blessings as well, and if you fully commit to them, you can even make him be the main damage source if you're feeling funny. Speaking from personal experience, Gepard is an absolute monster in SU with the correct blessings, and Aventurine is pretty much Gepard+++ ultra max pro. Taking this into consideration and the fact that, as you already stated, both are perfectly fine for either MOC and pure fiction, having this extra use case, where you can just comfortably play an entire additional gamemode, that will be expanded upon in the future, I personally would put my money on Gamba man. Edit: Also solid video btw.
Excellent addition. Aventurine is going to be so insane for G+G, and its a fair guess to say he will dominate (yes I chose my words carefully 😳) the future modes they talked about in the Livestream. I so can't wait to see how cracked his teams are , especially preservation path - since I almost never used that 😂
@@GachaMogul highly recommend preservation path. If you get the setup right (mainly anything that is related to quake damage and anything that makes your shields bigger) you just watch your enemies killing themselves. Very high entertainment value 👌
Gold and gears is irrelevant because there are several cheese methods. I am WAY below being able to finish gold and gears and yet managed to beat the final boss in the tier 5 difficulty for gold and gears in 30 seconds, with the boss not being able to move a single time in all 3 phases using the Capitalist method.
@@GachaMogul Aren't there literal cheese methods meaning it really won't matter either way? I'm way underleveled for G&G and using the capitalist method I still beat the final phase for tier 5 in 35 seconds. I mean unless we're talking about someone wanting to do G&G without cheesing for some reason.
@@Shadow72eapers That is a valid point. However, there is not really a guarantee for that to still be a thing in future SU game modes. Plus preservation path quake dmg is also something easily achieved through capitalism and grants you immortality and absurd amounts of damage through your immortality, which is something that Aventurine (and Gepard for that matter) enable. It is a safe strategy that works for multiple if not all SU gamemodes and should in theory have at least some longevity to it, as it doesn't hinge on needing the transaction cheese. And sadly, Fu Xuan cannot enable that. So while it's true that for Gold and Gears specifically you can circumvent this through transaction cheese, double Ruan Mei or an unholy amount of gambling, the precedent that was laid out by it for Fu Xuan makes me hesitent to pull for her. This may also just be a me thing though, because I spend most of my time in SU, which is why I would want to pull for units where I am absolutely certain that they will have a use case there. Also just as a character I don't like her that much but that's a different topic of discussion. Also a question if you happen to know: does Fu Xuan's protection also redirect DoT to herself? It's one of those weird things where DoTs may or may not just ignore certain protections (like on trotters that have a preservation barrier), but I do know for a fact that if a character is shielded, the DoT has to eat through the shield first.
I've been playing with Fu Xuan since her release, but there's just too much leverage on her HP for survivability. Her HP tanks with any team-wide damage, and if she dies, the entire team dies shortly after (on harder content like Gold and Gears Conundrum mode). I'm looking forward to how the shields play out.
Moc is not everything in this game. Fx is good in Moc because it force you to finish in under 10 cycle, meanwhile G&g and Swarm has a lot of hard hitting enemies, not to mention aventurine give shields and not mitigate a damage, which means he would be cracked with the preservation buff
@@arumi9410 Only for those modes we have cheesing strategies which work with even Fire Trailblazer. And if you have Gepard, which is a standard unit, it becomes downright easy.
That, and the fact that allies still take damage a bit too often despite how limited it is and her healing isn’t good enough. In long battles, that becomes a problem as you cannot build good defence and hp for every character if you want them to be the best at what they specialize at. With high enough defence, Aventurine’s shield is essentially infinite as a new shield is added every time Aventurine does a follow up attack which happens often, and if you get E1 where ultimates create shields, it’s even more infinite although ultimates do speed up the follow up attack process so it’s not the most necessary thing. That said, if the enemies break through the shields before it gets regened, that damage cannot be healed by Aventurine although in simulated universe there are blessings that facilitate health regen so it’s fine luckily.
I Like aventurine but it doesn't fit me well on my main acc. with high speed character his shield just gone especially jl or anything that requires action forward.
3:11 That's my only reason lol. I had stopped playing for a bit and when I logged again and saw this hottie I pulled him and raised him up. THEN I realised he was so broken
i feel like him having follow up attacks is going to be really good in a lot of content both moc and pf,where we get sometimes things related to hit more or follow up attack to get this and that owo
I'm looking forward pull for Fu Xuan when she comes back but I love Aventurine and hope that everybody pulling for him win their 50/50! He's an amazing character in both gameplay and lore
Really good video. I was not gonna pull for him and was considering it but seeing the other character. I want to save for her instead. Thank you for the video and it helped me make up my mind.
I not have any problems with her in su stuff, she works well and with archon i anywhere delete all opponents before they can do something and with fu xuan and sparkle we have a lot of free critvalue
@@paulobernardes9832 I only witnessed that problem when I tried gold and greats conondrum. 😭 fortunately, I paired her with Aventurine and March and got 46k shield. Argenti can't do shit!
Your videos are really entertaining, I watched all the way to the end. I thought I was watching a creator with at least 10k subs. Pleasantly surprised. Subbed! ❤
I have E1S1 FX since her release. After that, I got E0S1 HuoHuo. They are the best sustainers in the game for now (before Aventurine release, maybe). Crit buffs from FX and especially from her E1 (top 1-2 first eidolon on sustainers) really hits different for me because it's really massive buff for all team members and also for FX. Her HP scaling, crit rate in traces and buff from matryx made from her real sub-dd (12k from basic attack and dome damage from ultimate, I really don't remember how much is that). Full def-builded Aventurine on videos from beta-server made the same damage with FUA on whole board. With Crit Damage body and/or IMG damage sphere his sustainability not so good. And I don't think that full crowd-controll res from FX can compare to 50% ER. It's just much better
Well said bro. But Adventurine light cone I will skip since I have Geppy's light cone for taunt value = more faster stack gain, more frequent foa, little DMG boost, more shield, less DMG threat to my squishy team, and less skill point consumption
both are great characters and there is no need to think about between those two which one is the greatest and which one to pull. If u like it, pull for it.
I don't have any limited sustain, That being said, I'll probably wait for fu xuan since i'd like to finish Mono Quantum with gambling gremlin. Aventurine looks to be pretty good . But i already have gepard for a shielder and id rarher aave for acherons next debuffing support. Fu xuan can cover my inbibitor team, and for the meanwhile. I'll continue using gepard/gallagher for acheron.
I was gonna skip this this banner and save steller jades....but seeing the boss for 2.2 gotta start prepping. Also glad that lynx is one of the boosted 4 star since im building her for the fight too.
Fu Xuan will be on my 1st team And Aventurine will be on 2nd team I do have Gepard but he is kinda boring At least Aventurine can be put on follow up attack team for my Topaz Some of Gepard relic and His signature lightcone will be transfered to Aventurine
@@GachaMogul i lost to him twice (NOW E1 GEPARD) and also to his signature so 3rd time i lost 50/50 to Gepard At least i dont have to pull for Aventurine signature lightcone now because of gepard sig lightcone
It's great to have Aventurine around. I can literally leave Fu Xuan and Aventurine in auto mode without dying in gold and gears. I say, these two are the most broken unit when together. My build is solely dps too. Honestly using the two together should be illegal.
I'm still pulling for Fu Xuan although the hype to pull for Acheron and Aventurine is tempting as a F2P Fu Xuan will fit well in my team with Seele, SW and Bronya
@@GachaMogul i think aventurine gives 25% crit dmg if he has broken keel on 15 from the ult and 10 from keel and if another unit has keel on that is 35% thanks to his skill giving team wide effect res
ima say this right here right now. no aventurine is not fua only when it comes to his team comps vs fu xuan.. the ONLY team that he ISN'T better then fu xuan in is blade and jingliu comps. not to say fu xuan is bad im just saying that so SO many people downplay his universalness to a NEAUSIATING degree. he has tecnically the bEST sustaining power for the sole reason of defense ignoring enemies and the non zero chance your fu xuan could get oneshot in Simulated universe
"Although they can be equally good" I think this only applies to things outside of End game worlds (not talking about MOC) .I think we're all aware that Hoyo is focused on providing lots of High end game contents to satisfy their players. One big difference is that Fu Xuan doesn't have shields that can benefit from SU buff at all. If you managed to get hit by a Strong Single/AoE attack its gonna take awhile for Fu Xuan to even heal that much lost. Although she's not powercrept, but we can sense it. (like almost all 1.x characters are)
It will take a bit longer for her to be power crept , especially since we have less comparable units. It is true that SU definitely favors AV though, since she can't use preservation path 😔
The ER applies to every team member with a shield(including aventurine) and also one point that wasn't even mentioned is skill points fu xuan is skill point positive but ideally needs to use her skill every 2 turns or more often if she desperately needs energy to save her life with an ult meanwhile aventurine can do entire fights without using a single skill and you only really need to when the shields get low so if you build him fast he's an sp factory
This is a very well-made and well-researched video! Definitely subbing, you deserve it. Also, I was thinking about who to get for my acheron-silverwolf-blackswan combo, and i think both fuxuan and aventurine could work tbh. If i go aventurine, I might have to replace BS with pela or an SP positive unit. BUT the main point that I love about aventurine with acheron is the 18% crit dmg increase buff. Thats amazing, especially since my acheron has enough crit rate already. But on the other hand, FX is a quantum unit that pairs well with SW. Also, her E1 increases crit dmg by 30%. ARGGG this is a hard decision. Anyway, great vid!! lol
Ahhh thank you so much!! Lol ♥️ That's a tough choice ! I think Aventurine will have the slight edge in nihility teams since he offers a debuff for Acheron stacks :D (2 with trend of universal market).
I've noticed there hasn't really been any videos comparing Aventurine to Gepard. They seem to me like the most obvious direct comparisons since Av and FX work in fairly different ways.
Aventurine gives better shield value then Gepard with his Skill meanwhile Gepard Needs his ultimate to rely on shields........and also he's a standard banner character anyway ofcourse he will powercrept.......just like Bronya when Sparkle arrives.......
does it even need any comparison? Aventurine is so much better than Gepard it's not even a competition. Gepard is not even in the same ball park. Like Aventurine is comparable to FX, even better in many aspects (FX only really has her more consistent CC prevention as being better than Aventurine tbh) gepard is just insignificant
@@leonidesbabanto1585 Aventurine is more dps oriented while Fu Xuan is a support. (Avent buffs himself more while FX buffs her teammates more) One thing they have in common is they do big pp damage when built as a dps!
I'm skipping mainly because Gepard is absolutely fine in my account and I'm in a more need of supports than sustains. If I really need a new preservation, it'll be Fu Xuan since she's a better fit for DPS like Seele. Also, I'm pretty sure MiHoYo will eventually create a boss whose mechanics deals piercing dmg/ignores shield making Geppie and Aventurine less viable/useless for future bosses like this. So I'll wait for the next preservation unit whose better at defending that scenario
Totally fair! That could definitely be something mihoyo could pull. Supports really do kinda run the game right now tbf, (ruan Mei is insane, probably #1)
@@GachaMogul I'm also hoping HSR will add relics that gives healers a chance to stay relevant. Something like "Gains buffs based on X% of healing" or "Gains a shield based on X% of healing". (Luocha would be insane for this since no character currently outheals him) Adding something like this would really help characters whose mechanics are predominantly healing be more useful and prevents powercreep. To balance it out, the buffs just won't be as strong as someone like HuoHuo As for supports, I'm also think we may get bosses/mobs that have a built-in buff removal mechanic just to balance out the reliance on supports (this is probably where shield/preservation units become more useful)
Yeah fu Xuan for me I need my sustain to protect me, i already have shield god gepard, i want another one to protect me Let the attack for the attacker, i just want from them to not let my team die
@@imaybedead6096 i dont think so because aventurine have value in Simulated universe highest level. Looking at HSR, they definitely gonna update more on SU over MOC/PF. Fu xuan is mid there simply because she cant tank massive AOE damage, but outside that she is great. Golden gears conundrum is the real endgame content, MOC FC is just for casual players.
@@isaac7272 Huh? What does that have to do with how fun a unit is? Also I'm tired of people saying "she can't take massive AOE damage", because you'll rarely find a situation within the current state of the game where that is true, the only exception I can think of is gold and gears conundrum 12, and even then I can't validate that myself because I can't be bothered to play more gold and gears.
Both are overall better than abundance units. However, I’d say probably Aventrine. Both are SS+. However, Aventurine brings DMG. Which leads to enemies dying faster.
Huohuo would be the contender here, as she does a lot of extra "harmony" things. But yeah AV and FX are definitely both SS! I can't wait to play with him... And his damage 🙂
I play fu xuan with luocha in SU All my team gets constent heal and buffs and she can tank AOE attacks because she is always full hp (if don’t then skill issue) Also, her skill last 3 turns when avanturine always has to use 1 skillpoint
Well I think your relics on aventurine purely depend on your light cone. The more def it gives the less you need on your relics. But like just def and spd boots is good enough. I think he is easier to build them du xuan that does dmg because all his def scales a lot in his damage. Also idk if fu is easier to play or more universal. In let’s say a kafka team the buffs they give don’t matter (as crit) and I think aventurine just performs better. Idk.
Depends yeah. Like AV can give 1-2 debuffs in a nihility team, for moreso Acheron. Only Acheron cares about the crit vs Black swan and kafka. Both are good in certain situations
Short answer - if you have fu xuan already you dont really need aventurine, unless you want him for FUA teams or acheron debuff stack, if you dont have fuxuan, go for aventurine
Both are equally good in their own rights with their downs and ups regardless of E0-E6 Fu Xuan provides 3 Turns Crit Rate, Damage Cut and Max HP for 3 Turns 1 time AoE-ST Crowd Control immune to any allies everytime she used her Skills, heals for both herself and her Team with Ult, synergize well with Teams that can take multiple turns in 1 cycle due to the buff expiring when her turn's passed and faster Ult recharge from her Skill giving her at least 1/3 of her Max Energy not counting ERR Ropes Downside is that she can prone to getting one shot in either Swarm Disaster or Gold and Gears. As for MoC, not that often, her Ult Breaking is gimped, she's locked from using Preservation's Blessing and she doesn't have a dedicated 4Piece Relic (assuming you want to assume this as one) Aventurine can contribute more as a Sub DPS and breaker due to his Def Conversion to Crit Rate and multi hit Follow Up that can be easy to proc, easier build for Support that went Broken Keel and what might as well be a Permanent Uptime Thick Shield from continuous stacking, especially with FuA teams Downside for him is like every other Shielder, fast attackers will expires his Shield's faster since the duration is with them and not him, potentially making him from SP Positive to SP Neutral-Negative, his Crit Damage amo is a Debuff meaning a high enough Effect Res Enemies can shrug it off and you still need to built Effect Res in ally to be safe from CC Tldr, go for Aventurine if y̤o̤ṳr̤ account has Slow-Mediocre Speed DPS or Follow Up, Fu Xuan if your DPS are fast enough to do 3 actions in 1 cycle.
First time i cleared difficulty 5 in swarm disaster , aventurine shield is really helpful, my team hp didn't drain a bit, stackable shield with high effect res and fua really carried my team
Imo, it depends if Aventurine is auto-friendly in the non-forward atk teams. His AI in the story trial was trashy. He used his normal atk instead of his skill shield on auto sometimes.. even when my party only had 10% shield left lol.. He can't even heal back the party after the HP loss from not shielding. I never had problem with FuXuan.
He's a side grade. Both are superior to the other in certain comps but one isn't more comfortable than the other. Your team ain't dying with either on the team.
me who have gepard from 50/50 loss and aventurine..... i also want fu xuan cause SHE SLAYSSS. prob get her rerun after 2.2 cause gotta be realistic a bit. and topaz is coming out so ratio needs GOOD FOOD.
And the Winner is The third constestant *March 7" -Easy To Build -F2p I'm didn't have Aventurine but get his Lightcone for March 7 Can be Sub-DPS too? Hehehe😊 Follow-Up Easy to Understand with Taunting skill Robin already around the corner-Good for Support Follow-up unit
@@GachaMogul Aventurine maybe good since it have follow-up too, but it need to be stacked So I'm think March 7 is the best Option as long the Shield been hit it will automatic follow-up So with Tanky March 7, boost by Robin so she can be Sub-DPS at the same time And Usually when there are March 7, there will be Clara(have follow-up too.. (Clara ulti:Damage Reduction) March 7 (skill) > Clara + Robin Boost (2 tank 2 sub- DPS just by one Character) We have More than One Main DPS and Tank - yeah it just for fun theory
I have both of them now. In my opinion fu xuan is better cuz she a little bit easier to build, she give crit rate, CC res and for me her matrix is activ or not is more simple like i have enough shield on me from aventurine. BUT, i hate the fact that fu xuan skill dosen't have a cap. So in some scenarios if her skill is active and she does not have stack for the HP reset she will continue to take their damage for herself and dies from it even if the other teammates had enough HP to survive. and if thats happens the others will die one by one. Oh, yeah and if she had more than 50% of her HP and the enemy make a big AoE attack she will just take all the damage and dies even if she had stacks on her. Aventurine's shield is really tanky. But he just give me a shield and if thats runs out my characters not get any back up like from fu xuan. But thats in just really hard scenarios like in the Swarm disaster V, Gold and Gears and in that fucking Bug weekly boss what i forgot to farm him cuz i really hate that one. Some times it just targeted my sparkle and almost killed her cuz her shield ran off (when i had in that team clara too, but the enemies always target my harmony characters. not they have the highest aggro, isn't it?) Aventurine is an easy build character and i always get Def relics so finally someone can use them. I think both of them is really awesome, just i think fu xuan is a little bit better. But if u need to choose any of them it not will be a bad choice.
Major problems with both of them is the lack of cleanse. With a lot of debuffs and DOT effects , it can get harder to protect your units in both cases , although most fights don’t last that long right now. Another problem I see is the lack of healing in aventurine kit which makes sense but if someone runs out of shield or gets hit more , this can create issues. Fu xuan also can have difficulty sustaining and healing the team in a long difficult fight. Although she makes it through MoC but I see some of the things she really weak with , lot is debuffs and that japa witch that use wind shear and reduces max hp absolutely ruins Fu Xuan. Units like that are a major problem for FU , Aventurine is also a pain when he does a lot of cc and reduces energy. That energy really hurts fu. Aventurine is a little better in this MoC because of that but he is kind of bad with a lot of debuffs too. That witch will be a pain with both. Lack of cleanse is the main problem of preservation units. This is also one of the reasons why March is still such a good unit. She can shield , heal and cleanse although only one unit .
i even build Fx, she would still amazing for a long time. But damn these people are coping that Aventirine will not be as good as Fx when in fact he provides the same, even to some extent "better"😂😂
I bet you will be saying that after a few months after building Aventurine. For a company like Hoyoverse, the next set of 5 stars will always trump the older ones. That is how you make money. Why release the newest 5 star as inferior compared to the old ones?
Huohuo is best sustainer ATM for sure (we will see when AV comes out). AV is best for nihility especially with trend of the universal market. Thats a good plan tho!
@@GachaMogul AV provides crit damage buff on his ult, which for DoT is useless. He would be good in Acheron team but is wasted on DoT since it can’t crit
FX isnt a future proof lmao she has no unique playstyle like aventurine in her kit in fact she is gonna get powercrept faster than him or any pres character she is barely surviving at high level game modes difficulty maybe only MoC where she can live but so is aventurine , devs started to counter her already with these penacony enemies
Nah, to get powercrept would be similar to gepard v aventurine. Gepard is still usable, but AV offers a ton more. Also, we probably won't have anything to happen that way for preservation for a long while
@@GachaMogul better sustain for your team is a powercreep while offering extra benefits for your team just like huohuo with the atk&energy buff compared to loucha she is by far better and aven is already doin it FX is already getting demolished by penacony enemies and she is doing nothing at G&G and SU and she is less sp efficient than aven he literally use 0 sp on top of that her cc immunity can black ccs only not debuffs and its only once per skill we only had 1 or two preservation characters in the past patches which also increased the value of FX as she was only the limited preservation the other one is gepard and he is no where good at sustaining ur team that well as them aven is already better than her but does that means she is unplayable? Absolutely not unless the game is against her
Having the only two DPS characters that are health draining/want to be targeted (jingliu and blade) I have to stay strong and skip aventurine for huohuo 😭
Not really a fan of Damage Mitigation. Good thing Aventurine feels so much better and comfy to use. His shield is just too thick and can be refreshed quickly. He is also super SP positive. Also since his shield has 100% up most of the time that would also mean a permanent 50% EFF RES on the whole team. I did a high conundrum level on G&G and it's so satisfying to see the word "Effect RES" on everyone resisting Nihility's debuff. Even my Acheron resisted those debuffs with just a 54% EFF RES. I'd take the permanent 50% EFF RES than the one time CC resist per activation. At least with the 50% EFF RES bonus, it doesn't include yet the EFF RES stats you get from your relic substats and Broken Keel. Also with high EFF RES everyone gets a chance to resist ANY kinds of debuff not only specified to CC like DoTs, stat reduction debuffs such as atl reduction, slow, def reduction and oh that Prana debuff from that one enemy that cuts everyone's Max HP. This is the reason why I find Aventurine's EFF RES buff more helpful than FX's one time CC resistance. Why resist only one when you can resist all?
base on the early release i think aventurine gets free crit rate with his def max 4000 on his talents so I don't think it's necessary to go for img dmg orb
i wanna ask something, I'm new to this game...i just reached 40 trailblazer level, and when it comes to sustain i have only one limited sustain which is aventurine and so far he is carrying my whole team and very easy to play I'm using dr ratio and clara with him. But i don't have any other limited dps beside Dr ratio, so i was Saving jades but now I'm bit confused.... should i pull for Fu Xuan in this upcoming banner or keep saving for dpc like acherona and jingliu etc.
Definitely save for dps! Having aventurine already is going to be great for your teams. Jingliu is amazing, Sam will be fantastic when he releases. So yeah I would say focus dps for now since you have aventurine! Don't fret too much either, at level 40 you have plenty of time to round out those teams 💪
I'm tired of people overvaluing Aventurine, the only times he's actually better to have then Fu Xuan is if you are going for FuA teams, or if you want more debuffs for acheron. Another thing worth mentioning is that with Aventurine you will have to build ER for every character you want to play alongside him if you don't want to rely on RNG to resist CCs because not only do you only get 50% , the enemies also have effect hit rate.
It's also funny that there are people saying that "Fu Xuan will die if you get hit with AOE", it goes to show that they don't have Fu Xuan because if they did they would know as long as you have a decently built Fu Xuan that's almost impossible and only worth worrying about if they add future enemies that have way way stronger AOE attacks then they do now.
I don't think it's over-valuing. He's going to be a great unit, just like FX is. Will he be as universal , nah. But he will still be plenty good for most teams, and amazing in the teams he excels in
@@GachaMogulWell yeah that's obvious, I mean overvaluing as in people are acting like he's so good that he's just universally better then other sustain options like Fu Xuan or Huo Huo, when that just isn't the case.
I don't think people are overvaluing Aventurine! he can do something different that other preservation characters can't or better like Debuff, Effect RES, Fua and Damage. He might only be better in some teams that need Debuff or Fua but that would also be where most of his value would be! It would be the same to say that people was overvaluing Luocha on his release... Back then people had problems with the heals and when he released he could hold the whole team alive without using skill points. You could say Fu Xuan is better in any way now and he is not that op anymore but that still doesn't change the stage the game was in when he released!
@@Asm0th I agree with you on the first part, the thing you have to understand though when I'm talking about "overvaluing aventurine" is that I'm talking about the people that are going to the extreme and huffing copium acting like he's universally just the best sustain when it just isn't true. It's not the same thing to say people were overvaluing Luocha, because you would be using hindsight and comparing a much better future unit that we didn't have at the time to a past character release, whereas in this case I'm saying people are overvaluing a future character over the characters we already have in the game, not to say he's bad just that some people are seemingly taking the hype train way too far.
thanks a lot for this. i was worried lol cus i have a lot of built imaginary characters (DHIL, luocha, welt and ratio) and i also have jingyuan so... i was thinking if it would be better to pull for aventurine for mono but also i worry that it would be hard to make weakness breaks when all u got is imaginary T.T (i still cant decide for the life of me since im f2p)
Breaks are good, but in my opinion it comes down to more "do you need sustain and a bit more damage?" DHIL is tough to play since his extreme skill point usage - but cranks out nutty damage. As f2p it's important to build around who you want to! AV can definitely help if you run him with speed to get skill points back and keep those units alive, but depends if you need more harmony/buffers, etc! ♥️ Glad the video helped though
Unpopular opinion: I think Fu Xuan is better, since her failbility, for a lack of better word is lower. There is no way to remove the matrix and I can't imagine a mechanic that will do that. Now imagine we get a future boss who has a mechanic to deal extra damage to shields? Or in the current state of the game, suppose you fight Cocolia and she does her special aoe which depletes your Aventurine shield, then she freezes your Aventurine, then her Bronya advances her and she does her AOE again, while your shield is down and aventurine frozen? What follows is that you lose. That will never happen to Fu Xuan, since she will block the freeze and even if she gets frozen, there is no shield to deplete, as long as she is alive and kickin your party is immortal. I am sure Aventurine is broken, but objectively speaking you will have a hard time proving he is better than Fu Xuan. Now in terms of offence you can argue that he is better, especially if you have Topaz & Ratio. At the end of the day, both units will get the job done, so pull the better looking one - Fu Xuan 😅😅
I'm currently puzzled too. My sustain that I used are Luocha, Gepard (sometimes Bailu). I got a variety of DPS such as DHIL, Kingyuan, Kafka, Clara, Xueyi, Acheron. Currently on 40 pity 50/50 with 60 warps left. Any suggestions ?
That's a pretty solid set of characters! Luocha is very good and will get through pretty much anything. I think for your teams it will just be rounding them out with the supports: i.e. harmony units or other ones they synergize with! Units like bronya, ruan Mei are very strong, (Pela for Acheron as a 4 star example)! Hope this helps!
@@GachaMogul Thanks for the suggestion! I already have all the supports tho (except Sparkle because saving for Acheron). Might wait 5 star Pela or any broken unit 😂.
i still choose aventurine over fu xuan, your fu xuan could die if enemy launches a great AoE attack while aventurine you could just reapply your shield after enemies attack since shield is an Extra bar of Hp
When u have both characters, no fears for you
True!! Game is so comfy with that!
at that point ur just bullying the enemies cuz they become sispohys sysophes OMG WHAT IS HIS NAME???
@@SunshinelollipsandrainbowsSisyphus
If they enemy is very lucky they might kill you after a year or so of trying.... unless you run Fu Xuan, Aventurine and a healer like Huo Huo 😈 damage no longer exists
ask a full peservation team if they know damage
The ER buff for allies applies to EVERYONE that has the shield. So for example if your entire team has the shield they will all get the buff
Oh my goodness 😳😳 thanks for the clarification
Gallager does the same without the shield anyway.
@@Cba409 only if he uses his Skill with E2, and even then you're basically wasting an SP (less SP positive), only gain 30% ER on a single ally and it only last 2 turns
@@Cba409 without the shield, but with a skillpoint and is even less effect res lol
@@Chi_ffre no, he dont need skill point. E1 does it. And it is the same +50% value as aventurine. E2 is dispel and +30%. So gallager gives more effect res than aventurine (up to 80%) and can dispel.
I feel like were going to see a crazy video where someone uses Adventurines LC on March to do DPS March.
"Check out this awesome move" -- does 300k damage 😂😂
All allies get the 50 Percent ER buff.
Well holy hell 😮 (wish the wording was better) but that's CRAZY
aventurine gets inmunity to cc i think
@@bandi642True, however Fu Xuan makes it to where at least one debuff doesn't get applied once per skill, on all Allies. However Aventurine just breaks the Meta. Fu Xuan has a major weakness. If your team gets hit with a strong AOE she basically dies.
Edit: Also Aventurine works with literally everybody. Unlike Fu Xuan, Aventurine has debuffs for debuffs focused teams, he has follow up attacks for follow up attacks oriented teams, and he applies a shield which allows him to utilize the most underrated path in SU preservation. Before I forget he also works with Yanqing since Yanqing will never lose HP.
@@The_Jragon yeah fu xuan is undoubtely better against debuffs aventurine has a bit but is luck based(apropiared for aventurine) plus free broken keel requirement.
aventurine excells against aoe and fu xuan against single target
@@bandi642 Aventurine still excels against single target I would argue even better. What I meant is that he can apply a debuff for lets say Acheron and Dr. Ratio to increase their potency.
Aventurine: Can tank massive AOE damage but suffer with massive ST damage from enemy.
Fuxuan: Can tank massive ST damage but suffer with massive AOE damage from enemy.
Both have their usage, be like me and pull both of them.
I have enough nightmare seeing fuxuan get killed in SU Conundrum. Those monster at torturous level make MOC 12 felt like a child play.
Very true. I will be pulling for FX rerun too
Aventurine doesn't suffer from single target damage
@@Cocxy69 yes he does. The mechanic works that way. You probably havent try those conundrum run on highest level.
@@isaac7272 I have and yea the other guy is right when he takes ST damage it aint that bad considering he can just put a massive ammount of shield back onto himself and stack it with his old shield that he made for his teammates and himself. he doesnt take it as good as Fu xuan but he def doesnt suffer from it
@@projectmega9532 he does in case of aoe the follow up stacks increse quickly so does his shield gets a re stack but st damage does not increase his foa stack that well in some scenerio ally dies before you could manually restack your sheild when you use him you have confidence that his shield will get re stacked so you don't use sp all the time which some time becomes his allies downfall
My question is less "who is best?" and more "will they do?". So if a unit I have can do the job, I'm all good. Not the best doesn't equate to garbage. Also frees you up to go with the characters you prefer 👍🏻
That's a good way to think about it! I have the problem of wanting all the shiny new characters 😂😂
March 7th is doing her job then
“Will they do?” Yes march 7th applies shields
@@santabakure6264I don't think that's what they mean...
@@santabakure6264 march isn't even bad too. she (and preservation mc) can sustain me pretty well in moc, as someone who doesn't have gepard/fu xuan
@@santabakure6264i mean… yeah? There’s a ton of videos of people using march in all the gamemodes hardest tiers.
I think something that should also be on the table for discussion is simulated universe (in this case especially). As it gets updated over time we will probably see new gamemodes/lore expansions for it (like Swarm Disaster and Gold & Gears), that will most likely increase in difficulty. Something that I heard of a lot with regards to Fu Xuan (I say "heard of" because I started the game after her banner and therefore don't posess her), is that she struggles immensly with Gold and Gears, because of big AOE nuke attacks from the plane bosses. Because she redirects all the damage to herself she will in those (inevitable) scenarios be guaranteed to die.
Aventurine on the other hand provides shields, which protect not only his allies but also himself. On top of that you get to make use of all the preservation blessings as well, and if you fully commit to them, you can even make him be the main damage source if you're feeling funny. Speaking from personal experience, Gepard is an absolute monster in SU with the correct blessings, and Aventurine is pretty much Gepard+++ ultra max pro.
Taking this into consideration and the fact that, as you already stated, both are perfectly fine for either MOC and pure fiction, having this extra use case, where you can just comfortably play an entire additional gamemode, that will be expanded upon in the future, I personally would put my money on Gamba man.
Edit: Also solid video btw.
Excellent addition. Aventurine is going to be so insane for G+G, and its a fair guess to say he will dominate (yes I chose my words carefully 😳) the future modes they talked about in the Livestream.
I so can't wait to see how cracked his teams are , especially preservation path - since I almost never used that 😂
@@GachaMogul highly recommend preservation path. If you get the setup right (mainly anything that is related to quake damage and anything that makes your shields bigger) you just watch your enemies killing themselves.
Very high entertainment value 👌
Gold and gears is irrelevant because there are several cheese methods. I am WAY below being able to finish gold and gears and yet managed to beat the final boss in the tier 5 difficulty for gold and gears in 30 seconds, with the boss not being able to move a single time in all 3 phases using the Capitalist method.
@@GachaMogul Aren't there literal cheese methods meaning it really won't matter either way? I'm way underleveled for G&G and using the capitalist method I still beat the final phase for tier 5 in 35 seconds. I mean unless we're talking about someone wanting to do G&G without cheesing for some reason.
@@Shadow72eapers That is a valid point. However, there is not really a guarantee for that to still be a thing in future SU game modes. Plus preservation path quake dmg is also something easily achieved through capitalism and grants you immortality and absurd amounts of damage through your immortality, which is something that Aventurine (and Gepard for that matter) enable. It is a safe strategy that works for multiple if not all SU gamemodes and should in theory have at least some longevity to it, as it doesn't hinge on needing the transaction cheese.
And sadly, Fu Xuan cannot enable that.
So while it's true that for Gold and Gears specifically you can circumvent this through transaction cheese, double Ruan Mei or an unholy amount of gambling, the precedent that was laid out by it for Fu Xuan makes me hesitent to pull for her. This may also just be a me thing though, because I spend most of my time in SU, which is why I would want to pull for units where I am absolutely certain that they will have a use case there.
Also just as a character I don't like her that much but that's a different topic of discussion.
Also a question if you happen to know: does Fu Xuan's protection also redirect DoT to herself? It's one of those weird things where DoTs may or may not just ignore certain protections (like on trotters that have a preservation barrier), but I do know for a fact that if a character is shielded, the DoT has to eat through the shield first.
I've been playing with Fu Xuan since her release, but there's just too much leverage on her HP for survivability. Her HP tanks with any team-wide damage, and if she dies, the entire team dies shortly after (on harder content like Gold and Gears Conundrum mode). I'm looking forward to how the shields play out.
Fair. I'm expecting aventurine to be quite good, especially in Gold and Gears and the like!
Moc is not everything in this game. Fx is good in Moc because it force you to finish in under 10 cycle, meanwhile G&g and Swarm has a lot of hard hitting enemies, not to mention aventurine give shields and not mitigate a damage, which means he would be cracked with the preservation buff
@@arumi9410 Only for those modes we have cheesing strategies which work with even Fire Trailblazer. And if you have Gepard, which is a standard unit, it becomes downright easy.
That, and the fact that allies still take damage a bit too often despite how limited it is and her healing isn’t good enough. In long battles, that becomes a problem as you cannot build good defence and hp for every character if you want them to be the best at what they specialize at. With high enough defence, Aventurine’s shield is essentially infinite as a new shield is added every time Aventurine does a follow up attack which happens often, and if you get E1 where ultimates create shields, it’s even more infinite although ultimates do speed up the follow up attack process so it’s not the most necessary thing. That said, if the enemies break through the shields before it gets regened, that damage cannot be healed by Aventurine although in simulated universe there are blessings that facilitate health regen so it’s fine luckily.
I Like aventurine but it doesn't fit me well on my main acc. with high speed character his shield just gone especially jl or anything that requires action forward.
3:11 That's my only reason lol. I had stopped playing for a bit and when I logged again and saw this hottie I pulled him and raised him up. THEN I realised he was so broken
Hell yes! Lol
i feel like him having follow up attacks is going to be really good in a lot of content both moc and pf,where we get sometimes things related to hit more or follow up attack to get this and that owo
Definitely! The buffs of those will work great with his kit 🙂
I'm looking forward pull for Fu Xuan when she comes back but I love Aventurine and hope that everybody pulling for him win their 50/50! He's an amazing character in both gameplay and lore
True! Aventurine wanters will be aventurine havers! ♥️
Really good video. I was not gonna pull for him and was considering it but seeing the other character. I want to save for her instead. Thank you for the video and it helped me make up my mind.
Glad it helped!!! 🙏
I’m living life knowing I have both of these characters, looks like I won’t have to worry about sustains any longer
Nice! 🙏
I'm gonna use Aven on the sim stuff where my fu xuan gets deleted on the bosses aoe
Great idea! I can't wait to see CRAZY aventurine SU Teams
I not have any problems with her in su stuff, she works well and with archon i anywhere delete all opponents before they can do something and with fu xuan and sparkle we have a lot of free critvalue
@@MHa-ok8vq He is talking about high levels of Swarm Disaster and Gold and Gears
@@paulobernardes9832 I only witnessed that problem when I tried gold and greats conondrum. 😭 fortunately, I paired her with Aventurine and March and got 46k shield. Argenti can't do shit!
Your videos are really entertaining, I watched all the way to the end. I thought I was watching a creator with at least 10k subs. Pleasantly surprised. Subbed! ❤
Thank you so much for the amazing words 😭 I'm glad that you enjoyed it! ♥️
and why not both, I go for both aventurine and fu xuan 💪🏻
The true goat move! 💪💪
I have E1S1 FX since her release. After that, I got E0S1 HuoHuo. They are the best sustainers in the game for now (before Aventurine release, maybe). Crit buffs from FX and especially from her E1 (top 1-2 first eidolon on sustainers) really hits different for me because it's really massive buff for all team members and also for FX. Her HP scaling, crit rate in traces and buff from matryx made from her real sub-dd (12k from basic attack and dome damage from ultimate, I really don't remember how much is that). Full def-builded Aventurine on videos from beta-server made the same damage with FUA on whole board. With Crit Damage body and/or IMG damage sphere his sustainability not so good. And I don't think that full crowd-controll res from FX can compare to 50% ER. It's just much better
I wish I had Huohuo 😭 instead I got yanqing (and I'm in pain)
aw ur such a clean guy, right to the point. i like how u show no biases and i loved the ending :) new sub!!
Thank you so much ❤️❤️
"Very strong dps" is an overstatement. Bro does some damage, nowhere near an actual dps character unless you whale for eidolons.
Oh definitely. He will slot into sub dps, but for a pres unit? It's very strong
@@GachaMogul Sub DPS is a reach as well. He can't do similar damage to Welt. He does more damage than other sustains and that's it
@@dvornikovalexeimy aventurine does 44k with each follow up attack, welt doesn’t do that 😳
Now I’m wondering how a team consisting of Lady Fu, Geppy, Gamble Man, and Barefoot Girl would do
That's a protective team 😳
All that while ting yun somehow found a way to die
@@GachaMogul Must protecc Clara
@@ZAPRST8879 All the more reason to exclude her here
Well said bro. But Adventurine light cone I will skip since I have Geppy's light cone for taunt value = more faster stack gain, more frequent foa, little DMG boost, more shield, less DMG threat to my squishy team, and less skill point consumption
Thanks! Yeah, so far AVs cone is definitely a "don't super need" , especially if you have Moment of Victory
both are great characters and there is no need to think about between those two which one is the greatest and which one to pull. If u like it, pull for it.
Exactly. I will probably get both too xd
I don't have any limited sustain, That being said, I'll probably wait for fu xuan since i'd like to finish Mono Quantum with gambling gremlin.
Aventurine looks to be pretty good . But i already have gepard for a shielder and id rarher aave for acherons next debuffing support. Fu xuan can cover my inbibitor team, and for the meanwhile. I'll continue using gepard/gallagher for acheron.
I like Gallagher for the Acheron team, 2 debuffs is great. I need limited sustain myself - only have Lynx and bailu 😭
Insanely well made video man! Info was great and loved the editing. Keep it up!
Thank you so much!!! ♥️ I'm glad you enjoyed it 🙌
I was gonna skip this this banner and save steller jades....but seeing the boss for 2.2 gotta start prepping. Also glad that lynx is one of the boosted 4 star since im building her for the fight too.
Lynx is the saving grace for 4 stars 🙏 I don't need the other 2 :/
Fu Xuan will be on my 1st team
And Aventurine will be on 2nd team
I do have Gepard but he is kinda boring
At least Aventurine can be put on follow up attack team for my Topaz
Some of Gepard relic and His signature lightcone will be transfered to Aventurine
Good ideas. Poor geppy, I like his character design (I actually just got him in sparkle banner, but not going to build him now)
@@GachaMogul i lost to him twice
(NOW E1 GEPARD)
and also to his signature so 3rd time i lost 50/50 to Gepard
At least i dont have to pull for Aventurine signature lightcone now because of gepard sig lightcone
I've been needing this answer tysm
Glad it helped!! 🙏🙏
Why are you so underrated, wtf im subbing
Thank you so much!! ♥️
Agreed, I like the unrobotic/human and unmonotone-like voice over tbh
The one who will not die to an aoe attack because she takes everyone's damage and her own.
Aventurine stonks ⬆️
They still take damage she just mitigates it
You need to have a scuffed Fuxuan to constantly die to aoe attacks, it's only high level SU wheere that can happen
@@aba7968 It's not that it constantly happens, it's the fact that it can happen in the first place.
Sound like you have a very poor built Fu.
It's great to have Aventurine around. I can literally leave Fu Xuan and Aventurine in auto mode without dying in gold and gears. I say, these two are the most broken unit when together.
My build is solely dps too. Honestly using the two together should be illegal.
😂😂 that's a lot of protection
Aventurine slams. Edit: forgot to mention I meant both ways
Slams a$$.
@@lazaruslong697 mine
@@lazaruslong697yours 🧐
😳😳
Slamventurine
Both, one is quantum and no shields but dmg mitigation, one is imaginary with shields and follow ups too
Yes! Depending on when FX reruns Ill probably try again!
I'm still pulling for Fu Xuan although the hype to pull for Acheron and Aventurine is tempting as a F2P Fu Xuan will fit well in my team with Seele, SW and Bronya
Oh that will be an amazing team. Seele is the one character to make me fail twice 😭
Fu's 30% crit dmg buff at E1 makes me never want to replace her.
That's a lot of crit damage 😮 I'd be surprised if we get someone better tbh
@@GachaMogul i think aventurine gives 25% crit dmg if he has broken keel on 15 from the ult and 10 from keel and if another unit has keel on that is 35% thanks to his skill giving team wide effect res
11:16 acheron and black swan dance starts
Yes! Great catch 🦢
ima say this right here right now. no aventurine is not fua only when it comes to his team comps vs fu xuan.. the ONLY team that he ISN'T better then fu xuan in is blade and jingliu comps. not to say fu xuan is bad im just saying that so SO many people downplay his universalness to a NEAUSIATING degree. he has tecnically the bEST sustaining power for the sole reason of defense ignoring enemies and the non zero chance your fu xuan could get oneshot in Simulated universe
I don't think anybody really says he's FuA only, but that is one of his main teams. He will be good in most though!
Very informative. 👍
Glad it helped 🙏🙏
"Although they can be equally good" I think this only applies to things outside of End game worlds (not talking about MOC) .I think we're all aware that Hoyo is focused on providing lots of High end game contents to satisfy their players. One big difference is that Fu Xuan doesn't have shields that can benefit from SU buff at all. If you managed to get hit by a Strong Single/AoE attack its gonna take awhile for Fu Xuan to even heal that much lost. Although she's not powercrept, but we can sense it. (like almost all 1.x characters are)
It will take a bit longer for her to be power crept , especially since we have less comparable units. It is true that SU definitely favors AV though, since she can't use preservation path 😔
I'm gonna try pulling for both, hopefully I have enough time to save after aventurine
I'm guessing FX will be back in 2.2 since only her and topaz are left for reruns before argenti Huohuo. Best of luck 🙏
All I see and care about is the Fu Xuan + Aventurine combo in those pesky lvl5+ gold&machine/swarm simulated universe x)
True! Destroy those bugs 😤😤
Since i have blade, I'll stick with fu xuan... but I'll get them both eventually
Good plan
The ER applies to every team member with a shield(including aventurine) and also one point that wasn't even mentioned is skill points fu xuan is skill point positive but ideally needs to use her skill every 2 turns or more often if she desperately needs energy to save her life with an ult meanwhile aventurine can do entire fights without using a single skill and you only really need to when the shields get low so if you build him fast he's an sp factory
True! I wish the ER on the skill was mentioned a bit better
Good video dude.
Thank you very much! Big fan of you Cooler Daniel ♥️
This is a very well-made and well-researched video! Definitely subbing, you deserve it.
Also, I was thinking about who to get for my acheron-silverwolf-blackswan combo, and i think both fuxuan and aventurine could work tbh. If i go aventurine, I might have to replace BS with pela or an SP positive unit. BUT the main point that I love about aventurine with acheron is the 18% crit dmg increase buff. Thats amazing, especially since my acheron has enough crit rate already. But on the other hand, FX is a quantum unit that pairs well with SW. Also, her E1 increases crit dmg by 30%. ARGGG this is a hard decision.
Anyway, great vid!! lol
Ahhh thank you so much!! Lol ♥️ That's a tough choice ! I think Aventurine will have the slight edge in nihility teams since he offers a debuff for Acheron stacks :D (2 with trend of universal market).
I've noticed there hasn't really been any videos comparing Aventurine to Gepard. They seem to me like the most obvious direct comparisons since Av and FX work in fairly different ways.
Sadly gepard just gets so heavily power crept 😔 not to say he isn't usable , but these two just provide so much more
Aventurine gives better shield value then Gepard with his Skill meanwhile Gepard Needs his ultimate to rely on shields........and also he's a standard banner character anyway ofcourse he will powercrept.......just like Bronya when Sparkle arrives.......
@@GachaMogul ngl i love gepard just because his ult animation is insanely satisfying and honestly one of my favourites in the game lol
does it even need any comparison? Aventurine is so much better than Gepard it's not even a competition. Gepard is not even in the same ball park. Like Aventurine is comparable to FX, even better in many aspects (FX only really has her more consistent CC prevention as being better than Aventurine tbh) gepard is just insignificant
@@leonidesbabanto1585 Aventurine is more dps oriented while Fu Xuan is a support. (Avent buffs himself more while FX buffs her teammates more) One thing they have in common is they do big pp damage when built as a dps!
Ill wait for fu xuan
Respectable 🙏
Reason?
@@Cocxy69 th-cam.com/video/_gMs1977NjY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KctQqullFQGlFQs1
Same, too Im saving for Fu Xuan
I have both. I fear no content.
As it should be! Having both must be so comfy 🙏
Same. FOR THE PRESERVATION!!
Same here but adven is way better
I'm skipping mainly because Gepard is absolutely fine in my account and I'm in a more need of supports than sustains. If I really need a new preservation, it'll be Fu Xuan since she's a better fit for DPS like Seele.
Also, I'm pretty sure MiHoYo will eventually create a boss whose mechanics deals piercing dmg/ignores shield making Geppie and Aventurine less viable/useless for future bosses like this. So I'll wait for the next preservation unit whose better at defending that scenario
Totally fair! That could definitely be something mihoyo could pull. Supports really do kinda run the game right now tbf, (ruan Mei is insane, probably #1)
@@GachaMogul I'm also hoping HSR will add relics that gives healers a chance to stay relevant. Something like "Gains buffs based on X% of healing" or "Gains a shield based on X% of healing". (Luocha would be insane for this since no character currently outheals him)
Adding something like this would really help characters whose mechanics are predominantly healing be more useful and prevents powercreep. To balance it out, the buffs just won't be as strong as someone like HuoHuo
As for supports, I'm also think we may get bosses/mobs that have a built-in buff removal mechanic just to balance out the reliance on supports (this is probably where shield/preservation units become more useful)
Yeah fu Xuan for me
I need my sustain to protect me, i already have shield god gepard, i want another one to protect me
Let the attack for the attacker, i just want from them to not let my team die
Fair point lol
With Aventurine you can actually have fun playing a sustain unit, not to hate on FX and Geppie, but they get boring fast imo
Fair enough, they are definitely much more vanilla compared to him!
Trust me give it enough time and he'll also become boring, he just has the benefit of being the shiny new toy right now.
@@imaybedead6096 i dont think so because aventurine have value in Simulated universe highest level. Looking at HSR, they definitely gonna update more on SU over MOC/PF. Fu xuan is mid there simply because she cant tank massive AOE damage, but outside that she is great. Golden gears conundrum is the real endgame content, MOC FC is just for casual players.
@@isaac7272 Huh? What does that have to do with how fun a unit is? Also I'm tired of people saying "she can't take massive AOE damage", because you'll rarely find a situation within the current state of the game where that is true, the only exception I can think of is gold and gears conundrum 12, and even then I can't validate that myself because I can't be bothered to play more gold and gears.
@@imaybedead6096 you already have the answer in your own statement. Each of them have their own usage.
Both are overall better than abundance units. However, I’d say probably Aventrine. Both are SS+. However, Aventurine brings DMG. Which leads to enemies dying faster.
Huohuo would be the contender here, as she does a lot of extra "harmony" things. But yeah AV and FX are definitely both SS! I can't wait to play with him... And his damage 🙂
Fu Xuan's crit rate buff to the dps is probably more impactful to overall team damage than Aventurine's damage.
@@AWater22 that's false, unless your builds are really mid
Why preservation is better than abundance? (Just asking since I thought both paths are equal)
@@notlithycal better buff mechanics, also not getting oneshotted and all
I play fu xuan with luocha in SU
All my team gets constent heal and buffs and she can tank AOE attacks because she is always full hp (if don’t then skill issue) Also, her skill last 3 turns when avanturine always has to use 1 skillpoint
True. Speed is more required for sp neutral on him slightly. His shields are very tanky though. Both are solid though! (I use luocha on my F2P!)
@@GachaMogul i’m f2p and fu xuan’s lc is op it heals all the team! Both are strong but i still prefer fu xuan with my 12% crit rate :)
Well I think your relics on aventurine purely depend on your light cone. The more def it gives the less you need on your relics. But like just def and spd boots is good enough. I think he is easier to build them du xuan that does dmg because all his def scales a lot in his damage. Also idk if fu is easier to play or more universal. In let’s say a kafka team the buffs they give don’t matter (as crit) and I think aventurine just performs better. Idk.
Depends yeah. Like AV can give 1-2 debuffs in a nihility team, for moreso Acheron. Only Acheron cares about the crit vs Black swan and kafka. Both are good in certain situations
Short answer - if you have fu xuan already you dont really need aventurine, unless you want him for FUA teams or acheron debuff stack, if you dont have fuxuan, go for aventurine
Yeah kinda. I'll probably go for both tho
Both are equally good in their own rights with their downs and ups regardless of E0-E6
Fu Xuan provides 3 Turns Crit Rate, Damage Cut and Max HP for 3 Turns 1 time AoE-ST Crowd Control immune to any allies everytime she used her Skills, heals for both herself and her Team with Ult, synergize well with Teams that can take multiple turns in 1 cycle due to the buff expiring when her turn's passed and faster Ult recharge from her Skill giving her at least 1/3 of her Max Energy not counting ERR Ropes
Downside is that she can prone to getting one shot in either Swarm Disaster or Gold and Gears. As for MoC, not that often, her Ult Breaking is gimped, she's locked from using Preservation's Blessing and she doesn't have a dedicated 4Piece Relic (assuming you want to assume this as one)
Aventurine can contribute more as a Sub DPS and breaker due to his Def Conversion to Crit Rate and multi hit Follow Up that can be easy to proc, easier build for Support that went Broken Keel and what might as well be a Permanent Uptime Thick Shield from continuous stacking, especially with FuA teams
Downside for him is like every other Shielder, fast attackers will expires his Shield's faster since the duration is with them and not him, potentially making him from SP Positive to SP Neutral-Negative, his Crit Damage amo is a Debuff meaning a high enough Effect Res Enemies can shrug it off and you still need to built Effect Res in ally to be safe from CC
Tldr, go for Aventurine if y̤o̤ṳr̤ account has Slow-Mediocre Speed DPS or Follow Up, Fu Xuan if your DPS are fast enough to do 3 actions in 1 cycle.
Yes, both of them are so good! They definitely shine in different content , I'll probably end up getting both. Good tips !
Thank you so much
First time i cleared difficulty 5 in swarm disaster , aventurine shield is really helpful, my team hp didn't drain a bit, stackable shield with high effect res and fua really carried my team
Niceeee
Imo, it depends if Aventurine is auto-friendly in the non-forward atk teams. His AI in the story trial was trashy. He used his normal atk instead of his skill shield on auto sometimes.. even when my party only had 10% shield left lol.. He can't even heal back the party after the HP loss from not shielding. I never had problem with FuXuan.
Auto battling is an interesting idea, I think the AI in general is kinda mid😭
definitely aventurine. just a little bit tho bc fu xuan is so good already. aventurine has that niche and general utility that fu xuan doesn't have.
Both definitely excel! Especially in their own teams, I'll probably go for both lol
He's a side grade. Both are superior to the other in certain comps but one isn't more comfortable than the other. Your team ain't dying with either on the team.
Yep! They're both crazy in their own way
me who have gepard from 50/50 loss and aventurine..... i also want fu xuan cause SHE SLAYSSS. prob get her rerun after 2.2 cause gotta be realistic a bit. and topaz is coming out so ratio needs GOOD FOOD.
TRUE. I have topaz so I might go for her LC!
i have neither and i am in a dire need for a sustain so i will be rolling for aven and i will get fx for my second team
Same here! Lynx and bailu are struggling especially as the content gets tougher 😔
@@GachaMogul really good informative vid btw I subbed
Fu Xuan small queen 👑
👑 and so sassy !!
Well, im just gonna get them both
The wisest choice 🙏
Now imagine having both in the same team no one would ever die 😂
True 😂😂
They are both must have characters. I think Fu is better in the long term for vertical builders though, or short term if your filthy rich.
Agree. Even at this point in his rerun, I think it's still very worth getting him
Get those view bro. Make that money 💪
As long as people enjoy the content 🙌
And the Winner is The third constestant *March 7"
-Easy To Build
-F2p
I'm didn't have Aventurine but get his Lightcone for March 7
Can be Sub-DPS too?
Hehehe😊
Follow-Up Easy to Understand with Taunting skill
Robin already around the corner-Good for Support Follow-up unit
That's true! Lol Robin will boost march 7 🧐🧐
@@GachaMogul
Aventurine maybe good since it have follow-up too, but it need to be stacked
So I'm think March 7 is the best Option as long the Shield been hit it will automatic follow-up
So with Tanky March 7, boost by Robin so she can be Sub-DPS at the same time
And Usually when there are March 7, there will be Clara(have follow-up too.. (Clara ulti:Damage Reduction)
March 7 (skill) > Clara + Robin Boost
(2 tank 2 sub- DPS just by one Character)
We have More than One Main DPS and Tank - yeah it just for fun theory
I have both of them now. In my opinion fu xuan is better cuz she a little bit easier to build, she give crit rate, CC res and for me her matrix is activ or not is more simple like i have enough shield on me from aventurine. BUT, i hate the fact that fu xuan skill dosen't have a cap. So in some scenarios if her skill is active and she does not have stack for the HP reset she will continue to take their damage for herself and dies from it even if the other teammates had enough HP to survive. and if thats happens the others will die one by one. Oh, yeah and if she had more than 50% of her HP and the enemy make a big AoE attack she will just take all the damage and dies even if she had stacks on her.
Aventurine's shield is really tanky. But he just give me a shield and if thats runs out my characters not get any back up like from fu xuan. But thats in just really hard scenarios like in the Swarm disaster V, Gold and Gears and in that fucking Bug weekly boss what i forgot to farm him cuz i really hate that one. Some times it just targeted my sparkle and almost killed her cuz her shield ran off (when i had in that team clara too, but the enemies always target my harmony characters. not they have the highest aggro, isn't it?) Aventurine is an easy build character and i always get Def relics so finally someone can use them.
I think both of them is really awesome, just i think fu xuan is a little bit better. But if u need to choose any of them it not will be a bad choice.
Exactly. Both are awesome choices, and are great units 🙏
My main team is going to be loucha, fu xuan, aventurine and blade. How could i lose? 😂
Immortality at its finest both in gameplay and lore 😂😂😂
I feel like you have to TRY to lose LOL
You lose by running out of cycles and also pulling hair out due to lack of damage 😂
Major problems with both of them is the lack of cleanse. With a lot of debuffs and DOT effects , it can get harder to protect your units in both cases , although most fights don’t last that long right now. Another problem I see is the lack of healing in aventurine kit which makes sense but if someone runs out of shield or gets hit more , this can create issues. Fu xuan also can have difficulty sustaining and healing the team in a long difficult fight. Although she makes it through MoC but I see some of the things she really weak with , lot is debuffs and that japa witch that use wind shear and reduces max hp absolutely ruins Fu Xuan. Units like that are a major problem for FU , Aventurine is also a pain when he does a lot of cc and reduces energy. That energy really hurts fu. Aventurine is a little better in this MoC because of that but he is kind of bad with a lot of debuffs too. That witch will be a pain with both. Lack of cleanse is the main problem of preservation units. This is also one of the reasons why March is still such a good unit. She can shield , heal and cleanse although only one unit .
They definitely still have things that they lack. The eff res does it's job though for all content we have so far
I have both! I'm unstoppable!
That's the true way 🙏
Man everyone who built sustains before Aventurine is crazy salty lately lol
Unlike me who just fails every sustain 50/50 LOL (I'm in pain)
i even build Fx, she would still amazing for a long time. But damn these people are coping that Aventirine will not be as good as Fx when in fact he provides the same, even to some extent "better"😂😂
@@GachaMogul same. Hope we both win our 50-50s this time 😭🙏🏻
@@GachaMogulMe too lmao, I Lost Fuxuan and Huohuo 😢
I bet you will be saying that after a few months after building Aventurine. For a company like Hoyoverse, the next set of 5 stars will always trump the older ones. That is how you make money. Why release the newest 5 star as inferior compared to the old ones?
My only 2 teams are hypercarry and DoT, so saving for fu and huohuo seems like the right move for me at this point (I think?)
Huohuo is best sustainer ATM for sure (we will see when AV comes out). AV is best for nihility especially with trend of the universal market. Thats a good plan tho!
@@GachaMogul AV provides crit damage buff on his ult, which for DoT is useless. He would be good in Acheron team but is wasted on DoT since it can’t crit
FX isnt a future proof lmao
she has no unique playstyle like aventurine in her kit in fact she is gonna get powercrept faster than him or any pres character she is barely surviving at high level game modes difficulty maybe only MoC where she can live but so is aventurine , devs started to counter her already with these penacony enemies
Nah, to get powercrept would be similar to gepard v aventurine. Gepard is still usable, but AV offers a ton more. Also, we probably won't have anything to happen that way for preservation for a long while
@@GachaMogul better sustain for your team is a powercreep while offering extra benefits for your team just like huohuo with the atk&energy buff compared to loucha she is by far better and aven is already doin it
FX is already getting demolished by penacony enemies and she is doing nothing at G&G and SU and she is less sp efficient than aven he literally use 0 sp on top of that her cc immunity can black ccs only not debuffs and its only once per skill we only had 1 or two preservation characters in the past patches which also increased the value of FX as she was only the limited preservation the other one is gepard and he is no where good at sustaining ur team that well as them
aven is already better than her but does that means she is unplayable? Absolutely not unless the game is against her
@@4..xBro Aventurine needs to use skillpoint if He doesn't get his FUA since his shield has an expiration
I have E1 Gepard, Luocha and E1 Bailu. So i want only one. I'm 45 pity currently. But haven't decided who to get🤔
Depends on who you have for dps and support! 🙏
Having the only two DPS characters that are health draining/want to be targeted (jingliu and blade) I have to stay strong and skip aventurine for huohuo 😭
Its okay that was a wise move, Aventurine are meant for not HP consuming DPS (special case are maybe DanIL)
Huohuo is amazing! I lost my 50/50 to yanqing 😭
Pulled him and built him in one day (F2P) !!
Rate this build:
4k+ def
200+ cd(with signature+talent),
65cr w/ talent
112 spd
Imaginary orb
Thank you!
Looks really strong! Getting that def with imaginary orb is great. Are you using 4 PC knight? Or 2-2?
@@GachaMogul 4pc knight
Not really a fan of Damage Mitigation. Good thing Aventurine feels so much better and comfy to use. His shield is just too thick and can be refreshed quickly. He is also super SP positive.
Also since his shield has 100% up most of the time that would also mean a permanent 50% EFF RES on the whole team. I did a high conundrum level on G&G and it's so satisfying to see the word "Effect RES" on everyone resisting Nihility's debuff. Even my Acheron resisted those debuffs with just a 54% EFF RES. I'd take the permanent 50% EFF RES than the one time CC resist per activation. At least with the 50% EFF RES bonus, it doesn't include yet the EFF RES stats you get from your relic substats and Broken Keel.
Also with high EFF RES everyone gets a chance to resist ANY kinds of debuff not only specified to CC like DoTs, stat reduction debuffs such as atl reduction, slow, def reduction and oh that Prana debuff from that one enemy that cuts everyone's Max HP. This is the reason why I find Aventurine's EFF RES buff more helpful than FX's one time CC resistance. Why resist only one when you can resist all?
Yeah his eff res definitely is very good. I'm in the process of building him now, can't wait to see how he rocks in the new su events coming soon 👀
im planning to get both, SUPPORT CHARACTERS FOR LIFE! I WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT I MADE IN GENSHIN!
You got this! I'll be trying it as well
Underrated channel
Thank you 🙏🙏
The Best character is the friendship we made along the way.
Very true ♥️
Use them both and become invincible (hp boost from Fu Xuan and infinite shield from aventurine)
TRUE
I really want aventurine but I dumped everything onto acheron and now im poor + im not guaranteed to win the 50/50
Acheron is definitely worth ! I feel the pain, I need to skip someone soon 😭
should i pull for fuxuan or aventurine if my main team consists achreon, silverwolf, and pela?
Aventurine for that team! He will add a debuff for Acheron, do damage, and be able to keep them alive! 💪
@@GachaMogul ok! thank you
My only gripe on Fu Xuan is that Preservation Path is useless on SU. However, Fu Xuan works well with Blade while Aventurine does not.
True. I love my bladie, and AV is not a good teammate for him
base on the early release i think aventurine gets free crit rate with his def max 4000 on his talents so I don't think it's necessary to go for img dmg orb
Yeah I may tweak it as necessary, I just rolled it so I thought "ah why not" 😂 I'll probably even run CD chest piece eventually
i wanna ask something, I'm new to this game...i just reached 40 trailblazer level, and when it comes to sustain i have only one limited sustain which is aventurine and so far he is carrying my whole team and very easy to play I'm using dr ratio and clara with him.
But i don't have any other limited dps beside Dr ratio, so i was Saving jades but now I'm bit confused.... should i pull for Fu Xuan in this upcoming banner or keep saving for dpc like acherona and jingliu etc.
I recommend jade or sam
Definitely save for dps! Having aventurine already is going to be great for your teams. Jingliu is amazing, Sam will be fantastic when he releases. So yeah I would say focus dps for now since you have aventurine! Don't fret too much either, at level 40 you have plenty of time to round out those teams 💪
@@GachaMogul i just got jingliu 😄i wasn't so sure if I'm gonna get her or not since 50/50 but got her even tho hit hard pity😅.
Just put ER rope on gepard, and he can literally spam shields. I love the prince.
IN THE NAME OF PRESERVATION
Do you put speed boots?
I have Fu Xuan and Gerpard so I am going for JL.
Love JL ♥️ best of luck!
Aventurine doing 600k dmg/ 3 turns is INSANE
So much hot gambler damage 😳
I'm tired of people overvaluing Aventurine, the only times he's actually better to have then Fu Xuan is if you are going for FuA teams, or if you want more debuffs for acheron. Another thing worth mentioning is that with Aventurine you will have to build ER for every character you want to play alongside him if you don't want to rely on RNG to resist CCs because not only do you only get 50% , the enemies also have effect hit rate.
It's also funny that there are people saying that "Fu Xuan will die if you get hit with AOE", it goes to show that they don't have Fu Xuan because if they did they would know as long as you have a decently built Fu Xuan that's almost impossible and only worth worrying about if they add future enemies that have way way stronger AOE attacks then they do now.
I don't think it's over-valuing. He's going to be a great unit, just like FX is. Will he be as universal , nah. But he will still be plenty good for most teams, and amazing in the teams he excels in
@@GachaMogulWell yeah that's obvious, I mean overvaluing as in people are acting like he's so good that he's just universally better then other sustain options like Fu Xuan or Huo Huo, when that just isn't the case.
I don't think people are overvaluing Aventurine!
he can do something different that other preservation characters can't or better like Debuff, Effect RES, Fua and Damage.
He might only be better in some teams that need Debuff or Fua but that would also be where most of his value would be!
It would be the same to say that people was overvaluing Luocha on his release... Back then people had problems with the heals and when he released he could hold the whole team alive without using skill points. You could say Fu Xuan is better in any way now and he is not that op anymore but that still doesn't change the stage the game was in when he released!
@@Asm0th I agree with you on the first part, the thing you have to understand though when I'm talking about "overvaluing aventurine" is that I'm talking about the people that are going to the extreme and huffing copium acting like he's universally just the best sustain when it just isn't true.
It's not the same thing to say people were overvaluing Luocha, because you would be using hindsight and comparing a much better future unit that we didn't have at the time to a past character release, whereas in this case I'm saying people are overvaluing a future character over the characters we already have in the game, not to say he's bad just that some people are seemingly taking the hype train way too far.
thanks a lot for this. i was worried lol cus i have a lot of built imaginary characters (DHIL, luocha, welt and ratio) and i also have jingyuan so... i was thinking if it would be better to pull for aventurine for mono but also i worry that it would be hard to make weakness breaks when all u got is imaginary T.T (i still cant decide for the life of me since im f2p)
Breaks are good, but in my opinion it comes down to more "do you need sustain and a bit more damage?" DHIL is tough to play since his extreme skill point usage - but cranks out nutty damage. As f2p it's important to build around who you want to! AV can definitely help if you run him with speed to get skill points back and keep those units alive, but depends if you need more harmony/buffers, etc! ♥️ Glad the video helped though
For Jing Yuan, hands down Fu Xuan is best. Luocha is great for IL team because he doesn't use SP
Unpopular opinion: I think Fu Xuan is better, since her failbility, for a lack of better word is lower. There is no way to remove the matrix and I can't imagine a mechanic that will do that. Now imagine we get a future boss who has a mechanic to deal extra damage to shields? Or in the current state of the game, suppose you fight Cocolia and she does her special aoe which depletes your Aventurine shield, then she freezes your Aventurine, then her Bronya advances her and she does her AOE again, while your shield is down and aventurine frozen? What follows is that you lose. That will never happen to Fu Xuan, since she will block the freeze and even if she gets frozen, there is no shield to deplete, as long as she is alive and kickin your party is immortal. I am sure Aventurine is broken, but objectively speaking you will have a hard time proving he is better than Fu Xuan. Now in terms of offence you can argue that he is better, especially if you have Topaz & Ratio. At the end of the day, both units will get the job done, so pull the better looking one - Fu Xuan 😅😅
They're both great! Definitely strong in different comps, I'll probably get both 😂
After playing with both of them for a while, I feel more comfy with Fu Xuan 90% of time.
Aventurine is way better on Ratio/Topaz team though.
True. I gotta build up ratio to get that team going
Aventurine is probably BIS support for Acheron, especially e2-
For now I agree, I'm hoping we get some "nihility esque" supports later
I'm currently puzzled too. My sustain that I used are Luocha, Gepard (sometimes Bailu). I got a variety of DPS such as DHIL, Kingyuan, Kafka, Clara, Xueyi, Acheron. Currently on 40 pity 50/50 with 60 warps left. Any suggestions ?
That's a pretty solid set of characters! Luocha is very good and will get through pretty much anything. I think for your teams it will just be rounding them out with the supports: i.e. harmony units or other ones they synergize with! Units like bronya, ruan Mei are very strong, (Pela for Acheron as a 4 star example)! Hope this helps!
@@GachaMogul Thanks for the suggestion! I already have all the supports tho (except Sparkle because saving for Acheron). Might wait 5 star Pela or any broken unit 😂.
There’s also Fu Xuan being a ridiculous sub-dps with erudition blessings in SU lol
👀 That would be fun to see too
"The Effect RES increases by 50% for a single ally with Fortified Wager. " another L wording from mihoyo even tho it says single ally everyone gets it
Yeah, I should've tested more from the story one, but the wording is definitely missing 😭
Fu Xuan is better if you can kill enemies faster otherwise Aventurine better for long battles
Yeah the shields are way strong
i still choose aventurine over fu xuan, your fu xuan could die if enemy launches a great AoE attack while aventurine you could just reapply your shield after enemies attack since shield is an Extra bar of Hp
Fair point. Aventurine will definitely be stronger for AoE enemies