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I have a feeling that hoyo will artificially make Aventurine meta by making more enemies like the robo gorilla in the future that get countered by shields.
Sam and Death also have attacks that deal damage that ignores dmg reduction. I feel like hoyo realized that they made Fu Xuan too OP so they are making enemies specifically designed to counter her and sell Aventurine as the solution.
This reminds me of how they added wolves, who ignore shields and you need healers to survive them, to genshin
Meta in penacony map seems towards DoT x FUA teams.
@@arishaaishi Wait, there are wolves in Genshin?!?
The inazuma ones@@Glirion__
if they do this and they will force people to pull the characters hoyo wants if they want to clear the content then they will lose many players in the future
Only 6 hours ago, I asked for an Aventurine v. Fu Xuan video. Boom. Thanks, EODGamer.
Regarding Abundance vs Preservation, Preservation also has a higher taunt value. Since they get attacked a lot more often, they pair naturally with The Hunt, who has the lowest taunt value among the paths. Since Destruction usually manipulates HP, they are more so meant to be paired with Abundance (though, that’s not true for Arlan and possibly Sam)
Hunt and Erudition have the same taunt value, so that's not particularly too much of a distinction aside from Destruction.
Even if they are Hunt or Erudition, I still put them beside my Tanks....coz of Energy Burst Clutches.
Especially for DPSes who need to use 3-4 SP to reach their Burst.
@@prettyandrich you’re right, my info is outdated.
Tingyun has more aggro than every path combined 😂
Aventurine giving 50% EFF RES to all allies protected by thick and refreshing shield and a self-CC resist is already enough answer
Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't fu xuans matriz of prescience offer the same eff res?
@@radleytimajoFu xuan has a 1 time cc resist. She doesn't give effect res
@@radleytimajo nope if I'm not mistaken her Matrix only gives CC resistance not EFF RES increase. EFF RES stats can resist any form of debuffs including CCs, DoTs, and other debuffs. Aventurine on the other hand can give a 50% EFF RES to all allies protected under his shield including him plus he gains a self-CC resist.
50% yeah, that's the key
FX skill won't be able to block stat debuff (atk, def, speed ⬇️) and DoTs. Only CCs like mind control, imprison, stun, etc, but only 1 time per skill.
For Aventurine, it's more of a chance to dodge debuffs as long as they are shielded.
Technically, Dr. Ratio could also be considered part of the IPC since the Intelligentsia Guild is under its umbrella.
And Asta mentioned that he's a sort of a delegate
IPC is all about follow-up attacks baby
13:14 QQ Nihility transformation confirmed 🙏
She gambles until becoming nihility
This was exactly what I needed. I really want a sustain and I can't decide whether to get Aventurine or wait for FuXuan's rerun. I'd love to have them both for different reasons. Maybe I'll leave it up to fate: pull for Aventurine and if I lose the 50-50 I'll save the rest for FuXuan instead. XD
We're in the same boat bro. That and the need to roll gacha is really consuming me. Been saving since SW's rerun back in december.
Same here. I like FX as a character much better, but having been sustained by Gepard through the early game content, I would be very comfortable with the "shields, but better" playstyle of Aventurine. But I'm definitely going for Jingliu, so I'm probably going to have to skip Aventurine.
@@Harutegn Wow, that is discipline!
@@HarutegnU should build pity 😏
unrelated but you’re the only other person that puts nyanko sensei as their profile other than me😂
You're killing it with all the content. Keep up the good work brother. Take a rest when needed, dont push yourself too hard.
Thank you!! This is what I've been looking for. You are the best! Straight to the point, Great analysis, Easy-to-understand explanation, you just do everything right.
imo both are good but I wouldn't be surprised if hsr introduces content down the line that will give aventurine a slight advantage. that's just how these games work, keeping the meta changing even in slight favor of new units = sales
I have FuXuan but i'll pull for Aventurine
+1
+1
Same with me. I'll assign Aventurine to my FuA and DPS Nihility teams.
that is not smart, but its your account
@@dw7080 What not smart is thinking pulling for a character is in any way wrong.
@@dw7080 this is a gacha game, i pull for enjoyment not meta nor for saving some jades. I already do 36* MoC and full PF 💁🏻♀️
Worth mentioning that Aventurine can inflict debuffs on both Ult and FUA. With Trend of the Universal Market. can debuff off turn, making him probably the best sustain for Acheron. You could also use him with Dr Ratio and 2 harmony supports. I was going to skip him but now not so sure.
Or you can go fua team Ratio Topaz Supp/Debuffer and Aventurine
debuff on fua is only with his sig. so if you run trend you can only debuff off turn and on ult, which isn’t bad but something to note. also could be possible Acheron gets another sustain in the future that she would prefer over aventurine.
@@oneddev You're right thanks for the correction.
Actually if you wanna use a Preservation sustain, Fire MC would actually be Acheron’s BIS tank with Universal equipped. While Aventurine can do the job, he can’t 100% guarantee the debuff being applied by being hit, while Fire MC has a taunt to guarantee the burn proc.
@@xWiZ3 true but fire MC shield isn't strong enough to keep the team alive during tougher fights. I've tried. The debuff on hit is really nice though, but couldn't we just put that lc on aventurine?
aventurine actually has crowd control mitigation on himself for 2 times after he used his skill it's in one of his traces so even if your team is cced he still does his own follow up atk whenever the enemy hits your team with his shield
Also I want to say that fu xuan can get powercreeped by mobs with massive aoe dmg and healing reduction and we're already seeing that with Sam in penacony being more difficult for her to deal with compared to shielders
I mean aventurine will also get powercreeped if they make bosses and enemies that counter shields. And it will probably happen when a new sustain releases. So is he a better investment for future ?
@@notnero09That's just pure speculation.
@@notnero09HOLY BACKREADING....FU XUAN COPER KEEP COPING😂😂😂AVENTURINE ON TOP ALL DAY
i literally cleared conundrum lvl 12 with fx only so not she won’t be powercrept☠️
@@Cocxy69 they can make enemies that weakens shielding or deal damage through shields or something like that. You think there won't be any counters to him , later on ?
5:08 slowing down enemies is also some sort of a sustain method.
Lets say you're fighting against triple Sam, Aventurine outshines Fu Xuan there.
It's not just follow up attackers, Acheron also likes Aventurine. He's arguably her best in slot sustain.
There is one more thing to aventurine, in SU there are a lot of good buffs for shielders and not so many for fu’s kit. I’m looking forward to see a high lvl conundrum with aventurine as sustainer
waiting for aventurine to do preservation path for Swarm and GnG. Currently I only have fire mc for shields and it’s just not it
I use destruction path for Fu Xuan bc it has the hp stuff and dmg taken buffs
@@omppu65 There's that blessing that splits damage between party members that's terrible for her. I prefer Abundance path with her.
@@p1p3B0mber yeah but you don't have to pick that one and you can also combine abundance/preservation blessings with the destruction path to boost survivability. I think the destruction blessings give enough shields and heals on their own though and there's also that blessing that can revive a fallen unit
@@omppu65 the only issue with destruction path is that Cataclysmic Variable always wastes 1 stack of her passive after activating resonance. Other than that, team is basically immortal.
The thing you need to know is that effect res is guaranteed to withstand cc just like crit, so if in the future there is a harmony that can buff dmg/effect res simultaneously it will make aventurine go crazy, especially if you add a new relic/planar that increases effect res teammates. In my opinion increasing the res effect is more valuable than holding the cc once, because in reality now there are enemies who can have double cc and there is a possibility that you will face a full cc enemy, this is where the res effect works if it is in a guaranteed condition, then You will be immune to CC even if the enemy attacks you continuously with CC
So who would you recommend based on what you've said?
Aventurine, correct ?
effect res does have a percentage chance like crit though. bosses and elites with high effect hit rate will raise the amount of effect hit res you need.
@@helpbtsisinmydreams5977it depends on your account if you use fua teams more aventurine would be perfect for you. If you have sparkle you could lean into mono quantum. For more general situations I would slightly lean towards fu xuan for the extra utility she gives.
@@oneddev effect hit rate can still be caught by effect res
@@user-oz9ze9vc9z yea but it’s not fully guaranteed. if I recall effect res is calculated as real chance = base chance *(various multipliers). So 80% effect res doesn’t mean you will resist 80% of debuffs. So in a situation where a boss has a higher effect hit rate, you characters can still have a chance of being cc’ed, which adds an extra layer of rng. Kinda how s5 pearls works, even with 100% chance to reduce the enemies defense, you still need some effect hit rate to ensure 100% uptime against higher effect res enemies.
I really like how much actually thought you put into your content. A grade A theory crafter you are.
I think they will probably add enemies who can deal dmg based on our units hp. It can br quite detrimental for characters with high hp like fuxuan. The only way to mitigate that is probably shields (just an idea)
I've been expecting for this vid!
I don't think fuxuan is as hard as you think to get powercrept/nerfed.
Bosses like Sam already weakened her global viability cause they suck fixed amount of the team hp anyways without hitting them directly. If you don't have enough dps to finish him quickly the longer the fight the weaker fuxuan condition is against him compared to other healers.
They already think of ways to nerf her, that's something I really like about hsr team is that they keep balancing the game indirectly with ways that doesn't break it.
@@darkhydra4262the aventurine boss saps energy. It could be a indicator of future regular enemies having it
yeah i think it was completely missed from being mentioned in the video that fu xuan is literally losing traction in the meta RIGHT NOW
You do realise the balancing is there because they want you to spend money right? Not because they want the game to be fair and fun but because they only care about your money not you as a person or a player.
@@Krugmatik ppl would be wasting money and shit even if it was unbalanced yk that damn right, the chars that most sell only sell cuz of fanservice ppl doesnt even care if a character is good or not they just spend and thats it cuz this game not even that competitive my guy.
@@Krugmatik fr these hoyo slaves seeing old characters get nerfed into oblivion and goes "oMg ThEy'Re bAlAnCiNg tHe gAmE i lOvE iT 😍😍". What a good thing that this old limited 5 stars sustain is sh*tty for this new boss fight if you have bad dps
If you want crit rate: go for fu Xuan
If you want crit damage: go for Aventurine
At the end both are good and will not disappoint.
Feel the need to point out: Fu Xuan’s method of sustaining the team by mitigating damage is (currently) unique to her, so she’s (probably, don’t have her lol) extremely valuable in double sustain comps. Running multiple sustains who do the same thing can lead to diminishing returns; you can’t heal characters past full HP, and shields (from different sources because APPARENTLY I have to clarify that) don’t stack with each other, so personally I feel like running a healer and a shielder generally provides more value than either two healers or two shielders. Pretty much every other sustain in the game right now primarily sustains the team by either healing or shielding; Fu Xuan has a different kind of sustain that isn’t either of those, yet she provides many of the benefits of a shielder (making your team more resistant to oneshots) without the downside of their shields wearing off, which happens a lot if you’re running a hypercarry who takes many turns. Her damage mitigation also works in tandem with shields to sustain the team, rather than one simply overshadowing the other (which would be the case with two shielders).
Personally, I run double sustain comps in SU, it’s the only way I’ve gotten as far as I have in Gold and Gears. I use Lynx and Gepard, and I’d probably swap out Lynx for Fu Xuan if I had her (since Fu Xuan also provides some healing, and SU provides many additional sources of healing, plus buffs that increase healing received).
to what you said about shields not stacking, aventurines shields will be stackable
@@43d4n5 Aventurine is one character. His shields don't stack with shields from another character so you wouldn't want to run him with another shielder.
I think Aventurine's Imaginary type is very fitting for a sustain unit, even if he dabbles in damage. In the end, you want your sustain to prevent as much damage as possible, be it a shield or slows or healing. It also helps mitigate Aventurine's lack of CC cleansing abilities.
hey EOD !! if i had an option to get 2 healers 1 shielder or 2 shielders and 1 healer which one would u prefer?
Shiueld penetration is a neat idea, but kinda shit as well TBH. If they do it, you have two sides and if they start doing it on both sides then that's idiotic because they cuck people who decided to buy their characters. I also doubt it will ever happen. Even Sam mechanic can be brute forced with HH, just makes it harder
I thought you were going to take a break, but you keep coming back with more videos 😂
I have DH IL , jing yuan, kafka , Dr ratio and will also get acheron so between aventurine , Fuxuan , huohuo and luocha which one would you suggest for me to get ?? ( I have fully built gepard , bailu and lynx for sustain )
this wasn’t mentioned but the sam boss rendered fu xuan useless with him decreasing allies hp with a fixed amount from when skill points were used
No problem with my E0 FX without her sig. Sam didn't counter FX at all. It's a skill issue probably
@@lesterism ok she becomes a basic attack bot while the rest of your team is below 30% max hp… she’s a 5 star sustain, id be pretty disappointed if she was unusable against specific enemies. I just think that it really wasn’t explored in the video with all the different ways hsr has made or could make fu xuan less favourable to use and the bias was clear regarding that
@@damozvthat's skill issue because I don't have shield beside healing and good rotation.
@damozv FX is a basic attacker anyways. You only refresh her skill every 3 turns unless something goes horribly wrong. And that doesn't change in the Sam fight. She offers more utility than just mitigation, and did just as well in the Sam fight as any other fight I've taken her into. The only fights I've ever struggled to bring her in has been Swarm and the weekly bug.
I used her against Sam and it was pretty fine, unless your DPS clears really slowly it shouldn't be an issue
One important thing is that both can be power creeped
For Fu Xuan they can release an unremovable debuff that blocks you from healing and for Aventurine an enemy that attacks throught shields.
So just pull for who you like the most
I don't think I will be pulling for adventurine, but then again, I didn't need sparkle, but here is am with e0s1 sparkle on an account with e5s1 bronya. And before it is mentioned, I know that in most cases sparkle is just better then bronya and that just in general sparkle is OP, but I don't like pulling for characters I don't need, I would rather save rolls for ones I do need, but adventurine does look like he will be good, but I already have e4s1 gepard so is it really worth?
btw, e4s1 gepard and e5s1 bronya are from lost 50/50s and 75/25's, I didn't specifically roll for them or their lightcones.
Aventurine. Easy. Stonky all party shield skill? Follow up counter attack? Enemy Debuff? Yeah, easy choice.
It's going to depend on how chunky his shield is: the fact that it's party wide AND stackable is great, but it might also mean that it's a small one. Having to skill every turn to keep the party alive might be problematic (depending on how skill hungry the rest of the team is, of course)
@@Justin-Thymecorrect me if I’m wrong but I believe we saw that both Aventurine’s follow up and ult can reapply a shield to the team. Although I’m not sure if they’re the same as his skill; they might be. Meaning he might not have to use skill every turn. I guess we will have to wait for his release
@@Justin-ThymeHis shield (from skill) is better than Gepard's
@@Justin-Thyme his shield from skill is about 80% the size of geppys but it gets stronger and keeps refreshing all the time plus it stacks to 2 times the normal value which makes it much stronger than gepards, honestly theres no combination of enemies you can find a fully defensive aventurine cant deal with
@@Justin-Thyme while using him in the story, if an enemy does an aoe and manages to hit all of the party members thats an instant 5 stack out of 7. He has insane shield generation u almost doesnt need to use his skill
If I want to run Aventurine with Acheron together what relic set is worth investing in? 2 pc def and 2 pc diver? I also have the trend lc at s2 and don't know if it's worth pulling for his sig (I have enough saved for Acheron and her sig and I'm not interested in Robin or Boothill).
Yes. That way you the get the maximum amount of dmg from Aventurine, since Acheron will be there
The current 4 light cones in the game should be good enough, if you want to mid-max his dmg and def then his sig is def worth
Wow, I just woke up and wallah!!! New video😅
Great points, but i do have a pretty decent built gepard, and I'd like fu xuan more for her offensive buffs. She fits really well with ratio, seele,jing yuan and jing liu
While I do have quite the FUA in my account for a F2P (Topaz E1S1, Ratio, Clara, Blade to a lesser extent), the idea of a Mono Quantum team with Sparkle and Qingque could also be good. Though for that I would still likely need to pick Silver Wolf, and I can just use Lynx as the fourth (though she will have a tougher time than Fu Xuan for sustain).
I also have Gepard + LC already (lucky standard banner rolls), but as you said he is kinda counter-intuitive. He certainly is effective still when I use him though. Gepard aside, Aventurine with Gepard LC could be quite a combo; FUAs and shields all over the place.
I guess after thinking aloud for it all, while Fu Xuan certainly has some benefits over Aventurine, such has guaranteed CC prevention and helping prevent super-big attacks from nuking a single team member, Aventurine seems to be a better choice overall for how my account currently is. inb4 regret
Man, this patch is insane. I just hit Equilibrium 5, with a (kind of) decked main team and in the process building the account with endgame in mind. Each and every banner has something that could be very valuable for me!
rm blackswan sparkle acheron avent and more you are in a bad position man
I want to make the best team for Acheron now (i have SW) I'm not sure which one I'll get, but I think I'll pick Fuxuan putting trend of universal market..............and will there be a chance of a preservation character for Acheron in the future? kind of like aventurine is more for FUA
Love these videos from you king! 🔥 will you also compare Adventurine to Luocha because his re-run is happening now and I’m not sure wether I’d pick him or Adventurine 😰
Omg nvm you already did!!! 😂 mb
I´m pulling for Aventurine, simply because I have insane relics for him XD
80 CR 200 CDMG 4500 Def 143 spd (including his sig. which I will also get)
Does he need spd?
@@goosefan1 only to generate SP I think, but the Team I have planned will Need that 😅
@@Soul-wz5fsI think Aventurine is SP positive, so going SPD is good but not the best probably.
@@xenoemblem7 What kind of logic is that? Most Supports NEED to go before their DPS so that they can provide SP for the DPS to use. Why do you think minmaxers build a 160+ SPD Ruan Mei?
@@abbyy6361rip I need more speed then cuz I only got 155
dude ur fucking destroying every content creator i hope you keep going loving it
Other content creator too much drama 😂
other ones are calling every new character broken (when they arent) without considering pull value its so cringe
I just hope his comment section stays intellectual about topics on the game. It's really off putting to a channel when comments sections are filled with half-witted joke(if even) and provide absolutely no value to either the video or topic at hand.
@@ihateonslaughtI'm also more into the strategy of the game myself, but why police other people's fun? HSR is a game, and at the end of the day games are a way to have fun.
Not once have I stated people have to stop making jokes I just gave a subjective opinion. If you think about all of the garbage me and probably you consume everyday in forms of media it can tiresome reading the same "jokes" that don't move a argument or conversation foward.Sometimes I wanna read a comment and learn something new instead of "Genshin could never" or the degenerate corn comments@@sfzndo
I think he will be amazing because some bosses are better with healing and some are better for damage reduction like fu xuan but now there’s enemies like Sam where having a shielder would be good
Yo can you do a video on or talk about Acheron and Adventurine synergy
aventurine will def be better for future, FUA teams open up another possibility to play and best of all we got Dr Ratio for free
At the end depends on your dps and team comp. I’ve decided to get fu xuan and a healer like huo huo that would be enough for an account imo.
kinda dumb question but if I dont have fu xuan, should I summon for aventurine then? I don't have any 5 star preservation other than baliu and I just cleared the story. my main teams are dot with kafka and planning to use dr ratio. Idk if I should pull for aventurine or archeron more.
If you're struggling to finish moc because you're dying often consider aventurine,but if you like Acheron pull for her
Huohuo is a better choice for DoT
Don't forget that eventually, if you keep playing the game, you will be able to clear content regardless of who you pull. The big question should be "do I want to have him" rather than "do I need him".
@@oli201 Okay thank you that helps a lot. I've only been playing for two months and I am in the process of building my second team as I completed the story and side events using kafka, black swan, natasha and fire mc
@@oli201understandable but that's kinda backwards TBH, first thing you need in early game is get survive by not to get your account fucked up with impulssive pulls or waifu over meta for a coomers. It be better to prioritize need first then being greedy ass later IMO.
CC moves can go through shields?? Didn't know that since shield isn't a common thing
enemy pierce shield = RIP Aven
enemy atk base on max hp % = RIP Fu
Sam is already FX worst nightmare.
I need avent in gold and gears SU coz fuxuan can't handle it😂😂😂
🤔 maybe a few possible way for developer to bypass FX is to make enemies that ignore damage sharing effects or ignore all damage reduction.
But this will only be targeting Fire MC and FX xD
Another plus point for effect resist is XD it can resist enemy’s DoT
I'm just reaching end game and I need to pick up a second sustain to replace my lynx (I have huohuo). My teams are Seele/Sparkle/SW, Ratio/SW/RuanMei, Argenti/Hanya/Tingyun, and Acheron/Pela/SW. FX would be an upgrade for MonoQ, but Adventurine has better synergy with Ratio (FUA), and Acheron (Debuff). What does everyone suggest for me, FX or Adv?
What Im debating is wether I should pull him or not for dan il team, I have sparkle fu xuan and tingyun with dan and the team works very well. Thing is i also have silver and seele so i thinki would get more value of fu xuan if I used her on a mono quantom team. I am thinking of adding fu zuan to my mono quantom but im not sure what sustain would work with with dan, can anypne give me their opinion on this?
Fu xuan
I'll take that Thicc Shield anytime of the day Adventurine 100%.
who tf is adventurine
@@abbyy6361 LOL THEY ALWAYS got the name wrong 😭
@@fujinerz1220 Yesterday i saw someone typed "Archeron" I simply CAN NOT.
does his fua with his signature lightcone gives a debuff?
One is a for fua team and probably future ipc team and the other one is for monoquantun. Fuxuan is better for general basic team i guess, but honestly both are kinda the same powerlevel lol. Also shield is becoming more meta, so adventurine would probably be a better investment.
I have Gepard e1 who should I pull?
@@SoroionoGepard e1 is great as a sustain, but both FX and Aventurine will feel more comfy to play.
Since Gepard's shield is locked to his ultimate, he can't be quite as consistent with keeping his team shielded - especially for fast characters who take a lot of turns since his shield is connected to his allies' shields.
FX's and Aventurine's sustain is both connected to their skill. FX has to refresh her skill every 3 turns, and has a tiny amount of team healing on her ultimate.
Aventurine should refresh his shield every 2 turns, unless in a FUA team since FUAs refresh his shield and makes him more SP positive.
FX and Aventurine are both great options, and you can't go wrong with either of them. FX is better in single target and Aventurine is better in aoe.
Keep in mind though, that the meta often shifts to the newest character coming out. I don't expect FX to struggle, but it's undeniable that in the upcoming fights, Aventurine will be a better option.
wait didn't adventurine have some sorta special shield that blocks cc 1 time or something? Might be misremembering but i thought he had a way to help block CC
it's just for him if I'm not mistaken but he does give anyone with a shield 50% eff res
he gives 50% effect resistance (which increases your chances of resisting a CC effect) which as an example when I use broken keel on supports and get to that 30% threshold even that is enough to resist most of the time my Bronya has almost 50% effect res and has never gotten CC'd, so while the 50% is not going to always guarantee CC prevention it will definitely be handy a lot of the time imo.
Gonna pull for space IRS. I was taking a break from the game when fu xuan came out and now I just want fun characters
I mean fu xuan can die if a boss has dmg over time on your whole team she gets nuked (nihilty su)
I mean so can Aveturine.
@@SMZahin-bb3gx not really the shield take the dmg and the characters have health as well so I won’t just blow up
@@SMZahin-bb3gxfuxuan scks on SU. Lmao.
@@SMZahin-bb3gxmy Fu Xuan gets almost one shotted by Kafka in SU. It shows Aventurine is better in some cases plus the effect res.
HYV needs to sell sustainers, and with all players needing only 1 on each side, they continually shift the meta around to bait players into pulling.
FuXuan is definitely strong but I’m expecting the meta to slowly shift away from her damage mitigation style similar to how Sam does it in the story.
When she returns is when HYV will probably start adding enemies that hard counter shields.
Aventurine is undoubtably super powerful but I don't think he outvalues Fu. the guaranteed one time CC resist is just too good especially compared to a tiny 50%eff res that also requires him to skill. unless his damage ends up being outrageous (for a sustain) I think they'll be on par with each other
I don't think you read his lit correctly, he gives himself cc resist just like fu xuan and the 50 effect res is always there as long as they have a shield
can clara counter attack proc anventurine follow up stacks?
I don't see why not
yes but aventurine might draw aggro away from her
@@swisherrrr If you put them next to each other she will get most of the hits, unless they're single target. But most enemies in this game have aoe dmg anyways
thank you for the responses
Off topic but as an Irish person thank you for pronouncing Gallagher correctly 🙏
What I always keep saying what if and upcoming Support Lile a new ruin mei has CC Buff like fu xuan or Cleanes each turn like Huohuo then some of these Tanks like Adventurine and Gepard might become more relevant
As a Fu xuan haver, she is great, the only time she died for me was when I used her lvl 1 for shits and giggles, however aventurine (from the trial) feels like he's hard asf to kill too (basically a 5 star gepard) so yeah, if you gonna pull just pull for aesthetics and some synergies like mono quantum or follow ups
Umm, Gepard is a 5 star himself, sir. 🤓☝
It can be said that, Aventurine is a "5 star" March 7th.
Kinda answered it at the end but I am stuck deciding if I want to get Luocha or Aventurine. I got FX and geppard and Lynx. No bailu or huohuo. Typing it out it seems Luocha would be the clear choice but I do have all the the FU characters and would like to add Aventurine to that 😭
I would say go for Luocha. It's his first rerun meaning we probably won't see him again until 2025. Aventurine will probably rerun pretty soon after he leaves.
luocha haver here, he's worth it. SP friendly and never dies with him in the team
I think both of them has unique skill and advantage than any preservation. Their both top tier tank in game
Can anyone help I thought fu xuan was gonna be this update so I saved up for her but luocha is coming not a fan of his design or anything but my only healer is Natasha is it worth it to skip if I don't like him or do yall think huo huo will be back soon I like her. BTW I already have Geopard
You can get Lynx for free from somewhere and I think she'll also be on the 4* selector in 2.1 so you could get her while waiting for Fu Xuan. I think Huohuo could be rerunning in 2.3 or bit later. There could also be a new healer before their reruns
Just the video i needed, thank you!
Also keep in mind that FX's damage mitigation relies on casting her Ult and we already have enemies that decreases energy. Not able to refresh her stack means she can't continously mitigate the damage. Adventurine can keep up with his shield through his skills(uses SP) but also with his talent
This is the exact topic I was looking forward to. Great content as always.
My bias choice is the same as yours. Fu Xuan's kit just feels a lot better than Aventurine's kit. Her eidolons offer better ROI as well.
better ROI on her eidolons? after E2 you would be absolutely silly or just an absolute simp to get another eidolon on her
@@damozv calm down, Damien. Point to where Fu Xuan hurt you .
This might be a dumb question, but why is Aventurine so good in follow-up attack teams? Is it just because he does follow-up attacks? I've seen a lot of people saying that but haven't seen anything about why
He does a FUA after getting 7 stacks on random enemies
@@isky6541 I know, but I'm not sure why he works well with characters like Topaz and Dr Ratio in a team specifically because they also use FUA. That's the part I'm confused by
@@Akeyins It just speeds up Numby more, makes the team more powerful. Did I get it right what you meant?
@@isky6541 maybe? Does his FUA make his team's FUAs stronger or something? It kinda sounds like that's what you're saying, but I thought his FUA was just damage and another shield
@@AkeyinsEasy way to explain. If you have shield, enemy hits you while having shield, he gets one stack of his passive. If the enemy hits him also, he gains another stack. Like the previous comment, if you reach 7 stacks, he'll launch a FUA.
His ultimate will deal dmg and inflicts a debuff(?) I'm not so sure if it counts as debuff right now, but for sure, if your unit attacks the enemy that inflicted by Aventurine from his ult, your unit dmg will have an increase in crit dmg. It's like Dr. Ratio ult where he inflicts on the enemy but instead of triggering FUA, it triggers a buff to the unit that attacks it.
i have luocha, gepard, huo huo and fu xuan. and still pulling for himmaybe because im simping for his snapping fingers sound. and im pulling for a guy😏
that comment on the typing for adventurine's typing is so true! I never understood why they made March and Gepard ice for the same reason, I dont want the freezes (as useful as they are) because it takes a turn off of your shields depending on your speed
on the other hand, the freeze is also useful if you're not quite able to gepard ult yet and need one more turn or to freeze the field with March to avoid damage overall (her follow ups aren't doing much damage anyway)
the freeze is when your shield is down, basically working as a turn extension for negating dmg. thats why any non cc break will be lower value because if your shields drop then youre taking full dmg. Gepard and march would be worse if they were wind, fire, lightning, not better
Moc- Both
SU - Aventurine
Pure fiction - Aventurine
Sub dps Damage- Aventurine
Critical rate value to the team - Fu Xuan
Critical dmg value to the team - Aventurine
Best slot in mono quantum team - Fu Xuan
best in extra attacks team - Aventurine
Best in break team - Aventurine
Best in Debuff team - Aventurine
Sp positive - Both
Heal - Fu Xuan
Effect Res - Aventurine
the only thing that makes me consider fu xuan is the crit rate buff
@@Cocxy69 FX could also use Broken keel. You know what else she could do? Permanent and consistent crit buff instead of having to rely on your ultimate to get it. Aventurine's CDM is also a form of debuffs, it's tied to the enemy's turn, and it makes him anti synergical with someone who can manipulate enemies' turns like Ruan Mei because RM's thanatoplum rebloom actually counts as 2 turn for the enemies when they try to recover from breaks which makes aventurine's debuff expire way faster. FX is all about consistency, and Aventurine's whole kit literally revolves around gambling.
I have a question! I'm really struggling to decide if I should pull for Luocha, Aventurine, or Fu Xuan. My main team is E0S0 DHIL, E0S1 Sparkle, E0S0 Silver Wolf, and E6 Lynx. At the moment I have a guaranteed event character but I'm low on pulls and pity so I don't know if I'll be able to grab Luocha. If I save over 2.1, I think I'll be able to get Fu Xuan + her light cone. I appreciate that Aventurine has a lot of potential and he's probably a good choice, but I don't use Dr. Ratio nor do I have Topaz. I also have Seele and she needs the crit rate boost to reach 100% so I'm heavily leaning toward Fu Xuan. I'll list the rest of my characters, let me know who's the best option!
These are the rest of my characters, all E0 S0 (no signature light cones.)
Argenti
Ruan Mei
Jing Yuan
Blade
@@ThePinkyuu why fu xuan light cone? is not necessary, 2 sustains t5 is much better than 1 sustain with light cone, i suggest you try aventurine and fu xuan, you has many dps options but only lynx as sustain
@@ThePinkyuu you have the duo quantum core (SW-Sparkle), Jingyuan, and Seele... if you're not pulling for Fu Xuan then i dont know what you're doing...
Aventurine has the same cc prevention type of value fu xuan does. 50% eff res is enough to resist plenty of debuffs and for fu xuan you need to use her skill alot of times to refresh her cc prevention but for aventurine, the 50% eff res is permanent while also having a self cc resist for himself. I think this gives them equal value only because aventurine is a little more sp efficient in this aspect. (and for me who plans to use bronya with aventurine, i won't even have that problem at all)
Aventurine would only be SP efficient in a FUA-focused team. He needs to use his skills whenever his shield runs out (without consistent FUAs, you won't even be able to stack his shields for it to be able to protect your team).
The Eff Res Aventurine gives to his allies is from his shield, so it's not permanent. Also, if there are more enemies later having higher EHR, Aventurine higher eff res would be useless compared to Fu's guaranteed cc-immune. Shields also has some kind of anti-synergy with speed/fast characters, thus why no one recommends you using Gepard with Asta or Hunt characters cuz the shields will run out while your DPS (especially Hunt characters) is zooming. Fu's dmg mitigation is more like a field, so even if she gets cc'ed or captured, her field is still active.. meanwhile, Aventurine's shields will disappear if he gets cc'ed (very low chance) or captured (this can't be resisted, these are guaranteed).
So, no. They're definitely not of equal value, Fu is clearly a much valuable choice than Aventurine.
@@esmondgoh3112 my reply was really long I'm sorry, heh...😅
@@winstonjohngutual2318 nothing to be sorry about 😄
@@Cocxy69 Something you're forgetting is that shields lasts based on the allies turn and not like Fu (and Luocha and Ruan Mei) meaning he would have anti-synergy with fast teammates.
Also, seeing Something Unto Death and Svarog bosses are frequently appearing in MoC and having a guaranteed capture, I doubt they won't be in more MoC levels. So, again, if he gets captured, everyone wouldn't have any shields which will make him useless whereas even if Fu gets captured, her field still stays.
Not to mention, 50 Eff Res is only like 30% cc Res. It's nothing compared to a guaranteed cc-immune. Sure, it's better against DoTs and general debuffs.. but I ain't chilling with my teammates having their HP in the red with a shield that could potentially one-shot my team.
Also the fact, that being a Preservation IPC unit.. he's definitely gonna be powercrept by Diamond once he's playable. So, no reason in pulling a character that will be guaranteed to be replaced in the future.
@@esmondgoh3112 In my opinion, it's too soon to assume that Fu Xuan will always gonna be the better perservation unit. This is like how people comparing HuoHuo and Luocha because each unit offers something differently to the team.
Also, yeah, you can slot Fu Xuan in any team you like you can put Ruan Mei in any team. But let's not forget, Aventurine will have his own time to shine despite his weaknesses.
Also, for your argument for "if he's captured when fighting these enemies", bro, I watched people survive playing even with March 7th. It's all about strategy in my case. That's why you don't just click whatever you want when facing tough opponents.
Please don't use the whole "He's gonna be powercrept by another IPC unit." Where do you get the information that Diamond will be replacing him? Like bro, please stop. It's like saying in Genshin, don't pull for Hu Tao back when she's first released becaude the Pyro Archon will be the one powercrept her. We don't have any confirmation on the kits of future units unless you have like future sights. If you're right, I say great for you anyway. But this is a game where players will come and leave or even stay for a long time. There's no guarantee you'll be here long enough to get that unit you think will be the most OP of all.
If he was fire or thunder, then I would pull for him, but as is, he doesn’t bring enough variation to a low spender account like mine
I got Fu Xuan and her LC and I have no regrets. Her LC specifically is such a QoL crutch with its pre-battle/wave big heal. I literally never have to heal between fights, even in SU after I get that lose 99% hp curio when destroyed thing. Once you get it, you cant go back lol
Is it 80% everyone HP at the start of a wave ?
@@donew1thita11 yeah. Though a boss losing their hp bar and entering phase 2/3 doesnt count. It has to be like the 2nd MoC wave or something and honestly, who the heck needs it then when you have her tanking already.
Later on at some point it may be nice though. The actual luxury is between battles.
Actually it can be nice in MoC kinda if you dont bother using her skill to save sp or something since you can count on the heal mid-way.
I understand the blade with both but like when it comes to blade as the dps those two are kinda anti since they take aggro from blade also aventurine drops effect hit rate so like him with silver helpsnalot
Blade at least has a few more synergies with Fu Xuan since she boosts his max HP and still allows him to lose HP when he gets hit. Aventurine's shields will outright prevent Blade from building up his FUA via enemy attacks, which also means less FUAs from Aventurine compared to other DPS units.
A healer will definitely be more optimal than either of them though
Problem with Blade with shields is that he wont get stacks for his counter if he doesnt take damage, which mean less counters and less damage from a DPS
@@sfzndoBlade wants Luocha
Well the way I see fu xuan being nerfed is if units with fixed damage is added like a unit that does 500 fixed damage
Im just need an answer for this question, Aventurine or Fuxuan for my Acheron? who's better?
For acheron definitely aventurine
Aventurine just because his ult can apply a debuff
@@bonewatijhimel9868 so can his follow ups if you get his sig
As far Fx counter, they can have an enemy that ignores aura / field buffs. Or have an enemy that is unaffected by damage mitigation 🤷♂️
Literally Sam
Sam indeed. The Sam boss melted my Fu Xuan's HP Pool during my initial MOC battles.
it's kinda weird he didn't mentioned Sam, but even Luocha struggling to heal the team because of the meteor and combine dot from him and bleed robot so it is safe to say that everyone struggling with him. Ngl the best counter against him is to break his shield fast and left him vulnerable longer(Ruan Mei).
If they make an enemy that directly takes away HP then that would work against both Fu Xuan and Aventurine, currently Sam does that already, so just imagine that but in the form of an attack. They have similar Weaknesses in my opinion.
if you have at least 2 5* sustains i don't think it's worth it to get aventurine right now, maybe in a rerun in the future, fuxuan and huohuo works with everything and I think it's not the same case with aventurine, he's not bad at all, he's strong af, but aventurine works best with FUA characters, i don't know how many teams will have aventurine as a BIS character.
how to counter Fu Xuan? rather simple percentile health true damage.
or omething like that.
In simple terms as ive told others , they arebt better than eachother and it falls mainly on who you like more. There will be content that favors adventurine , and other content that favors fu xuan. When it comes to survivability adven can somtimes do better due to his nature of being sp positive. But fu xuan is too nuetral to positive sp. It mainly comes down to who you wwnt more and what you need more of. In a utility stand point fu xuan is far better than him with the crit , hp, healing...and crd if you have e1. But if you want tons off sub damage while also having just as good sustain, go with avebturine.
It isnf much of who powercreeps whom...simce one gives more utilty , and the other gives more sub damage. But some point to say is he does favor fua teams which isnt bad at all, and some might try to use that to an argument but thats not much of a matter to descuss
I disagree with cc immunity over resistance. Recently, enemies can apply cc so fast coz of action advance that Fu Xuan's one time immunity really isn't helping too much and i'd still need to run huohuo alongside her just to ensure i wont be damned by CC. having resistance could allow a potentially more cc blocks. sometimes it's better to have high enough effect resistance than rely on a one time immunity
Damn how did bro know i always keep in background
Fu Xuan is waifu and tsundere. That’s enough for me.
Fu xuan can be "nerfed" by an enemy who ignores damage sharing OR have attacks that deal true damage (so it cannot be reduced). We already see a boss that makes fu xuan though to use - Sam. I am not sure if he used these mechanics but i had a hard time surviving with her as a solo sustain. They can also make enemies that just deal too much aoe dmg for fu xuan to survive hit every turn, but if the damage was spread among the team it wouldnt be such big issue and shields would just negate everything. Since she can only flip once every ult she will just run out if sustain or become too skillpoint negative to use. They can also make enemies that deal reduced dmg when target of their attack have a shield. I can see many ways to make her bad option.
The problem I have with the Fu Xuan, QQ, SW and Sparkle team is that even though Fu Xuan is good, she can’t sustain. Eventually the team dies out depending on the content.
But if I put lynx back in there instead of SW, I still deal massive damage more than SW being on the team because of sparkle, but now I also never die.
What about bailu, is bailu can be substituted for lynx?
@@soulfulhuman8724 I wouldn’t consider bailu since Sparkle’s passive maximizes additional damage boost per Quantum characters in the team.
@@kodekorp2064 ok but bro i dont have sparkle 🌟✨ 🙃.
Also what would u choose aventurine Or fu-xuan?
I am confused and can't take both
@@soulfulhuman8724 I would say if you want to be maximizing benefits, fu xuan is better. Adventurine is strong, but not better than fu xuan.
They could easily counter Fu Xuan's mechanics, just make an enemy that overwrites field effects with their own field or dispells those effects. TBH I don't think they'll do that, but I also don't think that they will make enemies that make shields useless because if they do then many of the defensive options become useless.
HSR is a very vertical investment focused game, you can use up to 7 copies of characters and 5 copies of LCs, getting characters up to speed takes a lot of resources, especially grinding relics. I don't think that they will just take large chunks of player investment and throw it in the trash.
Both are amazing, run one in both teams and profit. Fu-Xuan feels like she gives your team near invincibility unless you get really unlucky with fu xuan being cc'ed and some valuable crit stats. And aventurine is a great mix of shield refreshes, high personal damage, and effect res. Both are top tier, can't go wrong with either.
I agree with you, i would take FX over Aventurine currently. 24% CV, Max hp buffs, CC resist, LC giving dmg inflicted buffs, mitigation is better than shields for characters who want to take a hit like Clara or Blade who are more prevalent than characters who don't want to take a hit at all like Yanqing. her element allowing you to reduce SW rng in some teams to apply weakness
Lmao the characters you mentioned (blade/clara) are not the strong as other carries.
Yk yanqing is not tge only other carry in the whole game
Shields are definitely better than dmg mitigation and able to prevent one ahot unlike fu xoan who gets one shotted against nuke hits
@@4..x I was comparing it to carries who taking hits reduces their performance, and that is only yanqing, the rest of the DPS in the game do not have that issue. Whereas shields can actively hurt some DPS.
Fu Xuan does not get one shotted against nuke hits? if you are speaking about MoC none can one shot her including the newer enemies such as SAM in 12-2, the only thing that has nuke enemies is SU which have plenty of blessings to buff her
I just wanna say that they can introduce true damage that can’t be mitigated but can be blocked by shield so it isn’t exactly impossible to make fuxuan less viable
I am not too old player, kinda new only been like 1.5 month or so and just few days back i reached tb lvl 60.
I havent wished yet in limited banner yet and was/rn been saving jades and special passes.
I just wana know what should i do, like i know that i need a limited sustain , atleast 1 right. But dont know if 1 limited sustain and 1 free sustain will work in game or not. Or do i need 2 limited sustaines?
I do know for the fact that first i should get sustaines rather then dps, so can someone tell what should i do, and if i wana choose 2 limited sustaines , who should ( not specifically asking b/w fuxuan n adventuine )
Any other tip for f2p is appriciated , also lmao rn i cannot even clear floor 1 of fiction so i dont have lynx in my account.
Thx
I have played for 2 months on current account and you don't really need any limited sustain as you can clear moc 12 with 4 star only teams if you really need to. I don't have any limited sustains and am in moc 10 right now I just need to farm and lvl up some relics to get to moc 12. I have only pulled black swan and Sparkle as limited characters but also have yanqing, himeko and Gepard which is my main sustain other than lynx and fire trailblaze. On the other side of moc I use Lynx and Fire MC but I sometimes trade up fire mc for Natasha if I need more cleanse. For pure fiction first 2 stages I don't use a sustain at all much and go all in on dmg.
If you have Clara you can use her with March 7th to soak up most of the dmg of enemy attacks. If you have Welt you can use him to slow down the enemy giving them less Oppurtunites to attack you.
If you can't clear pure fiction you need to lvl up Herta and give her the breakfast lightcone. Followup atttacks are the gimmick this patch and she has the most consistent follow up attacks. If you happen to have Himeko she is also really good. Also use asta as well she gives good speed boost for entire team and can give you more turns to reach 30k points so you can get lynx.
Also nothing wrong with farming up some relics right now you need to lvl them up for any character to perform well. Relics will be about 2/3rds of your characters strength even a 5 star sustain won't hold up if you don't get some good relics on them. It takes time and luck to get good relics you can't force it. You want spd boots and spd substats on all your supports for the most part so you can can more turns.
If you pick a good dps that will reduce the need for 5 star sustain as well. Jingliu will work with lynx or natasha. Being able to break enemy quickly is a type of sustain as well.
Overall you can go down two roads you can focus on your dmg output so you don't need sustain or you can pull sustains but than can't do as much dmg so you actually need a sustain but still won't be clearing moc or pure fiction any faster.
is anyone gonna talk about the 12% crit rate buff from fu xuan i feel like that is kinda of busted if you have terrible relic luck
ik aventurine gives crit dmg boost but its single target and not 100% uptime but FX's cr buff is kinda permanent as long as u manage ur skill points and the fact that cr buff > cdmg buff
edit: the situation still depends on what kind of relics/characters u have rn so it differs for everyone (for me FX is a better choice since my characters are more cr reliant eg seele)
As for my relic's luck, i wouldn't consider that extra CR bc all my DPS have over 90+ CR, some with their buffs and other no.
The 100% uptime is arguable, his ult costs 110 energy and he is a preservation unit, so he has high aggro = more energy recharge. I would say 90% of the times that buff will be active. Still, that substat would depend a lot on relic's luck and that can be different for every account, some suffer with it, some don't.
Most FUA units right now focuses on ST, so it isn't that bad because he is meant to be played with those characters. I would need gameplay and testing to see if that debuff can still apply for AoE units, like attacking 5 but 1 has it so it counts.
Overall CR > CD buff, but that could change with different builds. Some may be CD > CR buff, for example, me who can't reach more than 170 cdmg and others the other way around. But yeah, in general it is CR > CD buff.
@@PanConJamon-wr6pl yeah if u have good relics than the crit buff isnt that necessary but i rarely get relics with good crit substat so 12% can be a lifesaver (and also i dont play FUA so thats another reason)
in some cases it can allow u to switch from cr armor to cd armor thanks to that buff
the value of CR vs CD ultimately comes down to the character and the specific relics you have on YOUR account. if person A has pieces that roll into CR and not CD, they'd be saying the opposite and would probably find more value from Aventurine.
@@sfzndo true at least im my case i desperately need CR for my seele lol
@@captaindoggo119lol5 godspeed 🫡
Aventurine is more like preservation mix with sub dps (as for his fua kit) capability while fuxuan is more like preservation mix with harmony (as her skill give crit rate)
Both good, just know what you need and how you gonna play YOUR acc 🗿
I just pulled on Acheron’s banner and got her and then pulled again and lost now I’m guaranteed and idk who to pick
Who’s better for acheron team? With pela and sw
Adven
Lot of people talking trash about FX really just indicates how many people have trash FX builds.
You can't power creep the beautiful deviner fr
@@vroomvroom9911 Literally, unless we get another character who provides the same kind of damage mitigation she does, she can't be completely powercrept. Most other sustain units either rely on healing or shielding to protect the team, meanwhile Fu Xuan's sustain is unique to her so she won't lose value if you're running a double sustain team or smth.
@@vroomvroom9911People are just throwing around the word "power creep" too much. Even if Aventurine is better than Fu Xuan, she will still be the second best sustainer in the game.
It's not like she would go straight to F tier just because Aventurine exists.
@@sanguin3 yea ik
Cause what’s the right build then. I have 7k hp 2,4k def . 134 speed on her . Herta lc
NGL, just started the video, but for a second I thought you had who they were good with on either side, but then I realized you just had the characters by path and I got a little sad.
I don't even have Fuxuan.. I'll come to the video once I pulled her. Lol