Buzz actually has the proper sane attitude about this whole topic when you actually hear him speak about it in interviews. There are plenty of clips of him doing so. He generally just states it short and sweet and matter-of-factly. He has said that he wouldn't want to trade places with Nirvana for any reason. "I would rather see Kurt alive and not famous than dead and famous" All he ever says is that his happiest memories of Kurt were before the fame and drugs and all that came after was not very pleasant to remember.
Thank you for this comment! I had the honor and luck getting to know Buzz (and Dale) in person (Sorry for my English!) and I'm not able to name one human, that is more open minded than Buzz. I could imagine, that he pulled back himself from Kurt for his own protection at some point, but as far as I know him, he always accepts other people as they are (exceptions might confirm the rules, like we say in Germany) and would never hate Kurt, I'm sure about, and also I don't believe that he is or was jealous because of Kurt's fame - what doesn't mean, that he wouldn't like to get some more fame for themselves. But the Melvins make music for the music, for the art, for themselves, of course, and yes, also for a living. Fame makes it surely easier to live from the music, but fame isn't the impetus for them making music. And, last, but not least: Buzz seems to me having a straight, an honest character. And again: Sorry for my alien-English.
@@antondillet466 Yes, I think you described him perfectly. This video and the people making comments here as if they are informed is just typical internet and media mob mentality. It's ridiculous. "There is what people want to believe, and then there is the truth" ~ Buzz Osborne
The video makes it seem like Kurt and Buzz just stopped associating with each other around '92 when Nirvana had Melvins playing wifh them during 9 of the In Utero tour shows including their last show on March 1st in Germany.
Kids that weren't even alive during that time, making videos to stir made-up drama for clicks. This generation is wasted. They'll never accomplish any greatness like the music of the 90s because theyre too busy chasing acceptance through clicks, attention, and money.
This is not necessarily true. Kurt did everything he could to get them exposure, and in 1992 or 1993, he got them signed to a major label and produced one of their records, and when they started getting media attention, they just bashed the fame and bashed Kurt. There’s tons of footage of this
@@chrisskully1228 The covers looked really similar I get why screwed that up. And Aneurysm was also released on the Teen Spirit single before Incesticide. Appreciate you calling that out
Buzz cared deeply about Kurt. People who don't understand his sense of humor assume he's just a bitter guy angry at the success of his friend. The truth is Buzz loved trolling people even before the internet was a thing. He was just annoyed by the way the music industry and media circus treated Kurt as some rock messiah when he was just a fellow kid from Aberdeen who's life ended tragically.
I think it's more of the fact that Nirvana reached mainstream success. Usually when an underground band reaches that type of success, they tend to get weirdness from the underground community. I don't think the Melvins had any real issues with Kurt or the band but of course had their opinions on the route Nirvana decided to take.
The Melvins are one of the greatest bands in history. Buzz is a guitar innovator legend and Dale Crover is a master percussionist, one of the finest drummer of our time. All their bassists have been great as well
In some ways, there needed to be Melvins before there could be Nirvana, but Kurt was just a way better songwriter. Melvins played their part by inspiring people who were much more talented to follow the path they beat down and to widen it further. They were a success in that they were pioneers. Pioneers don't always make a lot of money.
I want to know where the influence of the sad melodies Kurt does in songs like 'Sappy' and 'Dumb' come from, is that Kurt alone or is there something like it in his influences? Because to me sofar that haunting type of melody seems quintessentially and uniquely Kurt.
Kurt got his first guitar from his Uncle, he used the gun money for his first decent Peavey amp from the pawn shop. Nirvana is my favorite band ever, and I love the Melvins. Down with the Melvins was the loudest show I have ever seen (with a hangover) amazing. I think deep down he missed his friend, an element of jealousy, obviously. Buzz was just bitter...and hurt. Because he also defends Kurt.
the melvins don't give a fk about fame. look at their discography. it's prolific and endless. They evolve, they make new genres; they have no boundaries as a band. 2 bassists? no problem. 2 drummers? no problem. mike patton? no problem. 51 states in 51 days? no problem. they get better with age, which is the craziest thing concept to fathom. without lysol there would be no sleep's dopesmoker. period. the melvins, sleep and neurosis all gig'ed together at the same place during that time. miles ahead of everyone and still are today. don't get me wrong, I grew up listening and idolizing both bands. but the melvins are probably more influential to bands, than nirvana.
Melvins are the god farthers. Many Bands copied the Melvins. And without the Melvins, Grunge would have not been how we know it. Melvins influenced so many bands. You can hear Melvins in many bands, including TOOL
I absolutely think Buzz has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Kurt. I've seen enough interviews with him slagging Kurt to feel pretty confident about it.
@@mikewilson3581 As someone who is a part of Gen Z and owns Nirvana merch and listens to all there music and owns their albums I find your comment true and insulting at the same time.
Buzz rant on Dave Grohl is classic....But Melvins were instrumental in the grunge music. Look at Nirvana bleach album was diff influenced by the Melvins..
The Melvins are Awesome but I gotta say Buzz seems to be a prick to so maybe he should stop talking bad about the dead and start realizing we are all just people
@@Astrophobia88The funniest part about it is that no one in the world outside of their small town would even know who the Melvins are if not for Kurt Cobain. Dude brought them more success and exposure than they could have ever brought themselves.
anyone would be a little jealous if one of their close buddies all of a sudden was super famous and rich. I think this article makes it sound far more negative then it really was. Have you ever had a friend commit suicide? You never get over it. I went to high school with Dale and hung out at band practice at his house for years after he joined the Melvins.
Yeah left behind! Didn't they open up for Nirvana in Europe the last tour they ever did? I guess they should have shared a merchandise deal with them for the rest of time maybe then that would be good enough smh
Buzz was so worried about staying true to the underground then why did he tour with nirvana? Why would he let Kurt get them a major label deal and try to produce their album? lol Buzz needs to be honest with himself and admit he wanted fame just as much as the next starving grunge band from Washington. Kurt was just brave enough to except the backlash and go after it, but he quickly found out it wasn't all he thought it would be. The reason Kurt and Buzz's friendship dissolved was the same reason alot of Kurt's friends turned on him, nobody liked his wife and Buzz told this to Kurt but he had just married her and was having a baby with her so he didn't wanna hear the truth. By late '93 he realized these friends were actually right but now he was in too deep and it ended up costing him his life.
Obviously everyone liked Nirvana back then for a reason. I don't know what the Melvin's expected from Kurt other than the lead singer was jealous cause he didn't turn out to be as famous or famous at all for that matter.
Discover Kurt's ghost songwriter and the Melivins influence goes right out window. Nirvana is a designed band by the ghost guitarist songwriter of a paparazzi recording conspiracy. Smells Like Teen Spirit is about that relationship between Kurt's ghost songwriter and the paparazzi recording crew spying and stealing the songs. Kurt didn't write Smells Like Teen Spirit, All Apologies, Heart Shape Box. Now that you know about the paparazzi recording crew, listen to Come As You Are. Tom Petty was involved, so listen to, Don't Come Around Here No More. Now listen to Foo Fighters' song Monkey Wrench. The proof is overwhelming. Ask Taylor Swift she is involved, and Kurt's ghost songwriter created Shake It Off. The entire Lady Gaga show was designed by Kurt's songwriter. The music conspiracy controls the entertainment industry.
Buzz is just a jealous prick. What did he want Kurt to do? Maybe if the Melvins made better music, like Houdini which was a great album, they would have been more succesful. I mean after Houdini they wrote mediocre trash.
The Melvins would have died in obscurity without Kurt Cobain talking about them. He kept them relatively relevant. In a way, Nirvana fans look to The Melvins as an alternate reality where Nirvana still exists to this day making songs that evolved from the early Nirvana sound but diverged from the path that led to Nevermind.
Uh no. Melvins were making a good living before Nirvana hit it big. All the Seattle area bands were influenced by the Melvins. Boris named their band after a Melvins song. Melvins have been wildly successful on their own terms and it has nothing to do with Nirvana and everything to do with being one of the hardest working bands, period
Melvins were never catchy songwriters with a sense of pop melody, so they would never be a mainstream succes. Very influential to sludge metal and drone bands, not so much to rock music.
The Melvin’s just don’t have the same appeal as Nirvana- Buzz, seems like a pretentious and bitter AH, regularly bad talking Cobain’s success- And just comes off jealous and ungrateful as Nirvana tried to promote their childhood hero and friend- music is subjective but People who say the Melvin’s were better are generally trying to be better by liking some obscure crap to be different to the crowd
...well king buzzo is a dud, so you figure out your own version of your definition of the word. ...(And just like you can read from so many others, "..."BEAT 'EM TO IT"\...,.)
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Buzz actually has the proper sane attitude about this whole topic when you actually hear him speak about it in interviews. There are plenty of clips of him doing so. He generally just states it short and sweet and matter-of-factly. He has said that he wouldn't want to trade places with Nirvana for any reason. "I would rather see Kurt alive and not famous than dead and famous" All he ever says is that his happiest memories of Kurt were before the fame and drugs and all that came after was not very pleasant to remember.
Thank you for this comment!
I had the honor and luck getting to know Buzz (and Dale) in person (Sorry for my English!) and I'm not able to name one human, that is more open minded than Buzz. I could imagine, that he pulled back himself from Kurt for his own protection at some point, but as far as I know him, he always accepts other people as they are (exceptions might confirm the rules, like we say in Germany) and would never hate Kurt, I'm sure about, and also I don't believe that he is or was jealous because of Kurt's fame - what doesn't mean, that he wouldn't like to get some more fame for themselves. But the Melvins make music for the music, for the art, for themselves, of course, and yes, also for a living. Fame makes it surely easier to live from the music, but fame isn't the impetus for them making music. And, last, but not least: Buzz seems to me having a straight, an honest character. And again: Sorry for my alien-English.
@@antondillet466 Yes, I think you described him perfectly. This video and the people making comments here as if they are informed is just typical internet and media mob mentality. It's ridiculous. "There is what people want to believe, and then there is the truth" ~ Buzz Osborne
@@antondillet466agreed!
The Melvins were the opening band on Nirvanas last show. What are you talking about “left behind”. This is dumb
The video makes it seem like Kurt and Buzz just stopped associating with each other around '92 when Nirvana had Melvins playing wifh them during 9 of the In Utero tour shows including their last show on March 1st in Germany.
Kids that weren't even alive during that time, making videos to stir made-up drama for clicks. This generation is wasted. They'll never accomplish any greatness like the music of the 90s because theyre too busy chasing acceptance through clicks, attention, and money.
This is not necessarily true. Kurt did everything he could to get them exposure, and in 1992 or 1993, he got them signed to a major label and produced one of their records, and when they started getting media attention, they just bashed the fame and bashed Kurt. There’s tons of footage of this
Who doesn't love buzz and Kurt both
Stain wasn't on the Bleach album, it was on Incesticide. Sack the researcher!🤣😂🤣
Stain was recorded around the same time as Bleach and released on the "Blew" EP which was released only in England December 1989. They got confused.
@@krisfrederick5001 All good my friend, great content.👍
@@chrisskully1228 The covers looked really similar I get why screwed that up. And Aneurysm was also released on the Teen Spirit single before Incesticide. Appreciate you calling that out
@krisfrederick5001 the live version was on the single. Not the studio version.
Incestiside was not a LP. It actually came out after Nevermind.
Can you feel my love, Buzz? - Kurt Cobain
Just another falling out in rock history. Nirvana took the lead and their idols stood idle. The Melvins do deserve some credit.
Of course, but Buzz is super salty about all of it.
Naw. Buzz still has his head about it.
They didn't fall out. The Melvins still toured with Nirvana even up to the end of of Nirvana in 94.
A History of Bad Men is song and a half.
Buzz isn't salty about that. He's incredibly angry at the loss of kurt.
Buzz cared deeply about Kurt. People who don't understand his sense of humor assume he's just a bitter guy angry at the success of his friend. The truth is Buzz loved trolling people even before the internet was a thing. He was just annoyed by the way the music industry and media circus treated Kurt as some rock messiah when he was just a fellow kid from Aberdeen who's life ended tragically.
I think it's more of the fact that Nirvana reached mainstream success. Usually when an underground band reaches that type of success, they tend to get weirdness from the underground community. I don't think the Melvins had any real issues with Kurt or the band but of course had their opinions on the route Nirvana decided to take.
The Melvins are one of the greatest bands in history. Buzz is a guitar innovator legend and Dale Crover is a master percussionist, one of the finest drummer of our time. All their bassists have been great as well
The record labels wanted pretty boys bands and Melvins wasn't that at all.😅
In some ways, there needed to be Melvins before there could be Nirvana, but Kurt was just a way better songwriter. Melvins played their part by inspiring people who were much more talented to follow the path they beat down and to widen it further. They were a success in that they were pioneers. Pioneers don't always make a lot of money.
The labels wanted Radio friendly hits, the Melvin’s did not have that either.
A band with 2 drummers needs to pay for 2 drummers instead of 1.
they wanted rap
@@nunyafunyunsNot even close. Buzz and The melvins far superior to Nirvana and Kurt Cobain in every way.
I want to know where the influence of the sad melodies Kurt does in songs like 'Sappy' and 'Dumb' come from, is that Kurt alone or is there something like it in his influences? Because to me sofar that haunting type of melody seems quintessentially and uniquely Kurt.
Beatles
Sappy. I'm a moron. What's a B? Why none wrote B songs?
if Kurt was alive today im sure that him buzz would have made up and become friends again
They say it was Cortney who hated Buzz and was the reason their friendship broke apart.
@@map3384 She pushed everyone away from him. That's the first thing sociopaths do to get control over someone.
@krisfrederick5001 oh boy here we go. Subjugation and blame. Women are free to make their own decisions and you owe them nothing. On and on.
They were friends until the end, nirvana went on tour with the melvins in 94.
Kurt got his first guitar from his Uncle, he used the gun money for his first decent Peavey amp from the pawn shop. Nirvana is my favorite band ever, and I love the Melvins. Down with the Melvins was the loudest show I have ever seen (with a hangover) amazing. I think deep down he missed his friend, an element of jealousy, obviously. Buzz was just bitter...and hurt. Because he also defends Kurt.
the melvins don't give a fk about fame. look at their discography. it's prolific and endless. They evolve, they make new genres; they have no boundaries as a band.
2 bassists? no problem. 2 drummers? no problem. mike patton? no problem. 51 states in 51 days? no problem. they get better with age, which is the craziest thing concept to fathom. without lysol there would be no sleep's dopesmoker. period. the melvins, sleep and neurosis all gig'ed together at the same place during that time. miles ahead of everyone and still are today.
don't get me wrong, I grew up listening and idolizing both bands. but the melvins are probably more influential to bands, than nirvana.
Melvins are the god farthers. Many Bands copied the Melvins. And without the Melvins, Grunge would have not been how we know it. Melvins influenced so many bands. You can hear Melvins in many bands, including TOOL
Yes!
I don't know, and I don't want to know. Nirvana left them as they were, untouching the masterpiece. That's true friendship.
Flipper walked so the Melvins could run ;)
I absolutely think Buzz has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Kurt. I've seen enough interviews with him slagging Kurt to feel pretty confident about it.
Definitely I know a hater when I see them buzz had an inner hatred for kurt. I have a couple "friends " like that lol
I mean, If Kurt was too screwed to produce he was too screwed. It sounds completely plausible.
@@rmv9194 That's far from the only negative thing he's ever said about Kurt.
@sandpiper9288 Not specifically, just negativity about Nirvana and their success and its always kinda low level but it comes across.
I think the Melvins wanted to bang in expand their fanbase and bang out. Let not forget who died.
Buzz is the dave mustaine of grunge
Kurt used Mastaine
nah dave mustaine is notoriously a level 10 drama queen, buzz cant seem to get over it sure, but he's not nearly as bad about it as mustaine lol
Buzz is more honest than bitter but he’s definitely bitter.
Losers said nirvana sold out then signed themselves buzz is mad cause kurt left him in the dust bin of history
I’m not sure a single sentence in this video is accurate. I want to list all of the inaccuracies but I don’t even know where to start.
Exactly. "There is what people want to believe, and then there is the truth" ~Buzz Osborne
melvins have aged perfectly. i don’t think they would want all the attention anyway
I’d pick In utero, I like the unpolished sound
You have to hear Ever Since My Accident, not the one from ozma... the one on the first kill rock stars compilation. Its their wildest song. Ever.
The kids today aren't going to walk around in Melvins shirts but I do see a ton of Nirvana ones these days.
A lot of poseurs wear them. Just like kids wearing Ramones shirts but can't name a single Ramones song.
@@mikewilson3581Not true
@@spider-manunknown9193 Gen Z is so contemporary.
@@mikewilson3581 As someone who is a part of Gen Z and owns Nirvana merch and listens to all there music and owns their albums I find your comment true and insulting at the same time.
@@spider-manunknown9193 You're a drop in the ocean then.
I´m actually glad that Buzz didn´t become a superstar and burned out as quickly as Kurt. Buzz keeps delivering for decades, a consistent bright light.
Buzz rant on Dave Grohl is classic....But Melvins were instrumental in the grunge music. Look at Nirvana bleach album was diff influenced by the Melvins..
3:11 oh! I never noticed the crucifix !!!! ♱
Kurt used as a producer when he didn't even know what a producer was shows it was done just as a marketing ploy by the atlantic records.
Stain is not on Bleach
The Melvins are Awesome but I gotta say Buzz seems to be a prick to so maybe he should stop talking bad about the dead and start realizing we are all just people
All Buzz does is slag off Cobain and Grohl. Pure jealousy
@@Astrophobia88The funniest part about it is that no one in the world outside of their small town would even know who the Melvins are if not for Kurt Cobain. Dude brought them more success and exposure than they could have ever brought themselves.
How does this guy makes his thumbnails?
Mudhoney... Kurt took the place of superstar big fudge muff with his super hyper karisma
Bleach was so raw like sushi 🍣 loved it
anyone would be a little jealous if one of their close buddies all of a sudden was super famous and rich. I think this article makes it sound far more negative then it really was. Have you ever had a friend commit suicide? You never get over it. I went to high school with Dale and hung out at band practice at his house for years after he joined the Melvins.
Call him Roger, that’s his real name.😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah left behind! Didn't they open up for Nirvana in Europe the last tour they ever did? I guess they should have shared a merchandise deal with them for the rest of time maybe then that would be good enough smh
Melvins are not as radio friendly as Nirvana which is more pop
Are they even known for anything else besides nirvana?
I like bleach the best bc of the lore
Id watch it but I hate the hateful clickbate thumbnail so pass
This video is 100 percent untrue.
Buzz was so worried about staying true to the underground then why did he tour with nirvana? Why would he let Kurt get them a major label deal and try to produce their album? lol
Buzz needs to be honest with himself and admit he wanted fame just as much as the next starving grunge band from Washington. Kurt was just brave enough to except the backlash and go after it, but he quickly found out it wasn't all he thought it would be.
The reason Kurt and Buzz's friendship dissolved was the same reason alot of Kurt's friends turned on him, nobody liked his wife and Buzz told this to Kurt but he had just married her and was having a baby with her so he didn't wanna hear the truth.
By late '93 he realized these friends were actually right but now he was in too deep and it ended up costing him his life.
Obviously everyone liked Nirvana back then for a reason. I don't know what the Melvin's expected from Kurt other than the lead singer was jealous cause he didn't turn out to be as famous or famous at all for that matter.
Buzz is insufferable.
He may be a prick but at least he’s not a complete pos like Homme or Moody
how is he insufferable?
How's Cobain doing?
@antiratrace nah he killed himself and you're delusional
@antiratrace did you really have to mention Trump in a conversation about Kurt Cobain and buzz Osborne.
I'm mean the melvins make music I guess that's all I can say
Discover Kurt's ghost songwriter and the Melivins influence goes right out window. Nirvana is a designed band by the ghost guitarist songwriter of a paparazzi recording conspiracy. Smells Like Teen Spirit is about that relationship between Kurt's ghost songwriter and the paparazzi recording crew spying and stealing the songs. Kurt didn't write Smells Like Teen Spirit, All Apologies, Heart Shape Box. Now that you know about the paparazzi recording crew, listen to Come As You Are. Tom Petty was involved, so listen to, Don't Come Around Here No More. Now listen to Foo Fighters' song Monkey Wrench.
The proof is overwhelming. Ask Taylor Swift she is involved, and Kurt's ghost songwriter created Shake It Off. The entire Lady Gaga show was designed by Kurt's songwriter. The music conspiracy controls the entertainment industry.
Nobody would have even heard of the Melvin’s if not for Kurt. Some have IT some don’t, the Melvin’s don’t.
Buzz is just a jealous prick. What did he want Kurt to do? Maybe if the Melvins made better music, like Houdini which was a great album, they would have been more succesful. I mean after Houdini they wrote mediocre trash.
The Melvins would have died in obscurity without Kurt Cobain talking about them. He kept them relatively relevant. In a way, Nirvana fans look to The Melvins as an alternate reality where Nirvana still exists to this day making songs that evolved from the early Nirvana sound but diverged from the path that led to Nevermind.
Uh no. Melvins were making a good living before Nirvana hit it big. All the Seattle area bands were influenced by the Melvins. Boris named their band after a Melvins song. Melvins have been wildly successful on their own terms and it has nothing to do with Nirvana and everything to do with being one of the hardest working bands, period
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Melvins were never catchy songwriters with a sense of pop melody, so they would never be a mainstream succes. Very influential to sludge metal and drone bands, not so much to rock music.
Melvins didn't shape their sound they might have been a small influece but overall just more revisionist history.
Bleach is their best album…live versions are killer
never mind
Buzz strikes me as a hater
5:54 rem? You mean R.E.M.?
Well technically it's said as a word in medical fields.
@@JokersNtheOddball that's correct and if you were using it in the medical field, that would make sense.
melvins legacy far outweighs nirvanas
Lol no. Other than 15 people in the Seattle underground music scene, no one really know them.
Unplugged,
Kurt was probably a real douche bag, drugs just amplified his bad sides.
😈🔱👿..melvins would be great if buzz never ever touched a 🎤 ...same with nirvana.. Weird al parody on teen spirit had it 100% right...
The Melvin’s just don’t have the same appeal as Nirvana- Buzz, seems like a pretentious and bitter AH, regularly bad talking Cobain’s success- And just comes off jealous and ungrateful as Nirvana tried to promote their childhood hero and friend- music is subjective but People who say the Melvin’s were better are generally trying to be better by liking some obscure crap to be different to the crowd
...well king buzzo is a dud, so you figure out your own version of your definition of the word.
...(And just like you can read from so many others, "..."BEAT 'EM TO IT"\...,.)
melvins weren't original enough, its that simple. Nirvana had the "it" factor and Melvin didn't.
@@RestrainingHollywood speak for yourself and quit liking your own comment. Lame
@@T.Maximuslol.
They were no where ad good as nirvana. I hate even the comparison
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i prefer bleach
this is such a cringe poorly researched video
I think Buzz killed Kirk hobain
melvens are a much more talented band😊
They rewrite the same song. Name it something goofy. Thats about it.
WTF?
Love Buzz by NIRVANA is literally about Buzz Osbourne, I'm pretty sure Kurt had a soft spot for the Melvin's and admired them a lot
Love buzz is a cover song
Nirvana didn't even write Love Buzz
Shocking Blue wrote love buzz.
me when I purposely spread misinformations on the internet
Yes I believe buzz wrote the sitar interlude. Hm. Indeed.
They got left behind because they weren't that good.
I could never get into the Melvins. I tried. They just sound like a Metallica rip off to me.
Is Metallica literally the only band you ever heard before hearing The Melvins?? They sound absolutely nothing like them.
@@wormskull2454 they definitely sound metal. Which I’m just not that keen on. And yes, much of Houdini reminded me of Metallica.
Melvin’s are 100x better than Metallica
Wow, you have to listen to more heavy music if that's your conclusion. Not hating... is just... they are pretty different.
He wasn't a Melvins roodie, Buzz has already denied that, saying he was too weak to carry any instrument lol
How did he hold his own gutair?
When the roadie has the talent that the band he’s working for doesn’t