Yes but only because I wish to exploit my opponents into thinking I’m a wild player. However that time I’m not bluffing they’re over confident and I take a lot of their chips. Also don’t show every bluff. Really depends on my opponent.
If Peter had called and got beaten all the Keyboard warriors would be screaming " no way he should have called that". And then proceed to give their analysis as to why.
When someone uses two hands to put in a huge bet, they are almost always bluffing. They are trying to show strength, meaning they want you to fold. Watch more Polk hands, I guarantee you if he hits nut flush on the river he uses one hand to put in his bet (while looking disinterested).
@@skylertaylor7283 key word blocks, doesn't mean can't have flush not to sure how 8 of diamonds is really a key card in a lot of Doug's value hands, blocking 8s isn't all that relevant either
@@skylertaylor7283 the 8d removal isn't as useful as it seems. If Doug had something like 98d, he doesn't have much equity and he's more likely to fold the flop or turn. He had a combo draw which gave him more equity.
Back in the day we called those outs “phantom outs” meaning the most likely outs you might have if you’re drawing, but not ACTUALLY the draw you have. As the hand was playing out I thought to myself “ he also has the flush outs”. No limit is very difficult. It almost seems as though, with that draw heavy board, A8 Is the probable best hand on the turn, Peter should have tried harder to win the pot at that point by making the draws pay more. The stacks are massively deep
Peter doesn't have many flushes when he checks the river, he almost always has 88, Q8, or A8 for made hands. If Peter's folding Ax8d then he's folding too wide vs Doug tbh.
Agree. I think you check for that reason. To get Doug to blast. I think you have to call here a bit more than half. Like you said, when he checks mostly no flushes, other than big flushes as traps. But, your still leading them mostly. Doug is crafty.
What hand besides exactly JT can Doug possibly have that doesn't beat A8? That's why he played it, his straight would be sooo hidden he'd get paid and the most logical hand is a flush draw
With the 8 of diamonds I think you have to call River as block 8x of diamond flushes. Also how often does Peter check flushes on the River? Many people are unbalanced so have little to no flushes when they check there, in that case this hand seems like even more of a must call spot.
@@ryandaley3351 have to call and easy call are not the same. Also blocking the pair and flush draw is pretty relavant as that is a natural continuing hand that would bomb the river for value he no longer can have.
@@ryandaley3351 What are you talking about. 8d is super relevant as it blocks many pair+flush draw hands that Doug could've called a raise and called a turn with. Doug would've 3-bet in position with most of the big suited hands like KdJd or KdTd so need to reduce probability for those hands. Given Doug's capability I agree with other commenters that the 8d in his hand is the deciding factor for a call.
True but in this situation it honestly felt like from peters perspective that Doug was trying to use his reputation as s bluffer to get paid at least if I were in Peters situation thats how I would read it
I saw Doug Polk at a grocery store in Los Angeles one time. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
My thinking on is that Doug is aware my range likely consists of 88, A8, diamond combos including 89, 108, k8, and perhaps j8, and j10. I never give Doug credit for QQ, AA, and 88 is blocked. And some sticky Ax combos like AJ or A10. which I eliminate on the river with the over bet. There are the str8 combos in Dougs range, mostly the 910 hearts and 910 of diamonds. With the overbet I personally look at why this size and what is its purpose against my range, unless Doug knows something about me enough to level with me here to fool me. Otherwise, this bet seems to be a nut flush designed to get paid off maximum value by hoping I have a smaller flush with one of the x8 diamond combos in my range. Against the rest of my range, this bet feels like it is designed to get me to fold out the rest of my non flush range. This bet puts serious pressure toward folding against my sets and two pair, and if Doug was betting non flush straights, there are too many combos in my range that I would call with for him to bet this size imo that have him beat and at same time fold out my hands that he has beat. So, I would eliminate all 910 combos, even if Doug has J10d, it eliminates so many combos of diamonds that I may have that he can beat, and the 7d really hurt that group he can be. Therefore I would lean toward that dougs range much more polarized than it seems, and this is either a nut flush, or missed draw that is not diamonds. KJd, K10d, k9d. That leaves imo all j10 combos, and 79h potentially that floated. I call.
I paused the video and thinking that he would bluff 185K. I mean, it's a good spot to bluff, since it's clear what Peter has here. Having said that I have to say that it's very tough to execute. However I do think that if you can keep the calm and with the right sizing, a bluff would have succes here almost all of the time in this exact spot. My sizing here would be a minimum of twice the pot, or even I would jam here all in. But then you also need big guts. I would only do this if I feel comfortable bluffing on the table and only if I am sure to have the nerves of steel that day. I remember the first time I made a bluff like this live. Not in exactly the same situation since it was in a tournament (small tourney about 40 people), but we were about the same deep in chip stacks. To be fair it was I think my second or third tournament ever, so adrenaline levels were high. And yes the bluff did have a huge succes, but I rememember so good I felt like dying during the 1 a 2 minutes process after I made the bluff. Almost to the level of shitting my pants. I needed a full 30 minutes or so to regain my composure afterwards 😆. I was so hyped of the succes that I actually showed my opponent the bluff after the hand. It was an old reg. and he just went on complete tilt, also hunting me and participating in about every hand I played afterwards. I soon kicked him out of that tournament, which I ended third position. I remember playing perfectly until the final table where my game level dropped significantly. I should have won that tournament, good memories to that bluff. I think it was my first big bluff in a live setting.
lol I watched until the end now. You see, this even works with 1,5 sizing. And trust me, Doug must have been extremely nervous in this spot. The showing of his bluff is just some release of pressure from his side, I think. I mean I think it would be way more beneficial for your profile that you don't show these kind of bluffs. You just don't want people to know that you are capable of making such a play.
All the keyboard warriors lol. Peter's river checking range is protected because he has plenty of not nut flushes in his checking range. That river bet by Doug is huge and believable. I don't blame the fold, and I think it's a profitable fold in the long run.
I guessed the larger size. Imo Peter checked to call and he would have done with a pot bet or smaller. Nice from Doug. I've been here before when I check and in my head am 100% calling then go OH 💩🤣🤣🤣
At your local casino I agree but here you know he’s going to look up the stream later anyway so if you know he’s going to find out what you had and you think showing will tilt him/reinforce your image and help you get paid off then I think go for it. I also imagine that Doug knows what he’s doing!
Doug is more of a nit than the average player so he needs players to have a seed of doubt that he's capable of bluffing to actually get paid off when he has a legitimate hand.
I am pretty sertain doug never overbets a set there J. He is totally polarized with the 1.5x Dougs range has more than enough better hands to bet and some bluffs for balancing. I dont think you understand how overbets in this spots work or you simply did not put much thought in to this. Dont mean to be mean but thats what i see and i think you can do better.
@@ryandaley3351are you sure this is right? You only need to win %33 of the time again a 100percent pot size bet. How does a 150percent pot suddenly make you need to win twice as much (your stated 65%)? Cuz I don’t think it does
What is peter beating at this point though? What is doug getting to the river with that doesnt beat A8 there? Only KJ off suit. Maybe k10. Loses to 9-10, diamonds, sets, shit even AQ.
@@KevinsKontentKorner 9d blocks both the diamond draw and the straight draw making it way more likely Dougs bluffing. Also the 9d is a bigger part of Dougs flush hands than 8d would be. With 8d doug can't have suited connectors since peter has the 9 and the 7 is on the river. Further reducing flush combos
When you flop two pair just don't fold. Yeah sometimes you're going to lose, but if you know that the player you're going against has a lot of bluffs I would honestly rather lose the 185,000 than get bluffed. Idk I wonder what would have happened if Peter would have bet the river. Do you think Doug Polk would have bluff raised him, I doubt it. Online this is a play I would say FUCK and then still call and be pleasantly surprised.
Player dependent on whether you should fold or not. Against Doug who is capable of running a big bluff, you might have to call here at least some of the time. I think if you give Doug many of the combos of diamonds (and there are fewer of those because both the A and Q are on the board) and T9 as his value hands and JT offsuit along with some broadway hearts as his bluffs, you probably are supposed to call.
Could someone explain to me what I'm getting wrong here regarding pot odds with the turn call, as explained by Jonathan at 3:10. Doug has to call 12 to win 45, so he's getting roughly 4:1 odds. Jonathan says he has to be right 25% of the time but 4:1 odds expressed as a percentage is 20%????
I think you should calculate pot odds without your money added to the pot when you call. If the pot is 0 and someone puts in 100, you need 50% or better to call. (1:1 odds) But if you calculate "oh I call 100 to win 200 (after the call) it just makes no sense since you would have 2:1 odds or 33%. In reality you need over 50% to be +EV. So if the pot is 33,5k and you need to call 12k it is roughly 25%. So in the video this was confusing because he said "call 12 to win 45"... no he would need to call 12 to win 33,5k.
from STP ratio, I call that shit so fast I break my wrist. If they bet $275k I fold. I don't have this kind of money, but in a 1/2 game STP wise,. I call his bet.
Do YOU like to show your bluffs or not? 🤯
Only with crap hands on scary boards😅
Yes but only because I wish to exploit my opponents into thinking I’m a wild player. However that time I’m not bluffing they’re over confident and I take a lot of their chips. Also don’t show every bluff. Really depends on my opponent.
depends how I am doing. If I am already crushing I don’t want to disrespect my opponents
Depends. If I’m already crushing it feels disrespectful
No. I play calling stations at $1-3 and the only way to get bluffs through is with a nitty image
If Peter had called and got beaten all the Keyboard warriors would be screaming " no way he should have called that". And then proceed to give their analysis as to why.
so fckn true lol
When someone uses two hands to put in a huge bet, they are almost always bluffing. They are trying to show strength, meaning they want you to fold. Watch more Polk hands, I guarantee you if he hits nut flush on the river he uses one hand to put in his bet (while looking disinterested).
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@@rolirolsterur right. Doug Polk, high stakes pro for over a decade as a $1/2 tell. Makes logical sense
@@rolirolster Youre such a newbie but i like your mentality, that's how i print money, its impressive how many people think just like you!Good job!
Not the craziest fold ever. Nice bluff from Doug.
It's a terrible fold, he is blocking a flush with his diamond and also blocking a potential set of 8,s with his 8. Board screams busted straight draw
@@skylertaylor7283here he is
It's an easy fold. Sometimes you have to fold even when you are winning.
@@skylertaylor7283 key word blocks, doesn't mean can't have flush not to sure how 8 of diamonds is really a key card in a lot of Doug's value hands, blocking 8s isn't all that relevant either
@@skylertaylor7283 the 8d removal isn't as useful as it seems. If Doug had something like 98d, he doesn't have much equity and he's more likely to fold the flop or turn. He had a combo draw which gave him more equity.
Back in the day we called those outs “phantom outs” meaning the most likely outs you might have if you’re drawing, but not ACTUALLY the draw you have. As the hand was playing out I thought to myself “ he also has the flush outs”.
No limit is very difficult. It almost seems as though, with that draw heavy board, A8 Is the probable best hand on the turn, Peter should have tried harder to win the pot at that point by making the draws pay more.
The stacks are massively deep
Peter doesn't have many flushes when he checks the river, he almost always has 88, Q8, or A8 for made hands. If Peter's folding Ax8d then he's folding too wide vs Doug tbh.
The 8d looks indeed like the decisive factor. Plus, of course, Doug being a very capable player where finding exploitative folds is very difficult.
Agree. I think you check for that reason. To get Doug to blast. I think you have to call here a bit more than half. Like you said, when he checks mostly no flushes, other than big flushes as traps. But, your still leading them mostly. Doug is crafty.
What hand besides exactly JT can Doug possibly have that doesn't beat A8? That's why he played it, his straight would be sooo hidden he'd get paid and the most logical hand is a flush draw
With the 8 of diamonds I think you have to call River as block 8x of diamond flushes. Also how often does Peter check flushes on the River? Many people are unbalanced so have little to no flushes when they check there, in that case this hand seems like even more of a must call spot.
@@ryandaley3351 have to call and easy call are not the same. Also blocking the pair and flush draw is pretty relavant as that is a natural continuing hand that would bomb the river for value he no longer can have.
@@ryandaley3351 What are you talking about. 8d is super relevant as it blocks many pair+flush draw hands that Doug could've called a raise and called a turn with. Doug would've 3-bet in position with most of the big suited hands like KdJd or KdTd so need to reduce probability for those hands. Given Doug's capability I agree with other commenters that the 8d in his hand is the deciding factor for a call.
$125k??? Yeah, I was wrong.
If I get there on the river I value bet. So an overbet looks suspicious.
There’s 3 people you DONT fold to. Rampage, Mariano and Doug Polk in THAT EXACT order!
True but in this situation it honestly felt like from peters perspective that Doug was trying to use his reputation as s bluffer to get paid at least if I were in Peters situation thats how I would read it
You can fold to mariano
Doug follows a heuristic on a lot of draw completing rivers where he bets either 2/3 pot, or 1.5X pot, so he’ll probably go for £185k.
I saw Doug Polk at a grocery store in Los Angeles one time. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Are you being serious
@@DrywallerThings that never happened.
How can you be certain it wasn't Vanessa?
lmao 15 milky ways
Lmao. Idk why but the details to this joke are so f'ing random I can't stop 😂
but what you forgot to mention is Dough played pre flop flop turn and 185k on the river that makes peter think Doug has a flush of diamonds
My thinking on is that Doug is aware my range likely consists of 88, A8, diamond combos including 89, 108, k8, and perhaps j8, and j10. I never give Doug credit for QQ, AA, and 88 is blocked. And some sticky Ax combos like AJ or A10. which I eliminate on the river with the over bet. There are the str8 combos in Dougs range, mostly the 910 hearts and 910 of diamonds. With the overbet I personally look at why this size and what is its purpose against my range, unless Doug knows something about me enough to level with me here to fool me. Otherwise, this bet seems to be a nut flush designed to get paid off maximum value by hoping I have a smaller flush with one of the x8 diamond combos in my range. Against the rest of my range, this bet feels like it is designed to get me to fold out the rest of my non flush range. This bet puts serious pressure toward folding against my sets and two pair, and if Doug was betting non flush straights, there are too many combos in my range that I would call with for him to bet this size imo that have him beat and at same time fold out my hands that he has beat. So, I would eliminate all 910 combos, even if Doug has J10d, it eliminates so many combos of diamonds that I may have that he can beat, and the 7d really hurt that group he can be. Therefore I would lean toward that dougs range much more polarized than it seems, and this is either a nut flush, or missed draw that is not diamonds. KJd, K10d, k9d. That leaves imo all j10 combos, and 79h potentially that floated. I call.
Doug is the absolute best poker personality!
I paused the video and thinking that he would bluff 185K. I mean, it's a good spot to bluff, since it's clear what Peter has here. Having said that I have to say that it's very tough to execute. However I do think that if you can keep the calm and with the right sizing, a bluff would have succes here almost all of the time in this exact spot.
My sizing here would be a minimum of twice the pot, or even I would jam here all in. But then you also need big guts. I would only do this if I feel comfortable bluffing on the table and only if I am sure to have the nerves of steel that day.
I remember the first time I made a bluff like this live. Not in exactly the same situation since it was in a tournament (small tourney about 40 people), but we were about the same deep in chip stacks. To be fair it was I think my second or third tournament ever, so adrenaline levels were high.
And yes the bluff did have a huge succes, but I rememember so good I felt like dying during the 1 a 2 minutes process after I made the bluff. Almost to the level of shitting my pants. I needed a full 30 minutes or so to regain my composure afterwards 😆. I was so hyped of the succes that I actually showed my opponent the bluff after the hand. It was an old reg. and he just went on complete tilt, also hunting me and participating in about every hand I played afterwards.
I soon kicked him out of that tournament, which I ended third position. I remember playing perfectly until the final table where my game level dropped significantly. I should have won that tournament, good memories to that bluff. I think it was my first big bluff in a live setting.
My impression of Doug Polk... Like, like, like ,like, like ,like like, like ,like, like.. I bet 300. LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE, YES 300 I BET.
Doug has heart he went after Peter and success
This hand other preflop seems incredibly standard
lol I watched until the end now. You see, this even works with 1,5 sizing.
And trust me, Doug must have been extremely nervous in this spot. The showing of his bluff is just some release of pressure from his side, I think. I mean I think it would be way more beneficial for your profile that you don't show these kind of bluffs. You just don't want people to know that you are capable of making such a play.
Lol I was right. I think it's a good play, although I do think he should have made it a larger overbet for maximum results.
Is A3o really not a raise with a 2K ante? Seems marginally too loose at worst. at best it's probably standard?
No reason to show it of course 😊
Of course there is. Next time you do it the same, except you have it
@@jeremywright5036Even if you bluff again exactly the same they have to believe you have it the 2nd time😂
Mind games
showing the bluff is a very reason
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That's extremely simple and one dimensional thinking tbh
I thought around 160k. 133% pot sounded reasonable to me 🤷♂️
All the keyboard warriors lol. Peter's river checking range is protected because he has plenty of not nut flushes in his checking range. That river bet by Doug is huge and believable. I don't blame the fold, and I think it's a profitable fold in the long run.
Double exclams is chess represent a brilliant move.
Hustler Live - isn't that the place where some big time cheating was just unearthed?
Shhhh!
Clearly Polk is gonna bluff at it-yes he would prefer to have a diamond…
I think he is gonna go *BIG* like 2-2.5x pot. 250-300k
Tough. Peter did block a diamond….not enough I guess
Peter probably put him on 10 9 of diamonds more of a go with the gut play from peter. He was right about him having a 10 though
I guessed the larger size.
Imo Peter checked to call and he would have done with a pot bet or smaller. Nice from Doug.
I've been here before when I check and in my head am 100% calling then go OH 💩🤣🤣🤣
Why show??? Never show. Keep em guessing. I do like the bluff- poker 101....rep the flush if it comes in if youre chasing a straight draw.
Advertising. Table image matters. You show a big bluff, you are sure to get paid more often when you have it.
At your local casino I agree but here you know he’s going to look up the stream later anyway so if you know he’s going to find out what you had and you think showing will tilt him/reinforce your image and help you get paid off then I think go for it.
I also imagine that Doug knows what he’s doing!
Doug is more of a nit than the average player so he needs players to have a seed of doubt that he's capable of bluffing to actually get paid off when he has a legitimate hand.
@@razersedge2k974 Have you ever even watched Doug play? He donks of bluffing more than any other player ive seen on the live streams
Nice bluff vanessa
Peter checked the river and gave Doug the green light to bluff. Maybe a 2/3 pot bet by Peter would have been the correct play.
I am pretty sertain doug never overbets a set there J. He is totally polarized with the 1.5x Dougs range has more than enough better hands to bet and some bluffs for balancing. I dont think you understand how overbets in this spots work or you simply did not put much thought in to this. Dont mean to be mean but thats what i see and i think you can do better.
I will call that river bet all day! I’m f@cking millionaire 😂😂😂
He folded because he's a millionaire. Understand?
Will you be my backer?
Good bluff, I would definitely fold two pairs, not insane at all
Watched Doug enough to know he is over betting here. With nuts or bluff
Over bet incoming. My guess is at least 150K. Doug may even go 2x pot.
he'll go either 185k or all in.
$185k +
How do you get your money from the freeroll?
crypto
I would call any day
You've never seen $185K. So you could never call even one day.
This is a super old hand
$185K all day from Doug! Can't wait...
185k to win 305k, you don't need to be wrong calling a lot to make money here, especially w/ 2 pair.
@@ryandaley3351 +-37% right? Not 60%
@@ryandaley3351are you sure this is right? You only need to win %33 of the time again a 100percent pot size bet. How does a 150percent pot suddenly make you need to win twice as much (your stated 65%)?
Cuz I don’t think it does
@@ryandaley3351 you're joking right? If not where do you play just curious
What is peter beating at this point though? What is doug getting to the river with that doesnt beat A8 there? Only KJ off suit. Maybe k10. Loses to 9-10, diamonds, sets, shit even AQ.
Way to kill any sense of tension in the hand.
Peter would probably rather have the 9d here rather than the 8d, even though it makes his hand weaker in absolute value.
Do go on sir
@@KevinsKontentKorner 9d blocks both the diamond draw and the straight draw making it way more likely Dougs bluffing. Also the 9d is a bigger part of Dougs flush hands than 8d would be. With 8d doug can't have suited connectors since peter has the 9 and the 7 is on the river. Further reducing flush combos
Why do you shout.
Didn't Polk say in 2018 he was going to stop playing poker? Or was it 2020, or both? Sounds like a drama queen with a huge ego.
When you flop two pair just don't fold. Yeah sometimes you're going to lose, but if you know that the player you're going against has a lot of bluffs I would honestly rather lose the 185,000 than get bluffed. Idk I wonder what would have happened if Peter would have bet the river. Do you think Doug Polk would have bluff raised him, I doubt it. Online this is a play I would say FUCK and then still call and be pleasantly surprised.
Ok yeah you’re a bad player
You're a fish 🐟
Doug is rhe goat
Guessing 85k$ bluff
Oh I was only off by 100k lol
$185K
Player dependent on whether you should fold or not. Against Doug who is capable of running a big bluff, you might have to call here at least some of the time.
I think if you give Doug many of the combos of diamonds (and there are fewer of those because both the A and Q are on the board) and T9 as his value hands and JT offsuit along with some broadway hearts as his bluffs, you probably are supposed to call.
150-175k
185k
It's only insane if you lose
Seems ok fold
Could someone explain to me what I'm getting wrong here regarding pot odds with the turn call, as explained by Jonathan at 3:10. Doug has to call 12 to win 45, so he's getting roughly 4:1 odds. Jonathan says he has to be right 25% of the time but 4:1 odds expressed as a percentage is 20%????
I think you should calculate pot odds without your money added to the pot when you call.
If the pot is 0 and someone puts in 100, you need 50% or better to call. (1:1 odds)
But if you calculate "oh I call 100 to win 200 (after the call) it just makes no sense since you would have 2:1 odds or 33%. In reality you need over 50% to be +EV.
So if the pot is 33,5k and you need to call 12k it is roughly 25%. So in the video this was confusing because he said "call 12 to win 45"... no he would need to call 12 to win 33,5k.
$170
125k
obvious bluff because doug fumbled his chips hehe
144k
185
🎉
250000
Doug is the type of guy yoh dont leave your girlfriend around ..or even your mates girlfriend..he would try and feel them up first chance he got 😅
from STP ratio, I call that shit so fast I break my wrist.
If they bet $275k I fold.
I don't have this kind of money, but in a 1/2 game STP wise,. I call his bet.
Obvious Doug bluff if he did any homework on Doug
No analysis on the river check?!?! Seems like a key point in the hand.
Not much "analysis" going on here.
The flush came in, and we don't have the flush
So we check
Happy now?
@@pugsnhogz you should probably pay the $1000 for the course he's selling on checkers, that game is more your speed.
@@tulipstothemoon349 lollll
Who is lending Duuuurrrr money these days?
Click bait titles should be punished with the unsubscribe button
Ok Karen.
First?
245k
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