Did He CHEAT?????
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.พ. 2024
- The echoes of the Garrett Adelstein vs. Robbi Jade Lew scandal on Hustler Casino Live can still be heard in the poker world. Well, once again, accusations of cheating erupted live on stream as GT's pocket rockets were crushed by Luda Chris' ludicrous play!
When playing super deep stacked poker, some of the best preflop hands to bluff with are suited connectors and suited gappers because when you do happen to flop a strong hand, you are likely to get paid off, and when you don’t, you can often represent the high cards like aces or kings.
Luda Chris is introduced as a long time regular on the show who plays up to $200/$400. The commentator mentions during the player introductions that Luda Chris’ favorite hand is K3, and “any other hand you could possibly put together”.
GT is introduced as a tech guy from San Francisco who loves to gamble. He often flies in to play on the Hustler Casino Live stream and is part of the Hustler family.
Hustler Casino Live is a full-scale, high-value poker production. Close to a million dollars was spent transforming the casino’s high-limit poker room, the Crystal Room, into the set of this new state-of-the-art live show. Hustler Casino Live looks more like coverage of a TV broadcast sporting event and appeals to those beyond the poker community. Unscripted and unedited, they host regular poker streams such as ‘Max Pain Monday’ and ‘Thirsty Thursday’. Some of the most notable poker players to have appeared on the show are Phil Ivey ‘The Tiger Woods of Poker’, Tom Dwan ’durrrr’, Phil Hellmuth ‘The Poker Brat’, Chris Moneymaker, Doug Polk ‘WCGRider, Garrett Adelstein ‘Gman’, Tony Guoga ‘Tony G’ and many more.
In the ante game, all players post $25 as an ante, but the player on the button posts $50. The action starts to the left of the button (small blind), and players need to cover the $50 ante to enter the pot.
🔍 Pre-Flop Drama:
The ante game action kicks off from the small blind, where Mike X calls the extra $25 with his J3 of clubs. Luda Chris in the big blind follows suit with 86 of hearts, prompting calls from Dr. H. under the gun with 97 of clubs and from Jboogs under the gun +1 with 54o. GT in the lojack then bumps up the price of poker by raising it to $1,000 with pocket aces. Francisco, sitting in the hijack with pocket tens, decides to call. Mike X also calls before Luda Chris makes a surprising limp re-raise to $6,000. Dr. H. and Jboogs fold, but GT 4-bets to $19,000. Francisco and Mike X fold, but Luda Chris, undeterred, calls to see a flop heads-up with GT.
💸 Flop - Ks 8d 8c
After Luda Chris hits trips on this dream flop he decides to check, allowing GT to fire out a small bet of $15,000 with his overpair. Luda Chris sets the trap and decides to just call as they both head to the turn.
💣 Turn - Jd
The turn J of diamonds brings a potential backdoor flush draw. Once again, Luda Chris checks to the aggressor. GT might be suspicious that he is beat here as he opts to check back.
🌊 River - 7s
After the 7 of spades completes the board. Luda Chris, with trips, decides he wants to take over the betting lead in the hand and become the aggressor. He slides all his chips across the line and announces “all-in” for $32,225. GT doesn’t like this half pot-sized bet. But what will he do with aces - call or fold? What he does next and what he says after will throw you out of your seat! Listen closely to this entire poker video to find out!
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Do YOU think Luda Chris cheated or not? 🤯
You can't look at cheating allegations against Luda by just watching this hand (even though calling off a third of his stack with 86s out of position for so much money is definitely sus imo). Luda has a history of cheating allegations against him and was kicked off LATB because of the allegations. Ryan Feldman is Luda's ex room mate and very good friend, he was also part of production at LATB and is at HCL. There's very long and detailed Reddit threads about allegations against Luda and Feldman that you have to take into account when talking about this topic.
Garret has even called them out over this.
I don't think he did, but I'm curious how GT can be so sure, and if he's sure, how exactly did he cheat? He mentions a watch beeping. Are there examples of this being used in the past? Saying someone cheated, and mentioning a mysterious watch beeping seems illogical and more of a sign that he's on tilt more than anything else. Getting your Aces cracked on the flop is a tough spot but I've never heard anyone accusing someone of cheating because of it. Seems like a low brow move from this guy, then he goes into himself being persecuted, sad. Time to take a break if this is how you act on live TV.
Nope
NOt sure why people are scared of male nudity. He offered to strip should of put that live on the stream. Problem solved. Win 60k gotta show your balls
If HE thinks he's being cheated and doesn't stop playing immediately then he's a moron.
Bad beats are hard to take, but accusing him of cheating is out of line.
Waaaa! Waaaa! You cracked my aces! You must be cheating! Honestly, this is NLHE. Who hasn't had their aces cracked by a hand that should have folded pre-flop? It's a brutal game. Sack up.
Sure buddy 😂😂😂😂 so how much money does luda losing? Cause he can't win playing like this. Unless there is cheating going on... 😮 I know.... Your tiny brain can't comprehend such things. You probably think robbies j4 wasnt cheating as well... 😂😂😂😂
Normally you get cracked because you don’t raise big enough. Putting in 19k pre with 86s is just not normal play.
Yea but if it happens 3 weeks in a row at an owner dealt home game it’s more likely to be cheating
@@knorre111What is normal play??? You mean the way YOU choose to play. You get 2 cards each hand and can play them. Seems normal to me.
@@knorre111 you are right that it's not a standard play but people who play for a living know the importance of deviating at times and this is a perfect example of why you do (when your deep stacked of course.) Plus a professional player and coach is saying it's not unreasonable and everyone at the table is confirming that he does stuff like this all the time. Absolutely no foul play, just a bad beat and there's been way worse bad beats where the loser didn't accuse the winner of cheating. This dude is just a sore loser and shouldn't be invited back because he can't handle table.
The way he insulted his integrity, I gotta give a lot of props to Luda Chris here for taking it in stride.
Agreed. He’s had his moments on tilt on the show before too. He handled it respectfully from the other side.
I'd just be smiling while I stacked your old, my new, chips in front of you
if you know the scene, you'll know that luda is definitely involved in some underhanded shit at big games
@@XxMalcolm He'll shoot angles but outright cheat? I doubt it.
No way he cheated, GT just got steamed because his aces cracked
Yes...
It is annoying to have your AA cracked by random garbage that shouldn't call a 4 bet.
@@jeffshackleford3152 that 86s call is a stupid play. No matter what, he put in 20% of his stack pre. he’s an insane luckbox at least
"This is not a normal play"
- He says after calling an open with 93 suited lmao
Pretty sure he meant say "That's not even a poker hand!" How are people not demanding he shake Luda down in the hallway to get his money back?
He's on tilt and trying to get rid of his button... and lit $300 on fire instead of $19,000. Not saying he's right about cheating or that he's not a crybaby, just responding to that one specific call.
Calling 86s oop for insane amount pre is for sure a winning play lol
@@jaybingham3711 Because it's an entirely different situation clown.
watch the person massaging luda. He is cheating; she's sending him signals.
If GT had poket kings it would have still all gotten in and he would be happy. Is he accusing the dealer of rigging the deck? That's the only way I can see this as cheating.
But he’s saying if they are cheating, he’s never gonna have pocket kings there
I think he's suggesting he knows the outcome beforehand. So if GT had KK then Luda wouldn't have gotten beeped or whatever.
Guy obviously doesn’t know his opponent. Luda is a maniac. And guy was the fish.
So how much money luda is losing? Cause playing like this you can't win. Calling 1/3 of his stack 😂😂😂😂
@@FriendsForFriends666it's only 30% of his stack if you take into account the dead money that is already out there ( he started the hand with 66k, and by the time of the 19k bet already had in 6k), so the the 13k call was for only a little over 20% of his remaining stack. Having watched this guy play before, not an stock call for him, TBH. To answer your question, though, he was down a LOT, but recently got unstuck to be up around 250k over the past year. So, yeah, he's had some pretty big swings, which isn't surprising.
@@stringfellowlocke2214 - What does so the the mean?
As Stu Unger said, “All 2 aces are good for is winning a small pot, or losing a big one.”
That was back when everyone knew when you had aces
Stu Ungar is a legend but that comment is complete bs.
Who the fuck is Stu Unger?
I agree with that statement...either you gonna pay to hit it...and if a flop is too suspicious for me you would get the minimum from me..or you can have it all preflop...
Dude is a crybaby. Period.
he “put him on kings” so he _had_ to call the king high board…
Perhaps he meant a pair of Kings with the board - meaning two pair, Kings and Eights.. and not pocket Kings.
I was the appointed, anointed loser.
I was the target.
I had aces, and before I had kings, and lost (therefore I MUST HAVE BEEN CHEATED)
The thing that seemed strangest to me was raising to 6000$ with 8 6 suited. The psychology of the situation when you're already invested 6000, and Luda did not know he was going up against aces, I can see the call in that spot.
As for whether Luda was cheating, I haven't watched a lot of his play, but from what little I know about him, he likes to play very crazy, or "ludicrously", so no, I don't think he was cheating. I just think he plays contrary to what modern poker theory says he should do
I think Luda knew his range well even if he has AA he’s gambling but the hands gunna be super easy to play if he hits
Yes, everyone keeps saying he called 19... but he called 13 into more than 26...
Luda has a very volatile way of playing sometimes, nothing he did was out of the ordinary
Absolutely not. That was Luda just being Luda. Also with the stand up game being on.
I am just a chat pro. But I watch these streams all the time I did not blink an eye when Luda played those napkins and cracked AA.
Just today at 1/2 at Foxwoods I had AA in LP.
UTG, r10, +2, +3 calls, I make it $50. $200 effective. UTG calls, everyone else folds. Flop comes QsJd6h, UTG checks, I bet $35 UTG shoves, I call. UTG HAS J6 of clubs… these things happen, it’s NOT cheating.
That sounds like a very good game 😂
@@afish12 it was awesome, only downsides were 1. Dude ended up giving my money back to someone else other than me and 2. He went to play 2/5 after and I had to leave :(😢😢😢
Thank you for letting us all know these things happen. Its our first day of playing 1-2. We really needed that hand history.
@@garrydye2394 :( I don’t have a lot of friends. Sorry.
@@garrydye2394 Can you stop being a dick for like two seconds?
Don't think Luda cheats, but it did leave a bad impression when it came out Luda and Ryan Feldman are roommates or even more.
yeap that was very sus that he even hid it from LATB
Im surprise he havent come out to apologize. Saying someone is cheating on stream is a very serious accusation.
He learnt how to be a sore loser from the goat man, G
I don't think he cheated, but it's an awful play, which does make it weirder coming from a pro than at a 1/2 game. I think it's sufficiently out of line that I can at least understand why GT is suspicious.
That said, JL always gives great analysis, but the idea that 86s is okay "because they are deep" makes no sense here. It's not about the number of BB they started with. GT made it 19k preflop and Luda has 60k left. He's going to the flop *out of position* with just over 1 SPR. How is even 67s or 87s supposed to realize here?
JT did say some for the best hands are suited C's when you are deepstacked. But literally the very next sentence JT countered this with " I think LudaChris was probably a bit too ludacris pre-flop, with calling a somewhat big re-raise with the suited gapper from OOP"
The fact that you chose to purposely ignore this makes no sense either.
Yes, but it's not even close. It's not like a 55-45 thing. @@boholad1983
@@boholad1983 He also massively downplayed how unbelievably bad this play is.. "this may seem insane, don't get me wrong it's loose, but it could be worse". It is insane and an utter garbage decision.
Who said he is capable of always knowing and making the best EV play? Man just likes to gamble. How is that so difficult to grasp? I play poker for a living and I still like to gamble with some negative EV calls sometimes
@@88mphDrBrown Eh? JL said the PF play was ludacris. And it was.
But it was not in the least bit suspicious.
It's very standard for this guy Chris's type of poker. He makes wild plays like this on livestreams all the time, prob to ensure he gets invited back again and again.
We've all had Ace's cracked by opponents making very bad calls, multiple times.
I love how everyone was saying this is normal on a Tuesday, but all of them seem super surprised about the fact he called with 68.
There's no way to say, but the 4 bet call watched lots of this stream. I always see things dont add up i can say i would never play there
And let's say you're not a regular viewer. And before sitting down, you're forewarned about the game. And you still sit down? That's stupid beyond belief. And only makes him look more pathetic.
There's literally no way to cheat unless the dealer is in on it, which isn't the case. Things don't add up because probability is involved. The deck is shuffled every hand. You are not a poker player, if you are I can assure you that you're not good
@nunyabidness2143 the shuffling machines can be hacked and manipulated to have the outcome of your choice, the cheating can take place with the dealer completely unaware of what is taking place.
@crackmiler9127 Yes, I researched that and found some for sale it's crazy and some many people are in denial of the cheating
@@crackmiler9127 they don't use shufflle machines in poker genius
It happens to all of us all the time, whining about it like a little child is pathetic. Hats off to Chris for not going off.
Luda said he was okay with being stripped. I kinda wish he did actually just to prove this clown wrong. He got aces cracked, it happens.
Luda tried to squeeze with $6000….. and he didn’t want to lose it for free. It was quite alright to bet $13k more . Dude is crazy
If he felt cheated why is he sitting there still...? Aces gets cracked all the time. 😅
21:48 Proves its very unlikely to be any foul play, and just a bitter pissed off jerk
calling the 19k is ridonculous
That is definitely a major whale off right.
Bluff 3 bet fold to 4 bet hand right there, especially OOP.
Like Mr. Little said, " At least it's suited"
It was 13k to call at that point, not 19k.
@@stringfellowlocke2214 not to mention he was calling 13 K to win 27K. Which means in order to break even he has to be right one out of three times, or 33%. Then you have implied odds where the amount of money you make can be that much greater if you manage to crack a hand like aces or kings.
@@UnhingedanduninformedWhat kind of IO are you expecting putting in 1/3 of your stack?
More often the board comes Q83 or two hearts or 97x and you're priced in to call off your stack as an underdog.
IO makes sense to put in maybe 5% of your stack, and even then you need a 4bettor who is blind to possible flushes and straights.
@@PhilipJReed-db3zcIt was 13K from a stack of 60K. It wasn't 1/3. It was closer to 1/5. I'm not defending the play, but let's at least try and be accurate.
It sucks to get felted with Aces, get over it and move on
Jonathan, why a couple of my comments on this video were deleted?
People do weird stuff in live games. If someone makes a non standard "bad" play and gets called a cheater for it how many players would be left? Feels like the guy is being a poor sport losing the pot.
Luda not only took his stack but the guy blowing this out of proportion gives Luda the image that he wants of being a fish, so in essence he got max value from the hand with implied future odds. The fact that he can show up with that hand will enable him to bluff the guy off AA when he doesn’t have anything.
That being said, Chris took that really well. As a poker player, being called a cheat and slandering someone’s reputation is a huge deal and should never be said lightly, so prob not the best to decide such a stance moments after you get sucked out on for 6 figures. I’ve been called a cheat twice in my life, each time things got ugly. I won’t ever be called a cheater when I’m not, I’m always gunna make a scene about it.
Can someone explain the beeping noise sounds and looks suspicious to me
Do you think if someone cheats will let the sound on instead of vibration. Luda's just being Luda. He plays unconventional crazy hands.
"MY POOR ACES! I LOST MONEY!" cry me a river.Jeez what a bad sport.
He called him a cheater and accused the entire game of having zero integrity but kept playing for an additional ten minutes (on this video) and flicking in his blinds. He specifically said he would refuse to listen to evidence that the guy isn’t a cheater, based on his feeling. He wanted to whine and was out of line.
This shit is so common in 1 2 I could never call it cheating
Sorry if this is a really stupid question, but when Jonathan Little says at 2.22 that some of the best hands to bluff with are going to be suited connectors, and that Luda's hand isn't as good as it's a suited gapper, why is that the case?
I understand that 87 will beat 86, but if we're talking in the context of bluffing, both are suited and both require 3 cards to make a straight. Isn't it essentially the same thing?
Newbie to poker here and trying to learn😅 I appreciate anyone's response in advance!
7/8 can make one more straight than 6/8.
(456, 569, 69T, 9TJ) vs
(457, 579, 79T)
Further, the extra straight will usually be the nut straight.
afaik nowadays A2s - A5s and even some otherwise unplayable Kxs (say K9s) are preferred to 87s for this squeeze. The ace blocker drastically reduces the chances you're against AA or AK.
87s isn't awful to semibluff but lacks the blocking. you should get in enough 3 bet bluffs in with those blocker hands. adding in even more is bluffing way too much.
I'm slightly surprised Jonathan is advocating the old school approach
That said if you're a beginner in a live 1-3 game, first learn the basics then start doing this with A5s just to get a feel for light 3 betting and see what happens. If no one ever folds to your 3 bet then you don't need a 3 bet semibluff range for it. If you take down pots, try adding a few more light 3 bets to make them pay for folding to your value 3 bets.
I don't think so. That seems Luda's style of play. He looks for a way to win pots. Whether it's a bluff or hits the flop
Lmao Luda didn’t force two 8s on the flop after calling a 4bet with 22% equity. Dude is just upset. Shit happens
Luda couldn’t even tell if he was kidding or not. This dude was out of line for accusing him of cheating
86s has a lot more potential pre-flop than people realize. Nobody in a multi-way pot would have your outs or often play the same range. Rookies are the ones relying solely on standard hands as their entire arsenal.
I run so bad with Aces and at this point am jus used to losing with Aces, this is jus a suck out. Luda Chris plays like that , crazy preflop and hyper aggressive post.
lol no just a loose player. I've played against players like that before. It's just one of those hands that "it is what it is" hand.
Most of the time when my aces get cracked its usually some combo of suited cards
I wish someone would check me.
I'm lonely af.
But honestly. GT needs to re-raise more. 3x-ing to 19k is giving Luda good odds. 6k to 19k isn't a big raise at this place.
Sure, in the long run, you don't run into this specific situation, but I'd raise there to at least 24k.
Yeah, bad beat but don't cry about it. Just watch people lose at super high roller final tables with like house vs house or flush vs house or etc.
It happens.
P.S.: I'm a 1/3 NL poker pro on Sundays so I know everything about poker.
P.S.S: Some say GT is still talking about this hand to this day and checking everyone's buttholes for devices.
He will not want to return and there is no way he will be invited back. So everyone gets what they want in the end.
If the guy knew what you had, he probably would have shoved the turn to avoid scaring you off with a King, or a diamond on the river.
He also accused the casino of cheating. If this was a home game, he might have a point. A casino however is highly unlikely to want to bust someone early when they can keep everyone at the table a rack up more tips and rake. If they were colluding, they would have done it much later in the session and they certainly wouldn't have done it during a streamed game where everything can be meticulously reviewed by all the players who potentially would play there. Short term gain for long term losses makes zero sense.
No matter how he tries to spin it, his reasoning makes zero sense.
it all goes back to the garrett-robbi hand. the way hustler casino live handled that situation has obviously undermined their credibility.
Exact same thing happened to me last week at much lower stakes. Just have to remember you want them to make fish calls.
But you don’t want them to CHEAT. That’s what we’re talking about.
This is standard for the guy. He did the same thing a year ago go where he called a large 4 bet with Q-10 off and ended up cracking aces.. People hold aces to long, I’ve done the same thing.
One of the first things I learned as a poker player was don't get married to any pair.
GT should be mad at the fact that these guys know that he plays so bad that they will call anything because they know they will outplay them after the flop
If a dude in his 50’s wants smoke, he can get smoke. Insulting my play is one thing. Insulting my integrity is different. Hopefully he calmed down and apologized.
This doesn't look like cheating. It's nothing like the Robbi v Gman hand, nor the Postle hands.
anyone who thinks Luda Chris is cheating clearly doesn't play a lot of poker. aces get cracked by suited connectors and one gappers all the time. its literally part of the game, GT is a crybaby and needs to learn how to take a loss like a grown man.
They quickly changed dealers.....smart!
Cheating would be a wild accusation
Luda doesn’t have a very good poker face. It’s easy to tell he has something good when he says “around 30” at the end. It’s the same as saying “it’s just 30 k more” like hey may as well pay it off.
Luda isn’t even the person that said that “it’s around 30” that was someone else at the table.
Clown comment. Luda doesn’t say anything.
@@pennywise4843 oh yeah youre right. But the way he says 'all in' is very clear he is bluffing. I would have folded pre.
I just can't see this hand being cheated. The crazy part isn't post flop its pre. Are we really saying Luda knew the deck? is the dealer that good at mechanics? seems a pretty remote chance to me.
he thinks he was cheated but still stuck around? 😅 “I’m actually not going to play tomorrow” Why are you still playing _right now?_ Pretty sure this guy was just pissed he lost his kid’s college money and was angling for a rebate from the hosts
The more suspicious thing is Nick walking off stream the next time Luda played and he made a very loose call when usually a nit. Now I am not saying Luda cheated the last time he was on the show. I am saying I suspect many of these players just share the winnings later off stream and it is a show for certain players. Which of this is the case sorta makes the game less to me. I don’t have any evidence this happens later.
No way he cheated. Guy just mad his pocket AA gets cracked LMFAO.... 8/6 suited is a prefect hand to call with in a cash game to bust hands like AA KK QQ etc... Dude just cant lay down pocket AA's . Look i know pocket AA is the best hand in poker . But they get cracked all the time . Not that damn hard to fold .
It's the best hand in poker....PF.
@@padenbang7375 and gets cracked 20% of the time, give or take a little.
Agree with the getting cracked part, but if you are folding AA in that spot, you are torching money.
8 6 isn't the perfect hand to put %30 of your stack in preflop
@@jayurenos seat open. Don’t give that guy lessons.
Had my aces cracked in a 4 bet pot by 5-2 suited. I flopped a set they flopped a steel wheel.
Give the boy a soother, wow, way out of line
The name Ludacris explains it all he plays Ludacris hands if you ever watch him play😂
The commentary when he plays reminds me so much of GodKing Postle, not during this hand but just watching the stream, they talk about him like he's on another level.
I have no idea who Luda Chris is and i'm just a micro stakes regular. If player calls big 4bet with a 86s out of position, he is not just a fish, he is a fat golden goose everyone would be happy to play with. He plays every second hand and bluffs every third one. But if Luda Chris is a competent player, i could believe that something was wrong with a dealer.
Idk … do you slow down after that flop? I think he did right with the c bet then slowed down. 50% pot bet all in.. you gotta call that cuz that a small part of his stack anyway
I think Garret has a better gripe!!
I’d say strangest thing is Luda saying “wow didn’t think you had aces”. What did he think then? AK? Quite thin river bet with an 8 if you don’t think they have AA.
Overall just looked like fairly amateur hand more than cheating.
Once i also thought poker was set up against me after a bad run that hasnt happened in 10 years of game, but what GT is doing is really acusing not Luda Chris but Hustler's and its potential connections with Luda to set up hands, i think he's just running very bad and having a very very unlucky situations that led to that assumptions
THIS HAPPENS TO THE BEST OF US!! How many of us have played out of position some garbage and get a dream flop? This shit happens. It’s ridiculous but it does happen.
Calling someone a cheat is almost calling someone a pedophile. This is a huge statement and GT should apologize for being a bitxh.
New found respect for Luda.
Took a swing then got priced in with implied, absolutely ZERO chance of cheating and the guy should just never play poker again if his aces being cracked makes him think everyone's cheating.
Implied odds? He had an SPR of 1, he put 400 bbs in with 8/6 , he has been accused by multiple players of cheating, he was living with the stream owner for years and the shuffling machines can be hacked and manipulated, I actually don't think he cheated bit to just shrug it off as he got caught up is ridiculous.
There 2 questions though; did he cheat? (No), is it ok to slander someone on a live stream for 10 minutes+? If someone called me a cheat to thousands of people, constantly, I’d be calling the manager and possibly a lawyer
I played a live tournament last night, blinds were 100/200. I had AA. 1st to act raises to 1,500 (I immediately know they have AK, KK, or QQ based on the player). I raise to 5,000. Another player behind calls. 1st to act goes all in, I go all in, and the last guy who called the 5K looks me dead in the eyes and calls the all in. I was right on 1st to act, he had QQ. The other opponent called with Q8 suited!!!! Dumbest call ever, but for some reason I knew the dumb caller was going to win. I wasn't afraid of a Q coming out since 3 were accounted for, and of course the turn/river were both 8s. Thankfully Q8 was small stacked - which is probably why he shipped it - but still, this type of play does happen. Some people just like to gamble
That being said, I can't stand when players take a loss so disgracefully as GT. Suckouts are part of the game, its 10000x more enjoyable when you just ride out the waves and don't act like a douche
Lmao he said “one time nik Airball had pocket 4s vs my pockets kings I RAISED BIGG! And he instantly flops a set..!! AND NOW THIS! This is definitely rigged!” 😂😂😂😂
im suprised the gaming commission allows someone to have access to hold cards in real time
There is always the possibility of cheating, but this hand shows no red flags at all.
There are so many ways to cheat in poker, it's hard to say. But if I was cheating or part of a group of scammers, I'd pick a better spot to pull my stuff, just like Robbi with the J-4o, which was worse.
I don't trust a card shuffle machine it could stack the cards if there wasn't a computer in the shuffling machine
Nick with the top notch commentary the whole way too.
Can’t wait to see GT back at Husler 😂
The context here is missing. When Ryan Feldman was with Live at the Bike, there was HEAVY speculation of cheating with him and Chris. That’s what all the kerfuffle with Ryan and Garrett was about recently. Sure seems that many people think ‘Luda’ and Ryan cheated back in the day. Simple google searches will give you that context.
In a vacuum, seems GT is crazy for suggesting cheating. But GT is aware of the allegations of cheating with Chris in Feldman run games. That’s why he’s jumping to that conclusion. He’s not just randomly doing this because his aces got cracked.
Still, almost no chance of cheating here. None of the shadiness on HCL recently suggests a scam based on knowing the flop. Not how the alleged cheating purportedly works.
Just point out GT isn’t randomly tilting here. But that said, if you are GT, Garrett, whoever, and you know the history with Feldman and Chris, etc, why play on their stream. I can’t imagine knowing cheating allegations with certain players and producers, and then playing with them.
Vertucci and Feldman in Magic's headphones must be some of the greatest audio ever transmitted
When I first started playing poker, I cold called a 4 bet with K9 suited and flopped trip nines. Unlike luda, my first run up didn’t take me to the high stakes. But they didn’t wanna search my butthole for a vibrating butt plug, I just got called bad. 😢
I play in a cash game where people gamble and call off their stacks with suited rags all the time preflop. It's called gambling, bingo or just crazy play. It's not poker but u want those calls all day. Eventually they get lucky some of the time.
GT is the same type of dude to fold his cards pre flop and be mad when they hit. Yelling, why did you make me fold? How is he playing on a poker stream and doesn't understand the concept of gambling?
I don't know GT but if Luda thought his implied odds was all he had left it was 100% a call. He had 2/1 on a call, would get 1.6/1 vs AK so that woulda been +EV without implied odds. Against AA he had to win 3.5/1 cuz of 22% minus 2/1 pot odds = 1.5/1 implied odds so 1.5x 13.000 = 19500 implied money he'd think he'd have to win atleast! SO if GT is a nit who is gonna be ready to put atleast 20k in, it's 100% a call. Remember, this is not a tournament, it's a cash game.
No way he cheated. Just because he calls $19k pre, means nothing. Once the flop comes he ain’t going anywhere. If he called him down with 8 high that’s different
my experience when you get smooth called the whole way and then they jam they almost always have you beat
AA is a fold here after turn check. Luda could have 77/JJ//A8s. He bet before flop bc of the dead money in there though. Don’t feel like a cheating move. He would just call to get more ppl in. For AAs. He’s calling 60k regardless of what Luda do
He can be upset and go full tilt. But once you accuse someone of cheating, using evidence of this hand and Airball’s 44, you better bring receipts or be prepared to have your reputation destroyed.
This is normal Luda play. He has been playing like this on stream for over a year. Don't ever invite baby GT back.
I’ve seen a hand where Luda Chris called down his entire stack of 60+k with fucking Queen high by the river against a very strong range/hand. So this isn’t out of character for him at all to call a third of his stack with 8 high pre. He is called Ludicrous for a reason 😂
If you can’t take a bad beat, probably shouldn’t play poker. Thing is, GT would’ve been perfectly happy and probably needled Luda for the call had his aces held up.
Completely out of line from GT.. demeanour of players like that is obvious when they have a premium pair pre, the hands on the mouth aren’t fooling anyone when the player is incapable of constructing a 4-bet range that doesn’t contain premiums.
Therefore, Luda is more than justified to make the call with a suited one gapper because you will get paid.
There's absolutely no cheating going on first of all. Second of all GT is really going to call this man a cheater to his face for over an hour and then not take him up on the offer to be searched?? That's how you know even he doesn't believe it....
This GT dude is just ridiculous.. Did he not realise it's cashgame? Poor man, Aces have to win every single time in his mind. What a fish
Least he didn’t get set over set, then he really would have lost it. It happens, he was in a good spot as a huge favorite and got unlucky, lots of days Luda would have covered him and really ruined his day. Unless he thinks it’s some huge elaborate scheme with 30 or so people involved including the majority of people sitting in the game, but then that would mean that garret was in on it all along and every other big poker game/stream that he’s played on and had the same results, which would basically mean that poker in general is one big scam that everyone is in on to sucker whales in. He called 13k with a hand that is easy to play against an obvious range of an amateur. His direct odds are bad obviously, I’m not a huge math guy but I’m curious if you factor in the implied odds that if you hit your hand against likely AA,KK,AK that your gunna double up. If some reads this and wants to lay out the math that’d be sweet.
19k call when they usually play with millions...he took a "gaaamble" and won. What a cry baby! Aces get cracked every day!
The problem with cheating allegations here is that he played this terribly against AA and hole cards are really all the additional knowledge that's gainable unless you want to think they're using dealer mechanics and letting certain people know when their advantaged hands are coming. Luda didn't play this particularly well against AA. He made a good play to essentially squeeze against a 1k open and too many callers. The standup game made the open look polarized between huge pairs and trash and so a good chunk of time the 6k takes it down. On the other hand, if it was certainly AA he was up against, he should just join the calling parade and hope to flop well and get paid. So this is a really bad play against AA, IMO.
I think he then threw good money after bad with the call but with the implied odds of his range being depolarized by the call to just AA&KK maybe not. TBH the K88 board probably looked to Luda like HE might be getting set up, but he was pretty committed and did the right thing at that point to get all the money in.
Clearly there is nothing going on here but a man who’s pissed he lost a big pot.
In short, no, I don't believe Luda Chris cheated. His thought process, while potentially flawed because has was OOP, led him to believe that he had the right implied odds to call (he needed ~3:1 and was getting ~2:1, so he needs to make at least ~$13k to break even)