Bambu has done a lot of things right. They took the best from the 3D printing community and got serious in developing a consumer unit. I have a Voron 2.4 and I like it because I love to tinker on the machine BUT I do need a reliable machine, day in day out to print stuff. So... and for this price? Well, adios to 3/4 of the other manufacturers out there who didn't take this industry seriously. This will definitely expand the printing community.
I appreciate the honest perspective. Thank you. I would like to see an Eiffel Tower that maximizes the Z Height to see what happens with the speed and accuracy. I did back the KickStarter.
@@karoo_bushman6880 right? Lots of printers can do fast. Lots of printers can do decent quality on challenging prints, but sloooow. Not many printers can do fast & challenging prints.
As you know, I have one and also backed the Kickstarter. I think it's gonna be a game changer in our world! Manufacturers are going to have to start changing and Maybe we will stop seeing the same old printer over and over. Maybe it will make them take the time to develop something new, like Bambu Lab did!
I agree with you. I see Anker Maker is similar (I backed that one) where the quality, capability, and color control are truly at a new level. Last year, the AnyCubic Vyper got a lot of attention through setup, calibration, and control. This year, it seems like Babu and Anker Maker are driving us to a new level. What will next year bring?
@@agliacci I don't know. Even without it's "AI" which might never come, it had a lot of improvements that other more budget friendly manus have struggled to hit. Even simple things like USB cables for connections, and the print speed was impressive. They also have $1.1 billion in net worth, so support and future enhancements are more than likely down the road. If bambu folds in 6 months, good luck fixing any of their proprietary pieces.
@@agliacci It's a well designed & polished 3d printer in comparison to the bed slinger clones that are churned out on a daily basis these days. I would say that Anker have always weighed more towards marketing/branding than engineering in most of their products. Bambu lab looks to be much more innovative from a design & engineering standpoint and the end result is pretty nice indeed. The X1 is definitely "disruptive" in this space with it's feature set and value. This, to me, is pretty much like the Apple Mac's first appearance in the home computer scene. Interesting times ahead!
I'm reminded of Angus' words about 3D printing, in that he believes that "plug and play" is the key to this hobby going mainstream. Tinkering, adjusting, calibrating, and scraping failed prints off the bed more often than happily removing completed prints is what is keeping this hobby from "breaking through." All the Kickstarter warnings are valid, but from what I've seen of this machine (and Anker's), the "plug and play" simplicity of them are really huge steps in the right direction. As someone who backed this campaign, I would love to see how it handles a multi-material print of something like the Dead Man's Tale rifle from Destiny 2, or a complicated mech at a large-ish scale like something from Gundam, Armored Core, or Code Geass.
@Ronin Paterson Thingy-ma-bob collecting is a completely valid use of 3d printing. Let's not gate-keep. This hobby is already niche enough without walling off large segments of users.
@Ronin Paterson Well I love 3D Printing as a technology but I don't see my printers as toys but as tools. I love 3D printing because it has given me the opportunity of bringing my ideas and designs to live without the need of going to a machine shop. I don't hate fixing them or upgrading them if needed but I'd rather have them ready to print. That's the reason I use Prusa printers and not Chinese printers. Reliability is very important to me, don't have time to be playing with wires and code to get the printer to do its job properly.
@Ronin Paterson for me, the 'hobby' isn't 3D printing itself, the 'hobby' is using the 3D printer as a tool to print what I need. I use 3D printing to prototype structural parts or parts I use in other things I'm building. That's where my enjoyment comes from, not from having to tweak printer settings, or monitor and correct filament changes to get a complete print. I want to design parts and have the printer print them reliably and without any hassle.
I think we need to see how the color purging compares to other machines. Efficiency of this method is compared to purge blocks. Also that purge poop looks like it could be used as packing peanuts!
JOEL WAS YELLING! I appreciate both your honesty and enthusiasm. I'm new to everything 3D Printing, and this is the first Kickstarter launch for a 3D Printer I have experienced (10,000 tech ones in the past, of course).
Joel, I pledged but keep considering pulling out. I have a very similar view on Kickstarter as what you presented. As to what I'd like to know more about, mixed material would be great? Using PETG as PLA supports (or visa versa), using TPU as the outer skin of a PETG model (since PETG and TPU should bond). These are the things that interest me. I am a bit torn between this and a Prusa XL
Glad to see this machine covering new ground! I'd love to see Joel test how far we can reduce the purge waste while maintaining decent color separation. It's great that the filament purged is configurable. But if the default values are already already close to optimal, that would be important to know. Otherwise some may have unreasonable expectations about how much they can reduce that purge waste. And lastly, can waste be reduced further through purge-to-model techniques where a second model is used as a purge block?
I used to back a lot of Kickstarter projects (well over 100 in all). These days, I back one or two a year and not the expensive ones. Here are the ways things can turn out: 1. You can lose your money and nothing gets delivered. This is real. It has happened to me multiple times. Sometimes the person running the project will contact their backers and apologize for failing. Other times they just go silent and you never hear from them again. 2. You get a product that is clearly a beta test product and not really ready for prime time. 3. You get a product that is OK, but the company eventually fails or changes business focus. All vendor support ends. 4. The Kickstarter project is a complete success and you receive a good product. The company goes on the build version 2 of the product and sell it to consumers at large. You are stuck with version 1 while everyone else has the new and improved version. In most instances, it is better to wait for the product to hit the regular consumer market.
Total thanks!! for speaking so clearly about the good, the not so good, and the risks. This is another way to express the respect you have for your passion, your work and your audience.
I backed it, EB carbon combo #159 I know it can be fast, but I would love to see what the max quality could be if you take your time with the slicer. And vasemode would be nice, too!
I want to point out that KickStarter has actually updated how it handles it's "fundraisers". You actually AREN'T charged until the kickstarter meets the funding goal and it's actually ended. So, if they cancel then you're still fine because they shouldn't have charged you at all. Just wanted to make sure people were aware of this incase they were nervous about backing the KickStarter for the printer! :P
I think the lidar should be closed to businesses and enterprise but open to the community. I think this is the one unique feature that might give them the major advancement over others, and we do no want other companies entering the space with it and ruining the community with more locking in function. The AI features can not be pattern sadly. how ever bamboo said they may open it up to the community but not to enterprise and businesses. so that way we do not get someone like apple, lg Samsung bring out there own versions that locks us in to there own filaments, software and app. like the current consumer inkjet print industry. look at what HP did with there cartridges.
I think this is the same route I'm going. Sure $250 discount sounds great. But I'd like to see the mass produced units in the wild first. And what the small sample pool that have them now could've missed. But I've got to stop visiting that KS page to see how many reward spots are left lol.
Thank you for the rant Joel. I think more people need to hear it! I am glad you showed the tech but talked about review units vs actual ones being shipped. Thank you for referencing the issues regarding pre-order vs KS as well. Great video sir!
Rememeber folks, The Kodama Obsidian had all its ducks in a row...untill it didn't and people lost their money. Michaell Husmann ran away with over a million bucks. Kickstarter, Never again.
I fully agree with the cautionary tale about kickstarters. But to be fair Tested has now made a test of this product 11 months later after this video's release and the company has moved on from the kickstarter phase and it has become a legit proper company now. They also appear to have been working really hard to fix all the issues people pointed out with the printers through firmware updates. It really looks like a trustworthy company now.
Joel thanks for the honest review. I've experienced Kickstarters that have varied from "Above and beyond fulfillment" to "Burned to a crisp" so I share your skeptical view of the platform. Now the Bambu looks extremely promising, the best comparison I can come up with (and one I've been waiting for a release) is the Prusa XL, these machines have a similar core design of multi filament printing with vastly different implementation of said design. Difference in MSRP price points of both machines is huge, with the Bambu being way lower. The possible expandability of the Bambu up to 12 color/material (or was it 16, I forgot already), puts the Prusa XL max of 5 to shame. Not going to ramble on to much, if the Bambu produces what they claim, the other big names in 3D printers are going to have to step up their game plans.
I, personally, would like to see it's capabilities in printing carbon fiber based filaments and flexible filaments such as the Filaflex line from Recreus (they make specialized tpu filaments that are solvent/fuel resistant). Especially since it's a proprietary hotend system.
I'm glad you got one to play with. I'm experiencing bad customer service from Bambu Lab so far. After 9 days of numerous emails and an opened service ticket I still get a run around "scripted" responses from Bambu Lab about my returned package since I wasn't home to sign for it. All I need to know was if they could redeliver so I can plan my works accordingly but can't seem to get an answer to it. I think they outsourced their customer service to a remote third parties so all I got were scripted answers to a simple question. Bad customer experience with Bambu Lab so far.
I’m honestly not sure that would be possible, at least not without really crappy results for any machine. The purge sequence doesn’t actually know where one filament starts and the other ends, so I think nailing the temp transition would be really tough. It’s worth a shot though
@@vaughnkhouri1364 I think its actually rather simple to do. There are filaments called purge filaments that flow at really wide temperature ranges. If you use that in between switches, it wont really matter, though it will take up a whole slot.
Order some gst3d filament - It's prone to clogging, horribly (like dirt pebbles horrible)... but it's some of the cheaper filament people buy in bulk. I wanna know how the nozzle holds up to clogs and how the process goes to change it. As well...how prone is it to clogging with bad filament, will you be making a custom nozzle in a short period of time, or never.
Why in the world would you possibly buy filament you know is junk? I personally buy cheap filament and have never ran into a clog with it. You need to find a better filament supplier.
I know the happy path with this printer will be to use the Bambu slicer, but…. I’m interested to see how difficult it is to slice with PrusaSlicer, and prepend the Gcode with all the Bambu Labs special sauce (LiDAR, flow analysis , etc.) at the beginning.
These guys at Bambu Lab are doing great things for home consumer 3d printing. This at the end of the day is a core xy with klipper implementation out of the box with a couple proprietary features. Most people don't know eletrotechnolochy and what a raspberry pi is, so they only hear about these things. Now give me a cut down x1, not enclosed, not closed sourced and more affordable in times of oncoming inflation. I dunno, if they pull this off they can come to the budget market and get them off i3 clones for another 5 years. Thanks Joel, for such a big channel your still straightforward which I appreciate!
I take my hat off for Sr., what a great review, honest and dynamic, haven’t check the status 6 months after but I’m in love with this machine but if not available that gives me a tremendous guide to choose another one accordingly, I wish your able to keep your good work forever.
Hey Joel.... As part of the name of the printer that you got there says carbon, I would love to see a carbon infused nylon and a PC print. We did support them in the Kickstarter and would love to hear your take on those use cases. Keep up the good work.
My Ecubmaker Toy DIY also poops out purge filament for multi-material printing, except it comes out of the right side. I do believe this method produces less waste than a purge tower, thus saving filament and money.
TEST THE PRINTERS CAPABILITIES! Print at LUDICOUS speed! Push this printer to it's limits and see where it fails. Also I would love to see how much waste filament you could reduce in the slicer. 3DPrintbeginner weighs out the purge tower and "chips" that are spit out the back. It's rather sad how much filament is wasted. Thanks for this video Joel. Love your stuff.
I feel like this printer is given more credit than it's due. It is impressive! But everything except the lidar has been done before. The X1's real triumph is to integrate a bunch of tech voron modders are already using in a way that feels seamless and user friendly, with no assembly. We've seen fast, good quality prints from enthusiests all over the community. And most of what is here in the bambu can be found in the modding communitty. It's essentially a well tuned custom voron out of the box. It has the wall mounted extra part cooling like 24/7 printing or Fail Faster, it has triple lead screws like the trident/ratrig. Most of the cloud functionality is right from klipper or octoprint. THe ams is the same as a pallette or any other similar mmu's that have been around for years. Input shaper has been around. Calibrating pressure advance has been around. To me that is the thing that is impressive is ease of use. Not the speed, not the leveling, not the print quality, or any of the other tech. The accessibility for all those things is the killer feature. They've taken power user features and made them apple-like in their implimentation. And if the kickstarter success is any indication, it's going to be a gold mine for them if they can really dleiver it. I gotta say, I'm totally unimpressed with the AMS. It is just a wastful approach to multi material, compared to toolchangers or IDEX. It seems like a really well made version of hat type of material changer, but the approach is just not worth it in 2022 IMO.
Idex to me is just the worst tech of them all. You get drag from oozing, alignment issues, far more maintenance problems and you are limited to 2 filaments. As for tool changers, I believe they are superior yes, but the price is significantly higher. I mean looking at the prusa xl as an example the printer is 3-4 times as much. As for saying the AMS is the same as pallette or other mmus, those arent very comparable at all. Pallette splices materials together. Some mmus retract filament alone. Some cut. This is most similar to the prusa mmu. Lastly, as for you saying it gets too much credit, I find that absurd. All the tech has existed before, but combined at this price with the usability? This is like saying an Iphone isnt a top end phone because individually it does all the same things as other phones.
Really sweet printers… but I refuse to do anything with kick starter. I decided to build a Voron 2.4 r2. I’m not counting out the x1… but I’ll have to wait till it’s released to consider it
Really appreciate the way you explained the Kickstarter and investment background. You're the only one that really highlighted some aspects of this launch that were important to discuss. I'm curious if this thing can handle... Slow printing... I use polypropylene, which is notorious for warping when printing large parts. It's also a pain when printing fast. The best I can do on an ender 3 s1 pro with my custom enclosure set to 35C is about 35mm/s with 250mm/s2 acceleration and a tiny tiny amount of coasting in cura to reduce stringing. No one TH-cam's about polypropylene, but it's a fantastic material. Wondering if you could try it out.
I'd really just be interested in it's reliability. Basically anyone these days can make a solid printer. Whether or not that printer is still printing reliably a year later is kind of what separates the good from the bad imo. And all machines will have wear parts and require maintenance so how does this printer differ in that regard? Are parts proprietary, will Bambu labs stand by their design 5 years from now, etc, etc.
Absolutely sold on this machine. I'm buying one as soon as I can. I've thoroughly customized my Ender 3 Pro but it will never be at this level. I have a small business selling 3d printed items so this printer will absolutely make my life a lot easier.
It would be awesome if we could purchase the ASM independent of the printer, and adapt it to the Prusa iMK3s ! The MMU2s is not reliable (IMO). Having the ASM is a very polished MMU alternative (if it were compatible!)
Great overview and for hitting some important points. A fair mount of text below (as I've become infamous for) I have had small chats with people, but have also written probably more in comments on livestreams about this printer more then any other. A fast printer is ideal. A high quality/accurate printer is a necessity. A feature rich printer is ideal. A user friendly printer is often overlooked (though I know I've been saying that for years to friends, and I know I'm not the only one who's said that). And a well priced for what it can do printer is a cherry on top. This printer meets all of those points. So is it the perfect Sunday or a fake? "Um, people print with it" yes, but auto makers build concept cars. Game devs produce game demos. Software engineers produce PoC (proof of concepts). They all work. They all can be used by people. Some even do demonstrative production runs in the thousands... But a key thing I've said many times now, and I doubt I'm the first (I'll settle for a tie :P), but have otherwise only heard from Joe (Breaks n' Makes) and Joel: we need to see what the actual shipping machines are like first before holding them up as a beacon. For all we know, they'll burn through their equity and KS money before they can ship to everyone... or it will be used up before they can do anything else, leaving it a one trick pony. If they pull it off, they'll set a new bar for what is expected of printers. I expect Prusa and a couple others will be able to match them. But many will not (and one person who I interact with in the know has already said there's a handful of printer manufacturers nervous with this machine). I like many things they've done and want them and others to go further. I do software and have increasingly grown to believing that many in the community have tried to hardware solution their way out of printer progression and resolving issues. Just look at how many assumed the front decorative bezel of the Ender 7 was important. More 2020s! More cross bars! Thicker steel! Linear rails! Heatsinks! You know... maybe what the printer needs is just better software. Better: maybe people need to stop looking down upon the relative few who work on the firmware, slicers, etc. for 3D printers. I wrote a ton in a comment on the VOD of Breaks n' Makes unboxing of the X1 and don't want to make one as big. I like where they're going, want to see things go further, agree with a friend who said "we need to move past standardized parts to build a printer and look at purpose built ones" though I feel there needs to be a certain amount of standardization (it's kinda why humanity become as industrious as it is: standardized interchangeable parts) but not on everything. Not everything needs to be a 2020 extrusion. They use smooth rods instead of linear rails (I have not found a single person say "would be better with linear rails" this whole time... even though that's said for so many other printers). If the deliver, it will be on my list of printers to mention when someone is looking for recommendations. But their are plenty of other outcomes (deliver but never improve, deliver but it exists as the sole machine they make, get purchased by some company and then buried and never seen again, not deliver in one or more areas, etc.) But if anything: make this feature set a floor. It has filament runnout, flex bed, and ABL so it meets my requirements for a modern printer... but what will be next if we start from here instead of another clone or single-slightly-improved feature on a known printer? Also, please stop using Kickstarter for pre-orders, I know they don't seem to care but a much larger proportion of their site is used as it should, so an outlier of the site is ignored by them.
How easy is it to make simple changes to? Replace Bowden tube, nozzles, level the bed , etc? With it being more expensive I don’t know if it will be as popular as the cheaper creality machines.
It sounds like an absolutely fabulaous machine.... but I have two main concerns: 1. It's packed with features, which on the surface might sound fantastic, but the more things it has, the more things can go wrong. I'd be concerned with reliability over the long term. 2. How are they able to offer a super advanced printer like this for such a low price? Printers from other manufacturers with less than half of what this one is offering cost 2x to 3x the price. Something doesn't add up. If they're losing money on the machine, they need to make it up somewhere else. My concern would be, where? Don't get me wrong, I want this to live up to the hype, but I'm remaining skeptical for time being until the Kickstarter is over and it's been time-tested.
I think what you are missing is that other printer companies make absolute bank in profits on every printer. Do you think an Ultimaker is anywhere near 5k in bom cost? Absolutely not. You can build one to the same spec for 1/10th the price. I reckon that this printer is selling at a close price to BOM initially to get their company name known before branching out more and increasing prices. If you look at Vorons for instance (where they dont have the benefit of economies of scale) they cost just about 2k to start, and have somewhat similar feature sets. If a normal person can get a voron for that price, you can imagine how a much more streamlined process with injection molded parts, economies of scale and being designed for manufacturability gets to this price. You also have to take into account that unlike some other companies, they have huge access to a far cheaper labour market. An average engineer in the US will make about 100k USD while one in China will make 40k. Thats a huge savings for the same grade of engineer. All in all though, I still think you are partially right, and the funkyness to do with the cloud platform nonsense has me thinking there is going to be a big gotcha on that front. There is no reason to necessitate the cloud.
Hey Joel. I've been really interested in this machine and have been straddling the line on buying one at pledge stage. One of the things I'm not seeing a lot about is the part cooling ability of the machine. Sure it seems SUPER quick but at what point does its speed out perform its part cooling ability? I'd love to see some prints that really push it's part cooling potential and probably by extension it's stringing
The only real information they have present for the cooling is that it has an 11W cooling fan, which is quite a bit compared to most cooling fans which are in the 1 to 3 watt range.
Between these big launches of the Anker and Bambu, and the open sourcing of Positron portable printer, I *really* am excited to see the pressure it puts on the old guard, including Creality and Prusa both. Shame on them both for thinking too small. And I have 2 Creality machines I am happy with, but I want the industry to be *doing better.* Make it possible for everyday people to actually print. Make it possible to print in multiple colors. Make it possible to print without any SD cards, ever. Make it faster. So, I will wait on the sidelines even tho this looks like an awesome machine. How will the established players respond? That's what I wanna see.
I agree but well... Prusa IS thinking big... Too big for me, unfortunately. Prusa XL is just way too much money to spend on a printer for me. I'm gonna do the same as you and wait to see how it all shapes the 3d printing world in the next 6-12 months (and if these kickstarters deliver).
For those who have the X1 + AMS combo… Does the LiDAR flow calibration perform a calibration on all materials loaded in the AMS module? Or does it only calibrate the flow for the “Primary/Default” filament?
Looks great over all, but the AI lydar aspect does seem useless if it doesn't auto fix whatever problems it detects or at least instruct the user on what to do. I hope that is something they plan to have worked out by delivery because otherwise that is just a lot of tech adding to the cost that doesn't actually function, and would make me suspect of any claim by the company. I definitely wouldn't back the kickstarter until I knew that was functioning in a useful way. I also get a bit nervous when a company has so many custom aspects for parts you might want to swap out later. A custom nozzle makes me think that you are locked in to whatever nozzles they offer. If so, what do you do if you want a larger or smaller nozzle aperture than they offer? Thanks for another great video Joel and team. High-5!
Now rip open the case and let's see what's driving it. Is it a raspberry pi? SKR 1.4 board? A4988 steppers? 32 bit processors? Is the wiring tinned and crimped or using proper ferrule connections? Does it have thermal runaway protection?
I'm kind of curious about how detailed figures would look with this printer. Such as anime figures etc. Also I'm not sure if creating model kits would be possible with this
They have customized nozzles. Let's hope I can buy them later. How different they are ? I did back the Kickstarter already. Its a game you can win or loose ...
You can buy the nozzle separately, and you can buy the whole extruder assembly. The nozzle is probably patent protected, but they claim that they'll open source all their patents if the company dies - which means that people would start making third party nozzles.
So you don't like Kickstarter then Joel? agree though, it kinda sucks they went this route but also understandable to gain momentum. Great review, I backed it and I'm looking forward to it arriving in July/August/Never..... let's stay positive!
I will wait until Kickstarter is over and the software is sorted all because I got burned many times by Kickstarter in the past. Great review though, thank you.
Great review, and great rant about Kickstarter! I did back the X1 Carbon Combo, first it does seem that Bambu Labs does have their ducks in a row. Plus there is no 3D Printer like this for the prosumer market for this price, with these features. Oh! I think we are tied for printed parts for the project. However, my parts were done on 3 printers over two days in comparison.
Thanks for the overview and I'm absolutely with you, this isn't a real Kickstarter and we could expect getting this beautiful beasts. :-D What I am interested in, they say the Carbon version with the hardened steel nozzle is ideal for printing PA and PC, so what about that? And finally i think the hardware specs are phenomenal for this price, let's hope they get the Software to a similar level.
Sad IVI didn't follow through. I know they were having some issues before Covid, however I think the pandemic was the final blow. Sad because we invested in two machines. :( We won't be doing kickstarter again.
great video, thanks for the warnings about the risk of kickstarters. sad that i don´t have the budget for this kickstarter, but looking forward for the review of production units when the kickstarter starts shipping, depending on those videos, more info and maybe some repair parts cost info, it is a good option for a miltifilament printer.
Also remember that kickstarter edition will be version 1, whereas whatever little changes they'd find once it's gone out to the users, will likely not be changed until like version 3 or 4. That being said, that's a good price for what looks like an actual plug-and-play printer. Especially if you get the AMS version.
I'm excited by this machine, seems like it's a genuine move forward after so many low end machine copy's and so many higher end machines like voron. With this in the middle. Just a shame about lack of linear rails. But no way I'm backing kickstarter with that much money, will give it a few months and see what production reviews are like as well as software development.
Your so right, also the pledge doesn't include shipping which is basically what I am "saving" (I am guessing) which means I end up playing the retail price... Thus, I'll just wait a bit longer but it does look like a good printer!
I have a 3D printer that in relatively unheard of, (based on my research). I was wondering if for a 3D printer review you could go over the UP mini 2 by Tiertime.
huh ... I would image you are close by if not right at the printer during the first print layer ... ? ? ? ... do people typically bail to work seconds after they've started a print? ...
I have some interest on this new printer and almost bought it at kickstarter, but I decided to wait a bit and wait for the second generation of bambulab, thinking that some problems will occur with this new one yet... Your review was really good, I'm now waiting also for the new prusa xl reviews to decide if im going ahead with prusa or wait for the next too...
They couldn't possibly have sent it to that many people. I for one have not received one yet, never mind the fact that I'm not a TH-cam sensation and would probably not do any type of review of the product. I think this is one of the more impressive looking consumer level printers I've seen in a while. Loved the warning about how the Kickstarter funding works.
I stop buying stuff from kickstarter, I never got my stuff. I bought this cause it was a great product , but I used my Amex platinum card. In case it doesn’t come. They will refund my money 😉👍🏽. I appreciate the input on it, it was because of you I saw this the first time.
This printer really does get me excited. As someone that has tried out two enders printers 3 v2 and 5 plus (both of which I returned after many struggles more than likely on me), this looks like my dream printer. The main goal I have for printing is cosplay so I hope the build space can really be what I need for printing helmets in as few pieces as possible. While features such as multiple materials and colors seem nice it also really doesn't seem like a big reason for me to buy the printer. While I won't pledge for it I will 100% be keeping and saving for after the full release happens.
I'm very interested but not ready for a new printer myself yet, everything about this is a Yes from me and the right direction and will look for competitors or next versions in future when I'm ready to move up.
My biggest concern is with the (almost) smallest part. Proprietary nozzles may make it difficult to keep in operation if the company doesn't continue to produce them for the life span of the printer.
Hey Joel, Very interesting take on the matter. I have a question for you: can you check and confirm the maximum volumetric flow rate of the Carbon X1? Speed and acceleration are incredible but I'm also interested to know the VFR. Thank you.
This is the first time Ive kickstarted. Im the type of guy who has a modded to hell printer that I spent more than the price of the printer upgrading, and this has literally every feature I could want apart from repairability and app free network control. I just cant resist the level of ease of use. The lidar and filament changing combined with an all metal hotend are what really won me over. Even if it costs 200 dollars to replace the hotend its still worth it. I just cant believe someone finally cracked the code and its only 2000 dollars canadian. Just insane value. Just think, I alost bought the prusa corexy. I know the build volume here isnt amazing, but its a tradeoff Ill make for all the other features this has.
3 thoughts in my head right now: 1) I think at this point, the only way a 3d printer can succeed on Kickstarter is if it has money behind it before the KS starts. And yet, KS remains a great platform for generating interest... and an acceptable platform for handling client information and payments if a company doesn't have their own webstore. I figure that's a good enough reason for Bambu to have used KS for the initial launch. (Also, they might be really leaning into debt financing right now and using the KS income to quickly bridge into profitability.) 2) I've backed this but without the AMS for now. I'm considering picking up an AMS down the road, though, and one things I'd really, really like to know is if it can be used for runout protection. That is, can you set it up so that when one spool runs out the AMS just drops in the next? 3) You're sure getting a lot of endings, I feel like I'm watching Lord of the Rings. :D :D Thanks for being awesome! I enjoy your work a lot!
How is it with ABS? does it confirm that all that is really needed for quality, trouble free prints is an enclosed build chamber and even bed heating, rather than requiring a heated chamber?
Hey Joel - I was working with a client that was 3D printing parts for a prototype. He's got 3 Prusa machines (not sure of the model), and I said, by the way, are you familiar with the TH-camr 3D Printing Nerd? he said, "Oh yeah, he's like the best-known 3D printing TH-camr!" Yer a star, and I can say - "I know him!" good on ya!
You need to buy their nozzle hot end combo ( Expensive to change both often) also limits you to not use CHT nozzles etc. Their own consumable built plate (sticker) Software has amazing features but also restricts it. Will they keep up with prusa and Cura? Unlikely but I'm sure their do some innovations of their own. AMS only fits some filaments. Many risks, but i sure hope they do a kick ass job !
How does it hold up to solvable filaments? or mixing different filament types, its single nozzle right so all 4 filaments have to have the same temp i guess?
That’s a hard decision. Pull out of the Prusa XL or just dial down it’s print heads to easily finance the kickstarter and get both of them. I probably won’t decide about my XL pre order until I’ve send the X1 through its paces.
Would love to buy one but the price point is a bit high for me (shipping OUCH) :( I also am a little bit worried about all the proprietary stuff and the "what if" factor of it failing. I have been told they would open source everything if the company goes under buuuuuttttttttttt that is kind of like kickstarter saying, yea you will definitely get this product. They also did not put a price on the AMS system when I asked, so to expand to all the units may be pretty expensive. Why don't they have a full blown machine with all the AMS in the kickstarter??????? Great machine that I would totally buy to play with if I had the extra funds to set on fire but alas, nobody wants to buy me one, the wife said "you already have a printer" and the bills say LOL you just sit there and pay us! Anyway it was a nice look at the machine and I do appreciate your views and totally agree about kickstarter being used for marketing rather than how it was intended to be used. I guess one good point is with the marketing aspect you don't have to wait years for a product.....trying to find the good in everything. I would like to see something HUGE printed that takes up a lot of the volume, like a helmet and also something like a multi-piece sword with the blade segments standing on end (Just thought of another as typing that would be those collapsing swords from 3dprintingworld which are free). Curious to see how those small footprints and high Z would work on the printer.
It looks great, seems to work great but the big fun at 3D printing for me is the tinkering on the machine. Use different nozzles, beds, 2kg spools. But I have to say it looks great! I hope the support and parts availability is going to be good otherwise i am afraid you can pick this up within half a years for half of the retail price or even lower.
even a year later at half the price the Eearly bird X1 carbon & AMS will still be cheaper. Also thye have stated that the with be other nozzle module to use from 0.2, 0.4 & 0.8. the heads are all hardened steals. how ever you canot use third part nozzles. i wish i was able to put a diamondback 0.6 nozzle on it for the CF prints . also the print head is an all metal print head nozzle and heat breaks. The group wish they can provide spare parts for purchase but waiting to see what will be available.
I love your videos and always come back to your videos when i'm thinking about purchasing a new printer and thats what i'm doing now, however i just wanted to put this out there since i'm here that according to Bambu Lab's blog all kickstarter orders have been shipped and they've started to ship their pre-orders from their website :D
Bambu has done a lot of things right. They took the best from the 3D printing community and got serious in developing a consumer unit. I have a Voron 2.4 and I like it because I love to tinker on the machine BUT I do need a reliable machine, day in day out to print stuff. So... and for this price? Well, adios to 3/4 of the other manufacturers out there who didn't take this industry seriously. This will definitely expand the printing community.
I appreciate the honest perspective. Thank you. I would like to see an Eiffel Tower that maximizes the Z Height to see what happens with the speed and accuracy. I did back the KickStarter.
+1 for Eiffel Tower! Haven't seen a lot of super fine prints, with tricky stringing... Please test its capability!
@@karoo_bushman6880 right? Lots of printers can do fast. Lots of printers can do decent quality on challenging prints, but sloooow. Not many printers can do fast & challenging prints.
As you know, I have one and also backed the Kickstarter. I think it's gonna be a game changer in our world! Manufacturers are going to have to start changing and Maybe we will stop seeing the same old printer over and over. Maybe it will make them take the time to develop something new, like Bambu Lab did!
I agree with you. I see Anker Maker is similar (I backed that one) where the quality, capability, and color control are truly at a new level. Last year, the AnyCubic Vyper got a lot of attention through setup, calibration, and control. This year, it seems like Babu and Anker Maker are driving us to a new level. What will next year bring?
@@matthewadavid you're giving the Anker maker a little too much credit there
@@matthewadavid Probably made the right choice there. Anker is a known entity for sure.
@@agliacci I don't know. Even without it's "AI" which might never come, it had a lot of improvements that other more budget friendly manus have struggled to hit. Even simple things like USB cables for connections, and the print speed was impressive. They also have $1.1 billion in net worth, so support and future enhancements are more than likely down the road. If bambu folds in 6 months, good luck fixing any of their proprietary pieces.
@@agliacci It's a well designed & polished 3d printer in comparison to the bed slinger clones that are churned out on a daily basis these days. I would say that Anker have always weighed more towards marketing/branding than engineering in most of their products. Bambu lab looks to be much more innovative from a design & engineering standpoint and the end result is pretty nice indeed. The X1 is definitely "disruptive" in this space with it's feature set and value. This, to me, is pretty much like the Apple Mac's first appearance in the home computer scene. Interesting times ahead!
I'm reminded of Angus' words about 3D printing, in that he believes that "plug and play" is the key to this hobby going mainstream. Tinkering, adjusting, calibrating, and scraping failed prints off the bed more often than happily removing completed prints is what is keeping this hobby from "breaking through." All the Kickstarter warnings are valid, but from what I've seen of this machine (and Anker's), the "plug and play" simplicity of them are really huge steps in the right direction.
As someone who backed this campaign, I would love to see how it handles a multi-material print of something like the Dead Man's Tale rifle from Destiny 2, or a complicated mech at a large-ish scale like something from Gundam, Armored Core, or Code Geass.
I hope you are right and get a printer.
@Ronin Paterson Thingy-ma-bob collecting is a completely valid use of 3d printing. Let's not gate-keep. This hobby is already niche enough without walling off large segments of users.
@Ronin Paterson It could also be making parts for other hobbies. Some of us like 3d printing, but not necessarily for the sake of 3d printing.
@Ronin Paterson Well I love 3D Printing as a technology but I don't see my printers as toys but as tools. I love 3D printing because it has given me the opportunity of bringing my ideas and designs to live without the need of going to a machine shop. I don't hate fixing them or upgrading them if needed but I'd rather have them ready to print. That's the reason I use Prusa printers and not Chinese printers. Reliability is very important to me, don't have time to be playing with wires and code to get the printer to do its job properly.
@Ronin Paterson for me, the 'hobby' isn't 3D printing itself, the 'hobby' is using the 3D printer as a tool to print what I need.
I use 3D printing to prototype structural parts or parts I use in other things I'm building. That's where my enjoyment comes from, not from having to tweak printer settings, or monitor and correct filament changes to get a complete print.
I want to design parts and have the printer print them reliably and without any hassle.
I think we need to see how the color purging compares to other machines. Efficiency of this method is compared to purge blocks. Also that purge poop looks like it could be used as packing peanuts!
JOEL WAS YELLING! I appreciate both your honesty and enthusiasm. I'm new to everything 3D Printing, and this is the first Kickstarter launch for a 3D Printer I have experienced (10,000 tech ones in the past, of course).
So should he change his name from Joel Telling to Joel Yelling? 🤔
You know, some people are told "This is a high risk investment" and hear it as a challenge.
Joel, I pledged but keep considering pulling out. I have a very similar view on Kickstarter as what you presented. As to what I'd like to know more about, mixed material would be great? Using PETG as PLA supports (or visa versa), using TPU as the outer skin of a PETG model (since PETG and TPU should bond). These are the things that interest me. I am a bit torn between this and a Prusa XL
Mixing TPU and PETG sounds really interesting. I'd be interested in seeing that too.
TPU is not rated to feed in the AMS, it is recommended to only feed tpu by bypassing the ams and loading it on the back of the machine.
@@Xploit66 Oh, that's disappointing and I hadn't noticed that. Good catch.
@@GarethLewin It might still take it as an input if you can have a roll on the back and the ams at the same time, but that I don't know.
@@Xploit66 But it can't retract it the same way the AMS does, so I wonder how mmu functions will work in that case.
Glad to see this machine covering new ground!
I'd love to see Joel test how far we can reduce the purge waste while maintaining decent color separation. It's great that the filament purged is configurable. But if the default values are already already close to optimal, that would be important to know. Otherwise some may have unreasonable expectations about how much they can reduce that purge waste.
And lastly, can waste be reduced further through purge-to-model techniques where a second model is used as a purge block?
Just an idea. Maybe so heavy down cooling at the end of each filament switch?
I used to back a lot of Kickstarter projects (well over 100 in all). These days, I back one or two a year and not the expensive ones. Here are the ways things can turn out:
1. You can lose your money and nothing gets delivered. This is real. It has happened to me multiple times. Sometimes the person running the project will contact their backers and apologize for failing. Other times they just go silent and you never hear from them again.
2. You get a product that is clearly a beta test product and not really ready for prime time.
3. You get a product that is OK, but the company eventually fails or changes business focus. All vendor support ends.
4. The Kickstarter project is a complete success and you receive a good product. The company goes on the build version 2 of the product and sell it to consumers at large. You are stuck with version 1 while everyone else has the new and improved version.
In most instances, it is better to wait for the product to hit the regular consumer market.
Awesome video. Can you Print something at the highest quality at normal printer speed and compare it to your best printer. Example being Prusa vs X1?
Total thanks!! for speaking so clearly about the good, the not so good, and the risks. This is another way to express the respect you have for your passion, your work and your audience.
I backed it, EB carbon combo #159
I know it can be fast, but I would love to see what the max quality could be if you take your time with the slicer. And vasemode would be nice, too!
Kindly let us give us an update: Did you get your kit? What are you thoughts on this printer/company?
@@goostador Yeah I got it and I love it! Ordered quite a lot of filaments and accessories too, everything is fine 😄
I want to point out that KickStarter has actually updated how it handles it's "fundraisers". You actually AREN'T charged until the kickstarter meets the funding goal and it's actually ended. So, if they cancel then you're still fine because they shouldn't have charged you at all. Just wanted to make sure people were aware of this incase they were nervous about backing the KickStarter for the printer! :P
That lidar could be interesting if they open up the software access.. analysis of dimensions, etc?
I think the lidar should be closed to businesses and enterprise but open to the community. I think this is the one unique feature that might give them the major advancement over others, and we do no want other companies entering the space with it and ruining the community with more locking in function. The AI features can not be pattern sadly.
how ever bamboo said they may open it up to the community but not to enterprise and businesses. so that way we do not get someone like apple, lg Samsung bring out there own versions that locks us in to there own filaments, software and app. like the current consumer inkjet print industry. look at what HP did with there cartridges.
Thank you, I am happy to wait to buy it the normal way even if a bit more expensive
I think this is the same route I'm going. Sure $250 discount sounds great. But I'd like to see the mass produced units in the wild first. And what the small sample pool that have them now could've missed. But I've got to stop visiting that KS page to see how many reward spots are left lol.
Thank you for the rant Joel. I think more people need to hear it! I am glad you showed the tech but talked about review units vs actual ones being shipped. Thank you for referencing the issues regarding pre-order vs KS as well. Great video sir!
Rememeber folks, The Kodama Obsidian had all its ducks in a row...untill it didn't and people lost their money. Michaell Husmann ran away with over a million bucks. Kickstarter, Never again.
HEY I'm from the future. This printer is amazing! It was worth backing.
Love the honesty and KS warnings! All the other videos I’ve seen of this printer are like omg this is amazing back it no matter what!
Yeah cause Bambu bought them by giving them a free machine. Those people are just their b*tches
I fully agree with the cautionary tale about kickstarters. But to be fair Tested has now made a test of this product 11 months later after this video's release and the company has moved on from the kickstarter phase and it has become a legit proper company now. They also appear to have been working really hard to fix all the issues people pointed out with the printers through firmware updates. It really looks like a trustworthy company now.
Agree with you. They are a successful Kickstarter story.
Joel thanks for the honest review. I've experienced Kickstarters that have varied from "Above and beyond fulfillment" to "Burned to a crisp" so I share your skeptical view of the platform. Now the Bambu looks extremely promising, the best comparison I can come up with (and one I've been waiting for a release) is the Prusa XL, these machines have a similar core design of multi filament printing with vastly different implementation of said design. Difference in MSRP price points of both machines is huge, with the Bambu being way lower. The possible expandability of the Bambu up to 12 color/material (or was it 16, I forgot already), puts the Prusa XL max of 5 to shame. Not going to ramble on to much, if the Bambu produces what they claim, the other big names in 3D printers are going to have to step up their game plans.
I, personally, would like to see it's capabilities in printing carbon fiber based filaments and flexible filaments such as the Filaflex line from Recreus (they make specialized tpu filaments that are solvent/fuel resistant). Especially since it's a proprietary hotend system.
So glad Joel continues to carry the 3D Printing Torch of Interest, others have fallen off, Joel still shows the day 1 passion 🤙👍
It’s amazing to see where Bambu is now! Literally one of the best printers money can buy and absolutely crushing it in the market
*_I believe the Bambu Lab 3D printer will be the Tesla of 3D printers. It will get a bunch of 3D makers to up their game quickly or get left behind._*
I hope so, fdm printers are stagnating
lol aim higher than Tesla
@@zergslayer69 *Agree. They only do small incremental improvements here or there. Usually, nothing to write home about.*
Would be nice to see every type of filament testedon this.ABS ,TPU included.
Well done.
thank you for an honest comment on this. I came from another site that felt they were selling the product.
I'm glad you got one to play with. I'm experiencing bad customer service from Bambu Lab so far. After 9 days of numerous emails and an opened service ticket I still get a run around "scripted" responses from Bambu Lab about my returned package since I wasn't home to sign for it. All I need to know was if they could redeliver so I can plan my works accordingly but can't seem to get an answer to it. I think they outsourced their customer service to a remote third parties so all I got were scripted answers to a simple question. Bad customer experience with Bambu Lab so far.
I would love to see not just multi PLA but PLA/TPU/PVA/Nylon or w/e combo you can push it to do. That is where the value will be found for me.
I agree. I would like to see high temp and exotic filaments printed on it.
I’m honestly not sure that would be possible, at least not without really crappy results for any machine. The purge sequence doesn’t actually know where one filament starts and the other ends, so I think nailing the temp transition would be really tough. It’s worth a shot though
@@vaughnkhouri1364 I think its actually rather simple to do. There are filaments called purge filaments that flow at really wide temperature ranges. If you use that in between switches, it wont really matter, though it will take up a whole slot.
@@BeefIngot That’s interesting! I didn’t know of such a thing. Would be cool to give it a tru
I'd love to see TPU prints with this (I understand already that you can't use the AMS for this material)!
I’m super curious. I haven’t seen anyone print a model that required supports yet. How does it do with manual supports and tree supports?
Order some gst3d filament - It's prone to clogging, horribly (like dirt pebbles horrible)... but it's some of the cheaper filament people buy in bulk. I wanna know how the nozzle holds up to clogs and how the process goes to change it. As well...how prone is it to clogging with bad filament, will you be making a custom nozzle in a short period of time, or never.
Why in the world would you possibly buy filament you know is junk?
I personally buy cheap filament and have never ran into a clog with it. You need to find a better filament supplier.
Would love to see how the Lion model from years ago would look being printed on something so fast. 🤔🤔🤔
I know the happy path with this printer will be to use the Bambu slicer, but…. I’m interested to see how difficult it is to slice with PrusaSlicer, and prepend the Gcode with all the Bambu Labs special sauce (LiDAR, flow analysis , etc.) at the beginning.
These guys at Bambu Lab are doing great things for home consumer 3d printing. This at the end of the day is a core xy with klipper implementation out of the box with a couple proprietary features. Most people don't know eletrotechnolochy and what a raspberry pi is, so they only hear about these things. Now give me a cut down x1, not enclosed, not closed sourced and more affordable in times of oncoming inflation. I dunno, if they pull this off they can come to the budget market and get them off i3 clones for another 5 years. Thanks Joel, for such a big channel your still straightforward which I appreciate!
I take my hat off for Sr., what a great review, honest and dynamic, haven’t check the status 6 months after but I’m in love with this machine but if not available that gives me a tremendous guide to choose another one accordingly, I wish your able to keep your good work forever.
Looks great, I want one. Let me know when they're on Amazon, I refuse to do business on Kickstart
Hey Joel.... As part of the name of the printer that you got there says carbon, I would love to see a carbon infused nylon and a PC print. We did support them in the Kickstarter and would love to hear your take on those use cases. Keep up the good work.
This printer is going to change the game!
I believe you are right on that! They are still dialing in the software and apps. But it's been awesome since I have had it the past couple weeks!
My Ecubmaker Toy DIY also poops out purge filament for multi-material printing, except it comes out of the right side. I do believe this method produces less waste than a purge tower, thus saving filament and money.
i purchased this bad boy the other day :) iam super hyped! also purchased the textured PEI plate for the printer since it won't come in the box.
TEST THE PRINTERS CAPABILITIES! Print at LUDICOUS speed! Push this printer to it's limits and see where it fails. Also I would love to see how much waste filament you could reduce in the slicer. 3DPrintbeginner weighs out the purge tower and "chips" that are spit out the back. It's rather sad how much filament is wasted.
Thanks for this video Joel. Love your stuff.
I feel like this printer is given more credit than it's due. It is impressive! But everything except the lidar has been done before. The X1's real triumph is to integrate a bunch of tech voron modders are already using in a way that feels seamless and user friendly, with no assembly.
We've seen fast, good quality prints from enthusiests all over the community. And most of what is here in the bambu can be found in the modding communitty. It's essentially a well tuned custom voron out of the box. It has the wall mounted extra part cooling like 24/7 printing or Fail Faster, it has triple lead screws like the trident/ratrig. Most of the cloud functionality is right from klipper or octoprint. THe ams is the same as a pallette or any other similar mmu's that have been around for years. Input shaper has been around. Calibrating pressure advance has been around.
To me that is the thing that is impressive is ease of use. Not the speed, not the leveling, not the print quality, or any of the other tech. The accessibility for all those things is the killer feature. They've taken power user features and made them apple-like in their implimentation. And if the kickstarter success is any indication, it's going to be a gold mine for them if they can really dleiver it.
I gotta say, I'm totally unimpressed with the AMS. It is just a wastful approach to multi material, compared to toolchangers or IDEX. It seems like a really well made version of hat type of material changer, but the approach is just not worth it in 2022 IMO.
Idex to me is just the worst tech of them all. You get drag from oozing, alignment issues, far more maintenance problems and you are limited to 2 filaments.
As for tool changers, I believe they are superior yes, but the price is significantly higher. I mean looking at the prusa xl as an example the printer is 3-4 times as much.
As for saying the AMS is the same as pallette or other mmus, those arent very comparable at all. Pallette splices materials together. Some mmus retract filament alone. Some cut.
This is most similar to the prusa mmu.
Lastly, as for you saying it gets too much credit, I find that absurd. All the tech has existed before, but combined at this price with the usability?
This is like saying an Iphone isnt a top end phone because individually it does all the same things as other phones.
Really sweet printers… but I refuse to do anything with kick starter. I decided to build a Voron 2.4 r2.
I’m not counting out the x1… but I’ll have to wait till it’s released to consider it
Really appreciate the way you explained the Kickstarter and investment background. You're the only one that really highlighted some aspects of this launch that were important to discuss. I'm curious if this thing can handle... Slow printing... I use polypropylene, which is notorious for warping when printing large parts. It's also a pain when printing fast. The best I can do on an ender 3 s1 pro with my custom enclosure set to 35C is about 35mm/s with 250mm/s2 acceleration and a tiny tiny amount of coasting in cura to reduce stringing. No one TH-cam's about polypropylene, but it's a fantastic material. Wondering if you could try it out.
the print volume is heated, and it seems you are able to change how fast it prints in the slicer
Considering most of the engineers and such are project leads from DJI I would have a high confidence in all maters of this printer.
I'd really just be interested in it's reliability. Basically anyone these days can make a solid printer. Whether or not that printer is still printing reliably a year later is kind of what separates the good from the bad imo. And all machines will have wear parts and require maintenance so how does this printer differ in that regard? Are parts proprietary, will Bambu labs stand by their design 5 years from now, etc, etc.
Absolutely sold on this machine. I'm buying one as soon as I can. I've thoroughly customized my Ender 3 Pro but it will never be at this level. I have a small business selling 3d printed items so this printer will absolutely make my life a lot easier.
These are the types of video that build your integrity and trust in the community while producing very good and entertaining content! Thank you!
It would be awesome if we could purchase the ASM independent of the printer, and adapt it to the Prusa iMK3s ! The MMU2s is not reliable (IMO). Having the ASM is a very polished MMU alternative (if it were compatible!)
That could be a very real possibility since the slicer that Bambu is using their version of Super slicer.
possible but will need some mods for it to work the AMS will be available independently but not now
Love your take Joel. I only justified my pledge as it’s work. If they don’t deliver? I can make a video about it. If they do? Oh boyyyyyy👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Great overview and for hitting some important points. A fair mount of text below (as I've become infamous for)
I have had small chats with people, but have also written probably more in comments on livestreams about this printer more then any other. A fast printer is ideal. A high quality/accurate printer is a necessity. A feature rich printer is ideal. A user friendly printer is often overlooked (though I know I've been saying that for years to friends, and I know I'm not the only one who's said that). And a well priced for what it can do printer is a cherry on top.
This printer meets all of those points. So is it the perfect Sunday or a fake? "Um, people print with it" yes, but auto makers build concept cars. Game devs produce game demos. Software engineers produce PoC (proof of concepts). They all work. They all can be used by people. Some even do demonstrative production runs in the thousands...
But a key thing I've said many times now, and I doubt I'm the first (I'll settle for a tie :P), but have otherwise only heard from Joe (Breaks n' Makes) and Joel: we need to see what the actual shipping machines are like first before holding them up as a beacon. For all we know, they'll burn through their equity and KS money before they can ship to everyone... or it will be used up before they can do anything else, leaving it a one trick pony. If they pull it off, they'll set a new bar for what is expected of printers. I expect Prusa and a couple others will be able to match them. But many will not (and one person who I interact with in the know has already said there's a handful of printer manufacturers nervous with this machine).
I like many things they've done and want them and others to go further. I do software and have increasingly grown to believing that many in the community have tried to hardware solution their way out of printer progression and resolving issues. Just look at how many assumed the front decorative bezel of the Ender 7 was important. More 2020s! More cross bars! Thicker steel! Linear rails! Heatsinks! You know... maybe what the printer needs is just better software. Better: maybe people need to stop looking down upon the relative few who work on the firmware, slicers, etc. for 3D printers.
I wrote a ton in a comment on the VOD of Breaks n' Makes unboxing of the X1 and don't want to make one as big. I like where they're going, want to see things go further, agree with a friend who said "we need to move past standardized parts to build a printer and look at purpose built ones" though I feel there needs to be a certain amount of standardization (it's kinda why humanity become as industrious as it is: standardized interchangeable parts) but not on everything. Not everything needs to be a 2020 extrusion. They use smooth rods instead of linear rails (I have not found a single person say "would be better with linear rails" this whole time... even though that's said for so many other printers).
If the deliver, it will be on my list of printers to mention when someone is looking for recommendations. But their are plenty of other outcomes (deliver but never improve, deliver but it exists as the sole machine they make, get purchased by some company and then buried and never seen again, not deliver in one or more areas, etc.)
But if anything: make this feature set a floor. It has filament runnout, flex bed, and ABL so it meets my requirements for a modern printer... but what will be next if we start from here instead of another clone or single-slightly-improved feature on a known printer? Also, please stop using Kickstarter for pre-orders, I know they don't seem to care but a much larger proportion of their site is used as it should, so an outlier of the site is ignored by them.
On one hand, wow! I want one. On the other hand, now I really have my work cut out for me. Truly impressive.
How easy is it to make simple changes to? Replace Bowden tube, nozzles, level the bed , etc? With it being more expensive I don’t know if it will be as popular as the cheaper creality machines.
It sounds like an absolutely fabulaous machine.... but I have two main concerns:
1. It's packed with features, which on the surface might sound fantastic, but the more things it has, the more things can go wrong. I'd be concerned with reliability over the long term.
2. How are they able to offer a super advanced printer like this for such a low price? Printers from other manufacturers with less than half of what this one is offering cost 2x to 3x the price. Something doesn't add up. If they're losing money on the machine, they need to make it up somewhere else. My concern would be, where?
Don't get me wrong, I want this to live up to the hype, but I'm remaining skeptical for time being until the Kickstarter is over and it's been time-tested.
I think what you are missing is that other printer companies make absolute bank in profits on every printer. Do you think an Ultimaker is anywhere near 5k in bom cost?
Absolutely not. You can build one to the same spec for 1/10th the price.
I reckon that this printer is selling at a close price to BOM initially to get their company name known before branching out more and increasing prices.
If you look at Vorons for instance (where they dont have the benefit of economies of scale) they cost just about 2k to start, and have somewhat similar feature sets.
If a normal person can get a voron for that price, you can imagine how a much more streamlined process with injection molded parts, economies of scale and being designed for manufacturability gets to this price.
You also have to take into account that unlike some other companies, they have huge access to a far cheaper labour market.
An average engineer in the US will make about 100k USD while one in China will make 40k. Thats a huge savings for the same grade of engineer.
All in all though, I still think you are partially right, and the funkyness to do with the cloud platform nonsense has me thinking there is going to be a big gotcha on that front. There is no reason to necessitate the cloud.
Hey Joel. I've been really interested in this machine and have been straddling the line on buying one at pledge stage. One of the things I'm not seeing a lot about is the part cooling ability of the machine. Sure it seems SUPER quick but at what point does its speed out perform its part cooling ability?
I'd love to see some prints that really push it's part cooling potential and probably by extension it's stringing
I mean it’s printing PLA at 250mm/s.. I don’t think it gets much better than that as far as the amount of cooling required.
The only real information they have present for the cooling is that it has an 11W cooling fan, which is quite a bit compared to most cooling fans which are in the 1 to 3 watt range.
@@colinmetzger6755 There is cooling on the hotend and also a blade cooler on the side blowing air across the bed.
Between these big launches of the Anker and Bambu, and the open sourcing of Positron portable printer, I *really* am excited to see the pressure it puts on the old guard, including Creality and Prusa both. Shame on them both for thinking too small. And I have 2 Creality machines I am happy with, but I want the industry to be *doing better.* Make it possible for everyday people to actually print. Make it possible to print in multiple colors. Make it possible to print without any SD cards, ever. Make it faster.
So, I will wait on the sidelines even tho this looks like an awesome machine.
How will the established players respond? That's what I wanna see.
I agree but well... Prusa IS thinking big... Too big for me, unfortunately. Prusa XL is just way too much money to spend on a printer for me.
I'm gonna do the same as you and wait to see how it all shapes the 3d printing world in the next 6-12 months (and if these kickstarters deliver).
For those who have the X1 + AMS combo… Does the LiDAR flow calibration perform a calibration on all materials loaded in the AMS module? Or does it only calibrate the flow for the “Primary/Default” filament?
Only the first material it uses - not all of them.
Looks great over all, but the AI lydar aspect does seem useless if it doesn't auto fix whatever problems it detects or at least instruct the user on what to do. I hope that is something they plan to have worked out by delivery because otherwise that is just a lot of tech adding to the cost that doesn't actually function, and would make me suspect of any claim by the company.
I definitely wouldn't back the kickstarter until I knew that was functioning in a useful way.
I also get a bit nervous when a company has so many custom aspects for parts you might want to swap out later. A custom nozzle makes me think that you are locked in to whatever nozzles they offer. If so, what do you do if you want a larger or smaller nozzle aperture than they offer?
Thanks for another great video Joel and team. High-5!
Now rip open the case and let's see what's driving it. Is it a raspberry pi? SKR 1.4 board? A4988 steppers? 32 bit processors? Is the wiring tinned and crimped or using proper ferrule connections? Does it have thermal runaway protection?
I'm kind of curious about how detailed figures would look with this printer. Such as anime figures etc. Also I'm not sure if creating model kits would be possible with this
They have customized nozzles. Let's hope I can buy them later. How different they are ? I did back the Kickstarter already. Its a game you can win or loose ...
You can buy the nozzle separately, and you can buy the whole extruder assembly.
The nozzle is probably patent protected, but they claim that they'll open source all their patents if the company dies - which means that people would start making third party nozzles.
So you don't like Kickstarter then Joel? agree though, it kinda sucks they went this route but also understandable to gain momentum. Great review, I backed it and I'm looking forward to it arriving in July/August/Never..... let's stay positive!
Finally! Was waiting for this video!
i'd like to see some high-temp prints, since the Carbon variant is supposed to be capable
I will wait until Kickstarter is over and the software is sorted all because I got burned many times by Kickstarter in the past. Great review though, thank you.
I backed the kickstarter for the Carbon with AMS. Looks like it will do more than my RatRig for about half the price.
I wouldnt say more, but it is a pretty nice printer.
You made the right choice. Now you can spend more time printing than tinkering with what should be a tool at the end of the day.
@@morbus5726 Multi-material is something I don’t have with the RatRig so I’d say that counts as more.
@@deeeirl a Rat rig requires constant tinkering??!
@@REDxFROG All Diy 3D printers do! Even off the shelf printers (i.e Enders, CRs..) require setup, calibration & tinkering.
Great review, and great rant about Kickstarter! I did back the X1 Carbon Combo, first it does seem that Bambu Labs does have their ducks in a row. Plus there is no 3D Printer like this for the prosumer market for this price, with these features. Oh! I think we are tied for printed parts for the project. However, my parts were done on 3 printers over two days in comparison.
Thanks for the overview and I'm absolutely with you, this isn't a real Kickstarter and we could expect getting this beautiful beasts. :-D What I am interested in, they say the Carbon version with the hardened steel nozzle is ideal for printing PA and PC, so what about that? And finally i think the hardware specs are phenomenal for this price, let's hope they get the Software to a similar level.
Sad IVI didn't follow through. I know they were having some issues before Covid, however I think the pandemic was the final blow. Sad because we invested in two machines. :( We won't be doing kickstarter again.
great video, thanks for the warnings about the risk of kickstarters.
sad that i don´t have the budget for this kickstarter, but looking forward for the review of production units when the kickstarter starts shipping, depending on those videos, more info and maybe some repair parts cost info, it is a good option for a miltifilament printer.
Also remember that kickstarter edition will be version 1, whereas whatever little changes they'd find once it's gone out to the users, will likely not be changed until like version 3 or 4.
That being said, that's a good price for what looks like an actual plug-and-play printer. Especially if you get the AMS version.
I think the HW is pretty much final.
@@lazyman1011 Correct, the shipped version to testers and the production will be version 7 according to Bambu Labs
I would love a follow up on this before the KS ends. Have you had any issues? Thanks!
I'm excited by this machine, seems like it's a genuine move forward after so many low end machine copy's and so many higher end machines like voron. With this in the middle. Just a shame about lack of linear rails. But no way I'm backing kickstarter with that much money, will give it a few months and see what production reviews are like as well as software development.
Linear rails do literally for speed or quality about the only advantage they have is maintenance life.
Your so right, also the pledge doesn't include shipping which is basically what I am "saving" (I am guessing) which means I end up playing the retail price... Thus, I'll just wait a bit longer but it does look like a good printer!
it includes shipping when you choose the country, the pledge amount goes up by the same amount it states the shipping costs
I have a 3D printer that in relatively unheard of, (based on my research). I was wondering if for a 3D printer review you could go over the UP mini 2 by Tiertime.
huh ... I would image you are close by if not right at the printer during the first print layer ... ? ? ? ... do people typically bail to work seconds after they've started a print? ...
I have some interest on this new printer and almost bought it at kickstarter, but I decided to wait a bit and wait for the second generation of bambulab, thinking that some problems will occur with this new one yet... Your review was really good, I'm now waiting also for the new prusa xl reviews to decide if im going ahead with prusa or wait for the next too...
They couldn't possibly have sent it to that many people. I for one have not received one yet, never mind the fact that I'm not a TH-cam sensation and would probably not do any type of review of the product. I think this is one of the more impressive looking consumer level printers I've seen in a while. Loved the warning about how the Kickstarter funding works.
Can you 3d print something requiring PVA support to see how clean it interfaces with PLA? please.
I stop buying stuff from kickstarter, I never got my stuff. I bought this cause it was a great product , but I used my Amex platinum card. In case it doesn’t come. They will refund my money 😉👍🏽. I appreciate the input on it, it was because of you I saw this the first time.
This printer really does get me excited. As someone that has tried out two enders printers 3 v2 and 5 plus (both of which I returned after many struggles more than likely on me), this looks like my dream printer. The main goal I have for printing is cosplay so I hope the build space can really be what I need for printing helmets in as few pieces as possible. While features such as multiple materials and colors seem nice it also really doesn't seem like a big reason for me to buy the printer. While I won't pledge for it I will 100% be keeping and saving for after the full release happens.
I'm very interested but not ready for a new printer myself yet, everything about this is a Yes from me and the right direction and will look for competitors or next versions in future when I'm ready to move up.
This is going to be great IIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFF the pledged machines AND all future machines are at this level of quality or higher.
Gotta say, this was the best video I've seen from you so (so far)!
My biggest concern is with the (almost) smallest part. Proprietary nozzles may make it difficult to keep in operation if the company doesn't continue to produce them for the life span of the printer.
Bambu claims they'll open all patents if they go out of business, essentially inviting third party spare parts if it ever comes to that.
Hey Joel,
Very interesting take on the matter. I have a question for you: can you check and confirm the maximum volumetric flow rate of the Carbon X1? Speed and acceleration are incredible but I'm also interested to know the VFR.
Thank you.
This is the first time Ive kickstarted. Im the type of guy who has a modded to hell printer that I spent more than the price of the printer upgrading, and this has literally every feature I could want apart from repairability and app free network control.
I just cant resist the level of ease of use. The lidar and filament changing combined with an all metal hotend are what really won me over.
Even if it costs 200 dollars to replace the hotend its still worth it. I just cant believe someone finally cracked the code and its only 2000 dollars canadian. Just insane value. Just think, I alost bought the prusa corexy. I know the build volume here isnt amazing, but its a tradeoff Ill make for all the other features this has.
3 thoughts in my head right now:
1) I think at this point, the only way a 3d printer can succeed on Kickstarter is if it has money behind it before the KS starts. And yet, KS remains a great platform for generating interest... and an acceptable platform for handling client information and payments if a company doesn't have their own webstore. I figure that's a good enough reason for Bambu to have used KS for the initial launch. (Also, they might be really leaning into debt financing right now and using the KS income to quickly bridge into profitability.)
2) I've backed this but without the AMS for now. I'm considering picking up an AMS down the road, though, and one things I'd really, really like to know is if it can be used for runout protection. That is, can you set it up so that when one spool runs out the AMS just drops in the next?
3) You're sure getting a lot of endings, I feel like I'm watching Lord of the Rings. :D :D
Thanks for being awesome! I enjoy your work a lot!
How is it with ABS? does it confirm that all that is really needed for quality, trouble free prints is an enclosed build chamber and even bed heating, rather than requiring a heated chamber?
Hey Joel - I was working with a client that was 3D printing parts for a prototype. He's got 3 Prusa machines (not sure of the model), and I said, by the way, are you familiar with the TH-camr 3D Printing Nerd? he said, "Oh yeah, he's like the best-known 3D printing TH-camr!" Yer a star, and I can say - "I know him!" good on ya!
Whoa, that’s awesome!
I haven't seen any lithophanes printed yet. You think you could try one of those?
You need to buy their nozzle hot end combo ( Expensive to change both often) also limits you to not use CHT nozzles etc.
Their own consumable built plate (sticker)
Software has amazing features but also restricts it. Will they keep up with prusa and Cura? Unlikely but I'm sure their do some innovations of their own.
AMS only fits some filaments.
Many risks, but i sure hope they do a kick ass job !
How does it hold up to solvable filaments? or mixing different filament types, its single nozzle right so all 4 filaments have to have the same temp i guess?
been waiting on your review of this, but couldn't miss out on the early bird
That’s a hard decision. Pull out of the Prusa XL or just dial down it’s print heads to easily finance the kickstarter and get both of them. I probably won’t decide about my XL pre order until I’ve send the X1 through its paces.
Would love to buy one but the price point is a bit high for me (shipping OUCH) :( I also am a little bit worried about all the proprietary stuff and the "what if" factor of it failing. I have been told they would open source everything if the company goes under buuuuuttttttttttt that is kind of like kickstarter saying, yea you will definitely get this product. They also did not put a price on the AMS system when I asked, so to expand to all the units may be pretty expensive. Why don't they have a full blown machine with all the AMS in the kickstarter??????? Great machine that I would totally buy to play with if I had the extra funds to set on fire but alas, nobody wants to buy me one, the wife said "you already have a printer" and the bills say LOL you just sit there and pay us!
Anyway it was a nice look at the machine and I do appreciate your views and totally agree about kickstarter being used for marketing rather than how it was intended to be used. I guess one good point is with the marketing aspect you don't have to wait years for a product.....trying to find the good in everything.
I would like to see something HUGE printed that takes up a lot of the volume, like a helmet and also something like a multi-piece sword with the blade segments standing on end (Just thought of another as typing that would be those collapsing swords from 3dprintingworld which are free). Curious to see how those small footprints and high Z would work on the printer.
It looks great, seems to work great but the big fun at 3D printing for me is the tinkering on the machine. Use different nozzles, beds, 2kg spools. But I have to say it looks great! I hope the support and parts availability is going to be good otherwise i am afraid you can pick this up within half a years for half of the retail price or even lower.
even a year later at half the price the Eearly bird X1 carbon & AMS will still be cheaper.
Also thye have stated that the with be other nozzle module to use from 0.2, 0.4 & 0.8. the heads are all hardened steals. how ever you canot use third part nozzles. i wish i was able to put a diamondback 0.6 nozzle on it for the CF prints . also the print head is an all metal print head nozzle and heat breaks.
The group wish they can provide spare parts for purchase but waiting to see what will be available.
I love your videos and always come back to your videos when i'm thinking about purchasing a new printer and thats what i'm doing now, however i just wanted to put this out there since i'm here that according to Bambu Lab's blog all kickstarter orders have been shipped and they've started to ship their pre-orders from their website :D
Woohoo!!!!
Hi, Can you try it with PVA supports? Thanks!