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@@Stigz34 the mustang is still a base 10 years old car with over 60k miles vs a high performance version of a latest car that is brand new. plus power in not everything in modern cars nowadays is all about engineering thats why hellcats and many other cars with over 800 hp cant stand a chance against some 300 to 500 hp vehicles like porches, bmw, lombos etc
Remember these cars are shooting for different drivers/markets. There is some cross shopping, but this is really a mash up. Put them on a tight track or autocross and you will see the Z pretty much walk away from the Mustang. Different gearing, both transmission and rear differential.
or just bring 18 and up with 10 speed they tend to whoop the z. but yeah just boost and fuel for 12k and tires e85 tune you are still less than the Z but now 600whp on stock sealed engine and i have seen ppl ring 1000whp out of stock sealed gen 1 coyote. now gen 2 and 2 stock sealed coyotes have made up to 1200whp and ran 7s in 18 up mustang gt and 8s in awd v8 f150 and those are 1/4 .ile times on stock sealed motor and factory computer
@@joshlamar1990the platform is the best thing that it has going for it. On stock turbos fbos tune, and e85, it does the quarter mile in 10.7 seconds at 512whp and 538lbft of torque , upgrade the turbos and it’ll do 60-130 in 5.3 seconds at 750whp and 600lbft of torque.
@@2seep yea after you mod it lol not everyone wants to mod there car especially when it’s 70k and people can barely afford to put food on the table. I would much rather just get a red sport 400. I wouldn’t pay 70k for a z hell would freeze over.
As a die-hard Stang guy, I was extremely proud of the GT!!👍 For a n/a car with similar hp to a boosted car to battle that well, is impressive! True gearheads KNOW that turbos perform best at higher rpms, by design!
As Porsche says... There is no substitute ! Porsches never get old. I'll keep my 1979 Porsche Targa with 110.000 mls. No turbos and a little modified with a little more than 200 hp. That's all I need. I love, love, love my canary !
Takes twin turbos to barely beat a naturally aspirated 10 year old Mustang by just inches in the 1/4… lol Sad! Shows how awesome a decade old Coyote 5.0 really is.
Honestly, with forced induction at that elevation I would have thought the Z would do even better. Closer to sea level that Mustang would definitely show out better.
I'm usually the last person to suggest modifying vehicles, but since I'm not in a position to dump $150k on a Porsche, I found myself wondering how one could get a 911 4S-like experience without the price. I think you could get most of the way there with a 2024 Golf R + tune. Would be about $100k less than the Porsche. Maybe a BMW M240i x-Drive + tune would be even closer. The prospect of owning either without a warranty is truly horrifying though.
Any daily driver EV will beat the heck out of these. I still like my old 350z but my heavy weight stock MYP does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. You need to spend a lot more with an ICE car for that category.
is it my idea or the Z never was in sport+ mode? passive gear changes and low rev/limiter and since slow spool / turbo speed? idk if there is almost 1.5 sec of difference from a Z nismo to a Z performance due to altitude and other factors
Well the mustang seems like a good deal to me; natural aspirated, more realizable, just as fast and cheaper. Let’s face it the Nisan is a reskinned old car.
The last gen Zs were compared to Porsche caymans, not 911s 😅. The GTR would be a 911 fighter (killer, really unless you get the higher trimmed 911s I believe)
Porsche Life! All very beautiful cars! 911 4s is legendary and just a couple upgrades from a super car, the Porsche 911 Turbo S. There is something special about those Pcars!
@@technopongthat's true. If you as women how much they want their man to make? They'll say at least 100k.. in reality only a tiny tiny percentage of men make that. Maybe 5%
I would like to see the mustang with a K&N drop in filter so it breath better up there.. and better tires, im speechless how good that N/A is doing up there in elevation
That ten year old Mustang, with the slower 6sp auto, would beat the Nissan at sea level. I was surprised how close it was considering that the turbocharged Nissan is less effected by being one mile above sea level, compared to the N/A Mustang.
Kinda lame stealing Carwows video format. We never used to see this race from a dig, roll race, and brake test from TFL until recently and carwow has been doing it and doing it better for years. Love the TFL original stuff like the Ike gauntlet and other real world tests.
The format is better even if it’s stolen. I think tfl remaining the everymans review type channel means these two have their own shticks. If you want to see British tools racing Lambos and Bugattis stick to carwow
There is no substitute. A fairer joust would be an older rwd 996 era 911 vs. the stang and z. The Porsche would be the cheapest and might get beat. Turbo can hold it's own but costs more than the others. Now about the turns...
They kind of say in the beginning that they just got the Z from Nissan and own the Mustang, so what they happen to have on hand, maybe they should have a disclaimer at the beginning, for entertainment purposes only.
Not a single one of these comments points out they are using an older mustang.... like a 2014 with the 6 speed automatic lol. Try the newer 10 speed automatic mustangs.... it would absolutely destroy these cars in stock form....
Absolutely forgone concussion against the Porsche. Have watched many drag races against 911s and honestly need an extra 150+ hp over a 911 to stand a chance in anything.
@@gregpavitt309doesn’t matter. Porsche is always rated to be one of the most reliable sports cars on the market. Nissans are absolute garbage and I own one. I’ll definitely take a Porsche over the recycled 370z any day of the week.
In my younger days i thot sports cars were neat...now i think they are the most impractical thing to own. Not much difference than a motorbike. No surprise the Porsche was king...but german cars are super expensive to own.
Sorry. But I don’t see how a 10 year old mustang is a fair comparison to a brand new Z. When a brand new mustang is still cheaper and has 80 more horsepower than the mustang you used
I have yet still to this day to see a 400Z driving around Dallas Texas or the various cities scattered across. Maybe I saw one but I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks. Let a lone a Nismo which is unobtainable even if you have the money or placed an order.
Ad some bolt ons to that mustang and a tune. Manifold, long tubes, injectors, bigger throttle body, intake, better tires, feed it some E85. It will put that nismo to shame. Give that 911 a run for it’s money a hard time.
You spend more than double your money to get from an s197 to a new Z and to 1 second faster in the 1/4. Then you have to nearly triple the money you spent on the Z to go another 1 second faster. Mustang is by far the most bang for your buck, in every way.
@@jlou606that's about one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. The Q50 and Q60s are big piles of CRAP compared to the Nismo Z. Put them on the track and they won't even be close..
@@mogulme6190 that is the conventional wisdom, but I have not experienced that problem with mine. I also installed a Barton short-throw shifter, which really helps shift speed. Trans lets me shift as I can physically move the lever.
In the stock form the vr30 is very restrained because it competes with the vr38. On stock turbo 450 wheel horspower on 93 is possible, really easy to do and will eat most things.
Why did you guys stop announcing next scene... like you go from rolling drag race without even a word or 3,2,1 into the next drag race. Its very strange and slightly confusing. You dont need big separation but some little structure is nice.
Ok so there talking about sea level and the air etc but late 13s for a new Z Nismo?? An HR 350Z manual did that. Really hope the air is causing the issue lol
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The Cammisa gag was pretty good. 😂
Had me dying laughing 😂
What I got from this is that an older basic Mustang is very very impressive.
Especially as NA loses so much at higher altitudes !!
how? it was made to go quickly in a straight line and it coudlnt do that lol
10 year old mustang gt keepin up with a nismo Z.
Same power
keeping up??? lmao
@@Stigz34 the mustang is still a base 10 years old car with over 60k miles vs a high performance version of a latest car that is brand new. plus power in not everything in modern cars nowadays is all about engineering thats why hellcats and many other cars with over 800 hp cant stand a chance against some 300 to 500 hp vehicles like porches, bmw, lombos etc
Remember these cars are shooting for different drivers/markets. There is some cross shopping, but this is really a mash up. Put them on a tight track or autocross and you will see the Z pretty much walk away from the Mustang. Different gearing, both transmission and rear differential.
Some fat tires and a supercharger would make the Mustang a true sleeper
The mustang is actually impressive. NA, elevation, and auto 😮
And old. Lol. I think they should have used an s550 instead of
@@lopesanderson19
True
@@lopesanderson19s550 would’ve smoke it
Yep and a 2014!
@@lopesanderson19 S550 Mach 1 is only barely faster than the base Z, most likely just matches the Nismo.
The next video should be on installing a supercharger into the Mustang, adding performance tires, and having a rematch.
or just bring 18 and up with 10 speed they tend to whoop the z. but yeah just boost and fuel for 12k and tires e85 tune you are still less than the Z but now 600whp on stock sealed engine and i have seen ppl ring 1000whp out of stock sealed gen 1 coyote. now gen 2 and 2 stock sealed coyotes have made up to 1200whp and ran 7s in 18 up mustang gt and 8s in awd v8 f150 and those are 1/4 .ile times on stock sealed motor and factory computer
@@carculturenation2166 Yeah, if a 14 can compete, a 18 will defeat.
@@benjaminmatute908514 only competes because the lack of traction from the Z. Otherwise it's a wash out
@@TheBb6prelude And it's lighter weight.
My point exactly
Okay, that Cammisa reference was hilarious. 😂
Time to add a supercharger to the Mustang!
Nah, they benefit more from wider wheels and tires and some lowering.
Plus they wouldn't recoup any money from expensive mods like boost.
It'd be pretty perfect with just a cold air intake take sticky tires and a tune add maybe 75 to 100hp 👌🦾
@@kingshawn1857a Cai and tune ain’t adding 100 hp
@@mogulme6190 which is why I said maybe
@@kingshawn1857 You'll get 15HP from a tune on a NA engine, maybe...
That Z Nismo really looks amazing!
That’s all it has going for it Nissan should have put more effort in the platform.
@@joshlamar1990the platform is the best thing that it has going for it. On stock turbos fbos tune, and e85, it does the quarter mile in 10.7 seconds at 512whp and 538lbft of torque , upgrade the turbos and it’ll do 60-130 in 5.3 seconds at 750whp and 600lbft of torque.
@@2seep yea after you mod it lol not everyone wants to mod there car especially when it’s 70k and people can barely afford to put food on the table. I would much rather just get a red sport 400. I wouldn’t pay 70k for a z hell would freeze over.
But look slow against the German
@joshlamar1990 if you're worrying about putting food on the table, then the car is simply out of your price range.
Proud to own a 13 5.0 Mustang honesty lol
As a die-hard Stang guy, I was extremely proud of the GT!!👍 For a n/a car with similar hp to a boosted car to battle that well, is impressive! True gearheads KNOW that turbos perform best at higher rpms, by design!
Wow. That Nissan looks awesome. Sound awesome. I think it's gonna be a jdm legend w price going up after several yrs.
Absolutely!
The Nissan x is pretty underrated and people do not look at it because it doesn’t make 5million Hp. But I like it.
The car looks great and drives amazingly well.
Congrats on the new car Roman you deserve it man
Nism⭕ is beautiful 😍. Great job Nissan
Bad job Nissan it’s 70k and slow.
What? Ugliest sports car in the market today.
@@joshlamar1990 bad? you are clueless
@@DaleWilly you must be a z fanboy it’s ugly slow and overpriced. I saw a Hyundai Elantra n almost thought it was a z nismo. 😂
@@joshlamar1990mustangs by far the ugliest. Ten people on my block of eleven have it. Just to common.
As Porsche says...
There is no substitute !
Porsches never get old.
I'll keep my 1979 Porsche Targa with 110.000 mls. No turbos and a little modified with a little more than 200 hp. That's all I need.
I love, love, love my canary !
Nissan sounds more sporty, Ford sounds more tractory
7:56 I’m dead😂😂😂. Also I like the “old man” spec 911! It looks awesome! Nice job Roman!
Not gonna lie, you almost had me with the Jason bit, I was about to say “Wow somebody has been watching a lot of Hagerty”
New nismo couldn't beat a first gen 5.0? YIKES
dude it smoked it, so take your yikes elewhere
@@DaleWillyNotice he said OLD not the 2024 nor Mustang from the last few years.
@@DaleWillysecond race it didn’t, door to door at the quarter mile. Big YIKES
Almost like quarter-mile times aren’t the only reason to buy a car….
@GODEYE270115 Door to door at that exact second but the Z was SAILING past the Mustang as they crossed. That means it's faster lol...
Lol, Camisas editing is amazing.
I'm empressed by all three.
The high altitude is definitely hurting the stang! It would actually be really close race at sea level.
Takes twin turbos to barely beat a naturally aspirated 10 year old Mustang by just inches in the 1/4… lol
Sad!
Shows how awesome a decade old Coyote 5.0 really is.
I love that Z!!!
Honestly, with forced induction at that elevation I would have thought the Z would do even better. Closer to sea level that Mustang would definitely show out better.
Mustang is junk!
This guy gets it ^
Z FTW
Love the random shout outs. All great channels.
The Hagerty reference was gold 😄
I loved the reference to Hagerty/Cammisa and the shout-out to Alex.
I'm usually the last person to suggest modifying vehicles, but since I'm not in a position to dump $150k on a Porsche, I found myself wondering how one could get a 911 4S-like experience without the price. I think you could get most of the way there with a 2024 Golf R + tune. Would be about $100k less than the Porsche. Maybe a BMW M240i x-Drive + tune would be even closer. The prospect of owning either without a warranty is truly horrifying though.
Any daily driver EV will beat the heck out of these. I still like my old 350z but my heavy weight stock MYP does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. You need to spend a lot more with an ICE car for that category.
When you have a Porsche in a race, you already know the winner, sorry... Porsche is Porsche! Thanks for the video.
is it my idea or the Z never was in sport+ mode? passive gear changes and low rev/limiter and since slow spool / turbo speed? idk if there is almost 1.5 sec of difference from a Z nismo to a Z performance due to altitude and other factors
7:57 had me rolling😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
what are you mean 😊
It's hard to grow old gracefully eh Roman. 😂
Well the mustang seems like a good deal to me; natural aspirated, more realizable, just as fast and cheaper. Let’s face it the Nisan is a reskinned old car.
Whelp, the Mustang sounds the best. 🤷♂
Lol at the Jason Camisa parody😂
The new Z looks really sharp but it seems the Z has fallen behind a bit tho. Didn't the older Z's back in the day keep up with Porsche 911's?
no
No. They had similar 0-60 with the boxster
Yea, but way back z32 300zx days
The last gen Zs were compared to Porsche caymans, not 911s 😅. The GTR would be a 911 fighter (killer, really unless you get the higher trimmed 911s I believe)
@@Barbwire710yeah, base model engine Cayman
Always bet on Porsche
Quality is always worth the price… that Porsche is the best one of all three, in more ways than one
What quality?
I'll take the Z
@@TheBb6prelude I'll take the Z also.
Porsche Life! All very beautiful cars! 911 4s is legendary and just a couple upgrades from a super car, the Porsche 911 Turbo S. There is something special about those Pcars!
You gotta quit speccing everything with automatics 🤢🤮
Roman is getting much more sociable in his old age. Hahaha. But Tommy's still the best.
$90,000 pricer & AWD? Big surprise the 911 walked the Z 🙄
It spanked the Z. But yeah, at that price, it's unobtainable for most people, sadly.
@@technopongthat's true. If you as women how much they want their man to make? They'll say at least 100k.. in reality only a tiny tiny percentage of men make that. Maybe 5%
I think the Z400 is underpowered for today's competition.
That mustang stock runs low 13 at best
NA at a mile high results!
I would like to see the mustang with a K&N drop in filter so it breath better up there.. and better tires, im speechless how good that N/A is doing up there in elevation
K$N filter hasn’t added power in 10+ years, and it’s been tested a million times
Porsche $140K, 400Z, way too much, GT Stang $24K, fun with pop's priceless 😄
That ten year old Mustang, with the slower 6sp auto, would beat the Nissan at sea level. I was surprised how close it was considering that the turbocharged Nissan is less effected by being one mile above sea level, compared to the N/A Mustang.
Targa always a beautiful 911
Kinda lame stealing Carwows video format. We never used to see this race from a dig, roll race, and brake test from TFL until recently and carwow has been doing it and doing it better for years. Love the TFL original stuff like the Ike gauntlet and other real world tests.
The format is better even if it’s stolen. I think tfl remaining the everymans review type channel means these two have their own shticks.
If you want to see British tools racing Lambos and Bugattis stick to carwow
Throttle house
Brand new vs. almost 10 years old car...not terribly suprising.
No other production car has a chance against any Porsche 911 in its performance / horsepower class !!!
Nissan Z all day everyday!
There is no substitute.
A fairer joust would be an older rwd 996 era 911 vs. the stang and z.
The Porsche would be the cheapest and might get beat. Turbo can hold it's own but costs more than the others.
Now about the turns...
You guys should get a Dark Horse. They're so much fun!
This was a very strange comparison
I can't see the value in racing a 9 year old Mustang against a new Nissan???
They kind of say in the beginning that they just got the Z from Nissan and own the Mustang, so what they happen to have on hand, maybe they should have a disclaimer at the beginning, for entertainment purposes only.
Not a single one of these comments points out they are using an older mustang.... like a 2014 with the 6 speed automatic lol. Try the newer 10 speed automatic mustangs.... it would absolutely destroy these cars in stock form....
Absolutely forgone concussion against the Porsche. Have watched many drag races against 911s and honestly need an extra 150+ hp over a 911 to stand a chance in anything.
Love the Camisa spoof!! 😂
I know you guys mention you're a mile above sea level but for turbo cars that difference is negligible unlike an na engine
NISSAN Z!!!!!
That Porsche is in another league in comparison with that Nissan
Yeah that Porsche will be a bigger Money Pit as it ages... so yeah in another League..😂
@@gregpavitt309lol imagine saying a Nissan is quality 😂
@@ryanturnerboles well that depends on what model Nissan you buy
@@gregpavitt309doesn’t matter. Porsche is always rated to be one of the most reliable sports cars on the market. Nissans are absolute garbage and I own one. I’ll definitely take a Porsche over the recycled 370z any day of the week.
You should use a drone to give a top down view at the finish line. Would be much more informative. Just a suggestion.
To be true: I like them all and most of all I like, that there is no EV in this test 😀!
Cammissa does have great videos
Love that Coyote and the sound is second to none
$68k for that Z? That’s crazy money
Without the dealer markup. Try $78-80+ K on the road.
But over 100+k for that Porsche isn't😂
Z has the best sound
In my younger days i thot sports cars were neat...now i think they are the most impractical thing to own. Not much difference than a motorbike. No surprise the Porsche was king...but german cars are super expensive to own.
18 minutes for drag races is a LOT
Did TFL buy the 911? I haven't seen any other videos on it?
Nice Cammisa moment guys
Sorry. But I don’t see how a 10 year old mustang is a fair comparison to a brand new Z. When a brand new mustang is still cheaper and has 80 more horsepower than the mustang you used
That is EXACTLY how Jason does it. 😂
Was the Toyota Supra (BMW) available at the time?
Finally the new Z beat a mustang! A 10 year old mustang that is😂
Really nothing to write home about
excuses, triggered..... Z is faster no matter the years, move on
@@DaleWilly 🤣🤣 delusional. So many videos out there where the Z gets blasted all the time.
@@DaleWilly yup nailed it
I have yet still to this day to see a 400Z driving around Dallas Texas or the various cities scattered across. Maybe I saw one but I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks. Let a lone a Nismo which is unobtainable even if you have the money or placed an order.
You definitely need a higher frame rate camera on the finish line....
Elevation is hurting the mustang.
excuses
Ad some bolt ons to that mustang and a tune. Manifold, long tubes, injectors, bigger throttle body, intake, better tires, feed it some E85. It will put that nismo to shame. Give that 911 a run for it’s money a hard time.
Like to see this again with a new Corvette
You spend more than double your money to get from an s197 to a new Z and to 1 second faster in the 1/4. Then you have to nearly triple the money you spent on the Z to go another 1 second faster. Mustang is by far the most bang for your buck, in every way.
Yeah buying the new z is not a smart option the q50 and q60 same car a lot cheaper
@@jlou606that's about one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. The Q50 and Q60s are big piles of CRAP compared to the Nismo Z. Put them on the track and they won't even be close..
The the Z will also run laps around a s197
Wonder why you didnt choose the new ford mustang gt
I'm very curious how a 6MT Mustang GT would do. The S197 slushbox doesn't have the best performance reputation.
The manuals suck, locking you out of gears when driven hard
@@mogulme6190 that is the conventional wisdom, but I have not experienced that problem with mine. I also installed a Barton short-throw shifter, which really helps shift speed. Trans lets me shift as I can physically move the lever.
6r80 is actually pretty quick
I remember being absolutely underwhelmed by the VR in any of its tunes. Carlos tanked that company.
In the stock form the vr30 is very restrained because it competes with the vr38. On stock turbo 450 wheel horspower on 93 is possible, really easy to do and will eat most things.
Barely beating a 10 year old mustang at altitude is kinda embarrassing for the twin turbo new Z
Mustang needs a tune and a looser converter. Proven over and over to shave a second and add 8-10 mph on the top end.
Young reaction time 😂😂
His son pretty much gave him The Head start and still beat him with the Porsche of course You can't compare a Porsche to these type of vehicles
My q50 when it was stock ran 13.8 in Denver so same altitude and it was only 300hp
Does the mustang have any mods?
Why did you guys stop announcing next scene... like you go from rolling drag race without even a word or 3,2,1 into the next drag race. Its very strange and slightly confusing. You dont need big separation but some little structure is nice.
I'm more impressed by that old mustang
Guys stop making negative comments
Ok so there talking about sea level and the air etc but late 13s for a new Z Nismo?? An HR 350Z manual did that. Really hope the air is causing the issue lol
That Nissan sounds like a vacuum cleaner
get your ears checked then
@user-do9ir8lv2m I did and it still sounds like a glorified vacuum cleaner