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- There’s a better way to design prison architecture.
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Halden Prison in Norway looks sort of like a fancy dorm room or a hotel - much different than the barbed wire and cramped cells we often associate with prison design. Its look is all part of a plan to create a more humane prison, one where the architecture isn’t part of the punishment.
Most prisons around the world are consolidated into one single building. This style makes it easy and efficient for inmates to move around, but the design is monotonous and full of visually unappealing materials, like steel and concrete. Plus, tight quarters inside these spaces can foster conflict.
Halden has a different structure: a campus design, where inmates move from one building to another, and are surrounded by lots of windows and construction materials that help muffle noise and take advantage of natural light.
The prison’s layout also encourages guards to interact with inmates face-to-face, which fosters better relationships and reduces security-related incidents.
Halden’s design style is expensive - which is why we mostly see it implemented in places with good social support systems, like Western Europe and Scandinavia. Still, the design is setting new standards for what prisons could be like in the future.
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Would you support humane prison design in your own country? Why or why not?
Yes I guess, traditional jail doesn't only take away their freedom it also leaves them in a eternal darkness, where inmates are constantly reminded of their crimes if they live in the old-fashioned jail but with this new design although they're reminded of their crimes as well I think it'll give them hope about their future which increases the possibility of them changing to be a better person. Just my opinion, but maybe it will go the other way like they're comfortable with their lives in this pretty jail already and they don't want to leave hahaha
No because we gotta spend elsewhere
Human dignity very important! Only a few prisoners deserve
prison is served time and peace is never forbidden for anyone
Yes. With this, we canre-introduce prisioners to society easier by giving them a daily life-like routine. And in Brazil, that's not the case.
when your school is built more like a prison than a prison
Val The school is made so that many people can move around quickly. Im from norway and i dont care that my school looks like a prison because i know that its made for education, which is more important.
I go to harry ainlay school and it literally used to be a bomb shelter, like there's no windows.
Same. Our school barely had any windows and each classroom felt extremely suffocating until 2 years ago, our student council petitioned to have classes outside every once in a while and for every student to plant something. Our school couldn’t afford to renovate and this was only a small step but hopefully there will be more small steps in the future :)
*usa gang rise up*
@@dasoon0220 almost everyone from vox is from usa tho
Norway: they're humans
USA: they're animals
T00 Qu1ck North Korea: They are disposable
China: Their pets are now food
@CoolChannel Name a majority of crimes are not torturing and murdering but ok.
First of all treating animals like this is still horrible and humans are animals
more like
Norway: theyre humans
USA: theyre liabilities
A lot of people re-offend because when they come out of prison, they're far to disconnected from the world. Giving people the opportunity to serve their time and better them to come out and not want to re-offend really is the best way forward. I'm disappointed that this isn't the approach most people want to take even if circumstances mean we can't.
well said
@Funny Man #1 yes, that’s why these prisons are a good way of helping the criminals understand how the world and society works.
But the people won't want to come back after a 20 year sentence, the whole point of a prison is so that the people would learn from there flaws and become a better person after that.
Hmm
@@sage9996 tbh that’s not really a bad thing either, like if people are *that* desperate.
Wonder if they could make something similar for people facing homeless. A small community among themselves that give you access to education and cleaning areas and helps you get a job with having a safe place to stay.
Norway do not have a homeless problem and the question is not very relevant for Norwegians. The few homeless persons existing usually choose that life (for several reasons like do not want help, or maybe they are not picked up by the system, maybe they do not have someone to push them to get the help they need, etc) or they might be waiting for an application to be processed (short time. Usually they will live with parents, friends or in the car). There is almost always help for everybody for whatever reason that exist. There is social benefits (money/resources from the municipality) if needed and stuff like free healthcare for all. If you are receiving social benefits that might be enough or you might need more help and be provided with housing that you will pay for with the money you have received. Usually not the greatest homes with the highest standards but always acceptable. There are multiple of other arrangements before the need for social benefits. Most people do what they can to avoid applying for social benefits as it is usually associated with failure and shame. We can compare US homeless with Norwegians receiving social benefits meaning if Norway did not have social support for inhabitants they would probably be homeless. There is also social security if you are some or fully disabled, pension for all, and more. For countries with a homeless problem maybe your suggestion could be a good solution if the politicians is willing to prioritize it.
Your answer is based on US thinking. We don't have a homeless problem in Norway. If you're not able to care for yourself, the country will provide for you. There are very few homeless persons, and we have free health care.
Education in Norway is also free.
You get free job training if your skills are not needed.
So what you're asking for is already here. It just isn't in USA.
@@OyvindSolstad I thought it was implied in countries that don't already have that. I guess I should spell it out for you guys.
YES!!! I've heard there isn't much of a homeless problem, but I think everyone, no matter what, deserves basic needs.
this will probably never happen because politicians would be scared of the fact that the generation growing up after them wouldn't find a reason to work when you could live a great life if you were just homeless. Immigrants would probably not search for jobs if places like that would available because it would most likely be a better community and a better place to stay than where they fled from. And even if they did get a job and a house it mightve been better for them to live in that type of a community because you wouldnt have to spend any money to get free food, education, health care and fun activites like games and such.
US: Trying to escape prison
Norway: Trying to break into prison
It’s still worse than real life
Aoi Yamamoto US citizen commits a crime in Norway hoping to go to a luxury prison but gets deported 😂😂
@@crazyforcoffee5950 lol yh
Nah, people do it in the US, too. Jail time means you don't sleep in the snow.
DONGJIN TONG not for a homeless person 😂, you got from struggling on the harsh cold streets to staying at the highest of caliber university, and all you have to do is commit a crime
I wish my school looked as nice as this.
imagine prisons looking nicer than schools. its an absolute joke if you ask me. maybe make schools more "humane" instead of spending this money on criminals instead.
Xtra i think they already have that.
Maybe just add a pond with fish or some greenery.
My school has a garden and ponds. The school pond requires a total cleaning though.
@@XtraArtzz exactly
Deeptiranjan kar I live in a town near this prison, and the middle school I went to look more like a prison than this.
I heard that conventional prisons are actually pretty useless at reducing crime
It's scientifically proven that people who are shown compassion are more likely to show compassion to others. (and the opposite is true as well)
I would love to see this kind of design everywhere
cause specially in America, The actual goal of a prison isn't to reduce crime. As they are run as businesses. They are run for profit. So they need more criminals and not less. So they are actually designed to make people Reoffend so they can get more profit. To make them feel like they are just prisoners that are worth nothing to society. Even out side of jail.
One problem here in America is that a lot of prisons are for profit. They have an incentive for inmates to return. It is disgusting.
@@kristenpayne1867 usa is a failed state compared to Norway
@@kristenpayne1867Don't forget that 75%+ of inmates are part of prison labour programs. Where they are paid basically nothing and are punished for refusing work.
And the fact that judges are ranked off of convictions, not total trials. And Police departments with high arrest rates get more funding.
It's aptly referred to as the "Prison-Industrial Complex"
It took Victor Hugo 600,000 words to say this in Les Miserables.
"Treat people like animals and they'll behave as such"
It should also be kind of mentioned in case some people don't know: The prison system in the US is "for profit" which means that as long as they're able to make money from locking people up (and using their labour) to make money they'll design a system that ensures as many people as possible will reoffend and get back into prison. Those people just renamed slavery
I mean, if you look at the 13th Amendment (the amendment that abolished slavery) literally has an exception for "as punishment for a crime" so yes, it is literally a continuation of the existence of slavery in the United States. There's plenty of laws that exist that were created to disproportionately impact Black people specifically to create a prison workforce. The documentary 13th is all about this sort of thing.
Why am I able to agree with that, police in the USA are basically soldiers in lighter armour. They enforce things much more strictly and harshly making it hard for people to feel safe around some man with a gun and a badge.
@@northstarjakobs usa is a failed state compared to Nordic countries
everybody gangsta till people start breaking into the prison and not out
Underrated comment
Lol
That's actually what poor people did a few hundred years ago, in prison you'd have a roof on your head and at least a bit of food
XD
I guess that’s a good problem to have. If a prison could be that nice then it might influence other nations to create better ways for people to live
"All our prisoners will be released sooner or later. They will be someone's neighbor. Our job is simply to create better neighbors" they said in a previous documentary about Halden prison. -Amen.
Well unless you are sentenced for the rest of your life
@@ThePlazmaBeast We don't have life sentence in Norway
@@simenwindstad4078 to be specific, you have Preventative Detainment, which COULD extend indefinitely if a prisoner is totally beyond rehabilitation. but that needs a serial/mass offender's mental state to occur, though. everyone else tops out at 21 years.
@@Leozyoo There's more humane methods of the death penalty. You're already desecrating the basic love that should be given to all things, so why would you do it in a manner like a direct gunshot?
@@Leozyoo they should go out into society as better people. it’s nice to give people a chance, you know, even if it’s unlikely they’d change
this is why i love design, we should always prioritize humanity when designing anything
I remember when I graduated from the correctional officers academy, I was commissioned to make the class speech; I said “we are here as human beings, to watch after other human beings, the walls bars and fences are the punishment, not us. It is our job to go to work and our duty to go home.”
Yup, and I take that to heart every day at work. I've never had a fight at my posts. I don't get yelled at. Other inmates don't get yelled at. It's all around safer and more productive.
judge : you are sentenced to be in prison for 10 years
suspected : ok then
Norway is a discipline country, 99% norway won't commit crime tho they're safest country too.
Stanley Long judge: this criminal is directed to the jail in USA
Criminal:............
Judge:" And Send him to US prison!
Suspected:"NooOooo! 😫😫😫"
10 years? In Norway even for killing person you probably get less than 10 years.
Better with an ok than to be dommed to reebtering of crime
*when a prison room looks better than your own bedroom*
@@sebastianelytron8450 Self-imposed prison! x'D
But the real difference is that you are allowed to wander into the world, while the prisoners are, still, locked inside that facility and do not get to enjoy such freedom. I've been in army, that had state of the art facilities, yet every time I got to visit my crappy small studio apartment was like I got to breathe more freely than I ever could have inside the barracks.
Will encourage people to commit more crime to enjoy the luxury in there.
and the prisoners cost over 120k dollars a year
Makes me commit more crime than to live w/ my present room lol
i like how they're not only directly helping the inmates, but they're also pushing their guards to do better by making their private offices minimal
Imagine treating a human being like a human being.
Imagine treating a criminal like a human being
@@michelmilaneh8963 Imagine living in the 50s
Imagine paying for a serial killer to live in a house better than yours
@@inathi9934 as far as Norway standards, this is far worse than pretty much every home lol.
@Angus Chandler did the serial killer see his victims as humans too?
In us prisons you get beaten up,
In Norwegian prisons you learn and reflect. Prison is just a longer detention.
Not beaten up , *rapen up*
Leiloan even worse
@@lampoilropebombs0640 yeah
Leiloan that’s not even a word.
more like *Shanked up*
I’m from Norway and I was like: Let’s not talk about the fact that the prison in my city has a bakery...
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My aunt married a Norwegian and spent some time living in Norway. In the 90s when she and her husband used to visit, they would tell us that in Norway, there was a spike in petty crime among the homeless and the elderly in the autumn just so they could get into prison. They didn't mention if it was Halden (and Halden is their maximum security facility) but apparently city jails in Norway have that level of comfort.
And apparently it works. I had a similar discussion about this at Quora and the Norwegian OP told me that in the US, recidivism rate after 5 years was 75%, while in Norway recidivism rate AFTER 20 YEARS was 20%. The numbers check out too.
I wish to one day live in a society like that, that values rehabilitation more than it does punishment...
Before I go homeless, I go to Norway and steal a banana
Deadpoppin the banana is the murder weapon
Deadpoppin no that’s incorrect, they don’t have life sentences in norway
ILoveTheJubbs x isn’t the max like 21?
If you aren't a Norwegian citizen you don't go to jail in Norway, if you are you don't need to steal to get housing support all you need to do is ask.
@@0verspeed637 is that a JoJo reference?
This is not about being "nice" to criminals - its simple biology/psychology.
Stress leads to more problematic behavior. If the person can be rehabilitated, taking away stress will help to do so, and if they're dangerous and need to kept there permanently, then, putting them under pressure exascerbates that danger.
They're still walled in either way.
our schools should follow this methodology, then our prisons
\m/ indeed
With this the inmates would have more time to think about his life.
DAVID GONZALEZ RAMIREZ and they want to put their life together because the Norwegian system ACTUALLY gives them a chance we don't send them out on the streets we actually help them.
@Jesus Christ yeah sure
Whoever is behind this idea deserve massive applauds ❤️
No
@@mr.b3168 ok
It's interesting to see this approach where the sentence of a felon is the lack of freedom. In my country, Romania, the sentence is not just lack of freedom. It's lack of proper hygiene, moldy cells, crowded spaces and rusted bars on the windows. The punishment is not just lack of freedom but also lack of dignity.
Very few people in my country have an issue with the prison conditions. Up until seeing this video, I honestly hadn't thought about it.
Many people forget that prison is about rehabilitation, not punishment.
Seok Min While yes, I do think this kinda place is great for people who have committed minor crimes or people who never hurt anyone, but I don’t think people who have committed murder or other violent crimes should be sent to a prison like this. They’re people who have hurt others in unimaginable ways, they don’t deserve to feel comfortable. Idk maybe I was raised differently than you so I don’t necessarily agree with you 100%, but I totally respect your opinion and I don’t want this comment to seem like I’m insulting you or your beliefs.
Julia Parr You’re so respectful about this. Thank you.
Julia Parr You’re saying they deserve to be treated like animals because they treated other like animals? Isn’t that kinda hypocritical?
@@ahm4227 yes
Here in America its about neither. Its all about the money here. 💰
that time when swedish guards forgot to lock 6 prisoners cells and instead of escaping the inmates made cake and watched movies together
Wait did that actually happen?
That's wholesome
@@ancientlemon4200 wait really ? any link ?
@@nimoborgor6626 It did happen, I just don’t have a link, 100% vouch.
@@aprender1952 ohhh ok
I absolutely love this. I want this where I live. This is so much better and looks so much safer, friendlier, and healthier
Norway: "We have no desire to be cruel to prisoners. They are still human after all."
United States: "Hahaha."
Prison looks great, but I wish they could've implement more humane design on nursing homes.
old people should just be euthanized.
@LuckyTheDog517 people don't think that way when euthanizing their pets...
Candra Rakhmasari people euthanize their pets when they are miserable, when they would die anyways of pain or of the disease they have
Hell yes. I would prefer this design to be applied there first!
... they do in Europe..
0:37 "The sentence is taking away the freedom. Everyday life shouldn't be a sentence."
That sums it up right there
Cameron I understand that you would think that way if you are American, but Norway is a welfare state where there are support systems in place for vulnerable people. It is not like the US where many are left to fend for themselves.
@@fridapersson6284 If US built their prisons like this, 50% of the population would
voluntarily get imprisoned because their everyday life is not as healthy as it it in a Norway prison lol.
Norway can do this, because the State actually helps its population to have access to everything they need.
USA is a broken country
@@MrGotickiller09 The US is really just a third world country with money.
@@maarten699 And that's the most incomprehensible for me as a canadian, why is there a considerable majority of the US population who thinks they are living in the best country in the world and they don't feel the emergency to change. Like we get it, USA, you can attack any country, you put all your money in military instead of actually giving back to the population in need, but why do population allows this?
@@MrGotickiller09 yeah..... that’s us in a nutshell. But at this moment I’m optimistic. Like, I’ll we can transfer the momentum right now in the form of protests and riots, then transfer it to political will and take hold in the fall, I think we can finally catch up to the rest of the world. But also, if we don’t take control in the fall then I wouldn’t be all that surprised at a revolution. I mean, Trump is trying to take more power all the time, and he is slowly testing how far he can go. Inevitably he’ll hit something that people won’t accept. And I would be real great full if you Canadians would help our military organize a coo.
As a norwegian this makes me proud ☺
"Being imprisoned is the punishment - the architecture doesn’t have to be"
-Vox
The best line ever🔥🔥.
Best line ever indeed
@@Footballplayer280 yes
How Norway made a more human prison: Step one: Treat the inmates like human beings.
@@beatrislumis2139 you do understand that most inmates in america are in prison for non violent drug charges right?
@@kimberlypence2615 oh, no, I am not talking about crimes of non-violent kind. I am strongly agreing with humen prisons, just not for people who comited terible things. My opinion is like that only because it doesnt work in my contry😓
beatris lumis but it should be in our best interest to turn those people back into normal humans. Putting them in a tough prison will only make them tougher.
@@beatrislumis2139 I'm sure not all prisons are this nice haha
@@anqistenning8558 *visible confusion*
Yeah, they already know that
The vikings, once the fiercest people are now the smartest.
Smooth transition ;)
Most ancient nords were farmers btw
@-RobloxGodFox -
Nah yall created Nazism. And havent eradicated it yet
@@JokerL1000 and most of it is in the US at this point
JokerL1000 we didn’t that’s the Austrians
Great idea, I hope this has come far in these 2 years, great outlook, I rate it
this was incredibly well done and thought provoking! thank you (:
This prison and Norway in general has the lowest rate of reoffenders - I would say this pretty much proves this concept right.
Well yea.
Prisons are supposed to correct offenders.
If the government treats them as humans and give them humane treatment and change their outlook while in sentence, the offenders will come out changed and won't do harm to society, and contribute back.
An American prison makes offenders feel trapped like an animal. This sparks hatred and spite towards everything around them and the prisoners are less likely to change, and then get sent back to the human chicken coop.
Lee Hong Jin exactly
@@CL-io9xi I mean, imagine if a large percentage of ex-offenders are able to get a decent job.
They can give back to the community by taxes, community events, etc. and they are more likely to marry, have kids and lessen the aging population trend of many developed nations.
Then those kids grow up and get jobs...
Its a long term investment for the government and everyone gets benefits.
Proof? Where can i see IT!
@@Ilyaaswnb The Norwegian system speaks for itself. Low crime rates, low amount of returning prisoners, etc.
No one:
Scandinavia:
*flexing on every other country*
Sweden sucks
@@hwfq34fajw9foiffawdiufhuaiwfhw yes, can you?
😂😂🤣🤣
seriously lmaooo
This is the least funny and least original comment in have ever seen
The goal of prison is to (usually) bring them back into society as healthy contributors, and this is a big step in that direction.
This is always been my philosophy in building prison in Prison Architect.
When you're going to commit a crime, do it in Norway.
u2good2b4gotn exactly
that's exactly the problem with this prison. people, especially homeless and poor, will commit crimes to be in these prisons because it's literally better than the average home in the us.
Nightmare _1234563 Norway has a rather low homeless rate
@@hageja1life Yes, but if you're poor, then why wouldn't you commit harmless to get into this prison? It looks like a 3-star resort.
Phantom Stranger Norway doesn’t really have poor people eyther
What a brilliant idea!
They should design my school like this too because it feels like a prison too
I know that was a joke but there probably is a lot that could be done with the design of schools to Foster education.
It might be. Many schools in the US had their designs repurposed from prisons
does this incentivize low income people to become criminal?
Funny that you should say that. A lot of the more modern upper secondary schools here in Norway use architecture built on some of the same principles. We have, for an example, glass walls to make the school environment feel more open and inclusive. It also lets in more light and encourages teens to behave in a more truthful manner. I, as a student, personally love it👍
Guess who the 2nd best education system belongs to? Finland!
This is helpful 💗 I'm going to propose a design for rehabilitation/prison. Defo going to cite this informative video. The same understand of what many would/may call "one-ladder-up empathy". Also including the reasons why these people committed crimes or to even some that were just falsely accused. Rehabilitation is saving through understanding these people and educating them, giving them a new dress of life that'll help change for the better. Psychology and design can defo help.
We may not be able to change the law and charges (year/s or lifetime)... But at least a humanitarian act 'til their last breath inside the facility or before renewed freedom.
I feel like this is a good idea especially if you added fun things for them to do and ways for them to interact and socialize in fun ways like board games or something else.
To do list updated:
- go to Norway
- get arrested
That's more difficult than u think I guess I don't know lol I just live in Norway and was born there so I'm glad
- *Sentenced to Home confinement*
@@foflip8124 - gets deported
@@foflip8124 what if i walk around Oslo flashing my junk to people? Won't i be incarcerated for indecent exposure?
@@math3000 lol
USA: harden the wall so they can't escape
Norway: make prison looks and feels so good so they don't want to escape
that was literally the idea. the designers called it something like "Dynamic Security". and it works. this is a Maximum Security facility housing violent offenders and drug offenders. it also has a beautifully clean record.
I think there was a new story a few years ago where some guards forgot to lock up the prisoners in their cells at night with the night shift (which mean less security active) and instead of breaking free from the prison they spend the evening and night hanging out in the communal areas and workshops relaxing and chilling before getting called back to their cells.
its so different when people are being treated like people instead like feral unwanted animals and if you combine that with proper rehabilitation and education in prisons and you get less crime overal. because in the end of the sentence you release a normal functioning citizen instead of an someone who had nothing and now has less. (note this works best for lighter crimes like buglary, drug abuse, ect)
it also helps that the prison system isnt privatised like in the US, putting people in prisons is very expensive and the state wants to close as many as possible to cut costs. meaning that its better and cheaper for them to offer a better life afterwards and overal to minorities than to let them fall into crime.
@@solar7427 It happened in Sweden. The inmates made a cake.
@@Ikajo ah nice, now I know what country the story came from.
Great idea. Make people want to be in prison so they commit more crimes. Makes so much sense.
"You're under arrest."
"Yay!"
Vox is OBSESSED with prisons/prisoners
I like this. They aren't punishing prisoners for the life they had, they are preparing the prisoners for their life ahead.
Punishing prisoners for the life they had can be counted as one of this world's way on operating. They want you to hate your enemies instead of the opposite.
Exactly, lets forget that prisoner murdered a person.
@@artursgabrusevs5153 You don't always end up in prison as a murderer cause thats a bit hard to explain but I don't condone this scenario below either.
Lets say someone depressed is going to jump off a building, and the bystanders down there are telling him to just jump. Although the final decision is made by the jumper, it doesn't ignore the fact that the bystanders are accountable too.
@@artursgabrusevs5153 I don't know if you watched the video, but the prisoners ARE punished for their crimes. The punishment is taking away their freedom, which honestly is a very big punishment. But other than that, prison life is about rehabilitation. That also makes sense because Norway doesn't have a lifelong prison sentence, so criminals will (in most cases) get out after 10-20 years and the rates of former prisoners becoming criminal again are extremely low here. So the system obviously works and it is cheaper for the taxpayers this way.
@@climb518
And I got this idea. I always wanted to try myself in writing but I have no time because of studying in a university and working on a job to PAY for a rent. If I get there I wouldn't need to do anything to sustain living. Where to sign up?
"Beeing imprisoned is the punishment - the design hasnt have to be."
That is so correct!
Being imprisoned means you are not free to go where ever you want.
That is socialy a very hard punishment.
I was in a psychatry once (just for a few weeks and in free will) where I was told that the stay means not to leave the compound. (For legal reasons and also for the therapy)
Even everything was a comfortable stay, it felt imprisoned in some way.
That moment you have to call your loved ones that they have to visit you at the compound, because you cant leave (and that was by choice) - it was bad. And leaving the hospital felt like getting back your live - even if it was for just a few weeks.
Bruder was machst du denn hier
I think I would do better in such an environment than in normal life.
so basically right now, during lockdowns, we are kind of imprisoned.
@@joandaa in some way...yes. you're personal rights are cut.
@@user-te9wu4kw3x 😂
Very fascinating
Very glad these are being designed
We often forget that prisons are full of hundreds of folks who work there, often for multiple shifts at a time, and often for years. My parents worked "two life sentences" worth of time in prisons. I can tell you first hand that environments matter. My mother's office became an accidental garden. Because one day she brought...wait for it...a plant! subsequently, other people would give her plants for holidays. Even inmates would do it. Inmates would stop by to look at or water the plants. This is how starved for humanity the US justice system can be. Prisons and incarceration are tough topics, but we can find ways to soften them if we want.
Norway’s prison system is about reformation, not solely punishment
@Jack park It's not about whether you can or can not reform, but which method has a higher success rate, prisons designed for punishment lead to more repeat offenders.
@Jack park You mean like how inmates here are contracted out to construction sites for pennies on the dollar and make less than 75 cents a day?
Same in Sweden
@Jack park Most people who are in prison are there because they don't have their life together. Prison can actually give alot of people a second chance and a guide in life and repay their mistakes to the socecity by coverting to a good citizen. I agree with that at least with minor to medium criminals, even really violent inmates can be changed to easier handle in prison.
@Jack park Well everyone don't want to fight fire with fire to continue the fued. Prison is the state's way to controll dangerous individuals. Every prison ain't established to punish and there is no formula that it has to. Rehbilitation show better result in crime rate. "When your children behaves poorly you don't punish, you teach."
Norway: “we treat our prisoners like the people they are!”
United States: *”dirt. that’s what I see”*
Not only in the USA...
@Jared Abitt I don't think this is for mass murderers and the like.
Jared Abitt sanders Brevik is held at Ila Prison which isn’t as nice as Halden
Jared Abitt yes but not everyone who commits those crimes should live their entire life like a monster even if they change
@Jared Abitt If you want to pluck out the worst example possible, you can argue for literally anything. Be realistic here. Norway's homicide rate is 0.5 per 100,000 people vs the US's 5.35 per 100,000 people. Norway's recidivism rate is 20% vs the US's 77%. So Norway's prison system definitely shows results, whereas the US seems to want a non-violent drug offender to be punished for life.
The amount of people who don’t understand the concept of rehabilitation is baffling and is apparent of a failing prison system in their nation
I hope that the collective experience of lockdowns will help people realize that separating people from the outside world is already a severe punishment. Prison life could be as "pleasant" as an upper-middle-class lockdown, and a year of it will still be punishment.
The punishment is losing freedom, not being confined in a dark small brick box for years. I agree with her.
Then the elderly or disabled confined to homes are suffering from punishment? No. The punishment is the environment, if prisons were like this everywhere you'e bet there'd be a lot more crime.
Why be homeless when you could live in a cushy palace? Sure you can't go outside but you lived on the streets for years. A little rape here, a little murder there and boom you're living large.
@Angel Subliminals But in Norway it doesn't matter if you don't get hired because you get paid well and have an apartment without having to do anything. It's the same here in Finland. I have 6 months until my studies begin and could go to work, but instead I stay home all day because the state pays me like 80% of the salary I could potentially get by actually working. The Finnish economy is already in big trouble due to this but I'll enjoy my un-earned benefits till that happens.
@Angel Subliminals Well the "get hired through the state" is techically possible, but if someone wants to stay on benefits, he/she is easily able to do that. And "get help" is of course fine, but for example I get paid 400 euros a month even though I live with my parents and have no living costs whatsoever. This sum would triple if I lived in my own apartment. I'm not against benefits or against making the prison system more humane (using US as the standard because Nordic prisons are way too soft), but too much is too much.
When a drunk driver causes a woman to lose her father and her 3 children in an instant, you want that driver to suffer like nobody has before.
You agree because you're a witch,,,convicts should be killed and fed to the dogs 😁
Literally all scandinavian countries have similar systems, and societies, and it works amazing. I think a lot of countries can learn from it. Just look at Sweden, Norway and Denmark
But.. Finland :(
u2good2b4gotn racism is the route of all of our problems
Akash Guha Thakurata they haven’t?
Honestly I wish they would come back
Americans: “bUt mUh fREEdOm!”
Wow! This is amazing.
They should focus more on school design then prisons
Yea they do they have the best education in the world and u know why BC they dont use the same as everyone where one test determines your Int
Prison should be about rehabilitation not punishment.
Which is exactly what Scandinavian prisons are all about.
A teacher I had once worked in prison. She met the love of her life during that time, someone who was convicted of robbery-murder in 2004 (sentenced to life imprisonment). However, he was not guilty and was released 30th May 2017, after which the two moved together. He was awarded 18 million SEK (roughly $1.92 million) as compensation
@@ZhadTheRad That is really nice ! Probably the only country to give a compensation in that kind of situation. In other countries it's like "well, we imprisoned you for 17 years and we just found out you were innocent. My bad, have a good day"
Zhadow Storm Gaming - wow that’s a story!! I’m glad he was released 😊
Never thought about that 🤔
Cue Halden's Unit C8 (for addiction recovery).
Went down to the comments expecting loads of toxicity, super glad to see (almost) everyone really supportive of these prison designs!
97% inmates who go out of their prisons never makes another crime again.
No one can argue against facts.
Now in comments many people against it :/
Instead of punishing them with harshness and pretty much every human right taken away, we’re punishing them with the confinement. While it’s nice, sometimes the inmates would like to go places and see things. It’s a good place to live, but it isn’t perfect.
This is better because since the inmates won’t hate the system they won’t commit crimes out of pettiness of the system being so inhumane.
If only the United States would focus on rehabilitation rather then punishment, less crime would occur in the country and less prisoners would reoffend and return to prison.
norway is literally so ahead of the rest of the world... we've all still got a lot to learn
america
Which country are you from
for sure bro I'm sure the baby seals would agree
Northern europe*
Dean2469 well they’re great and all but Norway really takes the cake here
This is actually an amazing idea. If something feels nicer and calmer, the atmosphere will be too. No tension, better rehabilitation for the inmate. This could drop crime rates, ofc crime will never stop bc there are always those ppl, but if we treat ppl in a more humane way then we can help with the crime rate
@25Samuel Metras then say ok officer take me to the resort for attempt of robbery
i don't like this at al(`·_·′)
Alfonso Batungbacal why
"this could drop crime rates"
Making prisons like hotels would lessen the discouragement of crime in the first place.
But if its so nice why would you not do a crime to be sent here
Me and the boys stealing a lampost to go on a 3 year vacation
Well after seeing the spectacular design of the Halden Prison, I guess support humane prison design is an great idea and having fresh air is in an prison like Halden is fantastic. Norway is brilliant.
criminals leaving the prison shouldn't be criminals anymore.
that should be the target of a punishment system.
No, they should be strictly punished !
Prisons used to labour camps for re-education into society. Now they are sweet hotel rooms that would rathe encourage people to commit crimes and give extremists a chance to write a biography like "Mein Kampf" !
The Purpose of a Prison always was to Punish who disobeyed the law and if the west continues their "freedom" trip then anarchy will catch them, resulting in a much stronger system actually resulting to rationalism and NOT emotion !!!
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 That does not work very well in USA and many other countries... In Norway it is rare that a released prisoner will continue making crimes. In USA really many people have been in prison multiple times...
@@Pehmokettu isn't it the goal for the US to reduce the number of ex-convicts repeating the same crime? And isn't that a good thing?
I believe it should depend on the crime, if someone stole something, without assaulting anyone, the focus should to have the prisoner serve their time and learn their lesson, and then be released to a changed person. If someone is a serial rapist, or child molester, then that probably shouldn’t be the focus.
@@evilqueen09 if you don't give a rapist therapy to reduce the chance he will do it again... You know what will happen..
Rapist are crazy, punishment isn't often gonna cut it by itself.
I works with a former prisoner, who have 4 years in prison in Norway. Today he is working and have his own apartment. All people at my work loves this guy. In Norway, prisons are treated so well, so if u have a health issue like hart attack during working as guard , its highly like prisons will do their best to save guards life. I presume prisoners will love to see a guard dead in the worst prisons in USA
This is really smart and I hope that this can be the new standard
Judge: Suspect is not guilty and let free
Suspect: No, IM GUILTY!
Look At your toenails. Lol
@Arthur De Souza
suspect: see? I am guilty. Now give me rehabilitation please.
@@tryomamaJudge: you will be sent to an American Prison for your actions
@@miniatureben3558 suspect: wait......WHAT?!
@@chnsw8839 Suspect: *Runs out*
Me : Bruh this isnt prison
Police : shut up and get in
More like. Police: *would you plz go inside*
@@no-gracias9863 Inmate: Why wouldnt I?
Job Cloudy haha
Nah bro, they greet you with a smile and a handshake
More like
Guards: Your time has been served you need to leave
Inmate: Noooooooooo! 😭
This video makes me wanna study architecture in Norway
Treating the criminals better than the poor and the homeless
I imagine a prisoner going like
“Yeah 5 stars 10/10 would commit crime to bet here again”
No need to commit crimes, if you are jobless in Norway, you get social support to live in a decent appartment.
Hosislo where is the individual input? You are given everything.
@@neitherlink6612 Here in the Nordic countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland) the crime rate is very low and that is because we have very good benefits for the unemployed people. No one has to do crimes to survive. But of course if you want more luxury to your life it is good idea to get a job. Life with just unemployment benefits can be very dull.
@@neitherlink6612 Well, if you are fit to work you need to register as a jobseeker to recieve financial support. Also the system is designed to always give you more money if you work than if you recieve financial support from the state.
Yes, but you eliminate the fear of having no job, and by doing so you eliminate a great incentive for people to do a good job and improve and scale in positions other than just wanting more money, since the higher you are in the ladder the harder it will be for you to loose your job.
If I lived in a place like this for years, by the time i get out i want to work hard enough to get a place of my own thats just as nice.
Litterally no one else would do that
@@AnrichBrooks Reminder that the US is not the only nation to exist
@ Amanomiya Jun exactly. I hate it when Americans act like America is the only nation to ever exist
@@tick6362 Im South African.I didn't say I was American.I referred to South Africa and all the other nations who won't spend millions more on criminals.I find it insulting being called an American.
@@AmanomiyaJun maybe if you stopped to actually think,you would realize that I wasn't referring to America
"How Norway does basically anything better than any country"
@Sara Crouch and the US doesn't?
@Sara Crouch yes but the US is singled out for this video.
“How Norway takes advantage of it’s oil money to make itself seem superior to the US when in reality it is dying”
@@Hwje1111 FYI Norway invests significantly more in non-conventional green energy with its oil money than the U.S with its profits per capita so it seems they're living not dying
@@Hwje1111 Norway is superior to the US...
It’s the way that this prison is way nice than all the schools in my district
Norway: We are changing our prisons!
Prisoner that was let out 1 week ago : You gotta be kidding....
Prisoner: commits another crims
Norway: Free collages and humane prisons actually helping society.
United States: *I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that.*
@Benjamin Carter Yes, everyone is a human. Even criminals. Criminals don't just go to prison, they are fined too. The families of victims get money often to help. However if you wish upon someone else to have their rights stripped of them, you are no better. Just because the prison doesn't look like a shithole doesn't mean it isn't effective. It's more effective than most prisons in the world. Well the only prisons with no reoffenders at all are death-row but Norway has minimal re-offenders.
Also many who kill are ailed with mental health issues and often end up in mental hospitals.
There is always a reason behind someone's actions. And note, you said all criminals are cold blooded and ruthless... So that includes those who get parking fines for staying a few minutes over their ticket time. Nice. _Perfectly sound_
Captain Dani most people who end up killing people don’t get mental help, they get the death penalty... also how does wanting someone’s rights stripped away make you less human? That man just shot or stabbed your son/daughter to death, if anything I don’t even want him to get released from a jail, electric chair or chemical death for him,
@@dankusfrankus6152 "death penalty" doesn't exist in most modern countries.
Dankus Frankus haha death penalty was made illegal in most modern countries, you sound dumb
@@dankusfrankus6152 Ah yes, the USA and most middle easten countries finally have something in common: Death Penalties. Nothing wrong with that, but the sound logic of killing people for killing to show that killing people is wrong is an endless, but very very 'sound logic.' To strip someone's human rights away is actually a crime in itself, so figure that one out. What makes a human being special is their humanity. By being inhumane you are no longer human, stripped of your humanity.
Sure, if my son or daughter was murdered I would probably... Or should probably grieve but knowing me I'll end up calling like an animal defence lawyer cause someone shot my cat but regardless, there's no point in lowering yourself to the level of the murderer who clearly isn't right in the head. And what if it was in self-defence? What if your child was hurting them? What if your child was in the wrong? They're dead but what if they barely survived it but the victim is scarred for life and then, your child is sentenced to death? What then?
You seemed pretty adamant about protecting this hypothetical child of yours. Don't just say you wouldn't care because "that's different" because a parent will always feel something for their child. Often they question themselves because they brought that child up. So if your child did that, your anger would be self aimed because as a parent, you never saw that your child needed help and you let it go too late.
You'd want them to have a chance to get better rather than staring at a cold concrete wall in a broken system.
Humane prisons are effective because they focus on the original idea of law enforcement regulations of allowing criminals to rehabilitate.
I thought prison was about rehabilitation. Shouldn't we design prisons with that philosophy in mind?
That's so right. Thanks so much for the info...
I always thought that this is a great idea, but would only work in very well developed countries. Try this in America, and half of the population will want to be in prison.
As a kid, I spent my summers at Soviet summer camps, they were generally enjoyable, but knowing I couldn't leave easily made them a little less pleasant. I can imagine how these prisons are still prisons, and as a normal human being you wouldn't want to be in one.
PseudoSarcasm true, but a prison (in normale advanced country) is a place where people can be re-educated on the way the sould behave in the world, a second chances.
People seem to think that prisoners in these facilities spend their days lazing about and wasting time like some sort of holiday resort. That is not the case. There are rules and responsibilities just like in real life. They work and study, their meals are given at set times, there is scheduled leisure time and they go to sleep and wake up on command like in other prisons etc. Not upholding these responsibilities means that you get stripped of privileges and can even mean having your sentence extended or being sent back to more traditional prisons. All the while you don't get payed anything and you don't have the freedom to move outside of the facility. If you're going to do all that anyway then you might as well do it on the outside where you'll be able to actually benefit from your work and make life better for yourself and those you care about. There isn't really much incentive to keep committing crimes so that you can get locked up and "enjoy" the living conditions.
@@Fraggr92 That sounds exactly like the Soviet summer camps.
You must be talking from a standpoint of someone with a nice house and a nice job.
I'm pretty sure there are at least a billion people who would love to be in that jail.
@@PseudoSarcasm I have neither of those and yet i still don't want to end up in prison. Sure, if you have a large percentage of your population living below the poverty line then that might become a problem, which is why it's important to also work on other aspects of society at the same time to make sure that people can have jobs and live decent lives on the outside without resorting to crime. The point is not to shower prisoners in luxury, the point is to make prison conditions as similar to real world conditions as possible. Norway just happens to have pretty high standards of living so this is what you end up with. In countries with lower standards of living you might not have all the fancy stuff but the underlying principle would be the same - to not treat prisoners like animals and to focus on rehabilitation before punishment in an effort to reduce crime.
@@Fraggr92 Read my original comment and tell me how this will work in Africa.
This video shows how vital architecture is to mental health. It's the most underrated sphere of art in the world.
mental health? oh sure im verry concerned about the mental health and well being of the CRIMINAL
just like im certain the criminal cared verry deeply about the mental impact of his shirt when he beat up that shop keeper while he robbed him
or how the decoration and furnishings of the room could create a calming vibe and promote possitive mental wellbeing for the person he just kidnapped and is holding captirve in his basement
Yeah developing countries (like mine) have terrible architecture which really does have an impact my mental health.
@@Sarge92 you should be when sentence is done. He contiues to be a CRIMINAL. Or maybe you rehab and when he gets out, he stops being a CRIMNAL.
Prisoners in Norway having better view out the window than i ever had is really upsetting.
The existence of this prison makes me happy
* Goes to Norway *
* Sees Norwegian prisons *
*Well, time to commit a felony.*
They would deport you back to your home country
gets deported back into an US prison. getting stabbed* dies...
It's pretty sad that you put that little value on your freedom
@@CP-dd8hk what's a freedom?
@@CP-dd8hk Freedom is overrated. Give me a library, a tiny private room and i'm happy. I doubt most people even use their "freedom" they just go to work/shopping then back home sleep and repeat (that includes me) Those prisons look like they give more freedom then an average citizen by forcing the prisoner to go take a stroll or read a book or smth. A freedom most people dont have because of backbreaking work.
The more i learn about Norway, the more I want to move there...
They have lowest work hour Btw
its a lot more expensive to live there, but at the same time, you get paid more, the government provides you with a lot of support, and overall people are more happy there
It's in the top 3 most expensive countries to live in.
the weather will make you depressed
@@Akei51 HAHHA, true it rains here all the time
This comes back to understanding the fundamental function of prison and human psyche.
What prisons are for? - to isolate some people, in purpose to prevent dangerous stuff from happening to general population.
What happens after they leave the prison? - they come back to general population.
Now, do we want these people to want to be part of society, or do we want them to hate the world around them?
If we show them there is a better way to live, if we teach them goodness, many of them will change and be better as part of society.
On the other hand if we treat them with punishments, we just make them hate the social system even more, and so they'll just keep doing "their own stuff".
People aren't born good or bad - it's the experience that shapes our behavior, and so I think we should help these people to see that there is a better way to live.
Personally I think Norway is doing the right thing, it's something that should happen long ago already around the world. So keep up the good work Norway and show other countries how it's done! The data doesn't lie! : )
Got out of juvy last month, and our prison was so nicely made - Denmark
I think prison should be more like school. Instead of being isolated for your crime. Be educated to become a better person.
That's the idea in Norway. Learn a job that benefits you when you get out. Learn how to be a member of society. Even learn how to care for other people. The philosophy is completely different from US.
Theristus Daniel That wasn’t my logic behind it, but sure.
@@alexhartline5707 this should tell you something about the whole idiology
@@alexhartline5707 That's because they're indoctrination centers.
Knifepoint King video Agreed :D
When Science and humanity are at the core of policy making
Humanity ? would you personally give hundreds of dollars to built similar prisons? Or are you just "humane" with other people's money?
Is it human to spend the money that could pay cancer treatment, for example, in losers that only hurt society? No. The money is better off spent in public health and education.
You're not actually paying it for the losers, you're paying it for the society you want to protect!
@@thrawn9115 Norway are now one best countries to live with low crime rates and surprisingly have great education for it's people, plus Norway is filthy rich so its their money to do so. At least Norway is much more way better than your country
zac blake are you American from the US? Our taxes pay to subsidize for profit prisons. We are already paying to support prisoners, but in terrible conditions for the financial benefit of a few. We have appointed judges all over this country who invest in some of these prisons! So what do you think is the best use of your tax dollars for your concern for humanity??
1:13 the chill of that dude
I already know people are gonna put _Visit Halden, Norway's prison_ into their bucket list.
Government: makes prison boring and uncomfortable.
Inmates: *attempts to escape*
Government: :O
I don't remember what country (I know it's somewhere in Europe tho), but in that country there is no punishment for attempting to escape prison. The philosophy is that it is a human trait to desire freedom. So it makes perfect sense and is totally normal that someone would want to escape prison. They're just doing what any person would do
@@jjurss7263 in the netherlands there is no punishment but you will get caught and send back to prison
@@jjurss7263 you mean germany. The act by it self is not punishable but who can escape without hurting someone or destroying thinks?
@@jjurss7263 A lot of western/northern european countries work by this philosphy. The escape attempt itself is not illegal. (though usually you have to break a few laws in an attempt. Which you will be charged for)
Muhammad Giandra I just want to say that “in comfortable” is not a word. The correct spelling is UNcomfortable. Hope this helps!
*This prison is better than my room.*
So true, they serve breakfast better than anything I could make.
icl this prison design is so much more effective when it comes to rehabilitation, which is the main purpose of a prison
This is amazing, this is true rehabilitation