Halden Prison Inmate Induction Process
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- POV video showing how a new inmate is received at Halden Prison in Norway. Correctional Officer Josteinn guides you through the process. Subtitles in English. This is extra footage from YLE's documentary "Breaking the cycle", where Jan Strømnes, deputy warden of Halden Prison, visits Attica Correctional Facility. Watch it here: • Breaking the cycle (ex...
Crew: Tomas Lindh, John Stark, Rasmus Tåg, Klosse Wistbacka.
Many thanks to Leif Henrik Askeland for assistance with the translation.
(C) Finnish Broadcasting Company YLE 2017
in cooperation with NRK
with support by Nordvision - บันเทิง
For clarification - the room shown at the very end of the video is not a cell, but rather a waiting room where the new inmate waits before being escorted to the living quarters.
and erm what was the poster of?
Shells?
John Stark if you dont work in the prison so not say sone!
John Stark are you the new inmate in the video?
This is easier than boarding a flight in the US
less chance of being beaten up too
Ikr XD
brilliant
Except that the Americans would not want to leave
But if you don't take your shoes off here, you don't get to leave.
This is a role model for the justice department world wide. Rehibilitation, rather than revenge and punishment.
Love and support wins.
Love and support doesn't work for everyone
This might just make people want to do crime to go back to living a decent place like this
@Birb Birbington whoa that's cool
“Am I returning prisoner?!? Hell yes I am!! I want my room back so I committed a crime in order to get back here. Now where’s the room service?”
Prevention is better than either rehab or punishment. You need a threat to prevent crime in the first place. Whether it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside or not, threats of retaliation do prevent crimes.
in america the people are too bad to get in prisons like this. they way of thinking of american criminal is so difrent than in europe. soo in america criminals are animals, so treath them like animals.
I live in Halden. Like to add that in town the prison got a small shop where they sell various products they produce in their shop. Stuff like wooden rocking horses, small cabinets, wooden stools, etc.
Jarl S are you a inmate or a guard?
Lolmasterchris Halden is a city
Fredrik Schanche halden prison is a pricon
Lolmasterchris but when Jarl S says he lives in Halden i assume that he lives in the city, dont think a prisoner would be able to watch yt
Prisoners do have access to the internet and computers.
"Your clothes have some metal I will have to scan you"
I think it might be the camera on his head, mate
Eh, just following the procedure.
Probably acting
They can actually tell at which height it detected something when you walk through it. Also, pro tip: walk through it quick and it won't detect shit.
Source: Me, I've worked at many different prisons.
Thanks
J B They probably acted like the body had a watch or something
I would honestly love to see more of this facility, I'm very intruiged by how people are looked at and treated here. Please do more.
Here are a couple of our videos regarding Halden prison:
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If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
5:41 Casually does parkour
This makes me tear up. These people, despite committing huge crimes, are still given good living conditions and opportunities in life so they can get back on track.
prisons in the US looks like a human zoo while prisons in Norway looks like a hotel.
(smirk) you must take a look of Nicaraguan prisons, people die in there
Looks more like a hospital than a hotel but ok
Arod Rojas people die in the US too.
People in the US and Canada are treated like animals as apposed to any European prisons who treat their inmates like humans and not property
I always wonder about that do you think it helps the prisoner rehabilitate ?
The difference between civilized nations and US. Wow
Cricket Classics Many things become easy to justify when held to standards that suit the argument. It’s a lot more important to ask what ethical standards you wish to hold yourself accountable to.
But while taking this context into consideration, it’s a question of being relative to your personal moral standards, instead to that of less-wealthy countries, often notorious for corruption and human rights violations.
So you think that US prisons are good enough, judged not by lesser-developed countries, but by your own moral beliefs?
@Cricket Classics Philippino prisons are still like 5 star hotels as compared to North Korea. Look at how they execute people's whole family for thinking the wrong thing. You wouldn't be complaining then.
Stupid argument is stupid.
You could always argue the point that most criminals in the U.S. are not very civilized and they take kind talk as a sign of weakness .
@Cricket Classics Yeah but the point is that the us is a western country that is still so uncivilized.
@Cricket Classics stfu
Im from the US and ive just got done watching Raphael Rowe in Halden Prison and just wanted to say that the prison gaurds are totally awesome and the prison has the right idea for rehabilitation and the place is the cleanest prison ive ever seen.
First time I've heard an American say the Norwegian prison system is good
@@MrMrRubic Go to Jackson,Michigan 3100 Cooper St.
That handshake at the beginning. Says it all. Respect.
You would NEVER see that in the US. Inmates are brought in being yelled at and shackled head to foot.
I'm sure that happens everywhere, this was done in a nice manner for the camera since it was just a reenactment. It's a prison, not a hotel and the inmates are not necessarily the best people.
@@reminiscer15 they actually do this just like in the video.
This is how a prison should be. Not a punishment, but a place for rehabilitation.
@Mar Ero Prison is for punishmente, period.
@Mar Ero Yes it is
@@compulsivecommenter990 why not both? Punishment and for rehebilation
@@m.shadows8123 No, just punishment rehabilitation is for pussies.
Do you really want that murderer who never got rehabilitated to be your neighbor? I sure don't.
Incoming "I want to comit a crime in Norway" comments
Yeah, and what those people don't seem to realise is that it is still a prison. Your freedom of movement is limited, you can't shop as you please, observe all your religious practices as you normally would, and extra obligations and requirements are placed on you. But if I had to go to prison, I would certainly want to be placed in a Norwegian prison rather than an American one.
Oh yes, of course.I wouldn't be any where else.
RIght, cuz the room at 3:20 isn't made of bare concrete and iron it must be awesome.
I can think of nothing more pleasant than to spend twenty years living in a 110 sq ft box.
People will argue that it's not painful enough for the prisoners if they have typical amenities that someone would have outside of prison.
_Each prison cell is 10 square metres (110 sq ft) and has a flat-screen television, desk, mini-fridge, toilet with shower, and unbarred vertical window ..._
The prison time is the punishment.
There is a parenting corollary. Parents often use "time out" to discipline their kids. The problem is that they then sit there and berate the child who is supposed to be sitting there reflecting for 5 or 10 minutes.
I'm not saying it would be pleasant. I'm just saying that it's a better way than what most other countries are doing.
I thought this was very obvious
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was emphatically agreeing and pointing out that sitting in a 110 sq ft box for twenty years is crap. No matter what color they paint the walls, and no matter what security measures are on the windows.
Proud of being norwegian
Proud of what? To have a "prison" where you problaby live better than you would do outside. They literally get awarded for comitting crime
@@fabijus5349 proud of living in such a good and well-developed country. Yes, it's not a prison where you don't get walls when you want to take a shit, but it's still a prison. They get the opportunity to learn new skills and act like people, so that when they get released they can be a part of the community again. Their punishments is not to take away all their rights, just one. The right for freedom. They cannot go where they want, they cannot just go the cinema. They are locked up for several years with their freedom severely limited. But they still have the right for privacy, right to be treated like people.
Sindre Kristiansen SAME 👍🏻
@@fabijus5349 where the hell do you live if what you saw is better than where YOU live?
@@Mostspecialusername never got the chance of making music or try out expensive guitars. Guess i'll need to commit a crime then
As U.S. Ex-con I think this Idea of a prison is great one, the thing about U.S. they said they are reformIng Inmate, but no such thing happen. What really happen is that our humanity is taking away and we are nothing but a number.
Krazy, what was your experience with other inmates and yourself. Do you think a lot of you became worse people getting out? I have the impression that people going into prison for minor things may end up as a lot worse people before they get out.
I have heard that the reason US prisons develop these dangerous prison gangs is because you feel so little safety there. You need somebody to have your back. Is that true in your experience? Do you think more guards and more humane guards would have reduced the desire to be in a gang?
@@povelvieregg165 Yeah I've heard that it's super common for prisoners to be worse coming out than they were going in. The whole thing about joining a gang out of fear is true since you never know when you'll be attacked. You can be killed over anything or no reason at all, join a gang or be killed, kill a rival gang member or be killed, snitch and you'll be killed even if snitching may put you on the good side of the corrections officers. There's no rehabilitation in prisons and any education and job opportunities provided is at the most basic level from my understanding.
when your school looks more like a prison than a prison
If this were the states he would have been beaten the second he entered the prison.
Normally the convict is beaten before he even gets to the prison.
Novusod
Yeah, that's the standard operating procedure. Beat them before they arrive so they'll get used to life inside!
IN A UGANDA PRISON HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A CANNIBAL's LUNCH ALREADY
this felt like a first peson pov game i loved it
"shake your hand" wow ....
The following translation was a little lenient, as he was actually saying "is it a fishbowl shake, or a firm, good shake?" referring to a canned product in Norway. There's no direct translation for "fiskebolle" that I can find. It's a food consisting of ground fish meat, milk, potatoflour and salt. The consistency of these are generally like firm jelly. They jiggle and flop around when handled and is generally not a positive term :p If your handshake is a "fiskebolle" shake, it's the kind of limp shake any interviewer hates.
@@jarlhenrik Fishball, not fish bowl.
@@thomasnorb4077 that'd be it.. phone autocorrect I didn't notice :p
Going to hospital in my country is worse than this :F
your country needs better hospitals.
Halden prison looks more like a hospital than a prison, it’s so clean
I'm Norwegian and even I am shocked on how "open? and welcome" the induction process is.... :O
Kickassdata they want to lead them into the right direction, not being too punished, so they can work when they get out. You can also study while you're inside to get a degree in whatever you want. Swedes system is kind of the same :)
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Kickassdata Tack John. Fruktansvärt bra videor!
Kul att du gillar, det uppskattar vi jättemycket!
skal si meg enig der, dem snakker til deg som et menneske, ikke som en autoritær dritt.
Norwegian prisons should have a tv program like Bondi Rescue
It would be so cool to see what everyday is like for inmates and guards in these prisons and what they're up to
Contrast this with the American way:
- First the convict(s) arrive in a group via small white van or bus and are often roughed up by the police before they even get to the prison.
- Then they are rushed into a processing facility where they are stripped down and given cavity searches.
- The convicts are sent to the showers and hosed down while the guards are screaming like mad drill sergeants.
- The new prisoners are issued an orange jumpsuit with their prison number, photographed, and given sheets for their bed.
- They are lined up and marched to their cells in carrying sheets in front of all the other inmates who screaming "fresh meat" while banging on the bars.
(Welcome to Hell)
Man, how good is Orange is the New Black, damn!
+viseberg
Prison Break too
You watch to much tv
Yeah it’s actually worse in real life
See this is why I think people would do anything crazy or violent to avoid prison in the US. Who the hell would want to get into that hell hole? In Norway arresting people tends to be a lot easier. We had an Afghan immigrant in my neighborhood who ran around with a gun and stabbed a guy. The police went after him with a helicopter. It is a lot of forrest where I live. However they got hold of is phone number. They just called him and convinced him to surrender. So he walked up to one of the streets about 5 minutes walk from where I live and sat down and waited for the police to pick him up. I think that is what you get, when people know there is not quite as much on the line being arrested. Yes it sucks, but it is not the end of your life. They know Norwegian police are friendly and wont beat him up.
I have seen many immigrants to Norway remark on this. They are used to brutal police from their home country and are afraid of meeting the police for the first time. Usually they are quite shocked by not getting beat up or intimidated by the police.
People with nothing to loose will do horrible things. I think you need to give people some hope, even people who have done quite some bad things, or they will likely do even worse stuff to avoid getting caught.
After checking in and brought to my cell, my heartrate was at 100-120 constantly for a few days.
Its not as easy as it might seem. I still, to this date, do the very same things i did during mornings and evenings behind bars and i only did one year in a class 2.
There was this loud air conditioner in a wall that sounded all the time when in my cell, i cant sleep without that sound so im using a very loud deskfan that makes weird tick noises in order to sleep.
"I'll come back and get you in 20 minutes ..."
21 years later ... in a cell with a broken toilet ...
So cruel Norway - so cruel ...
The strip search is vaguely similar to that of any North American prison except done with dignity.
How is it different in the US? Are they intentionally trying to make you feel bad?
@@povelvieregg165 you should watch a video on the US strip search some are in groups. The North American have to squat and cough and spread the cheeks where you guys just get the clothing and have an officer watch and one at a time. You look at Los Angeles county jail the inmates are strip searched an large groups with some as large as 150 inmates spreading the cheeks at a time. Your guys strip searches look like they are done in a much humane and quieter area which is an awesome way to not upset the inmate. If we were to take what is done in Scandinavia and apply it to the North American judicial system then we would have a much better outcome for when the inmate is ready for release
@@annetteslife Wow that is like treating people like animals. Why? Is the whole point to just humiliate and degrade people? Is this just seen as some sort of bonus?
Also seems a bit counterproductive for the prison itself. Why would you want the prisoners to hate the people who run the prison?
If I was a guard, I would want people to know that I will be nice as long as you are nice. And if you are not nice, well it isn't totally game over. You have a chance to redeem yourself.
NORWAY.BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
true I hope one day to visit norway I hope 🌷
5:42 I like the CO slid over the desk.
All countries must take example !!!
Is this the Norway Hilton?
Some say he never got out because he wanted to stay
Norway... well that explains everything.
15-20 min?! I would ask for wifi and an ipad
The officer didn't notice the camera glued to your nose. =)
So... Do offenders in Norway come to the prison themselves and aren't brought there by police?
In Indonesia, corrupt officials can have this kind of prison
Alternative title: Welcome to heaven!
okay but ive been in a mental hospital and its all pretty much the same up on till 4:00
Where's part 2?
That is such a high level of trust, respect and law system, that in Russia it woudn't even be close in 100 years. Thank you for showing it. I wonder how criminals like Anders Breivik are treated there. Isn't there too much freedoms for a person who violated the basic rights to live of 50+ people?
He is treated as a person.
His mistake is wanting to be with the gen. pop that is not going to go well.
violence is a real thing even in norwegian prisons, and he would NOT last long before crying for isolation....trust me on this hehe
The reason you are at prison is because you are a threat to others. As Anders has continued to announce that he would be violent to minorities, he is not deemed safe enough to release. His official sentence is 21 years, subject to extension up to 5 times (though few live 125 years).
He's treated very badly, last year he even had to go on a hunger strike because the bastards only gave him a PS3 instead of a PS4.
No, I'm not joking, that actually happened.
Sacremas wait what
I was being sarcastic with the 'treated very badly' and 'bastards' bit; most Norwegians think he's being treated way too nicely, few would want torture or anything approaching it but when he goes on a hunger strike to get his PS3 updated to a PS4, that kinda rubs even the extreme liberals a bit of the wrong way considering what he did.
This is how prisoners should be treated. Still using old fashioned prison cells is staggering.
0:59 nice tray
The part when he said there's a chapel. That hit me. That's so great. Prisoner need the gospel. I just loved that.
Prisons in the USA have them as well, most likely at the minimum and medium security prisons. Doubt they would have them at the maximum and supermax prisons, too much of a risk.
my name is halden
Thus, this is better in environment of my office. My one is typical tall buildings and located in enclosed downtown. While this one has better in community and environment as I can do anything I wanted. While my office has stupid places to pain in my ass with.
This is heaven compare to Madagascar Prison...
The fact you can Live a Nicer life as a prisoner In Norway, as opposed to a working class Citizen of the US who works full time very hard and still doesn’t live a very Good life because costs of living are too high and US prioritizes non stop advancement and endless Productivity over health, time, and Family is quite sad. I wish to see a change, but I fear it is too late.
THE TX ROSE the cost of living in Norway is higher than in the US, but the wages are also higher. I think that Norway is probably the most expensive country to visit.
This is a prison induction? It looks more like checking yourself into a psychiatric hospital. I'm in the US.
What? What did just happen?
If this is a maximum security prison, how are they walking into the prison voluntarily? There's got to be a different way for the dangerous ones.
That's the point. Give them just enough freedom that they don't try to escape.
This isn't prison compared to other countries.
This is a prison in civilized countries. Where the prison system is conceived to turn criminals into normal members of society whenever possible. Not a modern day slave state like the US where even the pettiest crime turns a citizen into a slave property of rich corporations.
It's just a weirdly oversecure housing estate to them
just toured a county jail and I can guarantee that it was an extremely similar induction process, at least in my area
USA prison should be a little more friendly towards the prisoners.
Asian in Norway no shit
Prisoners should be a little more friendly towards their fellow man before they enter prison.
Be friendly to murders yah bud
Jorge Mayancela others country’s are so what’s the issue
This is the reason that norweigan reoffending rates are like 20% compared to 77% in the US.
Norway has huge reserves of gas and oil that it can export. All the procedes are then kept in adoberign wealth fund. I wonder if the citizens of Norway pay for lavish prisons of oil anf naturaal gas reserves dried up.
The answer is yes, Norway continues as usual.
I'm a bit lazy, so I use an old answer, if you have any questions, just ask.
You don't need to watch the video.
How should the wealth in a country be distributed, is Norway doing the right thing? Or.........
Why Every Norwegian is a Millionaire. 10.44
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Just a little clarification, he says a government spends about 20% of oil money in an annual budget and that is true. But the correct thing is that the government can use a maximum of 3% of the return in its annual budget. So 97% of the return goes back to the fund.
So that means when Norway one day stops depositing oil/gas money, the fund will of course continue.
So "flott" means good? xD In my (swiss) dialect we say the same (it means neat) xD
Jupp, neat or great are both good translations
or nice
Tomatowitharifle That's "snill" but it can also be "flott"
good to know! now I know swiss :) Flott!
I didn't watch all the way through, how long into the video where you show the sauna?
You are mistaking the norwegian prison for the finnish one.
*_laughing in a sauna_*
The jail is better than our school.
debunks that a&e prison show Scared straight.
Your name is Jonn Snow! You're not fooling me jk
Please do more on religion as well. Loved that episode
Why do u need religion
i want to be a prisoner pls
I do like and appreciate the way prisoners are treated in these facilities but I would think it would prove difficult when intake can be 100 men at a time ..,. American prisons can have several hundred coming in a day ..... but I do think we would see a turn for the better after some time if we did do things more humane....., but I also think that turn would take years to achieve
The Norwegean system doesn't have that many sentences a day to begin with, so this isn't a problem in Norway. Also, this video is supposed to make you think about how justice and criminal corrections are done differently, not to implement everything one on one, as you yourself point out.
Reminds me of a psych ward
ill bet prison staff are paid better here than in US
Halden fengsel er et bra fengsel.
Halden prison are a good prison.
Problaby biggest joke of a prison ever
Noob grammar: *are*
@@fabijus5349 You haven't seen prisons in the US before. Most US prisons are incredibly intimidating and people are treated like animals. Halden prison is basically heaven and down-to-earth.
I think you guys should work on a drug episode.
One of the main problems with the US prison system is the war on drugs. It has been used to marginalize and control populations in the US.
The dynamics of it are simple. When segregation ended, the war on drugs was started. It put more police in black neighborhoods. At the time, it was legal for banks to discriminate based on race. So entire areas would be blocked from access to the legitimate financial system. Another factor that exacerbated the problem was that black professionals left the black neighborhoods when they were "allowed" to have the freedom to do so.
A good demonstration of the difference in where you live in the US- I live in an urban upper middle class area in a single family home. My daughter is surprised when she sees a police car. It's nearly unheard of to even see a police car or a police officer on foot within a mile or so.
Yet I can drive to a different neighborhood that is ten minutes from me, and I will see police all the time.
www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/
Report: Aide says Nixon's war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies
It is a very complex problem the US has that doesn't have one easy fix. An attitude and systematic change from top to bottom is needed. Criminals in the US are constantly punished, even after they have served their sentence, not even being allowed to vote or economically discriminated. That makes it very hard to reintegrate into honest society when you are blocked at every turn.
Right. Felon disenfranchisement? I can think of nothing that makes LESS sense that taking the voting privileges away from someone who you are releasing back into the community.
They're releasing people back into the community, and as a further punitive measure tacked on their sentence, they strip them of one of the most significant and most basic rights a citizen has in a democracy.
Thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it. Hope to be able to make a drug episode some day!
That is the punishing treatment that we are talking about, even after they have served their sentence. And we are talking about voting rights, the cornerstone of a democracy, not about gun ownership. And of course violent criminals shouldn't won guns, just as convicted pedophiles are not allowed to work with children, I am not arguing against that.
Your argument is silly.
You pick pedophiles because they are an "indefensible" group of people. It's a cowardly way to make a point.
You are saying that if someone was convicted for some crime, then it is wrong to allow them to vote on issues that have to do with that crime. This is supposed to support the idea that taking voting rights is a legitimate means of punishing someone past their sentence.
If someone is convicted of tax evasion, they should not longer vote on taxes?
If someone is convicted of refusing to go to the service if they are drafted, they shouldn't be able to vote on military issues?
5:40. :)))
Looks better than explained by actual prisoners but i'm guessing that's because i would get to leave.
Is this not how it should be, at least for people who are violent offenders? I mean the punishment is imprisonment, the whole point is to take away your freedom as the punishment, not what America does, that seems cruel and stupid.
If taking away your freedom isn't enough to punish someone, this could be a clear sign that people are not that free to begin with, and merely taking it away doesn't change enough.
palerider957 and also breeds more crime and reoffenders so the American system is ineffective but idk how they implement in more crime ridden america
Haven't Halden Howard Hentai Haven't
I'm Norwegian and i'm shook.
hi , anyone here from Norway
yup! :)
That police officer has a long neck
This guy out here looking like a vanilla count olaf
he was wearing underwear so clearly this is fake.. they check much more thoroughly than that. Believe me!
That was on just for the video.
What about trandum jail in Norway it's immigration jail they treat peaple like animal there
Yes I think they should so a bigger variety of prisons in Norway. Halden is given a bit of false sense of what prison is like in Norway in general.
Trandum is not legally a prison, it's an internment camp for foreigners in transit. They're all waiting to be deported. It's very similar to a prison, but not meant for punishment/rehab. Prison is very different from jail.
People who think this actually stops criminals from reoffending live in a fantasy world lol
in Norway it does stop criminals from reoffending, most of the times. This will not work in countries where corruption is high.
Take a look at Norway's recidivism rate and compare it to any other country that in your opinion has a better prison system. You could compare it with your own country, fantasy land.
Ignorant people like you think bad prisons stops criminals. The facility is not what prevents crime, it's the treatment they receive, education/training, and social support.
20 % of NorweigN go back.
this is just an act
The homeless might rather kill someone and come there.
Then dont have homeless - we dont.
So you're actually saying that there are no homeless people in Norway? If that's so. Why have i seen beggars outside stores and people sleeping with sleepingbags under stairs?
In Norway i think that the few homeless actually kinda choose to live like that
Rishal
we are not stupid in Norway though
@S T Democracy in Switzerland. In Norway and US - Elective Aristocracy.
@@snefokk_i_heiene While i don't doubt that there are some genuine homeless, many beggars in Norway are traveling beggars / roma looking for a payday.
"As a maximum-security prison, it hosts dangerous as well as highly dangerous criminals, such as rapists, murderers, and child molesters. They compose half of the population, while a third of the residents are drug offenders. Sex offenders, who may face violence from other inmates" -wikipedia
So people that stay in this "hotel" possibly a culprit of a murder or a rape case, i think its a good idea to give them a more humane behaviour but for spoiling them is not a really good way to do it. They could just make a normal prison but with more friendly guard. cut off the music and the entertainment but give them a way to learn new thing and educate them. Makes the building not to shabby but not this "glamorous".
Imagine youre a family from a murder victim and youre seeing the culprit living they best live on this kind of prison. After all, the main point of prison is to punish bad people.
You're used to low standards, because this is not luxury to Norwegians. This is a little below the standard of most homes. No, the main point of prison is not to punish, you obviously have no idea about justice or the prison system in Europe. Rehabilitation and restorative justice are the keywords here.
@@thomasnorb4077 @Thomas Norbø first of all im sorry if i was born in a third world country where this kind of facility is so luxury in my environment 🙂
I watched the other documentary about this prison and found out that prisoner that stayed in this place are from around the world (cmiiw) and one of the example is a murderer from brazil (a country thats not really used to this luxury i would say) so this might spoiled a prisoner from outside the norway
Im not saying that rehabilitation and restorative are a wrong way to educate a criminal, i think *thats the best way* to make criminal a better person (torturing and depressing them is just wrong) but we shouldnt spoiled them (ex: they have a fridge full of foods, in their cell they have their own tv and they have the key to their own cell) i think thats just unnecessary
Sorry for the long thread tho hope this will change your way of thinking about my argument :)
Fun facts about the Norwegian reoffending rate statistics:
Violence: 60%
Theft/Robbery: 75%
Drugs: 50%
Doesn't seem that your prison-hotels do much good Norway.
Source: www.nrk.no/norge/norge-er-ikke-bedre-pa-tilbakefall-1.8055256
@_SilverArrow_xxx The person interviewed in the article is a scientist who works for Norway's official statistical bureau: Statistics Norway.
In essence, what he says in the interview is that the media and politicians most often use the two-year reoffending numbers instead of looking at the reoffending statistics after five years, which is what most other countries do. This makes the reoffending statistics look much lower in Norway compared to other countries, because they most often quote the two-year numbers.
He goes on to say that if you look at the reoffending statistics after the type of crimes people are convicted for (drugs, violence etc.) in reoffending rates in a 5 year-period, Norway's reoffending statistics are almost as high as the reoffending statistics in USA in many cases.
Also, almost 30% of all people sentenced to prison in Norway, are sentenced for traffic offences, and most of them only serve one term in prison, which have an affect on the overall reoffending rate statistics.
I would be LIVID if the murderer of my family member was sent to this prison with MY taxes! In fact I’d be a criminal myself making sure he doesn’t get this luxury ... and I’d end up a murderer myself before he got the luxury resort this prison offered.
In No country is it up to the individual to decide the punishment of the offender. Although logically strong punishment should in itself work as a deterrent, facts show otherwise. The U.S has some of the longest prison sentences in the world with no limit to how long a individual can be kept in isolation. Other countries like in the middle-east they chop limbs off. One should expect a 0 murder rate or criminal rate, but its not. It just shows that offenders will go even further and become more extreme. Or you can just do as China , shoot the offender, and report a 0 criminal rate or whatever number the party wants you to. My point is, countries practising this has zero interest in rehabilitation, many of them are extremely corrup, leaving the harsh punishment for the poorest and the"common man". Its up to what kind of society one wants, and that almost anyone can with some work and help become a productive member of society