All the way into the late 1970's my great uncle farmed with a pair of row crop 66 tractors. The big tractor was a super 88. There is nothing quite like the sound of that super 88 pulling hard. They wouldn't replace anything unless it broke beyond repair. That never came up with those Oliver tractors.
Grew up with a 2050 on the farm (Along with a 55, 77, 1600, 1755 and later a 2-135) . It was really something to hear you start yours, it brought back some memories. Beautiful job on the 1650! And get this - Devine's was where my Dad got most of his tractors! I'll ask around on the 2150.
growing up on my grandfather's farm in upstate n.y he had a oliver 2150 an a Allis chalmers 220 at same time a worked together breaking ground. I wish I had them today two great powerful tractors. the Allis had more lug power barely but oliver never had a issue ever. As time went on got traded for 7080 Allis Chalmers an a 7045 Allis which were good tractors but nothing like 2150 or 220. great memories
Great videos! My dad and grandfather farmed for years with Oliver’s and whites. I grew up with the whites and we now run New Holland’s. We still have a bunch of restored ones around including a purple 1850 we did up a few years ago. We also have a low hour 6175 we still use once in a while. Keep them coming on up into the 55’s and whites!
Thanks for the video. I really enjoy all the history that you share about the tractors. I have 1850 short wheel base row crop, and 1950 short wheel base row crop. Neither retired still working. Ground a load of corn with the 1950 yesterday.
My Grandfather has a 1950-T. The 1950-T replaced a 1800. I used to cultivate with that tractor for days. I seem to remember it was a large tractor for the time. I it had fuel in the vendors, it could carry a lot of fuel.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris what's not like for a farmhand of many years. Never to old to learn about tractor's and equipment. Plus somebody that is enjoyable to watch and see all his toy's, ii mean tractos.
Really enjoyed this video on the 50 series tractors. They seem to be the most common in our collection. Just recently bought a parts 1850 and I am going to use that rear end on our good 1850 it was cheaper then buying all the parts and bearings we need. Thanks again for the great videos
Thanks for the walk around on the 50's series. A friend has a 1950 he had me drive for him from the shop. He kept saying give it more throttle in the road gear. Didn't feel right pushing it over 2250 so I took my sweet time getting it back. Didn't like the wandering at any higher speed. Wasn't in that much of a rush to lose control of it.
Love this video series chris. I always liked the look of the 50 series Oliver’s. I drove a 1650 for years and years on the farm. Keep up the good work!
I grew up in up state NY the town of Peru. I work on a small farm and my boss had a 2150 4x4 and a 1850 Oliver. Which part of up state NY did you buy it at. The first time they put me on a tractor it was on the 2150 with a 6 bottom plow. I was so excited to finally get on a tractor. Little did I know how long it took to plow a 50 acre field In 2nd gear. I use to envy the farms that had tractors with cabs with a/c . It would get hot in the summer with an open station tractor with all that steel sucking up the sunshine. It was hot as hell . Looking back I now miss it. I hate to say it but we also had a Ford 9000 and that was the best tractor we had. It all ways started year round. We never had to wrench on it. I always like the Ford more. My chore tractor was a 9n Ford. I drove that thing around like a car at 13. The good old days
Really enjoy youre videos, Love seeing the old Olivers putting in work and enjoy watching farm and field work in general. My grandfather restored a Oliver 60? I think it was when i was little it had cultivators on it and I remember riding around with him on that to cultivate the gardens....good memories, we had to sell it when he passed away but I did get to keep his Massey ferguson industrial 20 and I love using that
Great sounding engine in that 2050 Oliver! Would really like to hear it with a straight pipe Chris! Thanks sooo much for the great videos of those old Olivers!
GREAT VIDEO! You're like an Oliver encyclopedia. How could anyone, much less 8 people hit the thumbs down on this. I just don't get it. Thanks for posting !
Lots of great history. Nice to find out. I spent a lot of time riding on the fender like you described on my uncle’s 1600 Probably it would freak a lot of people out these days!
The GM two strokes are very good at turning fuel into noise and leaking oil. That said, they’re hard to kill. I was told that you need to run them like you’re trying to blow them up lol.
I recently was reading that the timing of these has the injector starting to spray before the exhaust valves are fully closed. So idling around with them will get them wet stacking. They were designed to be run wide open.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris My understanding of Detroits was that long periods of idling or light loading will cause oil to pass the rings and build up in the manifolds as carbon. When the engine gets heavily loaded and the manifolds heat up, the carbon makes for interesting light shows coming out the exhaust stack....... Worked for a railroad in my early years, got to run 16v567 and 16v645 GM/EMD diesels. Because they ran straight water as coolant, they idled all day and night, which could build up quite a bit of oil and carbon in the manifolds. Then, when you got them on a run where they spent a good half hour or longer at full throttle, oh, the spark shows out the stacks.........
Neighbor down the road has a 1550 diesel utility with the high speed gear and the underhood muffler. It was bought new in the family, and I'm pretty sure it has clocked over 10k twice. Used to grind feed with it in the 60s and 70s got tired of driving down the road between barns at a "creeping" pace😂
You definitely have a lot of NICE tractors!!! The places we used to ride with dad!! Now days dad would go to jail for taking us along. But it would be fine to leave us at home alone...
Crazy huh? If dad came in the house after school and saw us watching TV, he'd say "well aren't we the height of ambition!" and then find something for us to do.
I was at the HPOCA Summer get together in Mt. Pleasant Iowa 2013 ( I think) the head engineer on the purple tractor project gave a talk about that program. It was very interesting.
We had an 1850 front assist before my time. The second owners had a barn fire and it got totalled, so I know I won't ever get that one back, but would like to have one someday.
Such a wealth of Oliver knowledge. There was a lot of "scratching" and "creaking" in the audio from handling the camera. Maybe some kind of isolating handle might help. Yeah I know, pretty nit-picky but thought I would mention it.
There’s a 2150 2wd for sale in Pennsylvania and a 1850 FWD for sale in New York I saw them on Facebook marketplace seems like it would interest you and great video by the way can’t wait for part 6
Nice video and nice set. I worked on the Purdue farm in west Lafayette and went from childhood 00 and 50 series with no hydraulic brakes to the 55 series at Purdue with the hydraulic brakes. What a change. With to 2050 and 2150 being 4x4 I am sure it I’d hard to tell how the mechanical brakes work compared to a two wheel drive. I drove similar year John Deere and IH 100 hp and they had power brakes and I could not understand why Oliver waited so long for better brakes and steering for that matter. Be interested in your thoughts??
There's a few things that Oliver was behind on that make me scratch my head. Differential lock is one. I think that was an oversight designing the 1800 and 1900 in the late 1950s, and there just wasn't a good way to add it to those designs. I think the addition of something like power brakes might have been a cost control item, engineering the new parts can get expensive for a relatively small company like Oliver. At least that is my guess. I think they went from being innovative to playing catch up in the late 60s, adding features because others had them, not because they came up with them. It's tough to add the cost of those features to the few thousand of a model that Oliver built, compared to the 10s or even 100s of thousands Deere and IH were building.
The early 2050 and 2150 had solid side panels and we had to change them to the perforated panels to make them run cooler. We used a piece of baling wire and pushed a 2150 to 400 hp.
There were 2 different styles of perforated side panels as well. There was the partial perforation like on my 2050, and then there was the version that was totally perforated, and had solid panels spot welded on the back side to help control air flow.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris And they still might have been a little more efficient on cooling. The funny thing about dyno runs at 400 hp, it would start to get warmer than we liked. However, in the field, it did not and we figured that without putting much larger equipment behind it the governor had no need for a lot of fuel to make needed horsepower to maintain the rpm it was tasked to keep.
I always wondered if Oliver could have survived what new looks it could have been giving. They stayed basically the same for years with the exemption of grill headlights.
I've wondered that. Would the styling still have looked like the White tractor, but with different paint? A lot of the guys that worked on the White 2-135/2-155 project were Oliver and Minnie Mo guys that had been around there for years, so I doubt the styling would have changed much.
Chris, The dealer for the 2150 is the same dealer for the Olivers & Whites on the farm I worked on out of school. Location is in the Lake Champlain Valley in Western Vermont is about the most I can help with the information. Majority of other farms in the valley were IH or JD. Just curious you don't seem to have a the small 1450 utility. We had two of them on the farm. Used one of them on the blower for the silo. Couldn't kill that little sucker.
I should have mentioned the 1250 and 1450. I've never gotten into the Fiat built Olivers. The later ones were really good machines, but the 1250 and 1450 had plenty of troubles from what I have been told. Thank you the information on the dealer. Have you ever seen any of the Slope Boss tractors in your area?
On the 1550 Utility the early ones had a bit of a different build on the front axel on the cradle , The early ones had the axel mounted on 2 vertical brackets from the cradle to the axel, The later ones were at a 45* angle. Mine is an early one and has several other oddity to it 1 no branch delivery on the build card (dealer that sold it picked it up at Charles City and his dealership was about 25 miles south of me) 2 it has a factory patched hood (regular 1550 hood was used) build card reads short hood on the side 3 has the early front axel 4 back fenders are painted over Cockshutt red fenders (there is red paint under the green paint on other parts of the tractor too) . I looked at it 3 times before I realized it was a utility and once I did I had to have it cause I've anyways said if I ever found another 1550 diesel I was going to buy it and it just turned out to be a 1550 diesel Utility with a strange past . Bandit
I'll have to go back and watch some of your 1550 videos again and check out those details. There was a 1600 Utility and it had a different front axle, probably the same as yours if I had to guess. I'm sure the "short hood" on the build card means that it didn't have a hood when it got to the end of the line. There was an inspection at the end, and any mistakes were noted on the card and the tractor was sent to the Bull Pen to get fixed. Usually it was something like a missing or improperly placed decal, but sometimes it would be something like your tractor, where they didn't have the hood on hand but weren't going to stop the assembly line to wait for one. I've seen a few tractors with red under the green, and industrial yellow under the green. I'm wondering how early your 1550 is. Mind sharing the serial number?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris The serial number is 169-204-506 and according to the build sheet the tractor Final Assembly Line Date was February 7 1966 Ship Date was February 9 1966 Branch Ship not listed but went to Buford Ohio and the engine serial number is 103188. Now this is info from the Floyd County Historical Society and I have a copy of the build card. I talked to Mr, Schaffer (he and his daughter run the Oliver Hart Parr mag ) at a show a couple of years ago and I showed him the info I got from Floyd County and said he knew who wrote the short hood on the built card and he got very interested in it to the point he got a book out and started going threw it and said The factory patched hood is very rare to start with and asked about the front axel and I told him it was different than the 2 1550 utilities at the show, Told him about the Cockshutt Red under the green paint and how the rust was trying to come threw it. He asked me more questions about it and I told him what he wanted to know. Going threw is book he said mine was built at the time the 5 Cockshutt 1550 Utilities were built (was to be 10 but were cut back to 5) and 4 left the factory and paper work shows ware they went into Canada, But the 5th one didnt leave and no one knows what happened to it. The 4 that left are know and are in collectors hands now but there is no record what happened to the 5th one or what was done with it. Over the years he said he's looked at a lot of the 1550 utilities looking for the 5th one thinking it was rebadged as an Oliver (his best guess) but mine is the only one he said even showed the slightest sign of being the one. With it short a hood and no branch listed and in the right time frame with the right axel under it and having red fenders he said its as close as he has ever come to finding the one that got away. Bandit
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I've done a lot of research on this 1550 utility so far and it is a bit of an oddity even to the guy's at McHenry's cause they have worked on it a time or two over the years . I still dont know who bought the tractor when it was new but ware I got it from they got it in 1969 and was used on a small dairy farm. The owner had passed away about 2000 and it sat for awhile till his wife and son decided to sell it and I bought it. Good little tractor but she needs some work done to the pto and hydraulic pump to make it right. Hay I have to ask you a question about my 1850 diesel, I've been looking for aux drive for the injector pump and all the bushing and thrust washers for it and no matter ware I turn I keep coming up empty. I called 2 different Perkins engine dealers and they say the parts are no longer available so I figured I would ask you if you might have a them in NOS or might point me in the right direction to get them. My cousin has a machine shop and said he could make them if we had prints or the actual parts to go by to make new ones. Any help would greatly appreciated. Bandit
I sold my last auxiliary shaft a few years ago. I've heard some of the stuff is becoming obsolete, I'm not sure where to send you. Have you tried Svehlak Tractor down in Texas? He has tons of nos parts and might have something.
Thanks again Chris for all these great videos! I just love your 2050 it is one of my favorite tractors to see you run. Also does the 2050 have a 3 speed in it?
Yes it does. I recorded an over/under video with this tractor while I had it out since some have asked for one. Just the basics of using it and an easy test for when a person looking to buy an Oliver with the 3 speed.
Have a question on 50 series starter and front weights. Do they all fit across the series or are the 1550 and 1650 smaller than the larger tractors in the series. Love your content. Thanks. JF
Thanks! The same weights fit the 1550 on up. Early starter weights weren't drilled and tapped for the flat weights, but those were usually on the 00 series.
I know a guy that was good friends with the owner of Devines in Ferrisburgh, VT who is a big Oliver fan as well. I’ll send this along to him and pick his brain. He also has a 2255 MFWD with cab for sale, just saying!
No. They were a totally new transmission. The metal plate in the 2050/2150 r will ruin the bearings on the gears that drive the pump, but the pump itself is unharmed.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Ok, thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us!! There aren't a whole lot of people around that know what you know. And me running the similar machines sometimes second or third hand it always helps to know how to work on it all and all their quirks.
Unfortunately, no. The ink would fade over the years. I've only seen a couple Olivers where I could still tell the decal had been wrote on, and even those were difficult to read.
Question: I have a 1650 Cockshutt, wheatland, no 3pt. like most Cockshutts in Canada. It has what looks like factory 4 hydraulic remotes. 4 levers, 4 spools under the seat, and 4 sets of couplers on the back. As far I know 3 hydraulics was the most from the factory? Was 4 an option? I've never seen one like it before and have only seen 3 a handful of times.
They could have up to 4. I've seen a picture of an industrial with 4, but not an ag tractor. How are the couplers mounted? I've never seen what they did for that
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Nothing special, a piece of angle iron is bolted the the back of the seat stand, a 6 inch piece of flat iron with a 90 degree twist in it, and a bolt holding those clamp style pioneer collars to the flat iron. X4
My family's farm is not a half mile from Devine's. Most anybody that was around for that tractor being sold has passed on by now. Once AGCO gave the franchise to the Allis dealer across the road, the business shut down, and everything went in the dumpster. I'm pretty sure you might be up shit's creek on that one.
You're not kidding that hurc is a good sounding diesel you were talking about the two-stroke Detroit engines and said something about the people that love them know how they sound and Rev the people that hate them no the same thing it started off from the forties the military needed a smaller and little bit lighter diesel engine then the four strokes of the day example and 8 V 71 is only 568 cubic inches where any of your Cummins big cam engines are 855 that's why those big inlines can out lug the little Detroit but in a lightweight configuration the Detroit will out race one of the big Heavy's
Could you get the 2050 in a row crop or was that reserved for the 1950t and smaller? Ive seen a couple of Cockshutt 50 series in a golden color. Really sticks out on a tractor that is more common red or green.
They did sell them as a 2wd Row Crop, although about the main difference between that and a Wheatland was the addition of 3 point hitch on the Row Crop. There was only 1 front axle for the 2wd 2050 , and it was adjustable.
Hi Chris great video! I have a question for you regarding an oliver 1550 gas tractor that I recently bought. So the engine dies sometimes when I idle up and when i let out the clutch. I have rebuilt the carburetor and have good fuel flow from the tank. The tractor has been sitting for quite some time before i bought it and was not running. I am thinking it has some kind of governor issue. What are your thoughts?? Thanks for any input!!
Does it run fine other than that? The load jet might need to be turned out a little. It could need a good tune up, plugs, wires, points, condenser, coil. I'd start with the cheap and easy stuff.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Yep it runs great other than that. Starts whithout any choke when it it hasn't run in a few days. Has a good coil, points have been cleaned as well as the plugs, has good wires I haven't checked the condenser, and i will check that. along with trying to screw out the load jet a wee bit. Thanks a bunch!!
I'd turn the load jet out a half tturn. When you're 'accelerating' from a low idle like that and the governor quickly opens the butterfly, it switches from using the idle jet to the load jet, and that sudden gulp of air can be lean, causing it to miss or die. It seems to be worse with today's gas as well. It could be a sign of a small intake leak as well. If you have the original Holley distributor, the vacuum advance could be getting bad. Parts aren't available for them, so the best bet there is a new distributor. Korves Oliver has a replacement that works great, but I'd try the simple stuff first.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks that helped a lot! But after looking closely at the distributor it appears that some one modified it, Because i am seeing soder on what I believe to be part of the vacuum advance inside the cap. so its probably not a bad idea to replace it. Thanks again!
At one time most the busses used 6-71s and 8-71s they have a drone to them but they aren't as loud with a muffler , people started running straight pipes on the super 99s and 990s for antique tractor pulls for the shock factor 30 plus years ago and now seems everyone is doing it.
I have bought parts at Devines in Ferrisburg VT. Charlie the owner of Devines passed many years ago now. They also went out of business many years ago. I remember an Oliver in a shed, it was on the Vermont and New York boarder. It was a big mfwd. Do you know the town it came from?
@ I drooled over that tractor for a long time and dreamed of owning. I recently got a nice 1950T. If you got time I would like to speak with you about it. I am on FB as well, thanks.
The White 2-70 was the last model to have it. By then they welded a chunk of steel into them that would prevent them from falling far enough to hit the PTO cover. I have one of those wishbones on the 1650. I should have thought to point it out.
My wife and I edited and wrote for the Hart-Parr Oliver Collector magazine for around 7 years. I wrote many articles, and some of those back issues are still available. The magazine is still produced (with different editors) and you can learn more at www.hartparroliver.org
I don't have a definite answer. My best guess is that the 1550/1555 was low enough horsepower that it wouldn't sell. It was hard enough to sell 4wd on the bigger tractors where it made a big difference. Guys were concerned about turning radius and if you are pulling 3 bottoms with a 1550, that really makes a difference.
got a 58 oliver with bad engine engine is in machine shop and they say that they can't match numbers for engine rebuild kit . any information would be helpful
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WOW, a walking encyclopedia of Oliver history.......cool......
You described the perfect reason why those GM Diesels are called Screamin Jimmys.
These videos have been the most looked forward to things I have watched all summer seriously. Can’t wait for the 55 series!
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
All the way into the late 1970's my great uncle farmed with a pair of row crop 66 tractors. The big tractor was a super 88. There is nothing quite like the sound of that super 88 pulling hard. They wouldn't replace anything unless it broke beyond repair. That never came up with those Oliver tractors.
Grew up with a 2050 on the farm (Along with a 55, 77, 1600, 1755 and later a 2-135) . It was really something to hear you start yours, it brought back some memories. Beautiful job on the 1650! And get this - Devine's was where my Dad got most of his tractors! I'll ask around on the 2150.
Thanks!
Just picked up a 1954 super 55. Gonna be watching your videos 👍
Awesome!
Love your narrative, and history about the best tractors ever built!
Thanks, Dale
That paint job is really slick.
Oh man I was about to go outside and do some yard work then this video popped up. Wonder if the wife will accept my excuse. 😎
growing up on my grandfather's farm in upstate n.y he had a oliver 2150 an a Allis chalmers 220 at same time a worked together breaking ground. I wish I had them today two great powerful tractors. the Allis had more lug power barely but oliver never had a issue ever. As time went on got traded for 7080 Allis Chalmers an a 7045 Allis which were good tractors but nothing like 2150 or 220. great memories
Great videos! My dad and grandfather farmed for years with Oliver’s and whites. I grew up with the whites and we now run New Holland’s. We still have a bunch of restored ones around including a purple 1850 we did up a few years ago. We also have a low hour 6175 we still use once in a while. Keep them coming on up into the 55’s and whites!
The terra tire 1650 and 1959 are just plain awesome. They look awesome and I’m sure float and ride really well!
I’d love to spend a day on it!
Thanks for the video. I really enjoy all the history that you share about the tractors. I have 1850 short wheel base row crop, and 1950 short wheel base row crop. Neither retired still working. Ground a load of corn with the 1950 yesterday.
My Grandfather has a 1950-T. The 1950-T replaced a 1800. I used to cultivate with that tractor for days. I seem to remember it was a large tractor for the time. I it had fuel in the vendors, it could carry a lot of fuel.
Enjoying these video's thank you for taking time to show us.
Glad you like them!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris what's not like for a farmhand of many years. Never to old to learn about tractor's and equipment.
Plus somebody that is enjoyable to watch and see all his toy's, ii mean tractos.
Really enjoyed this video on the 50 series tractors. They seem to be the most common in our collection. Just recently bought a parts 1850 and I am going to use that rear end on our good 1850 it was cheaper then buying all the parts and bearings we need. Thanks again for the great videos
You have to have the worlds best collection of Olivers. I know big time Oliver fans around me and they have less than 15 Oliver/White tractors.
I know of some Oliver collections that make mine look small. Thank you for the kind words.
Thanks for the walk around on the 50's series. A friend has a 1950 he had me drive for him from the shop. He kept saying give it more throttle in the road gear. Didn't feel right pushing it over 2250 so I took my sweet time getting it back. Didn't like the wandering at any higher speed. Wasn't in that much of a rush to lose control of it.
Love this video series chris. I always liked the look of the 50 series Oliver’s. I drove a 1650 for years and years on the farm. Keep up the good work!
That is awesome!
I grew up in up state NY the town of Peru. I work on a small farm and my boss had a 2150 4x4 and a 1850 Oliver. Which part of up state NY did you buy it at. The first time they put me on a tractor it was on the 2150 with a 6 bottom plow. I was so excited to finally get on a tractor. Little did I know how long it took to plow a 50 acre field In 2nd gear. I use to envy the farms that had tractors with cabs with a/c . It would get hot in the summer with an open station tractor with all that steel sucking up the sunshine. It was hot as hell . Looking back I now miss it. I hate to say it but we also had a Ford 9000 and that was the best tractor we had. It all ways started year round. We never had to wrench on it. I always like the Ford more. My chore tractor was a 9n Ford. I drove that thing around like a car at 13. The good old days
I'll have to ask to see where the 2150 came from. I think the finger lakes area.
@@hillbillyhicks8102 My daughter lives in Black Brook, that’s a nice area around Peru. Lots of apples.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris FingerLakes is a long way from Devines. Definitely not impossible though.
Really enjoy youre videos, Love seeing the old Olivers putting in work and enjoy watching farm and field work in general. My grandfather restored a Oliver 60? I think it was when i was little it had cultivators on it and I remember riding around with him on that to cultivate the gardens....good memories, we had to sell it when he passed away but I did get to keep his Massey ferguson industrial 20 and I love using that
The 50 series is my favorite, and good job on the video. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks! 👍
Great sounding engine in that 2050 Oliver! Would really like to hear it with a straight pipe Chris! Thanks sooo much for the great videos of those old Olivers!
That Stanley muffler is close to being a straight pipe. With no turbo, you can really hear the deep roar of that Hercules.
Like all your videos on the different series but this my favorite we run all the the 50 series except 1950gm and 2050 but still looking for those two
GREAT VIDEO! You're like an Oliver encyclopedia. How could anyone, much less 8 people hit the thumbs down on this. I just don't get it. Thanks for posting !
Awesome collection. TY for sharing
Love your vids. Just got a Oliver myself, your videos are a big help.
Lots of great history. Nice to find out. I spent a lot of time riding on the fender like you described on my uncle’s 1600 Probably it would freak a lot of people out these days!
Nice tractors and cool series
always interesting about some of oliver's history,
Thanks for the tour. I myself was a Massey Ferguson man. No hard feelings I hope. Lol.
Your right 2050 sounds good great collection
The GM two strokes are very good at turning fuel into noise and leaking oil. That said, they’re hard to kill. I was told that you need to run them like you’re trying to blow them up lol.
I recently was reading that the timing of these has the injector starting to spray before the exhaust valves are fully closed. So idling around with them will get them wet stacking. They were designed to be run wide open.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris My understanding of Detroits was that long periods of idling or light loading will cause oil to pass the rings and build up in the manifolds as carbon. When the engine gets heavily loaded and the manifolds heat up, the carbon makes for interesting light shows coming out the exhaust stack.......
Worked for a railroad in my early years, got to run 16v567 and 16v645 GM/EMD diesels. Because they ran straight water as coolant, they idled all day and night, which could build up quite a bit of oil and carbon in the manifolds. Then, when you got them on a run where they spent a good half hour or longer at full throttle, oh, the spark shows out the stacks.........
Loved the video, we have a 1800 fwa. Love learning about Oliver.
Nice series enjoying the tour
Thanks, Shawn
Neighbor down the road has a 1550 diesel utility with the high speed gear and the underhood muffler. It was bought new in the family, and I'm pretty sure it has clocked over 10k twice. Used to grind feed with it in the 60s and 70s got tired of driving down the road between barns at a "creeping" pace😂
Another great video tour bro. Stay safe ya'll
It’s about time. We’ve been waiting weeks for this :)
Your 1650 is absolutely beautiful.
Thank you!
You definitely have a lot of NICE tractors!!!
The places we used to ride with dad!! Now days dad would go to jail for taking us along. But it would be fine to leave us at home alone...
Crazy huh? If dad came in the house after school and saw us watching TV, he'd say "well aren't we the height of ambition!" and then find something for us to do.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris LMAO 🤣 😂 yup.. word for word!!
I was at the HPOCA Summer get together in Mt. Pleasant Iowa 2013 ( I think) the head engineer on the purple tractor project gave a talk about that program. It was very interesting.
thanks so much chris! can't wait for the next one.
I want an Oliver tractor... Not seen many here in North Carolina though. Would also like to get a Minneapolis Moline and bring it to NC as well.
Thanks Chris. I got to demo a 1650 back in the day. But I think dad thought maybe to pricey and bought a new 770 instead! Looking forward to 55's!
Super video Chris
keep the great work my dad has a 1850 front assist
We had an 1850 front assist before my time. The second owners had a barn fire and it got totalled, so I know I won't ever get that one back, but would like to have one someday.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris keep the great work the 1850 Oliver is on my TH-cam chanel
I'll check it out
My Grampa dairy farmed with Oliver's in the 70's. He had a 1650, 1800 and a 770. He probably had a few others at one point or another.
Great stuff
Such a wealth of Oliver knowledge. There was a lot of "scratching" and "creaking" in the audio from handling the camera. Maybe some kind of isolating handle might help. Yeah I know, pretty nit-picky but thought I would mention it.
I noticed it during editing. I'm going to see what I can do about it in future videos.
There’s a 2150 2wd for sale in Pennsylvania and a 1850 FWD for sale in New York I saw them on Facebook marketplace seems like it would interest you and great video by the way can’t wait for part 6
I think I saw the 1850, if it is gas with a loader on it. I'd like to find a diesel one like we had on the farm.
That Oliver Guy - Chris Losey yeah it was that one
Good stuff! Thanks!
Nice video
When ever you get the 1850 finished. I would be willing to pay you just to take it out for a drive in your driveway sometime.
Thanks Chris!
Nice video and nice set. I worked on the Purdue farm in west Lafayette and went from childhood 00 and 50 series with no hydraulic brakes to the 55 series at Purdue with the hydraulic brakes. What a change. With to 2050 and 2150 being 4x4 I am sure it I’d hard to tell how the mechanical brakes work compared to a two wheel drive. I drove similar year John Deere and IH 100 hp and they had power brakes and I could not understand why Oliver waited so long for better brakes and steering for that matter. Be interested in your thoughts??
There's a few things that Oliver was behind on that make me scratch my head. Differential lock is one. I think that was an oversight designing the 1800 and 1900 in the late 1950s, and there just wasn't a good way to add it to those designs. I think the addition of something like power brakes might have been a cost control item, engineering the new parts can get expensive for a relatively small company like Oliver. At least that is my guess. I think they went from being innovative to playing catch up in the late 60s, adding features because others had them, not because they came up with them. It's tough to add the cost of those features to the few thousand of a model that Oliver built, compared to the 10s or even 100s of thousands Deere and IH were building.
That's nice paint on the 1650
Thanks!
The early 2050 and 2150 had solid side panels and we had to change them to the perforated panels to make them run cooler. We used a piece of baling wire and pushed a 2150 to 400 hp.
There were 2 different styles of perforated side panels as well. There was the partial perforation like on my 2050, and then there was the version that was totally perforated, and had solid panels spot welded on the back side to help control air flow.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris And they still might have been a little more efficient on cooling. The funny thing about dyno runs at 400 hp, it would start to get warmer than we liked. However, in the field, it did not and we figured that without putting much larger equipment behind it the governor had no need for a lot of fuel to make needed horsepower to maintain the rpm it was tasked to keep.
Great info.
I was wondering what you were going to do with the 1850 I really want to buy one and paint it purple too lol
We're just putting our 1850 hydraulic drivetrain back together
Super trator top de mais
You should buy a old factory and restore your tractors and make a museum when u done farming
I always wondered if Oliver could have survived what new looks it could have been giving. They stayed basically the same for years with the exemption of grill headlights.
I've wondered that. Would the styling still have looked like the White tractor, but with different paint? A lot of the guys that worked on the White 2-135/2-155 project were Oliver and Minnie Mo guys that had been around there for years, so I doubt the styling would have changed much.
www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=oliver&th=198766
If you've never seen these pictures, I think they look incredible.
that hercules is kinda like the D282/310/407s IH made, it sounds like a combination of a diesel and a gasser.
Chris,
The dealer for the 2150 is the same dealer for the Olivers & Whites on the farm I worked on out of school. Location is in the Lake Champlain Valley in Western Vermont is about the most I can help with the information. Majority of other farms in the valley were IH or JD. Just curious you don't seem to have a the small 1450 utility. We had two of them on the farm. Used one of them on the blower for the silo. Couldn't kill that little sucker.
I should have mentioned the 1250 and 1450. I've never gotten into the Fiat built Olivers. The later ones were really good machines, but the 1250 and 1450 had plenty of troubles from what I have been told.
Thank you the information on the dealer. Have you ever seen any of the Slope Boss tractors in your area?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Can't say that I ever did.
Sweet! Nice 4x4s. I like that you add updates or repairs to your vids... What was the hp difference between the 2050 and 2150....
2050 was around 118, and 2150 was supposed to be 131 horse on the Pto. It was common for both models to turn more than advertised.
VERY COOL old iron
Thanks, Murphy!
On the 1550 Utility the early ones had a bit of a different build on the front axel on the cradle , The early ones had the axel mounted on 2 vertical brackets from the cradle to the axel, The later ones were at a 45* angle. Mine is an early one and has several other oddity to it 1 no branch delivery on the build card (dealer that sold it picked it up at Charles City and his dealership was about 25 miles south of me) 2 it has a factory patched hood (regular 1550 hood was used) build card reads short hood on the side 3 has the early front axel 4 back fenders are painted over Cockshutt red fenders (there is red paint under the green paint on other parts of the tractor too) . I looked at it 3 times before I realized it was a utility and once I did I had to have it cause I've anyways said if I ever found another 1550 diesel I was going to buy it and it just turned out to be a 1550 diesel Utility with a strange past . Bandit
I'll have to go back and watch some of your 1550 videos again and check out those details. There was a 1600 Utility and it had a different front axle, probably the same as yours if I had to guess. I'm sure the "short hood" on the build card means that it didn't have a hood when it got to the end of the line. There was an inspection at the end, and any mistakes were noted on the card and the tractor was sent to the Bull Pen to get fixed. Usually it was something like a missing or improperly placed decal, but sometimes it would be something like your tractor, where they didn't have the hood on hand but weren't going to stop the assembly line to wait for one. I've seen a few tractors with red under the green, and industrial yellow under the green. I'm wondering how early your 1550 is. Mind sharing the serial number?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris The serial number is 169-204-506 and according to the build sheet the tractor Final Assembly Line Date was February 7 1966 Ship Date was February 9 1966 Branch Ship not listed but went to Buford Ohio and the engine serial number is 103188. Now this is info from the Floyd County Historical Society and I have a copy of the build card. I talked to Mr, Schaffer (he and his daughter run the Oliver Hart Parr mag ) at a show a couple of years ago and I showed him the info I got from Floyd County and said he knew who wrote the short hood on the built card and he got very interested in it to the point he got a book out and started going threw it and said The factory patched hood is very rare to start with and asked about the front axel and I told him it was different than the 2 1550 utilities at the show, Told him about the Cockshutt Red under the green paint and how the rust was trying to come threw it. He asked me more questions about it and I told him what he wanted to know. Going threw is book he said mine was built at the time the 5 Cockshutt 1550 Utilities were built (was to be 10 but were cut back to 5) and 4 left the factory and paper work shows ware they went into Canada, But the 5th one didnt leave and no one knows what happened to it. The 4 that left are know and are in collectors hands now but there is no record what happened to the 5th one or what was done with it. Over the years he said he's looked at a lot of the 1550 utilities looking for the 5th one thinking it was rebadged as an Oliver (his best guess) but mine is the only one he said even showed the slightest sign of being the one. With it short a hood and no branch listed and in the right time frame with the right axel under it and having red fenders he said its as close as he has ever come to finding the one that got away. Bandit
Thanks for the info!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I've done a lot of research on this 1550 utility so far and it is a bit of an oddity even to the guy's at McHenry's cause they have worked on it a time or two over the years . I still dont know who bought the tractor when it was new but ware I got it from they got it in 1969 and was used on a small dairy farm. The owner had passed away about 2000 and it sat for awhile till his wife and son decided to sell it and I bought it. Good little tractor but she needs some work done to the pto and hydraulic pump to make it right. Hay I have to ask you a question about my 1850 diesel, I've been looking for aux drive for the injector pump and all the bushing and thrust washers for it and no matter ware I turn I keep coming up empty. I called 2 different Perkins engine dealers and they say the parts are no longer available so I figured I would ask you if you might have a them in NOS or might point me in the right direction to get them. My cousin has a machine shop and said he could make them if we had prints or the actual parts to go by to make new ones. Any help would greatly appreciated. Bandit
I sold my last auxiliary shaft a few years ago. I've heard some of the stuff is becoming obsolete, I'm not sure where to send you. Have you tried Svehlak Tractor down in Texas? He has tons of nos parts and might have something.
Very cool at my station I have a fire engine that has a Detroit engine in it
Thanks
Thanks again Chris for all these great videos! I just love your 2050 it is one of my favorite tractors to see you run. Also does the 2050 have a 3 speed in it?
Yes it does. I recorded an over/under video with this tractor while I had it out since some have asked for one. Just the basics of using it and an easy test for when a person looking to buy an Oliver with the 3 speed.
My 1750 was red. Built in 1967
Ferrisburgh Vermont is my hometown.
One of my cousins retired from Charles city ,Iowa .
G'day Chris
Hello Murphy!
It’s interesting how Oliver never marketed a 1350 like Cockshutt did using the Jet Star 3
Chris the 1855 at Archbold is in the shop putting new pump on at Y+F going to be on Auction Line when done , 5500 hours on it .
I saw that one on the lot back in August, looked like a fairly nice machine, but I didn't see it run. What pump is getting replaced?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris fuel pump
Isn't it going through the auction?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris The tractors that came from Quebec dealer or jockey are going on Auction Line , they told me at office
Have a question on 50 series starter and front weights. Do they all fit across the series or are the 1550 and 1650 smaller than the larger tractors in the series. Love your content. Thanks. JF
Thanks! The same weights fit the 1550 on up. Early starter weights weren't drilled and tapped for the flat weights, but those were usually on the 00 series.
You do have a few jewels.
I know a guy that was good friends with the owner of Devines in Ferrisburgh, VT who is a big Oliver fan as well. I’ll send this along to him and pick his brain. He also has a 2255 MFWD with cab for sale, just saying!
That would be awesome if more can be figured out about Phil's 2150.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris did you already find out who’s it was or the history of it?
@@AdamTDelisle nothing so far, so anything would be great.
My grandpa fought an 1850 four-wheel drive out of there
Do the 2-135/2-155 suffer from the same "metal plate off death" problem. Our 2-135 hydraulic pump went out last year and wonder if that is why.
No. They were a totally new transmission. The metal plate in the 2050/2150 r will ruin the bearings on the gears that drive the pump, but the pump itself is unharmed.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Ok, thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us!! There aren't a whole lot of people around that know what you know. And me running the similar machines sometimes second or third hand it always helps to know how to work on it all and all their quirks.
Just curious can you still read what the H.P. is on the certified tag? That wold give an idea what those 2150 tractors put out when delivered.
Unfortunately, no. The ink would fade over the years. I've only seen a couple Olivers where I could still tell the decal had been wrote on, and even those were difficult to read.
I have a 1964 1850 with a setback front.
Question: I have a 1650 Cockshutt, wheatland, no 3pt. like most Cockshutts in Canada. It has what looks like factory 4 hydraulic remotes. 4 levers, 4 spools under the seat, and 4 sets of couplers on the back. As far I know 3 hydraulics was the most from the factory? Was 4 an option? I've never seen one like it before and have only seen 3 a handful of times.
They could have up to 4. I've seen a picture of an industrial with 4, but not an ag tractor. How are the couplers mounted? I've never seen what they did for that
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Nothing special, a piece of angle iron is bolted the the back of the seat stand, a 6 inch piece of flat iron with a 90 degree twist in it, and a bolt holding those clamp style pioneer collars to the flat iron. X4
Thanks!
My family's farm is not a half mile from Devine's. Most anybody that was around for that tractor being sold has passed on by now. Once AGCO gave the franchise to the Allis dealer across the road, the business shut down, and everything went in the dumpster. I'm pretty sure you might be up shit's creek on that one.
Bummer.
Well besides a different dash too and platform
You're not kidding that hurc is a good sounding diesel you were talking about the two-stroke Detroit engines and said something about the people that love them know how they sound and Rev the people that hate them no the same thing it started off from the forties the military needed a smaller and little bit lighter diesel engine then the four strokes of the day example and 8 V 71 is only 568 cubic inches where any of your Cummins big cam engines are 855 that's why those big inlines can out lug the little Detroit but in a lightweight configuration the Detroit will out race one of the big Heavy's
we all know who the real star of the fleet is
Herman
Dixie Farmboy you got that right! Goooo Herman!
Could you get the 2050 in a row crop or was that reserved for the 1950t and smaller?
Ive seen a couple of Cockshutt 50 series in a golden color. Really sticks out on a tractor that is more common red or green.
They did sell them as a 2wd Row Crop, although about the main difference between that and a Wheatland was the addition of 3 point hitch on the Row Crop. There was only 1 front axle for the 2wd 2050 , and it was adjustable.
Hi Chris great video!
I have a question for you regarding an oliver 1550 gas tractor that I recently bought.
So the engine dies sometimes when I idle up and when i let out the clutch. I have rebuilt the carburetor and have good fuel flow from the tank. The tractor has been sitting for quite some time before i bought it and was not running. I am thinking it has some kind of governor issue. What are your thoughts?? Thanks for any input!!
Does it run fine other than that? The load jet might need to be turned out a little. It could need a good tune up, plugs, wires, points, condenser, coil. I'd start with the cheap and easy stuff.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Yep it runs great other than that. Starts whithout any choke when it it hasn't run in a few days. Has a good coil, points have been cleaned as well as the plugs, has good wires I haven't checked the condenser, and i will check that. along with trying to screw out the load jet a wee bit. Thanks a bunch!!
I'd turn the load jet out a half tturn. When you're 'accelerating' from a low idle like that and the governor quickly opens the butterfly, it switches from using the idle jet to the load jet, and that sudden gulp of air can be lean, causing it to miss or die. It seems to be worse with today's gas as well. It could be a sign of a small intake leak as well. If you have the original Holley distributor, the vacuum advance could be getting bad. Parts aren't available for them, so the best bet there is a new distributor. Korves Oliver has a replacement that works great, but I'd try the simple stuff first.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Thanks that helped a lot! But after looking closely at the distributor it appears that some one modified it, Because i am seeing soder on what I believe to be part of the vacuum advance inside the cap. so its probably not a bad idea to replace it. Thanks again!
Sounds like a good idea.
Detroit diesel turns fuel into noise that's all that needs to be said
At one time most the busses used 6-71s and 8-71s they have a drone to them but they aren't as loud with a muffler , people started running straight pipes on the super 99s and 990s for antique tractor pulls for the shock factor 30 plus years ago and now seems everyone is doing it.
I have bought parts at Devines in Ferrisburg VT. Charlie the owner of Devines passed many years ago now. They also went out of business many years ago. I remember an Oliver in a shed, it was on the Vermont and New York boarder. It was a big mfwd. Do you know the town it came from?
I don't, but I'll do some asking around and see if anyone remembers. Thanks!
@ I drooled over that tractor for a long time and dreamed of owning. I recently got a nice 1950T. If you got time I would like to speak with you about it. I am on FB as well, thanks.
When did they do away with the wish bone style top link?
The White 2-70 was the last model to have it. By then they welded a chunk of steel into them that would prevent them from falling far enough to hit the PTO cover. I have one of those wishbones on the 1650. I should have thought to point it out.
Have you ever thought of writing a book about Oliver equipment?
My wife and I edited and wrote for the Hart-Parr Oliver Collector magazine for around 7 years. I wrote many articles, and some of those back issues are still available. The magazine is still produced (with different editors) and you can learn more at www.hartparroliver.org
We have a 1750 with a 1950 motor in it
that restored 1650 looks great! how did you paint it so well?
Paint, sand, repeat. I just keep at it until I get it right.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris awesome, nice case of hard work paying off.
do you know why the 1550-1555 wasn"t offered with 4wd?
I don't have a definite answer. My best guess is that the 1550/1555 was low enough horsepower that it wouldn't sell. It was hard enough to sell 4wd on the bigger tractors where it made a big difference. Guys were concerned about turning radius and if you are pulling 3 bottoms with a 1550, that really makes a difference.
Detroits usally leak oil because some one put pistons in from the top instead of the bottom of the sleeve and broke oil rings
got a 58 oliver with bad engine engine is in machine shop and they say that they can't match numbers for engine rebuild kit . any information would be helpful
Call Korves Oliver. They've got kits, experience and good prices. www.korvesoliver.com
Thanks for the info will give them a call