My issue with one of the reasons for women wearing the Burqa it's to prevent men from being aroused by their beauty. That's rather patronizing and denigrating towards men. As if we can't control our basic, sexual animal urges. Don't get me wrong, a woman has and should have the right to wear whatever she wants, but that doesn't mean we as a civilized Western society should have to agree with their their reasons for doing so. What I found further patronizing was when Myriam Francois-Cerrah attempted to make out that Umm Hamza in any way was being bullied or victimized by any line of questioning or disagreement in her choice to wear the Burqa. No one forced her to be on the show, and presumably, she must have agreed to be questioned by Nicky Campbell on the issue. Also, I think the rest of the audience was fairly calm and respectful. I fail to see how Myriam could accuse anyone of bullying her. It strikes me she just didn't like the questions or arguments directed at Umm Hamza and thought it easy to play the victim card on her behalf.
@@oliver6257 So what are you saying? That the majority of British men commit sex crimes? Just because the majority of sex crimes are committed by men doesn't men the majority of men are committing them. And do you really think that women wearing a Burqa would prevent sex crimes from happening?
@@robertmcelwaine7024 I don't know why you're saying the first part to me. As for the second it doesn't need to be a burka, but certainly dressing more modestly would lower sex crimes significantly, slow down on that alcohol culture too.
@@oliver6257 I'm saying the first part to you because it strikes me that's what you're saying. Most men are sexual predators. Don't you think most men can control themselves around an attractive woman? Again, It's patronizing. Dressing more modestly won't make any difference. If a man is going to want to rape a woman he'll do so irrespective of whether a woman dresses modestly or not.All you're doing is potentially pushing the she was asking for it myth,
The first lady to answer Nicky’s questions was visibly uncomfortable with the line of inquiries. The truth is, it’s a double standard. Women aren’t thought of as people that have sex for pleasure and can be aroused by men’s bodies. I think his questions started to make her think of the cognitive dissonance.
What gets me is that she thinks that women would be safer as there would be fewer sexual assaults or harassment towards them if they covered up, and dressed more modestly. There are women in Western society who while they don't wear Burqas, dress modestly and have been attacked, sexually assaulted, or raped. Not to mention that in Saudi Arabia there is no law prohibiting rape within marriage. Furthermore, pregnancy can be used as evidence of sex having taken place, and women who report rape or sexual violence can be considered to have confessed to having had unlawful sex *(zina)* and be prosecuted and punished by corporal punishments. These include floggings and even stoning
@@spybubbble As entertaining as it is, in a perfect world people in that situation would be more practical and consider/reconsider their beliefs. It's my #1 problem with religiosity. Most people are to prideful and stubborn to change their position. I always ask myself "why do I believe x" "am I wrong?" "Are there more factors and variables to consider?" "Am I being naiive," "am I being biased?"
I think it should definitely be banned in certain places, Banks, Courtrooms, public offices and I'm sure there are other situations where it can represent some sort of hindrance or security concern, otherwise, as horrible a I personally find it, I'm not in favor of banning anything.
Social interaction is fundamentally what human beings are about, and the face is at the heart of that interaction, without that, it's gone. So its being a 'personal choice' means little in this debate. You don't get to choose the course and nature of interactions for your fellow citizens.
What irks me is any criticism of wearing the Burqa, and I fully support a woman's choice to wear whatever she likes, is seemingly condemned as bullying, or someone being put on trial as Bidisha states. No one forced the woman who was wearing the Burqa to come on the program, and she clearly made the choice to be questioned about it by Nicky. It was pretty clear she couldn't fully defend her position on why she wears it. I'm not for any legislation that would ban women from wearing the Burqa, however, there is a clear double standard that she has that she feels she should wear one but doesn't think men have to.
Should Catholic priests be allowed to marry? Absolutely! Imagine how much clergy abuse would be reduced! Because how many rules are there governing people's personal lives as it is. Abuse is never ok no matter what the circumstances are but it's partially because of these rules that these issues happen.
Very interesting, the young priest was a dawk the older one knew what he was talking about as a practicing Catholic, I wouldn't hold back telling that young priest where to go, I've done it before haven't been excommunicated yet.😊
Amazing how she simply hadn’t considered the most obvious line of inquiry “Why not men, too?”. This shows the oppressive nature of religion on the free mind. No need to think, we’ve already done that for you.
@@SuperPatrick777 the entirety of theology. How’s that. If not, how about this? Muhammad is the messenger of god, and us the perfect man. Head to Iran and debate that with an Imam and see if you get out of the country alive. Here’s another one - the earth is 5,000 years old. And another, God is the creator of the universe.
@@DragonballG. Yeah like men changing into women pagan worship of the world ( Save the planet crap ) , life coming from non life being related to bacteria and coming from an ape like creature , need I go on .
God should cover up his face and not create women and just be one big male-loving ceremony to celebrate the mighty man. He should stop telling us about his prostate cancer and other things because we don't want to know what you do.
This should have ended after the first question
"Why don't Men have to wear one?"
She was dumbfounded and hadn't even considered logic
At least she was honest enough to admit defeat there haha
My issue with one of the reasons for women wearing the Burqa it's to prevent men from being aroused by their beauty. That's rather patronizing and denigrating towards men. As if we can't control our basic, sexual animal urges. Don't get me wrong, a woman has and should have the right to wear whatever she wants, but that doesn't mean we as a civilized Western society should have to agree with their their reasons for doing so. What I found further patronizing was when Myriam Francois-Cerrah attempted to make out that Umm Hamza in any way was being bullied or victimized by any line of questioning or disagreement in her choice to wear the Burqa. No one forced her to be on the show, and presumably, she must have agreed to be questioned by Nicky Campbell on the issue. Also, I think the rest of the audience was fairly calm and respectful. I fail to see how Myriam could accuse anyone of bullying her. It strikes me she just didn't like the questions or arguments directed at Umm Hamza and thought it easy to play the victim card on her behalf.
It may be patronising, but it's also true. Look at the percentage of sexual crimes and see which sex is topping high 90% of those cases
@@oliver6257 So what are you saying? That the majority of British men commit sex crimes? Just because the majority of sex crimes are committed by men doesn't men the majority of men are committing them. And do you really think that women wearing a Burqa would prevent sex crimes from happening?
@@robertmcelwaine7024 I don't know why you're saying the first part to me. As for the second it doesn't need to be a burka, but certainly dressing more modestly would lower sex crimes significantly, slow down on that alcohol culture too.
@@oliver6257 I'm saying the first part to you because it strikes me that's what you're saying. Most men are sexual predators. Don't you think most men can control themselves around an attractive woman? Again, It's patronizing. Dressing more modestly won't make any difference. If a man is going to want to rape a woman he'll do so irrespective of whether a woman dresses modestly or not.All you're doing is potentially pushing the she was asking for it myth,
The first lady to answer Nicky’s questions was visibly uncomfortable with the line of inquiries. The truth is, it’s a double standard. Women aren’t thought of as people that have sex for pleasure and can be aroused by men’s bodies.
I think his questions started to make her think of the cognitive dissonance.
What gets me is that she thinks that women would be safer as there would be fewer sexual assaults or harassment towards them if they covered up, and dressed more modestly. There are women in Western society who while they don't wear Burqas, dress modestly and have been attacked, sexually assaulted, or raped. Not to mention that in Saudi Arabia there is no law prohibiting rape within marriage. Furthermore, pregnancy can be used as evidence of sex having taken place, and women who report rape or sexual violence can be considered to have confessed to having had unlawful sex *(zina)* and be prosecuted and punished by corporal punishments. These include floggings and even stoning
I wish he would have kept her on that point, she literally had no answer.
@@robertmcelwaine7024 She's really just talking out her ass.
@@iBall24-7 Same! I love to see people like that squirm under pressure, until they admit "I don't know".
@@spybubbble As entertaining as it is, in a perfect world people in that situation would be more practical and consider/reconsider their beliefs.
It's my #1 problem with religiosity. Most people are to prideful and stubborn to change their position.
I always ask myself "why do I believe x" "am I wrong?" "Are there more factors and variables to consider?" "Am I being naiive," "am I being biased?"
51:58 My ears must be playing tricks on me...
like it's funny she never saw how this would apply to her faith hmmmmm
Finally someone telling the truth
42 50 Bang on the bullseye , truth at last ..
WHY DON'T WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND DO AWAY WITH ALL RELIGIOUS BC! ???
Immense respect to the first Imam who spoke.
She is free to oppress herself with a burqa.
The armed forces are more often than not tools of empire.
I think it should definitely be banned in certain places, Banks, Courtrooms, public offices and I'm sure there are other situations where it can represent some sort of hindrance or security concern, otherwise, as horrible a I personally find it, I'm not in favor of banning anything.
The woman in burqa does not speak for all Muslim women.
You and everyone else who comes to our country abides with our religion and our culture.
He said Judaism would not like to expand. They rule the world!
57 39 Bang on .
Social interaction is fundamentally what human beings are about, and the face is at the heart of that interaction, without that, it's gone. So its being a 'personal choice' means little in this debate. You don't get to choose the course and nature of interactions for your fellow citizens.
What irks me is any criticism of wearing the Burqa, and I fully support a woman's choice to wear whatever she likes, is seemingly condemned as bullying, or someone being put on trial as Bidisha states. No one forced the woman who was wearing the Burqa to come on the program, and she clearly made the choice to be questioned about it by Nicky. It was pretty clear she couldn't fully defend her position on why she wears it. I'm not for any legislation that would ban women from wearing the Burqa, however, there is a clear double standard that she has that she feels she should wear one but doesn't think men have to.
It makes me scared
Should Catholic priests be allowed to marry? Absolutely! Imagine how much clergy abuse would be reduced! Because how many rules are there governing people's personal lives as it is. Abuse is never ok no matter what the circumstances are but it's partially because of these rules that these issues happen.
55 00 Pure and utter heresy .
Very interesting, the young priest was a dawk the older one knew what he was talking about as a practicing Catholic, I wouldn't hold back telling that young priest where to go, I've done it before haven't been excommunicated yet.😊
No it isnt choice,they have no choice
44 00 " The holy father " , That's Gods title .
16 05 After hearing that moronic statement maybe the other girl may have had a point .
You give the devil a choice to be gay(PEACE)
The PROFIT $$$$$$$
No kiding ,it should be banned,good for france
Amazing how she simply hadn’t considered the most obvious line of inquiry “Why not men, too?”. This shows the oppressive nature of religion on the free mind. No need to think, we’ve already done that for you.
One example please ???
@@SuperPatrick777 the entirety of theology. How’s that. If not, how about this? Muhammad is the messenger of god, and us the perfect man. Head to Iran and debate that with an Imam and see if you get out of the country alive. Here’s another one - the earth is 5,000 years old. And another, God is the creator of the universe.
@@DragonballG. Yeah like men changing into women pagan worship of the world ( Save the planet crap ) , life coming from non life being related to bacteria and coming from an ape like creature , need I go on .
@@SuperPatrick777the example was Why don't Muslim Men need to cover their face?
Face veil is not encouraged
God should cover up his face and not create women and just be one big male-loving ceremony to celebrate the mighty man. He should stop telling us about his prostate cancer and other things because we don't want to know what you do.
55 00 Pure and utter heresy,
Its rude. End of. Go away.