You all say Jerry but it's not in all Jerry has 36 overall shit Brady holds that much almost in being the only 44 year old to do half of the shit he just did believe if break it down Brady has well over 36
Just like next year everything he does will be a record first 45 year old to win a game run for a touchdown if he gets a sneak first 45 to do everything shit he will break 30 next year alone first 45 to win 1 game first 45 to win 2 games first 45 to score 1 touchdown first 45 to score 2 touchdown so on and so on so count all records think about and that's not counting most rings playoffs division wins passing records and all kinda shit
@@HimLahey You actually took the time to write that ? Jerry was 6'3 215 lbs. He was the only WR to embarrass Neon Deon despite not having track speed. Played at a higher level for at least 7 yrs longer than Moss. He was great enough to be invited to training camp at 42 yrs old - with the Broncos. He was cut because Shanahan said that Rice hurt the confidence of the younger WR's in the roster - he outplayed them .. AT 42 ! When Moss was in his late 30's - he was watching passes float over his head without even attempting to catch them. ..IN THE SUPER BOWL !
If Moss would of been as dedicated as Jerry was then he might have ended up being the greatest but Rice was just so competitive he was the Michael Jordan of wide receivers.
With QBs I ask myself, "Would they thrive anywhere else?" Brady needs a good team around him. Rodgers would be a beast wherever. I don't even count rings. Those are team accomplishments. Who can make every throw, improvise, scramble, stare a rush down? Manning, Elway, Marino...so many QB studs many of whom didn't have the supporting cast but had plenty of individual talent.
At the same time, you really can't discount clutch performance and intangibles when it comes to QB's either and that's where QB's like Montana and Brady really shine
People who defend Moss are so quick to shit on Dante Culpepper. Culpepper's best season was 2004, where he had a 110 qb rating. You know what, Randy Moss was injured a lot that year and only caught a little more than 700 yards. He was a great QB. Culpepper's decline had to do with a massive knee injury, not losing Moss. Meanwhile Jerrys best season he had Elvis Grbac throwing more passes to him than Steve Young. Jerry made every QB look great.
Physical attributes mean nothing if you lack the desire.The fact that he talked about down years is a testament to how good Jerry was.1200 at 40 is pretty impressive.
Anybody who says randy moss was a better wide receiver than Jerry Rice just doesn't know how dominant Jerry Rice was and for how long. He's the only wide receiver in history to have been legitimately considered for MVP. He honestly should have won it in 1987 when he caught 22 TDs in 12 games
That goes both ways though. I do believe Jerry Rice is way better than Moss.they did change a lot of rules to favor the wide receiver they also changed a lot of the rules to go against the wide receiver. So yeah it goes both ways
Ha! 2019? late November 2020. Anyways, if you believe that the greatest wide receiver is second on receiving touchdowns and third in receiving yards, you are as wrong as 2020.
I think its funny how kids today think they know everything even though they weren't alive back then to see Rice play and compare the two. Anyone who's every watched both play will tell you Rice was better, and it really isn't that close.
That's why I no longer have discussions about the best players in team sports. I wanted to play wide receiver my whole life because of Jerry Rice, when I got to high school nobody could throw me the ball. Even when you have a quarterback who can throw the ball he needs protection so you have to have a receiver who can run the route and have good hands, you have to have a quarterback who can throw the ball to the receiver, then you have to have an offensive line that can give the quarterback the time and protection to do that. Thats why Tom Brady has been so successful. Randy Moss is a better wide receiver then Jerry Rice because he could do everything Jerry Rice could do but Jerry Rice couldn't do everything Randy Moss could do. Unfortunately as you put it Jerry had great quarterbacks and Jerry also didn't share his catches with another great receiver like Chris Carter 🤷🏾♂️.
Ohhhh boyyyy I got some new ammo for you Jerry Rice haters “Jerry only benefitted by having 2 HOF QBs beside him” *Receiving Yards Per Game* Jerry Rice with Elvis Grbac: 96.9 Randy Moss with Tom Brady: 87.1 Jerry Rice was a wildly productive GOAT receiver with or without HOF QBs.
I love Randy but this is not even a debate. Sure, Randy was a FREAK and probably Top 2-3, but just compare the playoff numbers. NO ONE in the history of the NFL was more clutch in big games than Jerry Rice. His Super Bowl numbers are untouchable.
Randy Moss made Randall Cunningham and Donte Culpepper look like pro bowlers.... As great as Rice was, he played in a perfect system for his skill set. Not to mention he played for two HOF QBs in Montana and Rice, and another MVP in Rich Gannon.
Moss lined up with Chris Carter and Gronk. He had Duante Culpeper in his pre injury MVP level prime . Randall Cunningham during his Comeback year. Tom Brady ...plus DB's could throw WR's around like ragdolls in Rice's era. Rice went to Oakland in his mid 30's and became the No. 1 reciever while Tim Brown was still in his prime . Made two pro bowls while he was there. When Moss entered his MID 30's he was no longer a pro bowler nor a No.1 . No contest....RICE No 1.
Plus ...the " system " Rice played in was a standard offensive system that is still used by Tom Brady , Rodgers , Brees and Big Ben. If anything , Moss played in a more evolved version of the West Coast offense + enjoyed rule changes that benefitted the passing game .
@@cali4niasf well, Moss played 4 games with Gronk in his rookie year. Cunningham only had his "comeback" year because of Moss. Don't even get me started on Culpepper, that's laughable. Are you saying Moss played with better talent??? Lol. Stop it. Rice had longevity. Cool. He never sustained a creer ending injury. That's awesome. But pure talent and skill, size and athletic ability, Moss stands alone.
@@josephjohnroe3678 If you want to consider Moss the most talented ..ok. But the "best" ...nope. A lot of people have talent - but if you don't fully apply it - doesn't matter. Moss was a head case - Rice used to bitch and moan but was loyal to his team , QB and coach. Rice loved what he did. Moss was great but he is the type who'd quit football if you offered him a motion picture contract. Rice is probably still hitting the gym , running routes and studying film on DB's in 2019. Even you know this.
@@josephjohnroe3678 Athleticism sure, Randy is tops. Skill though? Not a chance. The only thing skillwise Moss did better than Rice is catch the deep ball. Rice did absolutely everything else better.
A better debate is Randy Moss vs Terrell Owens. Two players with similar body of works, career stats, and even personalities. Both teamhopped a lot, both are ringless, both of their careers nearly overlapped. Now this is a real debate that requires actual thought. Because they’re both legends but so similar.
The NFL itself voted Jerry Rice the greatest foobtall player to ever play the game. I could go on but it'd be a waste of my fuckin' time. This discussion is absurd on its face.
Tell em Mike! These fools talking about Moss is better than Rice need to be taught a lesson. I will add that Rice had 14 1,000 yard seasons! Let me repeat 14 1,000 yard seasons! No receiver has even came close to that including Moss. Moss only had 10. Additionally Rice had a better catch/ dropped pass percentage. Lastly in his best season Rice had over 1,800 yards. Moss only had 1,600. This debate is not even close. Men lie, women lie, but the numbers dont'. And lets not even talk about the superbowl rings. Man Ray Charles can see and Stevie doesn't have to wonder that Rice trumps Moss everyday of the week and twice on Sundays!
Randy Moss is probably the most gifted WRs ever. Jerry Rice is the GOAT WR to ever play the position; greatest work ethic, greatest competitor, etc. he was the Michael Jordan of the position. Jerry Rice was not as fast as Moss but just as fast with the ball in the air or the ball in his hands. We will never see another Jerry Rice. We will see players just like Randy Moss!
Fug Babylon lol where anywhere has it been documented Moss ran a 4.12? You know the fastest documented 40 yard dash was Chris Johnson which was a 4.32 forth yard dash. I know there’s probably some urban legend Moss ran an incredible 40 yard dash but 4.12? Come on Bruh check documented facts. Moss was great but how many times did you see Moss go over the middle? Rice was a complete WR; he blocked downfield, went over the middle, helped win Super Bowls, etc There is no comparison and any knowledgeable fan would understand that. Vernon Davis was 6’3, 260lbs, and ran a 40 in 4.4. All documented but it didn’t translate into greatness! Only 2 seasons of greatness. Moss was great for 4-5 years. Rice was great for an entire career. For Moss to even have to bring up how great he was should have the average fan doubt his greatness, Bruh !
Xavier Vega Your absolutely right; Moss played below his ability. Rice had the greatest speed from 10 yards to 50 yards I ever saw. He had exceptional football speed. Rice was the greatest WR, L.Taylor greatest Defensive Player, Joe Montana Greatest QB, Tom Brady greatest football player ever, period.
Moss had a one dementional game GOING DEEP. RICE COULD CATCH A 5 YARD PASS ONCE A WEEK AND TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE. HIS ROUTES WERE BETTER THEN ANYONE ! AND NO ONE WILL EVER QUESTION THE MANS WORK ETHIC. EASILY GREATEST RECEIVER ALL TIME, AND PROBABLY GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
are you fucking high on meth? Moss is the most, the most explosive he could take it from a screen a slant anything and take it to the house. wayyyyyyyy more of an impact on the game, and I'm a TO fan personally. 1. Moss 2. TO 3. Rice
1. You're most likely young and never saw rice in his prime, moss could not even get near what rice did on a weekly basis. Or a crack head that grew up a vikings fan
Chris D Moss had a chance to spout his BS claim directly to Joe Montana; but you saw he wasn't brave nor stupid enough to make that "I'm a better WR then Rice" to Joe!! LOL
Randy moss impacted the game just as much as Jerry Rice... the cover 3 defense was created for Randy Moss.. an entire defensive philosophy was created for him....
Eros Adonis Hold up.... are you really trying to say that moss was better than rice...Come on man stop it..y'all got to stop this shit... moss would take off plays and didn't block like rice did..rice is the yac king are you serious..I like moss but he's not even close...
Smooth Criminal I'm not saying moss is better than rice.. I agree, rice is the pinnacle... but moss is in that conversation, he had just as much impact as Jerry Rice...
bruh bruh Not really? Drew Brees has 1 ring but will probably set every passing record by the time he retires. A team is more than just 1 player when it comes to winning games. Moss is the best in my opinion though. Rice cheated
@@GRONKOSAURUS yea we know a team is more than one player. But we talking about the best wide reciever to play the game. The G.O.A.T of all wide receivers. And thats Jerry Rice. Who cares about drew brees and his one ring. Joe montana is the G.O.A.T of qb's. Nobody will remeber a drew brees. Until brees wins 4 super bowls and win 2 of them back to back without throwing an interception then ill consider having a conversation with you about that. And moss sucks ass. Dont compare a myth to a legend. Moss is a wannabe.
@I’m wrong but i look at it like this. Brees can can break every single passing record he wants. Im surprised he hasnt broken it yet with how water down football is today. But the fact is he will never be the G.O.A.T. of qb's. You wouldnt be able to use brees name next to joe montana. It would never happen. So like i said if and when drew brees leads his team 4 times to the Superbowl then we can have a conversation about this.
Jerry Rice is the best. He was consistent over a 20 year career. He wasn't the most talented or the most athletic. You are hard pressed to find a spectacular acrobatic catch by Rice but what you will find is consistent route running and the ability to get open and make the catch when his team needed it. He was a machine and the master of his craft.
Lolol people give Rice wayyyyy too much credit, was he really good absolutely, and without a doubt an all time great. But lets be real how many guys played with not one but 2 hall of fame qbs for the majority of their career. Imagine calvin Johnson or Moss with over a decade catching passes from hall of famers and on great teams.
@@alp21188 19-0 my ass. They went 18-1 and the one game was THE SUPER BOWL. To quote the great Michael Jordan "It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring"
I remember watching a segment back in the day where the other teams KNEW the Vikings were running the ball, because Randy would just leave the huddle and his "body psychology" basically told them.. that he wasn't involved in the play... so they knew it was a run.. because he could care less about run blocking.
Anybody who ever watched Randy in his prime knows who the goat is. The years he had a HOF QB he blew up the record books. Replace Culpeper with Montana and moss gets a handfull of rings too
Daniel Hardman From 2000 to 2004 Moss helped make Daunte Culpepper an All Pro. After Moss’s departure, Culpepper struggled to stay a starter in the NFL, ultimately playing five more years for four different teams, with a combined record of 5-22.
Jay Stein Because Daunte wrecked his knee in 2005 and was never the same again. Moss fanboys always conveniently leave that fact out. Plus it's laughable you want to give Montana the credit for Rice's record when fucking TOM BRADY was throwing to Moss when he broke the record in 2007.....and it STILL took Moss 4 more games.
@@xaviervega468 Rice butt buddies always forget that rookie Randy Moss broke the single season scoring record in 1998 with a near 40 year old quarterback who wasn't even in the NFL prior to that season!! Randle Cunningham retired in 1996 and was working for a granite buisiness when coach Dennis Green called him up lolol!!! Due to Moss's dominance, Cunningham made the Pro Bowl that year lolol!!! 😆 😆
People acting like Rice only put up those numbers because he played 20 years. He only played 20 because of what made him great, his work ethic and attitude towards perfection. Moss may have been physically more gifted, but Rice is the GOAT.
“Imagine if Randy Moss had Tom Brady his entire career” *So let’s look at the per game production* 5.3 Rec with Brady 81.4 Yards with Brady 1.08 TDs with Brady Now let’s multiply those numbers by the amount of games Moss played (218) to give us his career stats. It comes out too. 1,155 Receptions 17,746 Receiving Yards 236 Receiving TDs Impressive. Good enough to be *#2 all time* perhaps?
Now imagine if Jerry Rice had Jeff Kemp his entire career *REMINDER* 1986 season with Jeff Kemp at QB 6 - 157 - 1 7 - 120 - 0 3 - 76 - 2 6 - 172 - 3 7 - 144 - 2 3 - 58 - 0 The per game stats are 5.33 Rec with Kemp 121.2 Yards with Kemp 1.33 TDs with Kemp Now let’s multiply those numbers by the amount of games Rice played (303) to give us his career stats. It comes out too. 1,616 Receptions 36,713 Receiving Yards 404 TDs So remember this Mossexuals. Jerry Rice not only owns him in the real world, he *owns* him in the *hypothetical* world.
And if you say “Well dude that’s only 6 games” Then you’re missing the point. The point is that the hypothetical game goes both ways and arguments are not and I repeat ARE NOT won by playing “what if”.
Moss was great and more explosive but he admitted he took plays off and was washed in his early 30s. Rice was the complete receiver could do it all and was still putting up 1,000 yard seasons at 40. Rice was 100% dedicated to the game, Moss was not.
Moss says that then they brake out the stat comparison, haha! It’s a insult personally to Jerry Rice because he worked hard everyday off the field. Moss never matched his worth ethic.
@@strictlybusiness1679 bro are you trolling or just stupid? don’t you think someone else in Rice’s e- in ANY era would have surpassed the numbers rice put up if it was that easy?
@@lucarce4850 If you put Randy in silver spoon fed Rices' shoes...better stats and maybe more rings. Now put Jerry in min 98, wouldn't have those numbers with 20 qbs and glue on his hands...not gloves... stupid kids these days.
@@strictlybusiness1679 how was that rices fault?? And We don’t KNOW that. rice’s work ethic was known to be different and it has to be if you gonna last 20 years playing high level.
It´s not just about numbers. Rice played 4 SBs, won 3, scored eight touchdowns in those games and was mvp in one. Rice is in the debate about who is the greatest PLAYER of all time. When the conversation is about greatest receiver, well, there´s no conversation at all. Stickum? Moss played with better gloves than that and stickum don t make you run better routes or beat guys like Deion. Played for more seasons? Well, play for bigger time e still be a great player is a merit.
In my opinion, Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver of all time. But, Randy Moss is the best. I think there's a difference between the two terms. Greatest goes more along with your legacy such as success, longevity, work ethic, etc... But, in Moss' best years, his impact on the team and his play slightly surpassed Rice's best years. Remember, Moss impacted the game in more ways than just his own production. Moss almost guaranteed a constant double or even triple team. That opens up the rest of the offense. There's a reason why he was on two of the three greatest scoring offenses in NFL history. But, Rice beats him out on the things that really matter legacy-wise. He's a better winner, hard worker, better leader, etc..
You do realize that Moss was also teamed up with Chris Carter who wasn't to shabby himself for a while... And I hope you also realize that Rice had a higher yds per catch then Moss did if comparing their first 4-5 years in the league... Not to mention YAC records started to be kept BECAUSE of Rice... He gained more yards then anyone could imagine that the league had to start keeping track of it. I could mention many more things but it would take to long. I might say Moss had more potential but so did Kwame Brown when he came out of high school for the NBA...
Mike suapaia can u blame moss for not having a ring? i dont believe the 49'ers of the 80's could have beat that 2007 giants team in the superbowl. did you see their pass rush? tom brady had no time to throw the ball and before moss went to new england in his 10th year he never had a joe montana type quarter back.
mritizwatitiz Rice averaged over 20 yards a catch in one of his first 5 seasons. Something Moss has NEVER done. Rice even averaged over 18 yds a catch over the course of his first 5 seasons. Which is also a higher average then Moss. If you're saying Moss is such a deep threat and Jerry isn't why is he beating him in those categories? Not to mention it became a lot easier for teams to air it out in the 2000's then in the 80's and early mid 90's. Even over the course of their entire career, Moss only averaged slightly better yds per catch then Rice did. You should do research to see how many TD's Rice had that were deep passes.. I can almost promise you Rice had more TD's of 30 yds or more then Moss did.
*Receiving Yards Per Game* 96.9 Jerry Rice with Elvis Grbac 95.5 Julio Jones 87.1 Randy Moss with Tom Brady 86.1 Calvin Johnson But yeah he only looks “good” because of 2 HOFs QBs
T.O. believes the same about himself. Old news. All very talented, but Rice was much more disciplined about staying in shape, practicing hard. He was a mad man about his business, totally focused. Rice was no fluke.
@@vikingjedi573 LOL that's your evidence??? He was talking about FISHING. Moss has a reputation as an excellent fisherman. Show me ANY TIME Deion Sanders went on TV and declared Moss the GOAT receiver. You can't because it isn't there.
Rice is the GOAT. But if I need a touchdown with one play left, I'm throwing to randy. If only randy had Joe Montana, Steve young and even an MVP Rich Gannon to throw at him
gannon was not an mvp before playing with rice. rice made gannon an mvp and rice was 40. how many super bowls pro bowls or mvp's did young have before rice ....0 that's how many
+Demarini71691 No he broke 1 record the single season td catch record and he only beat it by 1 td. jerry had 22 in 12 games had there not been a strike that year moss wouldn't have that record
Randy would have been the best ever or could have been if he did not half ass it or take games off as he said he did...... The best ever never does that, he is no Rice because of work Ethic and attitude etc., he had so much potential and had a great career but could have been much more..........
If Moss had the character, drive and work ethic of Rice there would not be a discussion, it would be obvious. Rice is the best WR to ever play the game and top 5 player of all time because of his character, drive and work ethic, not because he's taller, faster, jumps higher than anyone else, a true master of his craft. Not to mention off the field Rice is and always was a true role model, Rice affected an entire generation or more in such a positive way unimaginable to Moss. Jerry Rice in his 40s was catching TDs in the super bowl while Moss in his 30s still had the entitlement of a 19 year old. Hard works beats talent if talent doesn't work hard. Moss achieved everything he did because he was blessed with once in a generation talent, Rice achieved everything he did because he EARNED it.
Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young for almost his entire career. Randy Moss had: Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Daunte Culpepper, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerotte, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, Brett Favre, Alex Smith, Colin Krapernick, Vince Young, Aaron Brooks, Spergon Wynn, Rusty Smith, Marques Tuiasosopo, Brian Hoyer and Jay Fiedler Moss would have destroyed Rice's numbers if he had Montana and Young for his whole career
@@xaviervega468 Moss came up short in a nearly undefeated season with one of the greatest teams of all time. Or to the NFL was he a early reminder of what Marshawn Lynch was ? And didn't need that example of a masculine, confident, and cocky black player influencing future black players to imitate. And reflecting what such conduct developing could lead to if you absorb such behavior as a black player losing it supposedly all on the biggest stage within the league ?
Had Randy played with Tom Brady for 10+ years we may be agreeing with Moss. To be fair, Jerry did have Montana & Young throwing him the ball for 14 of his 20 years. 3 seasons with Brady got Moss 47 TDs and 3700 yds from age 30 to 32. I really can't fault anyone for going with Moss but 3 Rings for Rice, the longevity and the multiple records get him the title GOAT. Edit : correction 2008 Brady got hurt so 11 of those 47 TDs and 1008 yds were from Matt Cassel. 2 years with Brady netted Moss 36 TDs and 2700 yds
@@donaldduvk9226 Well Randy broke Jerry's single season TD record in the 1st season he played with Brady at age 30, which also allowed Tom to nearly double his previous career high in TDs for a season with 50 so that evidence refutes your asinine statement.
Jonathan Deegan You do know Jerry had to complete with All Pro's own his own offense for the ball. He also had QB's named Bono,Garbic,Garcia,Kemp, and others but his touchdowns looked the same. At 40 years old he had over 1,000 yards rec and has 209 touchdowns with over 23,000 total yards. All you have are what ifs and T.O has had more QB's than Moss and their stats are similar. While T.O didn't have a Brady.
@@richmass6556 Trust me, there's nothing about the NFL you know that I don't lol. T.O. should've been 1st ballot over Moss imo and if you read my original post I said Jerry was the GOAT, but that Randy has an argument and many NFL players have said they'd take prime Moss over prime Rice. And Your point about Rice playing with All-Pros works against your argument because they couldn't double Rice like they did Moss (damn that hurts). You also forgot Rich Gannon for the Raiders who was also an All-Pro. Who else wants to get served?
Jonathan Deegan Oh really what was the Two mandates the NFL had in 2005 if I can't tell you something about the League! To help you out about Rice all his touchdowns take up 46 minutes on TH-cam so check it out. Your welcome
I'd rather have Randy Moss to make those unbelievable catches then Jerry Rice who got less hands than Moss and used stickum. Not to mention Randy Moss was the most explosive receiver.
+ethan pond Cris Carter also mentioned he would tell Randy in private he was the best he had ever seen. I think people get too caught up in who is the greatest and who had the greatest career. Jerry had the better career but Randy was the better receiver.
+ethan pond Cris Carter also mentioned he would tell Randy in private he was the best he had ever seen. I think people get too caught up in who is the greatest and who had the greatest career. Jerry had the better career but Randy was the better receiver.
Jerry Rice played with Joe Montana & Steve Young. With Multiple HOF players on the defensive end. Jerry can’t bring Super Bowls into this without bringing up all the HOF who won Super Bowls for him.
That doesn’t matter. He can’t change the quarterback just to put some Nathan petterman bum in. You can’t say that. Bruh you just have to go off stats and how they impacted the game, not their teammates. If you want to go off QB’s, Ramey played with Randall Cunningham as well as Tom Brady and gronk. Stop trying
@@xaviervega468 bro what lmao. football is single elimination. rarely does the best team win. this is the ultimate team sport. if you think that a single player, let alone a wide receiver, has ability to solely win championships then youre delusional. too many variables. 98 vikings and 07 patriots lost a combined 1 regular season game by the way. chip shot missed field goal in 98 and david tyree miracle catch in 07.
Randy Moss led the league in receiving yards 0 years. He led in receptions 0 years. He wasnt that good at much except jumping high in the end zone. Jerry Rice caught 1850 yards with Elvis Grbac throwing to him most of the season. Not even close.
@@coolguy02536 He might have been. Montana was a great QB and rose to the occasion in big games. But he's sandwiched between Jared Goff and Carson Wenz on the all time QB ratings. I think he benifited more from Rice than vice versa.
Not even a competition. Jerry Rice retired with over 100 NFL records...100! The dude had 10 RUSHING touchdowns and was ultra durable. He was tough, smart, ran amazing routes, had crazy good hands and ran better after the catch than any other player in NFL history. But the 208 touchdowns and 22,895 yards with essentially 15 yards per catch says it all. Rice is the GOAT.
He just wouldn't have had those numbers without playing with Hall of Fame QBs, for 15 years, not to mention the pass happy west coast offense and the great teams he played for with multiple weapons on offense.
fooloof Edelman could be considered an elite receiver. Some of the shit he does is amazing. Maybe a lower end elite receiver compared to higher end elite receivers
fooloof I think it's highly impressive that Brady thew to Wes Welker for 1,500 yards during a single season (2011). There's no denying that Brady's level of effiency complimented Moss' dominance.
brmillgr that p@rt what would the numbers say then jerry that dude but man moss is moss dude had his own catch man u got mossed never heard u got riced
moss is the best people say he couldn't make it in the jerry rice 80's era nobody would have touched him to hit him speed quickness he changed the game forever we don't call catching over a defender mossed for nothing
Rice is pretty much the Michael Jordan of wife recievers, He has no blemishes on his record, His stats & Perfect Super Bowl record automatically make him the 🐐
@@Hydrant_Hero haha you CRAZY. Calvin ain't even top 3 bro. You must be a younger dude. You must not know who RANDY MOSS is and how he redefined "DEEP COVERAGE"......LITERALLY and STATISTICALLY. NO ONE caught like he did. NO ONE.
@@PureSwank bro your deadass slow, obviously Megatron isn’t top 3 but you called moss the most athletic which he’s not, that goes to megatron, Julio Jones is more athletic than moss
@@Ben-pi6hc Man Ya'll crazy NONE of them could run as fast, jump as high, nor make acrobatic catches like moss did. That is why they got entire SEGMENTS like "You got Moss'd" for a reason. Ya'll don't understand. Let this sink in.....The Deep coverages you see now?.....Randy INVENTED them. LITERALLY. That is why Randy is Top 3 ALL TIME CHILDREN. IN EVERY WR CONVERSATION. HALL OF FAME. I CAN TELL, YOU YOUNGINS NEVER SAW THAT MONSTER PLAY.
Even though Emmitt Smith has more yards, TD's, and Championships than Barry Sanders I think it is safe to say that Barry was better than Emmitt. Just because Rice has better statistics than Moss doesn't mean he was better, he just played with better QB's, Montana and Young and on better teams.
You don't just judge teams or player based off paper. If that's the case then USC was the best team in the 2005 season. No they weren't because they played Texas and Texas won and what matters is what's done on the field. Stats aren't subjective, they are facts. If stats don't matter, then why do we play the game? The eye test is dumb. If that's the test then we should just say a player is the best without them playing a down because they have the best mechanics/skill.
Agree with Barry being better than Emmitt , but Rice is the GOAT . You can give the ball to a RB quicker than you can give to a receiver . A WR like has to work a little bit to get open . Jerry wasn't the fastest or the tallest , but he could take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 80 yard TD. People put up the argument about Jerry Rice having better QBS , but Randy Moss was on some great Vikings teams his first couple of years . Randy had good QBS with strong arms and people weren't saying this when he was killing the stat sheet with these same QBS .
The difference in those comparisons is that Barry objectively would have broken Smith's record had he continued playing. He kept producing with age. You can compare them head to head and see how/why Barry Sanders was better. With all these people claiming Moss, it's always about what he could have done. Never what he actually DID. Because what he did simply didn't hold a candle to what Jerry Rice did. So there's an illogical argument to suit the belief instead of facts and figures. Here's a fact: Moss fell off a cliff in 2010 at 33. Basically as soon as his physical prime ended. All the great all time receivers had some life at 33. Rice should've been MVP in 1995 at 33, leading the league with 1848 yards, catching something like 122 passes and scoring 15 TD's. Steve Largent was still productive. Art Monk was still productive. Tim Brown was still productive. Charlie Joiner was still productive. Moss was completely dependent on his physical gifts. Once they eroded, he went from being a threat, to a guy who got let go by TWO separate teams in one season. And you wanna call him the GOAT?!?! PSSSH! Sit. Down.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot Man I couldn't have said it any better myself . Like you said Randy Moss depended on his physical gifts and like you also said once they eroded he wasn't much of a factor . You can't run deep routes and out run DBs for 15 to 20 years because the league is getting younger and faster every year . The greatest in every sport understood that their gifts wouldn't be the same as time went on and they would have to rely on their knowledge of their respected sport and the remaining ability they had left to be productive at the twilight of their careers . Michael Jordan and Jerry Rice understood this . Randy Moss apparently didn't receive the memorandum .
EXACTLY... STEVE YOUNG, JOE MONTANA, & BILL WALSH..?? Yeah Rice did have a more Celebrated Career.. BUT AS AN INDIVIDUAL RANDY MOSS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE TO PLAY THE WR POSITION.. Hands Down
Calvin Johnson the biggest, most explosive and dominant receiver I have ever seen. If Antonio Brown gets back out there I think he passes everyone, something special
@@mindhunter8772 Well AB isn't on a team, so technically he's not a receiver. But If he was, then I'd say AB. Beckham has never been ranked higher by NFL players.
Rice has a better RESUME. But yall know when that defensive back is on an island, 1 on 1, who's he more terrified of? Moss was SCARY good, imagine how defensive backs felt guarding him or megatron. If I have 1 reciever for 1 game to decide my life, I'm picking randy moss, then calvin, then let the chips fall where they may. Julio somewhere up there..
G-_-Destroya that’s cause you don’t know enough about Jerry, my dude. I get it, those other guys are huge. But Rice’s routes made Moss’s and Johnson’s look pedestrian by comparison. Childlike, even. Moss was great because he would make catches even when he wasn’t open. Jerry didn’t need that skill nearly as much even though he still had it. Guys could not guard him off the line, and this is back in the day where DBs were allowed to absolutely mug the WR. Jerry Rice, 1 on 1 with today’s rules? Absolute nightmare. Better to take your chances having Randy or Calvin climb your back for a catch than to watch 80 catching an easy one from 10 yards away because he clowned you at the line of scrimmage.
@@TheFlowBrothers I mean, he has a valid point. It's harder to get 1000 yards now than it was in rice's time. So I agree that rices numbers were undeniable. Doesnt change the fact that Calvin and moss were still more dominant at their position. I'd still choose them simply because they had no weaknesses in their game.
G-_-Destroya jerry had better hands, superior route running, an innate ability to create separation, downfield blocking, durability, they started tracking YAC because of Jerry. He turned 10 yard slants into 50 yards and a TD. Not to mention his durability and worth ethic. He was the whole package and more. Moss can outrun and out jump dudes better I would say but he was not more complete. Rice played his best in the biggest games where Randy did not. He got flat out embarrassed by Jason Sehorn in the 2000 NFC championship game. Jerry never disappeared when it mattered most and Moss also took plays off. This isn’t an argument at all
Only thing Randy Moss has on Jerry Rice is speed Rice has everything else & he would never quit on his teams Randy has been quoted saying “I’ll play when I want to play” Jerry would never say that
If this were a video game, maybe Moss is better, but in real life, no way. You can’t quit on your team like Moss did with the Raiders, and call yourself the best ever. You can’t be in the prime of your career and have two different teams trade you because you’re such a problem off the field or in the locker room, that they feel they’re better off without you, and still call yourself the best. Is Randy more physically gifted? Yes. Did Randy do everything he possibly could to make himself and his team better every time he stepped on the field, in the weight room, or in the film room? Nope! He’s no different than other great talents like Antonio Brown, and OBJ. They can certainly put up big numbers in the box score, but none of them are winners.
Well said ....kill them with facts beyond stats.....work ethic, team morality, organizational competence, etc ...... big disparity and vast difference between the two....same with TO....gifted and had the work ethic but also a malcontent at some at each stop.....issues with organizations
The people who watched Moss play says Moss is better, the people who watched Rice play says Rice was better, the people who watched them both play actually makes a good argument, so, if you didnt watch them both, then your probably making a stupid argument
I watched them both. If I had one game to determine whether I or not I lose my house. I would take RICE as the #1 WR. I know if I took Moss I would need to pray he feels like he wants to play that day.
@@jadenkelly5969 people just want to say moss is better because he is more flashy which is dumb. Moss clearly isn’t the best and anyone with a brain would say Jerry is the best. Majority of people only pick moss over Jerry cause of madden
Rice actually holds an NFL record for holding the most NFL records.
Brady has the most
@@joshricci8459 definitely jerry
Yea but he.had single coverage most of the time
You all say Jerry but it's not in all Jerry has 36 overall shit Brady holds that much almost in being the only 44 year old to do half of the shit he just did believe if break it down Brady has well over 36
Just like next year everything he does will be a record first 45 year old to win a game run for a touchdown if he gets a sneak first 45 to do everything shit he will break 30 next year alone first 45 to win 1 game first 45 to win 2 games first 45 to score 1 touchdown first 45 to score 2 touchdown so on and so on so count all records think about and that's not counting most rings playoffs division wins passing records and all kinda shit
Randy Moss might be the most gifted reciever i've ever seen play. But Jerry is simply the best. Period
PERIOD !!!
@@cali4niasf jerry rice wouldnt even make the league in 2019
@@HimLahey You actually took the time to write that ? Jerry was 6'3 215 lbs. He was the only WR to embarrass Neon Deon despite not having track speed. Played at a higher level for at least 7 yrs longer than Moss. He was great enough to be invited to training camp at 42 yrs old - with the Broncos. He was cut because Shanahan said that Rice hurt the confidence of the younger WR's in the roster - he outplayed them .. AT 42 ! When Moss was in his late 30's - he was watching passes float over his head without even attempting to catch them. ..IN THE SUPER BOWL !
@@cali4niasf jerry rice was 6'1 and ran a 4.7... he is slower then most linebackers in todays league
@@cali4niasf he was great in the 80s and 90s, too slow and too small for todays league though... also no more stickem
If Moss would of been as dedicated as Jerry was then he might have ended up being the greatest but Rice was just so competitive he was the Michael Jordan of wide receivers.
This statement pretty much sums it all up.
Yea, with stickum
no no no you need to watch the tapes. Dedication, competitiveness it's all nice and all. Randy's still better
Says a boomer
It’s called getting “Mossed” period.
Jerry Rice was still going to the pro bowl when he was 40. He caught 22 touchdowns in a 12 game season.
BEST EVER, period.
He wouldnt do that in today's game.
@@chriswilson1968 you are right. Numbers would be higher. Game is way more passing friendly now.
@@chriswilson1968 He would do MORE in today's game with how soft receivers are treated.
@@capnawesome4649 and more rules on the DBs
Moss is the most talented I've ever seen, Rice by far had the greatest career ever. This analogy also applies to Rodgers vs Brady in my opinion.
Jason Settle Great example!
This is a fair statement.
Or Brees vs Brady.
With QBs I ask myself, "Would they thrive anywhere else?" Brady needs a good team around him. Rodgers would be a beast wherever. I don't even count rings. Those are team accomplishments. Who can make every throw, improvise, scramble, stare a rush down? Manning, Elway, Marino...so many QB studs many of whom didn't have the supporting cast but had plenty of individual talent.
At the same time, you really can't discount clutch performance and intangibles when it comes to QB's either and that's where QB's like Montana and Brady really shine
People who defend Moss are so quick to shit on Dante Culpepper. Culpepper's best season was 2004, where he had a 110 qb rating. You know what, Randy Moss was injured a lot that year and only caught a little more than 700 yards. He was a great QB. Culpepper's decline had to do with a massive knee injury, not losing Moss.
Meanwhile Jerrys best season he had Elvis Grbac throwing more passes to him than Steve Young. Jerry made every QB look great.
Ah, it's nice to see an educated football fan in this chat.
Culpepper was very good for awhile.
Love Randy I’m a Marshall guy. Always rooted for him but Jerry Rice never quit on his team
Physical attributes mean nothing if you lack the desire.The fact that he talked about down years is a testament to how good Jerry was.1200 at 40 is pretty impressive.
Jerry Rice is literally the greatest FOOTBALL player ever not named Tom Brady.
Nah it’s Lawrence Taylor
Deion Sanders is
Between 1981 and 1994 there were two types of people in the NFL, Lawerence Taylor, and people Lawrence Taylor allowed to exist.
He’s the greatest ever not including QB’s. He’s top 5 all time including everyone.
Facts!
Anybody who says randy moss was a better wide receiver than Jerry Rice just doesn't know how dominant Jerry Rice was and for how long. He's the only wide receiver in history to have been legitimately considered for MVP. He honestly should have won it in 1987 when he caught 22 TDs in 12 games
I’m a bit puzzled on how John Elway got MVP in 1987.
How much longer did Rice play then Moss?
@@brainwashed1542 miss played 16 rice played 21
@@lampini ok image if Moss played if Mossed played 21 Seasons…….
@@lampini ok I’ll round down to 18 seasons and he had Brady for three of them….
It would bring you got Mossed to a WHOLE ANOTHER LEVEL….
Should not even be a debate. Jerry Rice from now till the end.
Sammy's Scary Tales Yeah it ain’t no debate Moss better he ain’t have to cheat.
Randy moss literally caught how many balls one handed jerry can’t even use both hands without super glue
ALL HAIL LORD MEGATRON!
Jerry rice used stick em
Andrew Munlin yea fuckin glue smartass
Gonna use a John Wick quote to settle this.
Rice was a man of focus, commitment, and sheer f**king will. Something Moss knew very little about.
Very little ? Moss knew absolutely nothing about that !
Jerry Rice should've just said "He's entitled to his opinion.". If you leave it up to your fans, then you don't have to defend the GOAT status.
Isn't that what he said
Jerry Rice. One of the most amazing athletes of all time.
Thank you!
The majority of people, especially those who matter or played the game, know that Jerry Rice is the greatest WR to ever play.
Rice is the best Football player ever in my opinion And Randy went to the big dance with us he knows how we feel about Jerry “CMoN man”
Jerry did it before they made it more offensive favored league.
That goes both ways though. I do believe Jerry Rice is way better than Moss.they did change a lot of rules to favor the wide receiver they also changed a lot of the rules to go against the wide receiver. So yeah it goes both ways
speak on it
Moss definitely had athleticism and made some unbelievable catches. But Rice was a much better overall football player.
Jerry Rice took star ability and turned himself into a superstar. Moss took superstar ability and turned himself into a star.
Uploaded in early 2013, in our recommended in 2019
Ha! 2019? late November 2020. Anyways, if you believe that the greatest wide receiver is second on receiving touchdowns and third in receiving yards, you are as wrong as 2020.
fax😂
When the greatest cover corner in NFL history (Deion Sanders) says Jerry rice is the G.O.A.T., that pretty much seals it.
Frankie Spearman moss burned D. Sanders
Dante Mills he never did give me proof plus randy and Deion can go the same speed
Dante Mills when deion was old and had hamstring injury
Gravivector oh ok. Well either way not at his 100%
I think its funny how kids today think they know everything even though they weren't alive back then to see Rice play and compare the two. Anyone who's every watched both play will tell you Rice was better, and it really isn't that close.
Exactly. These stupid young fools don’t know SHIT!
Lol they act like he caught every ball that was thrown to him he made big play but not every single play and he only effective on deep routes
They get their information from madden not real life
Jerry also played with 2 Hall of Fame Quarterbacks for like 15 years tho
That's why I no longer have discussions about the best players in team sports. I wanted to play wide receiver my whole life because of Jerry Rice, when I got to high school nobody could throw me the ball. Even when you have a quarterback who can throw the ball he needs protection so you have to have a receiver who can run the route and have good hands, you have to have a quarterback who can throw the ball to the receiver, then you have to have an offensive line that can give the quarterback the time and protection to do that. Thats why Tom Brady has been so successful. Randy Moss is a better wide receiver then Jerry Rice because he could do everything Jerry Rice could do but Jerry Rice couldn't do everything Randy Moss could do. Unfortunately as you put it Jerry had great quarterbacks and Jerry also didn't share his catches with another great receiver like Chris Carter 🤷🏾♂️.
Thats not his fault lmaoo
Ohhhh boyyyy I got some new ammo for you Jerry Rice haters
“Jerry only benefitted by having 2 HOF QBs beside him”
*Receiving Yards Per Game*
Jerry Rice with Elvis Grbac: 96.9
Randy Moss with Tom Brady: 87.1
Jerry Rice was a wildly productive GOAT receiver with or without HOF QBs.
But moss had Brady later in his career
I love Randy but this is not even a debate. Sure, Randy was a FREAK and probably Top 2-3, but just compare the playoff numbers. NO ONE in the history of the NFL was more clutch in big games than Jerry Rice. His Super Bowl numbers are untouchable.
That and regular season He’s still had the greatest stretches and career of anyone ever
*Moss 4 Playoff Games with Brady (age 30)*
25 Targets
12 Recs
142 Yards
1 TD
*Rice 1st Playoff Game with Gannon (age 39)*
11 Targets
9 Recs
183 Yards
1 TD
Facts
Jerry Rice is a savage. “You’re still trying to get your first Super Bowl”.
Randy Moss made Randall Cunningham and Donte Culpepper look like pro bowlers....
As great as Rice was, he played in a perfect system for his skill set. Not to mention he played for two HOF QBs in Montana and Rice, and another MVP in Rich Gannon.
Moss lined up with Chris Carter and Gronk. He had Duante Culpeper in his pre injury MVP level prime . Randall Cunningham during his Comeback year. Tom Brady ...plus DB's could throw WR's around like ragdolls in Rice's era. Rice went to Oakland in his mid 30's and became the No. 1 reciever while Tim Brown was still in his prime . Made two pro bowls while he was there. When Moss entered his MID 30's he was no longer a pro bowler nor a No.1 . No contest....RICE No 1.
Plus ...the " system " Rice played in was a standard offensive system that is still used by Tom Brady , Rodgers , Brees and Big Ben. If anything , Moss played in a more evolved version of the West Coast offense + enjoyed rule changes that benefitted the passing game .
@@cali4niasf well, Moss played 4 games with Gronk in his rookie year. Cunningham only had his "comeback" year because of Moss. Don't even get me started on Culpepper, that's laughable.
Are you saying Moss played with better talent??? Lol. Stop it.
Rice had longevity. Cool. He never sustained a creer ending injury. That's awesome. But pure talent and skill, size and athletic ability, Moss stands alone.
@@josephjohnroe3678 If you want to consider Moss the most talented ..ok. But the "best" ...nope. A lot of people have talent - but if you don't fully apply it - doesn't matter. Moss was a head case - Rice used to bitch and moan but was loyal to his team , QB and coach. Rice loved what he did. Moss was great but he is the type who'd quit football if you offered him a motion picture contract. Rice is probably still hitting the gym , running routes and studying film on DB's in 2019. Even you know this.
@@josephjohnroe3678 Athleticism sure, Randy is tops. Skill though? Not a chance. The only thing skillwise Moss did better than Rice is catch the deep ball. Rice did absolutely everything else better.
A better debate is Randy Moss vs Terrell Owens.
Two players with similar body of works, career stats, and even personalities.
Both teamhopped a lot, both are ringless, both of their careers nearly overlapped.
Now this is a real debate that requires actual thought. Because they’re both legends but so similar.
The NFL itself voted Jerry Rice the greatest foobtall player to ever play the game. I could go on but it'd be a waste of my fuckin' time. This discussion is absurd on its face.
Why did Jerry use stickum if he knew it was against the rules. Randy didn't have to cheat lol
Fuck the nfl they want Eli Manning in the HOF 🤦🏽♂️
@@strictlybusiness1679 facts he got less catches in yards in my stat book 😂👌🏾
Rice was putting up 1200 yards and 90 catches in his 40's. Hahahahahahahaha randy who
Yeah but he used stickum the original stickum so hos stats should be taken away period
Rice also has joe Montana and Steve young as his QB I could’ve put those numbers up with them as my QB 😂
Slow ya road champ
Rich Gannon in his prime
Tell em Mike! These fools talking about Moss is better than Rice need to be taught a lesson. I will add that Rice had 14 1,000 yard seasons! Let me repeat 14 1,000 yard seasons! No receiver has even came close to that including Moss. Moss only had 10. Additionally Rice had a better catch/ dropped pass percentage. Lastly in his best season Rice had over 1,800 yards. Moss only had 1,600. This debate is not even close. Men lie, women lie, but the numbers dont'. And lets not even talk about the superbowl rings. Man Ray Charles can see and Stevie doesn't have to wonder that Rice trumps Moss everyday of the week and twice on Sundays!
Randy Moss is probably the most gifted WRs ever. Jerry Rice is the GOAT WR to ever play the position; greatest work ethic, greatest competitor, etc. he was the Michael Jordan of the position. Jerry Rice was not as fast as Moss but just as fast with the ball in the air or the ball in his hands. We will never see another Jerry Rice. We will see players just like Randy Moss!
You actually believe your going to see a 6'4 WR running a 4.12 = 40 yd dash?
*AGAIN* cmon brah what you smokin?
Fug Babylon lol where anywhere has it been documented Moss ran a 4.12? You know the fastest documented 40 yard dash was Chris Johnson which was a 4.32 forth yard dash. I know there’s probably some urban legend Moss ran an incredible 40 yard dash but 4.12? Come on Bruh check documented facts. Moss was great but how many times did you see Moss go over the middle? Rice was a complete WR; he blocked downfield, went over the middle, helped win Super Bowls, etc
There is no comparison and any knowledgeable fan would understand that. Vernon Davis was 6’3, 260lbs, and ran a 40 in 4.4. All documented but it didn’t translate into greatness! Only 2 seasons of greatness. Moss was great for 4-5 years. Rice was great for an entire career. For Moss to even have to bring up how great he was should have the average fan doubt his greatness, Bruh !
@@Butter-gz4kb He didn't. More BS from Moss fanboys. Most delusional fanbase in sports.
Xavier Vega Your absolutely right; Moss played below his ability. Rice had the greatest speed from 10 yards to 50 yards I ever saw. He had exceptional football speed. Rice was the greatest WR, L.Taylor greatest Defensive Player, Joe Montana Greatest QB, Tom Brady greatest football player ever, period.
1 game - Calvin Johnson
1 season - Randy Moss
1 career - Jerry Rice
Luka Polic not bad
Very well put.
Calvin Johnson career or Julian Edleman career?
@kush Lungs I'll take the rings and super bowl MVP. Edleman second to only Jerry Rice in playoff receiving yards and catches. Love Calvin Johnson tho
id switch season to Calvin, he is the current holder for yards in a season, moss is most incosistent player.
Moss had a one dementional game GOING DEEP. RICE COULD CATCH A 5 YARD PASS ONCE A WEEK AND TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE. HIS ROUTES WERE BETTER THEN ANYONE ! AND NO ONE WILL EVER QUESTION THE MANS WORK ETHIC. EASILY GREATEST RECEIVER ALL TIME, AND PROBABLY GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
A-M-E-N!!! ;-)
are you fucking high on meth? Moss is the most, the most explosive he could take it from a screen a slant anything and take it to the house. wayyyyyyyy more of an impact on the game, and I'm a TO fan personally.
1. Moss 2. TO 3. Rice
1. You're most likely young and never saw rice in his prime, moss could not even get near what rice did on a weekly basis. Or a crack head that grew up a vikings fan
Please tell these fools!!! Moss isn't even fit to wash Rice's dirty jock.
Chris D Moss had a chance to spout his BS claim directly to Joe Montana; but you saw he wasn't brave nor stupid enough to make that "I'm a better WR then Rice" to Joe!! LOL
Randy moss impacted the game just as much as Jerry Rice... the cover 3 defense was created for Randy Moss.. an entire defensive philosophy was created for him....
Eros Adonis nice facts,
I never knew fhat
+Patrick #PrimeTimeJr Peterson#P2Nation that
Eros Adonis Hold up.... are you really trying to say that moss was better than rice...Come on man stop it..y'all got to stop this shit...
moss would take off plays and didn't block like rice did..rice is the yac king are you serious..I like moss but he's not even close...
Smooth Criminal I'm not saying moss is better than rice.. I agree, rice is the pinnacle... but moss is in that conversation, he had just as much impact as Jerry Rice...
Larry Fitzgerald just made 2nd on the receiving yards list with 15,975 yds he only needs 7,000 more yards to catch Rice 😂
Those stats wont mean anything unless you got the rings.
bruh bruh Not really? Drew Brees has 1 ring but will probably set every passing record by the time he retires. A team is more than just 1 player when it comes to winning games. Moss is the best in my opinion though. Rice cheated
Adam Guardipee 😂😂😂😂
@@GRONKOSAURUS yea we know a team is more than one player. But we talking about the best wide reciever to play the game. The G.O.A.T of all wide receivers. And thats Jerry Rice. Who cares about drew brees and his one ring. Joe montana is the G.O.A.T of qb's. Nobody will remeber a drew brees. Until brees wins 4 super bowls and win 2 of them back to back without throwing an interception then ill consider having a conversation with you about that. And moss sucks ass. Dont compare a myth to a legend. Moss is a wannabe.
@I’m wrong but i look at it like this. Brees can can break every single passing record he wants. Im surprised he hasnt broken it yet with how water down football is today. But the fact is he will never be the G.O.A.T. of qb's. You wouldnt be able to use brees name next to joe montana. It would never happen. So like i said if and when drew brees leads his team 4 times to the Superbowl then we can have a conversation about this.
Jerry Rice is the best. He was consistent over a 20 year career. He wasn't the most talented or the most athletic. You are hard pressed to find a spectacular acrobatic catch by Rice but what you will find is consistent route running and the ability to get open and make the catch when his team needed it. He was a machine and the master of his craft.
Also Jerry Rice holds multiple NFL Records... Rice played in the 1980s and 1990s when the game was more aggressive....💯💯💯💯
Jerry Rice was also one of the best run blocking WRs ever.
Rice balled out in every super bowl he played in. How did moss do with those alligator arms?
🎯🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rice is the GOAT. The only real argument for Moss is that he didn't have the QB support that Jerry had (Tom Brady for 2 Seasons wasn't enough).
Chris Carter
Lolol people give Rice wayyyyy too much credit, was he really good absolutely, and without a doubt an all time great. But lets be real how many guys played with not one but 2 hall of fame qbs for the majority of their career. Imagine calvin Johnson or Moss with over a decade catching passes from hall of famers and on great teams.
imagine the 07 season, moss and brady but a decade. Would be straight wild numbers
Imagine Rice playing today's soft era where you can barely breathe on the receiver. Rice would have well over 30,000 yds receiving.
@@xaviervega468 lol they played in the general era, Rice retired in 03, randy was a 4 time pro bowler by that point
David Roque Guerrero yes moss and Brady went buck wild. Went 19-0 that season
@@alp21188 19-0 my ass. They went 18-1 and the one game was THE SUPER BOWL. To quote the great Michael Jordan "It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring"
I remember watching a segment back in the day where the other teams KNEW the Vikings were running the ball, because Randy would just leave the huddle and his "body psychology" basically told them.. that he wasn't involved in the play... so they knew it was a run.. because he could care less about run blocking.
Men Lie, Women Lie, But numbers don't. All hail the Goat Jerry Rice. In his 40s and was putting up numbers with the Raiders.
Facts 💯
Rice had a better work ethic. Moss had more talent. work ethic beats talent any day of the week.
By now "work ethic" has been spammed enough to render it a completely meaningless buzzterm.
No it doesn't lol
Lmao no it doesn’t
Heart always wins
@@vikingjedi573 It does when talent dosen't work hard enough. That is clearly the case between Rice and Moss.
Anybody who ever watched Randy in his prime knows who the goat is. The years he had a HOF QB he blew up the record books. Replace Culpeper with Montana and moss gets a handfull of rings too
LOL "Blew up the record books" The only record he broke was TD's for a season, and it took him all 16 games to break a record Rice set in only 12.
Xavier Vega and who was throwing him the ball(?)
Daniel Hardman From 2000 to 2004 Moss helped make Daunte Culpepper an All Pro. After Moss’s departure, Culpepper struggled to stay a starter in the NFL, ultimately playing five more years for four different teams, with a combined record of 5-22.
Jay Stein
Because Daunte wrecked his knee in 2005 and was never the same again. Moss fanboys always conveniently leave that fact out.
Plus it's laughable you want to give Montana the credit for Rice's record when fucking TOM BRADY was throwing to Moss when he broke the record in 2007.....and it STILL took Moss 4 more games.
@@xaviervega468 Rice butt buddies always forget that rookie Randy Moss broke the single season scoring record in 1998 with a near 40 year old quarterback who wasn't even in the NFL prior to that season!! Randle Cunningham retired in 1996 and was working for a granite buisiness when coach Dennis Green called him up lolol!!! Due to Moss's dominance, Cunningham made the Pro Bowl that year lolol!!! 😆 😆
People acting like Rice only put up those numbers because he played 20 years. He only played 20 because of what made him great, his work ethic and attitude towards perfection. Moss may have been physically more gifted, but Rice is the GOAT.
How do you make an impact without winning Super Bowls?
Rice played with a 99 overall team and didn’t win his 3rd till deion joined them 😂
6Speed one person can’t carry a team in football especially not a wide receiver maybe a quarterback but it’s to many positions and roles
Exactly howd u expect moss to do it put rice on the vikings/ teams moss played for and hed probably wouldn’t havs the stats he has
So was Brad Johnson more impactful than Larry Fitzgerald or Tony Gonzalez? So few players can win a ring.
@@Jaykurosakii Name a quarterback who carried a team? None. Even they need protection and if they don't have a line they fold and can't do anything.
Is it coincidence that this is recommended on Jerry Rice’s Birthday? Makes you think...
“Imagine if Randy Moss had Tom Brady his entire career”
*So let’s look at the per game production*
5.3 Rec with Brady
81.4 Yards with Brady
1.08 TDs with Brady
Now let’s multiply those numbers by the amount of games Moss played (218) to give us his career stats. It comes out too.
1,155 Receptions
17,746 Receiving Yards
236 Receiving TDs
Impressive. Good enough to be *#2 all time* perhaps?
Now imagine if Jerry Rice had Jeff Kemp his entire career
*REMINDER*
1986 season with Jeff Kemp at QB
6 - 157 - 1
7 - 120 - 0
3 - 76 - 2
6 - 172 - 3
7 - 144 - 2
3 - 58 - 0
The per game stats are
5.33 Rec with Kemp
121.2 Yards with Kemp
1.33 TDs with Kemp
Now let’s multiply those numbers by the amount of games Rice played (303) to give us his career stats. It comes out too.
1,616 Receptions
36,713 Receiving Yards
404 TDs
So remember this Mossexuals.
Jerry Rice not only owns him in the real world, he *owns* him in the *hypothetical* world.
And if you say
“Well dude that’s only 6 games”
Then you’re missing the point.
The point is that the hypothetical game goes both ways and arguments are not and I repeat ARE NOT won by playing “what if”.
Shhh stat geeks using rice argument won’t like this extrapolation.
Seriously though Moss with Brady whole career, Rice won’t even be in conversation
randy was out of his prime in newengland
one word: stickum
“I play when I want to play,” Moss said
You conceded your argument the moment you said that.
Moss was great and more explosive but he admitted he took plays off and was washed in his early 30s. Rice was the complete receiver could do it all and was still putting up 1,000 yard seasons at 40. Rice was 100% dedicated to the game, Moss was not.
1-Jerry
2-Randy
3-TO
You take awards and championships and politics aside Randy's one of the game's best ever at his position
Dumisa Tony Johnson megaton number two
Jonah Guinn
Top five
He was more physically gifted than they were
I loved watching him play
Jonah Guinn
Calvin Johnson is my main guy I go to in John Madden Ultimate Team
I would put Larry Fitzgerald tied with T.O.
Jonah Guinn no way 5 behind Larry
You know your a bad ass whenever you don't even half to really say anything and people back you up on being the best when someone else proclaims it.
Moss says that then they brake out the stat comparison, haha! It’s a insult personally to Jerry Rice because he worked hard everyday off the field. Moss never matched his worth ethic.
Yeah, it takes a lot of effort to slather yourself in glue lol
Im here after hearing Moss say that Jerry Rice is #3, or 4 on his ALL-TIME list.. LOL!!
I love moss but rice it the goat no debate period.
Jerry rice used stickum to cheat his stats. Randy never cheated, no debate.
@@strictlybusiness1679 u can’t scientifically prove that don’t listen to the hype beast of the media. Rice is better but it’s by a slight margin
@@strictlybusiness1679 bro are you trolling or just stupid? don’t you think someone else in Rice’s e- in ANY era would have surpassed the numbers rice put up if it was that easy?
@@lucarce4850 If you put Randy in silver spoon fed Rices' shoes...better stats and maybe more rings. Now put Jerry in min 98, wouldn't have those numbers with 20 qbs and glue on his hands...not gloves... stupid kids these days.
@@strictlybusiness1679 how was that rices fault?? And We don’t KNOW that. rice’s work ethic was known to be different and it has to be if you gonna last 20 years playing high level.
Rice all day! This man is in the conversation for the GOAT NFL player. It ain't even close for WRs.
It´s not just about numbers. Rice played 4 SBs, won 3, scored eight touchdowns in those games and was mvp in one. Rice is in the debate about who is the greatest PLAYER of all time. When the conversation is about greatest receiver, well, there´s no conversation at all. Stickum? Moss played with better gloves than that and stickum don t make you run better routes or beat guys like Deion.
Played for more seasons? Well, play for bigger time e still be a great player is a merit.
Miss didn’t cheat though. Jerry rice admitted to cheating by using stickum.
In my opinion, Jerry Rice is the greatest wide receiver of all time. But, Randy Moss is the best. I think there's a difference between the two terms. Greatest goes more along with your legacy such as success, longevity, work ethic, etc... But, in Moss' best years, his impact on the team and his play slightly surpassed Rice's best years. Remember, Moss impacted the game in more ways than just his own production. Moss almost guaranteed a constant double or even triple team. That opens up the rest of the offense. There's a reason why he was on two of the three greatest scoring offenses in NFL history. But, Rice beats him out on the things that really matter legacy-wise. He's a better winner, hard worker, better leader, etc..
You do realize that Moss was also teamed up with Chris Carter who wasn't to shabby himself for a while... And I hope you also realize that Rice had a higher yds per catch then Moss did if comparing their first 4-5 years in the league... Not to mention YAC records started to be kept BECAUSE of Rice... He gained more yards then anyone could imagine that the league had to start keeping track of it. I could mention many more things but it would take to long. I might say Moss had more potential but so did Kwame Brown when he came out of high school for the NBA...
3649ers moss was a deep threat so ofcorse his yac isnt going to be as great as jerry rice's owns.
if you make a impact on the game and on a team, then wheres his SB ring? thats what jerry rice is talkin about!
Mike suapaia can u blame moss for not having a ring? i dont believe the 49'ers of the 80's could have beat that 2007 giants team in the superbowl. did you see their pass rush? tom brady had no time to throw the ball and before moss went to new england in his 10th year he never had a joe montana type quarter back.
mritizwatitiz Rice averaged over 20 yards a catch in one of his first 5 seasons. Something Moss has NEVER done. Rice even averaged over 18 yds a catch over the course of his first 5 seasons. Which is also a higher average then Moss. If you're saying Moss is such a deep threat and Jerry isn't why is he beating him in those categories? Not to mention it became a lot easier for teams to air it out in the 2000's then in the 80's and early mid 90's. Even over the course of their entire career, Moss only averaged slightly better yds per catch then Rice did. You should do research to see how many TD's Rice had that were deep passes.. I can almost promise you Rice had more TD's of 30 yds or more then Moss did.
*Receiving Yards Per Game*
96.9 Jerry Rice with Elvis Grbac
95.5 Julio Jones
87.1 Randy Moss with Tom Brady
86.1 Calvin Johnson
But yeah he only looks “good” because of 2 HOFs QBs
No comparison Jerry Rice on all levels was the best reciever ever
Didn't Jerry Rice confess to using stick-um?
@@Zieg_Games yeah, them 3 stick-um rings fit real nice on his fingers.
#superfacts
Moss' voices always cracks me up.
T.O. believes the same about himself. Old news. All very talented, but Rice was much more disciplined about staying in shape, practicing hard. He was a mad man about his business, totally focused. Rice was no fluke.
Just ask Deion, he had to cover both of them in separate games, ask him which was harder to cover, he would most likely say Rice
Deion said Moss was the GOAT
@@vikingjedi573 Deion never said that, stop lying. What he DID say what that Rice was the only WR that kept him up at night before the game.
@@xaviervega468 Yes he did th-cam.com/video/vsYohH_fLqo/w-d-xo.html
@@vikingjedi573 LOL that's your evidence??? He was talking about FISHING. Moss has a reputation as an excellent fisherman. Show me ANY TIME Deion Sanders went on TV and declared Moss the GOAT receiver. You can't because it isn't there.
@@xaviervega468 just watch the video. Deion point blank calls Moss the GOAT. Case closed.
Jerry "Stickem" Rice! Put Randy on those Niner teams of the 80s and 90s and Jerry is the backup.
Jedi Master: Agreed lol
Nailed it. Moss is a freak.
Nope rice greatest ever
Moss definitely is a freak but that ain’t reality Rice smoked Moss in all categories
Crack is a helluva drug young Jedi.
Super Bowls mean everything because its says your a WINNER!
Jerry Rice #1 receiver All Time. Stats dont lie and Super Bowl MVP
Rice is the GOAT. But if I need a touchdown with one play left, I'm throwing to randy. If only randy had Joe Montana, Steve young and even an MVP Rich Gannon to throw at him
+Jay Josiah I mean he had brady but only for a few years towards the later years of his career. Still two legends
+Jay Josiah sorry i just realized you were referring to the QB's rice had haha i thought you meant over moss's career he never had a good QB
+bcmoykg And he broke a shitload of single season records with Brady.
gannon was not an mvp before playing with rice. rice made gannon an mvp and rice was 40. how many super bowls pro bowls or mvp's did young have before rice ....0 that's how many
+Demarini71691 No he broke 1 record the single season td catch record and he only beat it by 1 td. jerry had 22 in 12 games had there not been a strike that year moss wouldn't have that record
Randy would have been the best ever or could have been if he did not half ass it or take games off as he said he did...... The best ever never does that, he is no Rice because of work Ethic and attitude etc., he had so much potential and had a great career but could have been much more..........
Probably would've lasted longer with, say, stickum. Pretty impressive "work ethic."
Winning a ring is a team accomplishment though, but I DO say Rice is WAY better than Moss.
Jerry Rice is the GOAT.
Jerry cheated all those years and had elite quarterbacks
@@josepescador5852 lol that’s not cheating
But the patriots got caught cheating the yr. They lost to the g men
@@stevenbrown6720
Serves them right.
If Moss had the character, drive and work ethic of Rice there would not be a discussion, it would be obvious. Rice is the best WR to ever play the game and top 5 player of all time because of his character, drive and work ethic, not because he's taller, faster, jumps higher than anyone else, a true master of his craft. Not to mention off the field Rice is and always was a true role model, Rice affected an entire generation or more in such a positive way unimaginable to Moss. Jerry Rice in his 40s was catching TDs in the super bowl while Moss in his 30s still had the entitlement of a 19 year old. Hard works beats talent if talent doesn't work hard. Moss achieved everything he did because he was blessed with once in a generation talent, Rice achieved everything he did because he EARNED it.
Randy Moss "plays when he wants to play"
Jerry Rice goes back to work and runs practice routes 3 days after winning the Super Bowl
I'll take Jerry
@Artie Krivopal his most productive year, he has Elvis Grbac throwing to him. So I think we know. P.S. Elvis Grbac sucked
Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young for almost his entire career.
Randy Moss had:
Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Daunte Culpepper, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerotte, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, Brett Favre, Alex Smith, Colin Krapernick, Vince Young, Aaron Brooks, Spergon Wynn, Rusty Smith, Marques Tuiasosopo, Brian Hoyer and Jay Fiedler
Moss would have destroyed Rice's numbers if he had Montana and Young for his whole career
Exactly what I said. Those two early rings were because Montana not him. Technically he only won one superbowl.
Moss had Brady in the Super Bowl and came up small like he always did.
@@xaviervega468 Moss came up short in a nearly undefeated season with one of the greatest teams of all time. Or to the NFL was he a early reminder of what Marshawn Lynch was ? And didn't need that example of a masculine, confident, and cocky black player influencing future black players to imitate. And reflecting what such conduct developing could lead to if you absorb such behavior as a black player losing it supposedly all on the biggest stage within the league ?
Jerry Rice performances with Elvis Grbac (9 Starts)
2 - 21 - 1
8 - 108 - 0
8 - 111 - 0
5 - 161 - 1
8 - 149 - 2
7 - 72 - 1
7 - 108 - 1
7 - 84 - 2
6 - 58 - 1
Forget WR , Rice might be the football goat period.
Walter Payton is the GOAT of football he could do every position period, he could run, catch, throw, kick, block.
A 20 year career is crazy..
Loved Rice when he played. But give me Moss, and I'm good.
Rice was too competitive. Give me someone with a better work ethic and I'll tip my hat... you're the greatest Jerry. FLASH #80
Joe Marron Rice did have Young, Montana and Rich Gannon...Moss did what he did wit OK QBs
Totally agree
Had Randy played with Tom Brady for 10+ years we may be agreeing with Moss. To be fair, Jerry did have Montana & Young throwing him the ball for 14 of his 20 years. 3 seasons with Brady got Moss 47 TDs and 3700 yds from age 30 to 32. I really can't fault anyone for going with Moss but 3 Rings for Rice, the longevity and the multiple records get him the title GOAT.
Edit : correction 2008 Brady got hurt so 11 of those 47 TDs and 1008 yds were from Matt Cassel. 2 years with Brady netted Moss 36 TDs and 2700 yds
You have to get open or it doesn't matter who is throwing the ball rice was always open because he was the best route runner ever
@@donaldduvk9226 Well Randy broke Jerry's single season TD record in the 1st season he played with Brady at age 30, which also allowed Tom to nearly double his previous career high in TDs for a season with 50 so that evidence refutes your asinine statement.
Jonathan Deegan You do know Jerry had to complete with All Pro's own his own offense for the ball. He also had QB's named Bono,Garbic,Garcia,Kemp, and others but his touchdowns looked the same. At 40 years old he had over 1,000 yards rec and has 209 touchdowns with over 23,000 total yards. All you have are what ifs and T.O has had more QB's than Moss and their stats are similar. While T.O didn't have a Brady.
@@richmass6556 Trust me, there's nothing about the NFL you know that I don't lol.
T.O. should've been 1st ballot over Moss imo and if you read my original post I said Jerry was the GOAT, but that Randy has an argument and many NFL players have said they'd take prime Moss over prime Rice. And Your point about Rice playing with All-Pros works against your argument because they couldn't double Rice like they did Moss (damn that hurts). You also forgot Rich Gannon for the Raiders who was also an All-Pro. Who else wants to get served?
Jonathan Deegan Oh really what was the Two mandates the NFL had in 2005 if I can't tell you something about the League! To help you out about Rice all his touchdowns take up 46 minutes on TH-cam so check it out. Your welcome
I'd rather have Randy Moss to make those unbelievable catches then Jerry Rice who got less hands than Moss and used stickum. Not to mention Randy Moss was the most explosive receiver.
even chris carter said jerry is the most explosive. you are stupid is hell
+ethan pond Cris Carter also mentioned he would tell Randy in private he was the best he had ever seen. I think people get too caught up in who is the greatest and who had the greatest career. Jerry had the better career but Randy was the better receiver.
+ethan pond Cris Carter also mentioned he would tell Randy in private he was the best he had ever seen. I think people get too caught up in who is the greatest and who had the greatest career. Jerry had the better career but Randy was the better receiver.
Deepscope22 lol, jerry was better
xxx xxx not even close, rice all the way
Jerry Rice played with Joe Montana & Steve Young. With Multiple HOF players on the defensive end. Jerry can’t bring Super Bowls into this without bringing up all the HOF who won Super Bowls for him.
Glick Toater randy had Tom Brady at his best
Hayden Mitchley One Hall of Fame QB. Jerry Rice played with HOFamers everywhere on both sides of the ball.
That doesn’t matter. He can’t change the quarterback just to put some Nathan petterman bum in. You can’t say that. Bruh you just have to go off stats and how they impacted the game, not their teammates. If you want to go off QB’s, Ramey played with Randall Cunningham as well as Tom Brady and gronk. Stop trying
I meant randy
Please. Randy had a LOADED 15-1 Vikings team in 98 and a LOADED 16-0 Pats team in 07 and came up small both times.
moss did it in multiple systems 10 years apart, had a qb carousel in minnesota...... rice had 2 HOF qbs his whole career lmao
When Rice was surrounded by talent...HE WON. When Moss was surrounded by talent...HE DIDN'T
@@xaviervega468 bro what lmao. football is single elimination. rarely does the best team win. this is the ultimate team sport. if you think that a single player, let alone a wide receiver, has ability to solely win championships then youre delusional. too many variables. 98 vikings and 07 patriots lost a combined 1 regular season game by the way. chip shot missed field goal in 98 and david tyree miracle catch in 07.
@@coreystenson2010 Moss's subpar performances in those game is a big reason they didn't win.
Randy moss was high when he said that
Randy Moss led the league in receiving yards 0 years. He led in receptions 0 years. He wasnt that good at much except jumping high in the end zone. Jerry Rice caught 1850 yards with Elvis Grbac throwing to him most of the season. Not even close.
Always knew Montana was overrated. D'OH!
@@coolguy02536 He might have been. Montana was a great QB and rose to the occasion in big games. But he's sandwiched between Jared Goff and Carson Wenz on the all time QB ratings. I think he benifited more from Rice than vice versa.
Well in Moss’ defense he didn’t have Montana or Young but Rice is and will always be-theeeee Best
He had Brady...
Moss is definitely the most talented but complete WR hands up or down Rice‼️
Not even a competition. Jerry Rice retired with over 100 NFL records...100! The dude had 10 RUSHING touchdowns and was ultra durable. He was tough, smart, ran amazing routes, had crazy good hands and ran better after the catch than any other player in NFL history. But the 208 touchdowns and 22,895 yards with essentially 15 yards per catch says it all. Rice is the GOAT.
He just wouldn't have had those numbers without playing with Hall of Fame QBs, for 15 years, not to mention the pass happy west coast offense and the great teams he played for with multiple weapons on offense.
Jerry Rice is the best football player of all time.
Shit, imagine if Moss played with Tom Brady for 7-10 years? It would have been ridiculous
fooloof what does that have to do with anything?
fooloof Edelman could be considered an elite receiver. Some of the shit he does is amazing. Maybe a lower end elite receiver compared to higher end elite receivers
Fool just look at the seasons they played together compared to others
fooloof I think it's highly impressive that Brady thew to Wes Welker for 1,500 yards during a single season (2011).
There's no denying that Brady's level of effiency complimented Moss' dominance.
brmillgr that p@rt what would the numbers say then jerry that dude but man moss is moss dude had his own catch man u got mossed never heard u got riced
moss is the best people say he couldn't make it in the jerry rice 80's era nobody would have touched him to hit him speed quickness he changed the game forever we don't call catching over a defender mossed for nothing
Jerry Rice = 1200+ yards at age 40 and a Pro Bowl with the 2002 Raiders in Moss' era
Imagine what he would do in his prime.
you do realize that defenses hit much harder and pass interference was almost never called in the 80s and 90s
Nikk Carroll Athlets weren't even close to as strong fast and brutal back then as they are now.
that's true but players in recent history r much more protected due to flags and fines
Deion Sanders and Darrell Green played in Rice's era. And they were BOTH faster than any corner that played during Moss's/
Rice is pretty much the Michael Jordan of wife recievers, He has no blemishes on his record, His stats & Perfect Super Bowl record automatically make him the 🐐
Giio TM Rice took an L super bowl 37
Rice took an L in 2002 vs. Tampa Bay when he was playing for the Raiders.
Giio TM Rice took an L to Tampa
Giio TM "wife" recievers? funniest comment all day
Giio TM kareem has better stats than mj
Moss is the most ATHLETIC receiver I have ever seen. HANDS DOWN.
Nah, Calvin Johnson.
@@Hydrant_Hero haha you CRAZY. Calvin ain't even top 3 bro. You must be a younger dude. You must not know who RANDY MOSS is and how he redefined "DEEP COVERAGE"......LITERALLY and STATISTICALLY. NO ONE caught like he did. NO ONE.
@@PureSwank bro your deadass slow, obviously Megatron isn’t top 3 but you called moss the most athletic which he’s not, that goes to megatron, Julio Jones is more athletic than moss
@@Ben-pi6hc Man Ya'll crazy NONE of them could run as fast, jump as high, nor make acrobatic catches like moss did. That is why they got entire SEGMENTS like "You got Moss'd" for a reason. Ya'll don't understand. Let this sink in.....The Deep coverages you see now?.....Randy INVENTED them. LITERALLY. That is why Randy is Top 3 ALL TIME CHILDREN. IN EVERY WR CONVERSATION. HALL OF FAME. I CAN TELL, YOU YOUNGINS NEVER SAW THAT MONSTER PLAY.
@@PureSwank once again everyone knows moss is top 3 but Calvin Johnson is more athletic period no one is saying he’s better than moss
Even though Emmitt Smith has more yards, TD's, and Championships than Barry Sanders I think it is safe to say that Barry was better than Emmitt. Just because Rice has better statistics than Moss doesn't mean he was better, he just played with better QB's, Montana and Young and on better teams.
You don't just judge teams or player based off paper. If that's the case then USC was the best team in the 2005 season. No they weren't because they played Texas and Texas won and what matters is what's done on the field. Stats aren't subjective, they are facts. If stats don't matter, then why do we play the game? The eye test is dumb. If that's the test then we should just say a player is the best without them playing a down because they have the best mechanics/skill.
Agree with Barry being better than Emmitt , but Rice is the GOAT . You can give the ball to a RB quicker than you can give to a receiver . A WR like has to work a little bit to get open . Jerry wasn't the fastest or the tallest , but he could take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 80 yard TD. People put up the argument about Jerry Rice having better QBS , but Randy Moss was on some great Vikings teams his first couple of years . Randy had good QBS with strong arms and people weren't saying this when he was killing the stat sheet with these same QBS .
The difference in those comparisons is that Barry objectively would have broken Smith's record had he continued playing. He kept producing with age. You can compare them head to head and see how/why Barry Sanders was better.
With all these people claiming Moss, it's always about what he could have done. Never what he actually DID. Because what he did simply didn't hold a candle to what Jerry Rice did. So there's an illogical argument to suit the belief instead of facts and figures. Here's a fact: Moss fell off a cliff in 2010 at 33. Basically as soon as his physical prime ended. All the great all time receivers had some life at 33. Rice should've been MVP in 1995 at 33, leading the league with 1848 yards, catching something like 122 passes and scoring 15 TD's. Steve Largent was still productive. Art Monk was still productive. Tim Brown was still productive. Charlie Joiner was still productive. Moss was completely dependent on his physical gifts. Once they eroded, he went from being a threat, to a guy who got let go by TWO separate teams in one season. And you wanna call him the GOAT?!?! PSSSH! Sit. Down.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot Man I couldn't have said it any better myself . Like you said Randy Moss depended on his physical gifts and like you also said once they eroded he wasn't much of a factor . You can't run deep routes and out run DBs for 15 to 20 years because the league is getting younger and faster every year . The greatest in every sport understood that their gifts wouldn't be the same as time went on and they would have to rely on their knowledge of their respected sport and the remaining ability they had left to be productive at the twilight of their careers . Michael Jordan and Jerry Rice understood this . Randy Moss apparently didn't receive the memorandum .
EXACTLY... STEVE YOUNG, JOE MONTANA, & BILL WALSH..?? Yeah Rice did have a more Celebrated Career.. BUT AS AN INDIVIDUAL RANDY MOSS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE TO PLAY THE WR POSITION.. Hands Down
I've watched them all over the years and no wr comes close to Jerry Rice! Heck he is arguably the best NFL PLAYER ever, forget the wr position!
he cheated tho
Rice is voted best player of all time BY the players so what does that tell you? Rice is GOAT Moss is second.
Karo French Even Chris Carter, who mentored a young Randy Moss says Rice is the best!
@@delerocky Mmm no, Carter appropriately called Rice a cheater after Rice randomly threw him under the bus lol
Give moss a HOF qb for at least 8 years, 20 years worth of stickum, and team stability… debate over… #Mossgoat
Don't talk about what if's talk about what IS ...... Jerry is the Goat
What ifs??
Calvin Johnson the biggest, most explosive and dominant receiver I have ever seen. If Antonio Brown gets back out there I think he passes everyone, something special
Huh
AB put up a 4 year span that beat all previous WR's numbers. #2 ranked NFL player in 2018. I would be shocked if someone didn't pick him up.
@@AndrewD624 who's a better wide receiver of today. "O'Dell Beckham" or "Antonio brown"
@@mindhunter8772 Well AB isn't on a team, so technically he's not a receiver. But If he was, then I'd say AB. Beckham has never been ranked higher by NFL players.
@@mindhunter8772 Until he lost his damn mind I would say AB easily. Beckham has all the talent in the world but keeps wasting it.
If, if, if,....blah, blah, blah. Rice is the best. No question. 207 TD's and nobody is even close to that. Nobody.
Rice has a better RESUME. But yall know when that defensive back is on an island, 1 on 1, who's he more terrified of? Moss was SCARY good, imagine how defensive backs felt guarding him or megatron. If I have 1 reciever for 1 game to decide my life, I'm picking randy moss, then calvin, then let the chips fall where they may. Julio somewhere up there..
G-_-Destroya that’s cause you don’t know enough about Jerry, my dude. I get it, those other guys are huge. But Rice’s routes made Moss’s and Johnson’s look pedestrian by comparison. Childlike, even. Moss was great because he would make catches even when he wasn’t open. Jerry didn’t need that skill nearly as much even though he still had it. Guys could not guard him off the line, and this is back in the day where DBs were allowed to absolutely mug the WR. Jerry Rice, 1 on 1 with today’s rules? Absolute nightmare. Better to take your chances having Randy or Calvin climb your back for a catch than to watch 80 catching an easy one from 10 yards away because he clowned you at the line of scrimmage.
@@reydefresno5523 I mean... that's a solid arguement, always felt numbers become more inflated decade after decade.
Jerry’s numbers in the biggest games were undeniable. I’m not sure what you’re talking about
@@TheFlowBrothers I mean, he has a valid point. It's harder to get 1000 yards now than it was in rice's time. So I agree that rices numbers were undeniable. Doesnt change the fact that Calvin and moss were still more dominant at their position. I'd still choose them simply because they had no weaknesses in their game.
G-_-Destroya jerry had better hands, superior route running, an innate ability to create separation, downfield blocking, durability, they started tracking YAC because of Jerry. He turned 10 yard slants into 50 yards and a TD. Not to mention his durability and worth ethic. He was the whole package and more. Moss can outrun and out jump dudes better I would say but he was not more complete. Rice played his best in the biggest games where Randy did not. He got flat out embarrassed by Jason Sehorn in the 2000 NFC championship game. Jerry never disappeared when it mattered most and Moss also took plays off. This isn’t an argument at all
Only thing Randy Moss has on Jerry Rice is speed Rice has everything else & he would never quit on his teams Randy has been quoted saying “I’ll play when I want to play” Jerry would never say that
I mean randy has better hands
Moss did more with less. He made Gus Frerotte and Jeff George look good.
He also played with Randall Cunningham and Tom Brady....
@Nightstalker_55 Moss played with 2 HoF QBs one of which is top 2 of all time
And Culpepper and Cunningham
@Nightstalker_55 Moss had the GOAT QB of all-time in the Super Bowl and still underperformed.
@Nightstalker_55 Yeah but Brady has 6 rings without Moss and none with him.
Randy never played with a Hall of Fame QB HIS whole career like Jerry did
Daniel S 2 words... Tom Brady
that was at the end of Randy's career.......
WHOLE career ..........whole career
well, i guess you're right. tom bady is NOT IN THE HALL OF FAME , lol
Rice didn't play with hall of fame quarterbacks his "entire" career......
If this were a video game, maybe Moss is better, but in real life, no way. You can’t quit on your team like Moss did with the Raiders, and call yourself the best ever. You can’t be in the prime of your career and have two different teams trade you because you’re such a problem off the field or in the locker room, that they feel they’re better off without you, and still call yourself the best. Is Randy more physically gifted? Yes. Did Randy do everything he possibly could to make himself and his team better every time he stepped on the field, in the weight room, or in the film room? Nope! He’s no different than other great talents like Antonio Brown, and OBJ. They can certainly put up big numbers in the box score, but none of them are winners.
Exactly. All these clowns saying Moss is better must be basing their opinion off of playing Madden.
Well said ....kill them with facts beyond stats.....work ethic, team morality, organizational competence, etc ...... big disparity and vast difference between the two....same with TO....gifted and had the work ethic but also a malcontent at some at each stop.....issues with organizations
The people who watched Moss play says Moss is better, the people who watched Rice play says Rice was better, the people who watched them both play actually makes a good argument, so, if you didnt watch them both, then your probably making a stupid argument
I watched them both. If I had one game to determine whether I or not I lose my house. I would take RICE as the #1 WR. I know if I took Moss I would need to pray he feels like he wants to play that day.
Watched them both. The correct is Rice and it isn't even close.,
@@xaviervega468 Exactly, I have never seen anyone who watched them both play who didn't say Rice
All I see in Jerry Rice's highlights are him being DIMED..
To be fair, Rice had Montana and Young throwing to him and Moss played for the Vikings
You act like Randy didn’t have Brady in his prime and also jerry rice had better numbers at age 40 than randy in 2007. Wtf you smoking.
@@jadenkelly5969 Randy was with Brady for 3 years. Rice had Montana and Rice for 14 years.
@@jadenkelly5969 people just want to say moss is better because he is more flashy which is dumb. Moss clearly isn’t the best and anyone with a brain would say Jerry is the best. Majority of people only pick moss over Jerry cause of madden