I misread this video's title as "debuffed cards are STRONGER than you think" and thought I was about to get a lesson on why cards being debuffed is Really Good, Actually
in very rare cases it may help. like if you want to use a glass card to get your hand, but dont want it to break. probably never really happens, but it could also let you score less if you want to do more things during your hand. edit: as another commenter mentioned, debuffed green joker or ramen does NOT lose mult when discarding. again, very niche, but interesting.
It's true that you can fall into the trap of thinking debuffs are worse than they actually are. Realising that you can get to your needed hand using debuffed cards is pretty important if you're going for a hand that's likely to have mixed ranks/suits.
When you play a debuffed face card 1st but then have non debuffed scoring face card after, it will trigger the photograph. Crazy interaction because of my photochad addiction
There's a weird interaction against The Pillar: - If you have DNA and get a copy of a card that isn't debuffed, you'll get a debuffed version of that card as it now assumes you have played it.
I think one very important thing about debuffed Jokers is, that if you want to get a gold sticker on a joker for complietionist++, your perished jokers still get the gold sticker when you beat Ante 8.
This is useful for things like Gros Michel/Cavendish, Popcorn, Ramen and Turtle Bean, as if they are not on their extinction roll once they debuff they cannot disappear at random/when their regular turns would be up
very weird very niche interaction, but in the double or nothing challenge (all cards have red seals but are debuffed after being scored) if your boss blind debuffs ANY cards, playing a debuffed card anywhere in the ante, including the small and big blinds, will trigger the ability of matador, essentially making it a money printer. i believe that’s the only way in the game to debuff cards outside of a boss blind, so it’s really really niche but very interesting
was surprised to see this not mentioned, green joker & ramen both don't incur discard penalties while debuffed. genuinely super useful if you want to burn one hand to roll your absolute best cards!
Oh also This is VERY niche, Putting a negative (through ectoplasm) on an already debuffed joker (can be through perishable or crimson fart), WILL NOT give you the extra joker slot, so you wasted that for nothing But, a negative joker that has perishable and has lived 5 rounds (debuffed), will still keep the extra joker slot until you sell it basically, put negatives on your joker before it gets debuffed
Does this mean that selling that botched negative joker once it's no longer debuffed will decrease your overall limit? With enough luck and effort, you'd be able to grind your joker limit down to zero. Can you imagine? Beautiful
One thing to note is that the matador is pretty powerful during the Double or Nothing challenge because all debuffed cards count as triggering the boss blind ability even during small and big blinds (at least this was true during my run, it may have been patched since).
That, and switching the suit debuff bosses to look for absence of Spades/Clubs/Diamonds rather than the presence of Hearts, for instance. I doubt it is happening this deep into the game but wilds are really crummy and could use the boost.
The blackboard text accurately describes how it works. If it read “3x if all cards held in hand aren’t hearts or diamonds” then it would work with stone cards. Because it reads “3x if all cards held in hand are spades or clubs” and stone cards have no suit, the check fails, and blackboard doesn’t work. An empty hand works by default, because there are no cards that fail the “is spade or club” check.
5:18 I had that happen to me one time, was hilarious when I realized the rest of my jokers were essential for scoring, so the super extra double clearing luchadore was the only good option.
The issue I run into way too dang often is the problem boss happens to be ante 3, just as you start getting *a* build together, but before you can actually do anything but watch your build crash
Can't tell you how many times I've lost runs to the ante 3 boss (and similarly, ante 6, which imo is the other big build test in a normal run), I somehow always manage to get the good jokers immediately after the ante 3 boss
Another interaction thats kinda niche is Cerulean Bell and Death. If you use Death to transform the force-selected card onto another card, Cerluean Bell forces BOTH cards to be selected. I thought i could get around it by having a copy in hand and discarding the selected one but NOPE! I guess its coded by card designation and not "single card" like it says
5:47 this tip would've saved me a few months ago in the run I lost where I had multiple synced-up Ancient Jokers all get their target suit debuffed at once.
1:43 i wonder, is it actually any stone card at all, or just if the stone card is a red suit underneath? Via vampire (or i think some spectral card too) you can remove the "stone" enhancement from cards and see they have an actual card underneath, which could be like a five of hearts, which may disable blackboard. Though of course it'd be hard to test since youd need to know what a stone card is while using blackboard
Blackboard checks each card and revokes the bonus if it finds any card that _isn't_ a Club or Spade. So Stone cards always revoke the bonus. (This is easily checkable by holding onto the Tower.)
Perished rentals joker also would still take your 3 dollars long after it had perished, not just only in the round it perishes, for some reason.Although, I dunno why you would keep it unless for getting the gold sticker
I had a baron run where I got the debuff for the suit most of my cards were in. They were red seal, steel, kings, with two barons, two mimes and a blueprint. I ended up discarding or playing all the debuffed ones I had, but on my last hand there were no cards left in my deck so I didn't bother. Well, they ended up somehow giving mult, when they were left in my hand, saving the run. Still have no clue what happened
Say, how is it that you can get such specific scenarios to show in the video? Like showing the debuffed hand of steel kings with mime and blueprint and such. It is just using very specific seeds?
I'm not the person who made the video but I bet he's using Immolate, an open-source seed-searching tool. It's possible to write your own filters to find seeds with very specific traits. For example, it wouldn't take too long to generate a seed that has Luchador, ends with verdant leaf, and has some combination of jokers that makes winning easier.
i've had a deep run with a really good baron mime build get killed prematurely by the plant sad times, always pick up the boss changing voucher if you plan on running deep
This is an amazing video that you made incredibly easy to understand, thank you! ...I gotta tell you Chicot is pronounced with basically a silent T though lol
Wow, amazing work. As a fellow editor and Balatro content creator, it's very impressive that you captured all these instances. I know how hard it is to get all these assets and you're editing is clear and to the point. Love your videos!
The way i see how "debuffs" works is it disables cards/jokers effects however other stuff can still interact with the card, the card isn't like banned.
1:43 That actually makes complete sense. Blackboard checks each card in hand to see if it's spade or clubs. Stone cards are neither. If you have no cards, then it checks all of those (so it checks nothing); nothing counters by not being a spade or club. That means all of them are clubs (vacuous truth) (also all spades and all hearts).
Stones are "not supposed to" be debuffed by Plant, as they are suitless, however, if a wild card gets turned to a stone card regardless if you are using Parodelia joker, it will get debuffed. Theres some code spaghetti going on with plant.
6:46 this happened to me while I was farming gold seals. I sold my good joker lineup on ante 8 for one that would gold three more jokers and immediately got punished for my greed lol
Oh yea, for flower pot, Im 99% sure this is a bug and will get fixed EVENTUALLY, a debuffed Wild card will LOSE all of its suits, including its base suit, for some reason. So, for example, if you have a 2 pair with all 4 suit but in tht 2 pair you have one Wild spade that is debuffed, it will not trigger flower pot, Its very annoying and kinda defeats the purpose of wild card in flower pot builds
Funny things can also happen when jokers are re-enabled. Just the other day, I had Burglar and Drunkard, and sometime during Crimson Heart, I was given a discard.
By the way, if you have a boss blind that disables or modifies how you play, for example, the boss blind where you must play five cards, playing a single card for DNA or sixth Sense will not work.
Faced the plant in the challenge that either gave you the all face cards joker or just locked my jokers and had chosen that one. That made me rage for a bit
I would say boss blind debuffs are probably the worst designed part of the game, it isn't particularly fun to lose runs to a boss blind that you can't win against and can't reroll as you never got the voucher, a system where you can always reroll for a cost with vouchers making it better to do so would probably be better.
I've only played a few times, but so far, I've never had debuffs actually matter. It just ends up like "oh no, my two of clubs was debuffed, so it wins the blind with 10X the required score instead of 11X". It usually just doesn't matter what cards I play during a blind.
Offtopic I never knew wild card is treated as black card and activate blackboard I just assume it's treated as both red and black thus not activating blackboard
really nice video. something i thought of halfway through: if you sell luchador while it is debuffed by crimson heart, does it not disable the boss blind?
You can actually see that at 0:04 in the intro but I didn't mention it directly. Luchador doesn't work and when you play your next hand another joker gets debuffed,
I have no issue with that 1 joker sold thing other than usually I’m trying for stickers to win. And the one time I only used stencil from beginning to end and no other joker but the one. So that one boss ended what could have unlocked winning a run with 4 or less jokers
What happens if you sell Luchador while it is the one joker that is chosen to be debuffed by the Crimson Heart? Does it still disable the boss blind, or sell like a consumable, without enacting its effect?
Debuffed Wildcard count as no suits for Flower Pot, while debuffed non-wildcard count its original base suit. So to answer your question, no your wild spade will not proc Flower Pot unless you have another non-debuffed Spade scored
Ah hell, i got my buddy balatro for Xmas, and while watching him play he had a Sixth Sense, but the 6 card was debuffed so i told him it wouldn't work now i know better, i guess
It is complete nonsense that money based perishable jokers do not pay out at the end of the 5th round before debuffing, which means they are only good for 4 rounds.
In the settings there's an option for 'high contrast cards' there are also some different skins from a few other games for face cards on the same screen.
As someone who doesn't memorize the names of every joker in the game, it'd be nice if you at least briefly showed the description of every joker you talk about
I just won a gold stake at red deck by refusing to selling my polychrome madness joker that had been in good synergy with my other jokers 😂 i passed at the last hand and won despite verdant leaf debuffing all my cards
I misread this video's title as "debuffed cards are STRONGER than you think" and thought I was about to get a lesson on why cards being debuffed is Really Good, Actually
in very rare cases it may help. like if you want to use a glass card to get your hand, but dont want it to break. probably never really happens, but it could also let you score less if you want to do more things during your hand.
edit: as another commenter mentioned, debuffed green joker or ramen does NOT lose mult when discarding. again, very niche, but interesting.
That debuff =/= defeat made me think the same way
It's true that you can fall into the trap of thinking debuffs are worse than they actually are. Realising that you can get to your needed hand using debuffed cards is pretty important if you're going for a hand that's likely to have mixed ranks/suits.
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Same
When you play a debuffed face card 1st but then have non debuffed scoring face card after, it will trigger the photograph. Crazy interaction because of my photochad addiction
Photochad is so choice
Yeah, it gives x2 on the first scored face card. That's it's entire description.
Photochad slaps !
I only really like photograph with ballot but maybe I’m underrating it
The description is literally “first” scored face card 💀😭
There's a weird interaction against The Pillar:
- If you have DNA and get a copy of a card that isn't debuffed, you'll get a debuffed version of that card as it now assumes you have played it.
I just want to point out that there is a gameplay recording for every single thing that is talked about in this video, that’s insane effort, subbed!
And they didnt even use debug mods to get the situation setup themselves, its honestly impressive
My guess is he set up modded runs.
I think one very important thing about debuffed Jokers is, that if you want to get a gold sticker on a joker for complietionist++, your perished jokers still get the gold sticker when you beat Ante 8.
This is useful for things like Gros Michel/Cavendish, Popcorn, Ramen and Turtle Bean, as if they are not on their extinction roll once they debuff they cannot disappear at random/when their regular turns would be up
very weird very niche interaction, but in the double or nothing challenge (all cards have red seals but are debuffed after being scored) if your boss blind debuffs ANY cards, playing a debuffed card anywhere in the ante, including the small and big blinds, will trigger the ability of matador, essentially making it a money printer. i believe that’s the only way in the game to debuff cards outside of a boss blind, so it’s really really niche but very interesting
Perishable stickers debuff cards outside of boss blinds, I wonder if that effect that you described happens then too.
@@theclassypineappleperishable only debuffs jokers, which can’t be played for matador
@@tiddly5 wait yeah how did I mess that up, idk what I was thinking
@@theclassypineapple hey, at least with perishable it won't break cards like gros michel or cavendish so you can get the gold sticker easier
was surprised to see this not mentioned, green joker & ramen both don't incur discard penalties while debuffed. genuinely super useful if you want to burn one hand to roll your absolute best cards!
Are you sure Green joker doesnt lose the multi? From the wording it sounds like it should
really good to know
Oh also This is VERY niche, Putting a negative (through ectoplasm) on an already debuffed joker (can be through perishable or crimson fart), WILL NOT give you the extra joker slot, so you wasted that for nothing
But, a negative joker that has perishable and has lived 5 rounds (debuffed), will still keep the extra joker slot until you sell it
basically, put negatives on your joker before it gets debuffed
This seems counterintuitive, thanks for letting us know
Crimson fart
@@weryut154 Can confirm, I finally bought Balatro today, Crimson Heart was my very first Ante 8 Boss Blind... _Luchador go brrrr_
Does this mean that selling that botched negative joker once it's no longer debuffed will decrease your overall limit?
With enough luck and effort, you'd be able to grind your joker limit down to zero. Can you imagine? Beautiful
@@helloofthebeach no it doesnt, you wont lose a slot either if you sell it, which is nice
One thing to note is that the matador is pretty powerful during the Double or Nothing challenge because all debuffed cards count as triggering the boss blind ability even during small and big blinds (at least this was true during my run, it may have been patched since).
Dude the part about Mr. Bones had me cracking up 😂
2:59 I appreciate it. Yesterday I lost my run with a deck full of glass red seal queens with blueprint + triboulet to the plant
Unless LocalThunk gives us jokers that synergize with wild cards, ain't no way I'm playing Flower Pot
I only take it on High Card runs with Splash.
I feel like the only person in the world who thinks Flower Pot is okay
@@BroudbrunMusicMerge i mean, yeah it IS okay. You can use Smeared Joker to make it easier to pull, making flushes easier to play
That, and switching the suit debuff bosses to look for absence of Spades/Clubs/Diamonds rather than the presence of Hearts, for instance. I doubt it is happening this deep into the game but wilds are really crummy and could use the boost.
Technically, any joker that gives a suit-based bonus.
I feel like balatro is a very balanced and polished game, but debuffs are one of the most inconsistent things in the game
The blackboard text accurately describes how it works. If it read “3x if all cards held in hand aren’t hearts or diamonds” then it would work with stone cards. Because it reads “3x if all cards held in hand are spades or clubs” and stone cards have no suit, the check fails, and blackboard doesn’t work. An empty hand works by default, because there are no cards that fail the “is spade or club” check.
Your Balatro videos are nicely paced and straight to the point, good stuff. Congrats on 1K :)
5:18 I had that happen to me one time, was hilarious when I realized the rest of my jokers were essential for scoring, so the super extra double clearing luchadore was the only good option.
The issue I run into way too dang often is the problem boss happens to be ante 3, just as you start getting *a* build together, but before you can actually do anything but watch your build crash
Can't tell you how many times I've lost runs to the ante 3 boss (and similarly, ante 6, which imo is the other big build test in a normal run), I somehow always manage to get the good jokers immediately after the ante 3 boss
where the buffed joker at?? 🤤🤤
These Weird Balatro Mechanics videos are amazing, thank you so much!
Theres something very funny about a perishable egg gaining value right before expiring
Another interaction thats kinda niche is Cerulean Bell and Death.
If you use Death to transform the force-selected card onto another card, Cerluean Bell forces BOTH cards to be selected.
I thought i could get around it by having a copy in hand and discarding the selected one but NOPE! I guess its coded by card designation and not "single card" like it says
But if you transform a card INTO the force-selected card, it allows you to de-select one of them. I noticed this when playing yesterday
@@liam_iam| That sounds like a patched interaction.
5:47 this tip would've saved me a few months ago in the run I lost where I had multiple synced-up Ancient Jokers all get their target suit debuffed at once.
1:43 i wonder, is it actually any stone card at all, or just if the stone card is a red suit underneath? Via vampire (or i think some spectral card too) you can remove the "stone" enhancement from cards and see they have an actual card underneath, which could be like a five of hearts, which may disable blackboard. Though of course it'd be hard to test since youd need to know what a stone card is while using blackboard
Blackboard checks each card and revokes the bonus if it finds any card that _isn't_ a Club or Spade. So Stone cards always revoke the bonus. (This is easily checkable by holding onto the Tower.)
Perished rentals joker also would still take your 3 dollars long after it had perished, not just only in the round it perishes, for some reason.Although, I dunno why you would keep it unless for getting the gold sticker
The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble
I had a baron run where I got the debuff for the suit most of my cards were in. They were red seal, steel, kings, with two barons, two mimes and a blueprint. I ended up discarding or playing all the debuffed ones I had, but on my last hand there were no cards left in my deck so I didn't bother. Well, they ended up somehow giving mult, when they were left in my hand, saving the run. Still have no clue what happened
Say, how is it that you can get such specific scenarios to show in the video? Like showing the debuffed hand of steel kings with mime and blueprint and such. It is just using very specific seeds?
I'm not the person who made the video but I bet he's using Immolate, an open-source seed-searching tool. It's possible to write your own filters to find seeds with very specific traits. For example, it wouldn't take too long to generate a seed that has Luchador, ends with verdant leaf, and has some combination of jokers that makes winning easier.
@@skyebirb I see now
i've had a deep run with a really good baron mime build get killed prematurely by the plant
sad times, always pick up the boss changing voucher if you plan on running deep
the campfire trick is really cool I'd have expected the ordering to work differently
That animated thinking emoji is very relatable tbh
This is an amazing video that you made incredibly easy to understand, thank you!
...I gotta tell you Chicot is pronounced with basically a silent T though lol
Idk if it's too much balatro, but if you pause the video at 1:35 and focus on a single card, it feels like the others are moving.
Wow, amazing work. As a fellow editor and Balatro content creator, it's very impressive that you captured all these instances. I know how hard it is to get all these assets and you're editing is clear and to the point. Love your videos!
The way i see how "debuffs" works is it disables cards/jokers effects however other stuff can still interact with the card, the card isn't like banned.
1:43
That actually makes complete sense. Blackboard checks each card in hand to see if it's spade or clubs.
Stone cards are neither.
If you have no cards, then it checks all of those (so it checks nothing); nothing counters by not being a spade or club.
That means all of them are clubs (vacuous truth) (also all spades and all hearts).
Stones are "not supposed to" be debuffed by Plant, as they are suitless, however, if a wild card gets turned to a stone card regardless if you are using Parodelia joker, it will get debuffed. Theres some code spaghetti going on with plant.
Fun fact- The subreddit specifically mentions Plant as one of the banned topics there
6:46 this happened to me while I was farming gold seals. I sold my good joker lineup on ante 8 for one that would gold three more jokers and immediately got punished for my greed lol
Also I think debuffed perished jokers still coost 3$ when they're rental, even though they mostly don't work
Oh yea, for flower pot, Im 99% sure this is a bug and will get fixed EVENTUALLY, a debuffed Wild card will LOSE all of its suits, including its base suit, for some reason.
So, for example, if you have a 2 pair with all 4 suit but in tht 2 pair you have one Wild spade that is debuffed, it will not trigger flower pot, Its very annoying and kinda defeats the purpose of wild card in flower pot builds
four fingers messes it up further
finding out debuffed rental jokers still take my money had me mad for a minute
Funny things can also happen when jokers are re-enabled. Just the other day, I had Burglar and Drunkard, and sometime during Crimson Heart, I was given a discard.
By the way, if you have a boss blind that disables or modifies how you play, for example, the boss blind where you must play five cards, playing a single card for DNA or sixth Sense will not work.
oh i just did a run where my Obelisk was debuffed and I shouldve played a flush but i was scared to. wish i saw this three hours earlier lol
Paradolia murdered me in one run with the plant blind. My entire deck was based on face cards, I had to sell paradolia because of it.
Faced the plant in the challenge that either gave you the all face cards joker or just locked my jokers and had chosen that one. That made me rage for a bit
I would say boss blind debuffs are probably the worst designed part of the game, it isn't particularly fun to lose runs to a boss blind that you can't win against and can't reroll as you never got the voucher, a system where you can always reroll for a cost with vouchers making it better to do so would probably be better.
Great video! Thanks for putting this out man.
Chicot, Luchador : 🗿
I've only played a few times, but so far, I've never had debuffs actually matter. It just ends up like "oh no, my two of clubs was debuffed, so it wins the blind with 10X the required score instead of 11X". It usually just doesn't matter what cards I play during a blind.
Dumb question: If you win with a debuffed joker will you still get the sticker for it?
its a good question and the answer is yes
I think I’ll just always get directors cut when I see it lol
I’ve never shuttered during the first second of a video before
What happens if you blueprint a debuffed joker? Does it still work, or does it become incompatible, or does it act debugged itself?
man i had a run going and ran into the Pillar as the 8th Ante boss... absolutely distoryed that run.
Offtopic I never knew wild card is treated as black card and activate blackboard I just assume it's treated as both red and black thus not activating blackboard
Flower Pot is F+ until you get Splash.
Just like Mad Joker's trash until you have cards that can't get eaten.
Double or Nothing got me fucked up actually
If you reroll a boss blind, does it have a chance of showing up again or does it take it out of that run?
really nice video. something i thought of halfway through: if you sell luchador while it is debuffed by crimson heart, does it not disable the boss blind?
You can actually see that at 0:04 in the intro but I didn't mention it directly. Luchador doesn't work and when you play your next hand another joker gets debuffed,
I have no issue with that 1 joker sold thing other than usually I’m trying for stickers to win. And the one time I only used stencil from beginning to end and no other joker but the one. So that one boss ended what could have unlocked winning a run with 4 or less jokers
So.. It works just like I thought it would
What happens if you sell Luchador while it is the one joker that is chosen to be debuffed by the Crimson Heart? Does it still disable the boss blind, or sell like a consumable, without enacting its effect?
Can you check, does Flowerpot activate with a debuffed wildcard as one of the 4 suits?
Debuffed Wildcard count as no suits for Flower Pot, while debuffed non-wildcard count its original base suit.
So to answer your question, no your wild spade will not proc Flower Pot unless you have another non-debuffed Spade scored
unlike flower pot, seeing double need scored club and other suit so The club is more dangerous than other suit debuff bosses
Am I the only one who actually thinks all of these ″weird interactions″ are very much intuitive and expected...?
idk the sixth sense one is pretty dang bizzare lol
I hate it when my cavendish goes extinct
This is good info, thanks!
2:17
DNA copies will not be deabuffed agains the pillar
Ah hell, i got my buddy balatro for Xmas, and while watching him play he had a Sixth Sense, but the 6 card was debuffed so i told him it wouldn't work
now i know better, i guess
chick ot????????
Really cool and helpful video
It is complete nonsense that money based perishable jokers do not pay out at the end of the 5th round before debuffing, which means they are only good for 4 rounds.
I keep seeing player with their cards having a nice blue kind of gradient color instead of black, like in this video. What is it? Mod? Unlockable?
In the settings there's an option for 'high contrast cards' there are also some different skins from a few other games for face cards on the same screen.
@Oaisus Thank you!
As someone who doesn't memorize the names of every joker in the game, it'd be nice if you at least briefly showed the description of every joker you talk about
if I had a penny for everytime I lost to plant I could probably buy balatro again
kinda funny someone watching me with 4x more hours than me (im new) didnt realise you can just use your debuffed cards haha
sixth sense works???
Rlly good vid!!
Finally good TH-cam content. Thank you :)
insane video gj
Banger vid
Just play The Rock’s build and you ignore every boss blind and win every single game with one card hands
I just won a gold stake at red deck by refusing to selling my polychrome madness joker that had been in good synergy with my other jokers 😂 i passed at the last hand and won despite verdant leaf debuffing all my cards
Blackboard counting Wild as just black is really weird and doesn’t make any sense imo.
Very good video
Great job
I thought it just deactivated the card lol
Bál-ah-troe~
Your gain is too high I hear the white noise.
What A mess
chicot is pronounced chee-koh
pronounce it how you like, ofc. im just a nerd
Purrished
“Debuffs are stranger than you think”
>explains debuffs
>they work exactly how you’d think