5:48- Evil Queen: go and kill Snow White! Huntsman: what about your sorcerer brother that’s able to turn into a wyvern? It seems like that makes more sense. Evil Queen: He’s just there as an unofficial sequel villain backup, don’t question my logic.
If you think that's bad, look up "A Snow White Christmas". It was Filmation's FIRST attempt at making an unofficial sequel to the Disney movie, and in that they made the queen even more powerful than her unofficial sequel brother.
This movie could have been good if it cut out the annoying side characters, made the villain smarter, expanded the shadow man concept, gave the characters more personality, and in general, wasn't a ripoff.
C Taylor Not only are they annoying, but they are absolutely pointless. All you need in the story is Snow White, Prince Adam, the missing link between Maleficent and Captain Hook, and Dom Deluise.
I'd like to add two cardinal musical sins, if I may... 1) Not enough songs. Are you a musical or not? 2) No songs for the main characters. Is it really more important that we know how Scowl, Thunderella, and MOTHER NATURE feel, than it is to know how Snow White or Lord Maliss feel? I do kind of have soft spot for "Thunderella's Song" though. I enjoy 80s cheese (even if it's technically from the 90s) and I'm a big fan of Tracey Ullman. To me, Batso is the most annoying character. I don't think he's really good-natured, just a passive-aggressive contrarian.
Yeah, agree on not enough songs and not enough of the main characters singing or even being focused on. Side characters sing the only villain song? And it's terrible. I clicked on this thinking, "WAS it a musical though? Were there songs in it?" And yes, apparently now that I think about it, there were... And they sucked. And the original Snow White had the prince and princess falling for each other in love at first song. So why not have them sing a duet? There's a lot of wasted potential in this.
Wow. I used to watch this movie all the time as a kid! I'm so glad someone remembers it! I thought it was a shared hallucination between me and my brother
@@alleycat231 Yeah, honesly I feel like she's a bit hard on it. Like yeah, Thuderilla and Mother Nature aren't *good* characters, but Thunderilla is honestly one of the most relatable characters and Mother Nature is so nuts she's hilarious (especially when considering how nuts nature can actually be lol). The villain was suitably scary by the end. As crappy mockbuster sequels go, this is honestly not terrible.
I watched this movie as kid! Damn, I thought I had dreamed it. I only remember the part about the strange creature being the prince though. I thought it was a very cool idea, but in retrospect, I see it could have been done a lot better.
Storywise: I would have had the Shadowman either help Snow Whire more and much earliar (maybe show him guiding her to the Dwarves’ house) our show him as a unwilling servant trying to fight back and keep her safe Also, maybe a curse where they can’t be together, or he can’t tell her who he truly is, SOMETHING
My big change to the movie would be that Snow White has Thunderella’s arc of doubting herself and thinking that she can’t save the Prince because she is just a princess and has no training to do knight stuff and saving people. The Dwarfelles help Snow White along the way and give her encouragement to overcome the challenges Lord Malice throws at her. Eventually she manages to fight off Malice’s forces and faces him herself and he tries to play mind games with her and tells her that she is weak and helpless and Snow White declares that she isn’t weak or helpless and gains the courage to overpower malice and save the Prince and the day. The idea of the princess being the one to save the Prince is such a good idea for a movie and could work really well if the movie is written well enough.
My evil realm would be called Pichu Valley and really be full of Ghost Pokémon that are known to drain energy from their victims and Mimikyu that are wearing outfits that cause curious victims to look underneath the cloth and die.
There is. We see a bit of it and Diva's heavenly counterpart, Donna, in Diva's review of Portal 2: The Unauthorized Musical. Episode #60, if I recall correctly.
She cared for the Shadowman as dearly as the prince, despite having just met him. I know he saved her life and all but it sort of makes it apparent just how unnaturally quick romances go forward in fairy tale movies. She was kissed awake in the original story by someone she never knew and so she decided she'd marry him. Shadowman could have easily replaced the prince if he weren't the prince himself and they never found him. I really wouldn't be comfortable with that if I was the prince.
Fun fact: that scene from the Hobbit used in this video was actually done in one take since the actor legitimately caught the egg in his mouth, making the reaction of the other actor truly genuine.
He ]does universally great jobs. He has a son in Disney's Wizards of Waverly Place, a Disneycom that while it can have its bad episodes from time to time, it is, at heart, one of the many that has been done right!
Dom Deluise and Carol Channing both deserve better than a lot of the films they've been in - certainly better than the animated musicals they were both in
16:36 You know, I kind of want a villain like that at some point. Their original plan goes out the window due to circumstance, so they have to improvise from that moment on.
The voice acting is really good, so at least there's something enjoyable about it. Got Irene Cara (God rest her soul) playing as Snow White, it's always nice hearing Dom DeLuise doing his thing, and Malcolm McDowell being delightfully villainous. And even as pointless as they are, Scowl and Batso are played by legends too, being Ed Asner and Frank Welker respectively.
To quote NC, "Dom, Dom, what are you doing in so many bad movies?" Also, 5:56 "If I have to sweat in the sewers or the Plague Hospital, I'll live and I'll have them!"
Thunderella's song sounds suspiciously similar to an '80s hit song... more precisely, it sounds eerily like 'Girls Just Want To Have Fun' by Cyndi Lauper...
The one itty-bitty saving grace I'd award this is that at least the quality of the animation is better than most of what Filmation did for TV. (Not that many of their shows weren't rather well-written, but you could really spot the limited animation after watching them for a few minutes.) The funny thing is...this isn't the first sequel Filmation did for Snow White. They did a TV special around the late seventies or early eighties called A Snow White Christmas that had to do with Snow's daughter (also named Snow White). I remember seeing it on TV as a kid.
Jennifer Schillig True, but that's not a very high bar to set... There is some small amusement to be had with playing "Hey, it's that guy!" on the second-tier celebrity cast, though.
This is legit bugging me. I remember a follow up to Snow White, called "Happily Ever After". I remember it was a good movie and I was very impressed in my young child brain with how forward Snow White was (She did have long hair, but looked more Snow White-ish? But was not a traditional princess). I do remember the chase scene, but it was very different to this movie. I do not remember any of this music or this movie at all. I'm starting to think young me remembers a completely different movie. Edit: Actually I do remember the Shadowman. I remember he was my favorite, too (very interesting character). I still don't remember the girl version of the dwarves.
Blush Muffin It's a really odd feeling indeed! I've experienced something similar with The Thief and the Cobbler. Before I found out its name, I could only remember four particular scenes from the movie, as well as watching it in a foreign language, but after actually finding it and reading about its history, I discovered that I had very inaccurate memories of said scenes: different dialogue and character design, things that never happened, etc. Moreover, I can't for the life of me even say where I watched it (none of my relatives had it). It's both funny and interesting how distorted certain childhood memories can become.
I am so incredibly glad you reviewed this! I have vague and brief flashes of this movie imbedded in my memory, and until recently I had forgotten what it was. I was shocked no one had reviewed it, but then I found this channel! The gratification for seeing it get torn up is just surreal and oh-so-satisfying.
This review is funny...but I loved this movie as a kid for some reason XD I think I liked the juxtaposition of the wackier Nelvana style with the traditional Disney 'musical fairy tale' bit. And I really liked the mysterious shadow guy: really felt for him.
I don't care this movie has always been my Guilty Pleasure! and I love Mother Nature, and hey at least they gave the Prince SOMETHING else to do other than kiss the girl to wake her up.
I like how it’s the Princess that must save the Prince for once. That is extremely rare to see in any media outside of video games. That type of plot device has so much potential to deviate from the norm but still make some sense. The only times I can think that the princess saves the prince are The Little Mermaid when Ariel saves Eric from drowning, Pocohantas stops John Smith’s execution, Cinderella III A Twist In Time, and Belle when she goes to stop the angry mob from storming the castle.
Still better than what Universal has been shoving down our throat, but still not as engrossing as "Ever After High" with the daughters of Snow White and the Evil Queen at odds.
Ever After High is my fucking jam. It's surprisingly really, really good, and tackles unusually adult issues like living up to society's expectations and even death with a mature yet child-friendly tone. You'd think that it would be as popular as Steven Universe or MLP, but almost no one talks about it.
I gotta say, while literally everything else about this movie makes me glad I never actually saw it, the visual style is pure 70s/80s Narm and I am ALL ABOUT THAT. I could definitely go for some reaction GIFs of this movie.
Thankfully there is not a third evil sibling. There is, however, another sequel to this franchise also released by Filmation, several years before this one came about. It's called Snow White's Christmas, stars Snow White's daughter (also named Snow White), her cute/annoying sidekick Grunyun, and the seven giants who are also somehow cousins of the dwarfs and subsequently the dwarfelles. Their family has a wacky dynamic. And of course, no $2 kids film would be complete without really awful songs! :D Give that one a watch if you haven't already
Funny enough, there was a "sequel" special by the same studio, and it also copies a lot from disney, such as queen's look, Snowwhite's helpers and mirror. But there are also some differences, such as Snowwhite being a daughter of original princess, and being acompannied not by seven dwarfs but their cousins - seven giants (don't ask how that works)
I used to love this movie when I was a kid. We’d always have to rent this one for me, along with Nightmare before Christmas and Dracula, dead and loving it. I’m so glad you did this one. Also, a few times you say “Malice” I hear “Phallus”, which isn’t far off character wise, but I had to back up and check. Lord Phallus lol
I gotta say. If I was magically transfigured beyond recognition and chose to support my sweetheart from the shadows, and then when I was mortally wounded heard him say he loved my perceived separate self as much as he did me... I'd be pissed. Like, wtf...?
Yeah, I was mortified when something like that happened to me. I looked at my bf like my whole world shattered and everything I thought I knew about his feelings for me was a lie. But to be fair, here the prince and Snow White are both equally shallow and will fall in love with someone on a whim. Plus clearly SW never cared that much for the prince to begin with. Her hair was a priority.
If I recall, this movie was part of a project by Filmation to make sequels to fairy tales before Disney shut them down. Another made it through though. Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night.
Aw, man, Tracey Ullman was the voice of Thunderella! Why, Tracey, why?! Come to think of it, a lot of talent in this movie is wasted: Malcolm McDowell, Jonathan Harris, Irene Cara (not much of an actress, but she deserved a longer music career), Sally Kellerman, what a pity. "Nuttier than a squirrel's pantry"... hope you don't mind if I steal that for everyday use. :)
I think that the voice actors and actresses did a pretty decent job in this movie and that most of the songs were decent in movie soundtrack songs go and that the plot was slightly better and much stronger than Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night. This movie didn’t jump to random and unnecessary scenes and did a good job focusing most of the movie on Snow White and what she had to do to save the Prince. It’s also interesting to see a Princess need to save the Prince for once and turns the cliché trope upside down. Only thing is the story could have been a bit better and had Snow White have Thunderella’s arc where doubts herself when it comes to saving the Prince but the Dwarfelles encourage her to overcome challenges along the way and she learns that real courage and strength comes from within yourself and will always come shining through when challenges get in the way.
This isn't the first time Filmation tried to cash in on Snow White. Earlier they made A Snow White Christmas. Here the seven dwarves are replaced by the seven friendly giants.
Seriously. One can make earthquakes, one can direct sunlight, one can shoot lightning, one can grow plants..the only two that seem useless are the water one and the sleepwalker one.
Actually the power to control water can be terrifying if you think about it. You could easily take out all the water in a lake and shape it into a gigantic orb and have it float in the air and then shove some people into it and make them drown or release said water on an unsuspecting town and flood the entire place causing massive death and destruction in less than a minute. Think of that type of power as being Hurricane Katrina on steroids.
I remember being so butt-hurt my baby sister got to see this when it came to theaters. I couldn't go because I didn't handle the original witch very well and no one wanted a repeat of that break down.
0:47 I think Filmation actually termed Happily Ever After, along with Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night, and Journey Back to Oz as "continuations of the classic films".
Imagine Maliss and his sister had a lesser-known brother named Overlord Skullotaxis (who looked like a bootleg Skeletor) with the power to turn into terrifying skeletal beasts (including dragons). It then turns out they never talk about him much because he was more annoying than evil. Why? His "evil plan" was to put skulls on anything and everything using his Artifacts of Skullo-Magic. It was too "Warhammer" for their tastes. He also had a habit of making one too many bone puns.
8:13- Snow White after the events of the movie: Why didn’t you ever tell me of your obviously stronger cousins? Grumpy: We’re very distantly related to them, especially Critterina...which I’m sure involved a very taboo relationship.
I just want to know how they got all of these iconic voice actors to be in this. Was the pay that good? Was this a Scientology Wolf Tracers Believe in Santa situation?
Another thing. There's a subtle, or maybe not so subtle reference to Tolkiens books and I liked it aging up. There's the quest for the evil realm... inside the mountain... with the dwarfes... and the spooky creature following them... looks familiar!
Considering that Maliss bears a striking similarity to Skeletor as Keldor from the 2002 cartoon, I'm inclined to say yes. Although it seems this Keldor is more or less the incompetent Classic Skeletor as opposed to the badass Skeletor from the 2002 cartoon.
10:22 - Okay, this shot here, with the swan. The fuck is with it? The framing of the scene gives it a weird amount of weight. And the way it passes behind the tree suggests that we are supposed to anticipate something will happen off-screen. When the scene started, I half expected the swan to reveal herself as Mother Nature in disguise, but no, it's just a swan. It's like this movie was made by someone who had no grasp of visual language. Oh, wait . . .
A few months ago, my brother and I were talking about movies that scared us as kids. I brought up this movie because I specifically remember seeing the cover of the video, thinking it would be a magical musical adventure but was scared shitless every time Maliss came on screen! I couldn't get through the third of act of the movie, it was too intense for me!
15:06 If you think he's bad, watch "A Snow White Christmas" and tell us which villain you think is dumber. 17:34 No, they'll just find a way to bring the evil queen back to life...because that's the next overused sequel trope.
12:26- Muddy: There's a man in the shadows that's looking eerily and suspiciously down at eyes from above, but lacks the overtly evil qualities of Lord Maliss and his minions. Thunderella: Maybe, he's a good person or a neutral individual that's looking just to make sure we don't harm him as he lives in peace in this cave without bothering- Muddy: Get that shadow man! He's definitely evil because he wears dark clothing and doesn't look traditionally cute or good! He must be Maliss' minion or an equally evil person. Let's try to kill this stranger without even knowing what he's like as an individual!
13:11- Even worse as he did it twice outside of his realm, but apparently sending rhino/dinosaur wolves after her or turning her to stone with his cape that could backfire on him over turning into a wyvern to just kill her; or alternatively kill her under the guise of her beloved prince would be too dark for a kid's story apparently.
Tornado1994 Welker is probably the most prolific voice artist living (IMDb lists over 700 credits to his name); it's inevitable there would be a few stinkers in the mix.
Musical Hell Thunderella is voiced by Tracey Ulman. Even SHE'S better than this. Hell, her Little Lulu voice had more depth and likability than bland,cowardly ass Thunderella. Alot of good talent failed in this. Malcom McDowell,Irene Cara,Ed Asner. This film, like Felix The Cat The Movie(which was made around the same time), should have BEEN relegated to DTV.
to be somewhat fair to the "I cared for him as deeply as the prince" line...at least she had interaction with the Shadow Man before randomly deciding she cared for him. In the Disney version, he interrupted her duet (with herself), sang at her for about a minute, and we didn't see him again until he was kissing her corpse.
I'm about half way through this review and the prince shows up. I do hope there's going to be a He-Man reference at some point. *less than 2 minutes later. Perfect. *several more minutes later I see they also ripped off Orko from He-Man as well.
man, I watched this movie as a kid, probably more than once, but I can't remember any rapping owl. I guess I managed to repress the worst aspect of it (honestly I found it fun as a kid, though, but it was basically a magical adventure with a princess, so it didn't need to try that hard =P)
11:37- the existence of Mother Nature in this Snow White unofficial sequel adds more questions than answers. If she’s a short walk away from the dwarfs, why didn’t she go outside to stop the Queen from poisoning Snow White. Is she a recluse, indifferent to anything that happens at the dwarfs’ house or does her powers somehow have no range outside her realm to stop an apparently powerless lady disguised as a peddler woman, one without anything that isn’t potion based? Or was the random lightning strike that killed the Evil Queen caused by Mother Nature to inflict karma or Thunderella by accident. Maybe the dwarfs should’ve trusted Snow White to their cousins and boss that control Nature itself instead of a little warning and no other protection alternatives.
I loved this movie when I was a kid and I remember renting it every time we got to go to blockbuster. Damn my parents really must have loved me to put up with listening to it as much as they did!
I can honestly remember always watching this movie right after Disney's snow white and never realizing they weren't made by the same company or anything. I sort of never clued in till years later. However, despite the fact that this movie is in no way good, i still remember having a soft spot for it growing up and it does bring back a lot of fond memories when I think about it. I enjoy it corniness and I like the idea of some aspects to the movie. It's sort of a guilty pleasure that is saved by the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia
9:36 I gotta agree with you, her singing is bad, but something about the way she pronounces the t in “too” when she says “well I can do that TOO” is ESPECIALLY annoying and I can’t figure out why. Honestly it sounds like the actor CAN sing but is holding herself back by singing in over the top cutesy kid voice. And also, I'm not sure why but the fact that Batso is a bat with a mouse head bothers me more than it should.
Omg, I never saw this movie, but it always grabbed my attention when I went to the video store for rentals as a kid. I hope you review The Swan Princess too!
when it comes to movies like this, liking it (or not), depends heavily on when you first watch it. I was somwhere between 4 and 6 when my parents bought the VHS for me. We often couldn't afford premium cable at the time which meant no Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, or Disney channel (until Comcast changed their line up a few years later) and our collection of tapes were small because they were $20 or more each (which was a lot for 2 minimum wages parents trying to save up for an apartment that wasn't above a nasty old woman that would turn the heat off every time "the kids are being too loud".) Point being that when I was younger I thought this version was more exciting than Disney's version and it was my number 3 choice to watch for many years. (Lion King took first place when it came out, Land Before Time would tie with the 2D version of Charlotte's Web for second, All Dogs go to Heaven tied for 3rd with Happily Ever After.)
Thanks for the warning about the Ed Asner rap. And don't tease about the Fluffy Bunny Land of evil - several transdimensional demons are terrified of bunnies!
2:08- which would make the Evil Queen retroactively more idiotic as she decides to undergo the poison Apple scheme, to either be a scapegoat for some vengeful dwarfs to go after or at least cannon fodder to be sacrificed in order to stay alive. Then again, given how incompetent they are, they were likely kept away as they’d be as much of a mortality rate increasing liability than actual help.
"Party Time, Party Time!" Is it bad that I thought that song was actually part of the movies soundtrack? XD Haven't seen this movie since I was a kid. Why is Maliss a dragon if he can't shoot fire? Like, thats one of the MAIN THINGS dragons can do! Imagine if GOT only had dragons picking up people and doing...absolutely nothing to them, XD
15:56 to 16:00 I thought of that myself, but in that case, they might as well have just unfroze Maliss and make the climax scene longer than it needed to be.
This is a guilty pleasure for me. One thing that hurts this movie is that what was released was an edited version of it. I think in the original cut Maliss was a little darker, the loads had a better attack on Maliss and a couple other scenes were cut to make it more ‘kid friendly’ and ‘marketable’. Sadly I doubt an uncut version could be released because the cut footage hasn’t been found after all this time.
Love how Lord Malice is so one-dimensionally evil that he can't even bear to _pretend_ to act sweet as the prince for so much as a second.
That’s the kind of one-dimensional evil I love: the kind that just loathe all that is good and kind and love all that is evil and cruel!
5:48- Evil Queen: go and kill Snow White!
Huntsman: what about your sorcerer brother that’s able to turn into a wyvern? It seems like that makes more sense.
Evil Queen: He’s just there as an unofficial sequel villain backup, don’t question my logic.
If you think that's bad, look up "A Snow White Christmas". It was Filmation's FIRST attempt at making an unofficial sequel to the Disney movie, and in that they made the queen even more powerful than her unofficial sequel brother.
well this movie was a thing
She's right 1:30
@@cartooncritique6625 doesn't the movie feature young snow white with white hair and where snow white is queen and her prince king charming.
@@viviennemorgan7217 Yep. That's the one, and seven dwarves are replaced by seven friendly giants.
She seriously has Ariel's face but with black (Thumbelina styled) hair and a realistic body
I know this was a year about, but I'd say her face is more of the princess from The Black Cauldron
Uh.. She was designed before Ariel and Thumbelina. Production started in 87
On a side note, Ariel and Thumbelina were both voiced by the same person.
I've seen that before
@Queenofawesome25 well Eilonwy and Ariel were designed by the same person so I guess it makes sense to see the resemblance
This movie could have been good if it cut out the annoying side characters, made the villain smarter, expanded the shadow man concept, gave the characters more personality, and in general, wasn't a ripoff.
C Taylor Not only are they annoying, but they are absolutely pointless. All you need in the story is Snow White, Prince Adam, the missing link between Maleficent and Captain Hook, and Dom Deluise.
So what your saying is, if this film was a completely different film, it would be good?
It's not a rip off.
So, basically, if it was a completely different movie?
I do like the idea of Mother Nature being really nuts. It kinda fits for a woman who have essentially seen everything.
Nature is truly insane when you consider that the platypus exists and is venomous and that there is a tiny songbird that is a savage predator.
"Gay pride falls." Damnit, you found my vacation home!
Yeah, "gay pride falls" made me laugh out loud the first time I heard it :)
I'm so happy to go back to a pride festival!!!!
And yes, it has non-heterosexuals celebrating their rights as well.
Omg I busted out laughing at that!
That was going to be my evil lair!
Is it like Gravity Falls but different?
"Shadowman? *Scoffs* Bitch, there's only one Shadowman."
"Don't you disrespect me, little man!"
Best part alongside the Hai hur take.
I'd like to add two cardinal musical sins, if I may...
1) Not enough songs. Are you a musical or not?
2) No songs for the main characters. Is it really more important that we know how Scowl, Thunderella, and MOTHER NATURE feel, than it is to know how Snow White or Lord Maliss feel?
I do kind of have soft spot for "Thunderella's Song" though. I enjoy 80s cheese (even if it's technically from the 90s) and I'm a big fan of Tracey Ullman.
To me, Batso is the most annoying character. I don't think he's really good-natured, just a passive-aggressive contrarian.
animagusurreal Good points. It joins "Titanic: The Legend Goes On" in that respect--there are a few numbers, but not much that's really plot-relevant.
yeah i was thinking that but the whole character mother nature is just not needed and i'd rather not go through that song
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Yeah, agree on not enough songs and not enough of the main characters singing or even being focused on. Side characters sing the only villain song? And it's terrible. I clicked on this thinking, "WAS it a musical though? Were there songs in it?" And yes, apparently now that I think about it, there were... And they sucked. And the original Snow White had the prince and princess falling for each other in love at first song. So why not have them sing a duet? There's a lot of wasted potential in this.
@@MusicalHell love is the reason doesn't count
Wow. I used to watch this movie all the time as a kid! I'm so glad someone remembers it! I thought it was a shared hallucination between me and my brother
Lily Welsh I laughed too hard at this 🤣🤣
SAME I used to love this movie
@@alleycat231 Yeah, honesly I feel like she's a bit hard on it. Like yeah, Thuderilla and Mother Nature aren't *good* characters, but Thunderilla is honestly one of the most relatable characters and Mother Nature is so nuts she's hilarious (especially when considering how nuts nature can actually be lol). The villain was suitably scary by the end. As crappy mockbuster sequels go, this is honestly not terrible.
@@dragongirl7978 to quote the witch from into the woods, not good, not bad, just nice
I watched this movie as kid! Damn, I thought I had dreamed it. I only remember the part about the strange creature being the prince though. I thought it was a very cool idea, but in retrospect, I see it could have been done a lot better.
Sofia Matos OMG me too, I guess this movie was so bad that even my little kid mind wanted to push this movie all the way back in my subconscious
Storywise: I would have had the Shadowman either help Snow Whire more and much earliar (maybe show him guiding her to the Dwarves’ house) our show him as a unwilling servant trying to fight back and keep her safe
Also, maybe a curse where they can’t be together, or he can’t tell her who he truly is, SOMETHING
My big change to the movie would be that Snow White has Thunderella’s arc of doubting herself and thinking that she can’t save the Prince because she is just a princess and has no training to do knight stuff and saving people. The Dwarfelles help Snow White along the way and give her encouragement to overcome the challenges Lord Malice throws at her. Eventually she manages to fight off Malice’s forces and faces him herself and he tries to play mind games with her and tells her that she is weak and helpless and Snow White declares that she isn’t weak or helpless and gains the courage to overpower malice and save the Prince and the day. The idea of the princess being the one to save the Prince is such a good idea for a movie and could work really well if the movie is written well enough.
Are we sure Malice wasn't Maleficent's cousin or something?
He would be more believable as maleficent's brother than the evil queens. Malice=maleficent. They both turn into dragons
"Happy Fluffy Bunny Land" Now I'm using that name for the evil overlord's evil home...
Eh. I think you’d still get the same result. I would name ny domain as boring as possible.
All you need now is Bean Bunny.
I think "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" had a similar joke. XD
My evil realm would be called Pichu Valley and really be full of Ghost Pokémon that are known to drain energy from their victims and Mimikyu that are wearing outfits that cause curious victims to look underneath the cloth and die.
I've always been wondering this. If there is a musical hell, is there a musical heaven? Surly the good musicals would be rewarded, right?
There is. We see a bit of it and Diva's heavenly counterpart, Donna, in Diva's review of Portal 2: The Unauthorized Musical. Episode #60, if I recall correctly.
The Tony awards LMAO
I think Musical Heaven is technically Know The Score. It acknowledges the good in decent to masterful musicals
She cared for the Shadowman as dearly as the prince, despite having just met him. I know he saved her life and all but it sort of makes it apparent just how unnaturally quick romances go forward in fairy tale movies. She was kissed awake in the original story by someone she never knew and so she decided she'd marry him. Shadowman could have easily replaced the prince if he weren't the prince himself and they never found him. I really wouldn't be comfortable with that if I was the prince.
Honestly I was hoping Snow White and the Shadowman would end up together.
Fun fact: that scene from the Hobbit used in this video was actually done in one take since the actor legitimately caught the egg in his mouth, making the reaction of the other actor truly genuine.
Speaking of Dom Deluise, he did a pretty good job in Oliver & Company as Fagin.
He ]does universally great jobs. He has a son in Disney's Wizards of Waverly Place, a Disneycom that while it can have its bad episodes from time to time, it is, at heart, one of the many that has been done right!
The movie is pretty good too.
@@kieranstark7213 And he was Coop in Megas XLR!
@@DigiMega351 Not to mention Ronin in Epic also looks like Jerry Russo! XD
Dom DeLuise also did a good job voicing Itchy in All Dogs Go to Heaven.
Is it just me, or is Thunderella's song resemble Girls Just Wanna Have Fun?
she is a discount Cindy Louper
Ughhh I hate that song
Dom Deluise and Carol Channing both deserve better than a lot of the films they've been in - certainly better than the animated musicals they were both in
16:36 You know, I kind of want a villain like that at some point. Their original plan goes out the window due to circumstance, so they have to improvise from that moment on.
This movie has precisely one good thing in it: Lord Maliss' dragon roar. That roar is BADASS, dude.
5:19 The magic mirror totally looks like an evil Cogsworth from Beauty and the Beast
The voice acting is really good, so at least there's something enjoyable about it. Got Irene Cara (God rest her soul) playing as Snow White, it's always nice hearing Dom DeLuise doing his thing, and Malcolm McDowell being delightfully villainous. And even as pointless as they are, Scowl and Batso are played by legends too, being Ed Asner and Frank Welker respectively.
To quote NC, "Dom, Dom, what are you doing in so many bad movies?"
Also, 5:56 "If I have to sweat in the sewers or the Plague Hospital, I'll live and I'll have them!"
+Gamer Rob "Oh you poor thing"
Speaking of which, does The Magic Voyage have enough songs to qualify for Muscial Hell?
Thunderella's song sounds suspiciously similar to an '80s hit song... more precisely, it sounds eerily like 'Girls Just Want To Have Fun' by Cyndi Lauper...
The "shadow man" reminds me of that floating cloaked figure from the He-Man cartoon (Ork? I don't know, I've never seen the show).
+harrietamidala1691 Orko, yes.
+Musical Hell Also, that refernce you made on The Princess and the Frog was 19 years later
+Musical Hell animat reviewed this
+Will Lyon yep
+harrietamidala1691 Orko, the useless mage/comic relief.
The one itty-bitty saving grace I'd award this is that at least the quality of the animation is better than most of what Filmation did for TV. (Not that many of their shows weren't rather well-written, but you could really spot the limited animation after watching them for a few minutes.)
The funny thing is...this isn't the first sequel Filmation did for Snow White. They did a TV special around the late seventies or early eighties called A Snow White Christmas that had to do with Snow's daughter (also named Snow White). I remember seeing it on TV as a kid.
Jennifer Schillig True, but that's not a very high bar to set...
There is some small amusement to be had with playing "Hey, it's that guy!" on the second-tier celebrity cast, though.
"Well my fiancé and I were attacked by a dragon and I'm all alone with no one to help me but at least I look fabulous!"😂
Rest In Peace Irene Cara, Ed Asner, Phyllis Diller, Carol Channing, Jonathan Harris, Sally Kellerman, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Linda Gary and Dom DeLuise.
8:02 Wow. They've been gender swapping male characters in rebootquels since the early 90s. So this is where it all began.
Actually my mom used to watch it happened one Christmas which is a gender flipped version of it’s a wonderful life and that came out in the 70s
Didn't the second Little Mermaid movie also have a plot about the main villain's sibling coming back to get revenge on the main character??
Yep.
Diva had me with the "Oh crap, it's Professor Snape" line.🤣 But surely the evil minions would be Slytherin? He never takes points off his own house!
This is legit bugging me. I remember a follow up to Snow White, called "Happily Ever After". I remember it was a good movie and I was very impressed in my young child brain with how forward Snow White was (She did have long hair, but looked more Snow White-ish? But was not a traditional princess). I do remember the chase scene, but it was very different to this movie. I do not remember any of this music or this movie at all. I'm starting to think young me remembers a completely different movie.
Edit: Actually I do remember the Shadowman. I remember he was my favorite, too (very interesting character). I still don't remember the girl version of the dwarves.
Blush Muffin It's a really odd feeling indeed! I've experienced something similar with The Thief and the Cobbler. Before I found out its name, I could only remember four particular scenes from the movie, as well as watching it in a foreign language, but after actually finding it and reading about its history, I discovered that I had very inaccurate memories of said scenes: different dialogue and character design, things that never happened, etc. Moreover, I can't for the life of me even say where I watched it (none of my relatives had it). It's both funny and interesting how distorted certain childhood memories can become.
@@aurea. that's because there are actually 2 versions of the thief and the cobbler film.
You remember the few good bits, then rewrite the rest with something better.
Is this your movie? th-cam.com/video/ltT-KQOrWzs/w-d-xo.html
I am so incredibly glad you reviewed this! I have vague and brief flashes of this movie imbedded in my memory, and until recently I had forgotten what it was. I was shocked no one had reviewed it, but then I found this channel! The gratification for seeing it get torn up is just surreal and oh-so-satisfying.
This review is funny...but I loved this movie as a kid for some reason XD
I think I liked the juxtaposition of the wackier Nelvana style with the traditional Disney 'musical fairy tale' bit. And I really liked the mysterious shadow guy: really felt for him.
7:48 "Just because I'm being haunted doesn't mean I can't be BEAUTIFUL!"
Patrick House Is that a JonTron reference?
I'm being strangled by the man in the mirror~
*AUGH!*
@@avalasialove It was...
I don't care this movie has always been my Guilty Pleasure! and I love Mother Nature, and hey at least they gave the Prince SOMETHING else to do other than kiss the girl to wake her up.
I like how it’s the Princess that must save the Prince for once. That is extremely rare to see in any media outside of video games. That type of plot device has so much potential to deviate from the norm but still make some sense. The only times I can think that the princess saves the prince are The Little Mermaid when Ariel saves Eric from drowning, Pocohantas stops John Smith’s execution, Cinderella III A Twist In Time, and Belle when she goes to stop the angry mob from storming the castle.
Still better than what Universal has been shoving down our throat, but still not as engrossing as "Ever After High" with the daughters of Snow White and the Evil Queen at odds.
Ever After High is my fucking jam. It's surprisingly really, really good, and tackles unusually adult issues like living up to society's expectations and even death with a mature yet child-friendly tone. You'd think that it would be as popular as Steven Universe or MLP, but almost no one talks about it.
Dom Deluise is usually a saving grace of bad films. He just has one of those voices that you can’t hate.
The Skateboard Kid and The Magic Voyage are some other films he's in.
Not even he can save bad schlock like 'Going Bananas'. (Bonzo LOOOOVES Benny.)
True. 😎RIP Dom.🥺
He put 110% into every role he was in, no matter how crappy the movie *coughtrollincentralparkcough* and I highly respect that. Rest in peace, Dom ❤
I watched this movie as a kid. I didn't remember anything but you have somehow awakened that memory.
I gotta say, while literally everything else about this movie makes me glad I never actually saw it, the visual style is pure 70s/80s Narm and I am ALL ABOUT THAT. I could definitely go for some reaction GIFs of this movie.
Thankfully there is not a third evil sibling. There is, however, another sequel to this franchise also released by Filmation, several years before this one came about. It's called Snow White's Christmas, stars Snow White's daughter (also named Snow White), her cute/annoying sidekick Grunyun, and the seven giants who are also somehow cousins of the dwarfs and subsequently the dwarfelles. Their family has a wacky dynamic. And of course, no $2 kids film would be complete without really awful songs! :D Give that one a watch if you haven't already
Funny enough, there was a "sequel" special by the same studio, and it also copies a lot from disney, such as queen's look, Snowwhite's helpers and mirror. But there are also some differences, such as Snowwhite being a daughter of original princess, and being acompannied not by seven dwarfs but their cousins - seven giants (don't ask how that works)
I used to love this movie when I was a kid. We’d always have to rent this one for me, along with Nightmare before Christmas and Dracula, dead and loving it. I’m so glad you did this one.
Also, a few times you say “Malice” I hear “Phallus”, which isn’t far off character wise, but I had to back up and check. Lord Phallus lol
I gotta say. If I was magically transfigured beyond recognition and chose to support my sweetheart from the shadows, and then when I was mortally wounded heard him say he loved my perceived separate self as much as he did me... I'd be pissed. Like, wtf...?
Yeah, I was mortified when something like that happened to me. I looked at my bf like my whole world shattered and everything I thought I knew about his feelings for me was a lie.
But to be fair, here the prince and Snow White are both equally shallow and will fall in love with someone on a whim. Plus clearly SW never cared that much for the prince to begin with. Her hair was a priority.
If I recall, this movie was part of a project by Filmation to make sequels to fairy tales before Disney shut them down. Another made it through though. Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night.
that's so sad. as if Disney owns fairytales
Actually, Filmation was shut down by Loreal after they were bought out by them.
That movie gave me nightmares
@@coreleiDisney doesn’t own fairy tales. They belong to the people’s cultural heritage, not to some corporate behemoth
@@willlyon7129 yes that's literally what i said...?
Aw, man, Tracey Ullman was the voice of Thunderella! Why, Tracey, why?!
Come to think of it, a lot of talent in this movie is wasted: Malcolm McDowell, Jonathan Harris, Irene Cara (not much of an actress, but she deserved a longer music career), Sally Kellerman, what a pity.
"Nuttier than a squirrel's pantry"... hope you don't mind if I steal that for everyday use. :)
Laura Dietrich Don't forget Edward Asner.
Laura Dietrich you're kiddin
Don't forget Dom Delouise
Wait... Tracey Ullman? You mean the one who produced those ancient old-timey Simpsons shorts from 1987???
Don’t forget Zsa Zsa Gabor (has to check Wikipedia for that one.)
Rest In Peace Irene Cara the voice of Snow White and the Greatest Singer.
9:21 Thunderella's song kinda sounds like "Girls Who Just Wanna Have Fun"
I think that the voice actors and actresses did a pretty decent job in this movie and that most of the songs were decent in movie soundtrack songs go and that the plot was slightly better and much stronger than Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night. This movie didn’t jump to random and unnecessary scenes and did a good job focusing most of the movie on Snow White and what she had to do to save the Prince. It’s also interesting to see a Princess need to save the Prince for once and turns the cliché trope upside down. Only thing is the story could have been a bit better and had Snow White have Thunderella’s arc where doubts herself when it comes to saving the Prince but the Dwarfelles encourage her to overcome challenges along the way and she learns that real courage and strength comes from within yourself and will always come shining through when challenges get in the way.
This isn't the first time Filmation tried to cash in on Snow White. Earlier they made A Snow White Christmas. Here the seven dwarves are replaced by the seven friendly giants.
I remember this from my childhood (OOF MAN I watched a lot of pap as a kid), and I DO remember that the owl hitting the tree was funny
Broke: Malice's human design
Woke: Malice's dragon design
The Dwarf-elles have freakin' superpowers. They're basically a team of X-Men. How did they end up THAT useless?
Seriously. One can make earthquakes, one can direct sunlight, one can shoot lightning, one can grow plants..the only two that seem useless are the water one and the sleepwalker one.
Actually the power to control water can be terrifying if you think about it. You could easily take out all the water in a lake and shape it into a gigantic orb and have it float in the air and then shove some people into it and make them drown or release said water on an unsuspecting town and flood the entire place causing massive death and destruction in less than a minute. Think of that type of power as being Hurricane Katrina on steroids.
Interestingly, Disney did not, in fact, ever make their own crappy cash grab sequel to Snow White. 🤷♀️
The Prince in his disguise looks like Orko from 'He-Man'.
I remember this movie. I watched this video tape hundreds of times as a kid.
14:14
This scene just made this whole thing worth it, Diva! Good job!
I remember being so butt-hurt my baby sister got to see this when it came to theaters. I couldn't go because I didn't handle the original witch very well and no one wanted a repeat of that break down.
Geez, I remember watching this movie tons of times in my childhood. To be honest, I loved it back then aha
0:47 I think Filmation actually termed Happily Ever After, along with Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night, and Journey Back to Oz as "continuations of the classic films".
Imagine Maliss and his sister had a lesser-known brother named Overlord Skullotaxis (who looked like a bootleg Skeletor) with the power to turn into terrifying skeletal beasts (including dragons). It then turns out they never talk about him much because he was more annoying than evil. Why? His "evil plan" was to put skulls on anything and everything using his Artifacts of Skullo-Magic. It was too "Warhammer" for their tastes. He also had a habit of making one too many bone puns.
8:13- Snow White after the events of the movie: Why didn’t you ever tell me of your obviously stronger cousins?
Grumpy: We’re very distantly related to them, especially Critterina...which I’m sure involved a very taboo relationship.
I just want to know how they got all of these iconic voice actors to be in this. Was the pay that good? Was this a Scientology Wolf Tracers Believe in Santa situation?
Another thing. There's a subtle, or maybe not so subtle reference to Tolkiens books and I liked it aging up. There's the quest for the evil realm... inside the mountain... with the dwarfes... and the spooky creature following them... looks familiar!
The prince looks like He-Man.
The shadow man looks like Orko.
Does this take place in Eternia?
Considering that Maliss bears a striking similarity to Skeletor as Keldor from the 2002 cartoon, I'm inclined to say yes. Although it seems this Keldor is more or less the incompetent Classic Skeletor as opposed to the badass Skeletor from the 2002 cartoon.
The Dwarfels look like they came out of Whispering Woods.
10:44 based on the fact that batfish, aye ayes, and the abomination that is the goblin shark exist, I can totally by mother nature being insane.
10:22 - Okay, this shot here, with the swan.
The fuck is with it? The framing of the scene gives it a weird amount of weight. And the way it passes behind the tree suggests that we are supposed to anticipate something will happen off-screen. When the scene started, I half expected the swan to reveal herself as Mother Nature in disguise, but no, it's just a swan.
It's like this movie was made by someone who had no grasp of visual language.
Oh, wait . . .
“The seven dwarfs used to live there!”
“Not anymore! We killed them!”
“Ohhhh...”
A few months ago, my brother and I were talking about movies that scared us as kids. I brought up this movie because I specifically remember seeing the cover of the video, thinking it would be a magical musical adventure but was scared shitless every time Maliss came on screen! I couldn't get through the third of act of the movie, it was too intense for me!
15:06 If you think he's bad, watch "A Snow White Christmas" and tell us which villain you think is dumber.
17:34 No, they'll just find a way to bring the evil queen back to life...because that's the next overused sequel trope.
12:26- Muddy: There's a man in the shadows that's looking eerily and suspiciously down at eyes from above, but lacks the overtly evil qualities of Lord Maliss and his minions.
Thunderella: Maybe, he's a good person or a neutral individual that's looking just to make sure we don't harm him as he lives in peace in this cave without bothering-
Muddy: Get that shadow man! He's definitely evil because he wears dark clothing and doesn't look traditionally cute or good! He must be Maliss' minion or an equally evil person. Let's try to kill this stranger without even knowing what he's like as an individual!
So, the other Dwarfelles have names, huh? What about the other five?
13:11- Even worse as he did it twice outside of his realm, but apparently sending rhino/dinosaur wolves after her or turning her to stone with his cape that could backfire on him over turning into a wyvern to just kill her; or alternatively kill her under the guise of her beloved prince would be too dark for a kid's story apparently.
Batso is the WORST character Frank Welker has ever played. The GREAT Frank Welker's talent is utterly wasted in this failure.
Tornado1994 Welker is probably the most prolific voice artist living (IMDb lists over 700 credits to his name); it's inevitable there would be a few stinkers in the mix.
Musical Hell Thunderella is voiced by Tracey Ulman. Even SHE'S better than this. Hell, her Little Lulu voice had more depth and likability than bland,cowardly ass Thunderella. Alot of good talent failed in this. Malcom McDowell,Irene Cara,Ed Asner. This film, like Felix The Cat The Movie(which was made around the same time), should have BEEN relegated to DTV.
more prolific than Mel Blanc, who not only VA'd the majority of Looney Toons, but also DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of radio personalities?
+David Spring He did say "living."
@@MusicalHell Beautiful Singing"
to be somewhat fair to the "I cared for him as deeply as the prince" line...at least she had interaction with the Shadow Man before randomly deciding she cared for him. In the Disney version, he interrupted her duet (with herself), sang at her for about a minute, and we didn't see him again until he was kissing her corpse.
I'm about half way through this review and the prince shows up. I do hope there's going to be a He-Man reference at some point.
*less than 2 minutes later.
Perfect.
*several more minutes later
I see they also ripped off Orko from He-Man as well.
Has anyone pointed out that Malice’s castle looks likes Maleficent’s castle And the magic mirror looks like Cogsworth from beauty and the beast????
mother nature's character model was def taken off mad madam mim (also, been binge watching your videos, love your content!)
Thunderella's singing voice makes her sound like a discount Cyndi Lauper
man, I watched this movie as a kid, probably more than once, but I can't remember any rapping owl. I guess I managed to repress the worst aspect of it (honestly I found it fun as a kid, though, but it was basically a magical adventure with a princess, so it didn't need to try that hard =P)
11:37- the existence of Mother Nature in this Snow White unofficial sequel adds more questions than answers. If she’s a short walk away from the dwarfs, why didn’t she go outside to stop the Queen from poisoning Snow White. Is she a recluse, indifferent to anything that happens at the dwarfs’ house or does her powers somehow have no range outside her realm to stop an apparently powerless lady disguised as a peddler woman, one without anything that isn’t potion based? Or was the random lightning strike that killed the Evil Queen caused by Mother Nature to inflict karma or Thunderella by accident. Maybe the dwarfs should’ve trusted Snow White to their cousins and boss that control Nature itself instead of a little warning and no other protection alternatives.
I loved this movie when I was a kid and I remember renting it every time we got to go to blockbuster. Damn my parents really must have loved me to put up with listening to it as much as they did!
That part in this movie where her hands are tied, but she gasps and puts her hands to her face.
I can honestly remember always watching this movie right after Disney's snow white and never realizing they weren't made by the same company or anything. I sort of never clued in till years later. However, despite the fact that this movie is in no way good, i still remember having a soft spot for it growing up and it does bring back a lot of fond memories when I think about it. I enjoy it corniness and I like the idea of some aspects to the movie. It's sort of a guilty pleasure that is saved by the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia
Despite all of this, this movie was seared into my brain during childhood like a bizarre dream
9:36 I gotta agree with you, her singing is bad, but something about the way she pronounces the t in “too” when she says “well I can do that TOO” is ESPECIALLY annoying and I can’t figure out why.
Honestly it sounds like the actor CAN sing but is holding herself back by singing in over the top cutesy kid voice.
And also, I'm not sure why but the fact that Batso is a bat with a mouse head bothers me more than it should.
11:08 put Woody from Toy Story laughing pretentiously on this. hah hah. what's next? Lady Bug? Butter Fly? Grass Hopper?
OMGush!! I remember this as a kid!! Its one of those movies I thought was my imagination, cuz I could never find any info on it...
Omg, I never saw this movie, but it always grabbed my attention when I went to the video store for rentals as a kid. I hope you review The Swan Princess too!
I have this love hate relationship with this film, i grew up watching it and i agree it's bad but it's also something i love cause childhood.
when it comes to movies like this, liking it (or not), depends heavily on when you first watch it.
I was somwhere between 4 and 6 when my parents bought the VHS for me.
We often couldn't afford premium cable at the time which meant no Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, or Disney channel (until Comcast changed their line up a few years later) and our collection of tapes were small because they were $20 or more each (which was a lot for 2 minimum wages parents trying to save up for an apartment that wasn't above a nasty old woman that would turn the heat off every time "the kids are being too loud".)
Point being that when I was younger I thought this version was more exciting than Disney's version and it was my number 3 choice to watch for many years.
(Lion King took first place when it came out, Land Before Time would tie with the 2D version of Charlotte's Web for second, All Dogs go to Heaven tied for 3rd with Happily Ever After.)
Thanks for the warning about the Ed Asner rap. And don't tease about the Fluffy Bunny Land of evil - several transdimensional demons are terrified of bunnies!
That's nice of her because no one wants to hear Carl from Up try to sing a rap song.
'Hey Freakazoid, wanna go around town, and be BAD?'
2:08- which would make the Evil
Queen retroactively more idiotic as she decides to undergo the poison Apple scheme, to either be a scapegoat for some vengeful dwarfs to go after or at least cannon fodder to be sacrificed in order to stay alive. Then again, given how incompetent they are, they were likely kept away as they’d be as much of a mortality rate increasing liability than actual help.
"Party Time, Party Time!" Is it bad that I thought that song was actually part of the movies soundtrack? XD Haven't seen this movie since I was a kid.
Why is Maliss a dragon if he can't shoot fire? Like, thats one of the MAIN THINGS dragons can do! Imagine if GOT only had dragons picking up people and doing...absolutely nothing to them, XD
MY MEMORIES OF THIS MOVIE HOLY SHIT I USED TO ADORE THIS AS A KID
5:32 jokes aside, that image is terrifying
15:56 to 16:00 I thought of that myself, but in that case, they might as well have just unfroze Maliss and make the climax scene longer than it needed to be.
I'm really looking forward to your review of Paint Your Wagon. That is going to be glorious.
It didn't disappoint one bit!!
This is a guilty pleasure for me. One thing that hurts this movie is that what was released was an edited version of it. I think in the original cut Maliss was a little darker, the loads had a better attack on Maliss and a couple other scenes were cut to make it more ‘kid friendly’ and ‘marketable’. Sadly I doubt an uncut version could be released because the cut footage hasn’t been found after all this time.
My mom picked this up at blockbuster, I remember loving this as a kid.