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What the…… has the world stopped turning? Jase no way you’ve chosen a Specialized over an Ibis , no way bro 😂😂!! Just kidding, looks like a blast right there dude , I still wanna see you try demo the Orbea Rise M10 ! 😂👍🏾 I think you will absolutely love it 🙌🏼
Wish they had an Rx option. My Rx Oakley's were stolen from my car a while back and it is painful to buy replacements. Some poor thief is probably wondering what sort of messed up sunglasses they ended up with.
Thanks for the honest review! That's why I watch this channel. Regarding other channels glowing about the Stumpjumper, a lot of these other reviewers depend on advertising and other revenue streams tied to the bikes they review. Hence there is a conflict of interest. It's actually pretty hard to get an honest review out there.
Lots of reviewers don't want to be critical of a bike because they want that bike company to keep sending them bikes to review. I've seen bike companies blacklist reviewers who gave one of their bikes an honest review.
To say you like Specialized tyres is the definition of honesty. The current generation are really good. They have a terrible but now underserved reputation
Jason no need to apologize for your honest review. That is why I come to your channel to watch. I feel so many other bike reviewers are biased and have to promote the bike due to sponsors. Keep up the great reviews.
haha thank you for saying so... I've been sitting on this edit for a few weeks unsure if I should publish it... I also video's talking in front of my house with my wife filming after 3 different days of riding never being happy with what I said and feeling like I needed to give the bike another chance and more tinkering with the set up... in the end, just never felt super comfortable at high speeds on this new stumpy 15.
That description of being "hung up" is a good way to put it. I noticed this on my EVO as well. Will be plush as hell but if you hit a square edged bump it can feel like the shock doesn't move.
@mtbyumyum that is more the suspension than the bike itself. Running a properly setup coil fixes that up. I have a stumpy evo. I find the same issue with the front end of my bike mostly with the grip2; air suspension has limits🤷🏽♂️
Content idea! I feel this channel is one of the most reliable and ethical resources to learn from. :) The SB 140 has a huge price variance in builds. I think it would cool and very interesting to do a head to head against itself. base model vs. top spec. Maybe the closest to mid price as well.
Great review, and thank you for spending your hard earned $$$$ on the bike to give an unbiased perspective. Much appreciated. The lighting on trail for this video was exceptional. Not sure if it was intentional on your part, but - wow, the colors were popping. I wish more reviewers would pay attention to good lighting, as it adds so much to the video quality. Nice work - thank you.
Wow, thank you! And you're right.... I spent a lot of money on this build and will end up loosing a fair bit of money when I sell this one.... thank you to everyone who supports my channel and shops via my affiliate links below the videos.... it's honestly the only way I can keep this channel going as I have basically no support from the mountain bike manufactures like so many of the other TH-cam reviewers.... Thank you!
I really appreciate the honest review. I have the Stumpy 15 and I don’t have any of your biggest issues because of my setup. I can ride size S4 or S5 and I went with the S5 to get the longer chain stay. That makes a big difference in getting traction at the front wheel and feeling balanced on the bike. I also purchased the frame only and built it with DT Swiss wheels that are much stronger than the ones that Specialized used. I strongly believe the wheels they chose hinder the stumpy in rough terrain. Lastly, I’m using my EXT suspension that I had on my previous bike. I feel extremely confident on this bike in rough terrain and it still rips on more mellow terrain. That being said, you shouldn’t have to make all the changes I made to the bike.
I love it! Finally a review where you’re not absolutely gushing over a bike. I can justify giving you credibility for honest reviews! 😜 in fairness, your enthusiasm for the sport is contagious and I enjoy every review you post! That being said, I have a 21’ stumpy evo. I ride a large and I’m probably about 35 - 40 pounds heavier than you. I put a coil over, Mulleted Cascade link, and a 170 Zeb on my stEVO for the same reason you’re describing about the current stumpy; it just felt nervous in high speed chunk. Now, it’s definitely more stable in the rough with loads of traction but sacrificed that poppy sporty nature you talk about. Still climbs well enough, though. The stEVO and, by extension, the new stumpy is a great bike but definitely takes some tweaking to find that sweet spot.
Thanks for the honest review!!! ...the reason I value your reviews is that I can trust them to be honest. I have a 2022 Specialized Stumpjumper EVO (purchased before they discounted them) and love it...glad to know it's still a great ride ;-) s
I loved my 2022 EVO as well and glad to hear it’s still working for you! Probably the best fitting bike Ive ever had. Really fun bike and not too heavy for what it is
I'm no bike reviewer and I don't get to ride every bike so I can't really compare between bikes other than the ones I have owned. I also live in a remote part of New Zealand (Wanaka) so I don't have access to test ride many different brands. I bought the Stumpy 15 without even seeing one in the flesh and TBH I love it. Maybe it's not the best bike in the world but it's certainly frickin' awesome. I'm loving it.
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@@mtbyumyum We always look out for your latest reviews Jase , yeah we agree I think it’s between the new Ripley or Ripmo , I think you just need to 1 ..set the bike up so it’s exactly how you want it to fit and feel and 2 .. more time on both bikes. I’ve had a ride on the new Ripmo and honestly I just thought “ this is the bike that I’ve been waiting for for so long “ I guess it always comes down to what you actually want to do with the bike and then just narrow it down to the smaller details 👍🏾 appreciate you , ride safe , great time to be a mountain biker for sure ✔️
As a 200# rider who has very technical east coast trails immediate up and down these reviews could not be further from what would benefit me but I enjoy and appreciate them just the same.
I’ve been highly anticipating this review! Thank you for your honesty! I was super stoked about the Stumpy 15 when it was announced but the forced mullet on the S2 size (which I am) and the forced AXS on Comp model already has me second guessing if this was my next bike. I’m glad you talked about feeling a bit unconfident at higher speeds because I value control and confidence. I’ve been stuck between this and the Switchblade and this review has solidified my choice of the Switchblade. Thank you again and keep up the great reviews!
Glad it was helpful. Also, double check sizing on the Pivot switchblade before you purchase. I’ve always felt right at home on a medium pivot bike until recently. Both the Firebird and switchblade in size medium are too big for me. In fact, I bought a size small Firebird two seasons ago and really enjoyed it, but in the end, it was a little too cramped for me. I’m sort of in between sizes now on Pivot at 5’8”
@ I was fortunate enough to be able to attend two Pivot demo days at my local bike shop these past couple years and tried medium and small in the old and updated models. Small still fits me well despite the changes in the latest generation.
I appreciate the comparisons to bikes with similar applications, and I'm glad not every review is positive. Its hard to navigate the market when everyone loves every bike.
If it’s high on your list, I would still try to get a demo and see what you think. I would have a hard time recommending this bike over the Yeti SB140 or new V3 Ripmo…
was 80% going to upgrade my stumpy evo with this bike based on what i had read about it from other "sources". your review convinced me to either sit tight with my evo or maybe look at the sentinel as my next bike.
No, the whole world is not going wireless. I prefer mechanical cable shifting, you get feedback when shifting on what is going on, super reliable, and you don’t need electronics and another battery to worry about for the long term. Keep it simple. Great, honest review, thank you for keeping it real.
I completely agree. The presence of the actual shifting on my thumb is what I like. I prefer cables because I can kind of preload the tension on the cable for just the precise point I need the bike to shift. And plus the no battery thing is a no-brainer.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. I so appreciate your honest reviews. Yes most of the time the bikes you review are all amazing. This one for you was not. Like you say a great time to be a mountain biker. So many choices. Oh by the way, I'm 62 and would not be seen dead on a Root Bear Brown bike. 😊 Short travel and Black!
Thanks Jason, always love your reviews. curious if you saw the pinkbike review of the aluminum version? also would love to see your review of the new Sentinel. 🤙🏼
Jase I gotta be honest I’ve thought about this a bit now but it all makes sense… the bike for you is the…… RIPLEY !! 😂🎉 we’ve watched hours of your reviews and that’s the conclusion… end of story 🤣🤘🏾!!
Always appreciate your reviews. I think the challenge with these adjustable bikes is there’s just not time to test every setting. Really curious to see if you changed that HTA if you’d feel differently about the bike feeling nervous. I personally love the middle ground coming from a stumpy evo. I think the previous stumpy was too on the “pedally” side and the evo is too much for pedal days. The 15 is a good balance for most of us who don’t love the chunky stuff, moderate jumps and also want to be able to pedal all day. It’s a great ONE bike option. It is a master of none which I think we all have to remember. Last point, I’m a techy person and LOVE that there is no hole for the cabling. Much cleaner look. That being said I understand folks feeling forced. Every bike is not for everyone and I am not sure I would’ve mad that decision for the masses. They’re attempting to keep the price of bikes up in my opinion by forcing the need for electronic shifting.
Makes me glad that I have one bike that I can keep it dialed and really get the feel of it. Having to constantly fiddle and mess with setup would be hard for me.
@Jason, I know that reviewing bikes is all about trying out as many as possible. I’m more referring to people who buy a new bike, thinking it will revolutionize their skills. I’ve ridden a variety of bikes-HT, XC, All-Mountain, Enduro, Ebike, and more. Overall, I’ve found that tires and trail conditions have a much greater impact on my ability than any specific bike’s geometry.
do you personally know that many people who think bikes will make them better, or are you going with the odds there are many since the Earth has about 7 billion chances? @Bench_mark_113
I've also noticed my Stumpy EVO getting hung-up like you mentioned. Never really felt that on my old SB130 LR or my new SB140 LR Other than that, the Stumpy EVO is super stable and capable descending while being surprisingly good on the climbs
@@rcktmnI think it might be the suspension design. I went from a Giant Trance to a Rocky Mountain Instinct with four bar linkage and I immediately noticed it get hung up on square edges more often.
You can hear how different that bike moves across terrain vs a Bronson. Stumpy skipping and bumping where as you can hear how composed the Bronson sounds over the same type of terrain.
Specialized bikes tend to have a higher leverage ratio on there suspension systems. Try running less sag like 25-27% and less rebound Set compression where you like it. I have done this on my levo and it’s dialed!
Great review, similar to what I have felt coming from an evo to 15. Much better pedalling and better on flow trails, maybe 5% worse on chunky stuff. That being said I feel if you like tinkering I’m sure with all the options available you can make 15 feel just like the evo, it’s practically the same geo after all, bump the fork to 160 and it’s basically identical. Not a bike if you are a set it and forget it kinda guy.
Its ok not to like something man. The tires do rock. Try eliminator front and back for better rolling brother. Can you throw the switchblade in the mix of reviews?
Really, the eliminator upfront. Maybe I’ll give it a try. I love these specialized tires though! The switchblade for me doesn’t work anymore. The size medium is just too big of a bike. It feels like it’s taking me for a ride versus the other way around.
@@mtbyumyumThe switchblades are def running bigger but riding better IMO, maybe get a size small demo to review? I think the quality of the ride is as good as Yeti if not better in some situations. Try both eliminators and run the T9 up front. The corner knobs are big enough to run it hard.
I completely agree with you. I honestly think Pivot is the brand to beat right now, but their bikes no longer fit me. It’s really a bummer… the Mach 4 sl still fits me well in a medium
@@mtbyumyumi hopped in a firebird and now my propain tyee 5 feels like garbage. The quality is insane. Also good for going faster than ever, pivot and yeti are the only bikes im buying from now on
Hey man. Love that you gave an honest review. Thank you! I’ve been on a 2019 stumpy since…well…2019. Wanting to upgrade and have heard nothing but glowing reviews on the stumpy 15, which made me a little uneasy (worried about bandwagon reviews). So here’s my question. Will you keep trying with your stumpy 15 to see if you find a setting or adjustment that works for you? I hear the new suspension tech requires some fiddling to get sorted to rider preferences.
Honestly, after three weeks, I’m pretty turned off. I set up dozens of bikes every year. I think the Bike just requires more from people who really want their bike to be dialed. I spend the time to get my suspension just ride. I know other people that I ride with, who don’t ride that often, they don’t even know how to set up their suspension and don’t really care that much. Different strokes for different folks. The bike is un rideable for me as a daily driver with the suspension where it’s at right now. Not planning on fiddling around with it anymore. A bike in this price range should be able to be set up pretty straightforward.
Good honest review. I’ve been a bit torn on the new Stumpjumpers as well and I love Speches tires too! :-) Currently riding the previous gen Stumpy. Any chance you can do a review of the Trek Fuel EX 9.9 or 9.9? Thinking that bike might fall between the Stumpjumper and Yeti. Would love to hear your thoughts.
You touched on a point that has kept me from going back to any long travel Trail or aggressive XC full suspension bike. They all require some kind of dedicated bike set up to feel like you are getting full suspension benefits. They all never seem to be able to handle really fast tech descents plus do i really want to test them going “full gas” and not be able to go back to work Monday morning because I cased it? Just saying. But I really like your reviews even though I don’t think I will ever be buying a full suspension bike again.
Well thanks for watching! I also wonder who the viewers are and it's nice to hear that you're still interested even thought most of these bikes aren't your cut of tea. Thanks!
I always thought what made this bike special was the ability to make the bottom end of the shock really soft, with support at the end of stroke. I wonder what would happen to the understeer and bump compliance if you got the shock set up softer, where it would use all travel. I haven't ridden this bike, so I have no idea!
Yeah, interesting. My experience with Specialized 4 bar horst link "fsr" is I've had to sort of walk a fine line on bike set up.... enough psi (think not too much sag) so the bike pedals well but not too much psi where the bike doesn't have traction and doesn't get through it's travel.
Good review. I know changing out the handlebars and wheels on every review to ENVE makes the reviews even. But any chance keeping with the original equipment especially on this new Stumpjumper would possibly come up with different results?
Honestly, having my own bar and stem on there makes such a big difference. I think it’s the best way to go. That said, I should’ve ran a slightly longer stem on this one.
The slack HTA with a fairly short reach and shorter chainstays... They tried to blend 2 bikes into 1 and this the result. Spesh cut back on R&D, except the Genie is them going back to proprietary stuff-- "innovate or die."
Yeah, I’ve read a number of comments now saying people feel like this bike is more Enduro or a bigger bike than the previous stumpjumper Evo. That was not my experience at all. Like you said, I feel like this new stumpjumper 15 is a blend of the two previous stump jumpers. I would definitely prefer being on the Evo in janky, gnarly terrain… the new stumpjumper 15 definitely feels very smooth over chattery sections of trail though. I think the genie does great until it doesn’t.🤷♂️
@@mtbyumyum It is a pretty standard eye to eye shock mount length, if one wanted to change it... but why pay for the expensive shock in the first place? They will offer cable shifting and different suspension platforms when the alloy version is released. It took about 2 years for Spesh to release the Alloy Evo. I think they will be quicker for the Stumpy 15, bc I don't think they are selling. Mandatory e-shifting turns a lot of people off.
Great review, as always! I'm in SoCal, so we ride somewhat similar terrain. If you had to choose one do-it-all bike between Stumpy 15 and new Ripmo, which would you choose and why, please?
If sticking with 29er, I’d go with the Yeti SB140 LR. The new Ripmo V3 is a very close second. I have a video coming out in two weeks about both those bikes. Also, Salt Cycles has the Yeti up to 35% off right now. 801-943-8502 Hard to beat that pricing!
Great review if you have the older model why upgrade if the bike isn't any better,was it just me or was there a porthole on the righthand side of the headtube with what looked like a rubber bung ,anyway yep mechanical shifting for me as well
Probably not. I didn’t love my time on that bike and I had it for like a month. It just felt like a squishy balloon. I wouldn’t mind trying the rascal out again though…..
Good to hear your perspective... I've had too many stumpys to list, including the stEvo, my19 650b, my21 flex stays 29er and more, with several different shocks on each. I honestly think you need to play with the shock, something is not right. It is night and day difference between the stEvo and stumpy15/genie, with the later feeling like a much bigger bike. Did u play with the bands? Verify 30% / 16.5mm sat in the back and 20%/30mm up front? Has that fork been on anything else? Not a fan of fox, too many quality control issues. It is crazy composed setup that I do think is likely most attributed to the shock and the lower BB.
Yes, I’ve ridden it maybe five or six times with one volume spacer in the genie shock and then four or five more rides with two volume spacers in the shock. I honestly just feel like I couldn’t get my handlebars low enough or get my weight out in front of the bike enough.
@mtbyumyum what size were u on? I did grab a 45mm stem vs my typical 35mm, I also sized down to an s3 vs s4 typically as I wanted something more playful and good on steep faces larger jumps. I've got a big bike too. I settled on one spacer for mid stroke and the larger green spacer for end stroke support and about 170psi. Those playing with the spacers be warned, shock will feel terrible until u cycle it completely a few times, go do some good bunny hops. If u are riding flow and no chunk, two volume spacers, feels most similar to stEvo... Luv the transformative feeling with huge volume and one though. U will sit deeper, more often, into the stroke though so some 160-165mm cranks suggested.
Thanks for the review!! Quick question: So do you still have Specialized Stumpjumper Sworks? Is new 15 a lot more sluggish than 2022 Sworks in flowy trail?
@@mtbyumyum awesome, thanks! In your opinion, I like to do a lot of climbing when I ride but would like something somewhat capable downhill. What is the best climbing bike? Something in the short travel category. I used to ride the Ripley V4 and regret selling that.
The sb120 is actually pretty similar to the old v4 Ripley in how it feels on the trail but slightly better descending. Little heavier but a lot of fun and on crazy discount right now at Salt Cycles. 801-943-8502
I just think you need to work on the tuning of the suspension to balance. I’ve watched a lot of other reviews on this bike and some people said if you’re running it more soft in the rear then the front should be ran with 160mm to match. Also heard the new grip x2 damper is a bit more firm than the outgoing grip2. Sucks it didn’t jive with you.
Sounds like a bad bike for the money then. Its funny how people have to come up with solutions to problems which shouldnt exist. Also specialized is a very mid manufacturer with a cult following, no bang for buck
Yeah, years ago... honestly, I rarely ever run into problems setting up a bike (I set up a new bike almost every week for the past 7 years!) and once I get it dial in it's good for that trail system... only ever need to make adjustments when going to different riding locations really.
Yeah, I took all the air out of this fork to make sure there was no negative air pressure. The fork is fine. I even stopped by Salt Cycles, my local bike shop and had a mechanic look at it to make sure that wasn’t the problem. I think the front end just lacked confidence for me on this thing.
Thanks for your honest review. I am curious, having rode this bike for 3+ weeks. Did you play around with the 6 geo settings to see if there is one that suits your riding style and trails. I find it hard to understand this bike to be sketchy on the rough stuff then it is designed for it. Moreover, Charles Murray raced it in this year's UCI races. I wonder how the genie rear shock should be tuned. You are not the first to struggle with the tokens in the external chamber. Lastly, are you sporting the Grip 2 or X2 Fox 36?
X2 36 as far as the different settings go with the chain stay length and hta... They are similar, if not identical to the previous stumpjumper Evo that I owned last year. I messed around with every single setting and always came back to the neutral setting or the steepest hta setting. So I knew I didn’t have to mess with much
Would you feel comfortable riding long distances daily on it? I can’t get a second bike but need a bike that can handle rough roads and trails but can also be used for epic rides. Thanks
If I could only own one bike at a time, it probably wouldn’t be this category bike. Id probably go with something a little bit less travel and more efficient. Then again, I don’t know your day-to-day rides, riding style or speed and terrain. Something like the Pivot Trail 429 comes to mind tho.
Which bike would you recomend to me if normally I ride trail-enduro but 2 or 3 times a year I race xc? Also I pedal a lot to get to ride down on my rides
It’s not for everyone. I really love this bike. We have opposite riding terrain and styles. Chunk all but disappears ob this bike for me. The short chain stays make it a schralping machine. I have met many people that don’t like it though. And it was way harder to set up to a magic zone than an ibis or even a regular 4 bar.
Yeah, I’m really hoping I just couldn’t get this thing figured out and it was a set up problem. Like I said, I rode it for three weeks and have about a dozen rides on it. It just never clicked for me. Did you ever get a chance to ride the new Ripmo? That rear end is buttery smooth. Feels more like a Santa Cruz bike now than a DW link IBIS.
@ Even “dialed” it’s a weird shock. It’s designed to give up more rear wheel travel easier than similar travel bikes without genie, at least in that first two thirds of shock travel. Specialized also claims that the rear wheel moves as much as their 170 travel enduro on small to medium hits. Because it’s so eager to give up travel but it’s still limited to 140mm, I found that I reached an inconsistent ramp zone where the super linear feel of the shock hits a wall and gets more unpredictable than what I’m used to with most bikes. My” cure” for this was simply to run more pressure in the shock and run the extra tokens. With that it feels so much more like the stumpy Evo only better bottom out by far and better climbing. This set up has absolutely worked well for me and the bike is now predictable, pretty amazing traction for a lower mid travel bike, and excellent bottom out support. All that being said I can from a 22 Bronson which still is my favorite trail bike ever. I also have a hard time recommending this bike to a more aggressive rider because it’s a bit weird and certainly complicated. I don’t even know if what I feel would be replicated for other risers(although clearly not in some cases). I have not gotten to ride the new Ripley or new Ripmo but I was a big fan of both bikes last generations. I’m also not sure I would buy a stumpy 15 over the newer bikes like the new Bronson or Ripmo either. I got the stumpy 15 about a month before the new ripmo dropped. All I know is the clock doesn’t lie and I’m definitely moving fast down hill on this stumpy. Also it jumps like no other stumpjumper as prior generations always have a compromise where I feel like I would get to pick traction or bottom out, sometimes not good either of those… Unfortunately sciatica has been keeping off the bike so I have been living through reviews and videos for a few weeks now so thank you for the great content as always!
No way I'm giving up my Evo Pro for the 15. I didn't even buy the previous Stumpjumper. I'm thinking about buying another frame for a backup or maybe a size smaller build
I have to say, I'm having the opposite experience from yours. Bike feels so much more capable than the travel suggests. However I also have mine spec'd with a 160 ZEB currently. And I think the 160mm fork makes the bike much better. I'm typically a RockShox guy, but giving the Genie a chance and it's holding its own so far after a couple of months. Overall pretty impressed with this bike as a do it all weapon with lot's of adjustment. Like it better than the Yeti SB140LR I rode last year. Thanks for the content, great channel.
Glad you’re having success on the new stumpy. Yeah, the genie shock feels super smooth over chattery sections of trail. On the bigger chunkier sections of Trail it felt like it was getting hung up on everything. Double checked air pressure and sag was spot on. Also, no bottom out.🤷♂️
Super short stem and short chain stays are gonna feel a little sketchy compared to the Ripmo and SB140. Not sold on the shock on this one here but I think your setup on this was not ideal
Thanks for the honest review. I kind of felt the same way when I bought the new epic Evo, it was a great bike, but I could never get the suspension settings just right
I struggled with my Epic 8 EVO at first as well, but now it feels pretty dialed. The biggest improvement for me was lowering the bars (removing a spacer form below the stem). The next best improvement cam from increasing the size of the volume spacer in the rear shock. With these changes, it's easier to weight the front wheel and now it corners great.
Yeah, the new epic evo was a tough one for me. Honestly, I wish I still had the old stumpjumper single pivot frame. I’d love to try that bike with a new fox float shock instead of the DPS shock that came on it.
@@andyfedewa710 definitely had to increase the volume spacer in the rear, my biggest complaint is the small bump compliance and overall how harsh the bike was
Hey Jason, fantastic review your honesty is the best! Specialized take note. The man is the everyday mountain biker. I don’t know what to say. I’m sure it’s OK but I don’t know what to say. Great review Jason keep up the good work.
I have the same bike and had the same issues at the beginning. I love to ride jackobes ladder and trails of higher speeds and difficulty, and finally found what works for me! I’ve been on a lot of yetis and the evo, and this bike far outperforms it on everything! Try the biggest volume spacer is the positive air chamber, and back to one in the negative. Run 5-7 psi lower than you are now, and 2 clicks faster if rebound. It will feel so much better on the higher speed stuff, and for the flow trails just turn the compression dial to the 2 or 3 marker. Another big thing was matching the fork feel to the rear. I have the lyric with the 3.1 in a 160 also with my bars mounted low. This setup feels insane! Hope you try out that rear shock setup!
Wow, OK. I didn’t even think about messing with the volume spacer in the other air chamber. Didn’t even know that was a thing. I guess there’s just a lot of tinkering with this new fox genie shock. That’s probably more than what I’m looking for in a bike. I kinda like the set it and forget it approach. That has worked well for me on my Ibis Bikes….
@@mtbyumyum I think that’s a big reason a lot of the initial reviews raved about this bike. A lot of them had specialized engineers with them to help tune the shock. Definitely wasn’t straight forward. Understanding the air chambers helped me a lot.
My opinion, all these mid-travel trail bikes, even some of the all-mtn bikes, come spec'd with stems far too short for the trails the majority of riders ride. I'm usually on XL's and a 50 or 60 length stem usually puts enough weight up front to stick the front tire, obviously steeper the terrain the more the short 35 stems make sense.
We’ve got a healthy debate within my group whether raising bars or changing stem length is the better way to shift a riders weight forward or back. I’m more on the “adjust stem length” side of the argument, but I can see raising or lowering the bar a legitimate move in some scenarios.
Haha there are a bunch of good bikes out right now, including the IBIS Ripmo. But at the current price discount Salt Cycles has on the SB140. I would have a hard time not going with that bike. I absolutely love it and it’s a bargain right now! Give Chris a call if you’re looking for a longer travel trail bike. 801-943-8502. I think he also has similar deals on the SB120🤷♂️
Yeah, me too.... makes me wonder what was up with my bike/fork experience.... trust me, I know how to set up a bike and I really struggled at higher speeds, particularly in corners, not feeling comfortable and confident. maybe a dozen rides over a 3 week period on trails I ride 5 days a week.....
@ no I don’t think you’re riding too far back, I think all these new bikes with super short chain stays and long reaches bias a more reward stance. So no matter how far you lean over the bars your feet are closer to the back of the bike. Creates that unweighted feeling in the front of the bike.
No cable routing for mechanical drivetrains is an absolutely asinine design choice. I wouldn’t spend my money on on one of these Stumpjumpers, and if I ever lucked into one for free I would tape some full length housing to the frame and run XT just to troll
I think Specialized blew it. The Stumpy Evo was probably the best Trailbike Specialized ever made. Engineers have a saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Why would Specialized dump the Stumpy Evo? Would the new Stumpy be better with a 160mm fork? I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are only 2 types of Trailbikes to own. The first would be the 150/160mm travel All-Mountain bike with about a 64.5 HTA. And, if you could only own one bike, this would be the bike to get. The second would be the 120/120 Downcountry bike with about a 66* HTA. I wouldn't consider any bike with travel numbers between those two bikes.
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What the…… has the world stopped turning? Jase no way you’ve chosen a Specialized over an Ibis , no way bro 😂😂!! Just kidding, looks like a blast right there dude , I still wanna see you try demo the Orbea Rise M10 ! 😂👍🏾 I think you will absolutely love it 🙌🏼
Wish they had an Rx option. My Rx Oakley's were stolen from my car a while back and it is painful to buy replacements. Some poor thief is probably wondering what sort of messed up sunglasses they ended up with.
Thanks for the honest review! That's why I watch this channel. Regarding other channels glowing about the Stumpjumper, a lot of these other reviewers depend on advertising and other revenue streams tied to the bikes they review. Hence there is a conflict of interest. It's actually pretty hard to get an honest review out there.
Lots of reviewers don't want to be critical of a bike because they want that bike company to keep sending them bikes to review. I've seen bike companies blacklist reviewers who gave one of their bikes an honest review.
To say you like Specialized tyres is the definition of honesty. The current generation are really good. They have a terrible but now underserved reputation
Jason no need to apologize for your honest review. That is why I come to your channel to watch. I feel so many other bike reviewers are biased and have to promote the bike due to sponsors. Keep up the great reviews.
I appreciate that! Thanks!
Solid review. Always good to be transparent. We appreciate it.
Thanks for your honesty. When bikes get up in the $10,000 range, it’s good to read reviews that are transparent and tell it like it is.
You bet👍🤙
Full of respect for honest review 👍🏻
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Finally, a review not masked in marketing hype! Thank you!
You're welcome and thank you
Possibly one of the most genuine and entertaining reviews I’ve seen. Still laughing… great review!
haha thank you for saying so... I've been sitting on this edit for a few weeks unsure if I should publish it... I also video's talking in front of my house with my wife filming after 3 different days of riding never being happy with what I said and feeling like I needed to give the bike another chance and more tinkering with the set up... in the end, just never felt super comfortable at high speeds on this new stumpy 15.
That description of being "hung up" is a good way to put it. I noticed this on my EVO as well. Will be plush as hell but if you hit a square edged bump it can feel like the shock doesn't move.
Bingo. I experienced the same thing on both this new stumpy 15 and the old Evo, although it felt more pronounced on this new stumpjumper….
@mtbyumyum that is more the suspension than the bike itself. Running a properly setup coil fixes that up. I have a stumpy evo. I find the same issue with the front end of my bike mostly with the grip2; air suspension has limits🤷🏽♂️
Content idea! I feel this channel is one of the most reliable and ethical resources to learn from. :)
The SB 140 has a huge price variance in builds. I think it would cool and very interesting to do a head to head against itself. base model vs. top spec. Maybe the closest to mid price as well.
Interesting. Thanks
Great review, and thank you for spending your hard earned $$$$ on the bike to give an unbiased perspective. Much appreciated.
The lighting on trail for this video was exceptional. Not sure if it was intentional on your part, but - wow, the colors were popping. I wish more reviewers would pay attention to good lighting, as it adds so much to the video quality.
Nice work - thank you.
Wow, thank you! And you're right.... I spent a lot of money on this build and will end up loosing a fair bit of money when I sell this one.... thank you to everyone who supports my channel and shops via my affiliate links below the videos.... it's honestly the only way I can keep this channel going as I have basically no support from the mountain bike manufactures like so many of the other TH-cam reviewers.... Thank you!
I really appreciate the honest review. I have the Stumpy 15 and I don’t have any of your biggest issues because of my setup. I can ride size S4 or S5 and I went with the S5 to get the longer chain stay. That makes a big difference in getting traction at the front wheel and feeling balanced on the bike. I also purchased the frame only and built it with DT Swiss wheels that are much stronger than the ones that Specialized used. I strongly believe the wheels they chose hinder the stumpy in rough terrain. Lastly, I’m using my EXT suspension that I had on my previous bike. I feel extremely confident on this bike in rough terrain and it still rips on more mellow terrain. That being said, you shouldn’t have to make all the changes I made to the bike.
Thanks for weighing in. I’m sure several people will read this and be glad you shared your experience. 👍✌️
I love it! Finally a review where you’re not absolutely gushing over a bike. I can justify giving you credibility for honest reviews! 😜 in fairness, your enthusiasm for the sport is contagious and I enjoy every review you post!
That being said, I have a 21’ stumpy evo. I ride a large and I’m probably about 35 - 40 pounds heavier than you.
I put a coil over, Mulleted Cascade link, and a 170 Zeb on my stEVO for the same reason you’re describing about the current stumpy; it just felt nervous in high speed chunk.
Now, it’s definitely more stable in the rough with loads of traction but sacrificed that poppy sporty nature you talk about. Still climbs well enough, though.
The stEVO and, by extension, the new stumpy is a great bike but definitely takes some tweaking to find that sweet spot.
Haha thanks. Sounds like you’ve got your bike dialed👍
We want the truth. Good or bad. That’s why we all watch you. Thanks for giving it to us straight.
Thank you!
Love your reviews, keep them going!
Glad you like them!
Thanks for the honest review!!! ...the reason I value your reviews is that I can trust them to be honest. I have a 2022 Specialized Stumpjumper EVO (purchased before they discounted them) and love it...glad to know it's still a great ride ;-)
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I loved my 2022 EVO as well and glad to hear it’s still working for you! Probably the best fitting bike Ive ever had. Really fun bike and not too heavy for what it is
I'm no bike reviewer and I don't get to ride every bike so I can't really compare between bikes other than the ones I have owned. I also live in a remote part of New Zealand (Wanaka) so I don't have access to test ride many different brands. I bought the Stumpy 15 without even seeing one in the flesh and TBH I love it. Maybe it's not the best bike in the world but it's certainly frickin' awesome. I'm loving it.
Last video you mentioned the Nolly glasses and I like you was wearing Smith. I bought the same set of glasses you have on in this video and LOVE THEM. they are nicer than the smith glasses and never fall down your face. THANK YOU. Also, they are a fraction of the cost.
Nice! Glad you like them and thanks for the feedback and support 🤙
@@mtbyumyum We always look out for your latest reviews Jase , yeah we agree I think it’s between the new Ripley or Ripmo , I think you just need to 1 ..set the bike up so it’s exactly how you want it to fit and feel and 2 .. more time on both bikes. I’ve had a ride on the new Ripmo and honestly I just thought “ this is the bike that I’ve been waiting for for so long “ I guess it always comes down to what you actually want to do with the bike and then just narrow it down to the smaller details 👍🏾 appreciate you , ride safe , great time to be a mountain biker for sure ✔️
That’s awesome. Good luck and thank you!
As a 200# rider who has very technical east coast trails immediate up and down these reviews could not be further from what would benefit me but I enjoy and appreciate them just the same.
I’m glad you’re enjoying the reviews, regardless👍
I’ve been highly anticipating this review! Thank you for your honesty! I was super stoked about the Stumpy 15 when it was announced but the forced mullet on the S2 size (which I am) and the forced AXS on Comp model already has me second guessing if this was my next bike. I’m glad you talked about feeling a bit unconfident at higher speeds because I value control and confidence. I’ve been stuck between this and the Switchblade and this review has solidified my choice of the Switchblade. Thank you again and keep up the great reviews!
Glad it was helpful. Also, double check sizing on the Pivot switchblade before you purchase. I’ve always felt right at home on a medium pivot bike until recently. Both the Firebird and switchblade in size medium are too big for me. In fact, I bought a size small Firebird two seasons ago and really enjoyed it, but in the end, it was a little too cramped for me. I’m sort of in between sizes now on Pivot at 5’8”
@ I was fortunate enough to be able to attend two Pivot demo days at my local bike shop these past couple years and tried medium and small in the old and updated models. Small still fits me well despite the changes in the latest generation.
Shop is building up my medium Switchblade right now! I was also eyeballing this bike and the Pivot is just so nice, I know I made the right decision!
Beautiful trails!
Thanks. Great time of year to be out riding!
I appreciate the comparisons to bikes with similar applications, and I'm glad not every review is positive. Its hard to navigate the market when everyone loves every bike.
I try to be as honest as possible in my reviews so my viewers can make an informed decision about what bike is right for them.
@@mtbyumyum And thank you for it! Your discussions of the nuanced differences between similar bikes led me to buy an Ibis mojo and I love it.
Hmm, might be crossing this one of the list, thanks for the review!
If it’s high on your list, I would still try to get a demo and see what you think. I would have a hard time recommending this bike over the Yeti SB140 or new V3 Ripmo…
@@mtbyumyum The new Ripmo sounds about perfect in that travel range.
still enjoy the insight very much tho~ love the honesty and all the personal feeling, that's what we came for yum yum ^
Haha thanks🤙
was 80% going to upgrade my stumpy evo with this bike based on what i had read about it from other "sources". your review convinced me to either sit tight with my evo or maybe look at the sentinel as my next bike.
Glad the review was helpful, the Sentinel looks interesting. I’ve been riding the Smuggler recently and it’s very good👌
"I love Specialized tires...." Tremendous. :)
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No, the whole world is not going wireless. I prefer mechanical cable shifting, you get feedback when shifting on what is going on, super reliable, and you don’t need electronics and another battery to worry about for the long term. Keep it simple. Great, honest review, thank you for keeping it real.
I completely agree. The presence of the actual shifting on my thumb is what I like. I prefer cables because I can kind of preload the tension on the cable for just the precise point I need the bike to shift. And plus the no battery thing is a no-brainer.
@@mtbyumyum Exactly! Plus, being able to jump up vto 3 gears for a punchy climb with a long throw of the lever is very useful.
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Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. I so appreciate your honest reviews. Yes most of the time the bikes you review are all amazing. This one for you was not. Like you say a great time to be a mountain biker. So many choices.
Oh by the way, I'm 62 and would not be seen dead on a Root Bear Brown bike. 😊 Short travel and Black!
Thanks. Haha that’s awesome! Always love to hear peoples age and that they still ride. Thanks!
awesome review! i think telling us what you truly believe is super important.
Thx!
Thanks Jason, always love your reviews. curious if you saw the pinkbike review of the aluminum version? also would love to see your review of the new Sentinel. 🤙🏼
Well, the bike looks awesome and so does the trail this time of year ;-)
Oh yeah! Thanks
Great review! Thank you, I know I’ll keep my EVO now. I’d be so sad if I sold the EVO to feel that way about the new bike.
Yep, and again, your mileage may vary on the new 15. For me, I’d rather be on an Evo or some other brand.
Jase I gotta be honest I’ve thought about this a bit now but it all makes sense… the bike for you is the…… RIPLEY !! 😂🎉 we’ve watched hours of your reviews and that’s the conclusion… end of story 🤣🤘🏾!!
😆😂Fair enough!
Thx for the honesty.
You're welcome. Thanks!
I'm glad I watched this because I have been trying to convince myself not to get a SJ15 frame to replace my SJ Evo frame.
Glad it was helpful! Yep, I prefered the sj evo for sure
Always appreciate your reviews. I think the challenge with these adjustable bikes is there’s just not time to test every setting. Really curious to see if you changed that HTA if you’d feel differently about the bike feeling nervous. I personally love the middle ground coming from a stumpy evo. I think the previous stumpy was too on the “pedally” side and the evo is too much for pedal days. The 15 is a good balance for most of us who don’t love the chunky stuff, moderate jumps and also want to be able to pedal all day. It’s a great ONE bike option. It is a master of none which I think we all have to remember.
Last point, I’m a techy person and LOVE that there is no hole for the cabling. Much cleaner look. That being said I understand folks feeling forced. Every bike is not for everyone and I am not sure I would’ve mad that decision for the masses. They’re attempting to keep the price of bikes up in my opinion by forcing the need for electronic shifting.
Makes me glad that I have one bike that I can keep it dialed and really get the feel of it. Having to constantly fiddle and mess with setup would be hard for me.
@Jason, I know that reviewing bikes is all about trying out as many as possible. I’m more referring to people who buy a new bike, thinking it will revolutionize their skills. I’ve ridden a variety of bikes-HT, XC, All-Mountain, Enduro, Ebike, and more. Overall, I’ve found that tires and trail conditions have a much greater impact on my ability than any specific bike’s geometry.
Bingo. Fitness and tires are the biggest factors for sure👍
do you personally know that many people who think bikes will make them better, or are you going with the odds there are many since the Earth has about 7 billion chances? @Bench_mark_113
@@Bench_mark_113I have multiple pairs of shoes because I think they will get me girls and make me better at offensive rebounding and badminton.
Thanks for the great review. Was thinking about one of these but I think I’m gonna be lazy and get an ebike 😂
Haha do it✌️
I've also noticed my Stumpy EVO getting hung-up like you mentioned. Never really felt that on my old SB130 LR or my new SB140 LR
Other than that, the Stumpy EVO is super stable and capable descending while being surprisingly good on the climbs
That's an issue with the shock.
Bingo
@@mtbyumyum any idea what it is? Just the suspension design? Feels like I’ll hit a rock and just grab or get kinda stuck on it
@@rcktmnI think it might be the suspension design. I went from a Giant Trance to a Rocky Mountain Instinct with four bar linkage and I immediately noticed it get hung up on square edges more often.
@@MrDirrrty It's not the suspension design. ITS THE SHOCK.
You can hear how different that bike moves across terrain vs a Bronson. Stumpy skipping and bumping where as you can hear how composed the Bronson sounds over the same type of terrain.
You are absolutely right, I noticed that too. It feels very different. Good eye!
Mine coming with Neo live 😈
I've heard from many that a 160mm fork seems to go well on this thing and give it a much more capable feel
I should have tried that...
Specialized bikes tend to have a higher leverage ratio on there suspension systems.
Try running less sag like 25-27% and less rebound
Set compression where you like it.
I have done this on my levo and it’s dialed!
Thanks, was running 30% sag with no bottom out and it still felt supportive when climbing🤷♂️
@@mtbyumyum If there's any volume spacers in the main air chamber (not sleeve shown on video), I'd remove those since you're not bottoming out.
Dang, yeah, like a regular shock. I didn’t even think about that.
Great review, similar to what I have felt coming from an evo to 15. Much better pedalling and better on flow trails, maybe 5% worse on chunky stuff. That being said I feel if you like tinkering I’m sure with all the options available you can make 15 feel just like the evo, it’s practically the same geo after all, bump the fork to 160 and it’s basically identical. Not a bike if you are a set it and forget it kinda guy.
Its ok not to like something man. The tires do rock. Try eliminator front and back for better rolling brother. Can you throw the switchblade in the mix of reviews?
Really, the eliminator upfront. Maybe I’ll give it a try. I love these specialized tires though! The switchblade for me doesn’t work anymore. The size medium is just too big of a bike. It feels like it’s taking me for a ride versus the other way around.
@@mtbyumyumThe switchblades are def running bigger but riding better IMO, maybe get a size small demo to review? I think the quality of the ride is as good as Yeti if not better in some situations. Try both eliminators and run the T9 up front. The corner knobs are big enough to run it hard.
I completely agree with you. I honestly think Pivot is the brand to beat right now, but their bikes no longer fit me. It’s really a bummer… the Mach 4 sl still fits me well in a medium
@@mtbyumyumi hopped in a firebird and now my propain tyee 5 feels like garbage. The quality is insane. Also good for going faster than ever, pivot and yeti are the only bikes im buying from now on
Objective and fair
Thx
Hey man. Love that you gave an honest review. Thank you!
I’ve been on a 2019 stumpy since…well…2019. Wanting to upgrade and have heard nothing but glowing reviews on the stumpy 15, which made me a little uneasy (worried about bandwagon reviews).
So here’s my question. Will you keep trying with your stumpy 15 to see if you find a setting or adjustment that works for you? I hear the new suspension tech requires some fiddling to get sorted to rider preferences.
Honestly, after three weeks, I’m pretty turned off. I set up dozens of bikes every year. I think the Bike just requires more from people who really want their bike to be dialed. I spend the time to get my suspension just ride. I know other people that I ride with, who don’t ride that often, they don’t even know how to set up their suspension and don’t really care that much. Different strokes for different folks. The bike is un rideable for me as a daily driver with the suspension where it’s at right now. Not planning on fiddling around with it anymore. A bike in this price range should be able to be set up pretty straightforward.
@ Very fair point. Thank you again for your honest opinions on it! Love what you do with your channel!
Thx🤙
Good honest review. I’ve been a bit torn on the new Stumpjumpers as well and I love Speches tires too! :-) Currently riding the previous gen Stumpy. Any chance you can do a review of the Trek Fuel EX 9.9 or 9.9? Thinking that bike might fall between the Stumpjumper and Yeti. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, I'd love to get a ride on the Fuel EX... sadly I missed the local demo day in Septemeber by a weekend... lol bummer. Maybe in the spring!
You touched on a point that has kept me from going back to any long travel Trail or aggressive XC full suspension bike. They all require some kind of dedicated bike set up to feel like you are getting full suspension benefits. They all never seem to be able to handle really fast tech descents plus do i really want to test them going “full gas” and not be able to go back to work Monday morning because I cased it? Just saying. But I really like your reviews even though I don’t think I will ever be buying a full suspension bike again.
Well thanks for watching! I also wonder who the viewers are and it's nice to hear that you're still interested even thought most of these bikes aren't your cut of tea. Thanks!
I always thought what made this bike special was the ability to make the bottom end of the shock really soft, with support at the end of stroke. I wonder what would happen to the understeer and bump compliance if you got the shock set up softer, where it would use all travel. I haven't ridden this bike, so I have no idea!
Yeah, interesting. My experience with Specialized 4 bar horst link "fsr" is I've had to sort of walk a fine line on bike set up.... enough psi (think not too much sag) so the bike pedals well but not too much psi where the bike doesn't have traction and doesn't get through it's travel.
Good review. I know changing out the handlebars and wheels on every review to ENVE makes the reviews even. But any chance keeping with the original equipment especially on this new Stumpjumper would possibly come up with different results?
Honestly, having my own bar and stem on there makes such a big difference. I think it’s the best way to go. That said, I should’ve ran a slightly longer stem on this one.
The slack HTA with a fairly short reach and shorter chainstays... They tried to blend 2 bikes into 1 and this the result. Spesh cut back on R&D, except the Genie is them going back to proprietary stuff-- "innovate or die."
Yeah, I’ve read a number of comments now saying people feel like this bike is more Enduro or a bigger bike than the previous stumpjumper Evo. That was not my experience at all. Like you said, I feel like this new stumpjumper 15 is a blend of the two previous stump jumpers. I would definitely prefer being on the Evo in janky, gnarly terrain… the new stumpjumper 15 definitely feels very smooth over chattery sections of trail though. I think the genie does great until it doesn’t.🤷♂️
@@mtbyumyum It is a pretty standard eye to eye shock mount length, if one wanted to change it... but why pay for the expensive shock in the first place?
They will offer cable shifting and different suspension platforms when the alloy version is released. It took about 2 years for Spesh to release the Alloy Evo. I think they will be quicker for the Stumpy 15, bc I don't think they are selling. Mandatory e-shifting turns a lot of people off.
Great review, as always! I'm in SoCal, so we ride somewhat similar terrain. If you had to choose one do-it-all bike between Stumpy 15 and new Ripmo, which would you choose and why, please?
If sticking with 29er, I’d go with the Yeti SB140 LR. The new Ripmo V3 is a very close second. I have a video coming out in two weeks about both those bikes. Also, Salt Cycles has the Yeti up to 35% off right now. 801-943-8502 Hard to beat that pricing!
Thanks so much for your quick response and for your honest and comprehensive reviews.
Do you still prefer xtr drive chain? Vs axs🤔
100%
give up the shimano thing. Sram is just in another level of smoothness haha. Nice video!
Try a longer stem
Great honest review I've missed your channel was gona buy the old stumpjumper pro what's your take on the Trek fuel ex 9.8 seen 1 in the sale? 🤔
Ever thought about sizing down further?
Great review if you have the older model why upgrade if the bike isn't any better,was it just me or was there a porthole on the righthand side of the headtube with what looked like a rubber bung ,anyway yep mechanical shifting for me as well
That port is for a dropper post. There is no routing to the rear of the bike. It has the rubber plug in it because I’m running an axs dropper
Oh ok ,is that going to be the next thing no cable routing at all on high end frames
🤷♂️ I hope not
Thanks for the review, an honest one.. Any chance of reviewing the Revel Rail now that it is comes with a 170mm fork compared to 160 in the past.
Probably not. I didn’t love my time on that bike and I had it for like a month. It just felt like a squishy balloon. I wouldn’t mind trying the rascal out again though…..
Good to hear your perspective... I've had too many stumpys to list, including the stEvo, my19 650b, my21 flex stays 29er and more, with several different shocks on each.
I honestly think you need to play with the shock, something is not right. It is night and day difference between the stEvo and stumpy15/genie, with the later feeling like a much bigger bike.
Did u play with the bands? Verify 30% / 16.5mm sat in the back and 20%/30mm up front?
Has that fork been on anything else? Not a fan of fox, too many quality control issues.
It is crazy composed setup that I do think is likely most attributed to the shock and the lower BB.
Yes, I’ve ridden it maybe five or six times with one volume spacer in the genie shock and then four or five more rides with two volume spacers in the shock. I honestly just feel like I couldn’t get my handlebars low enough or get my weight out in front of the bike enough.
@mtbyumyum what size were u on? I did grab a 45mm stem vs my typical 35mm, I also sized down to an s3 vs s4 typically as I wanted something more playful and good on steep faces larger jumps. I've got a big bike too. I settled on one spacer for mid stroke and the larger green spacer for end stroke support and about 170psi. Those playing with the spacers be warned, shock will feel terrible until u cycle it completely a few times, go do some good bunny hops. If u are riding flow and no chunk, two volume spacers, feels most similar to stEvo... Luv the transformative feeling with huge volume and one though. U will sit deeper, more often, into the stroke though so some 160-165mm cranks suggested.
Thanks for the review!!
Quick question:
So do you still have Specialized Stumpjumper Sworks? Is new 15 a lot more sluggish than 2022 Sworks in flowy trail?
How are you liking the Revel Ranger still?
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@@mtbyumyum Dang almost got one!
Thanks, makes me feel good not being able to afford an upgrade from Evo.
The evo is👌
What’s your one bike pick for southern Utah riding? Smuggler or something else?
Yeah, Smuggler could probably work. Been enjoying that bike over the past few weeks. SB140 would also be a good choice
Nice review!
What is your personal bike?
Right now I have a Revel Ranger, Yeti SB140 LR and Ibis Ripmo V3 set up mx
@@mtbyumyum awesome, thanks! In your opinion, I like to do a lot of climbing when I ride but would like something somewhat capable downhill. What is the best climbing bike? Something in the short travel category. I used to ride the Ripley V4 and regret selling that.
The sb120 is actually pretty similar to the old v4 Ripley in how it feels on the trail but slightly better descending. Little heavier but a lot of fun and on crazy discount right now at Salt Cycles. 801-943-8502
I just think you need to work on the tuning of the suspension to balance. I’ve watched a lot of other reviews on this bike and some people said if you’re running it more soft in the rear then the front should be ran with 160mm to match. Also heard the new grip x2 damper is a bit more firm than the outgoing grip2. Sucks it didn’t jive with you.
Sounds like a bad bike for the money then. Its funny how people have to come up with solutions to problems which shouldnt exist. Also specialized is a very mid manufacturer with a cult following, no bang for buck
Interesting... thanks for the tip, I'll have to experiment with that
Would love to see you review the new revel rascal v2.
Yeah, me too... very interested in spending time on that bike
I tried one of those last weekend. Not enough time to form a reliable opinion on it. It was a pretty bike and seemed to ride pretty well.
@@mtbyumyum make it so! - star trek
@@mtbyumyum make it super light with the yum yum wheels...i think its gonna be it! the one!!! with a pike ultimate 3.1 to match the rear end!
You could be right… maybe I’ll do it.. gonna get killed on resale tho😬
Have you tried a 40 or 50mm stem on it? Might help get the weight forward and help that weird front end feeling.
You know, I never tried the longer stem. I probably should’ve🤦🏻♂️
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I had a 70 on my old Stumpy Evo😮
is that compare to ripmo
You ever mess around with ShockWiz? I just borrowed one and pretty cool to mess with.
Yeah, years ago... honestly, I rarely ever run into problems setting up a bike (I set up a new bike almost every week for the past 7 years!) and once I get it dial in it's good for that trail system... only ever need to make adjustments when going to different riding locations really.
What casing do you run for those specialized tires on the sb140?
Grid trail t9 and t7 out back
maybe a coil shock wtih HBO and progressive spring
Maybe swap your fork for one of the other fox forks you have on another bike and see if it’s something to do with that particular fork.
Yeah, I took all the air out of this fork to make sure there was no negative air pressure. The fork is fine. I even stopped by Salt Cycles, my local bike shop and had a mechanic look at it to make sure that wasn’t the problem. I think the front end just lacked confidence for me on this thing.
Thanks for your honest review. I am curious, having rode this bike for 3+ weeks. Did you play around with the 6 geo settings to see if there is one that suits your riding style and trails. I find it hard to understand this bike to be sketchy on the rough stuff then it is designed for it. Moreover, Charles Murray raced it in this year's UCI races. I wonder how the genie rear shock should be tuned. You are not the first to struggle with the tokens in the external chamber. Lastly, are you sporting the Grip 2 or X2 Fox 36?
X2 36 as far as the different settings go with the chain stay length and hta... They are similar, if not identical to the previous stumpjumper Evo that I owned last year. I messed around with every single setting and always came back to the neutral setting or the steepest hta setting. So I knew I didn’t have to mess with much
@@mtbyumyum so I reckon SJ 15 is just not right for you.
Would you feel comfortable riding long distances daily on it? I can’t get a second bike but need a bike that can handle rough roads and trails but can also be used for epic rides. Thanks
If I could only own one bike at a time, it probably wouldn’t be this category bike. Id probably go with something a little bit less travel and more efficient. Then again, I don’t know your day-to-day rides, riding style or speed and terrain. Something like the Pivot Trail 429 comes to mind tho.
@@mtbyumyum thanks for replying that helps me a lot with my decision.
I’ve also been riding the transition smuggler the last couple weeks. I’ve been very surprised at how much I like it. It’s not too heavy either.
Which bike would you recomend to me if normally I ride trail-enduro but 2 or 3 times a year I race xc? Also I pedal a lot to get to ride down on my rides
It’s not for everyone. I really love this bike. We have opposite riding terrain and styles. Chunk all but disappears ob this bike for me. The short chain stays make it a schralping machine. I have met many people that don’t like it though. And it was way harder to set up to a magic zone than an ibis or even a regular 4 bar.
Yeah, I’m really hoping I just couldn’t get this thing figured out and it was a set up problem. Like I said, I rode it for three weeks and have about a dozen rides on it. It just never clicked for me. Did you ever get a chance to ride the new Ripmo? That rear end is buttery smooth. Feels more like a Santa Cruz bike now than a DW link IBIS.
@ Even “dialed” it’s a weird shock. It’s designed to give up more rear wheel travel easier than similar travel bikes without genie, at least in that first two thirds of shock travel. Specialized also claims that the rear wheel moves as much as their 170 travel enduro on small to medium hits. Because it’s so eager to give up travel but it’s still limited to 140mm, I found that I reached an inconsistent ramp zone where the super linear feel of the shock hits a wall and gets more unpredictable than what I’m used to with most bikes. My” cure” for this was simply to run more pressure in the shock and run the extra tokens. With that it feels so much more like the stumpy Evo only better bottom out by far and better climbing.
This set up has absolutely worked well for me and the bike is now predictable, pretty amazing traction for a lower mid travel bike, and excellent bottom out support. All that being said I can from a 22 Bronson which still is my favorite trail bike ever. I also have a hard time recommending this bike to a more aggressive rider because it’s a bit weird and certainly complicated. I don’t even know if what I feel would be replicated for other risers(although clearly not in some cases).
I have not gotten to ride the new Ripley or new Ripmo but I was a big fan of both bikes last generations. I’m also not sure I would buy a stumpy 15 over the newer bikes like the new Bronson or Ripmo either. I got the stumpy 15 about a month before the new ripmo dropped. All I know is the clock doesn’t lie and I’m definitely moving fast down hill on this stumpy. Also it jumps like no other stumpjumper as prior generations always have a compromise where I feel like I would get to pick traction or bottom out, sometimes not good either of those…
Unfortunately sciatica has been keeping off the bike so I have been living through reviews and videos for a few weeks now so thank you for the great content as always!
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You have a right to dislike a bike. Thanks.
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How would you compare it to the Trance X?
What kind of helmet is that that works with the glasses?
Giro Manifest Helmet: alnk.to/dAmP5mu
Put on a Float X in the back and you will get a much better experience up and down
Seriously?? After all this hype around the Genie?
@@mtbyumyum sometimes the simple solution is the bestest. kakakakakaak
No way I'm giving up my Evo Pro for the 15. I didn't even buy the previous Stumpjumper. I'm thinking about buying another frame for a backup or maybe a size smaller build
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I have to say, I'm having the opposite experience from yours. Bike feels so much more capable than the travel suggests. However I also have mine spec'd with a 160 ZEB currently. And I think the 160mm fork makes the bike much better. I'm typically a RockShox guy, but giving the Genie a chance and it's holding its own so far after a couple of months. Overall pretty impressed with this bike as a do it all weapon with lot's of adjustment. Like it better than the Yeti SB140LR I rode last year. Thanks for the content, great channel.
Glad you’re having success on the new stumpy. Yeah, the genie shock feels super smooth over chattery sections of trail. On the bigger chunkier sections of Trail it felt like it was getting hung up on everything. Double checked air pressure and sag was spot on. Also, no bottom out.🤷♂️
Super short stem and short chain stays are gonna feel a little sketchy compared to the Ripmo and SB140. Not sold on the shock on this one here but I think your setup on this was not ideal
Yeah, you’re probably right. In hindsight, I wish I would’ve swapped out the stem before I publish this review….
Thanks for the honest review. I kind of felt the same way when I bought the new epic Evo, it was a great bike, but I could never get the suspension settings just right
What model do you ride?
I struggled with my Epic 8 EVO at first as well, but now it feels pretty dialed. The biggest improvement for me was lowering the bars (removing a spacer form below the stem). The next best improvement cam from increasing the size of the volume spacer in the rear shock. With these changes, it's easier to weight the front wheel and now it corners great.
Yeah, the new epic evo was a tough one for me. Honestly, I wish I still had the old stumpjumper single pivot frame. I’d love to try that bike with a new fox float shock instead of the DPS shock that came on it.
@@IIISentorIII Epic Evo 8 pro
@@andyfedewa710 definitely had to increase the volume spacer in the rear, my biggest complaint is the small bump compliance and overall how harsh the bike was
Hey Jason, fantastic review your honesty is the best! Specialized take note. The man is the everyday mountain biker. I don’t know what to say. I’m sure it’s OK but I don’t know what to say. Great review Jason keep up the good work.
Thank you for the kind words and support!
Is it possible your front wheel traction was lacking because the fork wasn’t tuned the way Specialized factory tunes their complete Stumpy 15 bikes?
I asked the guys at the local specialized shop and they didn’t think that had anything to do with it.🤷♂️
I have the same bike and had the same issues at the beginning. I love to ride jackobes ladder and trails of higher speeds and difficulty, and finally found what works for me! I’ve been on a lot of yetis and the evo, and this bike far outperforms it on everything! Try the biggest volume spacer is the positive air chamber, and back to one in the negative. Run 5-7 psi lower than you are now, and 2 clicks faster if rebound. It will feel so much better on the higher speed stuff, and for the flow trails just turn the compression dial to the 2 or 3 marker. Another big thing was matching the fork feel to the rear. I have the lyric with the 3.1 in a 160 also with my bars mounted low. This setup feels insane! Hope you try out that rear shock setup!
Wow, OK. I didn’t even think about messing with the volume spacer in the other air chamber. Didn’t even know that was a thing. I guess there’s just a lot of tinkering with this new fox genie shock. That’s probably more than what I’m looking for in a bike. I kinda like the set it and forget it approach. That has worked well for me on my Ibis Bikes….
@@mtbyumyum I think that’s a big reason a lot of the initial reviews raved about this bike. A lot of them had specialized engineers with them to help tune the shock. Definitely wasn’t straight forward. Understanding the air chambers helped me a lot.
Interesting. Ok. Thanks for the clarity.
My opinion, all these mid-travel trail bikes, even some of the all-mtn bikes, come spec'd with stems far too short for the trails the majority of riders ride. I'm usually on XL's and a 50 or 60 length stem usually puts enough weight up front to stick the front tire, obviously steeper the terrain the more the short 35 stems make sense.
UGG, I think you’re right. I probably should’ve tried this thing with a slightly longer stem before publishing this review.
We’ve got a healthy debate within my group whether raising bars or changing stem length is the better way to shift a riders weight forward or back. I’m more on the “adjust stem length” side of the argument, but I can see raising or lowering the bar a legitimate move in some scenarios.
No mechancal shifting option is a big no bueno for me.
Same
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So what you’re saying is…buy the SB140
Haha there are a bunch of good bikes out right now, including the IBIS Ripmo. But at the current price discount Salt Cycles has on the SB140. I would have a hard time not going with that bike. I absolutely love it and it’s a bargain right now! Give Chris a call if you’re looking for a longer travel trail bike. 801-943-8502. I think he also has similar deals on the SB120🤷♂️
You are the first person I have seen not love this bike.
Yeah, me too.... makes me wonder what was up with my bike/fork experience.... trust me, I know how to set up a bike and I really struggled at higher speeds, particularly in corners, not feeling comfortable and confident. maybe a dozen rides over a 3 week period on trails I ride 5 days a week.....
@mtbyumyum that's how it goes. The feel of a bike varies from person to person. Keep up the good work!
Longer stem, your stem looks super short. Even a 50mm would help shift your weight forward.
Yeah, not sure why I never swapped stems... That’s stupid of me. The stem I was using is 35mm
Slack head and short chain stays give you that wandering corner feeling. Weight is too far back.
Are you saying my riding position, weight is too far back?
@ no I don’t think you’re riding too far back, I think all these new bikes with super short chain stays and long reaches bias a more reward stance. So no matter how far you lean over the bars your feet are closer to the back of the bike. Creates that unweighted feeling in the front of the bike.
Ah, I see. Interesting. Thanks
It won’t perform like a boutique brand. Specialized is more for the general population.
That’s entered my mine as well.
No cable routing for mechanical drivetrains is an absolutely asinine design choice. I wouldn’t spend my money on on one of these Stumpjumpers, and if I ever lucked into one for free I would tape some full length housing to the frame and run XT just to troll
Haha that’s awesome!
Saved me a big $10 Grand
😆😂 you’re welcome
I think Specialized blew it. The Stumpy Evo was probably the best Trailbike Specialized ever made. Engineers have a saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Why would Specialized dump the Stumpy Evo? Would the new Stumpy be better with a 160mm fork?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are only 2 types of Trailbikes to own. The first would be the 150/160mm travel All-Mountain bike with about a 64.5 HTA. And, if you could only own one bike, this would be the bike to get. The second would be the 120/120 Downcountry bike with about a 66* HTA. I wouldn't consider any bike with travel numbers between those two bikes.
Yeah, you're not wrong. I really liked the old sj evo
Yup and even that is mid lmao. People just want the brand they know
Also they dont make it anymore because it did many things too well. They want to sell you a stumpy and an enduro. Its just business
My 2022 SWorks 140/130 Stumpy and 180/170 Enduro with Flight Attendant are my ideal quiver
@@jsr36 agree with the first 160/150 64.5 29er, the second could be 5010 v4 140/130 27.5