It's time to come clean about this! (Rant alert!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ค. 2024
- Tonight we're discussing a controversial subject regarding the current music industry and the Eagles!
TIME STAMPS -
0:00 Intro
2:47 Auto-tuned Vocal
4:44 Actual Live Vocal
8:25 My Issue with Auto-Tune
10:55 The Point
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This is an outrage as they are desecrating Randy's legacy. Thank you for calling it out.
They know no better.
@@IMeMineWho
in a gross understatement, precisely.
yes.
You beat me to it. I wonder who decided on this travesty? It's effin disgusting....
It is outrageous. I want to cry that "technology" is destroying natural authentic talent. 😢
Who cares. It never happens to music that's actually cool. Just stuff like this that you've heard so goddam many times before that you never need or want to hear it again.
Adult contemporary lite rock was always destined to become this. They just made it even more palatable for the audience it was intended for all along.
Background music for doctor's offices.
Every record destroyed or falsified
Every book rewritten
Every picture repainted
Every statue, street & building renamed
Every date altered
Continuous day by day minute by minute. History stopped. There’s nothing but a present with the Party being always right.
-G. Orwell, 1984
I was just thinking of this! Funny/frightening how that old book is so prescient!
Kali yuga..the Bhavagita!
Indeed
Amen to that… they really are literally rewriting history and erasing much of it.
Chills.
As someone who saw Eagles live on several occasions in the 1970s, I assure you, there was not one member of the group or the group in full harmony whose voice(s) needed to be auto tuned or pitch corrected.
They were one of the few bands that played and sang with the same precision live as they did in the studio. Thank goodness I have hundreds of the original vinyl albums as they were recorded back then.
Hell Freezes Over was the best rock live album that came out of the 90s, and I was surprised that everyone on the band could sing, even the bassist Timothy was lead vocals for Love Will Keep Us Alive
I’m not a musician, and I can’t carry a tune, but I can identify auto tune and pitch corrected music right away; it makes me irritable. I don’t see the point of listening to it. I want to hear REAL music, even if it’s flawed a little.
I’m so glad you’re making these videos.
If i'm in the mood for some Daft Punk or something electronic, i'm totally fine with it. But for jazz, classic rock, and anything released prior to pitch correction technology, then i'm also a purist.
Music publishers should somehow be required to re-label re-releases as having been autotuned.
It is the producers that are the culprits.
I really think copyright law ought to be amended to outlaw autotuned versions and these dreadful "re-mastered" versions of recordings without the express written consent of the copyright holders or their heirs.
it's always about Label $$ just mark it "REMASTERED" Kaa-Chingggg!!
Every re master I’ve listened to sounded like shot compared to the original. I hope people don’t buy re-masters so this lunacy stops.
I shy away from the so-called "remastered" ones. They display that like it's a huge plus. I preferred the old masters, I'm still very choosy about who I get to master a session.
At 68 years old, I am so thankful that I have kept my collection of original albums from the 60s and 70s. I get to hear all the greats as they sang perfectly back then without being messed with.
Original Nat King Cole - "Unforgettable"
Pitch corrected NKC - "Forgettable".
I am heartbroken every time I think about the wonderful collection of albums I sold in the mid-90s.
@@imlistening1137 I'm so sad for you. So hard to replace nowadays. 😪
Still have my collection but nothing on which to play them, sadly.
Unforgivable!@@MrVvulf
Fil, I so agree! They are greats because of their natural voices! It's like painting over gold! 👍💖💙🥰✌
This is why ive ALWAYS bought physical media. I can always go back and listen to an original performance, watch an uncensored movie, and enjoy it.
People called me crazy when i didnt abandon my hard copies in the wake of the digital streaming era.
Theyre learning fast that i was right.
Again...
Absolutely the truth. And the frightening part of this is that with digital you might never even realize that the music you are hearing or the book you are reading is not the original version. And so reality is changed and people are manipulated without knowing it.
I’m with you Fil. Auto-tuning of original music must die. We are humans, not machines.
Auto tune does take the life out of it, doesn't it? Boo!
Everything is fake af nowadays, zero talent, I prefer the genuine version any day
At the moment. That's not what Klaus and Yuval have planned for humanity long term. Remember what Yuval said, "Man is a hackable animal."
@@taniacummings9207 And so are his vocals.
@@taniacummings9207 But seriously...standby for the great culling of humanity as those 2 (and those that are under their spell) weed out the herd.
I'm a singer and I mind it. I can't stand auto tunne or pitch correction. I produce my own music. Randy had a perfect voice. They flattened his voice out. Auto tune kills a singer style to me.
If they tried to auto tune Joe Walsh the machine would self destruct. I do love Joe's vocals though
It takes all the personal touches out of the song. It’s not good at all.
No voice like Randy's.
Thanks for doing this series. I wasn't aware this was being done to older, and classic recordings. A real shame and a sadness that one might never again hear what the originals sounded like.
The more I listen to music from the 70s, the more I am convinced that there was no better decade in the history of music.
You need to listen to more 60s music. It has the greatest music of all time.
@@JohnDavis-xk5fi You need to listen to more 50s music 😀
@alanbenatar1120 I've heard plenty of endlessly banal and boring 50s music. As George Harrison said, "The Beatles saved the world from boredom."
@@JohnDavis-xk5fi Nah, the '70s were better. You had all the genres from the '60s plus a ton of new developing genres. The '70s simultaneously had folk, early heavy metal, classic rock, prog rock, soul, funk, R&B, early punk, psychedelia, disco, etc. The '60s paved the way for it, but the '70s were the time period when you truly had the most complex and ambitious popular music ever made. Think about having a song like "Sir Duke" getting airplay at the same time as the music of Rush, Black Sabbath, and Pink Floyd.
@rome8180 If someone was to twist my arm way up behind my back , I would be forced to agree with you . 100% . No matter which genre of music one likes , the 70's were a MONSTER decade . Practically the entire catalogs of the original Sabbath , Led Zeppelin , Yes , the best Pink Floyd stuff . The Eagles .
However I would be loath to lose the 60's , with all The Who , Stones , Hendrix , and The Beatles , CSN+Y, and even the POP music was , in the main , damn good . And what about those 90's , huh ? Little band I think is great , name of Tool , emerged . Doubtless there is at least some good stuff in every decade....but we were talking QUANTITY AND QUALITY , so I think the 70s , then 60's , rule .
.........70s also had all the best ZZ Top , Deep Purple , Foghat , Kiss , AND The Who , The Stones , the Kinks , etc , etc , so on and so forth .
Cheers !
Unbelievable. Randy Meisner was, without a doubt was the most talented vocalist in the band. Even when he wasn't singing lead, his voice was all over each recording in the harmony and backing vocals. His voice unaltered was the voice that made me an Eagles fan, first time I heard Take It To The Limit on the radio. It wasn't Henley or Frey that got my attention. To auto tune or pitch correct Randy is an insult. This kind of thing should not be allowed.
Preach. It is unbelievable. Sadly, like others, I believe we're rapidly falling toward a world where the real thing is often going to get veiled, mutilated, or even erased from existence by simulations and digital makeovers. Not just music, but all the visual and literary related arts as well. And an increasingly bigger part of the population will applaud while its done.
I think Henley had the best voice (just my opinion though)
The Eagles had a very skilled ensemble of musicians who were extremely talented singers.This seems a desecration of their abilities to coalesce as a harmony group.
Absurd application of technology where it wasn't needed.
It degrades, not improves the sound.
Good onya Fil for this analysis!
Exactly. Can’t wait to hear the auto tuned version of the a cappella ‘Seven Bridges Road!’ 🙄
Absolutely!
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Randy did not need auto-tune. I would rather hear original and unedited. Long time Eagles fan. Favorite is early work while Randy was in the group.
Okay. New sub here. I’ve often wondered why my memory of performances are completely different than “remastered” versions. It’s almost like musical gaslighting, imo! Thank you from the US! 💜
This is actually very upsetting to me. I grew up with classic rock & had a lot of records. And I remember watching live performances. I remember how all these great artists sounded. They all could sing & had unique sounding voices. To change that original experience is criminal!
I'm just starting off and wondering if I should even watch the whole thing because I know it will make me angry and sad. I feel exactly like you do. I remember it was only about 15 or so years ago that I even learned about all the digital fakery that goes on with music, especially vocals. It messed me up. I started to wonder if I had been lied to my entire life and that NO ONE actually could sing as well as I thought. I love music. I'm an amateur singer. Church, I've done a few weddings for friends. That sort of thing. The only thing that saved my sanity during this time is that, being on the worship team of my church, I have personally known people who had beautiful voices. The real thing. No tricks. I had to keep telling myself, no, people CAN actually sing on key. You've seen / heard them in real life!
I know that sounds extreme. But, again, as someone who loves music, has done some singing, and went to voice class for years (until Covid took that away), the thought of never knowing if something is real or fake fills me with a panicky feeling.
I agree. It IS criminal!
Randy's voice is like a violin or cello. You often hit the note slightly sharp or flat just for a microsecond but then vibrato it into tune. And this adds character and uniqueness. It engages because in all those corrections you get the personality of the player as well as the randomness of the universe. Folk singing and jazz has been all about this for years. Even opera does it to an extent.
I have always loved going to TH-cam to watch Randy sing at that concert. Just look at the reaction from the band members! No words...
In my younger days, we referred to a TV commercial “Is it live or is it Memorex?” when people faked music, lip syncing at the time. I want to see up front disclaimers or warnings on auto tuned and pitch corrected music. It should be illegal, some form of false advertising or misrepresentation. At the very least it’s unethical.
Unfortunately we are slowly slipping into an artificial world and I’m disgusted by this. Thank you Fil for all of your content-as a fellow lifelong musician I appreciate you.
Don't buy these records then. Easy solution for you.
Imperfection is a good thing! Younger generations won’t even understand that. Live performances were more personal back in the 70’s era. When a live performance was close to pitch perfect, we genuinely appreciated just how rare, difficult that was to achieve and how special it was.
The problem is they took something perfect and have now made it imperfect.
Right. No need to learn how to be a good singer anymore. Just press a button on a drum machine and find some words that rhyme.
I see your comment about live performances being more personal….may I interject…consider also the visual aspect…concerts in 1990s and later, have large screens…people tend to focus on the screen over looking at the performance taking place on the stage…I’ve done that and after the concert, I felt I cheated myself in missing the musicians on stage..
I'd call it 'humanity' rather than imperfection. The colour, the aliveness, is an essential thing, not to be removed!
Imagine putting the Mona Lisa through a TikTok filter to give her bright skin tone and huge eyes, with big red lips.... it would completely ruin the essence of it.
That's precisely what these nitwits are doing to music.
Good rant, Fil. I wasn’t aware they were going back and ruining these older songs. Pitiful.
I grew up in the 70s and just had this exact conversation with my wife a few days ago. We are starting to notice many re-released songs we hear that we love being altered, ruining the human element that gave these great songs the ability to let the listener feel the emotions and groove that apealed to us.
As a musician who appreciates being able to record digitally with a lower noise floor, and the ability to edit my music much easier than it was in the days using tape, I believe too much attention is being focused on the technology rather than the music.
You're right Fil we're going to lose all the original live music forever. It sounds terrible. Thank you for all you do for music and the truth.
Quick. Everybody go out and buy up the old vinyls! SAVE THE MUSIC! Or stop purchasing and listening to altered music.
@@Bookhart2 If I wasn't so freaking broke, I'd do exactly this.
Amen to being broke. Thank you Joe Biden!!!
What live performance was this from? I mean The auto tune version so i wont listen to that one
It’s horrific. It would be like changing Mona Lisa’s iconic smile to a grin. Thank you Fil for bringing attention to this.
I always thought her smile was lacking teeth.
Right! I think her smile needs some tweaking, nobody will notice or care. Great comparison
OmG. They're killing the music I grew up with.
The fact which you point to... it didn't need pitch correction! The vocal was already spectacular. All they did was squash the humanity out of the performance.
I do appreciate you bringing this to the attention of music listeners. If left unchecked, the world will eventually not even know what real vocals sound like, and by extension, we won't appreciate those who can sing really well on their own.
That is a sad thought.
I agree with you 100%. Don't destroy our music. Let it be!
I am disgusted. What are they thinking? Not a cent from me supporting this BS. They already did it right! This totally pissed me off!
Same!!!
I'm 100% with you on this. By making it "perfect" they ruin it. It really is a travesty. Rather depressing. I love the work you do on your channel. Thank you.
I would say it was perfect before they messed it up...
Auto-tune is a travesty. The original voices are beautiful. If this can't be stopped, can there at least a large type that identifies any song as auto-tuned or original? Randy's voice was one of my all time favorites because he sang the emotions. I used to love the Eagles, but after what they did to Randy, and now this bs, I am livid. I can't even listen to the Eagle and will never buy another Eagles recording. Right now, since Randy's death, I'm only listening to pre- post-Eagle Randy songs, which I assume are not auto-tuned.
Thank you for Randy's "Take it to the Limit" analysis (so I can hear him) and for your integrity and your "rants."
I had a thing for the band Within Temptation some 20 years ago. I first heard "Ice Queen" and i really liked it. Then they did a cover version of "Running up that hill"
I got my hands on the single and there was a live track. It featured heavily detuned guitars and a vocalist out of her breath. You know, something you'd hear from a band that was performing for two hours and is hitting their limits. And i loved it more than any radio edit. It was raw, it sounded exhausted, the opposite of clean and tidy. It was messy and so human.
Autotune is nothing short of taking humanity out of the equation. Emotions have to be automated. Humanity needs to be optimized. Brave new world.
Thank you for highlighting this, Fil. Just dreadful.I hate that 70’s music is being auto tuned. It’s no longer ‘ real’. We are going to lose original live music for ever and it is terrible. I am disgusted at such stupidity.
It's not stupidity. It's evil.
What’s really crazy is that Randy Meisner could hit those notes live. I saw the Eagles in 1977 in Los Angeles and he did just that. Further more, I’m of the opinion that auto tune removes the soul, the humaneness from any track it’s applied to. It’s like having an Art Director grab his brushes to touch up the Mona, Lisa, for God’s sake!
The so-called little flaws are what make a song great art.
He had extreme stage fright before singing that song as he was so afraid of not hitting the note.
It’s those slight variations and vibrato around the note that give character and soul to it and ‘chills’ to the listener.
Yes, to me it's like taking a van gogh and grinding down all his brush strokes to make sure none go above 2 mm from the canvas -
you know, so they're 'correct'.
yes, I saw them in Miami in 1977 and they were wonderful. All of them, spot on.
We may have been at the same concert in Los Angeles. I saw the Eagles there in the late 1970s. It was just when they released "Hotel California".
I am so glad I've kept all of the Eagles on vinyl for all these years.
I discovered your videos last week when you analyzed "Take It To The Limit." (Confession - I cried when I heard Randy's isolated vocals). I was not aware of the difference beween raw, unedited audio and autotuned content - thank you for the tutorial. Too young to have seen the Eagles live....am now on the hunt for vintage casettes and records!
This makes me so sad. Freddie autotuned/pitch corrected? Who is next? Prince? Michael Jackson? Whitney Houston? Aretha?!? All beautiful voices that don't need any "help."
They better do Celine Dion and Barbara Strisand and Steve Perry the whole world knows they cant sing. Right? WTF!
Tbh disappointed that Brian and Roger allow it to happen :(
@@g.garcia7151 My father saw Ella in Berlin twice (she visited quite a few times in the 1960s). I can't imagine how pissed off he'd be if I told him they might "pitch correct" her.
He also sang in his HS choir with Johnny Mathis. Maybe "Misty" or "Chances Are" will be autotuned too...
@@g.garcia7151 My father had all the talent in our family. He also spoke 9 languages, and was a cryptanalyst with the NSA which is why he was stationed at Teufelsberg in Berlin for most of the 1960s.
@@g.garcia7151 He's still hanging around, in his late 80s now, and his mind is going. He can't be allowed to drive alone because he gets lost. He makes anti-Trump posts on FB which get boring, but he also posts a lot of Calvin & Hobbes cartoons, so there's an upside. He's had a good life and we'll continue to enjoy his company until he shuffles off his mortal coil.
As a photographer, this process would an equivalent of pulling out all of the Ansel Adams negatives and processing them in Photoshop to sharpen up the edges. We need to have a warning label on the album covers. As a record collector, this is why I prefer first presses. I appreciate you getting this out to us.
Ansel did adjust his photos through burning and dodging in the darkroom
It’s such a shame they can’t leave well enough alone. Thank you for trying to keep the great music of my generation pure. My thought process, if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it! Period.
I've seen them 3 times and they never disappoint. Glen sang Take It To The Limit the first two times I saw them, Vince Gill on the last tour. Both do a decent job, but no one can touch Randy. They can't hit the high note on the outro.
The Eagles were hardcore perfectionists. Especially when it came to vocals and harmonies. The original vocals sounded great to me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Don Henley and Glenn Frey were the perfectionists. They would explode at Joe Walsh and especially at Don Felder if he deviated from the "studio arrangement" even ONE NOTE on a song when playing live. They were absolute control freaks, where the others wanted to play it looser and change it up for the "live" experience for the audience. To me, a note-for-note live performance is stale and boring..... we already have the records.
Exactly! 👍
@@broeheemed32Interesting. I wonder what that would translate into today. There are some bands that pride themselves on being tight, and even wanting to reproduce the studio sound live by (for example) using fractals instead of mic'd amps, as Metallica does. However, within that, Kirk Hammett loves to improvise when he plays guitar live.
Its rock music, not a science experiment, its not supposed to be “perfect”. The imperfections make it great.
Facts!
They actually did it backwards, didn’t they?
Great vocals like Randy’s, and Freddie Mercury never needs auto-tuning or pitch corrections.
Auto-tune, and pitch correction needs THEM!
I hate that people destroy perfections! Terrible!
What in the world are they thinking?? If it’s not broken, don’t fix it!
Thanks for sharing this with us, Fil.
Real talent! Priceless, just like Randy!!!! God given talent.
So glad I have kept all our original LP’s. Love original versions always.
Holy crap, this is ridiculously frightening...i have perfect pitch and I can't fathom the auto tune platform. But this is very scary. Damn it. What were once nuances that were slightly flat or sharp gave it the "human element" that we archive and celebrate. Thank you loads for bringing the "cockroach" into the light. Love the channel and always have. Cheers!
I had no idea live vocals were getting auto tuned, especially old songs. It’s just absurd. Who actually likes that??? Thanks for bringing it to everyone’s attention Fil. You have a great channel.
Thank you for this truth....he has raw,, God given talent, as do many others, and does not require auto tuning. I saw the Eagles in 1977 and it was one of the best shows I've ever seen!
Thank you SO much for this video. As a singer, I appreciate great singers who can play with pitch in order to achieve an effect. I WANT to hear that. For example, Bruce Springsteen sometimes starts a little flat and bends up to the 'correct" note which can impart a world weary or wistful feeling for the listener. Also, screwing around with a performance can completely erase vibrato s as a stylistic tool. Where would we be without Barry Gibb's Vibrato in Bee Gees' performances? There is room in music for slight modulation of pitch in live OR a recorded performance. Let's hope some people reject Auto-tune and pitch correction. Keep 'em honest, Fil.
OMG I always thought I was virtually tone deaf, but this "improved" version makes my skin crawl. Cut it out people! Thanks Fil.
I agree. ‘Perfect’ is not what I want to hear. To me, the joy is missing.
I am a voice teacher/vocal coach and I agree with you 100%. Thanks for what you’re doing here!
I literally couldn't finish watching this video. It's so upsetting to see and hear Randy's beautiful, natural performance desecrated by wholly unwarranted, unnecessary, and unwanted revisionism. Thank you for taking a stand against it, Fil.
it is criminal if they don't allow the original live recording to exist. i bloody HATE autotune and now the idea of eliminating the actual, human, real vocal from access?!
WHY?!?!
luv ya, fil. ❤
Why, why, why???!!! What is gained? It is a disgusting perversion when done. Who thinks auto tune sounds better??? You said it’s “ruined” and that’s spot on anytime it’s used. All the emotion is stripped away as is the artistry in where most talented singers chose to sing a note. It is maddening.
Thanks Fil, you've done Randy proud by being true to his original vocals. Keep up the great work! This would be like going over a Masterpiece Painting and painting over the original to fill in spots you don't think look right. It's like when Ozzy took out Bob and Lee's musical parts and replaced them with session players, it's not original anymore. What an IDIOTIC thing to do to his original vocals, it's no longer original!
Wings, you are so cool. I love how you express your music genius & help us peasants - understand. I know nothing about music and now can hear very well, but you are a beautiful wonder. Thanks
This is shocking! Thank you for bringing it to our attention ... I had no idea. The auto tune bears no resemblance when you've literally grown up with certain singers and bands. To me, it's positively criminal. It's like painting the Colosseum white to 'make it look better'! The idiots who do this need flogging.
Hearing Randy's voice in the original gives me goosebumps. Auto tuning Randy, or any other excellent vocalist, is simply, Blasphemy. Thank you for showing this, Fil. One question--How can we protest this?
Don’t go their final, REALLY final tour, and don’t buy the album they will eventually make to bleed their legacy totally dry! It was all done better in the original versions! The Eagles, (Don and Glen, now only Don), were always a cut-throat band! First Bernie, then Randy, then Felder!
I'm glad I have all my vinyl records from 70s and 80s. I get to hear the vocals from these great artists without auto tuning. It's totally outrageous that they're doing this to great recordings that don't need auto tuning. 🤦♀️
A Sad State of affairs. Keep up the great work Fil. More people need to be aware of this issue.
The variations are what make it SPECIAL!
Why in the hell can't some people leave things ALONE! I'm just disgusted with it...
Anyhow, thank you Fil, I certainly feel as you do!🌷
IMO, "Auto-tuned/pitch corrected" should be stamped on all music where applicable, whether it's done to a song before release, or after. I think the purchaser has a right to know.
(BTW, I saw a few errant brush strokes on the Mona Lisa ... someone ought to correct it 😏)
That is actually how I describe this to the lay people in my life. Like taking a Picasso and re-working it to look "realistic" for those that don't see what he saw as he drew and painted. They always scoff and I say, "Exactly."
Good afternoon from the beautiful SF Bay Area. Excellent review. The industry has been awful for decades and this is a perfect example of the corrupting influence of banks on music. We ran into this kind of consciousness back in the 70-80's when non music related "suits" were passing judgement on real music based on their biases. How many times have great songs and musicians been rejected only to turn up somewhere else as a hit. I hate auto tune. Rick Beato has a great analysis as to why my generation hates auto tune. It's both insightful and funny. Thank you, Phil, keep on hammering away at this disease. Such a travesty and insult to such fine musicians as the Eagles.
I saw the eagles in 1977 in Seattle. Randy sang "TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT " perfect!
I'd like to here you sing this! The Eagles are amazing!
Beyond sad and I am seeing The Eagles this fall with Steely Dan. I can't stand auto tune. It is like nails on a chalkboard. Randy sang it perfectly. May he RIP.
Record companies never get the first clue why their own actions contribute to music piracy.
Fil, I'm with you 100% on this issue. Re-issuing older performances of ANY singer or group with digital manipulation like this is a sacrilege. It's also being mindlessly done almost to the point of being automatic - and NOT being clearly disclosed in the re-release so we have the choice to buy or not buy. As an artist you know singing styles change over long periods of time, and no matter when, some historical performances were raw but powerful and defining. Voices are unique. Now the record companies want to smooth and tune every vocal, eliminating a lot of the sound and nuance of the original. What next? Digitally alter Janis Joplin's voice to make it smooth and "pretty?' Disgusting!
Mediocre minds on autopilot are dangerous. An earlier example was the initial modern release of Walt Disney's classic, Fantasia. They wiped the original soundtrack recorded with Leopold Stokowski and the Philadelphia Orchestra and substituted a "new" recording from some hack orchestra that sounded like elevator music. There were so many complaints they later restored the original recording remastered digitally. I'm reminded of a famous quote by Albert Einstein: "The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits.""
I agree with you 100%. It makes the vocal less perfect. Thanks Fil and great video!!
The Eagles were my daddy's favorite band. He took me to see them with the Doobie Brothers when I was 13 or so, in 1976. I think of him whenever I hear the Eagles and this is so upsetting.
I understand. That is awful.
The thing that never seems to be mentioned with autotune is the difference between relative and absolute pitch. Snapping vocals to the absolute grid can also ruin the relative proportions of the intervals to make it literally worse from a dispassionate, music theory perspective. You're not just losing humanization. You're potentially losing precision.
And it can sound hideous when done wrong, meaning the precision you are talking about it seems.
Good point. I was thinking the same. If a singer is singing the third in a major chord, it would need to be a slight bit flat for chord tuning and sonority.
"the people who can't sing and have never sung at this level".....spot on, Fil. Bravo!
This was ugly, that mechanical sound, ugh! To me, the arrogance of the people who are doing the "correction" is staggering. It's like they are restoring a painting and then decide they can "improve" on Van Gogh's work by using some computer algorithm. Very depressing to think we will likely be hearing more and more of this.
Think of when they turn a beloved, classic book into a movie, and the Hollywood "writers" think they can improve on the work of a master, by changing important parts of the story. Arrogance is the perfect description of those people!
Wow! I love your analogy. To take it a step farther, it's like taking a Van Gogh and making it a paint by number.
Randy’s voice was so pure and heartfelt in the original. Especially the very ending of the song. Neil Diamond’s voice is also beautiful too.
What live performance was this from? I mean The auto tune version so i wont listen to that one
Thank you so much for bringing this to everyone's attention. Randy was my soul and this is just not fair
You are absolutely spot-on! Pitch correction/autotune RUINS the passion of performance. I do not want to hear robots. I want to hear humans being expressive note by note. If swoops up to a little sharp or finishes slightly flat express the passion of the song's moment, then that is what is a human performance. Please make laws that identify robotic incursions so that real musicians and fans can avoid them and hear the real thing. The human thing.
Preach it Fil! Keep it honest and REAL! I'm so grateful to have a huge music collection in various formats PRE-PITCH corrected. We heard our artists as they actually sang, not as so many truly untalented hacks out there now whose voices are hideous without the help of technology. Going back and pitch correcting the Eagles is positively criminal!
Fil does great rants..I think Fil should write in to Lewis Black's "Rantcast!"
Terrible, frightening, stupid, depressing...
Thank you for charing this with us!🌞
I hope the responsible people read all these comments and see what we feel about this.
I fear, it's all about the money. If the youth doesn't know REAL singing they don't need REAL artists any more.
I'm so glad I've kept my CD collection and converted the music to MP3 myself!
Couldn't agree more Fil. Like so many things in our society- people throwing the good things away for a cheap imitation.
I'm a 60 year old drummer whose seen MANY concerts over the years. I saw the Eagles during their 'The Long Run' Tour on Feb 5, 1980 at The Summit in Houston, Texas. During the 'acoustic' part of the show, all five members (but Schmit instead of Meisner) came to the front of the stage and sat on wooden stools. The entire arena was dark except for a single blue spotlight beaming straight down on each member. Their voices were EXACTLY like you heard on the studio versions...perfect! That's a moment I'll never forget.
They practiced that way a lot.
I have to confess, I was first put-off somewhat with ur videos. However, I have come to respect ur analysis. I didnt realize that auto tune & pitch correction was being used THIS MUCH! Thanks for what you do, keep on. 👍🏻
You’re right, Fil. They are destroying the art. In this case, from the first note of the auto-tuned version, it sounded as if Randy has his head in a pillow. I’ve been on channels where teen reactors are responding enthusiastically to people like Janis Joplin and Joe Cocker et al. Viewers are excited because the next generation is loving the music precisely as it was. (Maybe Tower Records will reappear and the original, vinyl records will be in great demand!)
Man , you are so right on! What they have done to Randy’s beautiful voice is atrocious. This foolishness should be illegal, or at least have a disclaimer.
Agree !! And when you buy a ticket for a live show you should be told how live it really is. Paying to see a band perform and 1/2 of the show is backing tracks sucks.
Outrageous, I don't mind hearing their real voices whether perfect or not. Thank you Fil for bringing this to light. Whoever is doing this should leave these songs alone. Shame on them. I am thankful to have a couple of the original Eagles Albums. (Vinyl).
Love these comparisons... wonderful to watch :)
❤ totally agree! I am an old soul living in a new world.
Thanks Fil for highlighting this issue and fighting against it! Autotune sounds absolutely hideous and I don't know how anyone could think this is an improvement. The thought of the original performances being lost forever is terrifying. This must be stopped!!!
Thank you!
@@wingsofpegasus Is Queen doing this to Freddie's songs? Or is the record company doing this to Freddie's songs? This is terrible to hear!
I'm crushed. We're losing all the artists' choices, the random differences that surprise and add interest. Even more heinous, it's being done after the artist has passed away and can't weigh in on the change to their work.
Absolutely correct. It's ruining every recording. Like you, I can hear it straight away. Randy was a great singer. No need for any of this
I'm with you 100%. I HATE auto tune in every way.
With the current trend, young people will sadly think (maybe already do) that an auto-tuned voice is normal to their ears. I'm glad Fil is pointing out the difference and praising the natural voice. The question is, why are producers intent on taking out emotion and uniqueness by auto-tuning everyone?
They do not know any better.
It's always about money! Follow the money.
@mimi-3212 There's a movement on to dehumanize everything. What they're doing to music is just one small fraction of it.
@Psalm1267 You are 100 % Corect. "Dehumanize" EVERYTHING !! & It's Revolting !
Randy is such a beautiful singer....How dare they take the life and soul out of his performance?
Add this to the disgusting way they copyright block online...Henley has a lot to answer for.
Felder mentions the record label wanting to pitch correct their 1980 live album after they rerecorded some lines in the studio, in his book. I assume its a record label decision
@@bassesatta9235 These days they run it themselves. Specifically Henley and Frey, and with Glen gone.I think Don is the primary decision maker. He's certainly the one making the aggressive copyright claims on youtube.
You think that, Don, is responsible for it? REALLY?! Forget the contractors, the studio executives, even the people who presented it to TH-cam (probably, the very same recording company people!)....Do as you please, but I, for one, am not willing to dump in on Don, at least not alone. I bet that MANY voices have been altered or autotuned, including DON HENLEY'S!! Perhaps, one day, they will come up with an "advancement" that can alter the known voice of DONALD DUCK into PAVARROTI!!!! 🙄
@@angrysilence1234.... Rick Beato made a video about copyright blockers. He played video of Don Henley. It shows he, on behalf of the Eagles, is one of the most aggressive blockers online. That shows his level of control over the Eagles IP.
I love Don's music, he's a legitimate musical genius. But he is absolutely one of the main people behind this autotune move.
Good job and thank you for keeping the public informed.
Thank you for the rant!!! It’s a god awful thing to do to real, talented singers. I can understand pitch correcting a performance artist who can’t really sing… but a truly great singer should be left alone.
Even with my untrained ears I can instantly tell when someone has been mucking about with music I have loved for years. I'd rather have the raw emotion of a live performance than someone else's idea of "perfection".... somethings are just better left alone.
This makes me so angry. It's bad enough that we are forced to hear autotune in today's music, but how dare they taint brilliant performances from the past!!!! Can't the Eagles and other artists reject having autotune applied to their performances??
Yes of course if they knew about it!
@@wingsofpegasus That is so sad. As time goes by, I am more and more thankful to have grown up when I did and feel sorry for the kids growing up today in this fake,, autotune world. They are missing SO much.
that's baffling to me@@wingsofpegasus
I hope some musicians start a campaign and start suing if that's the extremes they need to take.
@@vrbixby auto tune is cool when used as just an effect like Cher did with Believe in the 90s but when you use it just to take out mistakes then recordings become less human. Sometimes the brilliance is in the mistakes themselves.
Gawd, i just LOVE YOU/YOUR WORK!!! ❤❤❤
Many thanks for sharing your dedication.
I agree with your objection to autotune. Authenticity is the best, makes the singer unique and better. Now they want everyone sounding like robots. Horrible.
Those who need auto-tune should practice more and those who don't need it, shouldn't use it!