How To Install A Racing Harness
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ย. 2016
- In this episode we show you how to install a racing harness. We're working on Tay Tay the nugget 180SX in preparation for battle with 2SEXY.
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This install shows a 4 point racing harness which is a technical requirement for some competitive driving.
Some manufacturers sell a 5th strap to convert your 4 point harness into a 5 point harness and there are also 4 point anti-submarining harnesses available. There is a lot of discussion and valuable conversation to be had around safety so do your own research and get the safest option for your needs.
Depending on your country and region, there are a range regulations and requirements so you should always check with your local authority to make sure you have the safest option.
Check the CAMS site for more info:
docs.cams.com.au/Manual/Genera...
Also something to note around Mighty Car Mods: we are normal guys and are not trained mechanics. We like to make interesting car mods and show you how we've gone about it, but we can't promise that anything we show you will work for your particular car, or that you won't harm yourself, someone else, your car or your warranty doing it. Please be safe, be responsible and unless you know what you're doing, do not fool around with very serious machinery just because you've seen us make it look so easy. Talk to a qualified mechanic if you are in any doubt. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Its officially time to replace ya harness belts mates👌
Now it officially is time especially after 2020
Those are 6 year harnesses. And 4 year seats.
Now there 7 years old
I don't even own a car... but I religiously watch MCM.
Same, the show gives me the lust of getting a car and doing some mods on it though.
Unmask Art im 16 and i own 2 cars lol a sierra and a 306 d'turbo
Unmask Art same
Unmask Art believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and that God rose him from the dead and you will be saved
yea, i've got 2 cars but i need to wait 4 years for taking my license
More info and links to technical documents in the description for those that want more information!
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repaint the 180
thanks for the edit guys, well played.
"The first thing you need to do is jack up your car". I miss those for all guides...
...And Marty's mum's driveway :'(
xBeau Gaming I miss those old days. "To install your headlight, first you need to jack up your car"
Wtrxprs007able Yeah, i don't mind them now, but i preferred it when they weren't as 'legit'.
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xBeau Gaming never would’ve thought to see you here
This is a new version of the video we put up yesterday. There's a post on our Facebook page explaining why we pulled it and re-edited it facebook.com/mightycarmods
i've read your comment under the video, but i still don't entirely understand what changed or why it was changed
thanks (it was 2 posts down, and facebook pages are confusing)
Zegus Your A Boss For Saving Us Going To FB! Cheers!
Zegus you da real MVP
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2:04 - Seeing that note put in there makes a world of difference in my mind, mates. Thank you for putting it in.
qdHazen Absolutely! I'm glad they listened to the comments.
Anyone watching this without socks on
Me! :3
Im Not A Hoon completely fucking nude in bed
Im Not A Hoon it's hot in SA.. bare feet or sandals
NO. It's cold AF.. Winter is coming
Im Not A Hoon meeeee
Other reasons for harness expiration dates: UV exposure and stretch. The UV exposure part is a bit more straight-forward, as it's common to see items with UV inhibitors still fade, crack, and even dissolve given enough time.
Stretch is something that isn't immediately obvious. It's basically part of the seat belt/harness design to allow the fabric a slight amount of "give" in the event of a collision. The weave design does that. So when you see warnings about the harness needing replacement after any given incident, it's partly because the belt should have stretched to deal with the body moving into it, and it won't return to its previous state. It's designed for a single, major event. As a side note, they can stretch over time anyway, and since a race harness is supposed to go in a "race car" (or whatever you're strapping to whichever; I won't judge) the odds of excessive vibration while the vehicle is operating are high, so it will give over a long enough time frame. It's meant to.
Always replace the used harnesses after a collision and/or within the expiration period. Whichever comes first.
Ohhh thank you so much. That explains why my seatbelts rotted and ripped like nothing when I bought my car. I thought it was the sun that destroyed them.
How to install a racing harness:
Step 1: Install racing harness
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
Thanks for the reload! I'm happy that you guys are so awesome.
Thumbs up if you watched this yesterday
Faceballs for the min
*win
For the people who don't live on that side of the earth... Hit a like if you watched it this morning...
Maarten Jongkind they uploaded it and then deleted for some reason. This is uploaded 2nd time.
I know, but I watched that previous video early this morning... Where for some people that was yesterday evening.
I'm glad you re-uploaded this. I was extremely offended by the first upload.
I wish you guys posted more videos! I don't comment much, I don't know why but I do enjoy every video. Thanks for the hard work.
Just want to make a point about racing harnesses and road legality that isn't brought up in the video:
Racing harnesses aren't road legal because they don't allow your upper torso to bend forward in a rollover. Street cars don't have roll cages, so the roof will collapse some in a rollover and your body needs to be able to bend over in that occurence. A stock belt keeps one shoulder free so your torso can bend. With both shoulders stuck to the seat in a racing harness, your neck and spine will take on the full force of the collapsing roof and kill you. This is why you should only ever use racing harnesses if you also have a roll cage, and at that point you also need a helmet so you aren't hitting your head on those steel bars in a crash. Basically, use ALL stock components (stock seat, wheel with airbag, 3pt belts) or use ALL racing components (racing wheel, 5/6pt harness, non-reclinable bucket seat), as doing anything in between is less safe than either of these two options.
Except for a helmet, because even though you'll look silly and it is u comfortable there isn't really anything technically wrong with wearing one everywhere
Yeah, It's not technically illegal to wear a helmet in a car in most places, but probably not a smart idea in traffic since it's gonna restrict your peripheral vision somewhat.
If you really want a "racing" setup on the street, MCM mentioned DOT-approved anti-submarining 4-point harnesses that in some cases are road legal as long as they use a stock-style big red PRESS button, which is also required for road legality. I suppose then you could feasibly also use a racing seat and roll bar without a helmet (as long as you use SFI padding on the bars) and still *MIGHT* maintain road legality. Still questionable on safety though, which IMO is more important than legality.
I think US law states that removing any factory installed safety device is a federal offence, which definitely means no racing wheel, and might mean no racing seat either (not sure if the seat is considered a safety device by law). But I think the DOT-approved 4-point harness would be legal as long as you don't need to remove the stock belt to install it. Obviously do your own research as well, since I'm not a legal professional nor an expert on automotive safety.
SjDhALkJfgs that's not entirely true, regular seat belts and seats are supposed to keep you just as upright as race seats and harnesses, and modern cars undergo rollover testing where the car is supposed to support itself upside down. The problem is that regardless of the safety benefit of aftermarket harnesses, they don't go through the same DOT testing as oem equipment, and therefore default as illegal for the street. The big disadvantage of a 4 point as the video point out, is that in some cases your shoulder belts can push you down under the belts causing serious harm. But with a good seat and proper harness installation this danger is minimized.
Depends where you live, these are legal in the UK as long as they're up to spec!
+SjDhALkJfgs
In the US it is not illegal to use a 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 point harness/restraint system on public roads.
It is illegal to not have the factory FMVSS 209/DOT restraint system also installed and in some states not using the factory restraint system.
It is perfectly legal to use both factory and aftermarket restraint systems concurrently.
There are DOT approved aftermarket restraint systems from several manufacturers including the pioneer Schroth, however some states also require the factory restraint systems remain in the vehicle and be functional.
It should be noted that operating a vehicle without the factory FMVSS/DOT restraint systems are only vehicle infractions and not criminal offenses.
Your comment about additional injury using n aftermarket harness without a roll cage is an often repeated myth, there have only been 2 cases in 46 years where an occupant in a vehicle without a roll bar/cage was seriously injured in a rollover while properly using an aftermarket racing harness.
Most US vehicles produced after 1989 model year have relatively good rollover roof crush protection builtin and most vehicles produced for the US market after 2000 model year have excellent occupant rollover roof crush protection due to FMVSS mandated structural performance improvements.
Crash tests have shown that with the factory restraint system there is an increased likelihood that the occupants will slip out of the factory restraints and likely experience ejection from the vehicle or sustain additional injury or death when compared to aftermarket 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 point harness/restraint systems.
Wearing a helmet while operating a vehicle on public roads is actually illegal in only 3 US states and and there is pending litigation to possibility overturn (no pun intended) the law in 1 of the states.
Currently there are only 2 states that prohibit roll bars/cages in vehicles operated on public roads (with or without a helmet).
Really apreciate the attention to detail on the safety guys. Top work for sure, great video as always and thanks for the content!
Watching this in 2020, the expiration date has arrived lol
Hope this one stays on long enough for me to get the chance to watch it!
Watch it !
@@hunyadimolnarmatyas7822 I did 3 years ago! Great wee video! But when they uploaded it what back then they deleted it and re-uploaded it for some reason.
Saw this was uploaded earlier today and just got uploaded again :) Was so happy :D
Glad we're talkin wrap arounds in this one.
when I first saw your channel I was hooked, you showed me how cool something that in my area of my patch of land on the globe is just used to get around the roads. I got really big into car mods, but I was only 12 at the time. Now 2 years later the fact that your videos got me into car stuff, and watching your speaker install I was able to fix (and mod) the audio system in my mum's car, when her front speakers died
Also despite living in the U.S.A I'm saying boot and bonnet rather than trunk and hood about 1/4 of the time and getting more often saying it instead, because I watch your videos
Yay, you re-uploaded! Thanks for all the work put into this channel, much appreciated!
what was wrong with the last one?
Pandamonium Idk it was just taken down. it seemed fine.
Looks like they ripped out the part with Moog having the belt on, probably because it was way up on his stomach, instead of down by the crotch where it probably should be.
Yep. I noticed that when the original was posted. Now he has it done up much lower over the hips - so much better. Having the clasp up over his stomach wasn't going to keep his hips planted in the seat if he had a wreck.
big fan never miss a series good job on the corvette
great video as usual guys!
i love the 180sx videos, i need more
Really love your videos! :)
JUST WHAT I NEEDED AT THE RIGHT TIME !
Nice job guys. So many people are misinformed about harnesses and think they can't just mount the harness however they like. But if it's at the wrong angle in a serious accident there can be spinal damage.
Great edit
Great video guys! I don't know if you've ever been asked to do a video about the various motorbikes in your shop but it would be interesting to hear about them.
4-6 point harnesses are a must!! All the people criticizing 4 or more point harnesses have obviously never been in a serious racecar in a serious racing environment. I've raced open-wheel cars and a prototype-style car and you would never want less than 4 points. 4 to 6, always, 100%. It's not just for safety but feeling the car, every tiny little movement, tiny differences in lateral or longitudinal wheelspin, feeling tiny quick changes in grip, etc.
Video is sick dude! Do more of these motor sport videos
Nice!
It seems like I never see that you have a new video up from my "subscriptions" page, I always just randomly see your new videos in "up next" when watching something?
Need a 30 minute mix of the "working on stuff" background music in this episode! Good stuff.
Sweet epic mad action I have been thinking about putting on in my Ford Probe
Why they removed the video:
Some of you may have seen a new video go up today on the install of a racing harness. We've decided to re-address a problem with the edit so we've taken it down.
We set up the seat belt for Marty, and once it was set I got into the seat to do the outro. Because it was set up for his body and not mine, the buckle was sitting in a different position and not as low as it should have been.
Being a safety aspect of the car it's a good one to get right. We'll have a look at this again once we're both back from America.
Thought it was worth explaining why the episode may have suddenly disappeared from your subscription box!
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will you guys do a vid on turning an Auto into a Manual? great vids, you guys are awesome. :)
Not only does it hold you in the seat, it holds the seat in the car. Nice vid mcm as always
Oh look, i really enjoyed this video.
Big props to you guys for re-editing & re-uploading to remove that example clip of someone wearing the lap belt way too high!
Safety first, that way you guys & people learning from your videos can keep enjoying cars! \/||\/||
You guys are amazing 😭
great vid.
KILLERS! Rock on Moog, rock on
Like all your videos but I missed this kind of tutorials
Keep it up guys you're the best
wow, you will go as far as taking down your published video for safety reason. That is amazing guys! Keept up the good work
I put CG-Locks onto my weekend car's 2 point seat belts made a world of difference for spirited driving
Can't wait for that subaru ute! 🤗🤗🤗
Waiting for this weeks vid...
Nice shirt Moog.
I was so surprised to see the host of the show wearing a Killers shirt while I was wearing my Number Of The Beast shirt at the same time.✌👌
ep so nice I watched it twice
cheers from central america!
Wrap around belts spread the weight of an impact over the whole bar. Eyelet clip belt mounts focus the weight on a bolt and an inch or so of weld.
old school mcm diy.. awesome
"What if I just throw one up?"
*catches in mouth*
"Winning"
Luke Stogden congratulations u repeated them....why?
Justin McMullen because Charlie Sheen.
Love the Shirt, Moog.
Nice vid👌
Another motorcycle in the background. Time you did a mighty bike mods special.
MCM2 feature on your two-wheeled rigs would be mad! (I've been watching those bikes on your wall trying to figure out what the full suspension MTB is and whether you've modded any of your two-wheeled machines) Cheers!
Safety first with Tay Tay
Morning Down Under. Good Night from Britain.
could've sworn this was already uploaded
When you guys come to The us come to Chicago theres a huge car scene here you guys should come and chill at lower wacker and laflin/cermak
Cool! I like harnessing racing harnesses ;)
Game on is a sick song
Nice shirt😝 Maiden🤘🏻
Another important point is that racing harnesses allow you to use a HANS device (called a Frontal Head Restraint or FHR in FIA lingo) if you have a compatible helmet (racing classes that require harnesses usually also require it). E.g. CAMS says State level and above (State/National and International) must have a roll cage (depends on the car, and racing class), and a 6 or 5 point harness with a HANS, both to FIA spec.
bro i love your shirt moog rock on
I approve of the shirt.
Safety First!
B is for build has a great video where he goes through submarining and more info on 4 points
MCM PLEASE RESPOND TO ME, IT'S MAH BIRTHDAYYY :D
Also, great video!
TheDanishWaffle you've not watched it yet the video hasn't been out for 9 minutes
it was uploaded yesterday so he may have been one of the first to see that
Yeah, I saw it yesterday :D
669ELGUAPO oh
Andrew Glancy Yes he could have watched it already as this is a re-upload. Back to the cave bruv.
Nice Iron Maiden Shirt Moog!
Love it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Okay, I'm making this post in an attempt to save anyone else who wishes to install a harness, harness bar, or roll cage from ending up paralyzed or dead. I see improperly used and improperly installed equipment on a regualr basis, and it kills me to see people risking their lives and their passengers lives simply because they don't have the pertinent information.
You NEVER mount harnesses to the floor, period. What is keeping you from doing a face plant on the steering wheel/dash in a front end collision? The seatback? That seat would snap like a toothpick. Not only that, as you fly forward into the dash, and you will, in even a low speed accident, the harness is going to pull down on your shoulders and compress your spine causing a debilitating or fatal back injury.
Furthermore, harnesses, harness bars, and roll cages have no place in a street car, period.
DO NOT USE HARNESS BARS for safety equipment. Use a bolted or welded in roll cage. But you are putting your life on the line if you use a roll cage, or even a harness bar without wearing a helmet AT ALL TIMES in the car. I know of someone who was killed in a 25mph collision when he bumped his head on his harness bar.
DO NOT USE ROLL BARS/CAGES on the street. You should never get into a car that has any type of roll cage or roll bar in it unless you wear a helmet at all times. See above for a further explaination of why a helmet is necessary.
DO NOT USE 4 POINT HARNESSES. Use 5 or 6 point harnesses. The reason you submarine out of a 4 point harness is that your upper body does not lean forward and over the lap belt like it would with a 3 point. Thus, the g forces force your body out under the lap belt. The act of submarining out of a belt is going to seriously injure and potentially kill you, but once you've submarined out of the harness, you can also be ejected from the car. Also, if you have a 5 or 6 point harness and it works as it should, it decelerates your torso instantly in a frontal impact, but your head will continue moving forward. This will result in a debilitating or fatal neck injury or instantly fatal basular skull fracture. Oh and that front airbag, forget about it because you'll never reach it if the harness works. Never use a harness on the street, period.
Next, harnesses should only be mounted at shoulder level and mounted only to a welded or bolted in roll cage, period. Mounting to the floor, or rear seatbelt mounts, causes the harness to pull down on your shoulders and crush your spine when you are in a frontal impact, causing a debilitating or fatal back injury. Also, you will be hitting the steering wheel/dash with full force if you've bolted the harness to the floor. The only place I would say that it is remotely safe to use an improperly installed harness is the autocross. This is because collisions at autocross events are more than rare, so you would not be at much risk of using the harness as a safety restraint. But, injuries are still possible, at least you can now weigh the risks and make an informed decision as to whether or not you use this equipment in your car.
STREET CARS DO NOT USE AFTERMARTKET SEATS. Well, they don't when they have integral airbags in the seats. When you remove the seats with airbags, the airbag light comes on, and you have now DISABLED EVERY AIRBAG IN THE CAR. You have no more front, side, or curtain airbags. You have also put yourself in hot water with your insurance company by removing your factory safety equipment. If you or someone else is injured or killed in your vehicle, even if the accident is the other guy's fault, you are going to get sued.
I've had several people mention that 'race cars' use this type of safety equipment, but....
Also consider that accidents in race cars are NOT usually as severe as accidents on the street. Everyone is going the same direction on a race track, so no head on collisions. The track is lined with tire walls and barriers so that it is highly unlikely that you could hit a solid object like a tree. The track is set up so that collisions are deflected and cars can't deccelerate all at once. There should be no spot on a track where you can go head on into something and deccelerate intantly. On the street, the hazards and potential impacts are far greater in likelihood and severity than on a track.
Furthermore, The safety equipment used in 'race cars' is a system, period. You cannot pick and choose what equipment you want to use. No harness without a HANS, no HANS without a helmet, no cage without a helmet, the list keeps going in cirlces. YOU NEED EVERYTHING. Race car drivers do not piecemeal their safety equipment together.
The factory safety equipment is the best possible design for street use and is also a system. When you remove or change one piece, nothing else works like it should. It kills me to see people risking and losing their lives so that they can have some Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements on their cars.
If self preservation is at all alive within you, use your factory safety equipment AND ONLY YOUR FACTORY SAFETY EQUIPMENT on the street.
Very nice text ;).
But your point "that accidents in race cars are NOT usually as severe as accidents on the street" don't apply to rally cars, which use a similar safety equipments like 'race cars' going on a circuit with tire barriers and so on. Rally cars can hit for example a tree or a wall, which makes them deccelerate instantly.
I like your post Leo, but I do want to point out a few things.
Basilar skull fractures are only likely to occur due to the weight of the helmet. A lack of a helmet significantly reduces the chance of a basilar skull fracture. Of course a basilar fracture is still possible without a helmet, but it's much less likely. Harness belts are designed to stretch for this reason among others (like protecting the collar bone). A HANS device also does not fully protect you from neck injury, like side-impacts.
Roll bar padding drastically reduces the chance of injury in event of contact with a roll bar. You know a guy that died from a 25mph collision that involved head contact with a bar, and I know of a guy (I can link his story below) who survived a 70mph rear end collision because of SFI 45.1 roll bar padding. I'm not saying it's as safe as having no bar, but you can take steps to make it drastically less dangerous than a bare steel bar.
forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=308182
You can actually reach the airbag if the harness works. It depends on how tight it is. When I put my harnesses on, I put them on so tight I get bruises after my races. Combined with my light weight, I probably would not reach the air bag. But harnesses are designed to stretch, and stretch more than one might think. I took a racing school with someone who broke their jaw on the steering wheel in a formula car when they hit the wall, even with belts on (no HANS though). Probably slightly loose belts, as most would run them on the street. I laugh darkly every time I see a tuner kid driving around with floppy straps on...
There should be no spots on the track where you can decelerate instantly, but there are in reality. I hit one of those spots when I smashed into a wall head first at 90MPH. My first thought was, man, that hurt a lot less than I thought it would. Turns out I bought $5,000 worth of safety gear for a reason.
But I guess all this is kinda moot because I drive a 1994 Miata with no ABS, traction control, stability management, or functioning air bags (she alternates between complaining about the passenger and driver airbag), and it has a roll bar with stock seats and seat belts. Buying a second car soon, maybe a VW, or a Volvo. But I also want a motorcycle. Hard choices.
Leo TLDR: get a real DOT approved 4 point harness such as a Schroth Rallye or Takata Drift and call it a day.
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are you guys ever planning on getting a car lift 2 post or 4 post good vid by the way @mightycarmods
That is a lovely BMW you have.
Clicked that notification so fast
they say 4 point can be dangerous.. installs 4 point harness.. savage lmao
Noticed this, there is no way I would install a 4 point harness under any circumstance, I quite like the current organization of my internal organs.
Shane Hildebrand only 4-point i would install is the Takata drift one with the anti-submarine belt. Because even the factory 3-point is better than a basic 4-point
Shane Hildebrand It's dangerous for street use or in situations where you somehow end up in a head on collision. Bit if your only gonna be track driving and Drifting 4 point is fine. If your gonna street drive oem 3 point or a 5 point harness would be safer. But a 5 point is inconvenient and hurts if you have a Dick.
+Martin Bernath
Do you have any credible data to support your statement "Because even the factory 3-point is better than a basic 4-point" ?
patw52pb1 3-point allows your body to move forward a little bit therefore during the collision there is no chance of submarining. 4-point holds your body much better and that is good for driving because you are not sliding across the seat, but when it comes to safety especially during front end colisions, its either 3-point, 4-point with asm strap or 5 and 6-point that will save you. Most people say that basic 4-point is good enough for the track and for 90% thats true because its unlikely that you end up in a front end collision but when you do you are in trouble.
Whats the song at 6:00. Nice vid, keep up the good work!
I miss hearing the running out of time instrumental through the installs
Get's notification
pause life and watch the awsome video
I'm kinda missing those videos of How to in your car.
Those days were great.
Well it’s 2020!! I guess it’s time for some new ones !
Awesome
I recommend the reach around
nice !
I've got the SABELT strap backpack.
I got the notification for this yesterday but it was gone when I tried to watch it, now it's here again?
RE: expiring belts, they do sort of "go off". I suppose it's been mentioned by now, things like bulletproof vests with Kevlar and other aramid fibers degrade over time and loose their strength and particularly their ability to stretch. A lot of those high strength engineered fibers are what saftey belts for race cars, aircraft, and climbing equipment are made out off. In particular they tend to be affected by UV, so the result is you tend to get expiration dates that in addition to saftey regulations are based in the chemistry used to produce them.
2 legends 🔰🙌
Safety yo!
awsome iron maiden shirt ✊
Can you guys do a dyno test of the cryo2 intake chiller system?
its worth mentioning that there exist 4 point harnesses that are made for road use. Some of theese use a snandard buckle (the one with one red button found in most cars) and anti submarine technology (shoulderharness is folded over itself and sew together so in case of an accident, the sewed part becomes unfolded, and your upoer body gets thrown just enough forward so that you wont submarine under the lower part of the harness)
And ofcourse, stupid me didnt read the video description where this wa stated...
Up the Irons Moog!
I'm a simple man, I see Killers T-shirt, I click like. xD
Props from Poland! why dont you come visit us in the middle-eastern Europe?
yay!!!video
You should show a video on how to install racing harness without a roll bar
Hell yeah, MAIDEN!
the same video two days in a row!!!
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