Interesting video David! Some limited experience that I have with 4G/5G routers with integrated antennas (built into the sealed router enclosure).. even if they have external antenna ports, they sometimes have limited functionality on these external ports - A popular LTE/4G router we tested did support LTE/4G on the internal antennas but only exposed 2G/3G to the external ports, making the external ports somewhat redundant. Another 4x4 MIMO router we tested had two external ports, and when connecting external antennas, it would disable the internal antennas completely - making it only a 2x2 MIMO router. With that configuration, I would have thought that the manufacturer could have used the two external antennas plus two internal antennas to maintain 4x4 MIMO (or even better to have had 4 external ports).. I therefore like your comment to look at a router with external antenna ports as it demystifies what is happening in the sealed box.
Stephen, your insight into these routers is always much appreciated !!! It's a bit like the software term WYSIWYG...what you see is what you get (with the new 5G Router)
Hello David, a few questions that i hope you can help me with. I live in Darwin where only 4g is available, I can only use a portable router and I am with Telstra. Judging off your videos of the teltonika devices they are superior to the M6 which would be my other option as I am with Telstra. I would have to keep the router inside due to Darwin weather. would it more beneficial to get the RUT950 for inside use or the m6? I would be using a ethernet cable the whole time and leave it on mains power as I don't intend to do much traveling with it. Also would the antennas still be beneficial for either device inside? Great video as always this was very informative looking forward to more in the future cheers!
Mmm, tricky question. Not because it's a hard one, but the way you describe the scenario and ask the question I'm thinking a few things here. Not sure if you meant to type RUT950 or RUTX50? The 950 is a good Cat4 dual-SIM router, and the X50 as discussed in this video is the new 5G router. If you wanted 5G and future proof I would really recommend the X50 over the M6. If you want to see why, feel free to check out the video we did on why there's a difference between consumer and industrial grade (see th-cam.com/video/PLAc6q3C4oM/w-d-xo.html) However, if you were indeed asking about the 950, and you consider a single SIM-card and Ethernet connection I would actually drop it down to the RUT240 since that's a great modem, same speeds and been around a lot so very reliable. Still can do speeds better than NBN so I would not fault it. It will be very capable of handling the harsher environments.
Hi quick question but can the Rutx50 use both SIM cards at the same time and load balance between them or are the two sims just for fail over or using two carriers? Great video too
Hi Matthew. The two SIM cards are running on the same modem, so they are for fail-over purposes. The RUTX12 has two dedicated modems and can run two 4G services at the same time (but not 5G)
would the rutx50 5G external antennas increase signal strength from indoors? my nighhawk m6pro gets only 2 bars where its currently located only about a meter from a large window. Yet if i sit the modem in the window ledge i get nearly 5 total bars?
Yes, I would be so bold to indeed say the antennas of the RUTX50 would outperform the NightHawk internal antennas hands-down. I have seen that during my initial tests before I made the actual video contents.
hi I have ordered the RUTX50 with the new directional Poynting antenna but will be using my Poynting mimo-3-15 most of the time but it only has 2 antenna connection. so with the 2 spare can you use the 2 standard antenna that the RUTX50 come with and will it help?
Yes, using a mix of external and internal antennas is still better than using the routers that only has two external antennas without anything else. As long as there is something (prefer 2, but even 1 is better than nothing) it will benefit the system. Off-course, 4 outside is always the best :)
I got myself a Nighthawk M6 Pro (MR6450) a few weeks back because I thought it could deliver a high amount speed just like my phone (Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4) could. But boy was I wrong. And the main reason I bought the Nighthawk was because I got 920 mbit/down on speedtest using my phone. So I thought a mobile router could deliver atleast the same amount if not more. And not to mention that the Nighthawk has a 2.5Gbps WAN port, which I have not seen on any other 5G routers out there. How do you think the Nighthawk M6 Pro (MR6450) would fare against Teltonika RUTX50? Because I might consider myself getting one if the speed is better.
Unfortunately I don't think the speed of the X50 will be better. The focus on the product design is around the whole setup, i.e. security etc. You may want to test how long it takes to do a big data transfer when testing devices...I think the results would differ if you tested actual performance rather than just speedtest.net. I still want to do this test myself at some point and put the results on TH-cam.
Hi! I’m considering getting a teltonika for my home internet. I’m wondering how the data usage is used for the SIM card in the device. Would my computer connected to the teltonika use the SIM cards hotspot data or does it use regular data? Thanks!
Hi David just purchased RUTx50 and Poynting 7 in 1 after watching your videos and thanks. Could do with a bit of help does it matter which of the LTE antenna cables on the Poynting go on which of the mobile connections or does it not matter ? Also tried to set up the GPS, I’ve downloaded the Teltonika GPS app onto my iPad. I’ve tried every device name under the sun and all I get is invalid parameters can you help Steve
Hi Steve. It does not matter which port of the LTE / 5G goes where. I have now been told that all 5G 4x4 ports are equal. On the GPS, I will reach out to Teltonika for some guidance.
I'm pretty sure that in some cases when you have strong 5G signal, the built in WiFi5 in RUTX50 is going to be a bottleneck and you'd get better speeds with separate WiFi6 or WiFi6E access point that supports lot faster WiFi speeds. RUTX50 uses WiFi 5 and its max theoretical speed is 867mbps, which you can halve as practical max speeds are half of the theoretical max. With strong 5G signal RUTX50's 5G modem should be capable of reaching close to 1gbps speed and in practice its WiFi is only capable of under 450mbps speeds so yeah... Trying with separate access point like EAP650 you should get at least 600mbps over WiFi with 2x2 WiFi6 configuration. If your device supports WiFi6's 160mhz channel width, then practical max would be 1200mbps (theoretical 2400mbps), of course limited to 1000mbps by the 1gbps port. Of course another and more straightforward way to remedy RUTX50's WiFi5 bottleneck is by simply using the device with physical ethernet connection so you get the full 1gbps then.
Indeed, there are many ways to get the best (or better) connections, and now that the speeds of the cellular connection is comparable to the WiFi and LAN speeds the bottleneck situation needs to be taken into account. In the past (3G and early 4G days) this was never an issue.
Hi, not sure if the RUTX50 is approved for use in the US yet. It took a long time to get the full approval in Europe and Australia (only completed 2months ago)
Wow, that was a really cool speed test! We're glad you enjoyed it too!
Interesting video David! Some limited experience that I have with 4G/5G routers with integrated antennas (built into the sealed router enclosure).. even if they have external antenna ports, they sometimes have limited functionality on these external ports - A popular LTE/4G router we tested did support LTE/4G on the internal antennas but only exposed 2G/3G to the external ports, making the external ports somewhat redundant. Another 4x4 MIMO router we tested had two external ports, and when connecting external antennas, it would disable the internal antennas completely - making it only a 2x2 MIMO router. With that configuration, I would have thought that the manufacturer could have used the two external antennas plus two internal antennas to maintain 4x4 MIMO (or even better to have had 4 external ports).. I therefore like your comment to look at a router with external antenna ports as it demystifies what is happening in the sealed box.
Stephen, your insight into these routers is always much appreciated !!!
It's a bit like the software term WYSIWYG...what you see is what you get (with the new 5G Router)
Hello David, a few questions that i hope you can help me with. I live in Darwin where only 4g is available, I can only use a portable router and I am with Telstra. Judging off your videos of the teltonika devices they are superior to the M6 which would be my other option as I am with Telstra. I would have to keep the router inside due to Darwin weather. would it more beneficial to get the RUT950 for inside use or the m6? I would be using a ethernet cable the whole time and leave it on mains power as I don't intend to do much traveling with it. Also would the antennas still be beneficial for either device inside? Great video as always this was very informative looking forward to more in the future cheers!
Mmm, tricky question. Not because it's a hard one, but the way you describe the scenario and ask the question I'm thinking a few things here.
Not sure if you meant to type RUT950 or RUTX50? The 950 is a good Cat4 dual-SIM router, and the X50 as discussed in this video is the new 5G router. If you wanted 5G and future proof I would really recommend the X50 over the M6. If you want to see why, feel free to check out the video we did on why there's a difference between consumer and industrial grade (see th-cam.com/video/PLAc6q3C4oM/w-d-xo.html)
However, if you were indeed asking about the 950, and you consider a single SIM-card and Ethernet connection I would actually drop it down to the RUT240 since that's a great modem, same speeds and been around a lot so very reliable. Still can do speeds better than NBN so I would not fault it. It will be very capable of handling the harsher environments.
Hi quick question but can the Rutx50 use both SIM cards at the same time and load balance between them or are the two sims just for fail over or using two carriers? Great video too
Hi Matthew. The two SIM cards are running on the same modem, so they are for fail-over purposes. The RUTX12 has two dedicated modems and can run two 4G services at the same time (but not 5G)
would the rutx50 5G external antennas increase signal strength from indoors? my nighhawk m6pro gets only 2 bars where its currently located only about a meter from a large window. Yet if i sit the modem in the window ledge i get nearly 5 total bars?
Yes, I would be so bold to indeed say the antennas of the RUTX50 would outperform the NightHawk internal antennas hands-down. I have seen that during my initial tests before I made the actual video contents.
hi I have ordered the RUTX50 with the new directional Poynting antenna but will be using my Poynting mimo-3-15 most of the time but it only has 2 antenna connection. so with the 2 spare can you use the 2 standard antenna that the RUTX50 come with and will it help?
Yes, using a mix of external and internal antennas is still better than using the routers that only has two external antennas without anything else. As long as there is something (prefer 2, but even 1 is better than nothing) it will benefit the system. Off-course, 4 outside is always the best :)
Hi! Nice speedtest and very informative.
Do you think it will work here in the Philippines? Thanks
Yes, it should
I got myself a Nighthawk M6 Pro (MR6450) a few weeks back because I thought it could deliver a high amount speed just like my phone (Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4) could. But boy was I wrong. And the main reason I bought the Nighthawk was because I got 920 mbit/down on speedtest using my phone. So I thought a mobile router could deliver atleast the same amount if not more. And not to mention that the Nighthawk has a 2.5Gbps WAN port, which I have not seen on any other 5G routers out there. How do you think the Nighthawk M6 Pro (MR6450) would fare against Teltonika RUTX50? Because I might consider myself getting one if the speed is better.
Unfortunately I don't think the speed of the X50 will be better. The focus on the product design is around the whole setup, i.e. security etc. You may want to test how long it takes to do a big data transfer when testing devices...I think the results would differ if you tested actual performance rather than just speedtest.net. I still want to do this test myself at some point and put the results on TH-cam.
Hi! I’m considering getting a teltonika for my home internet. I’m wondering how the data usage is used for the SIM card in the device. Would my computer connected to the teltonika use the SIM cards hotspot data or does it use regular data? Thanks!
The modem would use the data on the SIM-card plan...so that'll be your internet use limit
Hi David just purchased RUTx50 and Poynting 7 in 1 after watching your videos and thanks. Could do with a bit of help does it matter which of the LTE antenna cables on the Poynting go on which of the mobile connections or does it not matter ? Also tried to set up the GPS, I’ve downloaded the Teltonika GPS app onto my iPad. I’ve tried every device name under the sun and all I get is invalid parameters can you help Steve
Hi Steve. It does not matter which port of the LTE / 5G goes where. I have now been told that all 5G 4x4 ports are equal.
On the GPS, I will reach out to Teltonika for some guidance.
I'm pretty sure that in some cases when you have strong 5G signal, the built in WiFi5 in RUTX50 is going to be a bottleneck and you'd get better speeds with separate WiFi6 or WiFi6E access point that supports lot faster WiFi speeds. RUTX50 uses WiFi 5 and its max theoretical speed is 867mbps, which you can halve as practical max speeds are half of the theoretical max. With strong 5G signal RUTX50's 5G modem should be capable of reaching close to 1gbps speed and in practice its WiFi is only capable of under 450mbps speeds so yeah... Trying with separate access point like EAP650 you should get at least 600mbps over WiFi with 2x2 WiFi6 configuration. If your device supports WiFi6's 160mhz channel width, then practical max would be 1200mbps (theoretical 2400mbps), of course limited to 1000mbps by the 1gbps port. Of course another and more straightforward way to remedy RUTX50's WiFi5 bottleneck is by simply using the device with physical ethernet connection so you get the full 1gbps then.
Indeed, there are many ways to get the best (or better) connections, and now that the speeds of the cellular connection is comparable to the WiFi and LAN speeds the bottleneck situation needs to be taken into account. In the past (3G and early 4G days) this was never an issue.
Does this work in the USA?
Hi, not sure if the RUTX50 is approved for use in the US yet. It took a long time to get the full approval in Europe and Australia (only completed 2months ago)