*Timestamps:* (to be contd...) 00:00 - The Taymiyyan Project 00:30 - Choosing a Methodology of Engagement 04:18 - His Own Explanation 06:31 - Taymiyyan Epistemology 12:10 - Egalitarian? 14:34 - The Place of Ilham 17:12 - The Fitrah Philosopher 21:31 - Reason's Place 26:53 - Reason vs Revelation 27:52 - Taymiyyan Ontology: Nominalism 33:17 - Taymiyyan Ontology vs Aristotelian 36:33 - Taymiyyan Hermeneutics
@@BloggingTheology Salam Paul, highly beneficial as always, mashaAllah💪🏼. Just a side point, there is an old school researcher and long time student of Shaykh Al-Albani named Jalal Abualrub who specialized on the person of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and wrote a 500 page book from an historical, biographical, theological and (geo-)political perspective which addresses Muslim and non-Muslim academia.
@@BloggingTheology Can you prove al lah is ged. Simple question, - Is the word of al lah a PURE LANGUAGE, that can cleanse man's soul? - Does al la have a beginning?
This was a highly technical overview but was truly beneficial once you have the prerequisite knowledge to understand the discussion. Excellent presentation as always.
This was the most clear and comprehensive course on the various philosophical difference the ummah faces today and how Ibn Taymiyyah seemed to, through clear proofs and definitions, reconcile differences. At least this is one aspect of what I understood from the entire lecture. I especially love the takeaways, that we should assume the best of our opponents basically and not demonize them which seems to be so prevalent in debate circles.
MashaAllah. May Allah reward the two of tou immensely. May Allah shower the illustrious Mujadid Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyya with his mercy. Fantastic survey of the theology of the sheikh.
@@hasanrazza1 Oh yes, he would be brilliant! Or perhaps Shaykh Sa’id Foudeh or Sheikh Hassan Spiker. Or even Sheikh Asrar Rashid as brother Paul has already met and spoke with him, also Dr Safaruk Chowdhury
@@hasanrazza1 Not a fan of ur edit bro, about the “70th Ibn Taymiyyah رحمه الله video” tbh brother. We should appreciate Paul putting out such quality material with high level scholarship featuring as guests
Excellent presentation, jazakumullah khayran A side note: the presentation was clear but using some parables would simplify the complex issues a great deal
Keep going with these videos, don't even give attention to negative comments. May Allah bless one of the biggest scholars of our history Ibn Tamiya. We need more videos to learn about him and to learn from him
I think Dr Hatem should break down and explain these terms better so it could be digested better. He explains things quite quickly and doesn't pause! Paul should also ask more questions. Unless it's just me that is perplexed at some points of his talk!
He did mention that it was a video for those who are familiar with the general discussions when it come to the Ashai'rah and 'aqeedah beliefs. If someone barely knows about those beliefs, they shouldn't watch this video in the first place and instead watch the basic first because lots of the points assumed prior knowledge else if this video was explained throughly it would've necessitated more than 100 videos because this is not a simple issue.
Whatever you want to say, atleast the Sheikh wasn't polemical like other discourses, being an Ashari sympathizer myself 👍. We can disagree, but can still have a discussion
So many upset Asharis and then they accuse "salafi" for having a save-sect-syndrom while they are actually the one with this syndrom. And when people say Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah are not from Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'ah they start crying. However they are the first to say that Ibn Taymiyyah and his students were either Kuffar or Mubtadiah and outside of Ahlul Sunnah. Ashari's have also many extremist people in their community. Very fanatic
Thé asharis are thé worse sect in Islam, especially today, I’m speaking on its adherents specifically they have no shame, I know them very well, my whole family ashari sufis. These ppl lie lie lie day and night with 0 shame.
The Prophet (pbuh) said: My Ummah will never agree on error. He(pbuh) also said: "Verily, the Hand of Allah is with the united community, for Satan is with one who secedes from the community, running after him". The overwhelming body of scholars rejected Ibn Taymiyya's views. Sure, he repented towards the end of his life but whatever his mistakes were, it's better to keep it to the confines of academia and scholarship.
@@-Ahmed8592 all scholars of the 4 schools were against Kalam and Alashari/Almaturidi were not even born. Most Hadith Scholars whether new or old are against the Kalam schools (Bukhari/Muslim/Tirmithi/Abu Dawood/ Addarimi... Etc.) The biggest and earliest Muffasseroon were against Kalam (Altabari/Ibn Katheer/etc. ) Some Scholars did get influenced by the aristotelian philosophy but we look at the earliest generations and they all agreed upon being against it.
After the two hour mark, the sheikh mentions ibn Taymiya's idea about events without beginning. How is this idea different than ibn Rushd's rationalization of ibn Sina's idea of the eternality of the universe. As I understand it, ibn Rushd says God is eternally creating the universe. Sounds the same.
@Adam.107 This was ibn Rushd's position that he elucidated in his book incoherence of the incoherence in response to Ghazali's incoherence of the philosophers.
@@Adam10412 what about the infinite regress problem of the universes ? I mean if before this current universe there was always another universes created one after another, then this would mean the current universe could not be existing. What is the answer on this?
Assalamu alykkum brother Paul. Please invite brother Jerry Coghlan in your channel to talk about the history of religion and hidden history of Monotheism.
1:39:40 This whole thing is such a rediculous semantic argument... at the end of the day your interpreting things metaphorically just like the Asharis do. Its just a different articulation. This slide literally agrees with everything the Asharis claim. The issue is not affirmation or non-affirmation, its literal or metaphorical interpretation. As you said, due to the nature of language we are all forced to interpret it metaphorically, you just take an extra half mile and contort yourself into a pretzel in order to do so while still "not going outside the boundaries of what the salaf said." We all agree its just the way in which we articulate which is different.
Hatem al-Haj is just another Salafi/Wahhabi Takfiri Jihadie Ideology mentality propagandist, who is trying his best to push forward the theology of Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah. But he will not fool, the Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah scholars and Muslims who are following the Aqeedah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) his Sahaba and the Tabi'ien and Tab'i Tab'ien until Yaumul al-Qiyamah. • Neither Ibn Taimiyya nor his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah belong to the true Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, or to their school of thought. • The school of thought of the Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, is entirely represented and contained in the scholars of the schools of law, their methods, and their Imams. (Madh-haab, pl. Madhaahib: a legal method or school of law in Islam. The major schools of law include the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Ja'fari school of law / Madh-haab). • Those who belong to that collective school of thought are the Saved Group who follow mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah; the Sunnis; the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Congregation of Muslims. • Those who contradict the belief of that group (Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah) and oppose them in their writings, such as these two scholars (Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah) and their Wahhabi and "Salafi" subscribers in later times ,are outside mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and even farther from the school of Salaf al-Saliheen ,the pious predecessors, and whose roof and dooms where built by the Khalaf al-Sadiqeen, the truthful successors up to the present age. • Recommended Books of Sound Doctrine -Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine volume 1 By shaykh Muhammad Hisham kabbani -The Creed made Easy By shaykh Mahmoud Abul Huda al-Husainy -A Commentary upon the Creed of Imam al-Dardir Translation and Commentary by Siddiq Adam Mitha -A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed The Foundational Proofs By shaykh Sa'id Foudah -The Differences Between the Ash'aris and Maturidis By Imam Shams al-Din Ahmad ibn Sulayman Kamal Pasha -Ahl Sunnah the Ash'aris By shaykh Hamad al-Sinan and shaykh Fawzi al-'Anjari -Notions that must be Corrected Arabic titel: Mafahim Yajib an tusahhah By shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani -A Critique of the Palmyran Creed Deconstructing ibn Taimiyya's theology of resemblance By shaykh Sa'id Foudah -The Refutation of him [ Ibn Taimiyya] who attributes direction to Allah al-Raddu 'alaa Man Qaala bil-Jiha By Ibn Jahbal al-Kilaabi Introduction shaykh Wahbi Sulayman Ghawji Translation and Notes Gibril Fouad Haddad
There was an equal share of rational / scholastic theology throughout the 6 hours. I’d say may be even more so than the Athari one. I hope you really watched the whole thing.
@@BloggingTheology It seems that - unfortunately - some folks either didn't listen attentively or totally ignored these in-depth talks and instead of trying to understand Ibn Taymiyyah's view & responses to objections, they just repeat the same tropes and even takfir ("He's a Mujassim") him, sadly. Please continue with the variety of material as always.😁
@@BloggingTheology In Bayan Talbis al Jahmiya ibn Taymiyya says that to say it is impossible for Allah to be divisible is wrong. He also says it is possible for Allah to settle in place and have composition. You can also read ibn Jawzi's book translated by your guest Abdullah bin Hamid Ali and the ibn Jahbal al Kalbis refutation of ibn Taymiyyah also available in English translation.
It is the height of irony that ibn Taymiyyah considered himself an Athari. Atharis claim that creed (aqida) should be simple and should be the apparent meaning of the texts. Any Athari would be mortified if he had to resort to philosophy and hours of exposition to explain his position as they believe in the apparent meaning even if its anthromorphic. They have spent centuries criticizing others for using logic and they almost consider philosophy as blasphemy, when here comes their defender using philosophy to explain his positions!
Hatem al-Haj is just another Salafi/Wahhabi Takfiri Jihadie Ideology mentality propagandist, who is trying his best to push forward the theology of Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah. But he will not fool, the Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah scholars and Muslims who are following the Aqeedah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) his Sahaba and the Tabi'ien and Tab'i Tab'ien until Yaumul al-Qiyamah. • Neither Ibn Taimiyya nor his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah belong to the true Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, or to their school of thought. • The school of thought of the Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, is entirely represented and contained in the scholars of the schools of law, their methods, and their Imams. (Madh-haab, pl. Madhaahib: a legal method or school of law in Islam. The major schools of law include the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Ja'fari school of law / Madh-haab). • Those who belong to that collective school of thought are the Saved Group who follow mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah; the Sunnis; the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Congregation of Muslims. • Those who contradict the belief of that group (Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah) and oppose them in their writings, such as these two scholars (Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah) and their Wahhabi and "Salafi" subscribers in later times ,are outside mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and even farther from the school of Salaf al-Saliheen ,the pious predecessors, and whose roof and dooms where built by the Khalaf al-Sadiqeen, the truthful successors up to the present age. • Recommended Books of Sound Doctrine -Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine volume 1 By shaykh Muhammad Hisham kabbani -The Creed made Easy By shaykh Mahmoud Abul Huda al-Husainy -A Commentary upon the Creed of Imam al-Dardir Translation and Commentary by Siddiq Adam Mitha -A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed The Foundational Proofs By shaykh Sa'id Foudah -The Differences Between the Ash'aris and Maturidis By Imam Shams al-Din Ahmad ibn Sulayman Kamal Pasha -Ahl Sunnah the Ash'aris By shaykh Hamad al-Sinan and shaykh Fawzi al-'Anjari -Notions that must be Corrected Arabic titel: Mafahim Yajib an tusahhah By shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani -A Critique of the Palmyran Creed Deconstructing ibn Taimiyya's theology of resemblance By shaykh Sa'id Foudah -The Refutation of him [ Ibn Taimiyya] who attributes direction to Allah al-Raddu 'alaa Man Qaala bil-Jiha By Ibn Jahbal al-Kilaabi Introduction shaykh Wahbi Sulayman Ghawji Translation and Notes Gibril Fouad Haddad
ibn Tamiyyah is self contradictory.. he will say things like at "hands" not refer to limbs in one place and say something opposite in another like we accept the outward meaning of "yad" (hand).. selective quoting by al Haj.
Do yourself a favor and watch the video before ranting about Shaykhul-Islam on multiple comments. Shaykh Hatem addresses so much of what you’re writing about that you come across like a partisan Ash’ari who’s not even open-minded enough to hear the arguments being made.
I have read Dr. Hajs book cover to cover on this issue. He argues how tafwid and tawil are both not the Taymiyan and Hanbali position (and hence the not the most correct position). So what should one do if not tafwid? He writes a confusing discussion for 2 or so pages that endorses the "dhahir". He contradicts other major hanbalis who clearly accepted tafwid. @@KnightofPower
@@amanthinks374And yet you’re seeking out videos on Ibn Taymiyyah to rant, making partisan points that Sh. Hatem has addressed? Maybe you should read the books again, and at minimum watch the two videos before commenting below it. I don’t think you realize how much you’re just harming the image of your own side when you very clearly haven’t heard or taken into account what the video itself is saying.
This was quite informative, but why complicate a simple concept like that? Tauheed is easy. We are only required to acknowledge that the Creator is One, and there's no way creation can comprehend everything about Him. We only know what He Himself has told us. The purpose of our creation is to recognize His Magnificene. Not to figure out what His hands look like n what does it mean that He ascends or descends the throne. This is beyond our scope n has nothing to do with the requirements of iman. God knows how many universes are out there that are full of the wonders of His creations that are nothing like us, but we want to fit Him into this tiny box of our very limited human understanding which is mostly based on our 5 senses. There is no way we can do that. Only He knows Who He is. Our job is to believe in Him n to work on developing a character that is reflective of His sifaat, n that's all that matters. May He have mercy on people and scholars who spend their lifetime worrying and debating about these irrelevant details. For simple laymen like myself, the knowledge that He made me n to Him is my return is all I need.
He reeaally avoids a lot of Ibn Taymiyyah's more problematic quotes and opinions here... much like the Ibn Abdul-Wahhab video. Not saying its all incorrect but if your going to coversomething you gotta cover the controversial aspects too...
Yes , I agree with you . Very cleverly avoided. Such as Ibn Kathir was his student in early days for 10 years and then later he separated from his idealogy . Salafis claim that Ibn Kathir considered him Shaykul Islam
The athari school has had it's say it's only fair that the mathuridi/ashari schools have their respective experts on theology have their say?!? The true hanbalis school is alus Sunnah
Theology is the study of an invisible, unknowable being that is beyond human comprehension. Theologians write and lecture about the deity's gender, his qualities and what he expects from his creations.
According to some (ibn Batuta and ibn Hajar al Asqalani in al Durar al Kaamina) he descended his pulpit as an example of God's descent.. ibn Taymiyya does have correct statements in his works as well which is what confused some scholars who didn't read the entirety of his writings... Maybe he did it to avoid being sent to prison, or to gain acceptance. The video avoids quoting the problematic passages.
@@Khaldunii Dr. al Haj is perhaps not aware that ibn Hajar al Asqalani also reported a similar incident via a student of ibn Taymiyya in his book al Durar al Kaamina. ibn Hajar al Asqlani is a reliable scholar according to everyone!
@@amanthinks374 Hatem al-Haj is just another Salafi/Wahhabi Takfiri Jihadie Ideology mentality propagandist, who is trying his best to push forward the theology of Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah. But he will not fool, the Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah scholars and Muslims who are following the Aqeedah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) his Sahaba and the Tabi'ien and Tab'i Tab'ien until Yaumul al-Qiyamah. • Neither Ibn Taimiyya nor his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah belong to the true Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, or to their school of thought. • The school of thought of the Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, is entirely represented and contained in the scholars of the schools of law, their methods, and their Imams. (Madh-haab, pl. Madhaahib: a legal method or school of law in Islam. The major schools of law include the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Ja'fari school of law / Madh-haab). • Those who belong to that collective school of thought are the Saved Group who follow mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah; the Sunnis; the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Congregation of Muslims. • Those who contradict the belief of that group (Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah) and oppose them in their writings, such as these two scholars (Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah) and their Wahhabi and "Salafi" subscribers in later times ,are outside mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and even farther from the school of Salaf al-Saliheen ,the pious predecessors, and whose roof and dooms where built by the Khalaf al-Sadiqeen, the truthful successors up to the present age. • Recommended Books of Sound Doctrine -Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine volume 1 By shaykh Muhammad Hisham kabbani -The Creed made Easy By shaykh Mahmoud Abul Huda al-Husainy -A Commentary upon the Creed of Imam al-Dardir Translation and Commentary by Siddiq Adam Mitha -A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed The Foundational Proofs By shaykh Sa'id Foudah -The Differences Between the Ash'aris and Maturidis By Imam Shams al-Din Ahmad ibn Sulayman Kamal Pasha -Ahl Sunnah the Ash'aris By shaykh Hamad al-Sinan and shaykh Fawzi al-'Anjari -Notions that must be Corrected Arabic titel: Mafahim Yajib an tusahhah By shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani -A Critique of the Palmyran Creed Deconstructing ibn Taimiyya's theology of resemblance By shaykh Sa'id Foudah -The Refutation of him [ Ibn Taimiyya] who attributes direction to Allah al-Raddu 'alaa Man Qaala bil-Jiha By Ibn Jahbal al-Kilaabi Introduction shaykh Wahbi Sulayman Ghawji Translation and Notes Gibril Fouad Haddad
@@amanthinks374 Imam In Hajar al-'Asqalâni (d. 852/1449) said, "The fame and renown of Shaykh Taqiy al-Deen as an imam is clearer than the sun, and giving him the title of Shaykh al-Islam in his era remains until our time upon the righteous tongues. It will continue tomorrow just as it was yesterday. No one refutes this but one who is ignorant of his lofty status or one who turns away from justice."
@@Khaldunii Ibn Hajar quotes several scholars with different stances on ibn Taymiyya in al Durar al Kamina. That sounds like him quoting someone else. Please post original source. Many scholars who held a balanced or favorable view of ibn Taymiyyah did so on the basis of many correct and beneficial things in his writings. However most of those who read him in detail acknowledge the gross errors he fell into. This is why many scholars feel only scholars should read his works as they can avoid the errors and benefit from the good.
I learn nothing After watching this series, i now fully understand why ibn taimiyyah regrets. Shaikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said at the end of his life: ”I regret losing most of my time in other than studying the meanings (or explanations) of the Qur’aan.” If you read my comment, then stay away from philosophy, or trying to refute philosophy, its not worth your time
Not your fault.. the speaker is doing huge mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible .. ibn Taymiyyah spent his life in enmity of Asharis and used philosophy to try to prove them wrong in the process digging holes for all those who try to follow him...
@@udaramalam7348 yes akhi but ibn taymiyyah was the first hanbali scholars who read the books of the asha'irah and the philosophers and refuted them. The Hanabilah usually just boycotted them and even forbid to read their books. So if you actually ready any Aqeedah Books of Ahlul Sunnah, its automatically a refutation against Jahmiyya, Mu'tazilah, Kullabiyah, Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah. Our scholars always wrote books for a reason. However the best who refuted the other Aqa'id was Sheikhul Islam ibn Taymiyyah. He read all books of the salaf and the philosophers. Noone did that before him. Allah chose him to bring back the aqeedah of ahlul sunnah wal jamaah, alhamdulillah.
*Timestamps:* (to be contd...)
00:00 - The Taymiyyan Project
00:30 - Choosing a Methodology of Engagement
04:18 - His Own Explanation
06:31 - Taymiyyan Epistemology
12:10 - Egalitarian?
14:34 - The Place of Ilham
17:12 - The Fitrah Philosopher
21:31 - Reason's Place
26:53 - Reason vs Revelation
27:52 - Taymiyyan Ontology: Nominalism
33:17 - Taymiyyan Ontology vs Aristotelian
36:33 - Taymiyyan Hermeneutics
Many thanks SAAiD!
*Remaining Timestamps:*
38:55 - Relations b/w Utterances & Meanings
45:07 - Taymiyyan Hermeneutics (2)
49:14 - Atharis who accept the Haqiqah & Majaz distinction
50:19 - Taymiyyan Hermeneutics (3)
53:57 - Taymiyyan Hermeneutics: Shared Measure
56:31 - Taymiyyan Hermeneutics: Distinct Measure
57:44 - Assimilation
1:04:08 - Taymiyyan Responses - Denial of Tajseem
1:07:59 - Ibn Taymiyyah's Anti-Anti-Corporealism - Why?
1:10:28 - Taymiyyan Responses - Terminological Shifts
1:11:33 - Corporealism & Jismiyyah & the Obsession of Anti-Corporealism
1:14:39 - Corporealism - Concerns of Speculative Theology
1:18:21 - Rejection of the "Necessary" Concomitants
1:20:50 - Composition (Tarkeeb)
1:22:27 - Taymiyyan Responses - Divisibility
1:23:28 - Taymiyyan Responses - Composition of Parts & Appendages
1:24:30 - Taymiyyan Responses - Aboveness & the Broken links to Tajseem
1:28:07 - Taymiyyan Responses - Direction & Space
1:29:35 - Taymiyyan Responses - Descent & Concomitants
1:31:51 - Taymiyyan Responses - Need
1:32:38 - Taymiyyan Responses - Examples
1:34:55 - So, What did He mean by the Hands?
1:39:40 - But What is the Benefit of Affirmation?
1:40:57 - Translation
1:43:46 - The Supervening of Events in the Divine Ipseity
1:45:37 - Difficulty of Explaining Change in Aristotelian Philosophy
@@BloggingTheology asalamaykom Paul. I think you would enjoy this following video. Did you know about this. th-cam.com/video/-iC_RwLrJW0/w-d-xo.html
@@BloggingTheology Salam Paul, highly beneficial as always, mashaAllah💪🏼.
Just a side point, there is an old school researcher and long time student of Shaykh Al-Albani named Jalal Abualrub who specialized on the person of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and wrote a 500 page book from an historical, biographical, theological and (geo-)political perspective which addresses Muslim and non-Muslim academia.
@@BloggingTheology
Can you prove al lah is ged.
Simple question,
- Is the word of al lah a PURE LANGUAGE, that can cleanse man's soul?
- Does al la have a beginning?
This was a highly technical overview but was truly beneficial once you have the prerequisite knowledge to understand the discussion. Excellent presentation as always.
This was the most clear and comprehensive course on the various philosophical difference the ummah faces today and how Ibn Taymiyyah seemed to, through clear proofs and definitions, reconcile differences. At least this is one aspect of what I understood from the entire lecture. I especially love the takeaways, that we should assume the best of our opponents basically and not demonize them which seems to be so prevalent in debate circles.
MashaAllah. May Allah reward the two of tou immensely. May Allah shower the illustrious Mujadid Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyya with his mercy.
Fantastic survey of the theology of the sheikh.
Masha'Allah a brilliant synopsis.
Many thanks Hussain!
Please bring on a guest to speak about Ash’ari theology Paul I think it would be of great benefit!
@@hasanrazza1 Oh yes, he would be brilliant! Or perhaps Shaykh Sa’id Foudeh or Sheikh Hassan Spiker. Or even Sheikh Asrar Rashid as brother Paul has already met and spoke with him, also Dr Safaruk Chowdhury
We good thanks
@@hasanrazza1 Not a fan of ur edit bro, about the “70th Ibn Taymiyyah رحمه الله video” tbh brother. We should appreciate Paul putting out such quality material with high level scholarship featuring as guests
@@hasanrazza1 post this comment again on main comment many times may be he will read.
Triggered
Subhanallah there is a lot packed in here that I would need to slowly digest. I have to keep coming back to this video to get another perspective
Can’t wait until you have a discussion about Imam Al-Ghazali رحمه الله one ان شاء الله, his story is famous across the Muslim world!
If I follow the scholar Ibnu Rush, these two are equally great. Ibnu Rush is more concerned with reason, while Al Gajali is too orthodox
hope he shows his old blasphemous sufi beliefs
MashaAllah ❤❤ May Allah be pleased with Ibn Taymiyah and with us.
Aameen aameen yarabbal aalameen
Excellent presentation, jazakumullah khayran
A side note: the presentation was clear but using some parables would simplify the complex issues a great deal
Agree
Keep going with these videos, don't even give attention to negative comments. May Allah bless one of the biggest scholars of our history Ibn Tamiya. We need more videos to learn about him and to learn from him
“Ibn Taymiyyah on Trial in Damascus” (1994) by Dr. Sherman Jackson is a great account of his trial by one of the most erudite Islamic Scholars
I think Dr Hatem should break down and explain these terms better so it could be digested better. He explains things quite quickly and doesn't pause! Paul should also ask more questions. Unless it's just me that is perplexed at some points of his talk!
Agreed
He did mention that it was a video for those who are familiar with the general discussions when it come to the Ashai'rah and 'aqeedah beliefs. If someone barely knows about those beliefs, they shouldn't watch this video in the first place and instead watch the basic first because lots of the points assumed prior knowledge else if this video was explained throughly it would've necessitated more than 100 videos because this is not a simple issue.
Whatever you want to say, atleast the Sheikh wasn't polemical like other discourses, being an Ashari sympathizer myself 👍. We can disagree, but can still have a discussion
So many upset Asharis and then they accuse "salafi" for having a save-sect-syndrom while they are actually the one with this syndrom. And when people say Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah are not from Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'ah they start crying. However they are the first to say that Ibn Taymiyyah and his students were either Kuffar or Mubtadiah and outside of Ahlul Sunnah. Ashari's have also many extremist people in their community. Very fanatic
ppl? 🤣
it's spelled bedouins.
you are dumber than a rock, kid.
the dumbest ashari is smarter than the najdi cult. 🤣
Thé asharis are thé worse sect in Islam, especially today, I’m speaking on its adherents specifically they have no shame, I know them very well, my whole family ashari sufis. These ppl lie lie lie day and night with 0 shame.
Subhanallah, you are on a roll with these videos. One gem after another.
Yes G.F Haddad would be good
The Prophet (pbuh) said: My Ummah will never agree on error. He(pbuh) also said: "Verily, the Hand of Allah is with the united community, for Satan is with one who secedes from the community, running after him". The overwhelming body of scholars rejected Ibn Taymiyya's views. Sure, he repented towards the end of his life but whatever his mistakes were, it's better to keep it to the confines of academia and scholarship.
🤣 The majority of ummah don't even know what asharism or maturidism is.. The majority of Muslims are upon the fitrah not indulging in Kalam stuff
@@abuhuraira1 How about the majority of the scholars, the majority of the Hanafis, Shafi'is and Malikis
@@-Ahmed8592 all scholars of the 4 schools were against Kalam and Alashari/Almaturidi were not even born.
Most Hadith Scholars whether new or old are against the Kalam schools (Bukhari/Muslim/Tirmithi/Abu Dawood/ Addarimi... Etc.)
The biggest and earliest Muffasseroon were against Kalam (Altabari/Ibn Katheer/etc. )
Some Scholars did get influenced by the aristotelian philosophy but we look at the earliest generations and they all agreed upon being against it.
@@abuhuraira1 you are a stupid fugg
@@abuhuraira1 lmao, the majority only knows ashari n maturidi creed, dumbfck. 🤣
After the two hour mark, the sheikh mentions ibn Taymiya's idea about events without beginning. How is this idea different than ibn Rushd's rationalization of ibn Sina's idea of the eternality of the universe. As I understand it, ibn Rushd says God is eternally creating the universe. Sounds the same.
No. The falsifã said that the universe is eternal alongside of Allah whilst Ibn Taymiyyah said that Allah is perpetually creating
@Adam.107 This was ibn Rushd's position that he elucidated in his book incoherence of the incoherence in response to Ghazali's incoherence of the philosophers.
@@Adam10412 what about the infinite regress problem of the universes ? I mean if before this current universe there was always another universes created one after another, then this would mean the current universe could not be existing. What is the answer on this?
Assalamu alykkum brother Paul.
Please invite brother Jerry Coghlan in your channel to talk about the history of religion and hidden history of Monotheism.
Thanks for the free pdf slide, although i have most of his books, a nice summary like this help a lot for a non-academic like me
Glad it was helpful!
A believer does not lie. Be careful.
jazakallah khair brother paul.
1:39:40
This whole thing is such a rediculous semantic argument... at the end of the day your interpreting things metaphorically just like the Asharis do. Its just a different articulation. This slide literally agrees with everything the Asharis claim. The issue is not affirmation or non-affirmation, its literal or metaphorical interpretation. As you said, due to the nature of language we are all forced to interpret it metaphorically, you just take an extra half mile and contort yourself into a pretzel in order to do so while still "not going outside the boundaries of what the salaf said." We all agree its just the way in which we articulate which is different.
We better get 6 hours on Sunni rational theology :)
Hatem al-Haj is just another Salafi/Wahhabi Takfiri Jihadie Ideology mentality propagandist, who is trying his best to push forward the theology of Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah.
But he will not fool, the Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah scholars and Muslims who are following the Aqeedah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) his Sahaba and the Tabi'ien and Tab'i Tab'ien until Yaumul al-Qiyamah.
• Neither Ibn Taimiyya nor his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah belong to the true Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, or to their school of thought.
• The school of thought of the Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, is entirely represented and contained in the scholars of the schools of law, their methods, and their Imams. (Madh-haab, pl. Madhaahib: a legal method or school of law in Islam.
The major schools of law include the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Ja'fari school of law / Madh-haab).
• Those who belong to that collective school of thought are the Saved Group who follow mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah; the Sunnis; the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Congregation of Muslims.
• Those who contradict the belief of that group (Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah) and oppose them in their writings, such as these two scholars (Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah) and their Wahhabi and "Salafi" subscribers in later times ,are outside mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and even farther from the school of Salaf al-Saliheen ,the pious predecessors, and whose roof and dooms where built by the Khalaf al-Sadiqeen, the truthful successors up to the present age.
• Recommended Books of Sound Doctrine
-Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine volume 1
By shaykh Muhammad Hisham kabbani
-The Creed made Easy
By shaykh Mahmoud Abul Huda al-Husainy
-A Commentary upon the Creed of Imam al-Dardir
Translation and Commentary by Siddiq Adam Mitha
-A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed
The Foundational Proofs
By shaykh Sa'id Foudah
-The Differences Between the Ash'aris and Maturidis
By Imam Shams al-Din Ahmad ibn Sulayman Kamal Pasha
-Ahl Sunnah the Ash'aris
By shaykh Hamad al-Sinan
and shaykh Fawzi al-'Anjari
-Notions that must be Corrected
Arabic titel: Mafahim Yajib an tusahhah
By shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani
-A Critique of the Palmyran Creed
Deconstructing ibn Taimiyya's theology of resemblance
By shaykh Sa'id Foudah
-The Refutation of him [ Ibn Taimiyya] who attributes direction to Allah
al-Raddu 'alaa Man Qaala bil-Jiha
By Ibn Jahbal al-Kilaabi
Introduction shaykh Wahbi Sulayman Ghawji
Translation and Notes Gibril Fouad Haddad
Brother Paul is an Athari himself.
But yes, it would be nice to hear other perspectives on the channel as well to some degree.
There was an equal share of rational / scholastic theology throughout the 6 hours. I’d say may be even more so than the Athari one. I hope you really watched the whole thing.
@Adnan Mukhtar I think what he intended was a video specifically regarding Ash'ari aqidah.
@@Abbas-obq Wow I didn't know. When did he mention that he is Athari.
Oh God the mental gymnastics Dr. al Haj does to defend the one who said God has limits and sides and is in a direction
... May Allah guide him.
Where did he said that?
@@BloggingTheology It seems that - unfortunately - some folks either didn't listen attentively or totally ignored these in-depth talks and instead of trying to understand Ibn Taymiyyah's view & responses to objections, they just repeat the same tropes and even takfir ("He's a Mujassim") him, sadly.
Please continue with the variety of material as always.😁
@@BloggingTheology In Bayan Talbis al Jahmiya ibn Taymiyya says that to say it is impossible for Allah to be divisible is wrong. He also says it is possible for Allah to settle in place and have composition. You can also read ibn Jawzi's book translated by your guest Abdullah bin Hamid Ali and the ibn Jahbal al Kalbis refutation of ibn Taymiyyah also available in English translation.
It is the height of irony that ibn Taymiyyah considered himself an Athari. Atharis claim that creed (aqida) should be simple and should be the apparent meaning of the texts. Any Athari would be mortified if he had to resort to philosophy and hours of exposition to explain his position as they believe in the apparent meaning even if its anthromorphic. They have spent centuries criticizing others for using logic and they almost consider philosophy as blasphemy, when here comes their defender using philosophy to explain his positions!
Hatem al-Haj is just another Salafi/Wahhabi Takfiri Jihadie Ideology mentality propagandist, who is trying his best to push forward the theology of Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah.
But he will not fool, the Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah scholars and Muslims who are following the Aqeedah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) his Sahaba and the Tabi'ien and Tab'i Tab'ien until Yaumul al-Qiyamah.
• Neither Ibn Taimiyya nor his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah belong to the true Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, or to their school of thought.
• The school of thought of the Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, is entirely represented and contained in the scholars of the schools of law, their methods, and their Imams. (Madh-haab, pl. Madhaahib: a legal method or school of law in Islam.
The major schools of law include the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Ja'fari school of law / Madh-haab).
• Those who belong to that collective school of thought are the Saved Group who follow mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah; the Sunnis; the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Congregation of Muslims.
• Those who contradict the belief of that group (Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah) and oppose them in their writings, such as these two scholars (Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah) and their Wahhabi and "Salafi" subscribers in later times ,are outside mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and even farther from the school of Salaf al-Saliheen ,the pious predecessors, and whose roof and dooms where built by the Khalaf al-Sadiqeen, the truthful successors up to the present age.
• Recommended Books of Sound Doctrine
-Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine volume 1
By shaykh Muhammad Hisham kabbani
-The Creed made Easy
By shaykh Mahmoud Abul Huda al-Husainy
-A Commentary upon the Creed of Imam al-Dardir
Translation and Commentary by Siddiq Adam Mitha
-A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed
The Foundational Proofs
By shaykh Sa'id Foudah
-The Differences Between the Ash'aris and Maturidis
By Imam Shams al-Din Ahmad ibn Sulayman Kamal Pasha
-Ahl Sunnah the Ash'aris
By shaykh Hamad al-Sinan
and shaykh Fawzi al-'Anjari
-Notions that must be Corrected
Arabic titel: Mafahim Yajib an tusahhah
By shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani
-A Critique of the Palmyran Creed
Deconstructing ibn Taimiyya's theology of resemblance
By shaykh Sa'id Foudah
-The Refutation of him [ Ibn Taimiyya] who attributes direction to Allah
al-Raddu 'alaa Man Qaala bil-Jiha
By Ibn Jahbal al-Kilaabi
Introduction shaykh Wahbi Sulayman Ghawji
Translation and Notes Gibril Fouad Haddad
ibn Tamiyyah is self contradictory.. he will say things like at "hands" not refer to limbs in one place and say something opposite in another like we accept the outward meaning of "yad" (hand).. selective quoting by al Haj.
guess your brain was afk, when you've watched the videos.
Do yourself a favor and watch the video before ranting about Shaykhul-Islam on multiple comments. Shaykh Hatem addresses so much of what you’re writing about that you come across like a partisan Ash’ari who’s not even open-minded enough to hear the arguments being made.
I have read Dr. Hajs book cover to cover on this issue. He argues how tafwid and tawil are both not the Taymiyan and Hanbali position (and hence the not the most correct position). So what should one do if not tafwid? He writes a confusing discussion for 2 or so pages that endorses the "dhahir". He contradicts other major hanbalis who clearly accepted tafwid. @@KnightofPower
@@amanthinks374And yet you’re seeking out videos on Ibn Taymiyyah to rant, making partisan points that Sh. Hatem has addressed? Maybe you should read the books again, and at minimum watch the two videos before commenting below it. I don’t think you realize how much you’re just harming the image of your own side when you very clearly haven’t heard or taken into account what the video itself is saying.
Hahaha who you are to talk about him😅?
you can't deny the observation that taymiyyan 'aqidah is confusing
This was quite informative, but why complicate a simple concept like that? Tauheed is easy. We are only required to acknowledge that the Creator is One, and there's no way creation can comprehend everything about Him. We only know what He Himself has told us. The purpose of our creation is to recognize His Magnificene. Not to figure out what His hands look like n what does it mean that He ascends or descends the throne.
This is beyond our scope n has nothing to do with the requirements of iman. God knows how many universes are out there that are full of the wonders of His creations that are nothing like us, but we want to fit Him into this tiny box of our very limited human understanding which is mostly based on our 5 senses. There is no way we can do that. Only He knows Who He is. Our job is to believe in Him n to work on developing a character that is reflective of His sifaat, n that's all that matters. May He have mercy on people and scholars who spend their lifetime worrying and debating about these irrelevant details. For simple laymen like myself, the knowledge that He made me n to Him is my return is all I need.
He reeaally avoids a lot of Ibn Taymiyyah's more problematic quotes and opinions here... much like the Ibn Abdul-Wahhab video. Not saying its all incorrect but if your going to coversomething you gotta cover the controversial aspects too...
Yes , I agree with you . Very cleverly avoided. Such as Ibn Kathir was his student in early days for 10 years and then later he separated from his idealogy . Salafis claim that Ibn Kathir considered him Shaykul Islam
You really need to draw back on the adds. They’re so distracting from the subject.
Unfortunately, the letters are not transliterated into Arabic
Ashaaciro and Ahlul Xadith will always be at odds.
The athari school has had it's say it's only fair that the mathuridi/ashari schools have their respective experts on theology have their say?!? The true hanbalis school is alus Sunnah
"true hanbali school"
The poster is a modern day wahabi. He is focused on promoting the aqeedah of tajsim and tashbeeh so don’t expect your wishes to come true.
There is some reeaal selective quoting here...
Ibn Taymiyyah's learning exceeded his intelligence.
Haha how so
@@jethrosheikh6994 he just copy pasted this statement from a website
جزاك الله خيرا وبارك الله فيك
Ibn taymiyyah died in prison for his blasphemous beliefs unfortunately his beliefs didn’t die with him
@@hasanrazza1 don’t tell that to the Wahhabis
رحم الله شيخ الاسلام ابن تيمية
@@Gog3453 So now you're siding with the rulers?
رحم الله الشيخ ابن تيميه
What beliefs?
Theology is the study of an invisible, unknowable being that is beyond human comprehension.
Theologians write and lecture about the deity's gender, his qualities and what he expects from his creations.
Based on divine revelation*
JazakALLAHukhairan
According to some (ibn Batuta and ibn Hajar al Asqalani in al Durar al Kaamina) he descended his pulpit as an example of God's descent.. ibn Taymiyya does have correct statements in his works as well which is what confused some scholars who didn't read the entirety of his writings... Maybe he did it to avoid being sent to prison, or to gain acceptance. The video avoids quoting the problematic passages.
1:30:19 that is responded to explicitly at that time stamp
@@Khaldunii Dr. al Haj is perhaps not aware that ibn Hajar al Asqalani also reported a similar incident via a student of ibn Taymiyya in his book al Durar al Kaamina. ibn Hajar al Asqlani is a reliable scholar according to everyone!
@@amanthinks374 Hatem al-Haj is just another Salafi/Wahhabi Takfiri Jihadie Ideology mentality propagandist, who is trying his best to push forward the theology of Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah.
But he will not fool, the Ahl sunnah wal jama'ah scholars and Muslims who are following the Aqeedah of the Holy prophet Muhammad (Sallallaahu alayhi wa ala aalihi wa sahbihi wa sallam) his Sahaba and the Tabi'ien and Tab'i Tab'ien until Yaumul al-Qiyamah.
• Neither Ibn Taimiyya nor his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah belong to the true Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, or to their school of thought.
• The school of thought of the Salaf al-Saliheen/ the pious predecessors, is entirely represented and contained in the scholars of the schools of law, their methods, and their Imams. (Madh-haab, pl. Madhaahib: a legal method or school of law in Islam.
The major schools of law include the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Ja'fari school of law / Madh-haab).
• Those who belong to that collective school of thought are the Saved Group who follow mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah; the Sunnis; the People of the Way of the Prophet and the Congregation of Muslims.
• Those who contradict the belief of that group (Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah) and oppose them in their writings, such as these two scholars (Ibn Taimiyya and his student Ibn Qaiyyim al-Jawziyyah) and their Wahhabi and "Salafi" subscribers in later times ,are outside mainstream Islam /Ahl Sunnah wal Jama'ah, and even farther from the school of Salaf al-Saliheen ,the pious predecessors, and whose roof and dooms where built by the Khalaf al-Sadiqeen, the truthful successors up to the present age.
• Recommended Books of Sound Doctrine
-Encyclopedia of Islamic Doctrine volume 1
By shaykh Muhammad Hisham kabbani
-The Creed made Easy
By shaykh Mahmoud Abul Huda al-Husainy
-A Commentary upon the Creed of Imam al-Dardir
Translation and Commentary by Siddiq Adam Mitha
-A Refined Explanation of the Sanusi Creed
The Foundational Proofs
By shaykh Sa'id Foudah
-The Differences Between the Ash'aris and Maturidis
By Imam Shams al-Din Ahmad ibn Sulayman Kamal Pasha
-Ahl Sunnah the Ash'aris
By shaykh Hamad al-Sinan
and shaykh Fawzi al-'Anjari
-Notions that must be Corrected
Arabic titel: Mafahim Yajib an tusahhah
By shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki al-Hasani
-A Critique of the Palmyran Creed
Deconstructing ibn Taimiyya's theology of resemblance
By shaykh Sa'id Foudah
-The Refutation of him [ Ibn Taimiyya] who attributes direction to Allah
al-Raddu 'alaa Man Qaala bil-Jiha
By Ibn Jahbal al-Kilaabi
Introduction shaykh Wahbi Sulayman Ghawji
Translation and Notes Gibril Fouad Haddad
@@amanthinks374 Imam In Hajar al-'Asqalâni (d. 852/1449) said, "The fame and renown of Shaykh Taqiy al-Deen as an imam is clearer than the sun, and giving him the title of Shaykh al-Islam in his era remains until our time upon the righteous tongues. It will continue tomorrow just as it was yesterday. No one refutes this but one who is ignorant of his lofty status or one who turns away from justice."
@@Khaldunii Ibn Hajar quotes several scholars with different stances on ibn Taymiyya in al Durar al Kamina. That sounds like him quoting someone else. Please post original source. Many scholars who held a balanced or favorable view of ibn Taymiyyah did so on the basis of many correct and beneficial things in his writings. However most of those who read him in detail acknowledge the gross errors he fell into. This is why many scholars feel only scholars should read his works as they can avoid the errors and benefit from the good.
The ongoing and concerted effort by this Paul guy to promote the mujassim ibn taymiya is really concerning
education is always a good thing
I learn nothing
After watching this series, i now fully understand why ibn taimiyyah regrets.
Shaikhul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) said at the end of his life: ”I regret losing most of my time in other than studying the meanings (or explanations) of the Qur’aan.”
If you read my comment, then stay away from philosophy, or trying to refute philosophy, its not worth your time
Not your fault.. the speaker is doing huge mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible .. ibn Taymiyyah spent his life in enmity of Asharis and used philosophy to try to prove them wrong in the process digging holes for all those who try to follow him...
@@amanthinks374 its strange because i believe Ash'ari is definitely wrong, i mean you don't have to be like ibn taymiyyah to refute Ash'ari
@@udaramalam7348 yes akhi but ibn taymiyyah was the first hanbali scholars who read the books of the asha'irah and the philosophers and refuted them. The Hanabilah usually just boycotted them and even forbid to read their books. So if you actually ready any Aqeedah Books of Ahlul Sunnah, its automatically a refutation against Jahmiyya, Mu'tazilah, Kullabiyah, Asha'irah and Maturidiyyah. Our scholars always wrote books for a reason. However the best who refuted the other Aqa'id was Sheikhul Islam ibn Taymiyyah. He read all books of the salaf and the philosophers. Noone did that before him. Allah chose him to bring back the aqeedah of ahlul sunnah wal jamaah, alhamdulillah.
Ibn taymiyyah made a lot of lies of Shia branch of Islam and deliberately gave false information
Shia are not Muslims. Shia are the enemies.