Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu's verdict read in court
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- The jury came back with a verdict in the Apple River stabbing trial on April 11.
Miu was initially charged with first-degree intentional homicide and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide. The state on Tuesday said it was also seeking lesser charges related to the initial counts.
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Never talk to police. Never talk to police. NEVER talk to police.
also stop gutting people when at the river.
@@benfrese3573😂
Never lie to the police creating false narratives when you didnt know there was video of your criminal acts. Good thing criminals are dumb.
@benfrese3573 "for the culture"
@@benfrese3573also entitled zoomers need to stop treating real life like the internet. Convincing people that someone is a pedophile so they can attack him is wrong.
'Social media made you all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.'
- Mike Tyson
What an idiot, threw his life away for some drunk teens being mean.
@@sol-leks6122 He was drunk, just like the teens. If he'd been sober, I'm guessing he wouldn't have done something so stupid.
Yeah…this is a little more than a punch in the face. None of this was deserved or an appropriate response whatsoever.
Perfect example of why keeping quiet upon arrest and having an attorney at time of questioning will save your life.
I feel like the video was damming enough for a conviction
Or just like, don't stab people to death?
Lmao this is what u go from this? I’m betting u doubled down on him being innocent , tried to argue it with ur friends , and now that he’s guilty , here you are doubling down again ! He lied because he knew he did something wrong
@@sophiesnuffy2563what are you on about? Cameras have nothing to do with the right to remain silent. Trust me you don’t want to live in a place where you don’t have that right. You can’t build a legal system off of one case. I bet if your ass was being sold down the river by some corrupt cops you would feel differently. I think dude was guilty either way but he definitely hurt his case by speaking to police when he didn’t have to.
Better ten guilty men walk free than one innocent man suffer
Video sealed his fate no matter what he said.
Looked like a maniac the entire time, looking for a reason.
The thought of having your life in the hands of your modern peers is a horror I cannot describe.
Old man fucked around and found out that you cant stab a bunch of people because your feeling are hurt
Not nearly as horrific as stabbing a bunch of kids (including a teenage girl that was not involved in the altercation) because they got tired of an old dude following them around.
@spencerearl9964 Thanks for proving my point!
@@dislikebutton4981 Was your point that being judged by juries is a horror or that people like this guy exist?
@@spencerearl9964 Bull, if she was not involved why was she close enough to be stabbed?
Everyone needs to remember, and never forget:
If you are attacked by a group of people, and use force to defend yourself, NEVER EVER TALK TO THE POLICE. They are not your friend, and never have been.
Also, don’t tell the police a completely made up story of what actually happened lol
He is a foreigner and probably did not get the memo.
Absolutely agree.
Neither is this WOKE world.
Mr. Mui was not physically attacked by anyone. He initiated the entire incident.
This is today's youth. Attack on older man, while drunk underage, and then play the victim.
I so agree with you...this sends a horrible message.
This says a lot about society - Joker 2016
@ThugHunter88 So, could all of them.
This is so Sad on all counts
What they did was wrong but what he did was way worse and not necessary. If you think he should be free after this im worried about your kids if you have any.
If he is going to jail for reckless endagerment then every single person involved should as well! Wtf?! Everyone there was recklessly endangering safety!
Well only one person stabbed a bunch of people then tried to wash and hide the knife, and lie to police about it
@@vsauce4498Well only one man was attacked by a mob.
He ran up to them. He shouldn’t have ran up to them with a knife
@@sddukay1744 only one man RAN UP TO A GROUP in order to provoke an issue while armed with a deadly weapon.
@@sddukay1744he was found GUILTY he targeted multiple people with a knife and stabbed a girl who wasn’t even going after him. He’s dispicable, and won’t do well in jail
Let it be known... if you are accosted by a dozen inebriated teenagers, you must either accept a potentially lethal beating and attempted drowning by their hands, or spend your life in prison for self defense. Crazy.
Miu was basically unharmed after the altercation. But these 5 of these kids were stabbed, one of them who was only 17 was stabbed to death.
Or you could simply walk away from the people who were repeadly telling you to leave...
@@BecxyBooThose disgusting monsters had no right to demand he leave the river. He was looking for something, and they were assaulting him. This should absolutely be overturned, but there is no justice in America.
@@nickschwartz8793 They never told him to leave the river...They told them to leave them alone, He approached them looking for a lost phone. He didn't have to confront them, he approached them first angrily about a missing phone.
OR…. Just walk away.
Lying to the police sealed his fate. If he truly felt he acted in self defense why lie.
Because you can not trust the law. As we allsee today! And his lies were not relevant anyway.
Anyone would be afraid. It doesn't change the facts of the case. He should be not guilty.
He should have just never talked to cops. Never talk to police
@@helmutstransky3761 I understand, as stated by his lawyer it all depends on what side the 12 jurors are on in terms of self defense. We clearly see how they feel.
He lied because he was afraid and untrusting of the police. The first thing he said is that people get sent to prison for self defense. He was right. This is a travesty of justice.
He really effed himself by going to toss the weapon after the fact, putting on clothes to make himself less recognizable, tried to avoid police, pretending that he did not know what went on during the altercation, and lying to police like when he said he took the knife he used from one of the teens. All those things scream someone who knew they did something wrong.
Absolutely
Still shouldn't change the fact he was assaulted by them! They should all stand trial for terrorising and assaulting One Man.
@@relaxchamp Not exactly. People use behaviors after the fact to judge state of mind all the time in court.
@@nifflofair6685 Well, he did fall on one of the teens or touch their leg or something when he tripped, so he is the first person to make physical contact with someone. And while what he did afterwards does not change the fact of what happened, it does make people feel differently about his state of mind. Even he thought he was guilty it seems. And remember when he told the cops that he thought it was just "kids being kids" when he was trying to make it seem like he was not involved in the altercation?
@@nifflofair6685 that’s true but how you handle that situation is crucial. He should have been honest, he should have called the police himself. The minutes after a self defense situation are crucial to your freedom.
Jury gave in to “small town” pressure. Mr Miu is innocent.
Wrong you can't approach a group of people with a knife.... Then claim self defense
@@XRAY420DEATHWTF are you taking about???? Did you watch the video or are you just that ignorant? Crawl back under your rock. 👍🏻✌🏻
@@XRAY420DEATH Right. I totaly agree with people that the young men here were the insitgators, and purposefully harrased and abused the defendant for their own sadistic pleasure, but its obvious that he COULD have just walked away, and CHOOSE to stab them, while smiling no less. everyone here is guilty. Harass an old man wielding a knife and get stabbed.
It should be required that jury be only right wing we are good hearted wholesome hard working Americans the whole jury is literally lib and this is what happens they are pro criminal
@@XRAY420DEATH there were others on that river with knives for the same reason MUI was , to cut rope to tie the tubes together. He didn’t bring a knife as you’re suggesting, to hurt someone. By the way that was a nervous smile not a real smile.
Every stupid kid who pushed and abused Miu should also be charged. They antagonized Miu and totally abused him to the point that he feared for his safety. They had a hand in that young man's death and the others being stabbed. They may not be charged but I hope it weighs very heavy on their conscious for the rest of each of their lives and it torments them. Anyone could have been Miu. He should not have lied, but fear and alcohol apparently can make you do things you would never imagine you could.
And they will continue their ZERO respect and bullying others!!!!
Get the facts dopey.
That's not what happened. What trial have you been watching?
@@australianwoman9696 puerile comment.
You can't throw the first punch, and claim self defense 🤷♂️
This situation proves why my Wife and I keep to ourselves, we stay away from crowds of people, we don;t drink or get around other people that are drinking. Shit goes south when you do.
That’s right! Your smart.
💯💯💯💯
No! You have to be responsible. Cowards hide
My wife and I have done the same for years. We stay away from places that serve alcohol, or groups of teenagers.
Agree, alcohol seems to be a factor in many bad outcomes.
I’m so disappointed that our society has reached a place where we are basically condoning the behavior of those drunk, stoned animals.
No one is condoning their behavior. But bad behavior does not mean open season for a mass stabbing.
That's not true or the issue here
@MisterCaution Shut the f#%k up. They attacked that man and he defended himself. Now they want to cry.
@@MisterCaution Exactly!!!
Thank the biden voters
Obviously he shouldn’t have lied but the fact that he was found guilty is a complete travesty. Honestly, the guy who yelled out that he was looking for little girls, he played a huge role in this. Move away from Wisconsin immediately if u know what’s good 4 u
I don't know man, if somebody yelled out for you to get away and leave them alone -- like those teenagers did -- I think you should just leave them alone, yeah? Instead of caressing your knife and waiting for the perfect opportunity to gut people. Which he got, AFTER he slapped that girl.
Boo hoo😂😂😂
@@maria89you wrote so many lies in such few lines.
@@arbo3495 which were the lies? Please, enumerate them for me 1 by 1 so we're absolutely clear.
@@maria89 1. He wasn't supposed to leave when they told him to go away because he was looking for his phone and they were preventing him from doing so
2. He wasn't caressing his knife. His knife was in his pocket and he only took it out once the guys started attacking him in order to defend himself.
Shame on you. Liar.
So sad. The Little bastards who assaulted him should be charged as well.
Totally agree, this is all wrong
can he press charges against them? I'm not from the states so i wouldn't know
Disgusted by this verdict. WEAK MORALS in those JURORS.
Mr. Mui was not assaulted by anyone.
Charged with what exactly? It's the responsibility of someone concealing a weapon to be the calmest person in the room. Nic repeatedly instigated and re-ignited the situation. He was drunk and looking for trouble. He is a murderer. Case closed.
Imagine if any one of the people involved chose kindness, what a difference it could have made. A tragedy.
Love is the highest power. ❤️
That's maybe the best and most accurate comment on this whole thread.
This comment deserves more likes.
Yeah, the teens could have helped him look for the phone.
@@Mick.Fitzmaurice no it doesn't. It's just another "what if humans didn't act like humans" comment.
There you go America, let’s punish the innocent and reward the guilty. America is truly turning evil
He is guilty as sin. Hence the GUILTY verdict 🤡
@@rachelsill79 Jesus please shadow ban yourself
What a tragic incident. No winners here.
Truth!
All bullies won here, no justice for innocent
Miu had no right to stab the young people like he did, thus killing one: he should just have gone back to his group and leave them alone: he is the guilty one here by killing a young man and injuring 4 others because he wanted to stand his ground: seriously? Thank God for that jury!!
@@xvang9767 as a grown adult do resolve issues by punching a women in the face and stabbing multiple people? Not saying what the teens did was right but c'mon.
The bullies got their punishment. They are traumatized, lost a friend and millions saw their awful behavior.
This outcome has set a dangerous precedent. You cannot defend yourself from an angry mob where you were choked, slapped, pushed down and nearly drowned. Very frightening.
well, you still can. But not when you are the aggressor
@@benfrese3573 He wasn't though. He didn't set out to assault anyone, they instigated the whole situation, he just responded. Holding someone underwater is attempted murder.
And sadly it will happen again,THE CULTURE=Bunch of punk bullies!
@@harmonymiller1211 Did you miss the part where he ran up on the teens? Was touching them, and was grabbing their tube? Then, when they are yelling at him to leave he refuses to say anything, and then when Madison is yelling at him to leave he still refused to leave. Instead, he calmly pulled out a knife, NOT EVEN LOOKING AT IT, and turned his back on the teens he's supposedly afraid of.
Take the blinders off.
@@harmonymiller1211 He also hit Madison in the face. It's clear he hit her, because she had sunglasses on, and then in the next part of the video she's stumbling back and the sunglasses are gone.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Are they now going to bring charges on those teens who attacked him and taunted him? This has nothing to do with his guilt, but who he was and the crimes committed by those teens were ignored based on who they were. This was not a courtroom of justice
They pushed him over after he flipped them out of their tubes for no reason being a drunk moron and he responded by stabbing 4 people and were talking about kids here man dude was stabbing skinny teenagers boys an killing one tried to hide the weapon tried hide from police this guy wasn’t a good person he wasn’t scared for his life he was angry an wanted to hurt people
Right.. Obviously he wasn't guilty.. I mean, why would a guilty person calmly try and dispose of the murder weapon, clean all the blood of his victims off him, and calmly lie to the police like he did? NO, a actually guilty person would of fled in a panic and contacted the police, freaking out over the horrible situation, which he did not do, because, you know, he's so innocent..
The matrix is truly broken, everyone is so short bus now,
@@jacobcar442I think it comes down to people not having the full scope of the trial where did you get all this information?
@@jacobcar442ahh so you’re a child too huh? Get out of here if you’re going to be biased. It’s as simple as this: Mui was walking by doing what he had already BEEN DOING that day (without prior knowledge of these kids being there) and then the group of illegally intoxicated high school seniors were floating by who then proceeded to bully, physically harm, and verbally assault this man until he broke and defended himself with his knife. And as for the “cleaning his victims blood off himself and lying to the police” bs, YOU need to quit watching tv all the damn time and live in the real world.. he’s not a killer, he’s a person just like any of us who unfortunately got put behind bars for self defense… it’s sad really. Why don’t you go pushing and yelling and hitting at a grown man and see if they let you make a fool out of them. GROW UP.
@@jacobcar442 Calmly would mean there's rationale involved. A ton of witnesses have seen the incident, nowadays everyone has phones so you are on tape too and you would have seen the kids with phones out taping you- So Obviously he was not calm. scared and confused more so mr.short bus.
So sad for this man.
These horrible parents should be ashamed to have raised such violent, evil humans.
🤣look at urself
This man looks so ill. He won’t survive long in prison.
He might get sentence of time served.He has been in jail 2 years so that equals 4 years
His guilt makes him ill!
Guilt
@@mikewood4242 time served? Kid the charges he facing 40-60 that’s if they do t run them all consecutively
He stopped drinking alcohol in prison & lost weight from that. He was apparently 250 lbs.
I think he looks better now than before.
Since they find him guilty than EVERYONE else involved in that mob needs to be charged. Let's not pretend they are without fault.
I didn't see the kids stabbing anyone. You people are so backwards you think that words are a reason to stab someone. He was 100% guilty and deserves prison.
@@butter7734 oh, so their punching him, chocking him, knocking him down, holding him down.....those were just words......I guess we people stand corrected
@@trixiecorn1257 they didn't do that until after he became violent. He started the whole thing and 100% deserves prison.
@@butter7734 and so do the kids that instigated it or this will embolden others to do the same. They bullied him
@@debbiehoyt9018 he was the instigated it and his actions resulted in the physical punches and pushes from the kids. Heck I’m physically handicapped and had plenty of times being called names, harassed and bullied but I know damn well if I fought back physically I better expect that physical fight come right back to me.
What a travesty. Attacked by a mob of drunk and drugged men and now goes to prison for defending himself.
This!!!
LOL
Waaaah waaaaah
Thank you for demonstrating your inability to comprehend what ‘self defence’ is in terms of law. Self defence does NOT equal what he did. I’m glad he was found guilty because he is.
as if you give a shit
Those dirtbag kids crying now. They werent in the video. This man dont deserve life in jail
He stabbed four people after he approached the group with the knife in his mouth... You can't claim self defense when you could have walked away or better yet not even approached them with a knife
Good point Tom. By no means does he deserve life in prison. Shame Wisco outlawed the death penalty.
@@XRAY420DEATHwho’s the 4 people he stabbed
Grow up
I don't know what he deserves. But those kids should all be ashamed of themselves. They acted like savages. To another person who acted like a savage in return.
Gross situation.
This verdict is telling young, drunken teenagers that it’s ok to harass, humiliate, and intimidate older people.
Well not really. They were stabbed disemboweled and one died. You think nobody is going to learn from that and continue to harass older people expecting nothing bad to happen? Really? If this trial teaches anyone anything it's telling young drunks to stay in their fucking lane.
Nope
No it's not. It's telling people to ignore it and go about your life.
Cringe af
The problem was he lied so much. Had he shut his mouth a d not speak with the police or try to cover it up he'd be credible.
There you have it, some drunk unhinged girl can interject herself into your engagement with others, scream in your face, grab you, and lie about being punched effectively unleashing a gang of violent attackers and your options are to let them beat and/or drown you or be convicted of first degree murder. Also, your hand is now considered a deadly weapon used in the commission of a crime.
But just so we’re clear, Madison and the kid filming deliberately escalated this situation. It’s unlikely their egos will allow them to see it, but let this be a warning to choose your company wisely
And , BOTH will have to live with the memory of , and results of their actions... for the rest of their lives.
BIDEN'S AMERICA FOLKS! IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT YOU CANT GUT A SMALL TEENAGE GIRL FROM BEHIND AND CALL IT SELF DEFENCE ANYMORE!!
He had plenty of opportunity to leave, took out his knife before any physical contact had happened, started being physical and stabbed FIVE people after getting back up, ONLY ONE of which - arguably - posed a threat to him, and then feigned ignorance about what happened, including by lying to the police. Stop fabricating alternative narratives…
Their egos will get them into trouble again. Next time might not be favorable to them.
I would've just said I thought it was a man, the face on it, you can't tell these days.
Poor guy. He never asked for this confrontation. He was surrounded by a MOB and threatened in a vulnerable situation - poor health and in water. He did what any reasonable person would do in those circumstances. What a shame.
He wouldn’t have been surrounded if he didn’t approach the group. He created the physical conflict by approaching them.
@@sophiesnuffy2563 OK I did..............I didn't see it. What did he do?
@@vintagemxer9165if you leave your wallet on your driver’s seat then someone is going to break into your car to take it. Whose fault is it?
🤣🤣🤣he literally ran up to them. You are what’s wrong with the world. Watch the entire video and get facts before putting in your dumb ass opinion
The defense did such a good job.They really did.I'm so sorry that it turned out this way.Those kids hold no responsibility in themselves now and they have a lot of damn responsibility for what happened
I’d bet that the defense team advised him Not to testify, but in his arrogance he did anyway. They had done a good job before that. His lack of empathy, remorse, and lack of credibility is probably what swayed the jurors.
Miu should have not lied about what he did to the police
He knew his level of force was unjustified.
He lied because he is guilty
This had zero reason of the outcome!, those witnesses lied on the stand!
@@keli449the teens lying have nothing to do with the fact that Miu lied about disarming the teens claiming it was their weapon. He hid the weapon and tried to slip by the police. Pretty obvious to anyone objective.
Agreed but that has nothing to do with ahole drunk kids in his space and hitting him.
lying to the cops DESTROYED his credibility..
if you're going to claim self defense.. YOU NEED TO BE CREDIBLE..
This is exactly it.
I don't think so. The burden of proof is on the state.
❤❤❤
Yes, you cant lie!!
And yet all the young idiot bullies can lie get away with it. Sickening
Jury probably has the same mental capacity of everyone on the river 😂
This is so true. Even incapable to grasp a situation caught on camera.
@@julez8053 Uh old man bad ugh ugh youn teens sexy er i mean gooodd innocent uggrrrhghhh wehres my meds....
@@julez8053 they must have been directed, the result makes no sense, if you look at comments over 70% are for Miu so how are the same not represented on a jury?
@@stevenmoore3480because the jurors have brains, unlike the majority of social media commenters...
@@stevenmoore3480well this is because the comment section is full of idiots who didn't watch the video.
Those kids should be charged with assault...
No. They shouldn’t. Lets lay it out for you.
1. His friend said he didn’t care about losing his phone, but Miu was dead set to find it. He should’ve left it alone.
2. He was asked to go away 20 times by the group. He didn’t. He should have called the authorities at that point.
3. The group started talking shit, he should’ve just walked away. They’re minors, who gives a shit.
4. A group surrounded him and he pulled his knife and smirked. He knew exactly what he was going to do. He didn’t make any attempt to warn them to get away or leave.
5. He was then punched twice, so he had a weapon out before any physical contact was made. He WAS the one who escalated the situation.
6. After the stabbings, he tried to hide the knife, his group he was with lied to the police saying that he was the wrong guy, and then he proceeded to lie to the police. He said he didn’t have a knife, said the kids had the knife, and that it wasn’t him. So now he’s obstructing justice.
Simply put, he had multiple opportunities to walk away, he pulled a weapon before anything happened, and then tried lying to the police. If he felt he didn’t do anything wrong, he wouldn’t have lied.
Take the time to read about the case. You clearly haven’t.
And are any of the youths now going to be held accountable for their behaviour? Like the one filming who was provoking to incite the violence? Mui may well be guilty but that doesnt mean they were innocent, they contributed to this situation by their behaviour.
Now are those "teens" going to be charged with underage drinking, public intoxication and assault?
lol, you are such a clown. A person was murdered, 5 in total were stabbed and all you think think about giving out meaningless tickets to them?
No. They are victims. Disgusting how people like you have a crush on a murderers so you want to punish his victims.
No kidding! They were all adults too! SMH
Right they just get away free with instigating it, attacking someone and being intoxicated illegally
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Those drunk teenagers need to be charged as well. They were not innocent either.
Exactly. This is bullshit.
OK sure. $50 fine for pushing someone. Next case please. Yall really acting like these kids committed some HEINOUS CRIME when all they did was push a nasty older dude that was messing with them. Guess what? People get into disagreements and scuffles ALL THE TIME but that is NO REASON to go on a fcking murder spree.
Key word CHILDREN. These children are VICTIMS.
Assualting an old man who is coming off triple bypass surgery is NOT ok. If they would have left him alone or..idk helped him look then this would have never happened!@SquirtlePower809
I feel the same way! I was shocked watching this video!! Those teens AND the adults with their mob mentality put a man behind bars for years and maybe the rest of his life!! Those loudmouth teens and the two woman at the front line will have that to live with.
Just shows you can't defend yourself when you are severely outnumbered. When is the trial for the kids involved that attacked him?
Shocking decision by the jury. A guy attacked 13 to 1. Kills in self defence and he's the one going to Jail.
You didn’t watch the full trial clearly. Opening statements says it all. Nic had the knife ready to go before he even approached the boys himself, pulled it out before the woman placed her hand on his shoulder, and started stabbing everyone even after 2 guys broke the fight up. Guilty as can be and simply had a better lawyer that fooled the general public who were too busy to watch the full opening prosecution statement.
They just sent a message to all young people that they can act like hyenas and animals and threaten people and get away with it
No message you missed was… “don’t stab & kill people”, flee the scene, wash & discard your weapon, change clothes, deny you were stabber, lie to cops that kids brought knife, show NO remorse but only for your puppy, deny that it was you in the video & then claim you don’t remember stabbing & killing anyone. Let me know if I missed anything. Out of breath…
Moral of the story don’t stab & kill. Flee the scene, wash & discard the knife, change close, deny being stabber, tell cops kid brought knife & tried to pull pants, deny you were in the video & then say you don’t remember stabbing & killing…. That was a ling sentence. Out of breath now 😮💨
Exactly..
Kids will be kids. They need to learn things themselves, even if it means the hard way. Killing shouldn't be how you teach them.
The message won’t fly with me.
If you mob me, like those who mobbed this man, you’re gonna encounter my resistance.
If I fear for my life, or the lives of my loved ones, you will most likely not live through it.
It was self-defense. Those kids were a mob of bullies.
@@MORZA10how did it work out for the boy trying to put his intestines back into his body. I bet he doesn’t gang up on someone else again
Self defence with a fucking knife? You use fists as defence, knife and guns are for killing
This young generation is learning the hard way you can’t go around screwing with older people hoping to go viral
He started the whole fucking thing no one was messing with him he came out and attacked them because they were having fun on a public river that they are legally allowed to do so on and then he lost the fight so he stabbed them. If he has been minding his own and this exact same situation occurred I would 100% be on his side but he deserves every day he got to rot in prison
@@samhigger467 lol what a silly take
Such a senseless tragedy fueled by alcohol and stupidity on both parts.
I totally agree .... Ego too.
There is nothing good that comes from alcohol
Truth for sure
Expected from 17 year Olds, but not 50 year olds.
100% agree!
Scotland
This verdict made me cringe. How could any one of sound mind watch that video and think this man was not well within his right to defend himself??
This is beyond sad, and “jury of one’s peers” is freaking terrifying… Especially, when you see this kind of outcome. Unbelievable 😪
he hid the weapon, changed clothes, lied to police over and over... you should probably stop and reassess the way you think about things. correct verdicts based on events.
@@Just.Me.Xyz.123 He was in a state of panic...would you be in a calm state of mind after what transpired?
@@Just.Me.Xyz.123 my assessment is this... Mr. Miu was the one minding his own business looking for his friend's phone. The group of young adults (that everyone likes to call
"kids") were the ones that decided he was "creepy" and when he didn't answer them right away, decided he was a pedophile. As they are yelling complete nonsense to/about him, Miu rushes to their tubes but then turns and walks away looking for his goggles. The young men then follow Mr. Miu and continue screaming and harassing him incessantly.
The assault/violence did not start until the two women (from the other group) came over. Both of which got in his face. One was thrusting her phone into his face and they were both putting their hands on and pushing him.
Some claim he then "punched" or "slapped" the lady (Madison). Though somehow, the camera misses that very important encounter; And strangely, the large sunglasses she was wearing did not get knocked off nor move positions at all.
Others claimed, that the hit knocked her down. Yet, the beer or anything else she is holding has fallen from her hands. Also, the phone she had tucked in her suit did not get dropped but stayed nicely tucked just as it was. Again, the video just happens to miss all that too.
Yet, we are to believe that this is what leads to the attack on Mr. Miu. Where what we do clearly see, is him being knocked into the water, punched, slapped, choked~ATTACKED by a mob of men!
What more do you think he should have let this group do to him before it was okay (in your assessment) for him to be in fear for his own life? And when would he finally be within his right to defend himself (however possible) to preserve his own life??
Btw, an important note: Several of the men testified that they felt more emboldened after the other group came over. Which, based on the evidence, makes the most sense has to why they decided to go from verbal to physical abuse.
Is it unbelievably sad that someone lost their life~Absolutely. Is it sad that several people were badly injured~ Yes. What’s sadder, is had this group of young men had not acted like animals and attacked an innocent man for no reason whatsoever, then none of that would have occurred.
With that, I stand strong in my assessment and I believe every individual has the right to defend themselves period. I imagine, if you ever found yourself or a loved one being assaulted by an entire group of individuals, you would see things much differently.✌🏼
@@Just.Me.Xyz.123 my assessment is this... Mr. Miu was the one minding his own business looking for his friend's phone. The group of young adults (that everyone likes to call "kids") were the ones that decided he was "creepy" and when he didn't answer them right away, decided he was a pedophile. As they are yelling complete nonsense to/about him, Miu rushes to their tubes but then turns and walks away looking for his goggles. The young men then follow Mr. Miu and continue screaming and harassing him incessantly.
The assault/violence did not start until the two women (from the other group) came over. Both of which got in his face. One was thrusting her phone into his face and they were both putting their hands on and pushing him.
Some claim he then "punched" or "slapped" the lady (Madison). Though somehow the camera misses that very important encounter; And strangely, the large sunglasses she was wearing did not get knocked off nor move positions at all. Others claimed, that the hit knocked her down. Yet, the beer or anything else she is holding hasn’t fallen from her hands. The phone she had tucked in her suit did not get dropped but stayed nicely tucked just as it was. Unfortunately, the video just happens to miss all that too. Not to mention, not a single person involved could remember or get their story straight on those events (or any of it for that matter) not even Madison herself. Even so, we are to believe that this is what leads to the attack on Mr. Miu. Where what we do clearly see, is him being knock into the water, punched, slapped, choked~ATTACKED by a mob of men!
What more do you think he should have let this group do to him before it was okay (in your assessment) for him to be in fear for his own life? And when would he finally be within his right to defend himself, to preserve his own life??
Btw, an important note: Several of the men testified that they felt more emboldened after the other group came over. Which, based on the evidence, makes the most sense has to why they decided to go from verbal to physical abuse.
Is it unbelievably sad that someone lost their life~Absolutely. Is it sad that several people were badly injured~ Yes.
Even sadder, is had this group of young men not acted like animals and attacked an innocent man for no reason whatsoever, then none of it would have occurred.
With that, I stand strong in my assessment and I believe every individual has the right to defend themselves period. I imagine, if you ever found yourself or a loved one being assaulted by an entire group of individuals, you would see things much differently.
I’ll add, I don’t think it was right for Miu to have lied or deceived, as he did. However, I imagine being in a situation like that could very likely cause someone to react fearful, out of character, and possibly make them do or say things they “shouldn’t.” The bottom line is, it doesn’t change what occurred. He was brutally attacked by an entire group of people and he had a right to defend himself. Nothing he said or did changed that. The end ✌🏼
@@xlr8r2010can't approach a group of people with a knife then claim self defense come on stupid
This is tragic, but let’s face it it’s a case of drunk teenagers causing trouble and behaving like little shits. They caused this whole situation then didn’t like the outcome. They are just as responsible.
If those teens never said anything to Mui I think he would have went on looking for the phone and would have never interacted with them. Also, if those 2 women didn’t involve themselves and get into his face then it probably wouldn’t have escalated to violence, brought on by the moron Dante
Excuses excuses 🙃
Freedom of speech right?
You excel in victim blaming!
100 💯 agree
Everyone needs to watch all of the channels and all of the witness testimony before coming to any decision. Mr. Miu was minding his own business looking for the phone when the kids began to harrass him. That is not on the video, it was before the video. Listen to the black boy, and the first witness. They made it clear that they began the harassing and the bullying...and they both regretted their actions.
You can’t put your fate in the hands of the general public. We’ve collectively lost our ability to use reasonable judgment.
Or they got it right and you incorrectly think people being assholes to an asshole and throwing punches after a punch is thrown is carte blanche to go Jack the Ripper on everyone within reach.
@@zmancan5290what are you talking about what video did you see I never saw that man punch anyone I saw him surrounded buy a bunch of vultures who are shutting him around punching him in the f****** face did he defends himself he should have knowing this got a lot more damage than he did
exactly!
His actions have never been legal.
This case is like a dog whistle for people who are itching to harm others for any convenient reason lol.
Poor man. A pack of bullies got away with it, thankgod I live in a Fair justice system here in Australia 😢
THAT HE WALKED UP TO WITHOUT SAYING A WORD.
Than why did one kid tell cops he said he was looking for a phone and none of kids told cops he was looking for lil girls- was raper and pedophile? Cuz they all lied
They can't get away from the memories & guilty conscience. Unless they they run to The Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.
We definitely do not have a fair justice system here ya muppet
After watching that video: No sympathy for any of the animals participating. The "victims" created this entire thing. And now one of their friends is dead. Awful group of people.
This case will give bullies the power to continue to bully and persecute those who are vulnerable.
Terrible.
There is no self defense possibility any more.
as if those kids didn't learn their lesson here, jury got it right
" FOR THE CULTURE" 😟
He ran up to them, could have left at anytime. His friend admitted he threw the first punch, he took out his knife before anyone touched him. He went up to the one of the kids and clearly stabbed him
Imagine going tubing down your local polluted river and ending up on trial for murder
Yeah it's real easy- don't murder people and you won't be on trial for murder.
Exactly why people don't want to interact with their communities. 😢
Imagine going swimming and thinking oh wait I’d better hide a knife in my budgie smugglers
@@SquirtlePower809I agree, it’s just crazy this happened during such an innocently fun activity.
You think just like I do,,,
I live in Florida in all. The rivers have been polluted because they use them for run off. To create real estate. Is so sad... That river does look like a drainage ditch. In all the fresh water rivers that used to have Springs. They have been destroyed. It's so sad. I have looked at this case and so many different ways.
This is fucking ridiculous! Shame on that jury!!!!
This is fucking horrifying. This man defended himself against a mob of sociopathic drunk assholes who surrounded and assaulted him. This is disgusting.
An aggressor cannot claim self-defense.
Mui charged the kids, and assaulted them then hung around with them while they asked him to leave, then he drew his knife, then he assaulted a woman, then, when the kids retaliated, the stabbed five people, killing one.
Sad but!! That old man with a serious heart condition is innocent they we're bullying him shame on them
@@patrickmcdonagh2721 The kids taunted Miu. Miu stabbed five, killing one. Do you see the difference between words and a knife?
@@OldGuy555 Who assaulted who first? earnest question
@@OldGuy555 an aggressor? he got punched and assaulted first.
The youth that started and escalated this tragedy should also be charged. This man is not the only responsable. We all know it. It's unfair they don't pay.
THE YOUTHS DID NOT START THIS THE MAN DID BY GRABBING AND STOPPING THEIR TUBES!!!!
HE COULD OF AND SHOULD OF JUST LEFT THE RIVER BUT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T A YOUNG MAN WOULD NOT BE DEAD AND NUMEROUS OTHERS WOULDN'T OF BEEN INJURED!!!!!!!!
Your right, there is no RESPECT taught from toddler to adult...PARENTS PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES...WAKE UP! THIS NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
"unfair they dont pay"...Well, one of them died, and others were stabbed. For most, this will be a traumatic event they will remember their entire life, and hopefully, it also taught them a lesson about not acting like monkeys against strangers. So while the justice system did not "make them pay", they did suffer enormously from it.
Miu started the incident by contacting the boys and starting the violence. Taunting does not justify self-defense. Legally, you are wrong. The boys aren't on trial. The first amendment protects free speech, even silly name calling.
I believe that the young people paid for their actions that day with death and their blood. HOPEFULLY THIS SERVES HAS A WARNING TO RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES YOUNG OR OLD! AND MOST OF ALL DON'T DRINK ! AND DON'T FILM PEOPLE FOR TIKTOK VIEWS OR PEOPLE MIGHT BE VIEWING YOUR DEATH! EVERYONE NEEDS TO REPENT OF BAD BEHAVIOR. GOD BLESS TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND ❤
Were the teenagers charged with battery and assault?
no, they acted in self defense
@@benfrese3573 So did he.
Agree. Should be charge
No , he was drunk and f up
@@benfrese3573 Haha, self defense? They were the instigators and should be jailed for their attack!
A bunch of criminals.
Yeah he was punished unfairly. He did not deserve 1st degree murder. I would say that it should have been involuntary manslaughter. Im sure others would agree! But I hope that the teens, the 2 woman, and Dante that were involved will be prosecuted as well. And we know that the people who all were responsible of what had escalated that fateful day were happy about his verdict; but it doesnt shake the fact that now they have to live the rest of their lives knowing that they too caused the death of a teen named Isaac. 😢
Wasn't involuntary so that makes even less sense
@@joey2789 What? Could you explain this?
FIRST DEGREE IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE. Casey Anthony got off and he’s going to jail. Only in AMERICA
@@marywright7654 Genuinely curious how you were able to type this out with the single digit IQ required to have this opinion.
he was charged with homocide, which is basically manslaughter... he was charged with reckless homocide for everyone, but he was acquitted of 1st degree murder.
Wow. Regardless of his actions after the incident, these charges were about what happened during that incident, and we have a pretty clear view of it on cell phone camera. We know what his intentions were going up to the group, we know what the groups reactions were to him coming up, and their provocation, their aggression, Nic's self defense, and the groups lying to the police after words. Yes we know Nick trying to cover it up afterward, ok, charge him with lying, not murder.
No! Are you kidding me? He only lied because he was scared. That group attacked him FIRST 😢
He lied because he knew he was guilty.
The video proves it, but the jurors already make their minds up at the beginning
You weren’t listening. No only lies but fabricated lies. That’s what screwed him. He smelled pot, so he said. He wanted to change the narrative. He lies to ev that would listen. He couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
He instigated contact and did not leave after multiple requests
I think this case is really messed up I feel bad for this guy … he was scared I also feel bad for the victim family but come on wrong is wrong they should all be punished not just 1
Now can they bring charges against the two groups of drunks that started this tragedy?
I hope they all get sued for assault.
What would they be charged with hurting ppl feelings 😢😂
@@kimwhatmatters4085 assault. did you NOT see the video?
Calling name and pushing doesn’t mean you get gutted like a fish lol you goofballs go cry somewhere . You guys lost and going to prison for life 🤣🤣😭
@@kimwhatmatters4085you obviously didn’t watch the trial. they repeatedly assaulted him.
We all need to write a street or email to the judge and the Supreme Court demanding justice for this bullshit.
All involved should get charges.
I used to think people in Wisconsin were stupid now I just know they are
You know nothing. That PSYCOPATH was guilty 1000 times over.
@@flashinthepan3273 You can't even spell psychopath. And you certainly don't know what one is.
Most of them were from Minnesota. And if you mean the jury, Minnesota would have probably given him 1st degree across the board.
😂
@@flashinthepan3273 Basically, a group of agist teenagers bulied a man for being 40+ because they find adults gross, repulsive, laughable and punished him for that. The man defended himself too much.
He could have been killed by the assaults the kids did. He could have fallen on something or hit his head on a rock. I think he was in panic and made some decisions that may have saved his life. Yet the jury had a different perspective. I am guessing they all would have reasoned with some excessively drunk kids that are disrespectful. Feel so sorry for the hurt victims and this man who was attacked first. I don't think this man would have ever hurt anyone if they had not threatened his life.
I do feel bad for him in many ways but he gutted that kids' stomach and his intestines spill out. Maybe he panicked, but damn, that's a serious knife wound
He looks so thin now and pale and I am sorry for him probably going away the rest of his life away from his wife and all he knows Hes to old to probably survive release he will probably die in prison
I hope he can go to a prison that's half way decent and maybe be allowed to work in prison and attend some classes
I can't imagine going away that long and dying jail
Who plans on that being their retirement?
His lawyer did the best any lawyer could do I believe I just think the severity of that kids belly wound was horrifying, and the juriors saw that picture up close he gutted that kid
He should have thought about that before he pushed one of the kids of his inflatable. Keep your hands to yourself and you wont need to stab someone because you cant finish what you started. Drink responsibly people man look ish-faced that not how you confront people when you loose somthing or think its stolen.
Exactly
problem is he had the chance to retreat MULTIPLE TIMES and, chose NOT to 🤷🏽♀️
It's very disappointing that the jury didn't have the courage to do what was right. If it were fair, at the very least, Cockfield and Coen should have been charged too.
The jury told them it’s ok to be a bully and have ZERO respect of others
Let’s put this into context, He will probably get the same sentence as some maniac who casually walked up to them and just started stabbing them.
No, he got 1st degree reckless homicide. Did you watch the video????
I still have immense sorrow for Mr Miu and will pray for him
😂😂😂
@@msteen72 YOU'RE THE JOKE!!!
@@debbief4481 Does the "F" stand for "Frumpy"?
Not me. Guilty guilty guilty. Justice was served
Um, you could pray for a lot of better people than an old man who got all stabby because his feelings got hurt. What an absurd thought. 🤡
These are the brats of our youth. ! 🤢
He had other options.
They're living in and reacting to a world your generation created...boomers are literally the most entitled group of grumpy people ever.
You are a fool. They had just witnessed him cravenly stab a woman who was verbally trying to get him to leave. You call them brats. What do you call Miu? I call him a murderer. So does Justice.
DID YOU KNOW ALL OF THEM PERSONALLY? PROBABLY NOT SO STFU
Stay away from what you hate and you'll do just fine. Your rejection of them is to their benefit, they don't need you, want you, or like you as you have nothing that leads them to a brighter future. Don't go near them and don't demand any attention from them.
How? All the lies those kids made up! He never hit anyone. WI jurors are the worst. Where is the self defense. I'd like to see what they would do if they were attacked by 13 teens and adults.
Presumably, judging from their verdict, they believe it is better to literally lay down and allow yourself to be drowned.
THIS DUDE WAS FOUND GUILTY??? All the prosecutors and the judge should be disbarred!!! Total travesty of justice!!! Those meathead teenagers ALL should be jailed for perjury and assault!!!!
Just charge the witness' with perjury, which can clearly be established, and this verdict will get tossed.
Dream on. His psychological assessment is what brought him down.
Mui was the one who perjured himself on the stand. He was impeached and caught in multiple lies. He was a devil possessed murderer. Just remember that evil smile he had on his face while holding the knife.
@@Suzanne1999 Read the law.
BIDEN'S AMERICA FOLKS! IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT YOU CANT GUT A SMALL TEENAGE GIRL FROM BEHIND AND CALL IT SELF DEFENCE ANYMORE!!
Witnesses
Now put the little punks who harassed him and provoked him on trial for what they’re responsible for!!
💯 percent agree
This world is so WOKE that will never happen. SO sad! Poor many went out for a fund day now his life is ruined by drunk woke "adults". They broke the law in so many ways.
Charged for what? Bullying a grown ass man?? This man was never in any mortal danger. Mortal danger by being slapped and pushed?
"a dangerous religious cult of children believes that everyone over age 18 must be killed. A boy preacher named Isaac"
The children of the corn.
@@alreddy13 hopefully you aren’t serious! Or ever need to face something like this or anyone close to you . They had no right to do what they did .
This man should not be found guilty on the evidence from the mobile phone video, the teenagers were mobbing the helpless old man
An aggressor cannot claim self-defense.
Mui charged the kids, and assaulted them then hung around with them while they asked him to leave, then he drew his knife, then he assaulted a woman, then, when the kids retaliated, the stabbed five people, killing one.
r u dumb? OPEN YOUR EYES. you cant brandish a knife, slap someone, then when people retaliate you go stab-happy? NO. GUILTY. PS. nobody cares if they were calling u names grow a pair pls.
"helpless old man"?? he gutted multiple kids, killing one and nearly killing others. he was far from helpless.
@@twilight79010 That the majority of commentors support Mui shows there is zero hope for humanity. There is no sense of justice.
I think they need to have each teen held accountable for their own actions.
It's like slapping a cat on the face and acting indignant when it claws or bites you back. Life is cause and effect and for these kids to get away with their depraved behavior scot-free while this guy rots in prison is disturbing to me. Psychopathic culture is winning.
Yeah!! Cats and Grown Men are basically the same. We can literally hold them both to the same accountability standards
@@bretthogan5805 You must not be smart.
@@bretthogan5805here, I can explain it to you. what she said in this comment is called a Hypothetical Comparison. Or more aptly an analogy..
Brain rot is a terminal illness, you should go get that checked out.
You forgot the part where he made sexualized comments to the girls and could’ve walked away but kept coming back because his wittle pwide was hurt. No sympathy or saying what the boys did was right but he deserved to rot in prison.
@@TomFoolery1991 her analogy is dogshit, which is the point of my comment.
You must love licking boots
You have to remember to that this men has lived for 54 years and has no criminal record
ok? so do many other convicted killers
I know it’s scary. What else has he done?
This judge won’t care. This is an all-out war against self-defense. This is what Wisconsin does.
@@user-zj8dn3vv5z he’s not a killer. He was defending himself
And?
Youth today are so entitled, drunk teenagers antagonizing an older person, numerous teenagers and adults surrounded him, he had no chance either way. Horrible situation anyway you look at it, ughhh
This is so unjustified in all of the video clips all the kids were laughing the entire time they were antagonizing him….Horrible!!!
What an absolute travesty. Hopefully they will find grounds to appeal and receive a competent jury.
He instigated the situation and punched a girl escalating everything. He was never punched, a guy just pushed him. When you look at the footage look at his face, there is no fear, only anger. They were a bunch of annoying kids, that does not justify murdering them. This was a good jury, this guy should rot in prison, absolutely no self control.
In what world do we live in where you think the appropriate response to having your feelings hurt by a bunch of woman and children allows you to rage murder anyone around you. Justice was served in this case.
Those teenagers and the adults that were there should be ashamed to show their face in the courtroom.
Nope. Murderer
@dlgwooddesigns5304 .. Agreed!! So despicable
BIDEN'S AMERICA FOLKS! IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT YOU CANT GUT A SMALL TEENAGE GIRL FROM BEHIND AND CALL IT SELF DEFENCE ANYMORE!!
You should be ashamed to put your stupidity on display for everyone to see
pathetic and shameful group of cowards.
This verdict is bullsh*t. 😡
💯 percent agree. It's nonsense. Bunch of hippies in Wisconsin.
He 100% acted out of impulse and rage, not self defense. Why else would you try to slither off and blend into the general public to try to get away with your actions? Cause he knew he overstepped the line and he was fucked.
Okay OJ!!
@jakeh3144 And the only reason those punk a** kids were filming is to make a good Instagram story, so what's your point?
You have no idea what it feels like to be in that situation. Not everyone acts the same or can focus the same way.
The kids started it, and the old man taught them a lesson of F*** around and find out.
So is your idealization of trump.
Dumbest jurors ever.
What a nightmare
There's two things people can learn from this entire event. Don't get drunk, don't piss off or bother random strangers
or what? youll get off scott free with no repurcussions? oh you meant the defendant.
And don't lie to police
..don't stab random drunk kids and call the cops instead
There's a third thing to learn. Negligent homicide is a worse charge to get as opposed to felony murder.
Don't instigate a confrontation whilst brandishing a deadly weapon. You will be held accountable.
I am so disappointed.
The jury basically gave our spoiled youth the right to bully without repercussions.
I would have been so scared if a bunch of drunk, high spoiled brats were ganging up against me.
When I stop and THINK I realize all he had to do was say he youngins we lost a phone can you kids help me find it...
@coriinc2650 .. Agreed
@@dustyflairlikewise… they could’ve also asked, hey my elderly friend. Do you need help? Goes BOTH ways. All should be accountable
LOL THE BULLY IS GOING TO JAIL!
No repercussions? Their one friend is dead. And a few other friends were severely injured. I think that(if they cared at all about their friends) would be repercussion enough. I am sure after they saw what happened, had second thoughts about the way they behaved. But Mui killed someone.
Broken system giving bullies more & more power everyday.
Get drunk in public, attack an older man in a gamg, then play victim.
Wow, what a miscarriage of justice. You can gang assault someone and when he defends himself, he gets convicted of manslaughter.
Welp the apple river is truly a dangerous place. What a crudy area of terrible trashy people.
According to court descriptions...
Isaac-the boy who died from "Mui's" "self defense" in a video the public wasn't shown (us onliners with home seats) apparently had one hand on Miu's arm & another on Miu's chest when Mui stabbed Isaac through his ribs & into Isaac's heart
That takes strength & lethal force
Isaac had gone over to Miu AFTER Mui had swung at Maddy who was trying to pull Mui away from the group & then Mui stabbed Rhyley & ruptured her diaphragm
Isaac was an honour student
Isaac had started a mobile boat-cleaning business
Isaac was a golfer
Isaac had plans beyond high school
Isaac was 17
Nothing about Isaac sounds like trash
Get informed before you throw around nasty judgements that say more about the sender than anything else
Typos:
Auto correct keeps changing "Mui" to mum despite my re-editting it
yup, a lot of knives there
I agree, nothing but hooligans at apple river
@@birgip.m.1236”but he was a good boy” when POCs say a similar statement y’all are quick to question it
How was 13 against 1 NOT self defense? 😢
Getting punched, doesn’t equal to getting stabbed 🤦♀️
He used unnecessary force, like this one comment says getting punched doesn’t equal stabbed.
Doesn’t matter it’s how it happened you can have a army against 1 and you have a machine gun if you have a choice to back off why not turn away simple he’s the only one that had a weapon he knew better period
That's still assault. @stateofdisorder1
How was provoking the entire incident self-defense?
“He was acting like a creep, so we taunted the shit out of him and pushed him and slapped him around. Suddenly he tried to defend himself!! Why would he do that?!?” This is a miscarriage of justice.
Now all these teenagers drunks are innocents? What the hell?
So it's okay for teens to get high and drunk and assault someone who was defending himself? What did the teens get, no arrests, no cuffs, but are free to bully people. Smh
Only thing he was defending was his ego. Guilty as charged.
What a stupid remark.
Yeah damn kids pulling his pants down then fighting themselves with knives. So since you are so sure they were high and drunk what were their BAC and drug types and concentrations. Issac had a BAC of .02 and no drugs in system. So glad Mui is going to feel the full weight of PENAL System. One can't claim SD when that person initiates contact and starts assault. You don't get to strike someone for touching your arm.
@@brinkee7674did you not watch the case they level 1.9 and they admitted to drink and smoking weed .
@@brinkee7674BS, “Isaac Schuman's blood alcohol concentration (BAC) was .21, more than twice the legal limit.” You are way off on what you said his BAC was.
Saw video and testimonies. What hit me is that everyone materially involved in this tragic incident acted abysmally.
Everyone was drunk, sadly these things happen
@@mr_hollow8567he was 1000% not guilty. The power of the state coerced this trial in their favor. They do NOT care about citizens.
The only person who acted abysmally was Mr. Miu. He attacked the boys, he punched a woman, he stabbed people. And for what? For free speech. Calling him names is just free speech. Mr. Miu could have just walked away.
@@holz_name ummmmm that isn’t what free speech is lmao! 😂
@@holz_name He did act abysmally. But the kid who FALSELY accused him of being a pedo instigating it? Disgusting. And the girl who shouted in his face? And the kids acting like hyenas egging violence on? And the kids who pushed and slapped him? ALL acted abysmally. ALL.
I’m a bit conflicted with this verdict. It appears this defendant looked extremely confused and scared. These teens were bullies and why did the female insert herself into the drama ?
I smile and laugh when I'm.nervous and scared, the video is hard to watch because I see a scared older gentleman. That woman escalated the entire thing for sure!
An aggressor cannot claim self-defense.
Mui charged the kids, and assaulted them then hung around with them while they asked him to leave, then he drew his knife, then he assaulted a woman, then, when the kids retaliated, the stabbed five people, killing one.
Same here. Everybody was at fault in this scenario. They were all drunk, including Miu. Drunk people do really stupid things, all based on emotions. The kids were scummy to the hilt, but Miu's judgement was impaired and he let his temper take over.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 The kids heckled Miu. Miu stabbed five, killing one. MIU IS THE SCUMBAG.
So you can no longer defend yourself against a mob of people that, won't let you leave, physically over powering you.
Our court system is so fucked up and so is the jury.
He walked up to them he could have just left them instead he walked up to them and pulled a knife stabbing people some who didnt even attack him
1) learn to read
2) read the law on self defense
3) watch the video
4) listen to the testimony
STFU until you do the work.
Sore loser much? Did you get a lot of participation trophies as a child?
Come to the USA learn OUR ways!
@@styphlynne8253the ways of Sin and evil apparently
When are the teens going to get charged?
I guess when hell freezes over!! No accountability.
You’re a crazy person.
@@annannmare157what? Your stupid absolute ignorance, you stab stab people when you get pushed over, it’s simple, there’s a very very clear and definite line on when you can and CANT use deadly force.
@@annannmare157 just because you act like a drunk teenager doesn’t mean you deserve death. For gods sake has your generation forgot what y’all got away with?? Back in the day people just got beat up for acting like fools. Not murdered and gutted. Sheeesh
Stay inside grampa or you're likely to hurt yourself.
The vast majority of comments are defensive of Miu. However, let’s consider the following.
Maybe first and FOREMOST, Miu had NO, zero, injuries other than scraped knuckles and minor abrasions on his back that he, himself, stated were caused by himself falling backwards because of “bad shoes”. This according to impartial hospital staff. NO bruises, cuts, black eyes, swollen body parts, abrasions (other than backside), or ANY injuries large or small. So, to say that he was attacked by a mob, or an individual, is unfounded.
Second, none of the teens had any weapons. Only Miu.
Next, it was Miu who initially approached/engaged/interfered with the teens. Not the reverse.
Additional information (not evidence per se) is unlike alcohol, the effects of marijuana are non-aggressive. A person under the influence tends to be mellow, non-confrontational.
Miu, and his group were intoxicated.
Drinking and smoking marijuana is a very common part of floating a popular river in summer months. Common amongst most everyone regardless of age for generations.
Very, very similar to Fourth of July activity.
It wasn’t the teenagers who approached and interfered with Miu’s group floating the river. To the contrary. And, regardless of what Miu’s motivation, when asked, then told to go away, he persisted and ignored their directives to ‘go away…walk away…get the F out of there.
Name calling is NOT reason to escalate a situation to violence.
Miu was the aggressor. Miu was the person who didn’t get the ef away when told to do so. Miu was the perpretator and assailant. Miu was drunk. Miu attempted to hide the weapon and lied to authorities. Miu had NO injuries according to police and hospital staff. NONE.
There was no attack by a ‘mob’ of aggressive teenagers.
The jury of twelve unanimously agreed. Not a court, a judge, lawyers but 12 independent jurors who listened and watched ALL the evidence presented by both the prosecution and the defense and UNANIMOUSLY agreed that Miu assaulted and murdered the teenagers. Unanimously. Had even one juror disagreed then Miu would have been set free. Twelve jurors of HIS peers. Not twelve teenage jurors.
So, when you say they ‘got it wrong’, it’s more likely YOU got it wrong. Either because YOU didnt watch/listen to ALL the testimony and evidence or, you have your prejudice about teenage boys?
Ask yourselves (and answer honestly) if reversed and those stabbed were middle-aged by a teen or a black man, then who would you say was the perpretator?
Society will be a safer place with Miu behind bars. The jury got it right. Our judicial system worked!
This needs to be the top comment!!
What a joke, shows how broken the justice system is. The fact they can add charges to guarantee a conviction at the end should terrify anyone ever charged
They didn't add charges. YOU just don't understand how the system works and bought a con by the defense. Every murder charge has a downward departure.
@JoeLene_ exactly why the system is broken we can't get you on this so we'll get you on this charge instead. State will get you one way or the other
@@robertmead6543Fun fact: Don't stab someone and you won't be charged.
What's wrong with these teens?? Ohio State Univ did a study and found "Nearly half of teachers are considering quitting or transferring jobs, with one of the main reasons being the violence and threats made against them"
New York Post headline in December "Teachers are quitting in droves because they’re scared of student violence - and a lack of punishment"
You should try to understand the system before they find you next because our criminal justice system is extremely complex which is why all Americans should stop ignoring the system and actually get educated on it.
All those charges they had were simple charges too they could have added even more charges to this case, but the more charges you add the harder it is for the case.
This was absolutely self defense. These kids surrounded him . This was self defense .. these kids were a bunch of drunk bullies who started everything and ruined a man’s life
Agreed
So bullying someone is an excuse to kill? Guess you have a strong stance on school shootings. Also key word KIDS. Maybe the adult should have acted like one.
Can’t even protect yourself these days
They wouldn’t have surrounded them if he didn’t run up to them and grab their tubes while they were sitting. He murdered them to protect his ego. That’s all.
If he only told the truth, or didn't say anything to the police he would have perhaps had a better chance.
He gets to go to jail for rightfully defending himself.. while the system is a revolving door for gangbangers and thugs
Being vulnerable to being Bullied-the Charge👀 PTSD and BS for life-the Sentence! 🤮 Injustice is served BARF!🤮 🤮🤮🤮
This is not 1st degree. and now you must charge everyone involved in bullying, harrasing, instigating that day esp the one filming, and those who physically hurt him
Exactly!!!
No one is gonna prosecute the victims of a psychotic romanian stabbing spree
It's on camera ffs. They assaulted him.
Sorry, but you guys are wrong.
Stop the nonsense!! Justice served