Apple River stabbing trial: State's rebuttal to closing arguments [FULL]
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- St. Croix County prosecutor Brian Smestad gave the state's rebuttal to the defense's closing argument, calling Miu a skilled liar, noting he got caught in lies during his testimony on Tuesday.
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Hes not a skilled liar. Hes actually horrible at it.
And I thought Trump was an unskilled liar. 🤣
@@briansmith5293trumps an absolute G
all the witnesses lied on the stand.
What you think Bidens family is not liars??? Cmon now you brainwashed all politicians are liars or are you not paying attention in life???
@JWL
Yes but if the boy didn't film him, would he be believable? Yes. We only know he is lying because of the video.
'Avoiding Consequences " - basically says it all. He was determined to walk away from that river, and go home, never letting on that he was even involved in that incident. "What is going on, heard someone got stabbed", he said to the police officer.
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
None of that matters regarding self defense.
The fact that he refused to walk away when he had plenty of opportunity and people were telling him to leave tells me he stayed, because he was ANGRY, not fearful.
Everyone that believes he was fearful refuses to explain that part other than, "he didn't have to leave." If you're fearful in a situation and you have the chance to leave you're leaving. You're not repeatedly turning your back on the teens you're fearful of.
The people that side with Miu here can't get past the defendant's framing, "old, feeble man got bullied by teens and defended himself," bs.
This guy wasn't feeble. He stabbed FIVE PEOPLE with zero injuries to himself. Someone's that feeble isn't doing that... wtf is wrong with you?
@@Anna-ww4pv Yet, he's the one claiming he was in fear, yet he didn't leave despite having plenty of chances. Instead, he stayed and took out a knife and even turned his back on the teens multiple times.
Instinctively, people don't turn their back on others unless they're running away.
Also, Miu proved he's a liar and that he'll lie about anything to get out of trouble, and even make things up completely.
The notion that citizens are subject to arbitrary orders from another is a tyrannical mindset.
Didn't they encircle him though? Like a pack of wolves
Why should he,it's a free River, and I believed if he hasn't walked away they would have continued to taunt him and possibly even drowned him
Hilarious that you think he has any obligation whatsoever to have to walk away, its a public area. What makes you think you have the right to gang up on anyone? Tell me when Miu was supposed to walk away? When these drunks were pushing him over and punching him in the face? All caught on camera too. These idiots fucked around and found out
Before he knew there was a video, he tried to lie and say he wasn't even there.
lol The 'children' _knew_ about the video and _they_ lied about it too. Soooo...
Doesn’t matter. Cope. You identify with those punks so you defend that behavior
@@undercoveragent9889 evil person discovered. go back to your hole.
For an odd, introverted immigrant engineer, he did a very unintelligent thing talking to police. Something serious and you are a suspect YOU NEVER TALK TO POLICE, Badged State Investigators, YOU NEVER TALK TO FEDERAL AGENTS. AND YOU ESPECIALLY NEVER TALK IF YOU ARE INNOCENT.
Had Miu been black, he would not have been charged.
Had Miu not concealed the knife, not lied to police, the investigator, the forensic nurse he would not have had angry to be lied at state DA's office throw him in jail for two years on a self defense case.
@@1chrisfordnot really that clear cut. Maybe if he pulled the knife on the 1st altercation. But the second altercation after everybody appeared to calmdown , he had his knife ready , clearly in the video And then attacks the girl who was speaking to him. Which is what proviked the kids to attack. This case could also be seen from the kids perspective as self defense. Only reason Miu is getting the piss. Is because he decided to use a lethal weapon. Instead of just explaining what he was doing “hey guys im looking for a phone”, nope. Instead he just touches their stuff , probably touched the kids while looking for the phone. imagine your family in that position a scraggly looking guy without explanation touching ur stuff and friends and not saying anything would think it suspicious and you would probably react with physical force
His actions after the stabbings do not match what his lawyers have constructed for him now. He had to lie about the knife because he knew he was wrong.
He was already in jail when he was interrogated. He was scared so he lied . Why was he in jail to begin with ? Did you watch the video ? How can you defend these horrible teenagers after seeing them bully and attack him ?
he was in jail for stabbing multiple people. How can you defend this convicted murder
@@Fatguylittlecoat1996
All he had to do is walk away.
@@todddanforth8853 He did. They followed him.
@@Fatguylittlecoat1996 He disguised himself when he left the scene. He threw away the knife at the scene. He was caught at the spot where the tubers would leave the river, ~ at some park. Google "Video of Nick Mui in police cruiser". He was NOT at the jail when the lies began. He is as guilty as sin.
Thought it odd Miu continually didn't remember a lot but only spoke about how he was "feeling"
Probably a strategy with his lawyer. Every trial is like a chess game and you decide your strategy
Why would that be odd?
We can all SEE what he did. the entire point of his testimony is to know WHY/how he felt.
He's kinesthetic.
That was an incredibly traumatic situation. His initial lies didn't seem suspicious, he seemed like a really traumatized individual, likely afraid that he wouldn't be treated fairlyl, and it turns out he hasn't been treated fairly.
He claims absolutely no anger though. The whole time he was never angered. I guess he is right. He wasn't angry, he was enraged!
If the video wasn't available he would have sowed seed the doubt
Only a fool would have believed even one word that came from it's mouth. His testimony was filled with contradictions as well as the police interrogation on that day. ALL of those involved, as well as witnesses, were questioned on the day of the murders. No one had time to get together to corroborate their stories. The way he spoke to the police officer from the police cruiser that day made my blood go cold. People are saying that HE was in shock and giving all sorts of excuses for him. Nonsense.
@@marymac789 That's how I feel about all those lowlife "children".
Unlikely - there were far far too many witnesses.
the video gave them the means to claim false narratives ( claiming the teens behaviour was in some way threatening, grossly exaggerating the extent to the which he was attacked, would not have conveniently caught everything except the start of the attack ect )
This prosecutor is so much better than the other one-I'm glad he did the closing rebuttal.
The prosecutor is a moron
YES!!! The other guy is about as interesting as a loaf of bread
Stay in your group….never leave your clan to go bother others
Ok commie. I bet you love daddy government 😂
100% As avid water adventurers we always stay to ourselves. Everyone should do the same. We always assume people are armed or have a weapon. Never underestimate what a person will do to protect their own life or their family and friends lives.
He didn't have to give the knife to the police. He needed to talk to noone bu,t his attorney. He was provoked, reacted in fear and then panicked afterwards. He was there searching for something, they were there tormenting for fun.
He took a knife to a non knife fight ….. guilty
@@jillianrose3288 He is the one that was bulling the kids, they were keep asking him to go away, to leave them alone.
Plus, he wasn’t been a good friend whenever he went to the kids, his friend Ariel already told him that he didn’t care about his phone, because the insurance covered the lost.
The bully went toward them looking for trouble.
Miu is a CREEP through and through. Mind blowing the amount of people in these comments I see defending him. That is just as creepy.
I got out through the ringer for speaking out that he was in the wrong and is guilty
Well, he is guilty
it's all the losers that identify with his creepiness and sees themselves in him so they're so desperate to see him get off. like lol try again, GUILTY !
Pulling the pants down lie was a really sick one to invent and shows the extent and depth of Miu’s mental derangement and detachment from reality. It also shows that predatory thoughts were top of mind for him. He will be in good company in prison with the other child murderers.
Justice for Dante, Tony, Madison, Rhylie, and Quinton who suffered greatly mentally due to having both sons stabbed, and was a true and Good Samaritan. Quinton, I hope you and your family see this comment one day. AJ, I am so sorry for the injuries and so grateful that you survived. you are a well spoken and kind person. To Iaac’s parents, there are no words to describe the horrific loss of your beautiful 17 year old son. My heart aches for you.
Good lord, you're sick.
Almost as sick as calling someone a raper.
If he is claiming "self defense" he def shouldn't of lied his azz off to police. I think he will get some charges, not first degree. Some of the ppl stabbed were not threatening his life, they were just near him when he got poke happy.
Miu went past self defense. He did not have to stab 5 people to defend himself.
so it was kinda self defence?
Something else happened because there was 2 knives
Wrong. The keep coming after him. Those men were the aggressors
@@sunnyshine4621 There was one knife, are you miu? lol.
@yGcH7 the law doesn't work that way. It is or it is not.
I wish this prosecutor had done the whole closing argument
When he took the knife out, the smirk became permanent.
Right!?! It was seriously creepy.
He stabbed a 90 pound girl who wasn't facing him or looking at him and his black shark eyes never showed a hint of emotion as he did it.
It was beyond a smirk.
Remember he had a mini stroke before his open heart surgery people will often have a bit of paralysis, which will give that illusion if you didn’t know
@@nathan8227 Correct. The mind boggles anybody can justify what that crazed psycho did to them kids. His ego was hurt by some kids calling him a pervert so that means he can start carving them up. So wrong! RIP Isaac 🙏
That man was not afraid. When he had that knife in his hand and no one knew it he had glee in his eyes. He was enjoying himself. Sick, sick man.
Yes he did appear to be enjoying himself immensely, I think his family knows he is a predator.
He rubbed that knife through his shorts, sorta like psychopath.
He was a psychopath, no doubt, looked like he was having a orgasm before he punched her.
@@bluefenixalchemy7this man is a veteran, an intelligent mechanical engineer with multiple degrees, and was a life long law abiding citizen with not one speeding ticket, not a single slight. That is until he cut the guts out of these young people. He has tried too hard to be perfect and In the end, he’s apparently a psychopath. The nicest, most put together people are, IMO, the worst behind closed doors. Why didn’t his friends or wife speak up? Bc they’re scared of him also.
@@bluefenixalchemy7 that's a really gay thing to say.
He was angry not scared. Pure evil what He did.
No one deserved what he did. God bless all those injured&traumatized.
I'm convinced the people on his side are bots.
LOL yeah, and those "kids" were regular angels and Boy Scouts.
He should have known better to talk to the Police before speaking to an attorney. I can understand why anymore does this….
Innocent people frequently do because they don’t have anything to hide.
The cops lied to Miu when he asked for an attorney. They told him he had to wait over the weekend and proceeded to ask him questions. He never got his miranda rights either. This case was bogus. Some spazz trying to grandstand to his pack fell into a knife while trying to push an old man into the river.
@@A-privilege-not.a-right yes, 5 people fell into a knife. 😂🤦🏼
Because meyhikans aren't that smart !
@@Treviso100 They weren't people; look at their last name. They're Jews.
They should have investigated more into the mans psych and emotional history for a better background on him. Lots of psychos have no rap sheet till they get caught killing
It’s irrelevant.
I was thinking this as well. But, there must not be any history or the prosecution would have used it.
@@Treviso100 It's actually relevant.
@@alanboody7004 What’s happened in his past has no relevance as to whether this was self defense. But to answer your question, he’s never be even had a parking ticket. He’s a highly educated engineer who speaks 5 languages. He’s an upstanding citizen, especially compared to the drunken lowlifes who were hassling him and attacking him, just for the fun of it.
@@motherofcats2712 he’s never even had a parking ticket.
I seen several times miu could have walked off
@rayray2878 "No duty to retreat".-Wisconsin Law.
His interogation says everything about who this "man" is
Yea, innocent
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971nah man things appeared to have cooled down and then he provoked a reaction out of the kids while he had the knife ready by attacking the girl. He knew the kids would attsck him again if he assaulted the women. Very premeditated
@@lukeGGlee they chased him down, video shows that, they surrounded him, he was assaulted and he defended himself. He pushed a girl who was touched him. You identify with the drunk teens, that’s why you’re upset. Stop being a fool. You didn’t watch the video or testimonies. You’re ignorant
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 nope
@@rarenathan please explain little kid
This man was not scared he snapped! Utter disregard for human life! Guilty on all counts! This man will go to jail today, mark my words.
How about the bullies disregard for human life? These kids are f'd up for starting this situation. Are you an entitled a$$hole too?
I hope so, he shouldn't be free on the streets to hurt others. Also I'd like to see his wife's medical history. I bet he's got a long history of physical abuse?
@@australianwoman9696 it’s no coincidence she divorced him after this incident.
They have been marked.
@@TheMaleficent1 😝
This rebuttal was a master stroke. I'm so gratified that he was found guilty. I was hoping he would be convicted of murder, but I'm not surprised that 12 people wouldn't agree to that. Had I been on the jury I would've spent a lot of time trying to convince the holdouts that the case for at least 2nd degree murder had been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
The people defending him seem to be callous and damaged people. It's a real sign of a sick society that so many people would defend him.
I also believe it should have been premeditated murder. It was testified, by HIS own group, that he went back to his group at least once. I believe that he went back to fetch that knife and that is what makes it premeditated. I also believe that you are absolutely right with respect to those who defend him being damaged people. How else could they relish in the death of a 17-year old boy? They fell for the defense attorney's lies as well. Not able to see the truth of things with their own eyes. Those who took the stand, with the exception of Mui, DID tell the truth of what they saw that day. They all admitted that they were wrong in taunting the creature and they all admitted that they should not have done that. They admitted their short comings in the action. NO LIES...it was two years ago and they had gone through a horrible tragedy. Mui did nothing but lie through his teeth and kept blaming the victims.
Insanity would have been a better defense. Not retreating, Lying to police, the use of a lethal weapon against name calling. His “self snitching “ lies , guilty!
yes he is guilty. but those are not "boys", and they were horrible and uncalled for by all of them.
Exactly he is nutso
Yea, when you get surrounded by a bunch of drunk doped up idiots for no good reason, pushed and smacked don't forget to walk away. If they let you.
Under 18 not adults
Miu is guilty - having your ego hurt doesn't justify gutting people
Exactly right
I'm so sick of the thousands of comments blaming the kids, and saying if they hadn't taunted him nothing would have happened. That could be true, but it doesn't make them guilty, and it doesn't make Miu innocent either. It's mind-boggling the people saying the kids should be facing attempted murder on him. He is guilty of murder 100%.
Provoking a man to rage by bullying him and calling him a rapist and hitting him from all sides and pushing him down into the water and choking him doesn't make the victim a cold blooded killer who committed premeditated murder. That's just insane.
Amen !
No, but being pushed and punched by multiple people does.
I realize after reading these comments we’re doomed as a society . People are stupid and stupid people are in power!
Alcohol fueled paranoia regarding his friends phone. He grabbed the teenagers floating tube without explanation because his alcohol infused paranoia told him that one of the teenagers had his friends phone.
None of that matters in a court of law. What matters is who was attacking who and who defended themselves. The video speaks louder than anyone's testimony.
That’s some narrative gymnastics going on there
@@LS-kg6myThe blind will not see.
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
@@hopeausbyn1734 yup, it's all the people that think that telling someone to leave their space over and over and then when he put his hands on them first they start shoving him away warrants him stabbing multiple people, killing one with a knife through two ribs straight through his heart, and disemboweling another is appropriate response? lethal self defense doesnt work if you had the opportunity to safely retreat over and over but just refuse to do so. he clearly wasnt that scared considering he hung around after being told to leave their space and readied his knife before anyone even touched him
He certainly is bizarre, a bizarre creep
He's also unpredictable and a danger to anyone he perceives as weaker than himself, he's a dangerous bully and deserves to be sent to prison
The same could be said about you.
@@kevin.afton_ And here we can see the underbelly of those who would support the likes of the lying murderer. What in the name of time would get in to someone to cause them to speak to another person on the internet who was just speaking their own mind? Bully??
After stabbing someone in back you can’t claim self defence. After stabbing he left scene , threw away knife , when police confronted him he said kids were fighting down there pretending to know nothing , he said kids had knifes another lie.
Who…got stabbed in the back??
Yeah- he said and did weird things after.
Doesn't matter in the least. We have the video of what happened.
Did it occur to you that the blow to the head affected his memory?
@@UzeUrBrain it absolutely matters.
@@l-train7876 Tony
@@UzeUrBrainthe nurse had a tough time trying to find anything except those from being on his knees on the stones using his snorkel. He even told her that. No bump on his head at all. You definitely need to do your homework on medical causations.
SINCE HE WAS SO SCARED THAT MURDERER COULD OF WALKED AWAY FROM THE RIVER AT ANY TIME HE WANTED TO.
And so couldv the dum@$$ kids who wouldn't leave him alone
so could the kids
They were literally pushing his head under the water.
@@MindsDozeryeah he literally gutted them as if they were anymals and stabbed him in the heart , get your priorities straight
@@oziequelque2057what would you do if you were being attacked?
I wonder if this would have happened if everyone was sober there all guilty of being drunk idiots
And one is guilty of murder.
I think the state made a great case here such a sad situation.
‘For the culture’ words by the guy videoing the mess- look up ‘for the culture’ in the Urban Dictionary.
Laws werent written using the urban dictionary. What a rediculous comment "look in the urban dictionary".
I thought it was for "da culture."
This attorney won it. The other guy is super weak. He can’t ask a good question at all. This attorney is the best out of that group.
I wonder how the prosecutor would respond if he was surrounded by intoxicated people looking for a fight
He would walk away, see how I solved that?.
Probably like a rational person would. Either walk away or ask why are you being so belligerent.
You could visibility see how easy Mui gets aggravated . During cross-examination, he was aggravated, turned red, and rude to the attorney.
He certainly looked liked he was controlling his anger. This was probably drilled into him.
The man is in poor health and has been locked up for two years and might spend his entire life in jail , what do expect him to look like ?
I am thankful he didn't go after the prosecutor
But he was only at a one on the anger scale, that day. He drank only “two beer” and never goes over one on the anger scale. But ohhh, ten on the fear scale! Good Grief!! 🙄🤦♀️
But you're trying to make a claim whether he's a Noble or dishonest saint.. if anything you should question the boys. They started this and if you're looking at an old coot outnumbered 13 to 1 who just had quadruple bypass surgery.. your empathy is misplaced
Let's be clear here. He didn't have to turn around and re-approach those people. He didn't have to brandish a deadly weapon. He could have tried to leave. He never did. He pulled a knife and held it by his side, and stood there. He waited. He didn't run. Self defense goes out the window.
That being said, in the video, it seems like Miu was in actual danger for his life twice. But considering the above, he didn't need to be in either situation.
1. When he was first punched into the water and then struck again, and stood over.
2. After they were pushing him into the water from behind his back when he was already down.
I'd think second degree murder is more accurate here, but not first. Brandishing the knife and standing still instead of running implies he intended to do great harm, but this doesn't look pre-meditated, unless we are arguing that his pre-meditation is within about 10-20 seconds of the incident.
if only
911: What's your emergency?
Miu: Yes, hi, I'm at the Apple River with my friends and one my friends lost his phone. I went looking for it and a group of teens.They are harassing me. I don't feel safe. I think also one of them might have the phone too.
911: OK what's your location.
Miu: By the bridge on the Apple River.
911: Can I get your Name
Miu: Nicolae Miu
911: Just stay with your group. Do not approach the teens. We will have an officer come by.
People, this is what you do. I'm a little bid older than Miu.
No winners here.
Just call the police.
So sad how peoples egos are so inflated they refuse to back down. And reading the comments, Mr. Miu is not unique in his feelings, many people are willing to murder, for a perceived slight.
@@iWillProbablyDieOnTwoWheels Verdict came back. Guilty of 1st Degree Reckless Homicide.
But he didn't have a phone. Remember?
He not that smart because anyone else would had walk away. But he wanted trouble and he found it. And so did the group for acting like idiots and someone lost a life and couple of then got stab also because they wanted to be followers.
Nah you're just stupid
Isaac was the only one from the boy's group to be stabbed and he passed away. All of the others that were stabbed etc., were from Group #2, the group that came when they heard the boy's cries for help. The creature is a psycho. GUILTY as charged and I hope he never sees the light of day again. No chances to get his feewings hurt and do this again.
The predators like Juwahn Cockfeld should have walked away. Nic did walk away and the lunatic bully teens (Juwahn leading) followed him to Maddy and both groups surrounded him. You'd know that if you watched the video. Maddy was never punched or slapped. That is another lie and therefore it is not on video. Everyone in this deadly riot lied to Police - it was discussed in court.
His lies are called self preservation. What woild the lies of the others be called? Malicious?
Good point in this situation
So it's ok for him to lie? Wow you people will make up any excuse for this guy.
@@minilea25 no but its understandable
@minilea25 people are passionate in defending monsters like this guy. Insanity
@@mylesolson4734 I'm glad the jury didn't think like you.
He was convinced they stole the phone and wasn't going to let it go. He took the knife to confront them. He had a plan to head toward them, that's why Mr. Williams tried to discourage it.
Exactly! I thought I was the only one who figured that one out!
He knew what he was getting into..he was tapping that knife EARLY!!
@SunFlower-sf1go Looks like maybe the jury figured it out too. I'm a good deal older than Miu, I also see the point that he was in THEIR space. Yeah, they were obnoxious, but if they thought he was just some pervy guy, I wouldn't expect them to say welcome aboard. Alcohol on both sides clouded perceptions.
VIDEO DOES NOT LIE.
all the witnesses committed perjury on the stand.
you do realize he punched the girl in the head first and that's the reason they pushed him down and slapped them. Then this miserable cowardly psycho starts stabbing everyone. Not too mention he ran up on them aggressively and then makes the first physical act.
No, they didn’t. They told what happened from their memories. Memory isn’t a video. That’s why we need videos.
Including the murderer. 🤣
When did we see the video from the beginning to the end...none stop? Would you still say the same if it was your child that was brutally sliced? Would you be witness for the defendant against your child since the accused is innocent?
No they didnt but mui lied the day of the incident and when interigated by police. Please research the entire story
NEVER MAKE A STATEMENT TO POLICE
Bizarre is not used as an often used word anymore. Perfect description of ghis creep.
The mayor is really eloquent
I'm not sure why any lies, made up details or omissions makes him guilty (of not acting in self defense?). I’m not saying I know for sure, but one possibility is maybe he assessed that the 13 or so youngsters, some of whom had already accused him of ‘looking for little girls’ with no reason, were also going to lie that they didn’t touch him. It would have been many against him alone of acting in self defense. Nic did not know there was a video, which does prove how the gang treated him- just a pity camera man was not smart enough capture proof of a punch by Nic to the girl. If not for that video, he may have been in a worse situation, with no proof of their taunting. I can understand why he was still in fear enough of a murder conviction to make stuff up. He would not have been able to use his best reasoning in both the incident and the post incident adrenaline fight/flight state.
The boy Miu murdered never said Miu was looking for girls. 2 or 3 of the teens said that, and none of them were touched except when Miu grabbed the tubes, brushing their thighs. Please stop spreading the lie that 13 people said he was looking for little girls. When he walked toward the boys, one of whom was the most loudly mocking him, he reached to hold their tubes which touched their legs and thighs. They thought that was creepy. Miu was by himself without a tube, way ahead of his group. That means he looked odd. That was all before the girls came over. They came over because their group was waved to come over. Miu is not the only person with "feelings". At every step, Miu escalated the physical altercation. Miu chose to be alone away from his group, ahead of his group, across the river from his group. That's not what an "old" "weak" "feeble" person does.
@@Lei3195i I stand corrected (I'm not too well at the time of my comment). It may not have been all 13 people who said the exact same thing - that he was looking for little girls, but they were either saying he was a pedo or jeering in response, so they may as well have been, when they had no basis. Looking 'odd' or acting creepy, to their eyes (his behavior did have some context if you listen to what he understood from his point of view) was not justification to start insulting him. The intimidation was very uncomfortable to view. He had no reason to think they would tell the truth later so in a way they may have set the rules. If any of them come up with some credible evidence that the girl who came over was punched by him, as opposed to being pushed off him after she kept touching or shouting at (and not listening or helping) him, and the reason for the others to either punch and hold him down, or jeer (or film in one case) as their idea of entertainment, then I reserve judgement. I do wish there had been some sensible adults or parents to step in to prevent this tragedy.
So thankful that the jury got this one right.
What people really need to recognize is that this was an adult man, not some poor decrepit elderly person who barely spoke English, but affluence intelligent adult male approximately the same age as the fathers of these children. This would put him into the position of being the person that makes the adult decisions in this situation.
Truly all he had to do was walk away but instead he chose to physically aggress upon these kids.
Doing so is what caused them to call for other people to help.
Enter into the seen some barely adults. The first person he physically assaulted with someone who had just entered the scene and was telling him to do exactly what he needed to do, which was walk away.
Why is the 22-year-old more mature than the 53-year-old?
Whatever justified him to punch this woman in the face? Absolutely nothing, but that is the thing that sparked the rest of the physical confrontation. Notes, he already had the knife in his hand. Contemplating whether or not he was going to stab this woman or punch her. He chose to punch her and then stab a different woman.
The methods that he used to stab these people and gut two of them we're not impromptu. It takes force, rage, and effort to stab someone deeply and for that matter to gut someone with a tiny knife.
He then ran off and tried to cover up his crimes. He was calm when police met him. He was not nervous, nor did he show any remorse or upset that he had harmed other people. Most people who do that in self-defense feel very bad about it. Most people who act in self-defense are very honest with the police and everyone around them.
He ran off, put on a disguise, and tried to sneak out and escape accountability. He then lied to police with a straight face and a calm demeanor like a total psychopath.
Do I like the kids behavior in this situation? No, but none of them committed any executable offense. They were kids and he was an adult and he decided he wanted to hurt people that day. He deserves consequences. I have a feeling he's gotten away with a lot of harming others
quadruple bypass surgery and is clearly way past physical and mental prime. Trying to use his age against him is hilarious.
They all lied.
He the only murderer though
They recited what they thought they saw from two years before. He completely fabricated everything that happened a couple hours after to a detective during an interrogation.
There's a HUGE f'n difference and you know this.
@alanboody7004 no they didn't they lied over and over. Jump someone and touch might get lit up
@@TheBillyBlackwhat does murder mean?
@@TheBillyBlack Define.
Lying is the same as a first degree? He probably got scared after realizing what happened. Charge him for perjury along with all the witnesses on the other side. One even said she didn’t know her left from her right. A medical professional.
I actually think this particular statement from the prosecution was very effective. Had some slow points, definitely. But this statement is the first I’ve heard that makes me think, “well, if they convict him, that’s understandable.”
Well said!!!
Not Guilty
@pandapoet244 thank god I don't need to watch the trail anymore, thanks judge 👍
He just doesn’t remember anything & made up stories, but he doesn’t remember that either 😶🌫️
Your dense. Get help.
Mui had no idea there was a video when he lied to police and concocted a story that made himself look innocent. He is guilty af and he knows it!
He's not on trial for impeding an investigation or falsifying information. It's a murder trial with video evidence. He could even claim he feels he's guilty and still be found innocent.
Self Defense . I can see not telling the truth - even if you act in self defense, you get prosecuted and bankrupted
Guilty of self defense 100%
Those teens are the same type of teens that get schools shot up. The exact same ones. They’re ass holes and their parents enable & allow it & everyone excuses it and it’s gross. I hope they learn from this because they’re absolutely responsible. It’s ridiculous that they can lie about everything yet nobody is upset about that. Isaac shouldn’t have choked him. He was surrounded by a dozen people all screaming at him, not taking turns so he could take notes. Of course he lied because he knows that the “culture” demonizes older white men, that is the MO.
@@AZDESERT2024 Well, 1. don't talk to the police, because 2. it was used against him.
And successfully so, no "self defense" here, dude is now a convicted murderer.
Speaking of lying how many lies did the teenagers lie combined.
But they didn't have any weapons on them and they didn't kill this "old poor man" guilty ! 💯!!
I didn't watch everyone's testimony. What lies did they tell? I'm legitimately interested.
@lupitajohnson1526 You're probably a little slow. You wouldn't have his reaction without their actions. I doubt he would have just stabbed someone for absolutely no reason.
The entire gang of 12 lied on the stand. They actually believe they were innocent in this entire affair. Pathetic.
Starting with “he punched me”. Maddison should be sitting on trial next
Was this guy in Moscow, Idaho on 13 November 2022, because to me, he looks like a serial killer. He has no remorse, no empathy.
My thoughts exactly! 🧐 What happened on that date ? Was there a similar incident? I believe there are many more skeletons in his closet!
I'm curious too about why that place and day.
He surely fled in a coherent and premeditated manner.. BUT:
What chills my blood is his entire group just rolling with it despite what they heard/saw. Miu might be off the streets, but the rest aren't. And there's no evidence to indict them on aiding and abetting.
Bigger question is how do you know what's in Miu's mind so well? You don't, you're just blabbing nonsense.
@@australianwoman9696 That’s what I’m thinking as well, he knows how to use the knife and how to cause the most damage, isn’t the first time he knifed somebody.
@user
Are you asking me? Because I was attacked and I believe the monster was a serial killer. His friend was aiding. 2 other guys were watching a foot away and 3 feet away. He was laughing and calm, like Miu, when he thought he was killing me, , like Miu, he was middle aged, he walked away calmly after he badly damaged me, for no reason, like Miu walked off calmly. And women I've spoken to who were almost killed in assaults say their attackers were calm and carried on as normal after they inflicted horrifying injuries on them.
You have not met a serial killer have you?
This is as premeditated as it gets. Just because it happened within a short amount of time doesn't mean it's any less evil.
I believe he went back to get the knife .. why else would he lung at them
You are delusional
Do you know what premeditated means? lol
@@HarmlessComment Yes, it's where someone decides they're going to kill another person and puts a plan in motion.
Premeditation can be exactly how it happened Miu took out his knife and pushed/hit Maddie causing the physical reaction from Maddie's brother.
Both sides share guilt, but the adult in the room, Mr Miu should have been smart enough to steer clear of the tubes gang in the first place, this was all so avoidable, sad for those killed and injured. Bottom line alcohol makes you stupid no matter what age you are, and noone should have been drinking out on the water period.
Bottom line is it is wrong to murder people because your feelings got hurt.
@@toddsummerwinddamm right
I like this guy. He says it how it is. 💯
He lied about TWO boys having knives because he claimed he "grabbed one of their knives and poked them with their own knife ". If it was only one boy and he took the knife away the threat was over. He had to say they still had a knife because he had stabbed four more kids!
He can be charged for obstruction and hiding evidence for his lies after the event, but rational people know why he lied. It wasn’t because he’s guilty. It was because:
1) It’s well known that people act irrationally right after a very traumatizing event, saying and doing things w/o truly thinking them through properly because of fight or flight mode’s affect on the mind/body. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing.
And 2) He didn’t know there was video taken of the incident, so in his mind it was his word versus the word of 13 young adults that had already loudly lied about him and defamed him from the beginning, which kicked all of this off with the inciting of a mob action. In the interview at the police station, Miu says very clearly after the officer says something about him acting in self defense: _“Yeah, but this is Wisconsin,”_ and _“people who defend themselves end up being accused of being this and being that...”_
He obviously thinks that if he were to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, he wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to be seen as innocent under the law. He thinks if perhaps he just tweaks a few facts, it will give him the edge he needs. And I’m sure that his memory of how things went down was very unclear too, because of how fast and traumatic the ordeal was. The brain goes into protection mode by blocking things out and making things up that didn’t actually happen.
I truly feel for the guy. He acted out of panic after the incident was over, which is understandable. He has an unblemished record, and has never been a problem with any of his friends/co-workers/spouse from their testimonies. No background at all of violence or anger management issues. His wife testified to the fact that she still loves him. They had to get a divorce to protect their assets. Someone at his age doesn’t just suddenly, randomly become a mrder.
His age and very poor health meant that if he hadn’t defended himself, it is very likely he would be the one to have died that day. Even one good shove on his chest could have done it, because of his recent QUADRUPLE bypass heart surgery! If his head hit a rock as he was being punched to the ground, he could have died. They might have even drowned him. He was in a VERY vulnerable state, and those “kids” were treating him like a punching bag!
Doesn’t make him guilty of the charges they filed
They’re very specific
They know they won’t win that’s why they gave him lesser charges to consider yesterday
@@anti-ethniccleansing465what a load of 💩
He self-snitched.
@@NunyaBizness2.0 Whatever, he's still going to prison. I hope he doesn't try to snitch while in there. I work in Corrections. Snitches are considered the lowest in there.
Someone should give this guy a tony award for the way he grabbed his paper off the podium at the end.
Brian, if he were a skilled liar, you wouldn't have known he was lying. That was a perfectly human response, we all lie. Just be thankful that YOU didn't have to find out what you would have said and done in that situation. And above all, be grateful for the paychecks you drew at his expense. Jesus, dude.
The amount of ignorant people in this in this comment section is terrifying. Literally none of you have ever been in a fight. If you've never been bullied like this guy was bullied... THEN YOU WERE THE BULLY OR A COWARD.
The people amazed that he didn't announce to the hyenas that he had the knife. You can tell they've never been in a fight. He should announce it? That probably would have gotten him killed.
You are crazy! Listen to your words! Bullied? What is this middle school? He was lurking and grabbing at them because he just knew those teens had his friends phone and he was going to demand it back with his knife! He's a cold blooded killer who harassed some drunken high schools kids on a river. What about their rights? They were innocent and didn't have the phone! He started this all.
He could have at any point walked away. No excuse
He’s a horrible liar and horrific abuser!! Listen to what Miu says in his interview with Brandi Hart (investigator) before he knew the event was videotaped- “now the Apple River is going to be closed “
Oh, thank God. I wish Wisconsin would be closed. I hate all of Wisconsin forever.
He started lying from the moment he said he wanted to “look for the phone “ he was trying to be involved with the Teens ! Simple.Enzo knows this . His Wife knows this. He is skilled. Oh there’s pictures?????😢
A true example of “fuk around and find out.” The teenagers instigated the incident and found out.
Miu found out what it's like to live the rest of his life in a bathroom.
He did first
Damnnn... this lawyer destroyed Him... QUILTY big-time
Really? Strongly disagree. The prosecution does not seem confident in their case imho.
He may be quilty but he is 100% innocent
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Not Guilty that Prpsecutors a piece pf sh1t even he knows thatans not guilty you can tell he knows that mans not guilty.
Everyone was drunk that day and everyone made bad decisions. Everyone should be guilty.
Nah you're just stupid
Miu is definitely a pathological liar!
Miu is a monster.
So are those young adults they all had their part in this
@jaynestewart-js6by nah they didn't stab anyone
More of a Mike than Sulley though.
@jaynestewart-js6by You're a monster if you, like Miu, are too ignorant to understand the concept of "sticks and stones." Nobody laid a hand on him until after he had already started attacking people. Idiots like you who can't separate your feelings from your actions are always going to be a detriment to society.
@@user-tr8fs7lm8rmore of a Jack the Ripper or Ted Bundy.
Severed ribs? That’s a bit far fetched until I see an autopsy.
This guy is lying his ass off
The ME stated they were severed. That was in the report and what he stated on the stand. Who is just a assistant medical examiner who works for a medical examiner at the county office.
No connection to them- and he did the autopsy on issac- who had 2 severed ribs, a slice in the heart and lung and blood filling the body cavity
Watch the evidence then? The autopsy report showed that and the medical examiner testified to it.
@@dragonmama08Just an assistant medical examiner? That's his title. He is an MD who is board certified in forensic medicine.
See medical examiner testimony. It's evidence.
How can they expect anybody to give a precise second to Second description of what happened that day when a person is in Terror of their own life, they have been cast into a nightmare because of a bunch of punks, this is a Witch Hunt that should not be.
No one expects it, but when your stories don't match up, questions arise.
If you are scared of a group, why would you continue to approach them when you are OUTSIDE...?
Can't be said enough, this guy's rebuttal won the case
He didn’t win they didn’t get intentional it was almost a not guilty. It will be appealed. This trial was built on falsehoods. The jury was asleep. 😴
Not buying the innocent "Boyz" story. Not after seeing the video.
Wow, the DA didn’t watch the videos? who is hitting who
🤖🤖
The video is only part of the story. Apparently you don't entire story.
Yeah, but the issue was who was stabbing who.
@@Knick-Knackso, apparently choking, drowning or punching is ok. It’s only the stabbing that bothers you, got it.
Look up the legal definition of assault and come back, genius
@@Sergei__v Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was a murder [and attempted murder] trial were the victims were stabbed.
I didn't know it was an simple assault trial over a scuffle in water. Silly me.
For Nicky to say he's a frail old man is ridiculous. He gave no effs about being old his surgery nothing when he killed he did it intentionally and fast
It’s terrible that violence came out of the situation because of a missing phone.
This would have been so powerful if there wasnt a video of the events. Tony breaks it up? Nah i think Nic broke up the fight, with his knife. Tony was standing around holding a beer.
you do realize he punched the girl in the head first and that's the reason they pushed him down and slapped them. Then this miserable cowardly psycho starts stabbing everyone. Not too mention he ran up on them aggressively and then makes the first physical act.
He clearly attempted to break it up. Look again. It's undeniable.
@@NoName-eq4fc lol the carlson group escalated the situation a lot and people from their group admitted to it on the stand dude. Not sure why you think tony was some hero here. How about deescalate from the get go instead of let the river karen scream in the mans face exciting the mob even more. The dad should have gone over alone is the solution, i think, i dunno, he seemed reasonable on the stand but who knows, he also sent his drunk kids over instead. Terrible decision.
@@kennybobby201You are right!!
Escalated or clarified the best way for Nic to remove himself from the situation? They weren’t nice boo hoo. Cry about it more.
Guilty , very guilty and ive watched this whole trial ,
He could of walked away & did ,but came back .
If this was in TEXAS and I was on that jury, im 58yrs old .
He would get the death penalty.
Even lied to police in the police car , walked away after killing the 17yr old, disnbowled another young man, punched a young lady in her face , slashed another young lady .
Because he is a narcissist and liar .
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS !!
You're very disturbed.
You couldn't give him the death penalty with one vote wtf is wrong with you
They could have shut up and walked away.
I'm in Texas also. All my friends and family think he innocent of any wrongdoing. Even if he did it just cause he was mad we still think it's justified. So don't try and speak for Texas you crybaby
@@dd-ho7bm people like you , is the reason are country is so messed up , bully someone else , I'm not Disturbed , I lost my 19 yr old daughter, I know how it feels to lose a child due to a narrassist.
You have some growing up to do. Look at the likes at my comment,
But I'm crazy .
Grow up !
It's disgusts me how it's lawful for lawyers to lie.
If you are having hard time understanding this situation, this case is a classical example of FAFO. My man clutched 1v5.
Guilty and fos! He tried to lie and act like he wasnt there and he even admitted he lied ! Dude is weird af and so are all the people denfending him
Edit: found guilty! now deal with it all you saying its self defense! lol yall tried it!
You obviously have kids and are biased toward rotten lying teens
I'm not weird for defending the self defending guy .. hope kids and parents learned you can't be intoxicated and start a fight especially on the river .. are parents proud
@@sherryscarabino255The weird guy was also drinking did ya know that? That also should be put into the equation, however he started it and he should have never pulled his knife out! Those teens did not deserve that!😢
@sherry
You're not weird you're just ignorant, he rushed the group and touched the boys legs - eewww
NOT GUILTY
The look in his eyes when Madison was yelling at him was pure evil. It was in that moment that he was secretly pulling out his knife. Totally premeditated. He needs to go away for life without parole.
He didn't even say a word the entire time of the encounter. He is very weird and was looking for a fight that Day. Unfortunately if he is found not guilty the teen who was killed and the teens who was stabbed that Day will half to suffer even more knowing he is still out on the streets. Also if he is found not guilty Miu will not half to pay any price for the stabbing all while issac is no longer coming back and the ones stabbed and Alive still half to deal with the trauma this man caused. He is very guilty and seems to me he is insane.
Lol at thinking you can tell premeditation based on someone's face. Might as well charge everyone with conspiracy to commit murder 1 and then just show a picture of them not smiling.
i agree the girl was stabbed for no reason. How can they claim self defense when he attacked the girl who was simply talking to him…and the boys reacted because Miu got violent again but probably didnt notice the knife he had tucked under his arm
That makes her great woman
Everyone should be charge here
I'd agree with the state NM lied about the encounter when he got to the aftermath and ditching the cops. However, the kids lied as well, and we have video footage of the stabbing to see how it played out and I'd say there's reasonable doubt that he wasn't defending himself to a degree. What really stands out is the kids were the aggressors the entire time the video was playing. NM was the aggressor at the moment he charged the tubes, then tried to de-escalate the situation, then had the encounter as student's converged on him, and the entire time they escalated it until the actual encounter.
I bet Miu was internally gloating watching the damage and trauma he premeditatively physcotically concluded... he was trying to intimidate the kids originally by approaching them and creeping around the tubes to begin with.
No remorse
Agreed 👍🏼
They need to check his search history, when someone gets murderous by being called a Pedo. Maybe they hit the nail on the head, if the shoe fits, etc.
he went over because he seen the young girls' if the water had been deeper he was going 2 suit up and go underwater 2 look at the girls
Yupp creepy weirdo got triggered for sure
Wow, good insight....on his behavior at hearing " he's a pedo.....I agree, he needs to be looked into deep/something snapped and he became ,,acting like he got caught.....(~¿~} ?
I agree. His police interview was so creepy. He made a comment there that made me think these kids were correct in calling him a pedo.
Amen. May the Jury make the right decision.
They will. Not guilty, self defense. Everyone was lying both to police and on the stand. The video will be all that matters.
@@randyrenner7643 guilty
@@teddyjam8134 of reckless endangerment, not murder. Now we know why the State reduced the charges. It wasn't murder.
Having had a quadruple bypass and feeling vulnerable, he went and stabbed people in the heart!
I’ve been saying it the way he gutted those people he has done this before! Miu is a dangerous man. Throw away the key!
If this
man is let go and 'not guilty' it will unfortunately happen again.
Every single witness for the prosecution lied. Not one single one of the bullies had the same story.
Or admitted to what we could see on camera ....
At least he did.
Mr Miu lied on the stand too! And apparently suffered from amnesia
How many of them stabbed 5 people, killed someone, and then fled and ditched evidence?
@tullmeister only the guy who got mobbed, and attacked. Dang, what a coincidence.
@@tullmeisterwell as my sweet Daddy use to say poke the BULL and you’ll get the horns!! I personally would have definitely fought with everything and anything I could to save my life from a BUNCH OF DRUNK HIGH ON DRUG THUGS !! Where was the Queen of the River Madison at ? She was too much of a coward to testify in court !! She should definitely be charged for assault.. just my opinion
💯 right, "he's fragile…His ego is fragile." If he had of told them he's looking for a phone, they might have not thought he's a weirdo. Poor kids, nick has done this before, not just skilled in lying but knife fighting.
Romanians aren’t known for their honesty lol.
It's the queen of the rivers' fault
Did they ever have the Queen submit to a BAC test. How drunk was she. Did she have a reputation of acting like an aggressive Karen on other occasions when drunk?
You sure it wasn’t the Lady of the Lake?
All he had to do was not hit her. He didn't like a female telling him what to do. It's European masculinity on display. He sees women as 2nd class citizens. He lied
He was provoked
wrong, r e t a r d
You obviously didn't watch all the tapes. He went after them LOOKING for trouble. It's not ambiguous. He had plenty of opportunity to leave them alone but he was getting his jollies off.
NO REASON FOR MURDER
I mean look at this they're saying that he's a terrific skill liar he's a liar that he's this he's dead I mean really is that that's not that's not the traits of a liar by quadruple bypass a few months ago he's barely coming around he couldn't even barely move he would just sticking trying to protect himself from all those drunken bullies and now he's being berated not only that he's been in jail all this time
I pray they convict him and send him to jail for a long time: he repeated constantly that he wanted to stand his ground and he ran up to these young people and stabbed 5 of them killing Isaac. I wouldn’t want to meet him cause he has no remorse of what he did. GUILTY=JAIL
Drunk and High, Drunk AND High. High and Drunk. Who knows if they were on fenty or meth also? These are people who demonstrate terrible decision making and poor self control at every turn. Why do I feel like you've spent years making excuses for kids with substance abuse problems?
you do not have to obey the commands of random Karens on the river.
@@poboxchristmas380 he should obey the law.
@@teddyjam8134 yes and Karen's are not the law.
Exactly Miu chose violence instead of backing up and leaving the scene! I am so chocked to see how these young people suffered with the terrible wounds he caused them both physically and mentally: and he was leaving the scene without even going back to help the people he wounded: the young people had no chance with him HE HAD A WEAPON
Finally, a situation with a young kids, found out the repercussions of bothering an innocent man…sad
@@teeheehee4494Mui literally said himself “kids being kids”… those videos of him talking to the cops and detectives will send him to jail.. innocent people tell the truth.. guilty people act clueless and lie
Agreed !
Deadly coward who only showed emotion when asking about his "baby" his dog.
We live in a culture of death expect to see more cases like this . Condolences to the family sympathy for the victims !😢
So it's ok when the kids lie they are just trying to make sense of it all. But when the defendant lies not on the stand but to some friends he's guilty. And since when does a person having an education make them to cunning and guilty.