Ford Lightning vs Rivian R1T | Which EV Truck Is Right For You?
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- Which EV truck is the best? While not the first EV truck in America, the Rivian and Lightning are the first EV trucks designed for regular truck duty. (Yes, I'm throwing a bit of shade at the insanely fun and cool Hummer EV). Both offer high payload ratings, both offer around 10,000 pounds of towing ability, both seat 5 and both have a frunk. One however is a regular truck with a battery and some motors while the other is an off-road luxury truck and there are pros and cons to both approaches.
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Hi Alex, just a small clarification. The onboard air compressor on the Rivian has it's own standalone compressor. The air suspension has it's own air supply.
Good comparison, the bottom line for me is ford for a work truck and the Rivian for a pleasure truck.
My own money was on the line and I went with the F150, honestly could not be happier. The 80A charger comes with the extended range truck, so only had to pay for install. It is worth it. I have seen some Rivians around and their owners seem to love their choices too. So both great trucks.
I got the Lightning and have loved it. Love the ride, the Frunk is very practical and the ProPower with 240v is a game changer. Because I primarily do local city driving I’m getting over 260 miles in my standard range Lariat trim.
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
Hello sir, congrats on your Ford e-Lightning, just one question ever hear that Ford will plan to sell the e-Lightning in Europe ?
@@zoobrizz I’m completely convinced that people who don’t want an ev truck will never fail to let the world know.
I love my massaging seats. Plenty of glove box space, center console is huge with 2 more USB ports. Heated & cooled front seats, heated rear seats. 9.6 kw power which includes the 240 voltage 30 amp 7200 watt twist lock receptical. 10 - 120 volt - 20 amp recepticals. Enough power to run a home that's daily usage is 30 kwh or less. 9600 watts will run a lot of appliances and 131 kwh battery will power those appliances for a long time.
This is thorough vehicle comparison I've ever seen. Ever. Thanks, Alex.
I describe my R1T as a pickup, sports car and luxury car all in one. After 3 months, it’s awesome and whoever wakes up first wants to take it!
It’s a chick car not a truck.
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
@@jimdandy9118 goes 0 to 60 in 3 ish seconds, but yeah, definitely a chick car. Sarcasm if you couldn't tell. Just say you can't afford it
@@microtransactions2661 It’s a chick car just like any other cute little SUV. Zero to 60 is irrelevant to adults.
@@microtransactions2661 I have 7 pickup trucks so I definitely would have no problem affording one.. I see that cute little battery car and all I can see driving it is pampered wives. They don’t give a shit about 0-60 times on their way to the nail salon.
I have absolutely fallen in love with the rivian. I get mine in a few weeks. I like the company's vision, it fits in my garage, has gear guard, gear tunnel, variable air suspension, motors on each wheel, incredibly comfortable interior, exceptional handling and power, overall luxury feel, and it doesn't look like every other truck on the road. It is an amazing vehicle.
People keep asking why you would buy from a new company when you could buy from Ford. All I have to say is that if this is the quality of their very first vehicle ever, then they have an amazing future ahead of them.
Wow! What a great video comparison! You’ve shared so much important info to help me with my decision between these two! Well done
There’s been a Lightning sitting in front of my Ford dealer for 4 months. I’ll give you 25,000 guesses why.
That’s why direct to consumer sales needs to be more of a thing.
Dealers are eventually going to regret their markups.
damn 4 months
@@pstoneking3418 Eventually yes, but the salesman may have moved on by then. The car market is cyclical and eventually there will be great deals below MSRP. Just don't ask me when this will be as I have no idea.
@@pstoneking3418 $25k today but loses millions later when they go belly up
Good comparison! Thanks!
Awesome breakdown
I brought a R1T and love it! so much fun to drive!
This was a VERY thorough video and we really appreciate it! Don't take this the wrong way, but I would argue this video will be more relevant to EV buyers than it is now. As of right now, each of these vehicles is effectively unobtainium; the only difference is that the F150 is expensive unobtainium, whereas the Rivian is STUPID expensive unobtainium. In a couple of years we'll have a better idea of which company is ready build their model in quantity and at a price people can afford...that is if EITHER company ever achieves this goal. But I love the video!!
It’s a tough choice for sure. I love the rivian but I think I would choose the ford just because I know they gonna be around in 5-10 years
I don't think you will have an issue with the Rivian EV truck getting serviced in 5-10 years, but you might be going to a different company if it gets bought out by a larger company.
Sure 🤡☝️. They are junk. Maybe it well be around. But needs a new battery
I’d actually be more worried for Ford’s future than Rivian’s.
They are always promoting the Rivians on board air compression but never mentions the cfm so I'd image you can't run air tools. With the lightning you can plug a large 240 volt air compressor in and then even run a jack hammer if necessary.
Ford and all manufacturers should MOVE the gear shifter to the collum or dash and save the middle area for drinks.
The Tesla 3 and Y shifters are great.
Really good
One feature that I love on the F150 is aluminum body panels. Old trucks tend to be rusty due to rough use. I am not sure if Rivian uses steel or aluminum
Aluminum
@@jay-ru-me Glad to hear that. Definitely makes the Rivian a favorite!
I have a Lightning (Platinum) and LOVE it. I do not regret my choice in any way.
I would love to see the same type of review between the ESQ 580 and the iX M60. I have both on order, haven't driven either, but keep going back and forth based on the different reviews. They are due in at the same time so I'll probably decide just based on the driving experience.
One thing is for sure both are 5 seaters. The EQS 3rd row s basicly useless andcit eats into the cargo room so you might as well skip that option off. Otherwise they do indeed compete directly with each other. I'm also very interested in a head to head.
It goes down to personal preference. I felt the EQS SUV was more like an EQS crossover (in terms of seat comfort, features, and increased interior height) than a SUV. While the IX is an electric X5. I can go into more detail if you want.
@@alexzz1234 Thanks Alex, yes, that is the conclusion I have come to also. If it was only me, then the BMW would be my preference, but my wife will be the primary driver and the comfort and luxury of the EQS takes a priority over the sporting nature of the BMW.
@@alexzz1234 I agree completely. The EQS SUV is more of a tall station wagon than an SUV. Note that hasn't kept Subaru from boldly saying that they make SUV's... for decades😁
Nice reviews. The lightning wins hands down for me.
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
@@zoobrizzI’m completely convinced no one cares that you don’t want an ev truck. I do think it’s funny though you comment on everyone’s comment. Lol
Alex, very helpful. What about price and fed tax credit. The Ford config would not be eligible? I have both reserved but need tax cred.
If you get delivery in 2022, both qualify. If you get delivery in 2023 then the income testing and price caps go into effect.
How about service availability? Do all Ford dealers handle repairs on the Lightning? There are very few Rivian service centers (22 in the US, with 5 in CA, but none in many states), so if you need to get that tonneau cover repaired, how easy will it be to do so? It sounds like there was a suspension recall that was a very easy fix, but if I have to drive 2 hours or more to get to a service center, it's not so convenient to get something fixed. I'm also concerned about Rivian's long-term viability, but Amazon's contract alone should keep them afloat while they build up their support network.
I like the idea of the Rivian and what they did with it (except for those oval headlights), but my money would be on the Lightning. It's a great truck if you need a truck, especially for truck things that the F-150 has been the leader in for a good long time. There's definitely a draw for a truck like the Rivian, especially for those that have outgrown their Outbacks. The Rivian is a cool product, but it's way too new to gamble my hard-earned money on.
As the Shark Tank investors say all the time, "what are you doing that the other companies can't do and squash you like a cockroach?" Ford has said that they're going to be building a new EV truck in Tennessee, and my guess is that it will be aimed at the same market as the Rivian that they are already (lightly) tapping into with the Maverick. The Bronco brand has off-road credibility, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they came out with a Bronco-branded EV adventure vehicle in truck and SUV forms.
I believe that if Ford thought Rivian was doing something they could not, they would have bought out the entire company and absorbed the R1T into their lineup. It's probably cheaper to compete with their own product offering and push Rivian into the history books. I hope the best for Rivian, but I think it's long-term survival is very questionable. At best, the Rivian is a 3-year lease to minimize its risks.
I've owned both and have sold the Ford as I like the Rivian better.
Have an R1T now and an Lariat coming up soon for delivery. I can only keep one. Can you explain your rationale for keeping the R1T?
Nice video - Thanks
Wow! No glove box and no XM radio. Stuff I would have never known, and a surprise. Where would you put the registration proof of insurance and the owners manual? Surely not in the armrest. Thanks for the review.
Put documents in Rivian center console. I agree... everyone has a glove box. That's really strange.
Docs can go into under seat storage.
@@MadMadOne but how would you grab that while staying in your drivers seat when the cop pulls you over? It’s going to look reeeeallly suspicious to that cop!😅
@@Katieandcabot you say "Officer, my documents are in the seat storage, would you like to get them, or shall I?"
👏👏👏THANKS ALEX👏👏👏
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE ✌️
I contend that the F150 Lightning is better at being a work truck than the Rivian is at being a rock crawling go over anything machine given its break over angle. I trust the Lightning to keep the battery pack cool under duress and to save your back as you load and unload the frunk more than the R1T. Both great trucks but to power my house I choose Ford. 🎯
Well said....
Junk
You like to say no glove box, but why isn't little compartment under the passenger seat not suitable for gloves or random papers that usually go in a glove box
Considering fords more established I’d go w the ford. The whole truck in the inside is more normal and you can at least rely on physical buttons for some things
Junk. Just wait until it breaks down
That being said, do you really need such a bulky mechanical Shifter that folds down for an electric truck? That is bad design.
Bed size. if the Rivian had a bigger bed, maybe 6 foot, I think I’d like it better. But I went with the Lightning so I could fit my surfboards in the bed of the truck and secure them. I’m trying to keep sand etc. out of the cab.
Isn’t the bed depth much different as well? From the Rivians I seen, it seems like the bed is very shallow.
@@ronroman3536 Maybe. I haven’t the Rivian bed up close.
Wow , Rivian battery drain when idle is unbelievable.
Mine is 1% per day with the gear guard on. Same as my Tesla. The ford does not have that feature, so no computerneeds to be running to record video.
This is expected in most EVs. It should be less than 1% per day and it's not very noticeable unless you leave it sitting for a long time which you shouldn't do with an EV.
He was losing 3% per day with his Rivian in the lowest power mode available. Someone broke it down, it's basically losing ~140 watts of power all the time. So basically more power than my potent gaming laptop uses fully maxed out is just going out the window doing nothing. If this were a gasoline truck and it was losing 3% a day from a 30 gallon tank, that would be .9 gallons of gasoline spilled on your driveway every day.
@@LeesChannel It seems like R1T is doing some ultra conservative battery health management causing the drain. Hope Rivian figures this out soon. They pushed a beta update in Jan 2023 which claims to address this and the Thermal management issue Kyle at Out of Spec reviews was having.
The Rivian is a luxury SUV or CUV with the roof removed from the third row and storage. It is not a pickup truck, it is a toy. Don't get into the Rivian with your oil-stained jeans after working on a farm vehicle - that faux suede will never clean. The Lightning is most of the way to the same impracticality, but it has some working truck features. Neither is useful for me. I can't take either to the gravel pit and have them drop a front-end load of gravel in the bed. I can't put 72 sheets of 1/2" by 4' by 8' sheet rock in either of them. I can't put a cord of wood in either of them I have done all of these things with a 1977 Ford F-250. Sure, I got 12mpg whether I was driving loaded or empty. But I did so for 350,000 miles and I doubt these will last as long. When it comes to carbon emissions, it won't be until these reach 60,000 miles that these two vehicles will have produced equal carbon as my old F-250 at that mileage. The carbon released in the production and shipping starts them at 20 tons already sent into the atmosphere. If you add the power generation to charge the Rivian or Lightning they will only be 20% less by the time they hit 100,000 miles. Just getting the materials for their batteries requires mining and processing 250 tons of minerals and rock. I'm sure these are great for dilettantes and faux environmentalists - but not for me.
0:15 is Hummer EV not on sale or luxury truck?
It's hard to tell what's going on with the hummer as they have sold less than 1,000 units total vs 25,000 Rivians and around 12,000 Lightnings (sales started later for lightning).
Neither, I already own an F150 XLT ICE. If I had to choose an electric, I'll wait for the Cybertruck and check out the Silverado and the RAM revolution. But if Cybertruck lives up to hype, it's cyber all the way. I've owned Fords, Chryslers and Chevys/GMCs.
Alex, When are we going to get a practical electric work truck with a genuine 8 foot bed?🤔 Even with that temptingly smooth-riding independent rear suspension, I still contend that child seats 4:44 are supposed to be mounted upright and inside the cab rather than on their sides in the truck bed 😂
Regular cab + 8 foot bed? Probably never. LOL
@@EVBuyersGuide 🤨
Engine start stop button ??? 🙂 LOL
Fair. -Travis
Where is the video of you selling both of these?
All of his reviews are the holy grail of auto shopping but can only watch part of the prolific output. Really curious why neither truck made the “keeper” list.
Coming soon!
I will take the Rivian all day every day. That being said, I want the SUV.
What I would like to know and nobody is addressing this with EVs is can you flat tow them? Are they a good TOAD?
I just was looking this up after your comment and so far it states only the Rivian can be flat towed behind an RV. (Not sure if some channels have tested this is not, but that’s what Rivian claims). All other EV’s need to be towed on a flat bed only.
@@watchreport Ah thanks! Might not be enough demand but you would think it would be easy to do. After Rivian delaying Alex and letting others cut the line for purchase and the vampire draw is an alarming problem for an EV so they have been removed from consideration at this point. Too bad as they used to be near the top of my list.
And maybe while the Rivian is a toad, it can regen some power into the battery to help with the vampire drain.
@@GaryBoyd02 well, they are still a very new company. Hopefully in the next 5-10 years they will prove themselves (and have less drama and issues than Tesla).
@@watchreport I hope so too but when you allow line cutting that says volumes about management integrity. And if you don't have integrity you have nothing. Fortunately there are other options that mean a person doesn't have to take that risk.
Alex, Hi. Did you note that the Lighting has nema 5-20 plugs. 120 volt and 20 amp breakers so they can run any 120 volt tool as where the Rivian oy has nema 5-15 plugs, 120 volt and 15 amps. Rivian really should have made the plugs 20 amps and should have a nema 14-50, 220 volt 50 amp plug for boondocking.
The Lighting can be plugged in charging while using the 120 and 240 volts plugs.
He did mention that but in watts instead of amps.
Always feel people driving pick ups are compensating like me lol
Or. They work for a living 🤡☝️
I'd venture to say that the lightning will get better range in the city because of fords one pedal driving regenerative braking.
I disagree. The Rivian has stronger regen braking based on every other review of the 2 vehicles that is out there.
The Rivian has stronger throttle lift-off regen, but the Lightning has higher total regen ability thanks to the blended braking system.
My reservation for the Lighting open up but the pro version is now 10K more than it previous come out and you can't even get it. It is no longer affordable.
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
The Rivian is a great truck if you dont need a truck. A 4.5 foot bed is an open trunk.
The front end of the Rivian looks like a street cleaner, the rest looks really good.
I can't understand why Rivian doesn't use regenerative braking when braking. I love the lightnings one pedal driving. Regenerative braking is so good with that. I never touch the brake pedal any more except for moving the shifter.
My Rivian has far more aggressive regenerative braking than our Tesla model Y. If you mean it stops using regenerative braking when you use the brake pedal, then I say that I do not feel like it does. The braking is stellar. Look at the edmunds review, they are better than some sports cars at stopping distance.
Sir, you have a LOT to say in these comments for not having a clue about the vehicles. Rivian does have regenerative braking too, the two trucks get very similar efficiency numbers both on the highway at sustained speeds and also around town.
The price comparison is not accurate. For the specs you mentioned (835 hp) the minimum you’d need to spend if you were to buy a Rivian R1T TODAY would be $87,000
I would go with Ford.....all the way.
Rivian
That vampire drain is unacceptable. Using ~30kw of capacity in 2 weeks doing nothing? Someone needs to do the math and see if that 30% efficiency gets cancelled out because of this. That drain probably happens whether you use it or not so you have to put it back in the battery pack somehow.
Went to pick up my platinum lightning last night these seats are no longer built. Which is a load of crap since the platnium upgrade was 10k+ all ford did was give a $300 credit. Terrible from a customer retention and satisfaction perspective.
The problem is when these trucks start to age, who is going to do the repairs? At least with ford you have the whole dealer network at your disposal, and with rivian.. well, as a brand new start up and no dealer support, plus with already having that massive recall… I’d put my $$ on the ford. I’m curious to see which one Alex is planning on keeping!
Silverado EV with +400 miles of range!
Sure🤡👍
@@zoobrizz and GMC Sierra EV!
Will believe it when we see it! :)
@@devaannamalai the one good thing about using the sane battery chemistry is the consistency between models.
It blows my mind to think that someone would spend $80,000 to buy a gadget loaded truck from a company that has never built a truck before when they could spend a similar amount to buy a truck, perhaps not as gadget filled, from a company that has built millions of trucks and has the know how that is only gained from experience. Where is the dealer you can take your Rivian to when you have problems and you certainly will have them? I can take my F-150 to my local dealer who has a thoroughly equipped service department with highly trained service specialists.
Funny how that "under 40K" Lightning Pro now stickers out at $55K (with no options added), plus requires another $10-15K dealer extortion fee to actually drive it home. I'll keep driving my ICE F150 Lariat until Toyota starts selling a hybrid Tacoma in a year or so, buy it for $20-25K less, then own it for far less than these overpriced PEV trucks.
The Rivian truck bed is all plastic . It definitely is not the hard working truck bed . I feel like if your going to use your truck as a truck , I put all kinds of stuff in my truck. And feel like a plastic bed is not going to do it . At least in Texas will turn white and crack
Also serious money for plastic
Tacoma’s bed seems to hold up just fine though.
Metal beds need plastic liners. Especially Ford aluminum beds.
Doesn’t Ford own a big chunk of Rivian? Maybe less of a rivalry and more of a collaborative plan
As of May this year they only have a 9.7 stake in Rivian after selling a lot of shares the past two years.
Both are junk
Already know without watching the video. If you want an off road vehicle than the Rivian. If you want a full size pickup for local use with a front trunk that's way to get things in and out. Familiar and like an F150 then the lightning is for you.
If you want a Chick truck 🤡👍
When my money was on the line. I bought a 2022 Powerboost Platinum .. Trucks luxury trucks are worthless as EVs. Sub $50k EV Truck makes sense for work. Anywhere north of that, they're not worth it. Get a Decent Sports car/compact EV if you're spending North of $75k
Am I the only one who cares about the actual ability to use these as 4x4s? I wouldn't buy an F150 Lightning to see how well it could rock crawl but doing it on a Rivian is new and exciting. Frankly the Range Rover is too expensive and the Grand Cherokee is a bit underwhelming when you have the 4-Door Wrangler sitting right there in show room. You don't see too many 2022 Grand Cherokees out in hard spots for a reason. Punctuating the review comparing it as the "truck" version of these I think misses the point.
I feel like in spirit it's better to compare the R1T to a Gladiator Rubicon than it is a truck version of the Grand Cherokee and Ranger Rover. If you were an alien without human emotion you'd find the latter logical but the human emotion side of me just sees it as a very poor cross-shopping reference.
The R1T is a more compelling off-roader on many levels than the Hummer EV which set out with the specific goal of being the most "ultimate off-road machine ever" and is being sold starting at $70k for the next few years instead of $115k+ that the Hummer goes for.
The F150 is the better work truck, hands down. If that's what you need in your life in a light duty truck, that's what you should get. For almost any other application, including very picky off-roaders, the R1T is an absolute steal @ $70k for the quad-motor and will probably be equally as so when it's $70k for the dual motor. The things the Ford does better is not worth the $90k you're going to have to pay to get that trim. Not over the advantages the Rivian offers.
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
They both have problems. If I were to pick ford would be my choice
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
Cybertruck all the way. Maybe by the time it comes out, not only will it flot... maybe it will fly!!! Haha 😄. Tesla owner since 2018 model 3 and 2022 model Y.
Don't forget the rivian has a steering wheel part recall.... ✌️
That's small recall that was easily fixed under 2 min come on 😆
I have a preorder on both and plan to keep the rivian. Only lariat available and for 80k the rivian is the best all around pick IMO. If I could get a pro, I would stick with that, but not in the cards.
Girls EV pretend truck. I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
@@zoobrizz good for you, bro.
@@zoobrizz Would you stop spamming everyone who is interested in the vehicles in this video with the same copypasta? For someone who is allegedly not interested in EVs you sure spend a lot of time here on an EV dedicated channel commenting on EVs.
@@LeesChannel seems waldo is angry about something. Probably has way too much time on his hands too. Seems like a "real truck" guy would have better things to do.
The fords just boring af
I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮
Let me make it simple, the Rivian is worthless as a truck because it’s too small.