Daniel Dennett is primarily a Professor of Philosophy, rather than a working scientist. He covered much more than Darwin in his writings but is not comparable to Darwin as a scientific innovator (ok it was a joke, but just to make things clear)
I'm a psychologist, and the philosophical, lofty part about "meaning of life' and "meaning of death" and "why life is worth it, it is a privilege", etc, is fantastic. Secular humanists and those of us who work with the public in a secular way (as we are not pastors and also would be unethical to have people swallow our religion) need such philosophical arguments for the consolation of our clients regardless on their theological views. Excellent!
Today I heard the news of his passing and immediately thought of this video, which I probably watched a decade ago, especially this bit at 29:40. He was incredibly smart and his delivery so calm and welcoming.
OK I've known the name Daniel Dennett for a while but I've never listened/read anything explicitly by him until now (and I'm ashamed I haven't). It's been hard to imagine a serious discussion involving Richard Dawkins were he's on equal intellectual ground, but this man is insanely captivating. What an eloquent person.
You should read Darwin's Dangerous Idea, it litteraly changes my view on how we think, on life, and the universe. And I have been an atheist all my life, it's just that after reading the book you start to see the work of evolution in ... well everything actually.
Stephan Claes That book is seriously fantastic. I started reading it during my first biology class that really got in-depth on evolution, and I found it extremely useful...and profound.
Question? Why defend Darwin who has been proven mostly wrong by by modern science? New evolution science is much stronger than Darwin s theory...which is so easy to attack by christians...because it is so flawed.... Evolution...natural selection...is now science law...a new version...not Darwin s theory...why does Darwin never mention the new science? Science law...is undeniable....it has never been proven wrong in history.... It seems to me that Dawkins does not care....about science or even about atheism...he has a different agenda....
Who ever said Darwin was mostly wrong ? He was incomplete ... and he knew that. He couldn't have known about genetics back then. If we would follow your reasoning Newton was mostly wrong too ... yet we still use him every day for 'normal' speeds and 'normal' gravity. The big new idea of Darwin was that things evolved and weren't created, how and why wasn't really clear to him ... he had some good, yet incomplete idea's. That evolution idea was a real revolution, that is why he should be 'defended'. And I wouldn't know how and why Dawkins his agenda would be bad for atheisme ... or even what it would be.
Stephan Claes You are making my point while trying to contradict it... Newton s theory was not proven wrong by modern science...at all...in fact...it was confirmed by Einstein...who said...Newton s theory was...at it s essence...accurate.. ...with the theory of relativity...it became law... Darwin s theory...first of all...the idea of evolution...was not his...as he said himself...dated back to works in 1813 and 1831...what was his was his research as a geologist..etc. on the origin of the species... 1859...which tries to explain how evolution works.... ...based on 3 pillars...1. Competition...2. survival of the fittest 3. natural selection... it was not incomplete....it was mostly wrong... who says? Almost every modern evolution biologist...the textbooks were changed... ...new evolution theories emerged...Darwin was wrong...there was hardly any competition..it was avoided...there was no survival of the fittest for the most part.. natural selection is real...but it does not work as Darwin said...that is why a new version is now law...since the 1980 s... the question is why Dawkins lies...never mentions the new science...Dennet also..but Dawkins...who is seen as the face of atheism...is hurting the atheism cause...by defending Darwin...whose theory is very easy for christians to attack because...it is so flawed... The new law is undeniable...nothing to debate...I can show it to anyone in my lab...no law has ever been proven wrong in history... Dawkins does not care about science or atheism...he wants fiction book sales and huge fees from staged..charade debates...
what an incredible thoughtful video off these two just hanging out and having an insightful conversation! Wow! How cool would it be to have people like this governing societies? !
Wonderful conversation full of thought-provoking concepts and a genuine personable connection. It’s funny seeing scientists have to deal with media producers! 😂 Thank you for this!
These men has changed my life in so many good ways with their spreading of real knowledge (scientific and based on data) than many many self help books I read.
Listening to Dennett, I realize how much I love life and how I feel at one with nature. The gratitude he references is such a critical part of coping with the facts of life (length, death) I'm happy there are people like this around to remind me of this. People drift through life aggravated by the most petty and insignificant things while never acknowledging that they are alive and to be alive is both rare and profoundly splendid. Cheers to life.
Life is extremely pleasant on the whole for some, extremely painful on the whole for others, and somewhere in between for everyone else. If there is no free will, as many great thinkers believe, life is extremely unfair. At best, life is still very unfair because of how powerful some influences on our behavior and happiness are such as socioeconomic status at birth, parents, genes, culture, country of birth, etc. So I would disagree that life is "profoundly splendid." For many, life is a curse - and, at times, I think I am among this "many." Think of women in the middle east treated like slaves and property by their husbands, going through immense torture on a daily basis that they feel powerless to stop. This is just one example of people who got extremely unlucky with when and where they were born. Also, to be alive isn't rare. There are eight billion of us. If you want to only count individuals in first world countries, then there are roughly eight hundred million of us. To be alive isn't rare and it doesn't universally feel good. You can tell I'm pretty upset if I'm venting on an 11 year old comment.... I am pretty upset.
Dennet and Dawkins here really hit the spot. I believe they will be the philosophers the next generation will compulsorily study at school together with Socrates and Plato. The problem with today's society though, is that there's still too much social inequality and lack of an efficient system for spreading culture and scientific knowledge in order to allow for the masses to leave their cults ans religions. How do you explain to a poor industry worker who has to struggle to provide for his family, even though he works 10 hours a day 6/7 being exploited, who couldn't afford an education even if he wanted to get one, who was very likely raised in strongly religious environment, who has to experience each day first hand the ugliness and injustice still too widespread in most of modern societies and living spaces that he should be nothing but grateful for that and that his source of consolation can merely come from barely being alive? I'd say that 90% of the people in that situation would be stuck in an inextricable cultural rut simply because they would be lacking of the very thinking tools to get out of there. The problem is that, very frequently, you are phisically and deterministically able to think and talk somewhat like the gents in the video only if you were lucky enough to be born in an equal and just society promoting laic values and offering a free, truly modern, education. The alternative would be being in the conditions to afford the costs in terms both of money and energy to be able to cultivate yourself in case you live in one of the still too numerous countries where you have to pay for your education and religion is still rooted in society (these last two conditions, not by chance, usually appearing together). Dawkins and Dennet, in my opinion, are following the right route to achieve a better future for mankind but the boat they're rowing on needs as many rowers as it can have in order to get to its destination. Too many people are kept from even getting their paddles by correctable sociocultural flaws.
you reform government, ultimately they are the next step down from religion, it's high time we had a house of scientists instead of a house of lords. it's time women got on the ball as well, i'm amazed that the womens rights movement isn't demanding bible's be burnt for the way women are portrayed, in all religions,.
I loved Dr. Daniel Dennett, very sad to hear about his passing, I've would have loved to meet him, he was my absolute favorite, an intellectual giant, a legend, true sage, heard he was also very kind gentle person, huge loss to civilization, I will watch tons of his lectures in the next few days in his memory 23:31
@@VitalyGG evolution has been proven under the microscope, it has been proven in fossils but most convincing of all it has been proven in plain sight. Check the Mediterranean lizards or the Bajau people
@@williamwallace897 Evolution is proven just in your believes, not in real life. microscope? google couple of thinks- philogenetic conflicts, philogenetic bush.
What a lovely and deeply inspiring dialogue between two great thinkers (despite the annoyingly unhelpful interruption by the "director" - who quite ruined a spontaneous and beautiful exchange between Dennett and Dawkins).
Made me tear up when they spoke of having "no one to thank".. in a sense they're wrong, we can always be thankful for those individuals and/it circumstances that allowed us the right to exist, and the community which fostered our growth until we were old enough to fend for ourselves.. but even more broadly, yes.. we must thank the billion year old process that fostered us as a social species whereby we could use language and exalt the Universe in Awe.. All in all, we still need a philosophical system by which such gratitude can be ritualized and fostered outside of religion.. this will be our final relic.. our final Pyramids or Stonehenge..
Imagine having Dan Dennett for a neighbor? Although, I'd probably drive him nuts - maybe Sam Harris would be better (no, on second thought, I'd probably drive him even MORE nuts).
At around the 40:00 ish mark, the director seems a little too worried about conveying a message (or teasing out?) that I personally find already rather obvious (and I suspect that Richard did too). Consolation for bereavement can come from the many reasons Richard suggested and especially _because_ we are aware of our own mortality. You can't be both "joyous" and/or reverent and not have an inkling of the nonpermenence of self or others. It comes with the territory. A package deal, so to say. On a sidenote...This speaks _VOLUMES_ about the billions that still bereave in spite of believing they are eternal conscious souls. I sincerely believe that deep down, most of them know it's all malarkey.
If you ever find yourself describing hundreds of millions, or even billions, of people as all being disingenuous, simply because they hold views that you think are indefensible, you should realize that you've strayed into "arrogant, hubris-filled prick" territory. I mean this without anger, but only sympathy for you. Anyone can point out the flaws in other people's logic. Fucking kids can do it, and everyone knows that kids are objectively awful. Try breaking new ground and attack your OWN cherished assumptions, biases, and beliefs in a public forum. At the absolute least, stick with the interesting sort of thoughts you had in the 1st paragraph. Your personal judgment of religion wasn't necessary to communicate the important part: Knowledge of death is required to fear or celebrate it. That has certain implications for ideas like original sin or "the curse" of mortality, but you make it hard for a religious person to discuss those things with you because you make it clear that your intentions are less than benign or respectful. And not all religious people are argumentative, close-minded gasbags.
"but you make it hard for a religious person to discuss those things with you" So you decided to dance around my point instead of actually addressing it? "And not all religious people are argumentative, close-minded gasbags." I never even remotely implied that they were. Are you in the habit of inventing demons whole cloth? "Anyone can point out the flaws in other people's logic." Except those unfamiliar with critical thought and reasoned logic. This pretty much removes kids from the roster, don't you think?
this is (roughly) what i had in mind to explain the director's antsiness: dawkins: "quit your bitching; you're alive, dammit!" *camera makes mysterious sound* dawkins: "of course, i wouldn't say that to somebody who'd just lost a loved one..." director: "ah, could we just make sure we got that last part?" (by the way, is "cogita" the imperative form? if so, badass. if not, correct me!)
oh yeah, +1 on your sidenote, btw. dennett, as you are no doubt aware, describes this with his usual aplomb in a lecture right here on the tubes about "believing" in god. sam harris applies the same principle in reverse, if you will, when he urges us to take the suicide bombers' professions of belief seriously *based on their actions*.
This very video is my consolation. I think one of the most appealing aspects of non-belief, is that, when you talk about science, it's a conversation. We exchange ideas and interpret concepts and its wonderful. With theism you don't get these conversations, in fact, questions aren't usually welcome. You usually get one orator and an audience. In life, atheism, for me, is a conversation. Whereas, religion has always seemed like group orientation. Thank you Dawkins and Dennett
I have to say (and am prepared to accept hate for it) that I partially disagree with Mr. Dawkins on the subject of being bored. It's easier to enjoy life when you have some degree of social, financial or educational privilege. Those people living in poverty with terminal ennui are not going to be thankful for or amazed at their own existence at any given moment of a day, whether they're responsible for their situation or not.
@@madeincda Very probably but it's the reality or a lot of peoples lives. It doesn't matter how enlightened you are, without money it's harder to enjoy life, generally speaking.
@@davidfos84 I actually agree with your comment, in general. Allow me to clarify, paraphrasing an age old adage. There's no such thing as a perfect world. If one were to exist how could you possibly appreciate its perfection without any wrong to compare it to? My point is, there exists people in the world who are completely content in their minimalist lifestyle, with or without the knowledge of the maxim "more is better". I believe, those are the people who live a fuller experience of life, without the distraction of realistically useless things. Lest we forget, life existed well before modern technology and reality television. However, with the advances of modern medicine I can appreciate the sentiment and the longevity of life itself. I could go on with many more comparitive examples but I imagine my point is clear.
"they had a chance" that's pretty humble feels right, we all have so many chances to do something great in life there should be no regrets upon death, we had our whole life to build our legacy
My promise to myself has always been to not leave negative-sounding messages to others on You Tube. I simply think that criticizing ignorant people gets you nowhere. On the other hand, I would like to put in a kind word for Dawkins and Dennett. In my opinion, Dawkins is the greatest teacher of biology in the world. Dennett is my favorite philosopher, and I am still catching up on everything he writes. His writings are thoroughly delightful and insightful. Darwin was the greatest of all times!
I am not sure why Dennett calls it "Darwins Idea". Would we say that gravity is an idea? Would we call any natural phenomena an idea? I get Dennett's point, but is there a better way to phase it?
Wow, Dr. Dawkins is amazing xD He'll surely go down in history for all his work. I admire him so much! :) ...and he has nice, shiny hair. I just noticed that, probably because Dennett is bald. xD It's so nice to see such a great interest in scientific thought here on TH-cam. :)
Come on, RD does not have the resources of a TV network ! He has his organisation, with a few people, but I think he is doing an amazing job in bringing reason to the world. He has put up the UNCUT video for us all for free. It is a wonderful insight into how much work goes into the making of a program. Imagine what he could do with the resources given to Big Brother or some such similar McTV.
that's because its the uncut interviews... this is how you record a discussion using just one camera. you record the sound separately and then you cut the film together so you don't get the transition from person to person. the upside to uncut interviews is you get the whole conversation and not just the main points in an edited DVD. I like it, it's almost as if you're there, just eavesdropping on an interesting conversation :)
As nasty as the world is, the grandiose nature of existence and the complexity of life are so vast and wonderful that it really is quite a pleasure to be alive, and whether or not there was a first cause is really quite irrelevent in the context of the incredible nature of the universe.
+bp56789 Are you being ironic? How else would you film it? You realise this is just the unedited version of the interview? If you dont have 2 cameras you have to move back and forth.
Yeeesssssss!!!! What a wonderful exposition by Dennett and Dawkins! I love them! After all, the word "soul" means "anima" (alma in Spanish) which means "breath" in Latin and, therefore, the name of all non human and human species as "animals": animated beings who walk, run, feel, eat, sleep and, in the special case of Homo sapiens, thinks (of course, not all of them...lol!). So what Dawkins and Dennett hold is that the "soul" is the product of brain activity...just wonderful the way these marvelous scientists/philosopher (in the case of Dennett) unveil aspects which to so many people remain a mystery.
fantastic conversation! it's so refreshing to see richard dawkins intellectually converse with someone on his own wavelength rather than be stuck dealing with the usual asinine drivel like stalin's atheism, or where do atheists get their morals or disproving the bible. THIS is a REAL conversation we can all learn from!
"I'm 19, and after watching this video, death is really starting to scare me." I'm 19 myself and after watching this video, I actually don't fear death. All I fear about death is temporary pain...
Utterly splendid listening to two of my hero’s, it’s should really have been a podcast because the filming is WOEFUL, so shut your eyes and enjoy it without the moronic visual distraction. Yes, I know it’s “unedited” , but editing wouldn’t have made any difference.
Bjarne Søegaard Bjarne my friend, I cannot agree more with you this time. And I would go so far as to say that science and religion are both one and the same, even if they bear different names. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Genesis 1:1)
I stand corrected. I knew I could count on you to avoid making the same mistake. Maybe I should have called up a Protestant friend to proofread me before sending you my reply.
Listening to this discourse, and contemplating the fact that _all of us_ - has the inherent ability to participate in (or, rather - on) the excact same trains of thought, boggles the mind. To quote Daniel; _‘Thank goodness!’_ . . . . . .
This casual conversation between two persons of different- but complimentary - disciplines is nothing less than a confluence of intellectual forces (theirs and those that they draw upon) that, more than any video I have ever seen or any book I have ever read, has the power to change lives - and, for those lives which are not in need of change, to deepen and broaden their understanding of their singular and unique existence...and of Existence in general.
With all these series of interviews, with all their marvelous thoughts and ideas... I enjoy scanning over the offices and homes of these people. It is wonderful that Daniel Dennet uses a turntable, along with the old classic album cleaner on top. A cassette player can be seen. He also has a decent collection of CDs. Evolution builds upon existing things, and even the process of stereo systems and musical appreciation was never smooth, but the common ancestry is unmistakable.
The point Dennet makes at 8:18 is so difficult for so many people to grasp. The fact that we are a product of nature and evolutionary processes, which means that anything that we produce is just as natural as ourselves. I have argued with people about this until Im blue in the face and they still dont get it.
Just two great quotes from this conversation: "Religion was a nurse crop to science". Dennett and Dawkins have sung true "Hymns to the Universe": What a great video.
Must be a treat for Richard Dawkins to be speaking to one of his heroes, Charles Darwin
I'm also shocked that he is still alive!
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@@ordinarryalien oddly enough they’re the same age
Said on every video of Richard and Dan 😂
Daniel Dennett is primarily a Professor of Philosophy, rather than a working scientist. He covered much more than Darwin in his writings but is not comparable to Darwin as a scientific innovator (ok it was a joke, but just to make things clear)
@@TimLondonGuitarist you are confused. That's Charles in the flesh.
Am I the only one who feels satisfied that Daniel Dennett looks like Charles Darwin?
RIP. Dan. Your teachings will live on.
He is suffering in hell now for eternity. 🔥
I feel so privileged I could listen to this!
I love how raw this video was. Learning the genuine thoughts exchanged by these two brings so much happiness 💐
This was an outstanding interview.
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@@MixtapeKilla2004 This aged like fine wine LMFAOOOOO
"you've no business to be bored" the greatest quote ever
I can see that Dawkins really admires Dennet.
I'm a psychologist, and the philosophical, lofty part about "meaning of life' and "meaning of death" and "why life is worth it, it is a privilege", etc, is fantastic. Secular humanists and those of us who work with the public in a secular way (as we are not pastors and also would be unethical to have people swallow our religion) need such philosophical arguments for the consolation of our clients regardless on their theological views. Excellent!
I love that the raw footage was uploaded. So many insightful and incredible ideas. I love listening to you two speak.
Today I heard the news of his passing and immediately thought of this video, which I probably watched a decade ago, especially this bit at 29:40. He was incredibly smart and his delivery so calm and welcoming.
OK I've known the name Daniel Dennett for a while but I've never listened/read anything explicitly by him until now (and I'm ashamed I haven't). It's been hard to imagine a serious discussion involving Richard Dawkins were he's on equal intellectual ground, but this man is insanely captivating. What an eloquent person.
You should read Darwin's Dangerous Idea, it litteraly changes my view on how we think, on life, and the universe. And I have been an atheist all my life, it's just that after reading the book you start to see the work of evolution in ... well everything actually.
Stephan Claes That book is seriously fantastic. I started reading it during my first biology class that really got in-depth on evolution, and I found it extremely useful...and profound.
Question? Why defend Darwin who has been proven mostly wrong by by modern science?
New evolution science is much stronger than Darwin s theory...which is so easy to attack by christians...because it is so flawed....
Evolution...natural selection...is now science law...a new version...not Darwin s theory...why does Darwin never mention the new science?
Science law...is undeniable....it has never been proven wrong in history....
It seems to me that Dawkins does not care....about science or even about atheism...he has a different agenda....
Who ever said Darwin was mostly wrong ? He was incomplete ... and he knew that. He couldn't have known about genetics back then. If we would follow your reasoning Newton was mostly wrong too ... yet we still use him every day for 'normal' speeds and 'normal' gravity. The big new idea of Darwin was that things evolved and weren't created, how and why wasn't really clear to him ... he had some good, yet incomplete idea's. That evolution idea was a real revolution, that is why he should be 'defended'. And I wouldn't know how and why Dawkins his agenda would be bad for atheisme ... or even what it would be.
Stephan Claes You are making my point while trying to contradict it...
Newton s theory was not proven wrong by modern science...at all...in fact...it was confirmed by Einstein...who said...Newton s theory was...at it s essence...accurate..
...with the theory of relativity...it became law...
Darwin s theory...first of all...the idea of evolution...was not his...as he said himself...dated back to works in 1813 and 1831...what was his was his research as a geologist..etc. on the origin of the species...
1859...which tries to explain how evolution works....
...based on 3 pillars...1. Competition...2. survival of the fittest 3. natural selection...
it was not incomplete....it was mostly wrong...
who says? Almost every modern evolution biologist...the textbooks were changed...
...new evolution theories emerged...Darwin was wrong...there was hardly any competition..it was avoided...there was no survival of the fittest for the most part..
natural selection is real...but it does not work as Darwin said...that is why a new version is now law...since the 1980 s...
the question is why Dawkins lies...never mentions the new science...Dennet also..but Dawkins...who is seen as the face of atheism...is hurting the atheism cause...by defending Darwin...whose theory is very easy for christians to attack because...it is so flawed...
The new law is undeniable...nothing to debate...I can show it to anyone in my lab...no law has ever been proven wrong in history...
Dawkins does not care about science or atheism...he wants fiction book sales and huge fees from staged..charade debates...
what an incredible thoughtful video off these two just hanging out and having an insightful conversation! Wow!
How cool would it be to have people like this governing societies? !
Wonderful conversation full of thought-provoking concepts and a genuine personable connection. It’s funny seeing scientists have to deal with media producers! 😂 Thank you for this!
"Our grief is a measurement of how wonderful they were." Absolutely beautiful. Thank you both so very much.
@@messianic_scamThose we have loved and lost to death. Including beloved pets here.
Thank you gentlemen...for this conversation...and for the work of both of your lives.
These men has changed my life in so many good ways with their spreading of real knowledge (scientific and based on data) than many many self help books I read.
Even Santa doesn't believe in a god.
Actually laughed out loud. 10/10
bp56789 😂
Listening to Dennett, I realize how much I love life and how I feel at one with nature. The gratitude he references is such a critical part of coping with the facts of life (length, death) I'm happy there are people like this around to remind me of this. People drift through life aggravated by the most petty and insignificant things while never acknowledging that they are alive and to be alive is both rare and profoundly splendid. Cheers to life.
Life is extremely pleasant on the whole for some, extremely painful on the whole for others, and somewhere in between for everyone else. If there is no free will, as many great thinkers believe, life is extremely unfair. At best, life is still very unfair because of how powerful some influences on our behavior and happiness are such as socioeconomic status at birth, parents, genes, culture, country of birth, etc.
So I would disagree that life is "profoundly splendid." For many, life is a curse - and, at times, I think I am among this "many." Think of women in the middle east treated like slaves and property by their husbands, going through immense torture on a daily basis that they feel powerless to stop. This is just one example of people who got extremely unlucky with when and where they were born.
Also, to be alive isn't rare. There are eight billion of us. If you want to only count individuals in first world countries, then there are roughly eight hundred million of us. To be alive isn't rare and it doesn't universally feel good. You can tell I'm pretty upset if I'm venting on an 11 year old comment.... I am pretty upset.
Dennet and Dawkins here really hit the spot. I believe they will be the philosophers the next generation will compulsorily study at school together with Socrates and Plato.
The problem with today's society though, is that there's still too much social inequality and lack of an efficient system for spreading culture and scientific knowledge in order to allow for the masses to leave their cults ans religions.
How do you explain to a poor industry worker who has to struggle to provide for his family, even though he works 10 hours a day 6/7 being exploited, who couldn't afford an education even if he wanted to get one, who was very likely raised in strongly religious environment, who has to experience each day first hand the ugliness and injustice still too widespread in most of modern societies and living spaces that he should be nothing but grateful for that and that his source of consolation can merely come from barely being alive? I'd say that 90% of the people in that situation would be stuck in an inextricable cultural rut simply because they would be lacking of the very thinking tools to get out of there.
The problem is that, very frequently, you are phisically and deterministically able to think and talk somewhat like the gents in the video only if you were lucky enough to be born in an equal and just society promoting laic values and offering a free, truly modern, education. The alternative would be being in the conditions to afford the costs in terms both of money and energy to be able to cultivate yourself in case you live in one of the still too numerous countries where you have to pay for your education and religion is still rooted in society (these last two conditions, not by chance, usually appearing together).
Dawkins and Dennet, in my opinion, are following the right route to achieve a better future for mankind but the boat they're rowing on needs as many rowers as it can have in order to get to its destination.
Too many people are kept from even getting their paddles by correctable sociocultural flaws.
Brilliant assessment
LS. Very late to the party I know, but I had to compliment you on your post. Fabulous assessment.
you reform government, ultimately they are the next step down from religion, it's high time we had a house of scientists instead of a house of lords. it's time women got on the ball as well, i'm amazed that the womens rights movement isn't demanding bible's be burnt for the way women are portrayed, in all religions,.
Dawkins is a philosophaster and Dennett a handwaver.
Neither is without merit, but come on now.
@@nupraptorthementalist3306
I think you mean *Philosopher*
And your also incorrect Dawkins is an evolutionary scientist and Dennett is the philosopher
Such a wonderful interview! Great interviewee and excellent interviewer! Thank you so very much for sharing! You nailed it!
fantastic interview!!!
Thanks Richard, thanks Daniel.
Two of the great minds of our time. Thank you both for the enlightenment. . .
I loved Dr. Daniel Dennett, very sad to hear about his passing, I've would have loved to meet him, he was my absolute favorite, an intellectual giant, a legend, true sage, heard he was also very kind gentle person, huge loss to civilization, I will watch tons of his lectures in the next few days in his memory 23:31
I'll bet his books make good door stops.
I find it wonderful and liberating that there is no god of any kind. Evolution draws a decisive and final line under this idea.
Evolution is stupid scientific fantasy. You never in your life will see with your f.. eyes any of kind of evolution. Its a fact.
@@VitalyGG you are right, evolution is indeed a fact
SongoLT this is a disturbing comment.
@@VitalyGG evolution has been proven under the microscope, it has been proven in fossils but most convincing of all it has been proven in plain sight. Check the Mediterranean lizards or the Bajau people
@@williamwallace897 Evolution is proven just in your believes, not in real life. microscope? google couple of thinks- philogenetic conflicts, philogenetic bush.
Thanks for the encouragement, brother!
I always enjoy both of these men's insightful lectures and books.
Two great men/minds
Who the hell filmed this? Ray Comfort? (Bananman)
Hahaha or Sye Ten Brruggencate 🤣
Would have been better if they weren’t interrupted by that guy trying to justify why he gets paid
the cameraman caused me a lot of dizziness
He had Parkinsons, maybe?
So does religion....
All these microphones and no tripod lol
I've just discovered Daniel Dennett too, after having left Boston (where I could have tracked him down, perhaps!). What an amazing thinker.
Dawkins and Darwin both are great.
Love to hear them.
You’ve heard Darwin’s voice?
@@Jerrybk6 🤣
love the interview but find the the camera movement from side to side annoying and distracting.
What a lovely and deeply inspiring dialogue between two great thinkers (despite the annoyingly unhelpful interruption by the "director" - who quite ruined a spontaneous and beautiful exchange between Dennett and Dawkins).
Good stuff. Thanks, Dan and Richard.
two of the best, bravest minds around. massive respect and admiration for them
They worship Darwin too much .
Such a beautiful interview. Thank you.
Awesome video. Good stuff
Wow, what an ending.. passages from Unweaving the Rainbow and Dennett's summation are truly spectacular.
43:46 That pause though... :)
"Oh my goodnees what do I say!" face
Made me tear up when they spoke of having "no one to thank".. in a sense they're wrong, we can always be thankful for those individuals and/it circumstances that allowed us the right to exist, and the community which fostered our growth until we were old enough to fend for ourselves.. but even more broadly, yes.. we must thank the billion year old process that fostered us as a social species whereby we could use language and exalt the Universe in Awe..
All in all, we still need a philosophical system by which such gratitude can be ritualized and fostered outside of religion.. this will be our final relic.. our final Pyramids or Stonehenge..
I’ll never get bored of watching your interviews! You are a fantastic human being Richard Dawkins!
Heartwarming, eyeopening and browsoothing interview, goes into my favs!
"oh for technical reasons? oh, so you were hiding behind that" good stuff
I like how this wasn't uncut. Bravo!
Imagine having Dan Dennett for a neighbor? Although, I'd probably drive him nuts - maybe Sam Harris would be better (no, on second thought, I'd probably drive him even MORE nuts).
I don't like gun toting neighbours, I'll take Dan over Sam any day. He gets free will more correct than Sam too... :)
sam harris would be busy podcasting doing jui jitsu and meditating.
he'd never do his gardening though, cos:evolution of plant life :)
Continuously seek for discussions with Dawkins. Discovered Dennett today.
At around the 40:00 ish mark, the director seems a little too worried about conveying a message (or teasing out?) that I personally find already rather obvious (and I suspect that Richard did too). Consolation for bereavement can come from the many reasons Richard suggested and especially _because_ we are aware of our own mortality. You can't be both "joyous" and/or reverent and not have an inkling of the nonpermenence of self or others. It comes with the territory. A package deal, so to say.
On a sidenote...This speaks _VOLUMES_ about the billions that still bereave in spite of believing they are eternal conscious souls. I sincerely believe that deep down, most of them know it's all malarkey.
If you ever find yourself describing hundreds of millions, or even billions, of people as all being disingenuous, simply because they hold views that you think are indefensible, you should realize that you've strayed into "arrogant, hubris-filled prick" territory. I mean this without anger, but only sympathy for you.
Anyone can point out the flaws in other people's logic. Fucking kids can do it, and everyone knows that kids are objectively awful.
Try breaking new ground and attack your OWN cherished assumptions, biases, and beliefs in a public forum. At the absolute least, stick with the interesting sort of thoughts you had in the 1st paragraph. Your personal judgment of religion wasn't necessary to communicate the important part: Knowledge of death is required to fear or celebrate it.
That has certain implications for ideas like original sin or "the curse" of mortality, but you make it hard for a religious person to discuss those things with you because you make it clear that your intentions are less than benign or respectful.
And not all religious people are argumentative, close-minded gasbags.
"but you make it hard for a religious person to discuss those things with you"
So you decided to dance around my point instead of actually addressing it?
"And not all religious people are argumentative, close-minded gasbags."
I never even remotely implied that they were. Are you in the habit of inventing demons whole cloth?
"Anyone can point out the flaws in other people's logic."
Except those unfamiliar with critical thought and reasoned logic. This pretty much removes kids from the roster, don't you think?
this is (roughly) what i had in mind to explain the director's antsiness:
dawkins: "quit your bitching; you're alive, dammit!"
*camera makes mysterious sound*
dawkins: "of course, i wouldn't say that to somebody who'd just lost a loved one..."
director: "ah, could we just make sure we got that last part?"
(by the way, is "cogita" the imperative form? if so, badass. if not, correct me!)
oh yeah, +1 on your sidenote, btw. dennett, as you are no doubt aware, describes this with his usual aplomb in a lecture right here on the tubes about "believing" in god. sam harris applies the same principle in reverse, if you will, when he urges us to take the suicide bombers' professions of belief seriously *based on their actions*.
This very video is my consolation.
I think one of the most appealing aspects of non-belief, is that, when you talk about science, it's a conversation. We exchange ideas and interpret concepts and its wonderful.
With theism you don't get these conversations, in fact, questions aren't usually welcome. You usually get one orator and an audience.
In life, atheism, for me, is a conversation. Whereas, religion has always seemed like group orientation.
Thank you Dawkins and Dennett
what is this "director" doing? messiing up dawkins conversation.....
It's Paul W.S. Anderson's newest project lol
What great conversations. Thank you.
I have to say (and am prepared to accept hate for it) that I partially disagree with Mr. Dawkins on the subject of being bored. It's easier to enjoy life when you have some degree of social, financial or educational privilege. Those people living in poverty with terminal ennui are not going to be thankful for or amazed at their own existence at any given moment of a day, whether they're responsible for their situation or not.
This is a psychologically disagreeable comment.
@@madeincda Very probably but it's the reality or a lot of peoples lives. It doesn't matter how enlightened you are, without money it's harder to enjoy life, generally speaking.
@@davidfos84 I actually agree with your comment, in general. Allow me to clarify, paraphrasing an age old adage.
There's no such thing as a perfect world. If one were to exist how could you possibly appreciate its perfection without any wrong to compare it to?
My point is, there exists people in the world who are completely content in their minimalist lifestyle, with or without the knowledge of the maxim "more is better". I believe, those are the people who live a fuller experience of life, without the distraction of realistically useless things. Lest we forget, life existed well before modern technology and reality television.
However, with the advances of modern medicine I can appreciate the sentiment and the longevity of life itself.
I could go on with many more comparitive examples but I imagine my point is clear.
thanks a lot for this!
why are those producers mouthing off at richard?
They lost the moment
"they had a chance"
that's pretty humble
feels right, we all have so many chances to do something great in life
there should be no regrets upon death, we had our whole life to build our legacy
Simply beautiful!, Daniel Dennett is a poet!
My promise to myself has always been to not leave negative-sounding messages to others on You Tube. I simply think that criticizing ignorant people gets you nowhere. On the other hand, I would like to put in a kind word for Dawkins and Dennett. In my opinion, Dawkins is the greatest teacher of biology in the world. Dennett is my favorite philosopher, and I am still catching up on everything he writes. His writings are thoroughly delightful and insightful. Darwin was the greatest of all times!
40:44 --> They look so nice, like old friends...and Dennett has a beautiful house!!
A fascinating conversation, and funny that they left in the bits where the crew asked them to repeat stuff.
"Hymns to the Universe"
Yes!
Please!
Thats right
I am not sure why Dennett calls it "Darwins Idea". Would we say that gravity is an idea? Would we call any natural phenomena an idea?
I get Dennett's point, but is there a better way to phase it?
Hey there me from 11 years ago!
Wow, Dr. Dawkins is amazing xD
He'll surely go down in history for all his work. I admire him so much! :)
...and he has nice, shiny hair. I just noticed that, probably because Dennett is bald. xD
It's so nice to see such a great interest in scientific thought here on TH-cam. :)
Not cutting in at all. This is an open discussion and you are more than welcome.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Two brilliant men.
Come on, RD does not have the resources of a TV network ! He has his organisation, with a few people, but I think he is doing an amazing job in bringing reason to the world. He has put up the UNCUT video for us all for free. It is a wonderful insight into how much work goes into the making of a program. Imagine what he could do with the resources given to Big Brother or some such similar McTV.
I adore and admire these two : )
that's because its the uncut interviews... this is how you record a discussion using just one camera. you record the sound separately and then you cut the film together so you don't get the transition from person to person. the upside to uncut interviews is you get the whole conversation and not just the main points in an edited DVD. I like it, it's almost as if you're there, just eavesdropping on an interesting conversation :)
great video.
Thank you for the subtitles!!! My DVD does not have this option.
The first time I saw him, I thought he looked like Santa Claus.
As nasty as the world is, the grandiose nature of existence and the complexity of life are so vast and wonderful that it really is quite a pleasure to be alive, and whether or not there was a first cause is really quite irrelevent in the context of the incredible nature of the universe.
Two people with a mind, and they actually USE IT. So unusual in these days.
Really tough at the end of the interview. Thanks for posting.
Another voice for reason gone… RIP.
Great talk, thanks for uploading these to TH-cam. Ideas should be free.
Good work, cameraman.
+bp56789 Are you being ironic? How else would you film it? You realise this is just the unedited version of the interview? If you dont have 2 cameras you have to move back and forth.
@@MeatballsInGravy or set it up further away
Yeeesssssss!!!! What a wonderful exposition by Dennett and Dawkins! I love them! After all, the word "soul" means "anima" (alma in Spanish) which means "breath" in Latin and, therefore, the name of all non human and human species as "animals": animated beings who walk, run, feel, eat, sleep and, in the special case of Homo sapiens, thinks (of course, not all of them...lol!). So what Dawkins and Dennett hold is that the "soul" is the product of brain activity...just wonderful the way these marvelous scientists/philosopher (in the case of Dennett) unveil aspects which to so many people remain a mystery.
I'm sad as an improbable animal.
fantastic conversation! it's so refreshing to see richard dawkins intellectually converse with someone on his own wavelength rather than be stuck dealing with the usual asinine drivel like stalin's atheism, or where do atheists get their morals or disproving the bible. THIS is a REAL conversation we can all learn from!
31:07 -- "yea....we suffer"
"I'm 19, and after watching this video, death is really starting to scare me."
I'm 19 myself and after watching this video, I actually don't fear death. All I fear about death is temporary pain...
Does anyone else really dislike the way this is shot?
I like the transparency of the filmmakers - leaving in all the in-between stuff. I like how casual this whole video is.
Yeah, don't thank your "sky daddy"
True
Utterly splendid listening to two of my hero’s, it’s should really have been a podcast because the filming is WOEFUL, so shut your eyes and enjoy it without the moronic visual distraction. Yes, I know it’s “unedited” , but editing wouldn’t have made any difference.
I did. 😊
Religion as the nurse crop of science. A beautiful metaphor.
Science as the nurse crop of Religion is equally a beautiful metaphor.
Denis Mailloux but Denis my dear friend, religion was here way before science.
Bjarne Søegaard
Bjarne my friend, I cannot agree more with you this time. And I would go so far as to say that science and religion are both one and the same, even if they bear different names.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (Genesis 1:1)
Denis Mailloux Not to be a stickler for detail, but I believe your quote is from John 1 and not Genesis :)
I stand corrected. I knew I could count on you to avoid making the same mistake. Maybe I should have called up a Protestant friend to proofread me before sending you my reply.
Listening to this discourse, and contemplating the fact that _all of us_ - has the inherent ability to participate in (or, rather - on) the excact same trains of thought, boggles the mind.
To quote Daniel; _‘Thank goodness!’_ . . . . . .
33:15 - if you watch only one part of this, listen to Dennett's comments here.
"I can make more reason for others to be thankful."
YES
This casual conversation between two persons of different- but complimentary - disciplines is nothing less than a confluence of intellectual forces (theirs and those that they draw upon) that, more than any video I have ever seen or any book I have ever read, has the power to change lives - and, for those lives which are not in need of change, to deepen and broaden their understanding of their singular and unique existence...and of Existence in general.
The end of the interview has two outtakes that are fantastic.
Technical reasons= the cameraman fucked up!
Thank you, Richard.
With all these series of interviews, with all their marvelous thoughts and ideas... I enjoy scanning over the offices and homes of these people. It is wonderful that Daniel Dennet uses a turntable, along with the old classic album cleaner on top. A cassette player can be seen. He also has a decent collection of CDs.
Evolution builds upon existing things, and even the process of stereo systems and musical appreciation was never smooth, but the common ancestry is unmistakable.
The point Dennet makes at 8:18 is so difficult for so many people to grasp. The fact that we are a product of nature and evolutionary processes, which means that anything that we produce is just as natural as ourselves. I have argued with people about this until Im blue in the face and they still dont get it.
Just two great quotes from this conversation: "Religion was a nurse crop to science". Dennett and Dawkins have sung true "Hymns to the Universe": What a great video.
Whose is that piano at 26:35? Can any of them play piano?
38:20 I think I saw smoke coming out of Richard's ears. Lol. Love you all. Cheers.
lol I love that they left the blooper towards the end
Everything is so great. But can we get two camera's please
FUCKING CAMERA MEN YOU ARE LUCKY TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF SUCH GREAT MINDS, LISTEN YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING.